Dec. 14, 2024

The Santa Claus bank robbery of 1927

The Santa Claus bank robbery of 1927
The Santa Claus bank robbery of 1927
Love Marry Kill
The Santa Claus bank robbery of 1927

Special holiday bonus episode! Christmas time, 1927, in the small central Texas town of Cisco. It’s a fast-growing, bustling town thanks to the oil boom of the early 20s. Two days before Christmas, children are laughing, shopkeepers are busy, and...

Special holiday bonus episode!

Christmas time, 1927, in the small central Texas town of Cisco. It’s a fast-growing, bustling town thanks to the oil boom of the early 20s. Two days before Christmas, children are laughing, shopkeepers are busy, and families are preparing for festive gatherings. But no one knows that Christmas is about to take a dark, bloody turn. Santa Claus is coming to town – but he’s not bringing presents.

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0:04 Twas the night before Christmas in Texas, you know, way out on the prairie without any snow, asleep in their cabin, where Buddy and Sue a dreaming of Christmas like me and you, not stockings butt boots at the foot of their bed. For this was in Texas. What morning be said? When all of us sudden from out the still night, there came such a rucas. It gave me a fry.

0:48 Howardy, Tina, Hey Rich, how are you? Why did you play a song from Texas? Was that geen Autry? But that was gene Autry, a little old gene Autry tune. Because we're going to Texas and we're going back in time to nineteen twenty seven for today. Awesome this special holiday bonus episode. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, Happy Boxing Day, happy festival. That's all I got. I hope everyone is having a warm and wonderful holiday season. We've been having a lot of fun here at Love Mary Kill Headquarters, Corporate Headquarters. We've been having fun, but you've been working very hard. You've appreciate all of your hard work getting right holidays. You know, I have a tip for everyone don't go pick up your Christmas tree in the dark. It's a Christmas tree lot. This year, you know, we were kind of crunched for time, so we went to the Christmas tree lot sometimes we go cut it down and we were like, yeah, this one's good because there was like this imposing man following us around with like what would you even call that?

1:45 Like a big it was like a big measuring stiff, but it was. It was a big giant. There's like a hook on the end. Maybe he only had I don't know. It's like how tall of a tree are you looking for? Look? And if we looked at this tree that was taller than what we said, he was like, oh, you don't want that one, And I'm like, well, but anyway, the tree we ended up with is she's she's a little a slender one in daylight, she's a little sparse. Yeah, it's the. Every time I look at her, I'm like, I really thought that was the but I mean it's it's fine. Nice Charlie Brown Christmas tree. Some of the trees were upwards of like one hundred and fifty dollars and I'm like, that's that's insane. It is a little bit crazy. Welcome to this special holiday bonus episode. We put together some good content. We've got some fun things to do as well as the story of the nineteen twenty seven Santa Claus bank robbery.

2:31 We also have a special snack today. We made cookies and we had a cookie making contest. We had a cookie bake off here at Love Mary Kill headquarters. Yeah, so you and I each made two recipes. We were just gonna make one, but both of us were feeling insecure, so I'm like, you know, I'm just going to try this other recipe. Yeah, I wasn't happy with my first one, so I think they're I think they're all good. But we had our kids. They were the judge were the judges, and you won hands down. So congratulations for that. Thank you. What's my prize? I get a one hundred dollars Love Mary get card to spend it. We've already got your prize. You got a handshake from our daughter and you got a hug from ourselves. Oh those were great, Yes, those were great.

3:12 Would you like it? I was surprised when I got the handshake. Yeah, that was pretty impressive. Yeah, I was pretty excited because I was nervous. You're a very worthy opponent. You're actually you're a very good baker. You're very because you're a rule follower. Right exactly. I follow a recipe. To nt I. You know, I'm play loose with the roles sometimes but works in my favorite Yeah, what did we think? Why don't you tell everyone about your winning cookie? First? I had a professional in my corner. I love Sally's Baking recipes formerly known as Sally's Baking Addiction, and she has a ten day cookie Palooza she calls it, and I made two of her recipes. Can't go wrong with Sally and Sally's fabulous. If you've never made her recipes before, she's great. The winning recipe was her peppermint melt away cookies. It's a little shortbread cookie with some pink frosting on it and then a little crushed candy cane sprinkled on top, and there's a little bit of peppermint in the cookie and in the frosting. I think I had the peppermint because I like a hint of peppermint, but I don't like it to hit me in the face.

4:13 They were amazing. If I had to vote, I would have voted for that as my number one. Also, after I made them, I was like, oh, I was going to lose because it's a really great cookie. It's a great Christmas cookie. I think it could be used any time of year. If you take the peppermint, you could be lemon in it, or you know, just vanilla. So, yeah, and what was your cookie one of your cookies? Well, the first one I made were Holiday Monster cookies, which you know contain all kinds of stuff, right Eminem's pretzels, chocolate chips, white chocolate chips, and oatmeal and oatmeal. Yeah, and then and so yeah, they were I think they came out pretty good. Yeah, they really I was happy with them. And then the other one I made is pretty unique. I had never tried this before. I just found it. I thought it would be interesting, and it was goch Jang caramel cookies. Yeah, which were I thought they were really good. They're kind of like a snicker doodle but with gotu jang swirled in it and it gave it a little bit of a kick, and I thought it was really interesting.

5:09 Yeah, I'm not criticizing you, but it spread a little and so I don't know if did you not chill them. No, I did. That's how it was supposed to be. They look exactly like the recipe. Yeah, they're good. It's interesting. I liked it, but I wouldn't want it on my Christmas plate again, although it's kind of a interest. Does a little something to your palate because there is some spice there? Yeah? So yeah, and the other one you mad. And the last one I made was another Sally's recipe, and it's chocolate chip cookie Bark and it's I really like it. I don't think you liked it as much as I like it. But it tastes a lot like brownie brittle, has kind of like just a little hint of a burned taste. Yeah. I think that's because I actually didn't follow Sali's recipe because I like brown butter so much. She said to milk your butter, and I browned the butter, which I think whatever chemical reaction takes place when you brown butter, it made the cookie cook faster. Yeah, and so it has, but I mean I still think it's really good. And then you just melt some chocolate on top. We will post links to all these recipes and let us know if you try him.

6:09 Yeah, I liked all four of them, so I thought it was really fun, and we're gonna try to make this an annual tradition. We're still around next year, I would I would definitely want to do it again. For still around. Oh, you made it for still podcasting next year. Well, I mean, you just don't know what twenty twenty five is gonna hold. It's just really quick. I'm just gonna rank how I rank them, Okay. I tried to be as fair as I could, but I did like my two cookies the best. I like the peppermint, the cookie bark, and then I would put your monster cookie and then I put the gochu Jing cookie last. Okay, fair enough, I would put the peppermint one first, I would put the go chu Jang one actually second, I like that a lot, and then the monster and then the brownie the cookie bark. Yeah. I liked them all. They were all yeah. I think our daughter voted the same as me.

6:51 She liked both the years best. Yeah. And then our son did he like the he went peppermint, go Chu Jang uh cookie bark, and then the monster cookie last. Yeah. Yeah. One of our very kind listener friends, Cynthia, sent us some killer brownies, which is a great fit for our podcast. And somehow they got lost in the mail she sent them, I think a few weeks ago, and we just got them this week. I think our post office didn't our po box, they didn't tell us about them or something. Yeah, for a few days. And they were delicious and amazing. Even though they were a few weeks old. We still really enjoyed the heck out of them, and so did our kids. Our kids were like, oh my god, these are amazing. So I'm sorry we couldn't fit those into an episode, Cynthia, but we appreciate it so much, and they were delicious.

7:38 Yeah, thank you so much for sending thost. We should start Maybe we should start a bakery called like Killer Bakery or something like that. Not a bad idea. Yeah, do you want to tell us about your case? I sure do. Picture the scene. It's Christmas time, nineteen twenty seven in the small central Texas town of Cisco. It's a fast growing, bustling town thanks to the oil boom of the early twenties. Two days before Christmas, children are laughing, shopkeepers are busy, and families are preparing for festive gatherings. But no one knows that Christmas is about to take a dark, bloody turn. Santa Claus is coming to town, but he is not bringing presents. Cisco, located in the Texas Big Country, forty miles west of Dallas and forty five miles east of Abilene, had grown from just over a thousand residents at the turn of the century to upwards of fifteen thousand by nineteen twenty seven, thanks to the Eastland County oil boom. To meet the growing need for water, the Williamson Dam was built north of town in nineteen twenty three, damming up the Sandy Creek and forming Lake Cisco. A few years later, a giant concrete swimming pool was built at the base of the dam, built as the largest swimming pool in the world.

8:53 There was a big entertainment complex built next to the pool, with a skating rink upstairs, a zoo, and an amusement park. Big time entertainers like Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys would perform there. People would come from miles around, But it was a man named Marshall Ratliff who would put Cisco, Texas on the map. Marshall was a born troublemaker in April nineteen twenty six, twenty one year old Marshall and his older brother Lee twenty four, robbed a bank in Valera, sixty miles south of Cisco. It was a bold robbery in broad daylight. Marshall and Lee entered the bank while a third man waited outside in the getaway car. The rat lift boys pointed guns at the two cashiers, who held their hands up in the air while the robbers gathered up three thousand dollars in cash, which is about fifty three thousand dollars today. I said, stick them up for everybody. I'm robbing this place. Drop all of your money and my guitar case. Don't nobody move, and don't nobody read me like my sound effects I doo.

9:55 So you're living your DJ dreams. Right here for sure, Marshall and Lee. He then ordered the cashiers into the vault so they could make their getaway. One of the cashiers protested, saying they would suffocate inside the vault. Please let me have a screwdriver, he begged, before we can get out. You fellows can easily be across the Texas border. The hold up men looked at each other briefly nodded, then handed the man a screwdriver before locking them into the vault. Thirty minutes later, the cashiers escaped and reported the hold up, but the Ratlift brothers were long gone and they nearly got away with it. But the rat Lifts spent the money from the heist freely, mostly on alcohol, it seems, and probably loose women and maybe so. And after getting a few drinks in them, they couldn't help but brag about their deed. Word got out and the deputies eventually tracked the men to a garage and Abilene, where they were found along with Lee's young wife Dovey. With them was also eighteen hundred dollars of the loot, although three thousand dollars had been stolen in total. The getaway driver had made off with the remaining cash. Marshall and Lee were urged by their weeping mother to tell the truth, and indeed they signed a confession admitting to the crime. Lee was given a ten year sentence and Marshall, the mastermind behind the heist, was sentenced eighteen years behind bars. And that might have been the end of the story if it wasn't for Ma.

11:18 Ferguson Miriam Amanda Ferguson, better known as Ma Ferguson, was the first female governor of Texas and only the second woman ever to serve as governor in any state. Nellie Taylor Ross of Wyoming was the first. She was elected the same day as Ma, but sworn in two weeks prior. Ma's husband, who you may not be surprised to know, was called Paw Ferguson. He had served as governor of Texas from nineteen fifteen to nineteen seventeen. He was impeached by the Texas Legislature because he cut funding for the University of Texas when they refused to dismiss certain faculty members who Paw found offensive. One of those faculty members had been a political opponent of him Is. The Texas State Senate convicted him on ten charges and prohibited him from holding office in the state of Texas ever again, Pa was popular among the people of Texas, though, so in nineteen twenty four, Ma Ferguson ran for governor on the promise that she would consult her husband for advice if elected. She ran on the promise that citizens of Texas would get two governors for the price of one.

12:25 At her rallies. She would basically get up and introduce PA, and then he would speak. One of their campaign slogans was ME for Ma and I ain't got a darned thing against PA. A columnist for the Houston Chronicle wrote, quote, there was never a question in anyone's mind as to who was really running things when Ma was governor. Though she was a teetotaler like her husband, she opposed prohibition, which had been in effect since nineteen twenty. She also opposed the Ku Kux Klan, not necessarily a popular opinion at the time. But what she was most known for during her time as governor was the pardons that she granted. She issued a total of three thousand, five hundred and ninety five pardons. That sounds like a very high number for the time.

13:12 I think it probably is. Many of these were for people convicted of violating prohibition laws, but rumor had it that many others were in exchange for cash payments to Paw Ferguson. Due to all of Mo's pardons, voters eventually passed an amendment to the state constitution stripping the governor of the power to issue pardons and granting that power to a politically independent Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles. Even today, the board has to recommend a pardon before the Governor of Texas is allowed to grant it. Two of the pardons she granted were for Marshall and Lee Ratliffe, just ten months after their convictions.

13:52 Her reason for pardoning the Ratlift Boys is unknown. Once free, the brothers wandered around West Texas for a bit looking for work in the oil fields, but they were unsuccessful. They wound up in Wichita Falls at a boarding house run by a woman named Josephine Herron, also known as Maw not Ma but Maw Maw. With no job prospects and preferring easy money over hard work, the boys began planning their next heist. They decided to rob the first National Bank in their hometown of Cisco, Texas, one hundred and twenty miles to the south. Their plans were disrupted when Lee got caught in another burglary and the new governor of Texas revoked his pardon. He was ordered back to prison to finish serving his sentence. In hindsight, that was probably a lucky break for him. That didn't deter Marshall, though he enlisted the help of two other ex khans also staying at the boarding house, Henry Helms and Robert Hill.

14:50 A fourth man known as a talented safecracker, was also picked for the team. However, he came down with the flu just before the planned hes. Probably lucky break for him as well. Yeah, so Ratliffe asked helms brother in law, a guy named Lewis Davis, to join the crew. Davis was a twenty two year old family man with no prior criminal history. He was broke and desperate, so the promise of a big payout lured him in. His only stipulation was that there would be no shooting involved. Ratliffe agreed, but you know what they say about the best laid plans. The boarding house operator, ma Hearn, later said that she knew that Ratliffe, Helms, and Hill were ex cons and that she didn't want them to be in her home quote, but it just looked like we couldn't keep them away because they had just calm. Anyhow, she did say that the men were perfect gentlemen, though, quote all the time that they lived in my house, they had the best manners I have ever seen gentlemen have They never used bad words and never said anything out of the way.

15:53 Marshall was a Christian boy and he had been converted in Cisco. She did, however, believe that Helms was ring a dope business out of her boarding house, which she didn't approve of. This has no relevance to the case, but I have to add this. I was doing research on this case. I was looking at old newspapers from nineteen twenty seven, and I really love reading old newspapers. But one of the papers had a description of maw Heron in the newspaper that I just had to include. Quote. Missus Heron is of slight build and was dressed in Mannish attire when brought here for questioning. She wore khaki trousers, booties which I guess are short boots, and a woman's gray coat. Her hair appeared a reddish brown and looked as if it were dyed. She displayed a keen wit and her dark eyes flashed while she talked. Her talk was somewhat illiterate at times unquote.

16:42 That's amazing. Old newspapers really were good at writing descriptions. Marshall came up with a brilliant plan for robbing the bank, and Cisco. They would strike on December twenty third, two days before Christmas. Because Marshall was known in Cisco, he needed a disguise, and what better disguise for the day before Christmas Eve than a Santa suit. Not only would the Santa suit serve as a disguise, it would also ensure that bank employees and customers were unprepared. After all, who would ever expect Santa to rob a bank. It just so happened that Maharron had a Santa suit that she had made herself for her annual Christmas party. Marshall asked to borrow it. Although she didn't know what exactly the boys were planning, she knew it wasn't good. She later said. She begged Marshall not to take the Santa suit, but he insisted. On the morning of December twenty third, nineteen twenty seven, Ratliffe, helms Hill, and Davis set off for Cisco.

17:40 I've got a bad feeling about this. Yeah. By the time the four men drove the one hundred and twenty miles from Wichita Falls to Cisco, it was close to noon. They stopped the car while Marshall Ratliffe put on the Santa costume, and then he got out a couple of blocks from the bank. The remaining men drove the car to an alley beside the bank, where they would leave it running before joining him inside the bank. As Ratlift walked toward the bank, excited children saw Santa walking down the street. He waved to them as he went by. Two little girls, Laverne Comer twelve and Mma Robinson, ten, followed Santa into the bank. As Ratliffe entered the facility, customers and bank employees called out Hello Santa. Six year old Francis Blazingame saw Santa go into the bank and pulled her mom in with her so she could get a closer look at Santa. Just then, Hill, Helms, and Davis barged into the bank. Robert Hill pulled out his gun and pointed at bank employees, yelling hands up. Ratliff forced a bank employee to open the safe and he grabbed all the cash and non negotiable securities like savings bonds, totaling more than one hundred and sixty thousand dollars almost three million dollars today. It was the largest bank heist in Texas history to that point. But then everything seemed to fall apart for the Santa Claus bank robber and his bank and of bandits. While the Santa costume may have been in effective disguise, the attention it brought would prove to be the undoing of the crooks. Missus Blazingame, the mother of six year old Francis, who had dragged

19:12 her mom into the bank to see Santa, acted quickly when the men pulled out their guns. She grabbed her daughter and darted out the side door of the bank into the alleyway before Ratliff and his boys could stop them. As soon as they got outside, she shouted, they're robbing the bank, alerting Chief of Police Bedford and other citizens about the robbery in progress. Chief Bedford grabbed his gun and ordered his two fellow officers to join him. The officers showing up on the scene were, of course a problem for Ratliff and his men, but there was in fact an even bigger problem. Because of the Texas oil boom, banks in Texas had a lot of cash, and because they had a lot of cash, there were a lot of bank robberies. Not long before the Cisco Bank robbery, the Texas Bankers Association started offering a reward to any civilian who shot and killed a bank robber. It was five thousand dollars for a dead bank robber and not one cent for one hundred live ones. As the Banker's Association put it, the head of the Banker's Association said, quote, there is only one way to handle bank robbers, and that is to kill them. End quote. With Missus blazing games shouting about the bank robbery, dozens of Cisco citizens quickly showed up, guns in hand, hoping to collect on the five thousand dollars reward. Oh no, it's over ninety thousand dollars in today's dollars.

20:30 So I mean that's a lot of money. About all these people with Santa and the kids in the bank. If this isn't gonna end. Well, it is not a recipe for anything good to happen, A happy story. Not a lot of happy, good true crime stories out there. The bank robbers were quickly surrounded by an armed mob of close to one hundred people, including both police and civilians. The crowd was out for Santa's blood. It was a standoff. It didn't take long for the situation to escalate, and gunfire erupted. Ratliffe, Hill and the others started firing through the bank window, and the mob outside returned fire. It was a fuselade of bullets, resulting in two hundred plus bullet holes in the bank.

21:27 Ratliffe and Davis were both shot in the melee. Ratliff was shot in the leg and the jaw, but his wounds were not life threatening and he could still walk. Davis's wounds were far more serious. Chief of Police Bedford and his officer, George Carmichael, were also shot during the shootout, and both would later die from their injuries. Six townspeople were also shot and wounded. Several of the bank employees and customers escaped from the bank during the commotion. The bank robbers used the remaining people as human shields to protect them as they made their way to the car. They took twelve year old Laverne Comer and ten year old Mma Robinson into the car with them as hostages, and they drove off. They drove to the edge of town, tossing roofing nails out the window to puncture the tires of those trying to follow, but they soon realized they were almost out of gas and one of their own tires had been punctured from the hail of gunfire at the bank. It's not clear if the bank robbers forgot to gas up the car before their heist, or if perhaps a bullet pierced the gas tank. In any case, they had to abandon their getaway car. Davis, the family man who had gone along with the robbery on the condition that there would be no shooting, was mortally wounded, so the rest of the gang left him in the getaway car, where he died. In all the hubbub and with the town's citizens still in hot pursuit, the bank robbers accidentally left another very important item behind in the getaway car, the loot.

22:51 Oh Fourteen year old Woodrow Wilson Harris, better known as Woody, was driving his family's new Oldsmobile to town. His father sat beside him in the front seat, his mother and grandmother in back. The family was out finishing their holiday shopping. I bet the mother and grandmother and back were both clutching the seat really tightly. Having a fourteen year old driving the car, well, if you're. A farm kid, you probably a really good driver. Sitting at the stoplight, wood he must have been excited when he saw Santa Claus walking toward the car, but his excitement quickly turned to terror as he saw Santa brandishing a gun, as did the two men who trailed behind him.

23:31 The three men ordered the Harris family to get out of their car. The family quickly exited the vehicle and ran away. While it seemed like the bank robbers had a nice new getaway car, they didn't count on fourteen year old Woodie being as clever as he was. You see what He left them the car, but he took the keys with him, and they didn't realize it until the Harris family was long gone. The gangs luck seemed to be getting worse as the day went on. Helm and Hill took off on foot into the wilderness. While the bandits hadn't intended to leave the money in the getaway car when it was discovered by the citizens who had been pursuing the men, it was a temporary distraction, allowing the men to slip away. Fortunately, the men decided at this point to release their two young hostages, who were soon reunited with the parents. Well that's a little bit of good news. Sheriff John Hart and his deputies in Easterland, ten miles to the east, had been called and given the news of the robbery, They jumped in their cars and sped to where the bank robbers had abandoned their vehicle. A reporter later wrote, quote Officers and citizens poured in from all that section of the state, and such a manhunt and as Western Texas had never seen before, was soon in progress. Many members of the posse were on horseback or on foot as they beat their way through the clumps of trees, searched high grass, in the bottoms of ravines, and peered around boulders and canyons.

24:58 Search parties found a few so of the crooks, some blood stained gloves, a suitcase, and a pile of blood stained rags, some medical supplies that the men had brought with them, but no sign of the bank robbers. Evening fell and the search was paused until the next morning, Christmas Eve. Although Marshall Ratliffe had been shot twice, once in the leg and once in the jaw, and Robert Hill had been shot once in the arm, the three men managed to elude their pursuers for the next two days. At one am on Monday, the day after Christmas, Ratlift knocked on the door of R. C. Wiley's house in Baird, Texas, twenty five miles west of Cisco, asserting that their automobile had been in a wreck and they needed to take an injured woman to the hospital. Ratliff asked if the Wileys might loan him a car and driver. Being good country folk, twenty two year old Carl Wiley and his younger brother accompanied Ratliff to the car, but then Helms and Hill stepped out from behind some bee Hives, guns drawn, and ordered Karl and his brother into the car. They younger boy ran off, calling for his grandfather, who was back in the house. Or Carl got into the car with the three men and began driving. Carl's grandfather came running out of the house and fired his gun at the vehicle. Unfortunately, he hit his own grandson in the arm.

26:16 The good news was the injury was not serious. I get the impression like everybody back then at this part of the country had guns. They were very freely using them too. I mean you had to I guess. I guess that was a very different time. I mean police weren't around as much, and you lived out in the country and the fugitives hid the rest of the night in the wilderness with nothing to eat but oranges, which the bank robbers refused to share with their injured young hostage. The next morning, they released Carl and stole another vehicle. Carl reported to the police that the gang was not doing well due to their injuries, their lack of food, and the icy, wintry weather that had come to Central Texas. The manhunt continued. By this time, the police had used horses, dogs, and even airplanes and their search for the three men. With the latest information from Karl, authorities assembled a posse of more than one hundred men who converged on their latest location near the Goose Neck of the Brazos River, not far from the small town of South Bend, Texas. The posse caught up with Ratliff, Helms, and Hill on the morning of Wednesday, December twenty eighth, lockading the road as the men approached in their latest stolen car. The three men ran from the vehicle toward the woods, and a posse opened fire.

27:29 Ratliff was grazed in the leg with a bullet. It was a minor wound, but Ratliff fainted. The result of his earlier wounds becoming infected, combined with the lack of food and sleep over the last several days, Ratliff had a total of six gunshot wounds sustained since the day of the robbery. Ratliffe was captured while Helms and Hill escaped into the brush. His jaw was locked shut from the bullet wound he had received in the days earlier. During the robbery, he could only answer yes or no questions by nodding or shaking his head. Tub Wilson, assistant chief of police from Cisco, asked him, do you know me? Ratliff nodded. Do you know that you are going to die again? Ratliff nodded. Do you care whether you live or die? Ratleish shook his head indicating no. Helms and Hill managed to elude the posse for two more days, but they were finally captured on Friday morning, December thirtieth.

28:22 The two men were so weak from their wounds, their hunger, and their lack of sleep that they just couldn't run anymore. Asked why they ran, Hill answered quote, I figured we were just going to be killed anyhow, on account of the bank reward. I figured it was just as well to get killed running as with our hands up. Helms was delirious and hardly able to stand. His temperature taken once he was in custody was one O two point five. Hill said of his partner, quote, he got us caught. He's been out of his head for nearly two days. Hill had a bullet wound on his left elbow and had been grazed by other bullets on his head and back, but overall he was in decent shape. Helms had bullet wounds on his hip, back, shoulder, and arm. Hill said the pair hadn't had a bite to eat in four days.

29:09 All of the men were taken to the Eastland County Jail to await trial. Aside from the bank robbers themselves, six people had been killed and eight injured during the events of the past few days. We'll be back after a break. Twas the night before Christmas in Texas, you know, way out on the prairie without really small. Robert Hill pleaded guilty to armed robbery and was sentenced to ninety nine years in prison. Hill was not content to stay in prison, however. In September nineteen twenty eight, Hill, along with five other inmates, escaped from a convict farm while working as part of a wood cutting gang Bloodhounds sign vict farm. Yeah. I think they put convicts to work a lot more then than they do now. I think they still do it, but probably it's a good idea. Really, Why do you think that is?

30:05 I just think it's good to keep people busy and then they can have pride in their work. I hope they were treated decently. Yeah, hopefully they're paid at least. Well, that's what I was going to say, like to give people a little bit, you know, it doesn't have to be a ton of money, but a little bit, like a dollar an hour or something, and then when they get out, they have a little money saved and they have some work experience. And I really do think it's probably good to keep our prisoners out good. It's good for all of us to stay busy. I know, if I have too much time on my hands, I go a little a little crazy myself. You never have too much time on your hand, I know, because. I always keep myself busy. In any case, Bloodhounds tracked down the escapees within a few hours. Seven months later, though in April nineteen twenty nine, he'll escaped again. This time, he and four other inmates cut their way through a fence surrounding the tuberculosis ward of the prison to make their escape. Again, they were quickly captured and returned. Hill made one more attempt in nineteen thirty wow. This time he was on the lamb for eighteen months, but was eventually captured in El Paso while trying to cross the border to Mexico. After his third attempt, Hill decided to make peace with his life behind bars. In nineteen forty five, Governor Coke Stevenson granted Hill a pardon after he had served fifteen years. It's unclear exactly why he was granted a pardon, but it's possible that it was due to a labor shortage with so many men overseas fighting in World War Two. Does seem surprising, though, that he tried to escape three times and they pardoned him eventually.

31:33 Yeah, definitely. It doesn't seem like you would be rewarded for that. Whatever the reason, though, Hill made the most of his newfound freedom. He married, became a stepfather, worked for a construction firm, bought a home, and joined a church. By all accounts, he was a model citizen for the next twenty years until his death in nineteen sixty six. His partners in crime, though, were not so lucky. Although no one could testify to having seen him fire a gun in the bank, Henry helm was accused of shooting the Cisco police chief and his fellow officer, both of whom died. He tried to plead insanity, but that didn't work. He was found guilty and sentenced to death. On the evening of September fifth, nineteen twenty nine, guards held him down and shaved his head, then dragged him down the hallway, past the cell where Marshall Ratliffe sat, and into the room where the electric chair waited. The switch was thrown at twelve ten am the next morning, and Henry Helms was the second of the bank robbers to die. Marshall Ratliffe, who had dressed as Santa Claus and was the ringleader of the heist, was convicted of armed robbery and sentenced to ninety nine years in prison. This was followed by a second trial for his part in the deaths of the two lawmen. For this offense, he was found guilty and sentenced to death On the day that Helms was executed in September nineteen twenty nine, Ratliff began acting insane.

32:54 His mother filed an appeal asking for a lunacy hearing. A judge ordered that Ratliff be sent to the Eastland County Jail while he waited to see whether he would be granted the lunacy hearing. His jailers were convinced that he had truly lost his mind. They had to feed him, bathe him, and help him use the toilet. However, one night, after feeding him, the jailers accidentally left his cell unlocked. Seizing the opportunity, Ratliffe, who was anything but insane, sprung into action. Barged out of his cell, grabbed a pistol from a nearby desk, and shot one of his jailers multiple times. The man ended up dying the next day. The other jailer managed to subdue Ratliffe after a violent struggle and returned him to his cell. Townspeople heard about the death of the jailer, and, already infuriated at the lengthy delay for justice, they began gathering outside the jail the next morning. By evening there was a crowd of nearly a thousand people. Many in the crowd began demanding that the surviving jailer bring Ratliffe out and let them dispense mob justice. The jailer refused, but eventually several men overpowered him, grabbed his keys, and dragged Ratliffe outside, stripping him of his clothing on the way. They tied his hands and feet and strung him up from a telephone cable with a length of stout grass rope. The rope broke, however, and Ratliff fell to the ground. Someone in the mob found some stronger rope, and their second attempt succeeded. Marshall Ratliffe was pronounced dead at nine to fifty five pm

34:25 on November nineteenth, nineteen twenty nine. His body was taken to a local furniture store, where it was left on display until the next day, when a judge ordered Ratleff's corpse to be hidden from view. I have no idea why his body was taken to a local furniture store. Maybe just to prop them up in the window so the townspeople could see it. I guess yeah. There were mixed feelings about the angry mob justice dispensed to Marshall Ratliffe. The editor of The Sweetwater Reporter newspaper wrote, quote, from the standpoint of stark justice, the lynching of Marshall Ratliffe accomplished good from the standpoint of law. It has blotted Texas with another crime as important of as either of these. However, it stands as a terrific indictment of today's judicial system and the legal profession. Delay, delay, delay, technicality, on technicality. The public is steadily becoming more and more disgusted with the processes of our courts, and this lynching would never have had to take place were it not for the procrastination of our judicial proceedings. Unless the better element in the legal profession succeeds soon in a revision of practices, the public may be driven to do it for them. I wonder how they would feel about today's justice system. A grand jury was convened to investigate the lynching, but no charges were ever brought against any members of the mob. A couple days after Ratleff's death, his mother was given possession of his body. She held a funeral at a local chapel, attended by family and curiosity seekers.

35:57 As people were gathering at the chapel, a Christmas parade coincidentally passed by promoting a holiday sale for a local department store, leading the parade none other than Santa Claus. The story of the Santa Claus bank robbery is now part of local folklore in Cisco, Texas. The first National Bank still stands, although it's in a different building. There's a painting of the robbery and a collection of newspaper clippings and pictures. In nineteen sixty seven, the Texas Historical Commission erected a memorial on the site to commemorate the event. And that is the story of the Santa Claus Bank robbery. Oh interesting, the sad story. I know. I did try to look for a story that did not have any death or killing in it, but I just there just wasn't anything.

36:43 I'm going they call it crime for a reason, right, Yeah, I guess. So. I did enjoy your use of sound effects. Oh good? Should we do that for every case? I think it's because it's an old timey case. It kind of fit in. That's like the gunfire. And I'm not sure that was probably maybe the best you know, right, but yeah, no, it was, it was. It was good. Cool. Well, a few days ago you posted a query on our social media, asking people if they had questions for us. You've wanted to do this for a while, and I was like, nope, I don't want to answer any personal questions. I didn't know if we'd get any questions, but it sounds like we're really I have not seen them, but. Yes, as usual, our listeners are the loveliest people, and we got a lot of, you know, just nice questions.

37:27 So thank you. If you submitted a question, If you have a question you're dying to know, then you can send it to me and maybe we'll do this again. We'll see if you guys enjoyed this or not. Are you ready for some hard hitting questions? I don't know if I am, but let's do it. Well. Some of them are softballs, like what are your plans for the holidays? Okay, well, oh you're asking. Okay. My plans for the holiday is to do as little as possible. Yeah, and sleep in and wear my pajamas. Mostly sleep in though that's the thing. I can't sleep been anywhere, but I will try. I'm going to try to sleep in. Okay. We had talked about going away because no one wanted anything for Christmas, and we're like, well, we could take a trip for a Christmas present, but everyone kind of decided that we'd rather stay home and watch movies and play games and play with our new Christmas things.

38:16 And yeah, that week is just very relaxing. I really enjoy that downtime. It's it's important to recharge. What is your favorite Hallmark Christmas movie? Gosh, there's so many. Yeah, there's so many good ones that it's really hard to choose. I don't know what's your favorite? Well, I have two that I really love. One is The Nine Lives of Christmas. It's just the sweetest movie. And the other one is The Most Wonderful Time of the Year. It's an older one. Henry Winkler's in it, and it's just a really, really funny one. Okay, I would say The Kansas City Chiefs one that came out this year. But I what's your favorite Christmas movie?

38:58 Do You a Wonderful Life? You know what? That is definitely my favorite. We watch it almost every year. I think we didn't last year, but it's uh, yeah, I just love that movie. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Mine is Elf. Yeah, I love Elf. Two. So, speaking of Hallmark movies, would you be a good Hallmark guy or a bad Hallmark guy. I think you would be better equipped answer that question than me. I don't know, what do you think. Kind of think you'd be the bad guy. I would enjoy being the bad guy more. Because you don't well they're not really usually just in the first five minutes when they break up and then you know. But you don't wear a lot of flannel and you don't wield an axe very often. So I think you'd you'd be the city guy who even though you don't live in the city, but you're the career guys.

39:40 Okay, yeah, Fortunately, I don't think you would forgot the meaning of Christmas and yeah, yeah, that's. That's probably who you'd play. Our good friend Kylie from Primetime Crime asks, I need rich in Tina's origin story. And we have told this, it's kind of it's a little lanky, but do you want to take a stab at it? We talked about this on a Patreon episode honoring your friend. Our friend Kevin. Right, who passed away earlier this year. Yeah, and it's still hard to talk about, but yeah, he and his wife were pivotal in our meeting. We met at their wedding. So Kevin was a friend of mine that I grew up with, had known since sixth grade. So he was my childhood best friend.

40:21 Yeah, so we met at a wedding. It took us a while to get together, not until the second wedding. The first wedding story in Illinois, and we didn't get together at that wedding. We met, but we you. Know, I lived in Illinois and you lived in Michigan. So we did long distance. For yes, a while, and then there was a second reception a few weeks later in Michigan. You came to that and that was where we connected. And then we had a long distance relationship for a while, and then eventually you moved out here. We were both kind of seeing other people when we met. I had just broken up with someone also named Well. It was funny because I remember when we met, I was just like, well, I mean because my friend had told me because I had a boyfriend that we were like broken up, but we were still kind of, you know, entangled, and so she was like, you need to get rid of that guy, and let's look at the guest list and see who you can hook up with. And she was like, well, rich just broke up with Tina and I just don't see you guys together, and here we are proving them. Yeah. So many years later, another question from one of our favorite podcasts, Severed, do you like Gobba gooul.

41:31 I? So our friends from Severed are from New Jersey and all things love, all things soprano and and Jersey. To be honest, I thought gobbagle was like any Italian cured meat. But it's it's it's not right, so I didn't didn't really know, but yeah, yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah I love. I love pretty much all Italian cured meats. I do too, and cured meat is just it's not a health food. We really shouldn't be eating it, but it is delicious. What is your death row meal? My death row meal is probably fried chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy and peasco. Says, all have peace for my glass and meal.

42:12 Like these are so good frozen not canned. Oy, gotcha. I would just choose like snacks, Ye choose like chips and dip and cheese and crackers, And I really would. It's like like a chocolate chip cookie. Maybe you know, it would just be it would? I truly do love snack foods. I wouldn't ask for any peas or vegetables. Maybe some fruit because I really do love fruit. Maybe some really like a perfect and I'm sure like the prison would make sure. Oh it's a perfectly ripe strawberry. You don't get those very often, that's true. Will you ever post a picture? We get this A lot? Yeah, a lot, A lot. I'm going to let you answer that one.

42:52 Well, we would, but rich is hideous if I'm gonna be honest with you, So we just don't. Glad you kunda laugh at that. I think we're saving it for only fans. Make a lot. You are on fire, You're hilarious. I mean we might someday, I don't know. We haven't. We haven't for a lot of reasons, and one of them is just our safety and our privacy. I know most podcasters post pictures, and good for them, but for us, I just I don't know. I feel safer people not knowing our faces. I'm in ritually isn'tos. I don't tell him I said it, but he's really not idious. He's actually very handsome, and I'm probably okay looking to you are very beautiful. We're pretty private people, and our kids, who have been very, very supportive, have also asked us not to talk about them on the podcast, so we try to as little as possible. So we love you guys, but for now, I think we feel just more comfortable not posting pictures or any super personal information, although I should say if an opportunity comes our way to be feature you're done a magazine article, or to be speak at an event or exactly, or be featured on twenty twenty, we have had a couple of you don't think that was happening, Well, I don't know.

44:11 I'm guessing twenty twenty is second. We've had a couple of producers reach out to us. Nothing has come to fruition, so it's it's possible we would have. Possibly you will see us on your television some. Yeah, and we would let you know. And you know, so anyway, what's your first kiss story? We'll let you know when it happens, my personal first kiss story or our. First Okay, oh I wasn't the first. I was the first Gale Gale to cut your eyes one or two before you. But well, our first kiss story we disagree on. So we talked. Yeah, we talked about this before. I am certain our first kiss happened when we were dancing at the second reception. You say that it happened when you were getting in the car to leave. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure I'm right, But you are probably pretty sure you're right also, So we're going to have to disagree, agree to disagree.

45:01 Yeah, I vehemently disagree with you because I would not have kissed you on that because it was like a reception that was like on a Sunday afternoon. It was like broad daylight. I would not sad, but you don't remember our first chiding. It's sad that you don't remember that you were kissing some other lady. I remember kissing you at the car also, but I just remember the earlier kiss as well. Whatever. This is gonna be a tough one to answer. But what is your favorite cheese? It really depends on the application of the cheese. Very true. I can't just say I have a favorite cheese on its own, like on a cheeseburger. I know it's a controversial agree, but American cheese. You know, we both agree on now the best cheese on a cheeseburger. But in general, I would probably say, like a Vermont sharp cheddar.

45:47 Yeah you really love a sharp cheddar? Yeah? I do. I love it. I think lately I've been into smoked guda. Guda is really good. It is also good melted on a burger. It's very good on a burger. I have to go get some. There's someone of the refrigerator. Actually, if Dateline only wanted to hire one of you, would you take that opportunity? Or are you a package deal? Yeah? I take it. I think we're I think we're a package. I think you're a package deal too. Gosh, I don't know who this this question came from, but how lucky are you to be married to a smart, handsome guy like rich?

46:29 Who asked that? And I also got a question that says, how do you tolerate being married to such a narcissistic husband? Like, I'm just kidding. That question I believe came from you, And I mean, it's hard because the ladies are They're all over them all the time. I have to fight them off all the time. What is your favorite true crime podcast? Mine is about Time for True Crime. They might have asked that question. That's nice. Well, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I really don't listen to any true crime podcasts anymore. I used to listen to some occasionally. Sometimes I would like, make you listen. I'd be like, oh, you got to listen to this.

47:10 Well. I love like some of the long form ones, like Yeah, I think it was s Town was the first one. I really such an amazing love that. But honestly, I just don't have time anymore. I wish I did. Some of the people that I really adore are True Crime B and B Highi from Primetime Crime, About Time for True Crime, True Crime University, and I know I'm forgetting some but they're just really great people and they're producing great podcasts, so please listen to them if you haven't already. I know I'm forgetting some people too, but Case File is really great. I don't listen to it very often. I like to go to sleep to Dateline and Keith. If I can't get to sleep, he can just lull me within seconds. And Southern Tried Southern Fried True Crime is also really good. She has like just this syrupy Southern voice and it's really great. The ladies at en Meshed are really great, and Melissa and daniel Lette Till Death to us part. They're all great people with great podcasts. What were your first impressions of each other upon meeting for the first time.

48:15 Well, I thought you were really cute. We met in church. We didn't mention that, but we were in the rear. Yeah, you were in front of me, and I just thought you were really, really cute. I think I've said this before, but your voice. I was like, oh, he has the nicestvoice. And you were very handsome too, And I remember exactly what you were wearing, and I don't want to embarrass you, but I think that was a really good outfit. And knowing you, I was like, that was I don't know how you put that outfit together, but you looked really nice and stylish, and that must have been somewhat of an anomaly, but yeah, that was. That was fun. I think we knew you know, actually, I thought because you were a little older and I was a little bit of a mess and you know, still figuring things out, and you.

49:02 Just seem really perky and bubbly and like you just seem happy and fun and I got I got that vibe right away from you. Oh that's so nice. You seemed a little, very, very, a little serious actually, like I think you were nervous. In retrospect, you're probably really nervous, like walking to church, I'm going to talk to this redheaded girl, and yeah, I was, Yeah, because I think you and I think there was a lot of people there that like knew our friends, and we were both kind of like outliers. I think a lot of their college friends were there, and we were more like their high school friends. So I think maybe that's why you. And I Yeah, I didn't really know anyone else. There are very few people there, so yeah, I think we gravitated toward each other a little bit. And then another funny true story, like at the wedding, the first wedding, we hooked up with the different people, right, yeah, which is a little inmarrassing retrospect.

49:52 You know it happens. How did you end up starting a podcast? This is from our good friend Yarna. Oh well, I think your best to answer that. I mean, it was really your idea. I don't know if it was. I thought it was just kind of a mutual, like, hey, why don't we just do this? And your son was leaving for college and we were kind of becoming empty nesters, and i'd you know, been a stay at home mom and volunteer at the schools for years and years, and I was just like, well, I need to do something. I'm not sure what I need to do, and we're just like, hey, let's try this. Yeah, we really didn't think what would we would be doing it for long? Yeah, I think it was. It was something. I mean I remember you mentioning it a few times, and it was semi serious, like you would mention it, but we kind of would joke about it a little bit, and eventually I think we just agreed, let's just give it a try and see what happens.

50:41 Why did we end up doing true crime and not something else, Well. I don't know. I mean, I think we've always enjoyed We've never been like true crime obsessed, I would say, but we've always enjoyed watching like documentaries and different shows. And yeah, I think we watched Twisty and Dateline all. That, you know, not all the time, but yeah, regularly, and we would always have good discusssions about it. So I think, I don't know. That's probably if. You could make a podcast about something other than true crime, what would it be. I think everyone knows what your answer. Is I don't know what my answer is. Really, Really, I would think you would either do a music podcast or a sports podcast. Yes, probably classic rock. That would probably be my first choice. I love sports, but I'm not I don't feel like I'm a sports expert by any What about.

51:24 You, U Bravo Real Housewife? Yeah, I thought you would say baking, but I mean I. Like to bake, but I don't want that. I really don't want that to be my identity. I mean, I just I really love the Bravo network. I love I don't watch all the shows and actually have really cut back quite a bit. But yeah, I think I think you and our daughter could start a good podcast because when you when the two of you get to talking about you but you're really I could tell you're really into it. Yeah. How much would could a would chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck? Would well, Danny a woodchuck chuck as much wood as woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

52:05 Wow? Who asked that question? Danny? And Danny is like she has my heart because she is the first listener that ever reached out and sent us a very nice message so gez Og. Yeah, love you, Danny. So our friend chat GPT said. A wildlife expert once estimated that if a woodchuck could chuck wood, and assuming it chucked wood as energetically as it digs dirt, it might chuck about seven hundred pounds of wood. Of course, this is all just for fun. Woodchucks or groundhogs actually don't chuck wood at all. What are you looking forward to in twenty twenty five in the true crime sense.

52:46 Well, there are a few things on cases that we've covered that I'm waiting for. One is, if you remember, we covered the piked In massacre, which was in Ohio, and there's one trial that is still to take place. I think I kimmerad the guy's names, the father, George, I think, and I believe his trial is supposed to happen in early twenty twenty five, and that'll probably be a long one, I would think. So. Yeah, the Karen Reid thing I'm very interested in. It's supposed to start in January. I'd probably cover that just a little. Bit, yeap. And then the only other thing I was gonna mention is we covered the case of Emily Noble, and I interviewed Matthew Moore a couple months ago we posted that as a bonus episode, and he said something kind of intriguing about a true crime show on A and E or am is it eight? I think it was A and E? Okay, that is coming out later this year or later in twenty twenty five, and I'm very curious about what that is going to be all about.

53:39 Well, the Brian Coberger case, Yeah, that's I believe that's supposed to happen in twenty twenty five and Corey Richins, which since we published that episode, there have been a few updates, and so I am looking forward to watching both of those. Yeah, what is the case that you're most proud of that you covered or we've covered. That's honestly a really tough question for me, because I really, I mean, I love doing this, I love doing the research, I love telling the stories, and so almost every case that that I've researched myself, I feel really like just good about yeing it. So it's hard for. Me to say it's interesting because I feel similarly, I feel more is like there's only a couple that I feel like I didn't do as good of a job either that I kind of ran out of time because you know, because of our schedule, sometimes you have to push it out a little faster than what we might want to. But yeah, I'm pretty proud of every case we've done.

54:36 Same when people if someone asks me, oh, if I just could listen to one episode, which one would I listened to. The one that I recommend to them is the story about Carrie Farvar, Liz Gallier, and Dave Krupa. Not because I'm the most proud of it, but it's to me, it was one of the craziest stories that we've ever told. I thought the one that you told, the Marie Hilly story was crazy. I mean, you did a really good job with that case because it was so complicated. So yeah, I think you should I mean you should be I know, you work really hard and you should be proud of all of them. So you didn't pick a case that I worked on. You picked a case and you worked on So my work is secondary to you. I'm just kidding. I know what, when we personally like research, it's just like you're.

55:19 Just more you immerse yourself the weeks into a case, and I have like a really bad memory to be honest. So sometimes like I forget the cases unless I've spent two three weeks like focused intently on it. We got comments a lot on Spotify or Instagram or wherever, people commenting on older cases, and I'm like, I have no I'm sorry, I have no recollection that this. Yeah, it is hard. I also have a bad memory. I think this year one of my favorite cases was the Phil Hartman case, just because we played so many of the clips and that was just it felt like a special episode and. I felt like he seemed like someone that you knew, just because you've seen him in so many things. Do you guys swear in real life?

55:59 It is a funny question because there's a. Reason why we we did in the beginning, and there's a reason why we opted to try to as little as possible unless we are reading a quote. Do you want to talk about it for a second. Well, it's funny because I don't think we do swear a lot in real life. But I have nothing against swearing. I kind of do. I mean, not a lot of much, but you do occasionally, so do I. But anyway, we did, like early on in the podcast, we probably did swear a little more often and then we did a case once about a young woman who was killed, and her mother actually sent us an email and it was the nicest email, because you know, I think we're always a little bit nervous about like families listening and are we doing them justice? Are we saying the right things? And she emailed us and told us that she appreciated the way that we covered her daughter's story. But she also mentioned in her email and I appreciate the fact that you guys don't swear very much, and so I think that was a moment for us where we're like, yeah, we don't really, we don't need to need to swear.

56:56 And so it's just out of respect for you know, thectims. Yeah, this is going to be a hard one. If you could solve any cold case, what case would it be? That is a hard one. I think the first one that jumps to my is John Benet Ramsey. But for me, I'm going to go with the Oakland County child killer. Oh okay, because that's someday I'm going to cover that case. It's not a love Mary kill case. It was a serial killer in the Detroit area who killed several young children. And I was growing up at that time. I was about the age of the victims and it was never officially solved, which just really kills me that there wasn't justice for those kids. For your birthday, I got you a new book about that. Yeah. I'm really looking forward to diving into that.

57:37 Yeah, I would say other than to jump Van A. Ramsey, because I would like to solve that one. Ellen Greenberg that case. It just we did that case. I'm not sure if that's one of the cases where I felt like I could have worked on that for two months because there's a lot of information, a lot of court documents. Her death just remained such a mystery and it was classified as a suicide, and I just don't really believe it was a suicide. One last question, will you ever do the Jean Benet Ramsey case? And that is the question for you, It is a question for me. Yes, I don't know. I won't. I won't rule it out. I was listeners I you were, and I asked Rich to do it this Christmas and he said no. So that's all I wanted for Christmas. So overwhelming and it is and I don't I don't know if people really want to hear it again, I'm junkie. Did she did a really long episode on it, and I think they did a really good job.

58:37 Yeah, yeah, someday maybe. Well, thank you so much. If you got through all of those questions, and if you send us a question, we just we really appreciate it. We appreciate all the interactions we have with our listeners. You guys are amazing and we love you so much. Well, that's a great transition into a poem. I wrote a poem to thank our listeners. You do that once in a while, I do. I love I love writing, make it into us. Sometimes you write songs. Yeah, this is strictly a poem. This is strictly a poem. I think you might it might sound familiar to you, but I'll start it and then you can chime in. Are you ready? Yeah. Twas the holiday season, and in the true crime community there was a feeling of peace, tranquility, and unity. The stockings were hung, the nighttime was still. All was quiet in the studios of Love Mary Kill.

59:26 All of the criminals were locked up in jail. The judge was asleep. There was no way to make bail. The holiday preparations all were on track, so Tina and rich sat down for a wee little snack. Our partners in crime were all snug in their beds, while visions of plot twists danced in their heads. With twists and with turns, each episode spun a tale of love, betrayal, and lives come undone. For a moment, we pause from the chilling in grim to thank you, dear listeners, for all tuning in your comments and emails make our hearts feel so light, like finding new lose on a dark stormy night. For every late night you've spent listening to us on the treadmill, the couch, or even the bus. For rating and sharing, for spreading the word, Your kindness and loyalty never go unheard.

1:00:13 So here's to you, dear listeners from near and afar you've joined us each week wherever you are, with love and with gratitude. We're making a toast to you, all our friends. We love you the most. Just one final thing before we bid you farewell, a piece of advice that we think is swell, whether by poison or gun or by knife. Please don't kill your husband and. Don't kill your wife. Happy holidays.

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