July 4, 2025

Dolly and Fred Oesterreich

Dolly and Fred Oesterreich
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The Dolly Oesterreich case is one of the most bizarre and sensational true crime stories of the early 20th century. Walburga “Dolly” Oesterreich was a Milwaukee housewife married to a wealthy textile manufacturer, Fred Oesterreich. On the surface, she appeared to live a conventional life, but behind closed doors, her world was anything but ordinary. Dolly had a complicated personal life that eventually led to a shocking crime. The investigation that followed revealed a tangled web of secrets, deception, and relationships that defied social norms and legal boundaries. What began as a puzzling death soon unraveled into a story so strange that even seasoned detectives struggled to believe it.

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Hi, I'm Tina and I'm rich. If there's one thing

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we've learned in over twenty years of marriage.

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It's some days you'll feel like killing your.

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Wife and some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to a bonus episode of Love Mary Kill Ki to.

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Your way friends, your.

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Happy birthday, America, Happy Birthday America. How are you?

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I'm doing good.

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How are you happy to have a day off?

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I am happy to have a three day weekend.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's gonna be good.

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I had you play that opening music today, be Kind

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to your web Footed Friends, which is a parody of

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Star and Stripes Forever, reminds me of my grandpa. I

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don't know if I've ever told you this before. My

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grandpa used to sing that song all the time.

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Really, it was just always.

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You know, a tune he was whistling. And my grandpa,

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my mom's dad, was just really special to me growing up.

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And he had two of his toes on both feet

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were webs. Oh wow, Have I ever told you that before?

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I don't think so.

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And it's a family trait. Like my sister hers don't

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go up as far as my grandpa's did. I think

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mine are completely normal. But it's just kind of a

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kind of a funny trait that some.

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People have that is interesting. I did not know that.

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Well, thank you to our listener Monica for recommending this

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case today. It's a really interesting and even though someone

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gets murdered, it's kind of a fun case. And I

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was going to do it for a Patrion episode, but

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I just couldn't get enough to get to an hour,

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so I thought, oh, why not just release it as

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a bonus episode. And I think this episode will be

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a little bit lighter and maybe appropriate for a family

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listening while you're on your way home from your Fourth

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of July festivities. So I hope everyone enjoys this episode.

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But I love the fourth of Independence Day or the

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fourth of July. I think it's a great holiday.

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Why do you love it so much?

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I just think it's nice that you don't have to

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buy anyone a gift. You just show up with food

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and there's fireworks.

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It's pretty chill. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's just more of a relaxing day.

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I thought you were going to say you like it

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so much because of the hot dog eating competition.

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Well, it's no secret that I love the hot dog

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eating competition. And I think it's actually going to be

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going on as we're recording this. Joey Chestnut, who.

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You know, back.

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He's back. It's a major deal for.

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People who don't follow this quite as closely as we do.

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There was some kind of contractual dispute and.

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He well, he had an endorsement with.

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Impossible Food Atised, which is not exactly Nathan's hot Dogs.

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Said no, we don't like that. So I think that

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Joey has a lot to prove this year. I think

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he's going to come back stronger than ever. Joey's only

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forty one years old. He really he looks a little

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little older, had.

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A lot of years left in his eating career.

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So Nathan's famous hot dog competitions started, I believe. The

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first time was in nineteen seventy two, of course at

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Coney Island, but a Polish immigrant named Nathan Handworker started

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the original hot dog stand in Coney Island in nineteen seventeen.

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Nineteen seventeen, okay, the.

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First official competition took place on Independence Day, like I said,

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in nineteen seventy two. Jason Scheckter was the inaugural champion

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at the time in a mixed gender field. I don't

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know how many he ate. I wish I knew that.

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But Joey, his record is seventy.

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Three, and that's in ten minutes, right.

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In ten minutes. Yes, and you can so insane that

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you can if you want, you can put condiments on

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your hot dog. That's not against the rules, but I

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imagine would want to take the time to do that.

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That's so weird too. They put like they eat the

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buns and the hot dogs separately, and they soak the

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buns in water to make it easier to go.

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That part of it makes it so gross to me.

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I wish they could.

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It's pretty gross.

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Yeah, the whole thing is really disgusting, but I love

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it for whatever reason. So what is your guest for today?

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How many hot dogs do you think?

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I'm sorry, what did you say? The record was seventy

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seventy three. I think I think he's going to get

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a new record. I'm going to say seventy five.

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I'm going to go with eighty one each. I know,

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seems high. So wow, we'll see who is the winner here.

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All right, We'll see.

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I don't know if it's like this everywhere. I'm pretty

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sure it's not, But in Michigan, fireworks are pretty legal.

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Like in late May or early June, there's ten surrected everywhere,

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and you can buy a bunch of fireworks. Yeah, I

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am pro firework, but I am anti buying fireworks and

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letting them off yourself. I'm always really not very much

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fun when I'm like, nope, no one can buy fireworks.

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I don't want to see them set off. You know,

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you're a professional.

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Well, where we live now, it's not quite as bad,

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but the subdivision we used to live in, like it

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was like a war zone.

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Yeah, people were pretty bad here too. You're not supposed to,

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but people still do.

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People would just like our whole our whole neighborhood was

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like people just shooting off fireworks.

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Non.

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I do think it's super dangerous and I know I'm

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no fun and just be safe.

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I mean it is. It's very like a lot of

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people get hurt with fireworks, so it's definitely important to

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maintain safety.

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I did make you a snack, and it's a fourth

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of July snack. It's kind of a fail. I have

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a I kind of made it up on my own.

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We didn't really make it up, but I was like,

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I'm gonna take a Golden Gram cereal and I'm going

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to make a small tree. So I used a couple

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of sticks of butter and a bag of marshmallows, and

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then I put too much stuff in it, as I

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tend to do. Can you see, like the I put

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patriotic eminem's in it, and I put too many m

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and ms, so they's.

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It's a lot of stuff in it.

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And then I used those chocolate chunks and they didn't all.

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I think I needed more marshmallow.

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Golden Gram cereals used to be when I was growing up.

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That was one of my favorites. I loved Golden Grams.

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You know, I don't think I think I've only had

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it in making recipes like this, but yeah, it's really yummy.

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So if you want to try it real quick.

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Yeah, of course.

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So that was like breakfast because it's made with breakfast cereal.

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What did you need to do? Like it?

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It was not a fail in my book. It was

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really good.

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I mean I should use the full bag of marshmallows.

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I didn't look the back like it looked a little

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bit of a mess, but the taste of it was excellent.

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Well good, I'm glad you liked it. On the night

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of August twenty second, nineteen twenty two, that's our wedding anniversary,

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and that's the year that we got married.

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Right somewhere around there.

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The wealthy neighborhood of North Andrews Boulevard and Los Angeles

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was jolted awake by the sound of gunfire three shots

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just after midnight, coming from the grand home of Fred

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and Walburga or Dolly Oosterike Walburga.

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That is quite a name.

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Yeah, well that's why she went by, Dolly. Police arrived

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at the mansion to a scene straight out of a

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Who Done It. Fred Oasterike was found lying dead on

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the living room floor, splayed across an oriental rug, like

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a man who'd been trying to protect his home and wife. Upstairs,

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officers heard frantic banging and cries for help. They followed

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the noise to find Dolly locked in her bedroom closet,

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disheveled and distressed. The key to the closet was sitting

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innocently on a nearby table. Dolly was shaken tearful as

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she told police the house had been robbed. The thief

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locked her in the closet before she could get a

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good look at him. It certainly looked the part some

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drawers had been rummaged through. Fred's expensive watch was missing,

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along with some cash. The police bought it a robbery

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gone wrong. They thought something didn't sit right for starters,

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who locks the lady of the house in a closet

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and neatly leaves the key behind? And more importantly, why

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didn't anything else seem to be missing? Dolly certainly was

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hiding something or someone. While Burga corcial Osterich's early years

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are surrounded in mystery. We can't say for sure where

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or when she was born. Dolly Is she preferred to

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be called, may have been born in the US or Germany,

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but we do know that she was born in eighteen

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eighty to German immigrant parents, and that she grew up

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in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in a neighborhood among other German immigrants.

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From a young age. People were drawn to charismatic Dolly.

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She was bright, outgoing and pretty. While researching this case,

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I tried my best to get it right, but because

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the story is so old, I read a lot of

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thank you to newspapers dot com. It's really fun to

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go back and look at articles from you know, nineteen

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hundred or whatever. But some of the information conflicted. And

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I read a novella about the story, and there's just

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a lot of conflicting information.

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Yeah, that happens a lot with those older cases.

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Yeah, but I think I have the nuts and bolts right.

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Dolly's family was struggling to make ends meet, so at

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the tender age of twelve, Dolly was forced to quit

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school and get a job. She found work at a

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textile mill owned by the Oasterich family. Read Oasterike born

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in Chicago in eighteen seventy seven, was the heir to

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the family's fortune. He met Dolly at the mill and

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was instantly intrigued by the precocious young girl. Can you

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get your Canada control over there?

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He's really into this story.

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The Oasterikes, who had also migrated from Germany, owned several businesses.

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Despite her young age, she and Fred began dating.

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How old were they when they started dating.

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I'm not exactly sure how old they were when they

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started dating. She was twelve when she started working at

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the factory, so in my mind, I'm hoping that they

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didn't date until she was older. Yeah, when Dolly turned seventeen,

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she and Fred married. Dolly was happy to leave her

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troubled family behind for the wealth, stability, and comfort Fred

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offered her. They were very happy together in the beginning.

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Dolly and Fred were a good team. She helped him

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grow the family businesses, often suggesting new business ventures like

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manufacturing aprons, which became the cornerstone of the business. Dolly

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was kind and gentle with the workers at the textile mill,

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contrasting Fred's rude and brusque manner. But with his financial

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success came more responsibility in longer hours. To cope with

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the stress of work, Fred turned to alcohol. Dolly grew

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lonely and often found herself eating dinner by herself at

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a big table while Fred worked through the night. Dolly

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became pregnant in the year nineteen hundred at age twenty,

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and gave birth to a son named Raymond, but he

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died when he was nine years old, adding to Dolly's

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misery and loneliness. While Fred died deeper into his work

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and the bottle That's said Yeah. Craving the attention of

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love she no longer received from her husband, Dolly began

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seeing other men and carried out multiple affairs. Fred didn't

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even seem to notice. And if he did, he didn't care.

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In nineteen thirteen, a seventeen year old orphaned boy named

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Otto sand Huber caught Dolly's eye one day when she

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was visiting the textile factory. Otto repaired sewing machines and

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did other odd jobs for Fred. Dolly called the factory,

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feigning problems with her own sewing machine, and asked to

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have Otto sent to her home. Dolly, then thirty three,

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answered the door wearing only a silk robe, garters and stockings.

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Otto was overwhelmed with desire for the older woman, and

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the two began a torrid affair. First they met in hotels,

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but as time passed without Fred detecting anything, she became

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more brazen and the affair continued. At the oaster Reich's home.

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Otto was at her call. When the neighbor questioned Dolly

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who this young man was that she constantly saw at

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her house. She told the nosy woman that it was

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her half brother, who was a vagabond and constantly bothered

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her for food and money. Dolly had underestimated how curious

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bored housewives could be and decided that she and Otto

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needed to be more careful. She hatched a plan that

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she thought was brilliant. Otto could move into the attic

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of their large home. Fred would never notice, and then

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she could have her young lover whenever she wanted. By

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this point, Otto was desperately in love with Dolly and

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thought it was a fabulous idea, even if it meant

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that he would have to quit his job and drop

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out of his life to be stowed away in a

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dark and dusty attic. He really didn't like working anyway.

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Gives new meaning to the term being a kept man.

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Yeah, he was.

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Basically a prisoner. Dolly put a bed and a writing

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desk in the attic. The attic was sweltering in the

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summer and freezing in the winter, not an ideal place

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to live at all, but Otto wanted to be as

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close to Dolly as possible. Otto had dreams of becoming

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a pulp fiction writer. He romanticized wiling away the hours

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in the attic, reading and writing by candlelight, dreaming up

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plots for short stories and books. In addition to making

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love to Dolly several times a day while Fred was

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at work, Otto tidied the house, made the beds, cooked, cleaned,

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and even brewed bootleg gin. The attic was right above

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the primary bedroom. There was a panel in the closet

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with access to the attic, very convenient. Dolly took good

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care of Otto, bringing him food and little treats. She

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went to the library each week and selected books for

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him that he would read by candlelight. As Fred lay below,

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snoring away, oblivious to what was going on under his.

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Nose, I'm just curious. I'm not asking for any reason,

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but I know there's access to our attic in the garage.

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Don't go up there, Okay, was there in our bedroom? Yeah, yeah, that's.

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Pretty typically right. Yeah, I've never been up there. Maybe

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I should.

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I have only poked my head up there. But it's

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not it's not a very inviting attic. It's not like, yeah,

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it's not like a place you.

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Would Dolly's attic was very inviting either.

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That's kind of wild. It sounds crazy, but this arrangement

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lasted for over five years.

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Wow.

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Fred was busy and distracted, but not entirely oblivious. He

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noticed that the leftover chicken would be gone before he'd

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had a chance to make a sandwich. His cigars seemed

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to be disappearing faster than he was smoking.

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Now Otto was smoking Fred's cigars. That's not cool.

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Dolly vanished into thin air sometimes, and he constantly heard

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voices and unexplained noises. He started to question his sanity.

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Dolly suggested he pay a visit to his doctor.

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Fred.

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The doctor assessed him and declared him healthy. His wife

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suggested that he should stop drinking and maybe things would

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become clearer. After Fred opened a new factory in Los

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Angeles in nineteen seventeen, he suggested they move there. Fred

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didn't want to admit it, but their home in Milwaukee

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was creeping him out. Sure it was. When they went

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to look for houses in La Dolly was insisted that

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she wanted a house with an attic, which is rare

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in California, or was at that time anyway. Fred didn't

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understand why Dolly needed an attic in her house, but

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he wasn't one to question her. Eventually, Fred did find

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a lovely mansion with an attic on Sunset Boulevard. The

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attic again had access through the primary bedroom's closet. Otto

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agreed to move across the country with Dolly. He was

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excited for the opportunity and couldn't stand the thought of

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being parted from her. The arrangement suited him just fine.

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He set out for la before Dolly and Fred, so

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he could settle himself into the attic Otto's writing career

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was actually going well. He'd been paid for several of

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his stories and was working on a novel. Fred became

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worried when the odd occurrences and noises followed them to

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Los Angeles. He really thought he was losing his marbles.

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He sank deeper into the bottle, depressed that his grasp

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on reality was so tenuous. His increased drinking further deteriorated

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his relationship with Dolly, and their fights became louder and

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more aggressive. Otto overheard the arguments, and he didn't like

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it one bit. He wanted to protect Dolly, but she

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reminded him that he needed to stay hidden. She could

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handle Fred, she insisted. But on August twenty second, nineteen

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twenty two, after coming home from a party, Fred was

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in a particularly rancorous mood. The couple started their usual bickering,

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but as it intensified, Otto could hear the fighting from

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his perch grow increasingly angrier. He was afraid that Fred

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would harm his beloved. He crawled through the hole in

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the closet and then ran down the stairs to the

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living room to confront his rival. You can imagine Fred's

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surprise when he saw the strange man coming down the

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stairs with two small guns aimed at him. The guns

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were twenty five caliber. And I know neither of us

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are really good with guns, but do you know what

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a twenty five caliber is?

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Hey, don, I've never heard of that. I've heard of

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twenty two calibers, So assume it's a little bit bigger.

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They're really tiny, Like it's like the size of your palm,

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Like you can fit in your hand. Gotcha. It was

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then that Fred recognized Otto as a young man who

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had worked for him years earlier. It all suddenly became

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clear to him. Otto had been the cause of the

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noises and not occurrences that had been plaguing him for

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the past ten years.

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I can't even imagine that moment of clarity in Fred's mind,

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where it just all all the pieces came together. It

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was like, oh my god, I was not going crazy

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all these years.

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Yeah, well, to see you think it's just you and

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your wife and your house at all, sid this man

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comes down the stairs, not through the front door. Yeah,

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it must have been a huge shock. Fred began swinging

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furiously at Otto, shocked at his work's betrayal. But these

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would be Fred's final thoughts. Shots rang out and echoed

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through the air. Otto fired three bullets, two into Fred's

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chest and one into the back of his head, killing

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him immediately.

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Dolly and Otto knew they needed to act fast before

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the neighbors called the police. They decided their best course

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of action would be to stage a burglary. They left

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Fred on the living room floor. Otto took the guns, cash,

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some of Dolly's jewelry, and Fred's diamond watch up to

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the attic, and then locked Dolly in the closet. When

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the police arrived, they were flummixed. The house was full

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of valuables, but the thief had only taken Fred's watch

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and some cash. Why would the thief kill Fred over

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so little? They let Dolly out of the closet. Suspicion

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quickly fell on her. But how had she locked herself

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in the closet. The police felt that she wasn't telling

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the whole truth.

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How had Otto locked her into the closet and then

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gone back up to the attic. There must have been

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another way up into the attic. Two, maybe into one.

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The entrance to the attic was through the closet.

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Yeah, yeah, there must have been another entrance to the attic.

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A yeah, that would make sense. Dolly was taken to

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the jail to be questioned and she was arrested, but

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later the charges were dropped against her because of the

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weak evidence. One fingerprint was found on the doorknob of

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the closet. It wasn't Dolly's or Fred's, but it was

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lost later by law enforcement. It was later learned that

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the DA ordered Dolly's fingerprints be destroyed in nineteen twenty three. Reportedly,

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officials led Dolly dry for eight years under the threat

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of arrest and incarceration.

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Dolly has a lot of money at this point, and

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I think that she had to pay a lot of

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people off to keep out of jail.

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Okay, we'll be back after a break. Fred's will was

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allegedly destroyed in the attic. Inherited Fred's vast fortune at

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the time valued at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

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which is fourteen million dollars today.

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So I read varying accounts of how much money Dolly

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was worth and some accounts said millions, and I don't

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know if that meant adjusted for inflation or you know,

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Fred had seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars and he

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willed it to her, but the value of his businesses

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was millions of dollars. But regardless, she was pretty much

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she was very well off.

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Now that Fred was out of the picture, Dolly and

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Otto didn't have to hide anymore. Dolly purchased a new

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home that also happened to have an attic, so used

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to their arrangement, Otto chose to once again reside in

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the attic and continue writing pulp fiction, but now because

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he didn't have to worry about Fred finding out about him,

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he bought a typewriter and was able to clack the

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night away. Dolly supported his writing, helping him develop his

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plots and even edited his work.

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Just really funny to me that Otto chose to go

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back into to the attic. Yeah, you really must have

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liked it up there, I guess, so. Yeah, and he

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has access to I'm sure Dolly, you know, she could

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have given him anything at this point, because I think

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she really did love him, But he's just like, no,

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just I'll just take a typewriter.

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And it sounds like in all these years he probably

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didn't go out much either, right, because he couldn't be

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seen by neighbors, so he really like didn't he lived

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in this little attic all the time. Dolly took on

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a new lover, her lawyer, Herman Shapiro. Boy, poor Otto.

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I can't believe she did. Otto like that Herman had

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been indispensable and getting the murder charges dropped against her.

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Dolly was so enamored with her new bo that she

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gave him a valuable diamond watch. Even though she had

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great wealth, it seemed silly to purchase a new diamond

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watch when she still had Fred's stowed away up in

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the attic. Herman was a sharp fellow, however, and was

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instantly aware that the gifted watch was the one that

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had allegedly been stolen by the thieves who killed Fred.

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When he confronted her about this, she explained that she

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had been wrong about the watch being stolen. It had

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simply been misplaced.

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Do you think Otto was like, Dolly, where's my diamond watch?

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Probably a critical mistake, It would turn out. Hermann loved Dolly,

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but he was a busy man. Dolly needed constant attention,

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so she added another man to her lineup.

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I think Dolly had a lot, like we're going to

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talk about a few, but she had a lot of men.

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In her life, did she.

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Roy Clumb was her new paramore. He was a businessman

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and aspiring actor. Dolly had three men completely wrapped around

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her fingers. Roy especially was ary, smitten and a little naive.

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When Dolly asked him to do a favor for her,

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he was more than willing. She told her she had

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a gun she needed him to get rid of for her,

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not the one that had been used to kill Fred,

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but it happened to be the exact same make and

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model as a so called burglar's weapon. With the police

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sniffing around, she figured it probably wasn't the best idea

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to have this gun lying around the house.

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That doesn't sound very likely to me, you don't think.

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So Roy threw the gun into the Librea tarpits. Soon after,

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Dolly grew tired of him and broke things off. There

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was a second gun that she asked a neighbor to

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bury in his yard, and he agreed. He buried it

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under a rose bush. I know it sounds ridiculous, but

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she did approach these two different men and asked them

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to get rid of the guns for her.

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Yeah, I believe it.

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I don't know why she didn't ask Roy to just

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get rid of both of them, or.

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Why she didn't just do it herself. Do you give

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these things to other people and it's going to end

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up coming out one way or another.

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Very good point. Soon someone noticed how similar herman's watch

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was to Fred's watch. They tipped the police off, and

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once again they began to watch Dolly. Roy, angry about

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Dolly breaking off their relationship, went to the police and

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told them about the gun he the tarpits. When Dolly's

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Neighborhod buried the gun in his rose garden saw the

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news on the front page of the newspaper, he dug

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up the pistol he'd buried for Dolly and brought it

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to the police station. Police were also able to locate

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the gun in the tarpit. The problem was that both

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of the guns were in rough shape, rusted, and impossible

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to tell if they were the actual murder weapon. Still,

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authorities believed they had enough evidence to arrest Dolly. Otto

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remained hidden in the attic, still unknown to the police.

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When herman went to visit her in jail. Dolly pleaded

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with him to go to her house. She explained that

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her stepbrother was in her attic and asked him to

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go check on him and bring him some food. She said, quote,

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go and take some food to my house, leave it

479
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.079
on the floor in my bedroom, and scratch on the

480
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:55.359
wall near the dresser. Tell no one. Herman did as

481
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:58.319
he was told. He was shocked when Otto emerged from

482
00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.839
the closet. He was thin, pale, as if he hadn't

483
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:05.480
seen the sun in years. Herman had interrupted Otto as

484
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:08.319
he was writing a story about Fred's murder and the attic,

485
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:13.160
portraying himself as the hero. According to the affidavit, the

486
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:17.599
two men became fast friends. Otto revealed the truth to herman.

487
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.880
He wasn't Dolly's stepbrother, but her lover of many years,

488
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.440
and he had been the gunman who killed Fred Osterich.

489
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.359
Herman didn't turn him in, but Otto was horrified that

490
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.000
Dolly was in jail for a crime he committed. He

491
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.920
went to the police station and turned himself in immediately

492
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.400
so she could be free again. Because he was used

493
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:40.839
in never seeing the sun and living in a small space,

494
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:41.839
how much worse.

495
00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:43.640
Could prison be a very good point?

496
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.720
I'm just kidding. Otto was terrified at the thought of

497
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:49.400
going to jail. He packed his typewriter and his few

498
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:53.079
belongings and went to Canada, where he changed his name

499
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:56.799
to Walter Klein and later married a woman. I don't

500
00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:59.319
know if Otto continued to live in attics.

501
00:25:59.400 --> 00:25:59.799
I bet he.

502
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.839
Do you think so? DOLLI frequently sent Otto money in

503
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.799
Canada until he later reappeared in Los Angeles and told

504
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:11.480
her that he couldn't live without her as Luck would have.

505
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.279
But the charges weren't strong enough, and Dolly was released

506
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:17.799
from jail. Herman moved in with her until nineteen thirty

507
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:20.880
when they had an ugly breakup. He went to the

508
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:24.559
police and told them everything he knew, including Otto living

509
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:28.079
in Dolly's attic for a decade, which resulted in her

510
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:34.000
being arrested again for conspiracy. Police tracked Auto down in Canada.

511
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:39.319
The newspapers really loved the wild story and coined Otto

512
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:44.720
the ghost in the Garrett and Batman. Batman first appeared

513
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:49.839
in comics in nineteen thirty nine. So I'm wondering if Otto.

514
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:54.359
Might have been the inspiration forman Do you think so? Maybe?

515
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.920
Herman alleged that Dalli and Otto had burned Fred's original will.

516
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.400
He claimed that Dolly was will a third of the estate,

517
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:05.240
with another third going to the Christian Science Church and

518
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.640
another third going to the manager of the textile factory.

519
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:11.559
I don't believe there's any proof that a will was

520
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:16.079
actually burned. Otto was arrested. He took the police to

521
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.759
the very attic where he had lived for so many years.

522
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.640
He told them that Dolly had kept him there as

523
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:25.599
a sex slave for over ten years, although he really

524
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:29.200
had loved her deeply. He explained that he had killed Fred,

525
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.680
but it was in self defense. Quote. I thought from

526
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:35.920
Missus oster Rich's screams that her husband was killing her.

527
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:38.799
I grabbed my gun in a rage, and, after climbing

528
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:42.400
out of my secret room, ran downstairs. I pulled the

529
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.480
trigger and he fell on the floor bleeding. Then I

530
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.680
ran upstairs, badly, frightened by what I had done, and

531
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:53.680
hid myself in this secret little room. Newspaper descriptions from

532
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.440
that time really make me laugh because they're very specificous.

533
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:01.160
They described Otto as quote and under sized man with

534
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:06.200
a thin face and furtive eyes. When Otto went to trial,

535
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.440
the jury found him guilty not of murder but manslaughter.

536
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.799
Because the statute of limitations had run out on manslaughter,

537
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:19.079
Otto forty was freed. Dolly fifty six went to trial

538
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.279
in nineteen thirty six. She still had heaps of money

539
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.480
and hired high powered attorneys to represent her. She claimed

540
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.680
she had only lied to protect Otto, she had nothing

541
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.160
to do with Fred's murder and had not planned it.

542
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.960
Dolly's jury was hung. The state of California realized that

543
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.720
their case was too weak to move forward and drop

544
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:43.359
the charges against Dolly. A year later, Dolly met a

545
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:46.680
man named ray Bert Hedrick. He was her companion for

546
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.839
nearly thirty years. They remained together until Dolly's death in

547
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:55.000
nineteen sixty one. They married five days before her death.

548
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:56.200
She was eighty one.

549
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.920
So they were together for thirty years and never married

550
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.559
and then they got married five days. Yes, strange, Well

551
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.559
maybe she maybe there was all like a legal reason,

552
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.400
like she wanted him to inherit her wealth or something.

553
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.640
And wouldn't she just leave it?

554
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:08.960
Will know?

555
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:10.599
I don't know, I don't speculating.

556
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:16.079
Dolly's story inspired two films, The Bliss of Missus Blossom

557
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.960
and a made for TV movie starring a very young

558
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:24.440
Neil Patrick Harris, the man in the attic in the

559
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:29.759
movie Dolly and Otto are Christa and Edward and we

560
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.079
have a clip. Edward.

561
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:40.000
Please just stay with Edward if someone sees us.

562
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:43.519
Please please. You don't know how much I've missed you.

563
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.519
I don't know, Krista being without you. You're all I

564
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:49.839
can think of, and when I do, I can't breathe,

565
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:51.759
I panic, and I can't see.

566
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.039
That's exactly how I feel. You've shown me what's possible

567
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.440
in life. I can't go back to the way it was, Krista.

568
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.240
I have no job, no no place to stay. Once

569
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.559
this once runs, Listen, I know a place with free

570
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.680
room and board where Joe will never find you and

571
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.119
we can be together as much as we want. There

572
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:21.599
is no such place, Yes there is, there is. So

573
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.680
what do you think We could clean it up and

574
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.480
put a mattress here for you and I'd live here

575
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.400
in the attic only when Joe is home. The rest

576
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:38.559
of the time the house is ours. You'll find out.

577
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:41.839
How could he? I let Mary go. You and I

578
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.920
can do the work that needs to be done. The

579
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:50.000
neighbors they never come round. Of course, you couldn't be

580
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.599
seen coming or going? Where would I want to go?

581
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:53.440
My life is with you.

582
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.119
The house would be our sanctuary.

583
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.400
I watched that clip because you send it to me

584
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.039
to care and I had no idea that was Neil Patrick.

585
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:05.480
Now that you said it, Oh yeah, of course that was.

586
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.680
I mean he's a baby. Yeah, it seems like it's

587
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.319
right after Dogie his doogie howser years. I had to

588
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.799
watch a fair bit of to get a good clip.

589
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.359
It's just lovely, beautiful acting there nice and that's how

590
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.279
we'll spend the rest of our Independence day in the attic.

591
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.599
No watching that great move. Okay, it's on YouTube and

592
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.920
we will post a link. Oh boy again. There were

593
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.839
varying accounts of how many homes that Otto moved with

594
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.200
dollly Tube. I think there was as many as seven

595
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.039
times they moved, and Otto each time went to the attic.

596
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.599
So wild and how many like how many years all together?

597
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.880
Like ten years or more? He was sort of living

598
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:45.559
in the attic.

599
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.960
Wow. Why do you think Otto liked the attic so much?

600
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:51.680
Well, I think he wanted to be close to the

601
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.359
love of his life. But he probably also liked if

602
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.519
you're a writer, like you want peace and quiet and

603
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.839
somewhere you can you know, be doing your work, and

604
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.960
he probably he probably enjoyed having that little space. You know.

605
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.759
It just sounds like it would be really hot in

606
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:08.920
the summer and really cold in the winter.

607
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:12.200
I don't know, yeah for sure, but you know, back

608
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.880
then people didn't have air conditioning anyway, so you were

609
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.759
kind of more used to being like hot and cold.

610
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.680
So maybe it just wasn't that big of a deal.

611
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.680
It's probably true, so Fred was shot in self defense.

612
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:25.160
Why did they just tell the police that?

613
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:26.319
Yeah?

614
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.920
I mean I think the whole thing with her lover

615
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:30.880
living in the attic for ten years would have been

616
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.240
a pretty weird story to have to tell the police.

617
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.680
So maybe they just didn't want to get into.

618
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.000
That whole or do you think it could have been plotted?

619
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:41.559
I mean maybe, but it seems like they had a

620
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.519
kind of a good thing going. So why would they

621
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.720
you know, why would they do that? Really? I don't

622
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:48.480
It doesn't seem like there was any reason for it.

623
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:51.039
He had lived there for ten years and no end

624
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.079
in sight, so why not just keep doing it?

625
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.400
A lot of interesting psychological ramifications in this In this case, right,

626
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.720
Dolly had lost her son and you know, was Otto

627
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:05.000
kind of a replacement.

628
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.440
Yeah, he was like seventeen when they met.

629
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.640
She was in her thirties, right, Yeah, and I think

630
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.680
he was just a few years older than what her

631
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.319
son would have been at the time. Yeah, and Otto

632
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.640
was orphaned, So maybe he was looking for a maternal

633
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.240
figure in Dolly and that's why she was so important

634
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:22.559
to him.

635
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.119
Yeah, he might be onto something there.

636
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.920
I have one more important question for you. Is Batman

637
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:29.039
a superhero?

638
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:30.680
Yeah?

639
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.400
Obviously, I really adamantly disagree. A superhero is someone who

640
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:40.400
has a superpower, like a super strength, like Superman is

641
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:47.359
really strong, spider Man has his web capabilities of backup Man.

642
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.200
I don't know what he swim, he swims.

643
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.839
Really fast, says well, I mean Batman didn't have superpowers,

644
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.799
but he was a superhero. Those those are two different things.

645
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:00.240
You can use your superpowers to be a superhero or I.

646
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.640
Mean he did good things.

647
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.400
He was definitely a hero, and I think he's a hero.

648
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.119
But he's superhero. So in my opinion, he's just like

649
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.800
a wealthy guy who bought a bunch of stuff.

650
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.800
He was brilliant, he had well he was we had

651
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:18.039
a super brain that allowed him to invent really cool

652
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:19.079
gadgets and things.

653
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:23.239
So under that definition, then you're a superhero because you're

654
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:24.000
a smart guy.

655
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:26.639
Yeah, but I don't really use my powers for good.

656
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.199
So I think Batman, I think being a superhero is

657
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.119
independent of having a superpower.

658
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.719
Well, Chad, Shept agreed with you because I asked him

659
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.280
and said, Batman is considered a superhero. But he's a

660
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.480
bit of a he's a bit of a unique case.

661
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:50.480
He has genius level intellect, peak physical conditioning, mastery of

662
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:55.079
martial arts and detective work, advanced technology and gadgets, and

663
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.000
unshakable moral code.

664
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.400
So you are very much I have hardly any of

665
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:00.000
those things.

666
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.599
It's actually not true. You don't. Well, I mean, if

667
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:07.599
you're a genius or not, that's devatable, but you don't

668
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:11.000
have martial arts. He has Marshall Arts training. I don't

669
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:11.760
remember that part.

670
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:13.960
He was very good at fighting, so I guess he

671
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.519
must have had some sort of training, but I don't

672
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:18.920
know exactly what the discipline was.

673
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.880
We should maybe build a cave under our house. We

674
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.199
should when we're building the swimming pool, we can, you know,

675
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:32.800
just keep going kill. Yesterday I was out running errands,

676
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.400
and this always just baffles me. I was in a

677
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.840
bathroom in a public restroom, and the amount of people

678
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.920
that I hear talking on their cell phone when they're

679
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:48.440
in a bathroom stall is shocking to me. I'm not kidding. Like,

680
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.719
almost every time I'm in a public restroom, I hear

681
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.519
someone on their phone, Like in the stall.

682
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:55.159
I hear it all the time.

683
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:57.360
Yeah, do you ever talk to anyone?

684
00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:59.920
Ever ever done that? I will text.

685
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.760
I'm just gonna call you out in that because last

686
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.920
week I was walking down the stairs and I had

687
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.199
just received a text from you.

688
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.559
I sent you something funny. I found her something you

689
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:11.480
was But it.

690
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.199
Was just so funny because I was just like, you

691
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:14.599
just texted me on the toilet.

692
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:18.440
You like, yeah, yes, But I would never talk on

693
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:18.880
the phone.

694
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.079
I wouldn't either were.

695
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.199
In the bathroom. I just think that's too weird. But

696
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.519
I see it all the time too, when I'm in

697
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:26.440
public restrooms. It's very common.

698
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:27.960
Okay, this is kind of gross. But a couple of

699
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.840
weeks ago, I was in a restroom. There's these two

700
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.079
ladies and they were like, you know, side by side

701
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.360
on the stalls, and it was like the one lady

702
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.519
was like, hell, and what are you doing in there

703
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:38.400
allan you were a cross.

704
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:39.559
They were talking to each other.

705
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.880
Yeah, no one was. You know, she had some gas

706
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:43.480
or something.

707
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.320
It's like a scene out of Harold and Kumar.

708
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.199
I'm not sure I get that reference in.

709
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.159
The first Harold and Kumar movie, which has Neil Patrick Harrison.

710
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.719
It kind of made me think.

711
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:55.360
Of that he makes Connects movies and.

712
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.800
A really gross scene where there's two two girls or

713
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.119
two women, young women in toilet stalls next to each other.

714
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:03.679
I'm not going to go in any more detail because

715
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:05.000
it's pretty gross scene.

716
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:10.199
But that's just about white Castle. Just say, Harold and

717
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.079
who are like I need? White Castle was a good movie.

718
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.119
The first one was really good. I think did they

719
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.480
get increasingly where I think? Yeah, I think the first

720
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:23.239
one felt really unique. Yeah, well that was really we.

721
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:26.320
Just I don't know how we went there, but yeah, yeah, but.

722
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:29.079
We only have White Castle probably every five years, so

723
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.920
it might be the day. All well, I hope everyone

724
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has a happy and save Fourth of July. Leave the

725
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.000
fireworks to an expert or.

726
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:41.519
Such a curmudgeon.

727
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.400
The guy who's drink drink I just want I don't

728
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want anyone.

729
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.280
Yeah, we don't want anyone. Just be careful. If you're

730
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going to use fire just be careful.

731
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:54.039
Don't get really drunk like dynamite, and you know the

732
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.519
things that you put into their they're unstable. That the

733
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.920
whole definition of a fire is like it's an unstable

734
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:03.800
stable you know.

735
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.800
I think you can be safe using fireworks, just a

736
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:08.400
lot of people are very careless, and a lot of

737
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.719
people drink a lot, and that just leads to bad things.

738
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.360
So yeah, use your fireworks, but just be careful. That's

739
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:15.840
all I would that's my advice.

740
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.599
Well, our local weather man, Dave Rex, Yeah, I just

741
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:23.719
feel really bad for him.

742
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.880
Yeah.

743
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.599
Well, thank you again Monica for recommending this case. It

744
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:29.480
was definitely one that I enjoyed.

745
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:30.840
It was an interesting one.

746
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.920
Yeah, until next time, don't kill your wife and don't

747
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:34.679
kill your husband.

748
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To us midnight on the ocean on the day I

749
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.639
married him. He didn't know his name was spread That's

750
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.440
why I called him Jim. We settled down in London, France,

751
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:58.079
beside the Pyramids and raised a little family of crazy,

752
00:38:58.159 --> 00:38:59.039
mixed up kids.

753
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:05.480
Oh, be kind to your web for the friends or

754
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:10.559
a duck may be somebody's mother. Be kind to the

755
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.880
denizen of the swamp. He's a delayed true and food.

756
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.480
You may think that this is the end, where it

757
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is