May 11, 2025

Susan Bailey - Mother's Day bonus episode

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This is the story of a single mother, a twisted teenage romance, and a crime so brutal—and so personal—it left a community stunned and a family shattered. Susan Bailey, 43, a hardworking single mother in Roanoke, Texas, was brutally murdered in her own home on September 25, 2008. The crime was shocking not just for its brutality, but for the identity of the perpetrators—her teenage children, Jennifer and David along with Jennifer’s boyfriend, Paul Henson. The investigation uncovered a chilling level of planning, a fascination with dark and violent themes, and a trail of alarming behavior leading up to the murder.

Today's snack: Levain Bakery Lemon Cookies

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Hi, I'm Tina and I'm Emma. And if there's one

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thing we've learned and over twenty years of parenting.

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Some days you're gonna feel like killing your mom.

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And some days you might feel like killing your kid.

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Welcome to Love, Mary kill Well, Hi Emma, Hi Mom.

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I'm so glad that you're here.

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I'm happy to be here.

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Because you were like, I'm not doing that again.

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Well, I know it wasn't your first choice, and you're wife.

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The guest you wanted is unavailable, but that's not true.

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I'm just as happy to have you. But brother has

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never done it before, so I did kind of want brother.

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But brother is editing the podcast, so he's also involved.

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So how have you been in this last year.

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You've had a lot of changes, A lot of life

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changes have happened.

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Last year.

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When we left off, you were just graduating from college.

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Yeah, I graduated and I started my new job, which

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I've been at for a year. Now. I'm teaching at

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a preschool. You've learned a lot. You could say that

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some days it doesn't feel like it, but anyway, I

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just got back from work and it's been a long day,

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but I'm still kind of in preschool teacher mode, So

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I'm trying to keep that enthusiasm going for you.

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You've taught me a lot in your year of preschool,

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and sometimes it makes me laugh. You use your preschool

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teacherness on me.

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I do, yes, Like if I get angry, you'll say, oh,

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you're having a big emotion. I don't necessarily say that,

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but I think the thing I've learned the most about

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is problem solving. So yes, that can be a really

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useful skill to use on your friends and family. Yeah,

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or sometimes you might take a beat instead of reacting

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like a knee jerk reaction. Yeah, you could say that

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as I always tell the kids, take a big breath.

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Yeah, and then respond, well, we have a lot of

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listeners with young children. What would be your best advice

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to parents of young children.

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My best piece of advice, I feel like, would be

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just let them play and let them be kids, because

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when they're playing, they're learning so much about their environment

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and themselves. So I'm not gonna get on a soapbox here,

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but you have a lot of parents that are worried

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about learning like letters and words, and your advice is

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always to not worry about that until later. Yeah, there's

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no rush. I mean, read them lots of books. Make

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them love reading, because that's maybe the most important skill

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they're going to carry on and teach them to love

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school because they're going to be in school for a

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long time. So have fun with it while you can.

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That is very good advice. You're very wise. Yeah, I

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mean have fun at every stage in life, but especially preschool. Absolutely.

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Why did make you a snack? I made a special

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Emma snack. Do you want to guess what it might be?

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Is it something lemony? It might be lemone.

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I made you some lemon white chocolate cookies. Remember the

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Levon Bakery cookies.

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Yes, this is a knockoff from Levan recipe. Or you look?

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You look very excited. I really am. You know lemon

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desserts are my favorite. Well, we'll try this really quickly

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and we'll be right back. So what did you think

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of the cookie? It was delicious. I feel like if

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there was one cookie in the world made for me,

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this would be it.

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Aw I saw the recipe a few weeks ago. I'd

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even dying to make them for you because I was

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hoping that you would like them.

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Well, it was amazing, So thank you so much. What

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would you rate it? Nine point five out of ten? Wow? Okay,

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all right, what would I have to do to get

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a ten? Honestly, if it was fresh out of the oven,

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it might be a ten. Oh okay, all right, Well

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we will post the recipe just as a side note.

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I think I double the amount of lemon zest. And

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I might have doubled the amount of lemon because the

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recipe suggested lemon extract and we didn't have any, But

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you got the lemon essence out of the cookie. Yeah,

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I think it was just enough.

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So what do you have planned for me for Mother's Day?

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Well, we asked you, and to be honest, I'm not

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really sure. I mean, I know we're going to clean

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the house. You're a really good cleaner. Maybe we'll go

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for a walk, thank you, I do.

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Aren't you going to admit what you're actually doing on

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Mother's Day? Are you too embarrassed?

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Oh? Goodness, well, I'm not embarrassed about it, but it

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is kind of weird that I'm going to this wedding

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and I'm just a plus one and when I was invited,

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I didn't realize that it was on Mother's Day.

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Yeah, it's a little weird to get married on Mother's Day.

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Right, and on a Sunday too. I mean, I'm not

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trying to trash these people that were nice enough to

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have me at their wedding, but yeah.

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Till everyone like the other weird thing about the wedding, Well.

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There is a list of suggested colors to wear, and

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it's all things like coral or salmon, dusty rose.

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And you're also a red pine and bravery. We're both

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pale redheads, and those aren't like the best colors for us, right.

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None of them will look good. And I mean except

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for ivory maybe, but I'm not gonna wear ivory to

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someone's wedding, Like, that's so close to white. What are

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you going to wear? And it's formal too, right, Yes,

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it's it's formal. I will be wearing a blue dress,

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which I feel like is the opposite end of the

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spectrum of all of those colors, but it's one of

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the few colors I feel confident in. So sorry, well,

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I have no doubt that you will look beautiful and

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you'll have a wonderful time. Well, thank you, but you

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know I'll be missing you every second nail you will

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I'll request one of your favorite songs. What do you

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want daydream Believer?

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Sure that would be a great one. All right, are

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you ready to get into the case.

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Yes, yes I am. I just nodded, but I forgot

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I had to talk. Well, I'm going to tell you

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a really horrible story, and I apologize to everyone listening.

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I didn't realize how brutal and graphic this story was

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until I was kind of knee deep into the research.

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My primary source for this episode is a book called

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Let's Kill Momana Fielder, and she did a very good

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job telling the story. Donna changed several people's names in

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the story, and I didn't want to reveal their identities

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because they didn't want their identities revealed. So I'm just

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staying with the names that Donna used, and those.

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Names are Amy White, Merrily White, Kate Morton, and Steven Morton.

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And again to warn you, this is a hard, one,

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very graphic story.

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Well, you know, true crime isn't really my favorite thing

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to listen to, yeah, in my free time, but I

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don't know. Something about you telling it to me makes

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it a little more palatable.

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But okay, I appreciate that you have been a huge

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supporter of our podcast. You and your brother are both

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and we are very grateful for both of you.

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Oh well, I'm happy to be a love Mary kill

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nepo baby. Sorry, all right, let's get into it.

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On September twenty eighth, two thousand and eight, the small

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town of Roanoke, Texas, woke to a tragedy almost too

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brutal to believe it would shake the community to its core.

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Susan Bailey, forty three, a single mother who juggled two

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jobs and several side hustles to keep her family afloat,

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was found murdered inside her home, the place she had

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fought so hard to build, maintain, and hang on to

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for her children. Police had been by several times days

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earlier to do welfare checks, but no one ever answered

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the door. Susan was found that morning, lying face down

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on the carpeted hallway of her home. It appeared that

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she had been lying there for several days, as the

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blood surrounding the outline of her body was dried and crusted,

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the smell of death hanging heavily in the air. Rigor

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mortis had set in and had almost completely left her body,

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indicating that she had been there for at least twenty

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four hours since her death, and likely more than forty

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eight liver mortis had settled into her face and abdomen.

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She had a contusion over her left eye from blunt

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force trauma. A ragged neck wound seemed to be the

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source of the blood spatter, but later it was learned

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that she'd been stabbed more than twenty times and her

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throat had deep slash wounds. Not far from Susan's body

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was a bathroom where three cell phones and a butcher's

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knife were found at the bottom of the bathtub, filled

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with several.

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Inches of water.

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There was no sign of forest entry or signs of

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an intruder. It wasn't a stranger who ended Susan's life.

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It was her own daughter, seventeen year old Jennifer, along

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with Jennifer's troubled boyfriend, Paul, sixteen, and Susan's youngest child, David,

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just thirteen, whose innocent face masked a growing storm inside.

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Paul was no ordinary teenager. He had a history of violence,

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a disturbing obsession with death, and claimed he'd once been

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an executioner in a past life. David, still just a boy,

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was floundering in school, acting out and wrestling with behavioral

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issues that no one had managed to rein in. He too,

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played a role in the murder of his mother. Susan

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and Jennifer had fought often. Money was tight, tensions were high.

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Susan's long hours away at work left the kids too

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much time, too little suits, provision, and simmering resentments. One night,

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it all boiled over after Susan's succumbed to her injuries.

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The teenagers fled, stealing her car, taking the family dog,

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and heading north to South Dakota, as if distance could

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erase what they had done. But beneath the whorror lay deeper,

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harder questions. How had a home built on love turned

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into a battleground and what darkness could twist a child's

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heart into seeing their own mother as the enemy?

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How you doing so far? I feel like this is

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gearing up to be very intense, But it's interesting how

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the children have the same age gap as me and brother. So.

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Susan Bailey grew up just outside Saint Paul, Minnesota, the

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second of four children. She had an older sister and

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two younger brothers. From a young age, she showed a

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gift for music, playing both the violin and the clarinet.

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Summers were spent at her grandparents resort, where she cleaned cabins,

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hooked meals, and helped with landscaping. But it wasn't all work.

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Susan and her siblings had plenty of time to swim, fish,

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boat and play games. After high school, Susan enrolled in

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a community college, focusing on business and accounting. She dreamed

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of working in the fashion industry. While in school, she

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took a job in the Levi's store, combining her love

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of fashion with a strong work ethic. By the late

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nineteen eighties, Susan was ready for a change. Tired of

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the long, snowy Minnesota winters and craving a fresh start,

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she packed up and moved to California. She landed a

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job at a clothing store and soon became a stylist.

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Her customers loved her eye for fashion, especially the outfits

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she put together featuring her favorite color, pink. Not long after,

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she met Richard Bailey, a slight man with brown hair,

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brown eyes, and a small mustache. He was in the

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Air Force. In March nineteen eighty eight, Susan surprised her

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parents with the phone call She and Richard were married.

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Married life meant frequent moves, and Susan's college dreams were

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soon put on hold as she followed Richard's military career.

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In nineteen ninety, Richard left the Air Force and joined

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the Coast Guard. That same year, their first child, Jennifer,

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was born. Susan continued working in retail, often juggling long

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hours to support their growing family. After a brief stint

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with the Coast Guard, the Baileies moved in with Richard's

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parents in San Bernardino, California. Richard worked off and on,

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but never held a job for long. Susan, always driven,

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became a store manager at Jay Jacob's, a trendy boutique

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for teen girls. Four years after Jennifer's birth, their son, David,

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was born. While Susan worked, Richard's father helped take care

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of the children. In nineteen ninety seven, Susan was offered

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a promotion to district manager, overseeing stores across Oklahoma, Texas,

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and Louisiana. The family relocated to the Dallas Fort Worth area.

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Susan traveled often for work, while Richard and the children

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stayed behind. They hated Texas, often talking about how much

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they missed California, but Susan was the family's main source

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of income, and the job was in Texas, there was

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no going back. They eventually settled in Roanoke, a small

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town of about ten thousand known as the unique Dining

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Capital of Texas, with more than sixty restaurants in shops. Wait,

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hold on, so, by unique dining cap do they mean

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like novelty restaurants, like unique restaurants or can you explain that?

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Do you know anything more?

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Well, that is a good question, and I don't quite

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have an answer for you. But the town is about

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twice the size of our.

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Town, and how many restaurants are in our town, like

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fifteen maybe, so to have sixty, I think it means

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that per capita, there's just a lot of restaurants, and

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maybe there's a few unique ones in there too. Okay, Yeah,

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I was thinking maybe it meant they had like a

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like a robot restaurant something like that.

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But it's one of those things we talk about a

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lot in her family, how restaurants are so boring and

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we need more fun restaurants. Right, Yes, there should be

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a karaoke restaurant, like you said, a robot restaurant, or

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just restaurants that are more fun.

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Yeah. Well, anyway, the family built a three thousand square

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foot home in a quiet, family friendly neighborhood with a

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park just across the street. Susan had a talent for

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interior design and made the house warm and welcoming. She

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even sewed all the curtains herself. I think you did

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that one time. On I did sew some curtains. Yes, well,

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you're also a great homemaker. Oh that's very very generous

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of you. Sorry, I feel like I'm being extra nice

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to you because of the whole wedding thing. But anyway,

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to get back into the case, you're always nice to me. Well,

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you know, usually you're not always to me either, But

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we don't want to go there right now. We're gonna

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keep it cute, okay. So the family became close friends

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of neighbors, especially the Aiken and Barnes families, whose children

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were around the same age as Jennifer and David. For

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a while, life felt full and hopeful. It was a

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good time.

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Unfortunately, the big, beautiful house in Roanoke quickly became more

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than the Baileys could afford. Susan did everything she could

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to keep the family afloat, She picked up sewing jobs,

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started selling Mary Kay cosmetics, and stretched every dollar as

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far as it could go. Richard remained mostly unemployed, though

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he took some college classes and looked after the kids. Occasionally,

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his family sent money to help. As Jennifer and David

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moved into adolescence, the strain inside the home started to show.

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Jennifer began stealing small things, at first from friends' houses.

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Kim Aken, one of Susan's closest friends and neighbor, confronted

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her directly. She didn't want to burden Susan any more

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than she already was. Sometimes Jennifer admitted to taking the item,

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and other times she flatly denied it. David, always a

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small and sensitive boy, was struggling too. He was getting

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into fights and still wetting the bed well into his

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school years, a source of embarrassment for him and frustration

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for the family. One night, while Susan was away on

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a business trip, Richard woke Jennifer in the middle of

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the night and told her to change her brother's soiled sheets.

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Yikes, Richard sounds like a dead beat.

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He's not a good guy. No, Well, things got worse.

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Susan lost her job Jay Jacob's, the teen clothing chain

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where she'd work for years, went bankrupt and closed all

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of its stores. She quickly found a new position at

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Lane Bryan, a plus sized clothing retailer, but it didn't

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pay nearly what she'd been making. To make up the difference,

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she also picked up part time hours at bed Bath

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and Beyond.

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Do you remember bed Bath and Beyond. It's crazy that

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all of those stores closed. I know.

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So Susan was exhausted, always working, always behind. But for Susan,

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working long hours was easier than being home. Retention filled

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the air, and fights seemed to erupt over everything. She

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was stretched impossibly thin, carrying the weight of the household finances,

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much of the parenting duties, household tasks, and the emotional

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fallout from a home that felt like it was slowly

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coming apart. So Susan was working both of these jobs,

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but then she would have to come home and she

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would still have to clean, and she did a lot

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of the cooking, and that was That's a lot.

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Yeah, that is a lot. I don't know how anyone

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can be apparent in work full time, let alone deal

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with all of this.

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Yeah, it feels really ton me too. So Cosmo has

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entered the room. Do you think this is too graphic

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for him?

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I don't think he's processing much of.

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What we're saying at all. Either you're saying he's simple, or.

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He could have a much darker mind than we comprehend.

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But I think Clover has the darker watching anyway. Yeah.

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By two thousand and six, as Susan had endured more

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than she could take, she filed for a divorce. Richard

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didn't even bother to show up for court. He didn't

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fight for custody, he didn't ask for visitation. Susan was

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awarded full custody of the children in ownership of the house.

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Richard was ordered to pay child support, but it offered

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little relief. He never kept a job long enough for

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payments to be consistent or meaningful. While Susan worked long

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hours to cover the bills, much of the responsibility for

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David and the household tasks fell on Jennifer, now deep

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into her teenage years. Jennifer resented being forced into the

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role of caregiver. She didn't hide it, and Susan, exhausted

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and stretched thin, couldn't fix it. When Susan was home

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the tension didn't let up. Mother and daughter clash constantly.

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Their fights were loud and bitter, echoing through the house

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like a warning sign. David, now in middle school, continued

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to spiral. He got into fights at school and rarely

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turned in his homework. More troubling, he had started to

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self harm. Susan tried to connect with her children, carving

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out time for the few things they all enjoyed, watching

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movies together or reading. Those quiet shared moments offered a

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glimpse of peace, but they were few and far between.

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Her job demanded everything she had, and there simply weren't

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enough hours in the day to hold the family together.

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Other than her frequent arguments with her mother, Jennifer had

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mostly stayed out of serious trouble. She got decent grades,

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had a solid group of friends, and while she wasn't

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particularly popular, she was well liked. That began to change

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during her senior year when she started dating a boy

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named Paul Henson, a junior who was a year behind

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her in school. To put it bluntly, Paul was the

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kind of kid many parents would find alarming. Tall and skinny,

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with long, unkept black hair, buck teeth, and a blank

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unsettling stare. Paul dressed entirely in black and seemed obsessed

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with the macabre. He claimed he'd been an executioner in

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a past life. He was fascinated by vampires and dark fantasy,

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and he fully embraced the East subculture of the time.

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Most emo people I know are pretty chill, but he

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sounds little intense, are a lot intense. One friend described

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him this way quote he was easy going, but he

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had a temper. Sometimes he punched walls. Another friend joke

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that Paul had two personalities, one being Paul the laid

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back kid, and the other Tallos, a moody, aggressive alter ego.

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Once they began dating, Jennifer and Paul would hang out

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with friends to play Dungeons and Dragons and other role

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playing games. They shared a love of fantasy novels, and

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soon they were wearing matching dog collars engraved with each

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other's names. To her friends, Jennifer didn't seem like someone

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who'd fall into the goth scene. She dressed in bright colors,

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smiled off, and still came across as upbeat, but she

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did start to shift on other ways. Most notably, she

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began identifying as wickan Wicca meaning, which is a modern

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nature based pagan religion that emerged in the twentieth century.

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It emphasizes spiritual connection to nature, seasonal festivals, and the

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practice of magic wickeds oft in honor a goddess and

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a God, and follow ethical guidelines like the Wickan Creed quote.

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And it harmed none to what ye will.

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Practices very widely, from group rituals and covens to solitary

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spell work, and there's no single authority governing the religion. Still,

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for Susan, Paul was a red flag from the start,

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and the changes she saw in Jennifer only deepened her concern.

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Their fights intensified. She forbade Paul from entering their home,

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hoping to set a boundary, but it only drove Jennifer

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further away. She ran away from home at least eight times.

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Each time she was found at the same place, the

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small trailer Paul shared with his father and stepmother.

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What had once been.

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Teenage angst and growing pains was now something darker and

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more dangerous, and Susan, already overwhelmed and exhausted, was losing

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control of the one thing that mattered most, her daughter,

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Are you having a lot of empathy for Susan.

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Right now, Yes, definitely.

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She sounds like she's completely overwhelmed and exhausted, but also

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for Jennifer too, because it sounds like she was forced

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to care for her brother a lot of the time,

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and it's hard having a boyfriend that your mom doesn't

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approve of, even if he's a little crazy. Paul just

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seems like a walking red flag.

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We'll be back after a break. Enter Merrily White, a

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freshman at the same high school as Jennifer and Paul.

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She and Paul became close friends, often tagging along and

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becoming a third wheel in his relationship with Jennifer. Jennifer

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resented having to share Paul's attention, but he came up

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with a bizarre solution. He told the girls that his

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two distinct personalities were each in love with one of them.

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Merrily believed she was dating the darker alter ego. Eventually,

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Paul convinced them to form a threesome, and all three

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believed they had been lovers in a past life. Oh jeez.

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In two thousand and eight, Jennifer graduated from high school.

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Her grandparents, Kate and Stephen Morton, traveled from Minnesota for

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the ceremony, as did her mostly absent father Richard. During

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the visit, the Mortons offered to take thirteen year old

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David back with them for the summer. They now ran

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the Lakeside resort, where Susan had worked as a teen,

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and she was thrilled by the idea David, glued to

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video games could use a change of scenery and some

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real life adventure. Jennifer had plans to attend the Art

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Institute of Dallas that fall, but the tuition was steep.

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Susan took on extra hours at work to help, while

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Jennifer worked too, trying to save up. There wasn't enough

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money for Jennifer to live on campus, so she would

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have to commute. Susan couldn't afford another car, so she'd

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have to take public transportation. Jennifer was deeply angry about this.

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She wanted her freedom more than anything else. Freedom from rules,

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from supervision, and especially from her mother. Paul remained a

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constant source of conflict between them. Susan couldn't understand what

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her daughter saw in him, but eventually stopped trying to intervene.

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No matter what she said, Jennifer found ways to see

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him anyway. Meanwhile, David was enjoying life at the summer resort,

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spending more time outdoors and learning new skills. Grandma Kate

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was happy until he had a meltdown when she wouldn't

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buy him a snorkeling set. He eventually got over it,

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but it was symbolic of how the rest of the

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summer would go, and she would never forget how irate

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he became when he didn't get his way. Susan had

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generously bought both Jennifer and David's cell phones. Their first

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bill was over seventeen hundred dollars as both teenagers went

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way over their data plans. I'll remember when you didn't

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have unlimited data. It was tough. Yeah. Then Susan found

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her checking account was overdrawn by two hundred dollars. She

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called her bank, confused. There was no way this was possible.

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She knew her balance to the penny. The bank informed

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her that there were several checks drawn on the account.

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Jennifer had stolen checks from her mother and forged her signature.

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She claimed that she'd borrowed because her paycheck was late

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from her fast food job, but Jennifer had actually quit

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the job weeks earlier. Poor Susan was exhausted. In September

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two thousand and eight. Without Susan Bailey's knowledge, Paul Henson

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and Merrily White were living in her house. David kept

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their secret. Susan was almost always at work, so the

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teens had the run of the house. They had sex,

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played video games in Dungeons and Dragons all day. They

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spent the day complaining about their parents and dreaming about

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their futures. If only their parents would leave them alone

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forever so they could live their lives in peace. We

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need to get rid of them. Let's kill them all.

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It started as a joke, but then it grew serious.

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It really would solve everything. They could run away to

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Canada and start a new life. They decided to start

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with Susan Bailey. She was the worst parent, Jennifer insisted.

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Jennifer demanded that David be included in the plot, not

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wanting to leave him behind despite his annoyances. The plan

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came to them electrocute Susan in the bathtub, shoot Paul's

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father and stepmother, and stabbed Merrily's mother in her sleep.

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But on the third day of Merrily's disappearance, her mother,

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Amy desperate and afraid, drove from her home in Fort

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Worth to Roanoke to search for her. She finally spotted Merrily,

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just fourteen years old, wandering the street in a daze.

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Amy pulled over, forced her into the car, and took

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her home. Marrily was frantic, ranting about vampires and tangled

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past lives involving Jennifer and Paul. She referred to Paul

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as her scarecrow god. Completely overwhelmed, Amy didn't know what

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else to do, so she called the police. When the

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officers arrived, they talked with Merrily and made her promise

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00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.200
to not run away again. She agreed. It appeared her

472
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:44.680
breakdown stemmed from Paul and Jennifer ending their relationship with her.

473
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.279
Amy White awoke early the next morning to a terrifying

474
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.799
sight Merrily looming over her with a large butcher's knife

475
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.599
in her hands, raised over her head and ready to strike.

476
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.799
She demanded the car keys and money. Amy was able

477
00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.480
to escape and call nine one one. On the recording,

478
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:02.039
the dispatcher heard yelling.

479
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.000
Put that knife down. What the hell do you think

480
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:04.559
you're doing?

481
00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:07.359
Throw it down, Give me your cell phone and the

482
00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.200
car keys. I have to go with them. I'm not

483
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:14.000
giving you my car. You are not driving. We were

484
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.000
all supposed to go and you ruined it. That third

485
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.880
grade drama camp really paid off. It's too bad I

486
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.759
never became a movie star. Never too late, Darling. The

487
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.799
police arrived and took Merrily away to a juvenile detention

488
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.559
center and charged her with an aggravated robbery. Thirteen year

489
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:33.160
old David also got in trouble that day. He'd brought

490
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.920
a knife to school. Someone told the principal and he

491
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:39.319
received a three day suspension, and later that day police

492
00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:41.960
went to the Bailey's home looking for Paul. His father

493
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.279
had finally reported him and his gun missing. Susan was

494
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.799
adamant with police that he was not allowed in her

495
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.440
house and she would have known if he'd been hiding

496
00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:53.480
out there. Law enforcement told Susan they needed to search

497
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.200
for the lost gun. They didn't find the gun, but

498
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.920
found Paul's suit case and wallet stashed in Jennifer's closet.

499
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:02.559
Jennifer insisted to the police that she hadn't seen him

500
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:05.480
in days, but they could tell she was lying. Susan

501
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.359
and Jennifer argued openly in front of the police. She

502
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:10.839
was angry because she thought her daughter had broken things

503
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.319
off with Paul. Susan said, I told you, Paul is

504
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:17.440
bad news. You have three choices. You can go to

505
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.240
California to your other grandparents, or you can go to Minnesota,

506
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:24.599
or you can go live with your dad. The officers

507
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.000
searched Jennifer's phone and the suitcases in her closet. It

508
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.480
appeared that she and Paul were serious about running away

509
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.000
from home. Among Paul's belongings in the suitcase were four knives.

510
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.759
Officers also found a prescription bottle of zolaft with the

511
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.680
name Merrily White on the bottle. They did not find Paul.

512
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.440
If they had, maybe the tragic events that followed could

513
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.240
have been stopped. Susan had worked another long day at

514
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.279
two jobs. She returned home just before midnight to an

515
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:54.279
eerily quiet house and walked straight into the trap set

516
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.680
by the teens. Where are the kids, she wondered. Earlier

517
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.480
that night, Paul waited at his father and stepmother's trailer

518
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.240
with the stolen twenty two caliber pistol to make good

519
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.839
on his promise to kill them. He planned to shoot

520
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.680
them both. He waited for hours, but they didn't come home.

521
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.279
Paul didn't have time to wait because he needed to

522
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.279
help Jennifer with the next step of the plan. Luckily

523
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.720
for the Hensons, they decided to go to dinner and

524
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.720
a movie instead of going home after work. When Susan

525
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.680
reached the top of the stairs, someone grabbed her. Three

526
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.559
figures were in the shadowy hallway in front of Jennifer's room,

527
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:30.400
their mouths covered with bandanas. Susan yelled. Jennifer called the police,

528
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.559
not realizing one of the figures was her daughter. Jennifer

529
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.400
began stabbing her mother repeatedly on her front. Susan's eyes

530
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.799
grew big with the realization that her children were trying

531
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.880
to kill her. Paul slit her throat with another knife

532
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.119
and then drew the blade across her neck again for

533
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.440
good measure. The three teenagers were yelling and rooting each

534
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.079
other on the whole time. Susan fell to the ground dead.

535
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:55.559
The day before, Jennifer had made pudding and offered a

536
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.279
bowl to Susan. After just one bite, Susan recoiled. It

537
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.000
was so bitter she couldn't eat another spoonful. Suspicious, she

538
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.880
accused Jennifer of trying to poison her. Jennifer claimed the

539
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.240
milk must have gone bad, but later police discovered the truth.

540
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:12.039
Jennifer had crushed an entire bottle of tile and all

541
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.480
into the pudding, hoping it would knock Susan out so

542
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.680
David could finish the job. The day after the brutal attack,

543
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.119
Friday September twenty sixth, two thousand and eight, at one

544
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:25.000
thirty six pm, officers Shane Norman and Nat Meadows and

545
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.160
Jimmy Hutchinson all drove to the Bailey's house in Roanoke

546
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:31.519
for a welfare check. The house was quiet. It appeared

547
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:34.559
no one was home, not even the dog. Susan's blue

548
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.559
Saturn was missing. The officers weren't aware of the recent

549
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.519
troubles at the house. They radioed back to the department

550
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.480
that they were unable to locate a code that would

551
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.759
activate a future welfare check. At six pm, another officer

552
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:50.160
knocked on the door, and again no one answered. Kate

553
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.160
Morton worried about her daughter and grandchildren all weekend, as

554
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.920
did her coworkers at both of her jobs. She hadn't

555
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.480
shown up at either job. At four thirty pm, Kate,

556
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:02.799
who the emergency contact for the Baileies, got a call

557
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.000
from the Roanoke Police department. She wrote the following later

558
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:09.359
in her journal, quote, David not in school that day,

559
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.079
Jennifer not at work for six weeks. They went by

560
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.759
the house, no activity. They must be all together. Why

561
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.680
are you bothering us? Because it is unusual. Susan didn't

562
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.440
call to say and didn't show or call at work.

563
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.519
Worried and waiting. So she's writing just some brief notes here.

564
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.200
And when she said why are you bothering us?

565
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.839
I think that's what the police were saying to her, like,

566
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.319
you know, what's the problem here? You know, they probably

567
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:38.640
just went out the out of town for the weekend.

568
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.480
That's what the police were probably thinking. There were a

569
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.200
lot of question marks there. Kate felt hopeless in Minnesota.

570
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.759
She was calling their phones endlessly, trying to get a

571
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.559
hold of her daughter or grandchildren.

572
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.359
On Sunday, September twenty eighth and yanked. In South Dakota,

573
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:57.200
an officer working the graveyard shift spotted a blue Saturn

574
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:01.319
at a closed gas station after three as three teens

575
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.079
and a dog were in the car, He asked to

576
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.440
see the driver's license of the boy behind the wheel.

577
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.200
He handed the officer a learner's permit with shaky hands.

578
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.359
The kids all looked petrified. The officer called for back

579
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.599
up and separated the kids into three different patrol cars.

580
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.880
One of the teens, seventeen year old Jennifer Bailey, said

581
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:20.559
they were on their way to see their grandmother in

582
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:24.039
Minnesota but ran out of gas. The police quickly learned

583
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.599
that the driver, Paul Henson, was a runaway from Roanoke, Texas,

584
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.480
and might be in possession of a stolen gun. They

585
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.400
were eight hundred miles from home. I should mention that Jennifer,

586
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.400
even though she was seventeen, did not have her driver's license.

587
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.880
The officers didn't trust Jennifer. She was acting cagey and

588
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.000
her story didn't add up. Eventually, she relented that they

589
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.200
run away and had stolen her mother's car. Jennifer said

590
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.240
that she was worried about her mother because she hadn't

591
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:51.440
been able to get in touch with her. Her mother

592
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.599
had an abusive ex boyfriend named Joe who might have

593
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.960
harmed her. She did not have an abusive ex boyfriend

594
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:02.039
named Joe. The children were into custody while Gington police

595
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.160
tried to figure out what to do with them and

596
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.440
why they had been heading toward Canada in the first place.

597
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.160
After hearing about the three teenagers apprehended in South Dakota

598
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.039
early on Sunday, before the sun was up, the Roanoke

599
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.200
police headed back to the Bailey home again. This time

600
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:20.160
they gained entry through an unlocked window. They found the

601
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.680
Bailey's home was very nice and tastefully decorated. Great care

602
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.559
was taken in choosing the furnishings, but the home was dirty, cluttered,

603
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.559
and in bad repair. Pizza boxes were on the floor,

604
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.880
three gallons of milk sat spoiling on the kitchen island,

605
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.400
and dishes covered every surface. It was clear that Susan

606
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.759
was working long hours and had nothing left to give

607
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:41.880
at the end of the day, and her children did

608
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.559
not help her despite her constant please. Other than the mess,

609
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.319
nothing remarkable was found on the first floor. As they

610
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.160
climbed the stairs to the second floor, they found Susan

611
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:54.839
laying face down on the carpet. Three cellphones and a

612
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.559
knife were found in the partially filled bath tub. In

613
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:01.039
the primary bathroom, a towel filled with dark hair was

614
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.000
lying atop a hamper. It appeared that Paul had given

615
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:08.119
himself a hasty haircut to alter his appearance. Because the

616
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.720
roano PD had never handled a homicide before, and the

617
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:15.359
grisly nature of the crime scene. The officers were emotional

618
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.119
and queasy. It was hard to fathom children killing their mother.

619
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.440
The officers had just met Susan days before, and she

620
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.440
seemed like a kind woman who tried her best to

621
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.200
provide for her children. Matricide, the act of a child

622
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.640
killing their mother, is among the rarest forms of homicide

623
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:34.839
in the United States. It accounts for less than two

624
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.920
percent of all murders where the relationship between victim an

625
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.680
offender is known, totaling three to five hundred cases a year,

626
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.400
and when it comes to daughters killing their mothers, the

627
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.279
numbers drop even lower. Girls are responsible for only one

628
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.839
to two percent of these already rare crimes. By contrast,

629
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:56.240
around seventy percent of parricides involves sons killing their fathers.

630
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:00.119
Research from the US and Canada confirms that mattrisside it

631
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.119
is far less common than patricide, and when it does happen,

632
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.559
it almost always occurs inside the family home. The typical

633
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.880
offender is an adult sun most often white, between the

634
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.720
ages of twenty and fifty, with no prior record of

635
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.799
violent crimes. Teenage daughters are the least likely group to

636
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:20.680
commit matricide. Victims are usually older women between the ages

637
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.319
of forty and ninety five years old, with the average

638
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.880
around sixty one. The most common weapons used are blunt instruments, knives,

639
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.200
or firearms. Mental illness plays a major role in many

640
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:35.160
of these crimes. Over half of matricide offenders are diagnosed

641
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:41.200
with serious psychiatric conditions, most commonly schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders.

642
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.680
In fact, roughly seventy percent of matricide cases are believed

643
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:48.319
to be driven by delusional thinking or psychosis, one of the.

644
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:49.559
Most chilling aspects.

645
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.440
Nearly three quarters of these killings happen without a warning sign,

646
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.240
and in about thirty percent of cases, the murder is

647
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.880
followed by the offender taking their own life. Adolescents under

648
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.200
eighteen make up about fifteen percent of matricide offenders, so

649
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.559
when a teenage girl is involved in the murder of

650
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.800
her mother, it stands out not just as tragic but

651
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:14.360
as a statistical exception. Oftentimes, the daughter's boyfriend is the

652
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.840
one who ultimately takes the mother's life. So we have matricide,

653
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:21.159
which is killing of mother, patricide which is killing of

654
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.280
the father, and parricide, which is just a general term

655
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:25.719
for killing one's parents.

656
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:26.639
Good to know.

657
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.199
When Susan's body was discovered, it quickly became clear that

658
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.599
Roanoke's small police force was in over its head. They

659
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.280
called in the Texas Rangers, the most experienced and respected

660
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.280
law enforcement officers in the state. There was no sign

661
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.400
of forest entry and nothing had been stolen except for

662
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:47.559
Susan's blue Saturn. That fact, combined with the circumstances, made

663
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.719
it clear that the teens were the only real suspects.

664
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.400
In Texas, when murder is committed alongside another felony like

665
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.679
stealing a car, it isn't just murder. It becomes capital murder.

666
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:02.239
Had Jennifer, David and While only killed Susan without committing

667
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.800
any other crimes, they would have faced first degree murder charges,

668
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.480
but because they also stole Susan's car and credit cards,

669
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.760
the charges were elevated to capital murder, making them eligible

670
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.400
for the harshest penalty under Texas law, the death penalty.

671
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.480
Despite their age. Oh man, even the youngest, like he

672
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:25.119
was thirteen, right he was thirteen? Yeah, I can't believe

673
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:26.880
they thought they would get away with it. I mean,

674
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.719
obviously their children, but still, well, I don't think the

675
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.159
thirteen year old, he probably wouldn't have been eligible for

676
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:35.199
the death penalty, but I think the other two would have.

677
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:39.039
Because I'm I'll read on from the onset. Investigators were

678
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:42.559
convinced the trio had killed Susan, but belief wasn't enough.

679
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.400
They needed to build a meticulous case, ensuring no piece

680
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.400
of evidence was missed and every link to the teens

681
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:54.199
was clearly established. As investigators canvassed the Bailey's neighborhood, most

682
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.679
residents described the family as quiet and withdrawn. They noted

683
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.920
that while the Baileys had once been friendly with several families,

684
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.840
things had changed after the divorce. One recent and disturbing

685
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:09.800
incident involved neighbors witnessing David's streaking through the backyard while masturbating.

686
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.880
Another neighbor shared a rumor that David had killed the

687
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.039
family's cat, which notably had never been found.

688
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.119
Okay, so he killed their cat and he was a budwetter.

689
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.119
Isn't that part of that? The triad? What's it called?

690
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:24.960
McDonald triad? Oh?

691
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.119
I think fire setting is also is the third component

692
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.039
of that. I believe it has been largely disproven, though

693
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:34.840
interesting and at the end, we're going to talk about

694
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.719
the cat again. After his son's arrest, Paul Henson Senior

695
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:41.239
said quote, I don't think my son is that stupid

696
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.079
or that crazy. I got a strange feeling that he

697
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:45.360
was not involved in it.

698
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:47.079
I think he got caught.

699
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.320
In a web of things. When he was interviewed by police,

700
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.079
Paul insisted that he hadn't been in the house at

701
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.559
the time of the murder. He claimed that David had

702
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:59.079
been the one who killed Susan, but forensic tests revealed

703
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.480
that the frayed why of an extension cord dangling over

704
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.000
the bathtub contained his DNA, and at least one of

705
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.320
his fingerprints in Susan's blood was found. When they asked

706
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.719
where he hit his father's gun, he said it was

707
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:15.440
in the Bailey's attic, and police later recovered the gun there.

708
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.039
The crime scene inside the Bailey home resembled a house

709
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.719
of whoors. It was immediately clear this wasn't a spontaneous

710
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.039
act of violence. Investigators uncovered multiple chilling plots that children

711
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.360
had devised to kill Susan. A rancid, moldy bowl of

712
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.400
poisoned pudding sat on the kitchen counter. Why are you laughing?

713
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.760
With a smaller dish found in Susan's bathroom. An extension

714
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:42.360
cord dangled ominously over a bathtub filled with water, an

715
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:47.000
apparent plan for electrocution. A baseball bat lay on Jennifer's

716
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:50.079
bed with a knife hidden beneath it. Another knife was

717
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:54.119
discovered tucked under the living room couch cushions. The children

718
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:57.519
hadn't just killed Susan. They had carefully considered and prepared

719
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.360
for several different ways to do it. So can you

720
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.280
visually have like traps set everywhere?

721
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.760
Like well, if we can't get her with the baseball

722
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.840
bat and the knife, we'll get her this way, you know, Yes,

723
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:11.079
have multiple sociopathic home alone basically exactly.

724
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.199
Susan had been stabbed multiple times in the back of

725
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.000
her head and neck. Blood spatter in the hallway indicated

726
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.159
the violence had started there, but the relatively small amount

727
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.840
of sprays suggested that Susan had died quickly. Still, so

728
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:26.679
much blood had soaked into the carpet that days later

729
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.519
it remained wet in spots. A crusted over, bloody outlines

730
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.760
surrounded Susan's body. The distinct chemical scent of cleaning products

731
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.960
hung on her clothing nearby. Three bandanas, likely used by

732
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.719
the teens to hide their faces, were found discarded near

733
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:46.199
Susan's body. A particularly disturbing detail was a long, smeared

734
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.440
blood transfer on the carpet, as though one of the

735
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.079
kids had wiped their hands clean directly on the floor.

736
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.800
Bloody fingerprints were found on the hallway walls, in the bathroom,

737
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.599
and on Jennifer's bed. A bar of soap bore deep

738
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.920
crescent shaped gouges from fingernails into it. Band Aid wrappers

739
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.719
were strewn throughout the house, evidence that at least one

740
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.400
of the killers had been injured during the attack. Investigators

741
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.639
quickly determined that the cleanup had been deliberate. A bottle

742
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.400
of Formula four O nine cleaner was recovered, along with

743
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.159
a walnut receipt timestamped five thirty five PM from the

744
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.679
day of the murder. Surveillance footage showed David riding his

745
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.800
bike to make the purchase, which also included a pack

746
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.559
of playing cards. Detectives believed the teens had attempted to

747
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.039
wipe down the murder weapon and their cell phones to

748
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.639
eliminate fingerprints in DNA, but then decided to submerge them

749
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.039
in the tub to destroy them. This detail was crucial.

750
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:43.199
It showed premeditation and David's active participation in the plot.

751
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:48.360
Officer sees everything that could hold potential evidence, the family's computers,

752
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:53.320
both Susan's and Jennifer's, wallets, notebooks, binders, computer discs, and

753
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.000
all the knives in the home. A pile of Paul's

754
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:58.639
cut hair and the freight extension cord were also bagged

755
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.079
as evidence. Jennifer's hiss bedroom door had visible blood spray

756
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:05.079
and was taken off its hinges and seized. Chunks of

757
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:09.360
drywall and bathroom tile with bloody fingerprints were literally chiseled

758
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:13.440
out for forensic analysis. One item that puzzled investigators at

759
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.679
first was a school id belonging to Merrily White. No

760
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:19.239
one at the scene could immediately explain who she was

761
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:20.000
or how she.

762
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:21.119
Was connected to the crime.

763
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.480
Authorities moved quickly in order to ensure that Jennifer, David,

764
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:26.760
and Paul would be held in custody. The State of

765
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:29.840
Texas charged all three with capital murder. The trio were

766
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.199
being held at a juvenile detention facility in Sioux Falls

767
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.400
awaiting extradition back to Texas. In South Dakota, the teens

768
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.840
getaway vehicle. Susan's blue Saturn was searched, was cluttered with

769
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.320
clothing to scarted, fast food wrappers, and a few personal items.

770
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:45.880
Oddly, the teens.

771
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.239
Had brought very little in the way of warm clothes,

772
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:52.559
despite their apparent plan to escape to Canada. Investigators found

773
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.960
one of Susan's credit cards in the car, but one

774
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.679
thing that was missing was Paul Henson's pistol. Officers later

775
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.440
returned to the Bailey home armed with Luco crystal violet,

776
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.280
a chemical that reveals bloodstains even after they've been cleaned.

777
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.880
The bathroom surfaces lit up with a tail purple glow.

778
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.039
The showers, the tub, even the walls all were streaked

779
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.400
and spotted. The teens had apparently showered after the murder.

780
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.400
According to detective Brian Peterson, quote, those kids had a

781
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.440
lot of blood on them. I hate to think what

782
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.079
they might have done to her. They are the spawn

783
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.039
of Satan. The horror didn't done there. A neighbor who

784
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.960
volunteered to mowd the Bailey's now overgrown lawn had made

785
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.559
another grizzly discovery. There were two more knives hidden in

786
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.599
the grass. Searches of Paul and Marilen's homes followed. In

787
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.039
Paul's room, surprisingly tidy, police found a book titled The

788
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.599
Demonic Bible, and notes and other documents that proved that

789
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.719
they had been plotting Susan's murder.

790
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.920
For some time. In Merrily's home, two.

791
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.239
Computers and hand written notes were taken by police. We'll

792
00:41:53.280 --> 00:42:04.559
be back after a break. Sorry, this case is so heavy.

793
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:09.599
Yeah, there's something especially disturbing about mattricide. But I was

794
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.559
thinking about Paul and how he thinks he was an

795
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.719
executioner in a last life. I think he's gonna end

796
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.639
up being a cockroach in his next life. Let's hope so,

797
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.000
and hope we get stepped on. An autopsy was performed

798
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.239
nearly a week after Susan's murder. The Texas heat had

799
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.800
accelerated the process of decomposition, and many of her internal

800
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.679
organs had broken down, making a grim task even more difficult.

801
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:36.239
The pathologist's findings told a horrific and detailed story. Susan

802
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.239
had been stabbed at least twenty six times from the

803
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.039
front and the back, in an attack that could only

804
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.800
be described as frenzied. The wounds on the front of

805
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.159
her body were shallower, likely inflicted by Jennifer. On her

806
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:51.920
left side were lighter, almost hesitant scratches, possibly the work

807
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.480
of thirteen year old David, But it was the deep,

808
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.639
forceful stabs to her back that spoke of a stronger

809
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.079
hand Paul. Two of those wound us both on her back,

810
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.960
severed her spinal cord and rendered her completely helpless. As

811
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.960
she was dying or nearly dead, the stabbing had continued.

812
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.360
Her left hand was slashed with defensive wounds a mother

813
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.559
trying desperately to fight off her own children. On her

814
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:19.519
upper chest were five parallel slashes, likely from repeated chaotic strikes.

815
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.519
Behind both of Susan's ears, there were deep gashes that

816
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:26.320
cut through flesh and tissue. Fatal slashes through the carotid

817
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.960
artery and jugular vein nearly decapitated Susan. The most haunting

818
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.599
injuries were clustered at the back of her head, nine

819
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:37.039
stab wounds in total. The pathologists believed that the attacker

820
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.239
had tried and failed to drive a flimsy knife through

821
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.400
the bone of her skull. One blade had bent under

822
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.559
the pressure. It was an act of violence, both brutal

823
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:51.039
and clumsy, carried out with desperation, fury, or both. Okay,

824
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:52.960
you did a good job with that. That was really

825
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:56.880
hard and graphic. Yeah. The official cause of death was

826
00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:59.960
listed as multiple stab and incised wounds of the neck

827
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.840
caused by an assault by another individual. The manner homicide,

828
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.840
the devastation and depravity that unfolded in that narrow hallway,

829
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.639
a mother surrounded and attacked by her own children and

830
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:15.360
a troubled teenaged boy is beyond comprehension for most of us.

831
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.159
Several members of law enforcement traveled to South Dakota to

832
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.159
visit Paul, Jennifer, and David in the detention center. Jennifer

833
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.280
was icy, belligerent and mostly silent during the interview, but

834
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.360
she did answer one question. When asked why she killed

835
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.599
her mother, she answered, quote, we just didn't see eye

836
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.880
to eye. Jennifer's hands, arms, and back were covered in

837
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.920
scratches and bruises. Susan it appeared had fought back hard.

838
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:45.400
Paul had a strange wound on his left arm, a long, shallow, gash,

839
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.840
angry and red, stretching across the front of his forearm,

840
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.159
half way between his shoulder and elbow. When an officer

841
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.920
asked about it, Paul shrugged and said he had done

842
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.400
it himself. Just a little cut, he explained, something he

843
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:02.760
would slice open, and then the wound had clearly been

844
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.599
reopened and tended to in the same disturbing way over

845
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.639
and over again. Isn't it gross? It's disgusting. Sounds like

846
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.480
he has some mummy issues too, though, and around his

847
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:15.880
neck he wore a necklace with a small vial on

848
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.719
it filled with what appeared to be blood. Paul was

849
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.639
adamant he had nothing to do with Susan's murder. He

850
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.119
never touched her, he claimed. This made the detectives even

851
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:28.800
more determined to prove that he was involved. Investigators doubted

852
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.760
that David or Jennifer had the strength to inflict some

853
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:36.280
violent stab wounds found on Susan's body. Here's former Roanoke

854
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:40.239
Police detective Brian Peterson talking about interviewing Jennifer and Paul.

855
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:46.960
Paul was not obstinate. He was very uh. He might

856
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.920
not would talk, but he would just set there, hold

857
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:50.920
his head down when he didn't want to talk or

858
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.360
He was never controversial. Now I can tell you when

859
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.239
we'd start talking to Jennifer, her eyes would glaze over

860
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.960
and she would stare a hole through you. I mean,

861
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.920
she was very for a kid that age. It was

862
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:11.719
scary to see the way she would respond to the questions.

863
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.800
I remember she was being really hard toward us in

864
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.639
our interview and Tracy Murphy and he's a good interviewer,

865
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:22.280
and he's got him there and Jennifer's there and she

866
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.599
wasn't breaking and he said, Jennifer, I'm going to tell

867
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.119
you this is your first murder, but this is not

868
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:28.360
my first.

869
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.719
I forgot to mention this earlier. But David, the thirteen

870
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.000
year old, he was really small for his age, and

871
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.480
I don't know if he'd yet reached puberty. He looked

872
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:37.639
more like a ten year old.

873
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.239
So a lot of these stab wounds, and remember Paula

874
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:42.880
is saying that David did a lot of the stabbing.

875
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.360
He would not have been strong enough to make some

876
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.880
of those those slashes, and like the wounds to the

877
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.960
back of her neck and in her skull, he wouldn't

878
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:52.559
have been strong enough to be able to do those.

879
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:56.000
Richard Bailey arrived in South Dakota to pick up Susan

880
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:59.519
Saturn after the police had finished processing it. Ginger, the

881
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.679
dog had been kept at an animal shelter Richard didn't

882
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.039
want the dog and relinquished his rights. She was probably

883
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.599
put down. Richard didn't want anything to do with his

884
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:12.199
children either. He returned to Minnesota and didn't see them.

885
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.039
Don't you kind of hate Richard? Yeah, I mean you

886
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.920
have to wonder how different things might have been if

887
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.000
he stuck around. On October first, three officers drove two

888
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.360
squad cars from Roanoke, Texas, to Yankton, South Dakota to

889
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.360
retrieve Jennifer, David, and Paul. It was an eleven hour trip.

890
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.119
Once back in Texas, the boys were booked in Denton

891
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:36.719
County Juvenile Detention Center. Jennifer, days away from her eighteenth birthday,

892
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.559
was booked in a jail for women. Jennifer cried through

893
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.679
the night, and when a guard asked what was wrong,

894
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:46.320
she said, quote, I want my mom. That is very sad. Yeah,

895
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.559
it makes me wonder if she's starting to have some

896
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:51.960
remorse or realizing the weight of what she just did.

897
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.519
I think it's indicative too that she did have love

898
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.239
for her mom, and she realized that her mom was

899
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:03.079
her supportive parents, and Susan's death shadowed her family, especially

900
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.599
her mother Kate, Kate and Susan had always been close,

901
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:07.960
but Susan was so busy with work and the kids,

902
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.559
she hadn't had much time for her. Even when Kate

903
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:13.480
traveled to Texas to visit, their time together was often

904
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.519
stolen by long hours and double shifts. Now they would

905
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:19.360
never get that time back, and even worse, she'd likely

906
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:23.159
lost two of her grandchildren to long prison sentences. Kate

907
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.440
had known there were struggles with the children, but nothing

908
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.320
could have prepared her for the truth. Their betrayal of

909
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.440
their mother cut deeper than she could have imagined. She

910
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:36.400
was disgusted by Jennifer and David, yet torn heartbroken, unsure

911
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:40.000
if she could bring herself to face them. In Minnesota,

912
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:43.119
a memorial service was held for Susan. Kate hadn't known

913
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.519
how to talk to people about the family tragedy and

914
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.960
was overwhelmed by the kindness and empathy of people. Their

915
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.079
warmth didn't erase the pain, but it reminded her she

916
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.199
hadn't been left to face it alone. Later, Kate and

917
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:57.920
several other family members traveled to Texas for a second

918
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.039
service and to face the brutal, painful task of cleaning

919
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:03.800
out the beautiful, comfortable home that Susan had made for

920
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.320
her family. Susan's brother was so angry he threw everything

921
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.920
from Jennifer and David's rooms into the trash.

922
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:11.119
Kate made one.

923
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:14.000
Half hearted attempt to see her grandchildren, but was told

924
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.440
that there were no visiting hours on that day. She

925
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:19.400
never tried to see them again during that visit. I

926
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.800
don't blame Kate here. I think it would be really

927
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.519
hard to see them and not strangle them, you know.

928
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:26.960
I would be so disgusted.

929
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:29.719
After a little time had passed, Kate decided that she'd

930
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.400
start writing letters to her granddaughter. Jennifer wrote back quickly

931
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.119
and said that she'd hope Kate could forgive her some day,

932
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.559
and that she'd found God. In March two thousand and nine,

933
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:41.039
Kate returned to Texas.

934
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:42.079
She saw David.

935
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.000
He was happy to see her and gave her a

936
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.119
big hug while she wept. He said, it's okay, Grandma.

937
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.320
She replied angrily, it is not okay, David. What happened?

938
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:53.559
He said he couldn't talk about it and just wanted

939
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.000
to be happy, which made Kate even angrier. She wanted

940
00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:59.679
him to say he was sorry, but he didn't.

941
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.920
Merrily had made a pact with Paul and Jennifer. None

942
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.400
of them would ever rat out the others, and if

943
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.039
need be, they would all go down together. She was

944
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.599
distraught when she had to break that pack, but she

945
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:12.360
didn't want to go to prison for the rest of

946
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.000
her life, so she talked to the police. She admitted

947
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.679
that the attack was largely planned by herself and Jennifer. Meanwhile,

948
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.920
Paul Henson Junior was in a psychiatric hospital with stress

949
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:25.440
related issues. Authorities needed him to be in better mental

950
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:28.679
health before trying him as an adult. It was impossible

951
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.000
for law enforcement to know exactly what happened on the

952
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.400
night of September twenty fifth, two thousand and eight. The

953
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.840
three teens were tight lipped and told different versions of

954
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.159
the story. Only one thing was certain. Susan Bailey was

955
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.760
dead and Jennifer, Paul, and David were responsible. I guess

956
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:47.800
that's two things. Who writes these things? The goal with

957
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.199
such young defendants is to rehabilitate rather than to punish,

958
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:54.320
but due to the severity of the crime, prosecutors decided

959
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.599
to try Paul sixteen as an adult. After his stint

960
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.519
in the hospital, he was sent to juvenile attention until

961
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.199
a hearing was held, in which he was pronounced a

962
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:06.079
legal adult. Paul was then moved to the adult section

963
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.559
of the Denton County Jail. Can you mention how scared

964
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:11.719
he must have been. I mean, he kind of had

965
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:12.480
it coming, right.

966
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.760
I'm not saying I feel sorry for him, but I'm

967
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.000
just saying he must have been petrified of you know,

968
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:20.599
all these big guys, and you know, here's this little guy.

969
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.719
Well he's tall, but he's really skinny.

970
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.760
Yeah. However, David, at just thirteen at the time of

971
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.679
the horrendous murder, would be tried as a juvenile. When

972
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.039
he turned eighteen, his case would be re examined. None

973
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.000
of the teens were offered bail. It wasn't until two

974
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.800
thousand and five that the Supreme Court changed the ruling

975
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.239
that miners could be sentenced to the death penalty. Before

976
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.639
the Supreme Court intervened, seventy three people were on death

977
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:49.559
row for crimes committed as juveniles. Twenty three in Texas alone,

978
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.440
juveniles could be sentenced to life in prison without the

979
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:56.199
possibility of parole. Up first was Paul Henson Junior. On

980
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.119
June ninth, two thousand and nine, he pleaded guilty to

981
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.559
the reduced crime. I'm of the first degree murder of

982
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.400
Susan Bailey. He confessed to his part in the murder

983
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.320
and also admitted that he and Jennifer forced David to

984
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.360
stab his mother too. He was sentenced to sixty years

985
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.840
in prison. He will be first eligible for parole at

986
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.760
age fifty seven on September twenty sixth, twenty thirty eight.

987
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.159
His official release date, if he is not paroled earlier,

988
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.920
will be September twenty sixth, twenty sixty eight. In his

989
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.400
sign confession, Paul described the attack.

990
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.360
The account of the crime that we talked about earlier

991
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.840
was the what police think happened. And this what you're

992
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:35.400
about to read is.

993
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.000
Paul's accounting of the crime. Oh boy, okay. On the

994
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.400
night of Thursday, September twenty fifth, Susan came through the

995
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.800
front door after a long shift at bed bath and

996
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:48.480
beyond her name tags still pinned to her shirt. Bone tired,

997
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:51.599
she climbed the stairs toward the bedrooms, unaware of what

998
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.639
it was waiting. David stayed hidden in his room. Paul

999
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.280
stood silently in the shadows of the game room, just

1000
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.159
out of sight. Jennifer waited in her doorway, ready to

1001
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.960
greet her mother like nothing was wrong. As Susan reached

1002
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:05.719
the top of the stairs, Paul suddenly lunged at her,

1003
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:09.639
stabbing her from behind. Jennifer joined in, attacking from the front.

1004
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.920
It was a brutal, coordinated assault. David emerged hesitantly with

1005
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.719
a knife and, pushed by the others, made a few

1006
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:20.400
tentative cuts that barely pierced Susan's skin. In the end,

1007
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:22.960
it was Paul who delivered the wounds to Susan's back

1008
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.559
and neck that took her life. In October, a few

1009
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.840
months after Paul's plea deal before her trial was to start,

1010
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.840
Jennifer also accepted a plea deal with the same terms

1011
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.400
as Paul. But so they took the plea deal so

1012
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:38.000
they wouldn't be sentenced to the death penalty. Essentially okay,

1013
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:41.440
But at the plea hearing, Jennifer abruptly changed her mind

1014
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:44.719
and did not accept responsibility for her mother's staff. She

1015
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:49.039
claimed that she watched as Paul stabbed Susan and didn't participate.

1016
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.400
Susan yelled to her call nine when one, but she

1017
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.400
was paralyzed with fear. Paul had unplugged all of the

1018
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.280
phones in the house and forbid her from calling for help.

1019
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:01.480
Jennifer claimed that she bagged Paul to stop and that

1020
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.519
David had stayed in his room during the murder. Jennifer

1021
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:08.119
sobbed on the stand. The prosecutor said that the evidence

1022
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.280
did not support Jennifer's claims, and the judge cautioned her

1023
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.559
that if she didn't admit to her part in the murder,

1024
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.320
that her plea deal would be nullified and that she

1025
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:18.920
would go to trial for capital murder. She had a

1026
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:21.239
few days to make up her mind. When she appeared

1027
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:24.360
in court again, Jennifer repeated the same basic story with

1028
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:27.119
a few minor changes, but the judge must have felt

1029
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.800
sorry for her and accepted her plea deal without Jennifer

1030
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:34.280
accepting responsibility. In late October, David had his day in court.

1031
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:38.119
He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to twenty six years.

1032
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:41.199
When David turned eighteen and twenty thirteen, he was transferred

1033
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:45.159
to the Clemens Unit prison farm in Brazoria County, Texas

1034
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:48.519
in the Greater Houston area. October seventh, twenty thirty four,

1035
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.320
is his projected release date. He was first up for

1036
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.599
parole in twenty twenty one, but it was denied. Jennifer

1037
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:56.639
and David are allowed to write letters to each other.

1038
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.400
David is now thirty. He too found God in prison

1039
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.679
and is in a praise band. Donna Fielder, author of

1040
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.559
Let's Kill Mom, interviewed Jennifer, Paul, and David in prison.

1041
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:11.280
David likely gave her the most accurate account of Susan's murder.

1042
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.960
He had admitted that on the night before her murder,

1043
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.880
Susan had eaten one bite of the pudding after.

1044
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:17.559
She'd fallen asleep.

1045
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:19.719
He went into her room with a knife to stab her,

1046
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.840
but decided he couldn't do it. He also revealed that

1047
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.480
he mixed bleach with the cleaner he'd ridden on his

1048
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:27.880
bike to Walmart to buy, and they'd put a rag

1049
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:31.559
soaked in the solution over Susan's mouth to knock her unconscious,

1050
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.199
and that's actually why they were wearing the bandanas. After

1051
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:38.079
Susan was dead, the teens were all panicked and crying.

1052
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.039
Jennifer was vomiting, which is why they ran out of

1053
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.400
the house so ill prepared. They'd taken Susan's ATM card,

1054
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:46.519
but they didn't know her pin. They were forced to

1055
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.280
beg strangers for money. After the little cash they had

1056
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.519
ran out. David explained his actions, quote.

1057
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.639
In my mind, she hadn't been there for me. Now

1058
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.280
I realized that she had always been there. If I

1059
00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:59.440
had sat down and thought about it, I would have

1060
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.760
realized how stupid I was. But I didn't.

1061
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.280
I was too immature. Words can't express how sorry I am.

1062
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.480
I made a choice and that choice was wrong. Nothing

1063
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.880
will ever excuse it. I have learned to appreciate.

1064
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:11.880
What I had.

1065
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:13.559
Mom loved me so much.

1066
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.440
Sometimes you don't know what you have until you lose it,

1067
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.159
and you can't never get it back. Jennifer followed the

1068
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.920
rules and mostly kept to herself in jail. Before her trial,

1069
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.880
she seemed depressed. She went to church every Sunday and

1070
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.719
maintained that she had found God. She entered into a

1071
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.920
relationship with an older witch inmate who provided her protection.

1072
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.119
I'm sorry if that's I don't know how to say

1073
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.719
that in a PC way, but I don't know if there's.

1074
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:42.199
Any way to say it. I think that's fine.

1075
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:44.920
After her plea deal, she was transferred to the Mountain

1076
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:48.039
View Unit in Gatesville, Texas, and now resigns in the

1077
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:49.960
Hobby Unit prison in Marlin.

1078
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:50.559
Texas.

1079
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.079
Jennifer wanted to take college classes but has been prohibited

1080
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.519
because of the seriousness of her crime. Some inmates are

1081
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.280
actually allowed to go to colleges and take classes during

1082
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:04.639
the day, but I think once you murder someone, you

1083
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.280
know that right is taken away from you. When Donna

1084
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.159
Fielder visited Jennifer in prison, years into her sentence, she

1085
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.360
was the first visitor she'd had in two years. Her

1086
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:18.400
job involves transcribing textbooks into Braille, which she takes great

1087
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:21.719
pride in. Texas does not pay inmates for their work,

1088
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.719
so she has no money in her commissary account. In

1089
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:27.440
her free times, she likes to draw and play volleyball.

1090
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:31.440
So again, because Texas doesn't pay its inmates, some inmates

1091
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:34.679
are allowed to take college classes like in while they're

1092
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:38.480
in the prison, like correspondence courses or online courses or whatever.

1093
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:41.559
But she doesn't have money to take any college courses.

1094
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.400
And in this case, I didn't realize your commissary account

1095
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.039
is so important, Like you only get like a teeny

1096
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.079
tiny bit of shampoo or deodorant unless you have your

1097
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.079
commissary account, or you have to wear like the worst

1098
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:57.880
shoes and you might not get like a sweatshirt or

1099
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:02.440
you know, like more comfortable uniform. So Jennifer, because she

1100
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:04.840
has no support from her family, doesn't have any of

1101
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:09.119
those things. Jennifer said quote, I'm not miserable here, but

1102
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.519
I do miss my family. I wish I could just

1103
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.199
go home right now. We don't give up hope here.

1104
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:17.119
I have not given up. I will go home when

1105
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.519
God decides it is time for me to go home.

1106
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.599
This vision that Jennifer has at home no longer exists,

1107
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:26.159
and I don't know if she really comprehends that. Because

1108
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:29.199
the house that they lived in was sold. Her mother,

1109
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:33.400
who made their house a home, she killed her. So

1110
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.280
she's pining for something and wishing for something that she'll

1111
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:37.039
never have again.

1112
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:41.280
Right, it's really sad. I mean, I don't have a

1113
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.519
ton of sympathy for her because it's kind of her fault.

1114
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.079
But I also wonder how much Paul played into it.

1115
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:49.320
I don't know if you want to get into that yet.

1116
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:53.440
In twenty twelve, Candice De Lung's investigation discovery show Facing

1117
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:57.960
Evil interviewed Jennifer in jail, and Jennifer talked about when

1118
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.679
the relationship with her mom started to go bad.

1119
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:01.840
Here's a clip.

1120
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.400
Well, at first it was just typical teenage rebellion, kid rebellion.

1121
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:11.239
And then it turned that my mom was also having troubles.

1122
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:13.400
She wanted the house to be clean all the time,

1123
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:17.639
which of course didn't always happen. But I'll never forget

1124
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:20.840
that my mom came to my school and pulled me

1125
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:25.440
out of school just to clean the kitchen and said

1126
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.880
I could not go back until I finished cleaning the kitchen.

1127
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:29.960
And you were nine.

1128
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:31.440
I was nine at the time.

1129
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:38.480
Yes, ma'am. That's very strict discipline for one so young.

1130
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.719
It seems to have deep significance to Jennifer.

1131
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.559
And then my brother made the comment, well, I like

1132
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:52.079
my sister's cooking. My mom said, fine, from here on

1133
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:56.239
she can start cooking. And that was when I was

1134
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:57.280
eleven years old.

1135
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:06.000
So now you have cooking in yes, any time for schoolwork, playmates, girlfriends.

1136
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:07.039
Few, and fire between.

1137
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.159
Did your relationship with your mother ever recover?

1138
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:10.840
Nope?

1139
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:14.239
So it just got worse, just got worse. What do

1140
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:18.519
you think of that clip? I'm confused now because this

1141
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:21.800
adds a whole other layer. I didn't realize that Susan

1142
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:27.039
was at this level of abuse, Yeah, abuse, pulling her

1143
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:29.079
out of school at nine. I saw a.

1144
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:32.760
Couple of clips of Jennifer talking and she came across

1145
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.079
to me as insincere and possibly lying. The episode of

1146
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.559
this show I found it on Amazon, and I believe

1147
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.159
I purchased it, but just her facial expressions, it just

1148
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.360
seemed like she was being manipulative.

1149
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:48.239
In my opinion, she does come off cold. I would say,

1150
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.400
mm hmm, and I just can't imagine a mom pulling

1151
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.280
their nine year old out of school to clean the kitchen, right.

1152
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:57.159
Jennifer maintains she.

1153
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.639
And David were not involved in Susan's murder. She claimed

1154
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:03.800
the drugged pudding was just to help Susan sleep because

1155
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.119
she was always so tired. She said the plan to

1156
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.840
kill her was Paul's idea, and she didn't stab her

1157
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:11.320
or hit her with a baseball bat. So Grandma Kate

1158
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:13.960
stopped writing to Jennifer in twenty twelve. She said she

1159
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:17.159
loved her grandchildren, but it was too emotional and she

1160
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.079
never knew which Jennifer she was going to get. Sometimes

1161
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:22.800
she was sweet and apologetic, and other times she was

1162
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:26.840
filled with rage and resentment. Paul Henson is now thirty

1163
01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:30.880
three and resides in the GiB lewis prison in Woodville, Texas.

1164
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.840
His father and stepmother visit him and make deposits into

1165
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:37.800
his commissary account. He suffered a debilitating injury after falling

1166
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.679
from the second tier of a prison unit. He broke

1167
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:43.639
both of his heels and now walks with a cane.

1168
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.679
He also suffers from severe depression, anxiety, and has been

1169
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:51.199
diagnosed with psychosis disorder, which might have played a part

1170
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.320
in all of this. He has tried to take his

1171
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:58.440
life's on several occasions. Dona Fielder also visited Paul in prison.

1172
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.239
He told her that Dave was responsible for stabbing Susan

1173
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:05.360
and said he signed the confession only because he was

1174
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:09.159
being medicated. He said Jennifer deserves to be exonerated and

1175
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:13.519
hopes they can be together again someday. Richard Bailey visited

1176
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:16.639
his children in prison initially, but says that he has

1177
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:20.360
PTSD and it prevents him from working, owning a car,

1178
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:25.679
and contributing to his children's prison commissary accounts. Merrily White

1179
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:28.599
received a five year probation for the attempted assault of

1180
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.360
her mother. She has stayed out of trouble and now

1181
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.960
she's married with children. Two thirds of Texas prisons don't

1182
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.719
have air conditioning and many reach temperatures above one hundred

1183
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.800
degrees during heat waves, and average of two people die

1184
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:45.280
per day in the Texas prisons, but they refuse to

1185
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.119
confirm their deaths are caused by the heat. That sounds

1186
01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.480
totally miserable to me, you know, but prisons shouldn't be

1187
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:56.079
a comfortable place. The American Psychological Association lists eight warning

1188
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.440
signs of imminent violence and teens. They are frequent loss

1189
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:03.880
of temper, fighting, use of drugs, risk taking, behavior detailed

1190
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:08.599
planning to commit violence, threats, hurting animals, and carrying weapons.

1191
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.719
Rest in peace. Susan Bailey.

1192
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:13.880
Susan, I forgot to mention this when we were talking

1193
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:17.320
about David and his story about how what happened that night.

1194
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:20.320
He said that they took the cat with them, and

1195
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:22.400
the cat was in the car with the dog. But

1196
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.599
they didn't have money really for food for themselves, let

1197
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:28.360
alone the dog or the cat, and they actually left

1198
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.400
the cat on the side of the road. So the

1199
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:33.639
cat that we had said, someone said, oh, David killed

1200
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.159
the cat. He said that they just let the cat out.

1201
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.400
It sounds like they could have eaten it. They really

1202
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.039
got desperate. But I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. You're

1203
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:44.800
making his scary face. I mean, no one loves cats

1204
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:45.719
more than you.

1205
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.719
You are the cat whisperer. You are our cat's number one.

1206
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:50.880
This is not a good joke. I'm glad they weren't

1207
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.840
in the room just now. I have a few questions

1208
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:55.079
for you before we wrap up.

1209
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:55.360
Here.

1210
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:58.920
Were Paul, Jennifer, and David old enough to realize the

1211
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.960
finality of and the severity of their crime?

1212
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.320
Hm? I feel like that's different for all of them.

1213
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:07.599
I mean, we didn't really get into this yet, but

1214
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:12.159
I feel like Paul also had a weird upbringing and

1215
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:14.159
we don't know much about it, but it sounds like

1216
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:17.920
his parents were absent, right, and he was mentally ill.

1217
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:21.199
Yeah, I'm not really sure about his upbringing. His father

1218
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:23.760
does see him in prison, and I think his stepmother

1219
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.480
sees him in prison. So I'm not sure about his

1220
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:29.920
upbringing really, But he, out of the three.

1221
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:34.440
Children, he had the most visible problems, right, And it

1222
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:38.159
seems like he was pretty comfortable with death. So curious

1223
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:42.880
about death, yeah, fascinated with it. Jennifer, I don't think

1224
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.159
she really knew what she was doing at the time.

1225
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:48.239
I think maybe she was so infatuated with Paul or

1226
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:51.960
just so desperate to be free. And David, I don't

1227
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.599
think he realized it at all. I think he was

1228
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:56.320
just too young, and I think he was immature for

1229
01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:00.719
his age too. Yeah, they all had issues. I think

1230
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:05.800
ultimately none of them were prepared for the consequences.

1231
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:08.320
Do you think that Jennifer and Paul were attracted to

1232
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:10.880
each other because they both lacked a conscience?

1233
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.400
Hmm? I mean do you think they were both you know,

1234
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:18.920
like born psychopaths or sociopaths. I think there's something too

1235
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:25.679
bad boys and maybe girls who are troubled being attracted

1236
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:31.559
to that sort of mentality. I don't know. I think well,

1237
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:34.519
sounds like they were a little emo, but I promise

1238
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:37.920
like most emo people, they just bond over listening to

1239
01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:41.559
bands like My Chemical Romance and Pierce the Veil. They

1240
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.440
don't bond plotting to kill a parent. But that kind

1241
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.159
of goes with my next question. Were there miss signs

1242
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.280
that could have prevented this tragedy? And I feel like

1243
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:55.480
with teenagers, teenagers go through so much that a lot

1244
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:57.920
of the things that they were doing were just kind

1245
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:00.840
of Yeah, they were emo, teens, So it's not unusual

1246
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:03.719
to dress all in black, It's not unusual to be

1247
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.679
curious about other religions. And do you know what I mean, right,

1248
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:09.760
played dungeons and dragons. I mean, that's why they played

1249
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:14.480
dungeons and dragons to act out fantasies. Yeah, in a

1250
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:17.840
low stake setting. So I don't know. I think there's

1251
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.599
something seriously off. This is not it's not normal. I

1252
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.880
just feel in this case that it was really hard

1253
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.760
to predict that what they were going to do, right,

1254
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.679
I mean, going back to when I was seventeen, there

1255
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:32.960
were definitely hard times and times where, of course not

1256
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:36.000
wanting to murder my parents, but sometimes are that you

1257
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:39.840
were really, really, really nasty. You can be really rageful

1258
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:41.360
at that time. But I think, in the back of

1259
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:43.199
my mind, no matter how angry I was that you

1260
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:46.119
or their world, I always knew that things would get

1261
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:49.559
better someday. And it sounds like for Jennifer and David

1262
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.719
things were bleak for so long that maybe they lost hope.

1263
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:55.599
I think, as a mom in retrospect, you know we're

1264
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:59.480
learning on the job. You're our oldest child, and you

1265
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.039
know I didn't know a lot of what I know now,

1266
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.639
and I don't think I realize the stress that teenagers

1267
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:08.280
are under today because you're growing up in such a

1268
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.599
different world than I grew up. And if I could

1269
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:12.960
redo one thing, I think that would be it is

1270
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:18.119
to maybe lead with empathy sometimes more than anger when

1271
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:21.519
you know you were maybe not in the best mood

1272
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:23.199
when you got home, and of course you would you know,

1273
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:24.960
I was the person that you would get angry with,

1274
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:27.840
and you know that gets old. But I wish I

1275
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:30.440
maybe would have realized that that, you know, you had

1276
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.360
a lot of stress and anxiety, and you know, I

1277
01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:34.800
should have realized that more than I did.

1278
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:36.880
Maybe. Yeah, being a teen is hard, but being a

1279
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:37.840
mom of a teen, I'm.

1280
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:40.519
Sure it's just as hard. Yeah, and we talked about

1281
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:42.440
this a little bit. But do you think their sentences

1282
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:42.920
were fair?

1283
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:47.840
I think so. I think it's unfair that Jennifer is

1284
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:49.800
not able to take college classes.

1285
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:53.280
I think that's a Texas thing because Texas doesn't pay

1286
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:56.199
their inmates and they don't pay for the tuition. Oh,

1287
01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:58.159
I think in other states. I think there's only actually

1288
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:00.280
a handful of states that don't offer that.

1289
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:03.639
Okay, Well, I think David's.

1290
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:06.840
Sentence might be a little harsh because the injuries that

1291
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:11.320
he made on Susan weren't life threatening. We're just kind

1292
01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:14.599
of scratches, and really we don't really know which injuries

1293
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:17.079
to account to, which which teenager.

1294
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:20.119
That's true. Okay, Well, I'm sorry this was such a

1295
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:22.760
brutal case. You did a great job, and I'm sorry

1296
01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:30.239
I made you cry. It's okay.

1297
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:34.319
I forgot to say this at the beginning, But Happy

1298
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:38.000
Teacher Appreciation Week to you and all our sweet listeners,

1299
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:39.319
because I know we have a lot of teachers that

1300
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.720
listen to us. I think teachers are amazing. I have

1301
01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:45.479
so many teachers that I feel like just saw me

1302
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.520
and helped me through things. And I know you're a

1303
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:50.439
great teacher, and you had done a great teacher.

1304
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:53.079
David had really good teachers growing up.

1305
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:57.199
Just kidding, but yes, teachers do make a huge difference.

1306
01:08:57.560 --> 01:08:58.159
It's true.

1307
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:01.239
Sometimes you know, a teacher is the only person that's actually,

1308
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:02.439
you know, really seeing a kid.

1309
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:06.039
Why are you making that, I don't know. I oh,

1310
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:08.880
I just wasn't expecting you to start talking about teachers

1311
01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:09.600
all of a sudden.

1312
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:12.479
So you have a big life change coming up, I

1313
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:14.119
sure do don't.

1314
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:16.239
So you're not so happy. I know I was gonna say,

1315
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:18.279
not that any of your listeners care, but I am

1316
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:22.840
moving out of your house in a month. Yeah, so

1317
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.560
no need to worry about me murdering you or seeing

1318
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:30.079
any suspicious boles of putting lying around. I'll be out

1319
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:31.159
of here. Okay.

1320
01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:35.279
Well, I have complicated feelings about that. I lose a daughter,

1321
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:36.319
but I gain a closet.

1322
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:37.039
Good one.

1323
01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:37.359
Mom.

1324
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.479
You know I'll miss your marvelous wit. I really will.

1325
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.159
Well, I'm hoping that we'll still see each other once.

1326
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:46.159
Uh oh, yeah, we'll see.

1327
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:48.159
I think you're gonna what are you gonna miss from home?

1328
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:53.000
Your cookies, my sparkling personality.

1329
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:58.800
I'm gonna miss the cats. Uh huh, I'm gonna miss dad.

1330
01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:01.119
Do you have any thing else you want to say

1331
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:03.840
before we wrap this up? Well? I do have one

1332
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:07.600
thing I think I said this last year, But just

1333
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:11.680
please be respectful to my lovely mom and dad in

1334
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:15.560
your reviews and in your comments. And you know, people really,

1335
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:19.800
really really are By and large, most people are just lovely.

1336
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:21.960
I know. But if you wouldn't leave a nice comment

1337
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:24.279
for Emma because she almost didn't come back this year,

1338
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.359
we'll do it again next year, maybe, if if you

1339
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:30.039
guys give her some If you did a great job.

1340
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:33.239
I think you're a natural. Oh thank you. Well, I

1341
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:35.600
just start your own to do this podcast. What podcast

1342
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:37.720
would you start if you could start a podcast. If

1343
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.760
I could start a podcast, probably one where I invent

1344
01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:45.680
a new novelty restaurant every week and we talk about

1345
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:48.520
the logistics of it. And Emma has big ideas. I

1346
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:51.880
have a lot of big restaurants, not just restaurant ideas.

1347
01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:54.600
When I heard about how the town in Texas was

1348
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:59.279
named for unique dining, what's your favorite restaurant? My favorite restaurant.

1349
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:01.560
That's really tricky because I thought you're gonna say that's

1350
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:05.000
really personal. It is kind of personal because well, I

1351
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.880
don't want to get into too much into my personal life.

1352
01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:10.319
But yeah, I do have some dietary restrict were trying

1353
01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:11.960
not to talk about you too much on the podcast,

1354
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:14.880
but I think we have mentioned that you don't eat dairy. Yeah,

1355
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:18.319
except for in my cookies. Right, that's as hard I make.

1356
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:21.159
But yeah, it's hard to find a good restaurant. But

1357
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:24.199
I don't know. I eat a lot of sushi. Yeah,

1358
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:26.720
I can't name the specific restaurant because I would give

1359
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:30.319
too much away, but it is too crowded. Next time

1360
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:34.720
you go. It's my secret yeaheah, gosh, no, I want

1361
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:36.880
to know. I'm not sure I know each restaurant you mean.

1362
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:39.560
I might tell you later. I know you like a

1363
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:43.479
sushi bowl? Oh? Like a poke caball? Yeah? Yeah, I

1364
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:45.680
haven't had that in a while. When you don't eat dairy,

1365
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.800
you end up eating a lot of rice rice cuisine.

1366
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:51.760
Can you sing us a little song before you we go?

1367
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:55.039
What kind of song? Like a preschool song? Whatever you

1368
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:56.920
want to sing? You know, they call me the human

1369
01:11:57.039 --> 01:11:59.960
jukebox because I can sing most anything. Are you serious?

1370
01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:03.640
I can call me that, like at school. I don't

1371
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:04.640
think I've ever called you that.

1372
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:07.520
I guess I've always called myself that, but I never

1373
01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:11.159
told anyone else. Doesn't Necessarily they don't call you that.

1374
01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:14.319
You call yourself that, Okay. So Emma has like since

1375
01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:17.359
you were little, you you're a very creative person, like

1376
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:20.640
you can well, you you danced your whole life.

1377
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:25.119
You like just you sing, You love karaoke. You have

1378
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.439
drawn since you were like eighteen months old. You could

1379
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:30.560
draw like you know a lot of things. So you're

1380
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:31.239
a really good artist.

1381
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:33.840
Yeah, keep in mind though I'm mediocre at all these things.

1382
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:36.960
I'm not like super skilled in anyone, true, but I'm yeah,

1383
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:39.279
I have an artsy individual. Yeah, all right, they'll sing

1384
01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:40.880
us out? All right? Do you want to meet a

1385
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.920
freestyle something? Absolutely? I'd love it. Can you give me

1386
01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:49.319
a beat? At least? Do you want to get a beat?

1387
01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:51.439
I can't. I really literally can't do that. Should I

1388
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:54.439
just go like? Oh god, this is embarrassing? Allait?

1389
01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:54.560
Wait?

1390
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:57.680
Wait, wait, wait wait he stopped. You stop recording right now? Well,

1391
01:12:58.279 --> 01:12:59.800
are you sure you don't want to going? I'm gonna

1392
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:00.920
lose emojo? All right?

1393
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:01.359
Going?

1394
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:06.399
Mary kill if it's the bill, I'm running up that hill.

1395
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:08.239
Kate bush eating.

1396
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:14.119
Bush, don't eat no pudding. It could have poison except poison.

1397
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:19.680
Berries are cool. And we love to go to school.

1398
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.000
Except when your mom makes you come back and clean.

1399
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:31.720
That's really me. Well, thank you for that. That was beautiful. Okay.

1400
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:34.319
I was under pressure, so that's not the best representation

1401
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:36.680
of my abilities, but I.

1402
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:38.359
Thought you were gonna bring it. What was it the

1403
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:40.520
back to school song that you sang?

1404
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:44.039
No, no, we're not going there. Okay, goodbye, everybody, Thank

1405
01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:47.399
you for listening. This has been very nice. I love you.

1406
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:48.119
You're amazing.

1407
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:51.279
Hopefully you'll come back next year if you're still doing

1408
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:52.520
the podcast.

1409
01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:54.960
Don't talk anytime too. It doesn't have to be we

1410
01:13:55.520 --> 01:14:01.920
do talk all the time until don't kill your mom,

1411
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:05.159
don't kill your daughter, and Happy Mother's Day to all

1412
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:07.520
our wonderful listeners. I love you guys so much, blowing

1413
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:57.600
you all kisses. Hi, I'm Tina and I'm Emma. That

1414
01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:00.880
was you did it so well, always like you're just

1415
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:03.079
my baby, and I get so like you're so good.

1416
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:08.159
I wanna be around my vegetables. I don't wanna chop down

1417
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:13.680
my vegetables. I prefer you talk like you're gonna talk