Diane and Tex McIver

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Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm
Rich. And if there's one thing we've

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learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's that some days you'll feel like

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killing your wife, and some days
you'll feel like killing your husband. Welcome

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to love, Mary Kill, Hey
Tina, Oh, hey, Rich,

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how are you? It's sort of
a little perkier that I feel. I'm

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great. It sounds so perfect that
I felt like at the end of our

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intro I was a little flat.
So maybe you and I are different,

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perfect, excellent. How are you
today? I'm good? How are you

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good? I just got back from
a trip, a business trip to San

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Diego. How did you get there? I flew's must be tired. I'd

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never get tired of that. I
do too. Yeah, it's a good

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one though. Speaking of flying,
there's a little bird right outside our window,

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a cute little morning dove, just
looking in at us while we're recording,

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probably trying to listen. We should
open the window for them. Probably.

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Did your story today have anything to
do about birds? No, but

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there is morning involved. Oh well, you got someone died unfortunately, how

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unusual for us? I know,
I know. So how was your trip

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to Kelly? It was good?
I did a little true crime you did,

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Yeah, it was tell everyone what
you did. Well. I was

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right on the waterfront in San Diego, and I realized that the mansion where

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Rebecca's A Howe and Max Shacknai both
unfortunately died, was right across the water

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on Coronado Island. So I thought, you know, I should go see

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the mansion. So I took a
ferry over to the island and then I

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rented a bike and I rode to
the other side of the island and I

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took a picture of the mansion and
then it's really cool. Yeah, so

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it was a vacation. It wasn't
really a word you told me. It

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was mostly work, just a little
bit of true crime touring. But I

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think pretty soon all our vacations and
ships are going to be centered around true

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crime. Well yeah, which I
never would have thought that in a million

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years, But I think we're pretty
serious about going to see the Lizzie boarding

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house, right, Yeah, I
think we're going to do that in the

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fall. I need to figure that
out. So the mansion that I saw

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it was it looked completely different from
when the crime took place, which was

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I think did yeah, only like
twelve years ago, so somebody like remodeled

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it completely. But it's an amazing
place. It looked beautiful location, looked

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like a great location. Yeah,
that was cool. Did you get any

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weird vibes? No, you sent
me someone was a proposal from the beach.

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Yeah, I went down the beach
and there was a big Marymi sign

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and yeah, it was kind of
that would have been hard to miss.

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It looked to you that was very
cool too. Congret vigelations to the happy

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couple. Yeah. Yeah, Oh, we have a snack. We have

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a list a snack that our listeners
sent in. That was so sweet.

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I know our sweet listener friend Allison
sent us a box of chocolate. No

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doubt that this is going to be
an amazing treat and snack and we know

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we're gonna like it before we even
dive into it. But she sent us

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a box of Seas Chocolate from San
Francisco. I didn't know they were based

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in San Francisco. I didn't either. I've heard of them, but I

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don't know if I've ever had Seas
Chocolate. I don't definitely have. Have

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I not shared it with you?
Probably wouldn't, wouldn't surprise me. No,

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Well, I don't. I'm surprised
even sharing this. I well,

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I didn't want to. Uh,
usually you can just sniff out chocolate.

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Yeah, I have a I have
a six sixth cents for chocolate. Yeah,

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you really do. What is in
the house right now other than this

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lovely box of season, Well,
there's some take five bars, and there's

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some chocolate covered almonds, and there
are some Sanders caramel. I am gonna

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we're gonna taste those some day on
a future episodes. Those are yeah,

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that's those are amazing. But well, those are things. So our daughter

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and I bought the almonds to hide
from you and to take five bars.

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I was hiding from you for I
know I shouldn't be making our son's lunch

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when he goes to work, but
I make him a lot. Well,

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you're still his mom though, he's
still his mom and he's still my baby.

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And if I didn't make his lunch, he would just would literally he

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would be either starve or he would
just like grab granola, barn and apple

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for and he's gone like twelve hours. So anyway, do you want to

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take a break and taste this lovely
chocolate? Yeah, we'll be right back.

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So what did you think of the
Sea's chocolate? Well, there's nothing

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not to like about it. I
mean it's amazing and I think it's all

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dark, darker chocolate, which it's
delicious. I wanted to try more,

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he ate like ten pieces. I
tried two pieces. I should explain myself

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to the reason I hide things from
you is because, well, do you

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want to tell everyone because I have
no self control? Well, you do

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when it comes to chocolate. And
I'm not a dainty person, but I

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can eat one piece of chocolate a
day and I'm good where you are more

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prone to. And if you ever
ask, if you ever say do you

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have any chocolate? I usually give
you some? Right, Yeah, Okay,

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so we're not completely dysfunctional. But
anyway, thank you Allison. That

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was a lovely surprise. Delicious.
So yeah, Ce's chocolate see apostrophe s.

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I think they've been a lot around
for one hundred years or so.

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But good stuff and it makes a
great gift, a fabulous gift. No

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one wouldn't want to receive that.
I'm looking forward eating the rest of it.

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I don't know if anyone can hear
it, but our neighbors are mowing their

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law and which I like where we
live. But on the weekends you can

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almost always hear someone mowing their lawn
for like the whole day. It's actually

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not our neighbors, it's it's our
lawn mowing people. So they may be

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mowing our lawns and they're mowing like
the common area right now, but I

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wouldn't be surprised if they come over
here. Yeah, we apologize, yea,

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All right, what are you going
to tell us about today? Well,

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today's story is about Diane McIver,
who died in twenty sixteen at the

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age of sixty three McIver mc iver, m I v R. There isn't

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any mystery about how Diane died.
She was shot and killed by a gun

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held by her seventy three year old
husband Texts as she sat in the front

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seat of their car. The only
question is whether Techs pulled the trigger intentionally

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to kill Diane or whether it was
just a tragic accident. And this story

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was recommended to us by one of
our listeners, Susie, So thank you

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for the recommendation. We always appreciate
that. Can I ask you a question?

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How are you? How are you
getting things done? Like? How

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do you do it? You're working, you're traveling, You're an amazing father

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and husband. I don't, I
don't know. I'm just I'm just that

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amazing. Seriously, I'm not even
I'm not even yanking your chain. I'm

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just impressed all things. It's nice
of you to see. We do a

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lot of things too. But you're
just a thing. I know. But

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you're holding down a you know,
a full time executive type job, So

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I don't. It's just we appreciate. I actually enjoy doing the podcasting stuff,

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so I find time to do it. But so your work is so

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you're slacking at work? Maybe yeah, a little carry on? All right,

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Well, let me start by reading
Diane's obituary, as I think it

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does a nice job of painting a
picture of who Diane was. Diane McIver,

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a brilliant and inspiring force of nature, died on September twenty six,

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twenty sixteen. She has survived by
her beloved husband and life partner, C.

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L. Texmagiver, Oh Okay,
with whom she shared sixteen happy years

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in Atlanta at their Putnam County cattle
ranch and on the golf courses of Reynolds

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Lake, Okaney. When not at
work, they were always at each other's

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side. She epitomized love and loyalty
and action and lived a life out loud.

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As such, she became an accomplished
businesswoman in her almost forty three's.

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Forty three years of working for Billy
Corey at his US Enterprises Incorporated. She

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loved the challenge of taking mister Corey's
ideas and transforming them into thriving and profitable

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businesses, employing many. Her love
and generosity for family and friends was unconditional

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and without limits. Because she was
the sole survivor of her immediate Auburn,

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Alabama family, her surrogate family was
huge, including friends across the globe and

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especially children. That family also included
the Auburn University football program, where she

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was their greatest fan. One of
her many god children was ten year old

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Austin schwal of Atlanta, who called
her mommy die and whose wish was her

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command. With encouragement from her,
he became a straight A student and all

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star athlete. She regularly demonstrated her
role in his life as ardent fan tutor,

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disciplinarian, and pushover. He loved
her for it. She was a

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health and fashion maven, with a
hat collection which is legendary. She inspired

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those around her by example, always
insisting there was more weight to be lost

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and new ways to look good when
in public. She is best remembered for

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refusing to complain, as she would
regularly say, it is a waste of

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time. She clearly was too blessed
and too busy to gripe about the day's

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aggravations. And there's more to the
obituary, but I left out a little

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bit. But she sounds to me
like someone who was like super vibrant,

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had a lot of energy, and
really kind of commanded people's attention. Yeah,

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she sounds like a great lady who
didn't deserve to die. Yeah.

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As mentioned, she was known for
her fancy hats and for dressing fashionably,

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even on the golf course. After
she died, there was an estate sale

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to auction off her wardrobe. That
sale included more than two thousand items,

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including several Chanel handbags and shoes,
one hundred and twenty one fur coats,

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hundreds of scarves, and more than
five hundred pieces of Italian and French costume,

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jewelry. Wow. Yeah, people
noticed her. She was outspoken,

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sometimes through the point of bluntness.
There was kind of a bit of an

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allusion to this in the obituary,
but friends say that she didn't have much

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of a filter. She might comment
about a friend's weight gain, but then

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she would follow up by offering encouragement
and support. M yeah, that's sure

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how I feel about that. I
know, if you've gained weight, you

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know you do not need your friend
to tell you. Diane grew up in

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Alabama in a modest, middle class
family. I wasn't able to find much

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information about her family life other than
that she was highly independent. She moved

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out when she was eighteen, and
she was estranged from most of her family,

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not speaking with her mother for the
last fifteen years of her mother's life,

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not even attending her funeral. She
was driven. She woke up at

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five most mornings for a workout,
and also kept a set of weights in

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her office to work out there when
she had a chance. She started out

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at US Enterprises answering phones at about
twenty three years old, worked her way

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up to be president of a division
of the company. She was known to

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be tough at work, but she
was also incredibly generous. She never forgot

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a friend's birthday, and she sometimes
took her friends on expensive trips, footing

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the bill on her own. Diane
was married once before she met Tex.

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She had no children of her own, but was godmother to ten kids to

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whom she provided financial and personal support, including Austin schwal who was mentioned in

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the obituary. She was almost like
another parent to Austin. Claude mc iver

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the third, better known as Tex, grew up in Texas. For the

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last forty plus years, he had
lived in Atlanta, practicing labor and employment

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law as a partner at Fisher Phillips
LLLC, one of the country's largest law

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firms focused on labor, employment,
civil rights, employee benefits, and immigration

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law. Tex was known as a
good producer and he managed a team of

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a dozen or so lawyers. Tex
lived in the Buckhead area of Atlanta,

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which is an area known for its
upscale shopping and art galleries. But Texa's

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heart was really ninety miles away on
his ranch in Putnam County. This was

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an eighty plus acre property that Tex
owned that he just referred to as the

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ranch. It was valued at about
two point two million dollars a few years

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ago. There he had a beautiful
two story, three bedroom custom home with

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a wine cellar. There were guest
houses, a private lake, a swimming

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pool, a horse riding ring,
wooded areas, rolling pastures. That sounds

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like a lot for two million dollars. It does sound like a lot.

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Yeah. He loved spending his weekends
there, as you could well imagine.

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In addition to his work life at
the law firm, Tex was very active

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politically. He was a staunch conservative
who supported many Republicans in Georgia. When

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the balance of power in Georgia shifted
toward the Republican Party in the two thousands,

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Tex was rewarded by being appointed to
the State Selection Board, where he

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served for twelve years until twenty sixteen. In two thousand and five, Governor

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Sonny Perdue appointed him to the Judicial
Nominating Commission, which basically vets and recommends

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judges for vacant seats. Tex and
Dianne met in two thousand. Diane had

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recently divorced, divorced and moved to
a swanky condo in Buckhead which was the

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same It was swanky, the same
one where Tex lived. Not long after

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she moved in, Tex slipped a
note under her door welcome her to the

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building. Texts had been through a
painful and contentious divorce himself about three years

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earlier. It was the end of
a thirty year marriage. It cost him

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a lot of money and alimony and
left him estranged from two of his three

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adult children. So they both are
pretty wealthy. Yeah, they were both

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very successful. So Texts hadn't really
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but he was very interested in Diane. Diane, however, wasn't interested

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at first in Texts. Her first
marriage had been a mistake and she wasn't

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in any hurry to jump back into
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join Texts for dinner in his apartment. The two began dating, and they

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quickly became inseparable. Rachel Styles,
who worked as an assistant to Diane,

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said he was the perfect match for
Diane. Diane was a very strong woman.

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She intimidated a lot of men.
They just didn't want to compete with

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her. But Texts didn't want to
compete with her. He was just infatuated

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with her. After dating for a
while, Tex sublet his condo and rented

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the unit right next to Diane,
and they eventually tore down the wall between

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the two units to create a supersized
unit that they shared. The couple finally

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decided to get married after about five
years of dating. Techs bought Diane a

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sixty thousand dollar engagement ring almost as
nice as the one that I bought you.

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I wouldn't tage mind for anything now, and they tied the knot at

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the Ranch in two thousand and five. With Texas political connections and Diane's wealth

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and successful business career, the two
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frequent parties at the Ranch that included
many of Atlanta's rich and powerful people.

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Diane was the life of the party. She was the boss who took charge

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of everything, while tex was more
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No one ever saw him and Diane
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the perfect couple. Most of their
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loved it there as much as Tex. They would spend their time golfing or

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just relaxing at the lake. The
day that Dianne was shot and killed was

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a Sunday like many others. September
twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, Tex and

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Diane were at the ranch along with
Diane's longtime friend Danny Joe Carter. That

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morning, Tex woke up and made
sausage biscuits for the ladies, and then

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Tex and Diane spent the afternoon on
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ninety three degrees that day, while
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horseback riding. After golfing, Tex
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pick up Danny, and the three
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Ford expedition. A little past the
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they stopped for dinner at a Longhorn
steakhouse in Kanyer's, Georgia. Tex

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and Diane both had a little wine
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back on the road, Danny,
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Diane sat in the front passenger seat, while Tech sat behind her in

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the back seat. At some point, Tex, who was seventy three and

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had been out in the sun golfing
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two of wine, at dinner,
fell asleep in the back seat. About

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seven miles or so from Buckhead,
they hit some really bad traffic, a

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virtual parking lot, as Danny would
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it would make sense to get off
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get back home. They exited onto
Edgewood Avenue and Diane said, Tex,

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wake up and look at ways.
Texts. Woke up at that point,

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and, seeing that they were off
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apparently considered a little Dicey said,
I think this is a bad idea,

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ladies. It's a dangerous area,
and then he asked Diane to hand him

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his gun. Diane said it was
a small revolver, a Smith and Wesson

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thirty eight caliber revolver. Diane said, text, I don't even know where

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your gun is. He told her
it was in the center console. He

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kept the revolver there, wrapped up
in a grocery bags one does. Of

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course. Apparently he had heard that
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thieves were just looking to steal guns, and so he kept it wrapped in

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the grocery bag, hoping to fool
it. I know you would never know,

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right, So Dane handed him the
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Tech says that he put the gun
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Danny continued driving for another five to
ten minutes while she and Diane kept

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chatting. Danny stopped at a red
light and suddenly she hears boom. Her

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first instinct was that another car hit
hit theirs, but as she turned,

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she saw Tech put the gun down
and he said something about having fallen asleep

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and asking if everyone was okay.
Danny Joe said yes, but Danne said

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I've been shot. At first,
Danny thought Diane was joking, but then

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she turned to see that she was
breathing funny, and she seemed to pass

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out. The bullet had gone directly
through the back seat, passing right through

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Diane's body. Text leaned forward from
the back seat and cradled Diane's head,

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saying, either Darling, Darling,
or possibly Diane Diane. Danny's instinct was

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to drive to Piedmont Hospital, but
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Text told her instead to drive to
Emory University Hospital on the Emory campus,

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which turned out to not be a
great choice. Here's what Danny Joe said

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to the police that night, I'll
thinkable where you collegers. So, as

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it turns out, Piedmont Hospital was
actually much closer, and in fact,

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there were three hospitals that were closer
than the one on Emory's campus, including

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Grady Hospital, which operated one of
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Was that well known though, you
know, I've seen quotes from people in

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Atlanta that said, oh, everybody
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well known for that. But then
I've seen other quotes that says, well,

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Grady Hospital isn't in a great neighborhood, and so if you were someone

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who was, you know, fairly
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oh, I wouldn't want to go
to Grady. It's kind of in a

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bad area. So hard to say, I don't know what hospital near us

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is best with gunshot wounds, yeah
exactly. Text later said that he knew

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Emery because they were a client of
his firm, and that was just the

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thing that came to mind first,
which makes sense. As Danny Joe drove

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to Emory, Texts told her to
be careful because there might be people walking

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with baby carriages, which seems like
a really odd comment to make. Oh,

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it really does. Yeah, when
it's a it's ten o'clock at night,

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be your wife has just been shot
and is possibly dying in the front

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seat. Yeah, it makes no
sense. You said they had drinks at

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dinner. How do you know how
many? I'm not sure. I don't

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think it was a lot. I
think they had a bottle of wine,

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and I read somewhere I think that
maybe Diane had two glasses and techs had

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one or two, so they didn't
finish the bottle of wine. Okay,

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gotcha. In any case, despite
text saying to slow down and watch out

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for baby carriages, Danny Joe says
that she didn't slow down. Poor Danny

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Joe having to take the wheel with
her friend probably bleeding out next to her,

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and crazy text in the backseat given
her bad advice. Yeah, for

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sure. So they got to Emory
University Hospital just after ten pm. From

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the hospital's security camp footage, we
can see workers wheeling Diane in in a

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wheelchair from the car into the ear
with texts alongside. Doctor Suzanne Hardy treated

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Diane that night. She says that
Diane's blood pressure barely even registered. When

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she got there. They put Diane
on her ivy and then she spoke to

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doctor Hardy, saying her husband had
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that the shooting was an accident.
So she was able to speak. That's

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crazy, yeah, she did.
As Hardy prepared to intubate Diane before taking

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her to the OAR, she asked, would you like to see her husband?

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And Diane answered no. Shortly after
she was intubated, Diane went into

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car each arrest. They were able
to start her heart again and took her

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into the r but Dane's internal injuries
were too grave. The bullet had gone

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through her diaphragm, severed of Vane
and artery andrew spleen, also hitting her

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kidney and her stomach. Oh boy, she was pronounced dad on the operating

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table at twelve forty nine am.
So how much time elapsed between the time

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that she was shot in the time
that they arrived at the hospital. That's

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a great question. I don't know
exactly, but maybe like ten minutes.

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Oh, it wasn't long, I
don't think. Meanwhile, as Danny,

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Joe, Carter, and Tex sat
in the waiting room, Tex said to

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her quote, I don't trust these
guys, Danny Joe. I hate to

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get I hate to see you get
wrapped up in this. I've seen how

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these things can go down. You
just need to say you came out here

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as a friend of the family,
Carter said. She responded Text, I

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just drove you into the emergency room. Text apparently then said to her,

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well, they don't know that.
Danny Joe was bonded by saying I can't

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lie, and Tech said, oh, I'm not asking you to do that.

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I'm not sure then what he was
asking her to do. Here's a

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short clip of Danny Joe telling the
police about this particular conversation that night.

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Are you trying to get me allowed? Supposedly to protect me from getting all

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wrapped up at this? So,
yeah, it seems very strange. Later,

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Texas lawyer was talking about well,
Texts just didn't want there was a

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media firestorm, and there was like, well there wasn't yet, there was

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nothing. You know, the media
didn't even know about this yet. So

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well, Text is an attorney,
so maybe he's just super careful. Yeah,

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exactly, And along those same lines, while they were in the waiting

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room, Text made a call on
his cell phone to a criminal lawyer.

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Danny Joe heard text say I know
this doesn't look good, and shortly after

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that call, his criminal attorney came
to join them in the waiting room.

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I know again, your wife is
in the operating room fighting for her life,

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and the first thing you think is
you're going to call your criminal attorney.

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The er nurse, a woman named
Terry Sullivan, said that she saw

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Maples, his attorney, huddled with
Tex and Danny Joe in the waiting room

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and she overheard the attorney say,
this is what you're going to tell them.

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She didn't hear any more of the
conversation, but it struck her as

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a little bit odd, I'll say. So, it seems like right away,

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you know, even before Diane was
pronounced Dad, Tex was thinking about

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the legal trouble he might be in
and getting it ahead of it. And

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again, you know, he's a
lawyer, So maybe that's just if you're

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a lawyer, you jump to that
earlier than other people. But it just

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seems very strange. Well, what
would his motive be to shoot his wife

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in the backseat of a car with
a friend there. We will talk about

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that. In fact, I think
that's you know, the central question of

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this whole case is there's no question
about how and died, right she was

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shot in the back by her husband. But it's really a question of whether

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this was just an accident or whether
Texts had some reason and took the opportunity

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to kill Diane. So I think
to get into that, there are three

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things we need to look at.
Okay, First is Texas history with guns?

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Is he experienced? Does he have
a history of being careless? How

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easy or difficult would it be for
the gun to go off accidentally? Second,

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as you mentioned, did he have
motive to kill Diane? Everyone said

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they were the perfect couple, so
why would he want Diane out of the

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way? And third, we need
to look at Texas behavior. We've already

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talked about a couple of things that
he did that seem a little bit odd,

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but we should look at everything that
he did, you know, the

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night that Diane was shot, but
also in the days after. So let's

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start with the guns. Tex was
no stranger to guns. In fact,

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he had a lot of guns at
the ranch. At the ranch alone,

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he had at least thirty five guns, including rifles, handguns, and an

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aar fifteen, and at his condo
in Buckhead he had at least four pistols

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and one rifle. Tex was in
the military in his younger days, so

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we can assume that he had some
formal training on using firearms and that he

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knew how they worked. There are
a couple of past incidents that I think

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are relevant. First, some twenty
five years before he shot Diane, in

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nineteen ninety, Tex was charged with
firing a gun at a car that had

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three teenagers in it. There isn't
a lot of information available about this particular

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incident, but apparently Tex arrived home
and he saw a Ford Mustang sitting in

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his cul de sac. Apparently there
had been some burglaries recently, and Tex

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thought the car looked suspicious for some
reason, and so he went into the

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house and he got his gun.
He came back out and fired two shots

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into the air, and then he
fired two shots at the car. I

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know, I just don't understand that
thinking at all. I really don't either.

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It's a car, No what's going
on here? But I'm gonna shoot

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at it? Yeah, I mean, he's lucky and the teenagers were lucky

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that none of the bullets hit the
kids one of the One of the shots

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actually hit the gas tank of the
car, but the teens drove off as

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he started shooting, and they escaped
uninjured. Does Texts have children? I

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don't think you said yes. He
I did mention that. I think he

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had three children, two of them
he was estranged from after his divorce.

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I'm not sure why exactly, but
yeah, I don't think he had a

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relationship with at least two of them. So Texts at first denied firing his

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weapon in this incident, saying that
he just chased the teens away on foot,

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but he was indicted for aggravated assault, criminal damage to property, and

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possession of a firearm during commission of
a crime. Texas attorney claimed it was

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self defense and that Texts had been
fearful for his safety. Before the case

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went to trial, the three teens
decided not to press charges, and X

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paid restitution of close to three thousand
dollars. That's it. Yeah, it

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seems like a seems like a bar
guy. That's ridiculous. Yeah. The

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other incident that I want to share
regarding Techs and his history with firearms is

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more recent. It happened four or
five years before Diane was killed. A

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neighbor from across the hall was over
visiting with tex and Diane. Their godson

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Austin was also over. He was
six or seven at the time. The

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neighbor was telling them about how she
saw a big old buzzard on her balcony,

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and while they were hanging out,
sure enough, the same buzzard landed

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on Techs and Diane's balcony. Tech
said, well, we can scare him,

407
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:42.559
and he went and got his pistol, which he proceeded to fire at

408
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:48.359
the buzzard through the screen door.
He missed the buzzard. That is a

409
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.000
flashback from my child When I read
that, I thought of your childhood.

410
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:57.640
He look, I should probably tell
me growing up, I was pretty young.

411
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:03.839
My dad is an avid hunter,
and he had a lot of guns,

412
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:07.480
and we lived in the country and
we had like a nice it was

413
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.279
a lovely backyard, a pond and
a river, and we had a lot

414
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.480
of deer running through the backyard.
And one morning we were eating breakfast and

415
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:18.599
my dad grabbed a rifle and didn't
shoot through the window, but he did

416
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.039
shoot through the screen door at the
deer, and I believe he missed.

417
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:27.119
If I recall I can't even imagine. I mean, you've fount my dad.

418
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.759
Well, yeah, knowing your dad, I can't imagine. So the

419
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:37.319
buzzard flew off, he missed it
while Austin, Diane, and the neighbor

420
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.440
all all laughed. The gun that
Tex was holding that ended up killing Diane

421
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.039
was, as I mentioned, a
Smith and Wesson thirty eight caliber revolver.

422
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.880
There are two possible ways to fire
this gun, what is referred to as

423
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:56.200
single action or double action. Single
action is when the person holding the gun

424
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.200
pulls the hammerback first, which rotates
the cylinder and puts a new round into

425
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:04.160
the into the chamber. Once you've
done that, it doesn't take much pressure

426
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.240
on the trigger to fire the gun, only about two pounds of pressure.

427
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:14.279
A responsible gun owner would not cock
the hammer unless they were serious about using

428
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.359
the gun and wanted to be absolutely
ready. Okay, Can I just say,

429
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.279
is it possible that he was like
wearing a bad neighborhood and maybe I

430
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.119
need to be ready? I think
that's what he would say. Yeah,

431
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.799
that's what he wants me to believe, right. How bad was the neighborhood?

432
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.880
I don't think it was that bad
from what I read it was like,

433
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.640
well, maybe twenty years ago it
might have been kind of bad,

434
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.680
but you know, not really that
bad today. What kind of car were

435
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.279
they driving? A Ford Expedition.
Okay, And normally people, even in

436
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.000
bad neighborhoods, don't randomly shoot at
vehicles, right, So this particular gun

437
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:53.200
could also work as a double action
gun. Double action means that you just

438
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.880
pull the trigger without cocking the hammer. When you're using double action, pulling

439
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.440
the trigger does everything else for you. It automatically pulls the hammer back,

440
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:07.160
it rotates the cylinder and fires.
But when you're using double action, it

441
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.799
takes a lot more pressure to pull
the trigger. That's a safety measure.

442
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.640
It takes about twelve pounds of pressure
compared to about two pounds with single action.

443
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.279
So if you're going to fire the
gun, you have to really mean

444
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.480
it. I stuck my finger on
our kitchen scale and try to apply twelve

445
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:28.119
pounds. It's not easy. I
mean, that's that's all like two pounds

446
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.079
of pressure. How how sensitive a
touch is that that's not hard to do.

447
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.519
I mean you could you could definitely
see it going off accidentally with two

448
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.119
pounds of pressure by just bumping it
or something like that. But again,

449
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:45.960
if you're a responsible gun owner,
there's no there's no reason you would,

450
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.200
you know, cock the gun and
have it ready to go. And Text

451
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.079
was he was like dozing in the
backseat as well, so he shouldn't have

452
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:59.359
you been ready to fire the gun. Was he really dozing or was he

453
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.359
playing possum? And that's a good
question. We really only have his word

454
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.759
for that. After the shooting,
Text was unable to say whether the gun

455
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.960
was in single action or double action. If it was in single action,

456
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.720
meaning he pulled back the hammer in
order to be ready to shoot, that

457
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:21.640
would be really incredibly irresponsible. If
it was in double action, there's really

458
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.079
no way that I can see that
he pulled the trigger on accident, and

459
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.319
there's no way of knowing. There's
no way to know. Oh frustrating.

460
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.359
Do you think the gun was in
double or single action? I think it

461
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.079
was probably in single action. I
think he probably pulled back the hammer on

462
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.720
the gun. Whether he did that
because he thought they were in danger and

463
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.000
he needed to be ready, or
whether he did that because he was intentionally

464
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.079
trying to kill her, I think
that's the only thing that really makes sense.

465
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.359
So the second thing to look at
is motive. As we mentioned upfront,

466
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.759
did Tex have a motive to kill
Diane? And the only motive that

467
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.559
really makes sense here is money.
So when Tex and Diane got married,

468
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.960
they decided to keep their finances completely
separate. Both of them had money,

469
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.280
and both of them had been through
divorces, so it just made sense to

470
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:16.440
keep everything separate. However, their
finances definitely ended up getting entangled. Diane

471
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:21.039
wanted to build a fancy guest house
on the ranch. Text was sort of

472
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.719
about the idea and he said,
well, if Dianne, if you want

473
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.000
to build it, then you should
pay for it, and she was fine

474
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.239
with that. The guest house sort
of turned into the party house on the

475
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:36.599
ranch and they ended up calling it
the Saloon. Shortly after Dane's death,

476
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:40.000
it came out that Diane had loaned
Techs three hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

477
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:45.559
which was supposed to be paid back
with interest but wasn't. The loan would

478
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:51.000
have theoretically given Diane the ability to
foreclose on the ranch and take ownership of

479
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.199
it, but she never did that. Tech said that the money was Diane's

480
00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:00.719
contribution to the guest house, and
that for tax purposes, Dianne wanted it

481
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.400
to look like a loan, but
never intended it to be paid back.

482
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.440
But there was like paperwork, and
they did this formally. It wasn't just

483
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.920
like she wrote him a check and
you know, said pay me back at

484
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.840
some point. Interesting. There was
also evidence that tex was having financial problems

485
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.400
and was living way beyond his means. For the first seven years of Tex

486
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.400
and Dianne's marriage, Texas income at
the law firm averaged five hundred and seventy

487
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.159
thousand dollars a year. In twenty
thirteen, his income dropped to four hundred

488
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.199
and thirty six thousand, and then
in twenty fourteen it dropped again to three

489
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.840
hundred and fifty thousand, which would
be plenty of money to live off of.

490
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.159
Yeah, but if you've got you
know, a big, big old

491
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:44.480
ranch to maintain, and you know, the light that the level that they

492
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:47.559
were living at I think was you
know, pretty pretty pretty high. He's

493
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:52.079
in his seventies, so I would
I would assume he was probably slowing down.

494
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.800
Yes, he was planning to retire
at some point fairly soon. The

495
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.280
year that Diane died in twenty sixteen's
income was only two hundred and seventy five

496
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:07.880
thousand dollars. So he had actually
been demoted from being an equity partner in

497
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.519
the firm to being what was called
an income partner in twenty fourteen, and

498
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.079
that meant that he no longer got
a percentage of the firm's profits. I

499
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.119
don't really know why he was demoted. I'm not sure what the reason behind

500
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:23.000
that was. But when they did
the analysis of his finances, his regular

501
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:28.800
salary was less than half of what
would be needed just for basic upkeep on

502
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:34.360
the ranch. For the first nine
months of twenty sixteen, he spent sixty

503
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.840
three thousand dollars more than he brought
in, and from twenty thirteen to twenty

504
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.480
sixteen, that deficit was estimated to
be more than two hundred and forty five

505
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:47.639
thousand dollars. In June of twenty
sixteen, Texts sent an email to Diane

506
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:52.639
about his financial troubles. He wrote, quote, I am seriously trying to

507
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:58.199
reduce my monthly expenses. Debt is
my biggest obstacle right now. Plan on

508
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.000
hitting the lotto sometime this week.
Diane replied with a joke about him getting

509
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:07.119
a job as a caretaker at the
ranch, and then Tex replied back to

510
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.719
that with a joke about going back
to being a jiggilo. Texa's net worth

511
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.719
at the time of Diane's death was
about one point seven million dollars, which

512
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.280
may seem like a lot, but
it really isn't, especially given the lifestyle

513
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:24.679
that he was living. His income
just couldn't support it. With Diane's death,

514
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:30.320
tex stood to inherit between three point
six million and four point six million

515
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.960
dollars from her. Diane's will,
which had been filed in two thousand and

516
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.920
six shortly after the couple married and
ten years before her death, left pretty

517
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:44.599
much everything to Texts, but five
years later, Diane apparently wanted to make

518
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.079
changes in order to leave much of
her estate to her godson, Austin Schwal.

519
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.400
Diane and text went back and forth
about the new will, but it's

520
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:57.719
unclear if it was ever completed.
We know that as of twenty fourteen,

521
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.440
at least the couple was still talking
about it. In October of that year,

522
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.360
Texts emailed Diane saying this would be
such a good week to complete our

523
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.599
wills, and she replied, I
agree, Let's get it done. Diane

524
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:15.760
told at least five people, including
Anne Schwal Austin's mother that she was leaving

525
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.199
her share of the ranch and pretty
much everything else she had to Austin.

526
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.519
In twenty fifteen, Diane asked her
assistant Rachel, to make copies of some

527
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:28.880
papers that she said were confidential.
Rachel didn't look at the papers, but

528
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.039
she said that when she gave them
back to Diane, she told her that

529
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:36.239
this was her new will. Unfortunately, though her new will has never been

530
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:42.039
found and so it's unclear what happened
to it. So that's motive. Let's

531
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.800
move on to the third thing,
and that's Texas behavior. First, leading

532
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.920
up to Diane's death, was there
any sign of tension or discord in the

533
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.239
marriage? And the answer to that
from everything I've read is no, we

534
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:58.719
don't know of any affairs. They
never fought in public. At least.

535
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.039
The only thing might be texts money
troubles that might have caused stress. But

536
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.199
just based on the emails I read
earlier, it seems like they were kind

537
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.639
of joking about it. But the
day of Diane's death and after, text

538
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:15.239
definitely did some things that raised eyebrows. First, as we talked about already

539
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.280
directing Danny to Emory University Hospital,
when there were three other hospitals that were

540
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:24.599
closer, and especially the one that
you know specialized in dealing with life threatening

541
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:29.800
trauma. Also telling Danny to slow
down because he worried that there were people

542
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:34.960
walking with baby carriages at ten pm. Both of those things could be completely

543
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.599
innocent, you know, poor judgment
in an emergency, but it could also

544
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:45.719
be read as he was trying to
delay getting Diane to the hospital. Next,

545
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.199
when they were in the waiting room, he asked Danny Joe to lie

546
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.119
about being there, which was very
odd, and then calling the criminal defense

547
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:59.440
attorney as we've talked about as well. So just some strange things. So

548
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.440
Danny is obviously a key witness in
this whole thing because she was there at

549
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.519
the shooting and at first she thought
that this was an accident. Here's what

550
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:13.679
she said to detectives on the night
of the shooting. Is a doubt it

551
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:20.599
was true quickly one of the trouble
accidents. The audio is a little muffled

552
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.519
if you couldn't pick up on that. What she said was there is not

553
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:28.320
a doubt in my mind that it
was completely one of the most horrible accidents.

554
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.719
But four months later she seemed to
change her mind, she felt like

555
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:37.119
Tex was trying to manipulate her.
A few days after the shooting, Tex

556
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.679
set up a meeting with two reporters
and arranged for Danny Joe to show up

557
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:45.639
and make a public statement in support
of Text, saying that the shooting was

558
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:50.199
an accident. But Danny Joe apparently
had misgivings and she didn't show up to

559
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.760
the meeting and she stopped taking Texas
calls. Text left this voicemail for Danny's

560
00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:16.000
husband, Sir, just plain dam
absolutely please please. So yeah, maybe

561
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:22.440
a little bit muffled, but basically
he was saying to Danny's husband that Danny

562
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.360
is going to send me to prison
because you know, she's not supporting me.

563
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.719
Her husband's supposed to do about it, I know. And then and

564
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.360
then also asking him to delete the
voicemail. I thought was interesting to be

565
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.719
very text thing to do, isn't
it. Yeah yeah, which obviously Danny's

566
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.599
husband did not delete the voicemail.
Less than two days after Dan died,

567
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.960
two of her colleagues went to see
Texts to offer their condolences. Both said

568
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:51.599
that Text was asking them about whether
he could start collecting her social Security checks

569
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.880
and also complaining about his salary being
cut and how expensive it was to maintain

570
00:41:54.920 --> 00:42:00.519
the ranch. As the one colleague
said quote, I expect did at that

571
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.519
point in time he would tell me
how sorry he was and how it was

572
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:07.039
a terrible tragic accident, and say
how much he loved Diane. But I

573
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:12.119
never heard that. Also, just
two months after Diane's death, Text held

574
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.800
multiple auctions to sell off all of
her expensive clothes, jewelry, hats,

575
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.719
and accessories. Do you know how
much he received from the auction. I

576
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.039
don't know that, but I'm sure
it was significant. I mean, I've

577
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:29.199
seen pictures of like the auction.
It's like it's like you're at like Nordstrum's

578
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.000
or you know, a department store. There's just so much stuff. It's

579
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:37.599
Nordstrum. Not sorry, sorry about
that Nordstrum. When they did the auctions,

580
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.840
they were even advertised as being Diane's
stuff, Like the case was obviously

581
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.639
in the news a lot at that
time, and so to attract more buyers,

582
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.000
they actually advertised it as you know, Dianne Mciver's things. That is

583
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.639
nuts to me that she had I
think you said one hundred and thirty two

584
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.880
for you know, I know,
I mean, there's only three hundred and

585
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.920
sixty five days a year. So
what I said to myself the last time

586
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.440
we were moving and I had like, I'm not going to say the number

587
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.320
of shoes that I had. I
was like, there's only you know,

588
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.079
it's just ridiculous, it is.
It is so text took a lot of

589
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.079
criticism about this auction and the fact
that it was so soon after her death.

590
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:20.280
According to him, Diane had left
money to a number of friends and

591
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.039
colleagues in her will, and so
as the executor of her estate, he

592
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:29.320
had to sell her stuff in order
to pay them. But again it didn't

593
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:34.360
look great. Diane's body was cremated, but it took Texts forty two days

594
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.800
to pick up her ashes from the
crematorium, and after he did pick them

595
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.440
up, he tucked them into the
back of a closet in the cardboard box

596
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:45.119
that they came in. He probably
had other things on his mind, but

597
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:51.079
friends of Diane's were pretty appalled when
they heard about this. Lastly, Texa's

598
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.360
story changed regarding the shooting. First, he said they had hit a bump

599
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:58.719
in the road and that caused him
to pull the trigger. Later, he

600
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.000
said he had been asleep and was
jolted awake and that's when the gun went

601
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.519
off. According to Danny Joe,
though, there was no bump and the

602
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.920
gun went off when the car was
sitting still at a traffic light. So

603
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:15.800
we've gone over guns in Texas history, with guns, possible motive, his

604
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:21.519
behavior around the time of the shooting
and afterwards. So what do you think

605
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.159
at this point? Well, I
just have one question really quick. Is

606
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:30.440
there any traffic camera footage? Not
that I've seen though, Okay, I

607
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:36.360
mean, I don't think I have
enough evidence to convict him. It seems

608
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.320
like it could be an accident in
my opinion. Yeah, I think that's

609
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:44.320
a fair fair opinion for sure.
Do we not have a resolution? Okay,

610
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:45.599
we're gonna get into it. I
just wanted to get your opinion before

611
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:51.440
I kind of jove into it.
Kind of the same. I think that

612
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.800
the reason being is I don't know
why he would shoot her in the car

613
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.599
in front of a friend. Yeah, that seems really to me a little

614
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.920
bit. But maybe he just saw
the opportunity and thought, well, you

615
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.559
know, this will be a great
opportunity to do this. And the shot

616
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.920
itself, like if you looked at
the where it was in the back seat.

617
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.199
It was directly like you know,
threw her back and it was like

618
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.199
you had you almost had to be
like aiming it there, you know,

619
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.079
for that to be such a perfect
shot to go right through her abdomen where

620
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:28.559
it's going to cause a lot of
damage and he would probably know where to

621
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:32.679
shoot someone probably. I hope you're
saving some of those bloopers for the bloopers.

622
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.079
I don't. I don't do bloopers. What are you talking about.

623
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.719
I mean, they're few and far
between. But every time I say something,

624
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.360
I just you get this look at
your face, and I can tell

625
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:47.199
you're like saving the file. And
when you make a mistake, because you

626
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.400
are the one who's recording, I
think you just delete it. I am

627
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:58.079
doing some more bloopers today. But
you're right, Oh, all right,

628
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.519
I'll try to do better, a
better job of state my blueopers. All

629
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.000
right. Back to the story,
though, So, this case became a

630
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.199
big story in Atlanta, partly because
of Tex and Diane's wealth and status in

631
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:13.039
the community, but also because of
some remarks that TeX's friend and spokesman Bill

632
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.320
Crane made four days after the shooting. Crane was talking to the Atlanta Journal

633
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.840
Constitution, and he said mc iver
asked for his gun because he was quote

634
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:29.480
alarmed about recent unrest surrounding several Black
Lives Matter protests in the area and fearing

635
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:35.599
a carjacking unquote. Yeah, So
suddenly race was injected into the conversation and

636
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.880
public opinion turned against Techs. Many
members of the black community were outraged that

637
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:45.239
Tex equated Black Lives Matter protesters with
carjackers, and they saw this as a

638
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:52.480
typical blame the black man defense.
As the investigation dragged on and Texts still

639
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.880
hadn't faced any consequences, there were
growing concerns that, as a wealthy white

640
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:00.519
man, Tex was being treated differently
than a black man would have been.

641
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:06.159
Former Atlanta City Council member Derek Boseman
said, quote, if I, as

642
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.320
a black man, had given an
explanation like that, I would be arrested

643
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.960
and there would be calls for a
murder indictment by the DA. Well,

644
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.760
not just being a white man,
but being a lawyer too. I think

645
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:19.519
lawyers get a lot of special treat
well connected, also very active politically,

646
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.800
you know, being appointed by the
governor a different things. So, yeah,

647
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.679
Text later tried to get his friend
Bill Crane to claim that Tex hadn't

648
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.519
actually said that, but Crane refused
to change his story, saying that Tex

649
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:37.000
had definitely agreed to that specific statement. Texas lawyers later told a different story,

650
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:42.599
saying that tex was quote not thinking
of black lives matter or anything racial

651
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.400
when he decided to get his revolver
out. He just saw some people milling

652
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:51.880
about in the area and took the
gun out as a precautionary measure. Three

653
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:57.119
months after Dan's death, the Atlanta
Police Department concluded their investigation and determined that

654
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.760
the shooting was not intentional, but
that Text had been and holding the gun

655
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.920
in a careless and reckless manner,
and so they charged him with involuntary manslaughter

656
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.239
and reckless conduct. But now that
the case was in the hands of the

657
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:15.920
DA's office, they decided to launch
their own investigation, and they eventually decided

658
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.800
to file charges for malice murder,
which basically means there was intent to murder,

659
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:25.840
and felony murder, which does not
require intent. So they went against

660
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.400
the recommendation of the Atlanta Police Department, which made for an interesting situation.

661
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:36.199
So like the main investigator from the
Atlanta PD, for example, would end

662
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:40.559
up testifying for the defense about their
conclusion that it was an accident. Tex

663
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.719
was released on bond, but four
months later, the DA decided to search

664
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:50.320
his apartment for the updated will that
Diane's friends had all talked about. When

665
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:52.840
they searched the apartment, they didn't
find the will, but they did find

666
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.920
a gun in texas sock drawer,
which violated terms of his bail because he

667
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.920
had been required to turn all of
his guns over. Oh wow. Text

668
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.840
claimed the gun must have been planted, but it was in his sock drawer,

669
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.440
so you know he had in his
sock drawer. I go in my

670
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.840
sock dwer every day. There's no
way I wouldn't notice that. Again,

671
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:19.480
I'm not defending again. Well,
I think Text had so many weapons and

672
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.760
was used to seeing them that it
was would be possible that he would forget

673
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.360
about one. Well, his claim
was that the gun had been planted,

674
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.760
but the judge wasn't buying that,
so his bond was actually revoked and he

675
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.880
spent the next eight months in prison. Oh yeah. Eventually he did get

676
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.679
a new lawyer who was able to
get him released on house arrest until his

677
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:44.239
trial. So Texas trial began on
March thirteenth of twenty nineteen. The state's

678
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.960
basic argument was that tex was in
financial trouble. He wanted to maintain the

679
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.079
image of wealth and status that he
had cultivated and was willing to go to

680
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:57.679
any lengths to do that. On
September twenty fifth of twenty sixteen, he

681
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.840
saw an opportunity and he seized it, footing Diane through the back. It

682
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.519
wasn't premeditated, but it was definitely
cold blooded. Here's a clip from the

683
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:12.760
opening argument by prosecutor Seleida Griffin talking
about Texas motivation and some of his financial

684
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:17.960
problems. Now, this is a
case about maintaining an image of wealth and

685
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:23.039
power that the defendant created for himself
and the links that he went through to

686
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:30.039
keep it. September twenty fifty,
two thousand and sixteen, the day that

687
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.639
the defendant shot his wife in the
back, his life was spinning out of

688
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:39.639
control. The partnership that he had
in two thousand and five at Fisher and

689
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:45.519
Phillips was gone. He lost his
partnership in two thousand and fourteen and was

690
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:51.599
planning on retiring in December of two
thousand and seventeen, and over the three

691
00:50:51.679 --> 00:51:00.400
year period, his salary dropped fifty
four percent. He had become dependent upon

692
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:06.039
Diane, and over a three year
period from two thousand and thirteen and two

693
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.519
thousand and sixteen, our financial expert, mister Dan driscoll was testified that he

694
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:19.719
received one hundred and ninety eight thousand
dollars from Diane mcgiver. In addition to

695
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.599
the one hundred and ninety eight thousand
dollars that she that he received from her,

696
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:28.599
She gave him a loan for three
hundred and fifty thousand dollars in two

697
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:34.320
thousand and eleven. This wasn't a
hey, you can pay me back whenever

698
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.760
you get the money. This wasn't
actual loan with a promissory note, and

699
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:43.920
the loan was secured by the ranchild
in Putnam County, and based on his

700
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:49.159
financial condition, the defendant would not
be able to repay this loan. In

701
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.880
fact, the evidence will show that
in two thousand and eleven, when she

702
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:57.320
gave him the loan, it was
due in two thousand and fourteen and he

703
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.519
hadn't paid it, so she renewed
it. So they will be doing the

704
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:07.639
samer of two seventeen and the evidence
will show that over that period he made

705
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:13.559
interest only payments and never paid any
money on a principle, so the defense,

706
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.280
of course, argued that it was
just a tragic accident. They also

707
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:21.239
had an expert witness who claimed that
Tex had some type of sleep disorder that

708
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.800
he had been diagnosed with the years
earlier, and that might explain why he

709
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:29.039
pulled the trigger, but didn't know
why. They also argued that Tex was

710
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.760
not in financial straits, that he
was worth one point seven million dollars at

711
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:36.320
the time of Diane's death, and
they pointed out that on the evening of

712
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.760
the shooting, both Danny and Diane
herself before she died, said that it

713
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:44.679
was an accident. However, in
my mind that doesn't like the fact that

714
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.480
Diane said it was an accident.
I don't know how much weight that really

715
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:51.480
carries because she you know, she
was just sitting there. Well, she

716
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:53.639
wasn't driving, she was in the
passenger seat, Diane I'm talking about.

717
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.920
Oh yeah, But Danny, the
same thing with Danny, Joe, Like,

718
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.360
both of them said it was an
accident, but how would they how

719
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.400
would they know if he did if
he pulled the trigger on purpose or not?

720
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:09.719
True. The trial lasted twenty days. The jury deliberated for twenty nine

721
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:14.000
hours, including a field trip to
sit in the back of the car where

722
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:17.719
Tex had sat and holding the gun
that he had held. Pretty that's pretty

723
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.840
long, I know. After four
days of deliberating, they sent a note

724
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.239
to the judge saying that they were
deadlocked and didn't see any path to a

725
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.519
verdict. You didn't let me give
a prediction because that was going to be

726
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.000
my prediction. Well, the story
is not over yet. So they sent

727
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.719
a note to the judge saying they
were deadlocked. The judge told them to

728
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:38.679
keep trying, and just two hours
later they actually did reach over, isn't

729
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.920
it Well, you know, after
twenty nine hours of deliberating and then they're

730
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.239
like, we can't, can't do
it. The judge says, try again,

731
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.639
and two hours later, we did
it. Ye. So before I

732
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.039
tell you the verdict, the jury
essentially had three options, right, They

733
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.920
could find him guilty of malice murder, which means that he intended to kill

734
00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:00.679
her, felony murder, which doesn't
require in tent, or they could find

735
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.199
him not guilty. So what do
you what do you think? Well,

736
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.960
I didn't sit there for twenty days. I don't I really don't know.

737
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:14.119
I would think. I think I
would come up with not guilty. Yeah.

738
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.719
Well, they found him guilty of
felony murder, so they felt like

739
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:22.920
he had shot Diane without malice a
forethought, but with intent to do bodily

740
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:30.719
harm. Interestingly, both malice murder
and felony murder carry a mandatory life sentence,

741
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:35.559
so it doesn't really matter much to
prosecutors. In fact, in Atlanta,

742
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.079
that's why prosecutors really like the felony
murder charge because it's easier to prove,

743
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:45.000
but it carries the same punishment.
In addition to the felony murder charge,

744
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.800
Text was also found guilty on charges
of possession of a firearm during commission

745
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:54.880
of a felony and for influencing witnesses, specifically Danny Joe Carter, her husband

746
00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.199
Tom Carter, and his friend Bill
Crane. The question following the guilty verdict

747
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:06.280
was what would happen to Diane's estate? Because he was convicted of felony murder,

748
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.119
Text no longer had the right to
her estate. We know that it

749
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:13.559
was Diane's wish to leave the estate
to her god's son, Austin, but

750
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.559
it's unclear what will happen to it
or what has happened to it since then.

751
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:22.480
This story isn't quite over yet,
though, because in July of twenty

752
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:29.079
twenty two, the Georgia State Supreme
Court overturned Texas conviction. They said that

753
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.840
the trial court aired by not allowing
the jury the option of finding for involuntary

754
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:38.480
manslaughter, which is what the Atlanta
Police Department had originally recommended. They also

755
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:44.920
overturned the possession of a firearm conviction, but they upheld the conviction for influencing

756
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:49.440
the witnesses. Yeah, I think
I could get to involuntary manslaughter rather than

757
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:53.719
murderer. Yeah. So, Texts
had almost finalized his time for that last

758
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:59.519
charge, the influencing the witness charge, but even after he completed that sentence,

759
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.679
the judge denied him bond while he's
waiting for his new trial, saying

760
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.320
that as a man of means,
there's a reasonable risk that he would choose

761
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:13.800
to disappear. So tex is like
eighty now right, Yeah, Yeah,

762
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.960
he's in prison still. So his
new trial is actually scheduled to start on

763
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:21.639
September twentieth of this year, twenty
twenty three. All right, we'll keep

764
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:23.639
our eye on that. Yeah,
we'll definitely keep keep you updated on what's

765
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:28.280
going on, but I do have
some questions for you. Yeah, go

766
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.480
for it. So when he shot
the gun, was it still in the

767
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:37.679
bag? Yes? Okay? And
that worth one point seven million dollars?

768
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:43.840
How is that tabulated? Does that
in just is that his property? That's

769
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:45.719
I mean, that would be all
of his assets, you know, minus

770
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.440
his law property would be worth I
would think at least two million dollars,

771
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:52.719
right, but I don't know if
he still had a mortgage on that.

772
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.480
Also, the fact that Diane had
kind of a stake in the property now

773
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.960
because of the loan that she had
given him. So yeah, it seemed

774
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.880
to me that most of his wealth
was probably based on that property. So

775
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.519
what was he was going to retire? How was what was he going to

776
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:12.000
live off of? Was he going
to sell the branch and downsize, which

777
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.320
is what he should have done,
yeah, than kill his wife? Yeah?

778
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:19.360
I don't know. I mean that
I think that the motive, the

779
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.960
possible motive of money, makes a
lot of sense. I think he definitely

780
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:27.199
had that motive because he had this
lifestyle he was living, he didn't want

781
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.880
to lose it, and he was
kind of getting desperate like he didn't have

782
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:36.880
another way to keep maintaining his lifestyle. Yeah, but I feel the same

783
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:40.000
way you did though that I don't
know if I could have convicted him of

784
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:45.960
murder like I think involuntary manslaughter,
yes, but it's so hard to prove

785
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.119
that he did it intentionally. That's
how I feel, like, I don't

786
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.360
see the evidence. Yeah, I
think he may have, but again the

787
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.559
reasonable doubt. I definitely would have
some reasonable doubt whether he did it on

788
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:01.800
purpose or not. Same. So
what Diane she would she she would have

789
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:06.599
shared the money if she knew who
was broke, wouldn't she. They liked

790
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:08.599
each other, they had a good
marriage. Yeah, but at the same

791
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:13.599
time, I mean, they chose
to keep everything separate. She did loan

792
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:16.440
him money, but she also wanted
to change her will. According to a

793
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:21.039
lot of people, she wanted to
change her will to give almost everything she

794
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:23.440
had to her godson, Austin.
So but if she knew her husband was

795
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.960
financially struggling, I think she did
know though, I mean, yeah,

796
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.199
I mean there were emails back.
I think if she knew who she was

797
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:31.360
he was going to kill her,
she would have been like, all right,

798
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:35.719
well, yeah, we'll forget about
that loan. You would, you

799
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:37.519
would think so, but yeah,
I don't. I don't know. Otherwise

800
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:44.559
they were, they seemed to be
happy, that's what everyone said. Yeah,

801
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:46.280
it's it's hard. I just hate
hearing these stories. And it seems

802
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.199
like we've had a lot of stories
recently about older couples. Yeah, you're

803
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:55.000
right, You're right. Just seems
like you would just grin and bear and

804
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:59.559
bear. Well, again, I
think in this case, it wasn't like

805
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.480
he was unhappy with her. If
he did it on purpose, it was

806
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:07.559
because of money, which again,
it's a horrible reason to kill somebody,

807
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:13.039
but you know, it happens.
It happens all the time. I I

808
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:16.719
like money, but I'm this not
My primary motivation in life is to have

809
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:22.920
more stuff and more money. Yeah, I'd be okay with downsizing. Yeah,

810
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:27.199
well, in either case, rest
in peace. Diane definitely did not

811
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:32.360
deserve to die. And yeah,
we'll update you on what happens when text

812
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.559
goes back on trial. I said
this before, but I just I'm very

813
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.360
curious what it's like to be in
prison when you're eighty years old. Yeah,

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just seems and as it should be
a really miserable way to leave the

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world true. All right, well, the great job. It was a

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good story. And who recommended that
again? That was our listener, Susie.

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Thanks Susie. That was a good
case. Yeah, and thanks to

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Allison for the lovely box of chocolates. You probably didn't see that. I

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eight half of them when you were
when you were delivering. That's why I

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kept saying, because I couldn't talk
because I was like to get stuck in

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my key. Nice. Well,
thank you Alison. That was awesome.

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It was really sweet. Yeah.
I just wanted to give a shout out

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to a podcast, Scamanda. I
posted about it on Instagram, but I'm

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just really enjoying it. It's very
it's very good. Cool Yeah, Scamanda

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sc A m A n DA.
It's about a horrible woman who may or

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may not be faking cancer. Oh
so this is like a long form podcast,

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like multiple episodes. About six episodes, so I'm guessing there could be

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eight to ten episodes, but oh, I'm going to shake it out story.

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Yeah, it's a it's a I
think it's well done. Cool.

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Well, as I always, thank
you all so much for listening. We're

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so grateful for each and every download. Yeah, follow us on Instagram or

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Thanks again for listening, and remember
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kill your wife even if you're poor
and you need the money, because she'd

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rather live exactly be compelling the