Allison and Gerard Baden-Clay - Part 1

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I am Rich and I'm Tina.
And if there's one thing we've learned in

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over twenty years of marriage, some
days you'll feel like killing your husband,

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and some days you'll feel like killing
your wife. Welcome, so love Mary

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kill Hi, Tina, Hey Rich, how are you? I'm great?

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How are you good? Did you
forget our opening? No? I was

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just looking at your script and I
was and I forgot that. I had

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to say the last thing. You're
a little distracted, always spontaneous here.

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I love Mary Kilpie. I know
well. I can't wait to share today's

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case with you. We're going to
Australia to discuss the case. What happened

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to the accent that you had earlier? I was going to tell you,

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if I start doing an Australian accent, just stop me because it's I can't,

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you can't. I can confirm it
would be bad better than my ex

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my Australian accent. I don't have
an ear for accents even a little bit.

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Used to. When I was a
kid, I felt like I could

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do accents really well. And well, when we first met, you were

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you could do a lot of different
voices. Yeah, wasn't Yogi Bear one

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of your Yogi bear? Did you
do Yogi bear? Maybe maybe I did?

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Maybe it was boo boo? All
right, I know you have a

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snack for me and you said it
was going to get cold. Yes,

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and I know I don't really want
to eat it. But I don't think

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you know what it is? What
do you What do you think it is?

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I who know? It was almost
positive it was marmite. I can't

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believe you would think it was marmite. Well, okay, here's one of

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my clues. You literally have a
mug that I've never seen before in my

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life. And what does the mug
say on it? Does it say marmite?

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I thought it? Did? It
says vegemite? Oh marmite? Okay,

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I got the Yes, marmite is
a British food. Vegemite is Australian.

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Yes, I apologize. I hope
you haven't insulted our Australian listeners.

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But I made you vegemite toast.
I'm shocked. Yeah, So this is

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funny because my friend Dave lives in
Australia. I saw him a couple of

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weeks ago in New York and I
messaged him randomly. I said, this

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is going to be a weird request, but could you bring me a little

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bit of vegetable? So much?
David, I really appreciate it. For

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some reason, it just seems really
gross to me. He sent me this

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little tiny jar of vegemite, and
he brought me this vegemite coffee mug.

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Very very kind. But well,
it's nice that he brought the little the

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little tiny jar. But I didn't
just bring vegemite toast because I have a

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feeling we're going to hate it.
I also brought tim tams, which is

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a very We've had this well known
Australian stackt and I know you like these.

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That's Australia Violet Crumbles. Okay,
that's literally my favorite candy bar.

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But you have to try the vegemite
toast before you get the well, okay,

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I appreciate you trying to sweeten the
sweeten the deal for me. All

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Right, we'll be right back.
How is your vegemite? You know,

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I didn't hate it as much as
it really wasn't that bad. It was

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kind of it was interesting, very
very full of flavor. But you put

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butter on the toast before you put
the vegemite, right, and so that

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was nice to have that you know, but yeah, and you just put

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a really thin amount of vegemite on. I think a lot of people are

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under the mistaken impression that you put
a whole bunch of it on. But

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it's like you just put a really
thin layer. That wasn't bad. I

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had some tea here, so I
did feel very Australian. I guess eatings

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ts tea is well. Anyway,
it was. It wasn't bad. And

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the Tim Tams and the violets are
delicious. The timcams are really good.

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It was that really good. And
the Violet Crumble we didn't open it because

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I don't want to share it with
you, but it is I don't know.

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I love honeycomb, and it's like
chocolate covered honeycomb, but in like

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a candy bar form and it's pretty
some I don't know, ten inches long

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something like that. And you have
this secret life because I know that the

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Timtams and the Violet Crumble are only
available at World Market near us, And

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so I'm like, when did you
knock out? It's been so busy with

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traveling. I did it on the
way back from the airport, so yeah,

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so I didn't I didn't hate it. The vigemite was I don't know

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if I'd have it again, but
yeah, saying is it good for you?

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Full of brewers East, I have
no idea if it's good for you

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or not, but I think that's
if you're a nursing mom, I think

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you are supposed to consume more brewers
eased to increase your milk production. Man,

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the health it's been a lactating mom. But yeah, Well, this

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will be releasing on Memorial Day,
so Happy Memorial Day to our American listeners.

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Yeah. Sorry, we're not doing
an American case, but it is

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a really interesting case though from Australia. It's the it's a story of Alison

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Baiden Clay and it was suggested to
us a long time ago by our listener

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Amanda, who is from Australia,
So thanks Amanda. Before we get into

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the case, I just want to
give credit to David Murray, who is

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the author of the book The Murder
of Alison Baden Clay. Without this book,

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there's no way I could have gone
as deep as I was able to,

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and it was a really great,
well well written book but also provided

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some great insights into Alison. We
love a good book that gives us lots

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of in depth information. And I
saw on Goodreads that you rated it five

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stars. I did. It was
definitely a five star book. On the

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morning of Friday, April twentieth of
twenty twelve, at six twenty am,

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Jared baden Clay texted his wife Allison, quote, good morning, hope you

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slept well? Where are you?
None of the girls are up yet?

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Love g unquote it's weird when people
sign their texts. Yeah, that is

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weird. I'm already a little suspicious
because why because he signed his text o

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ge But in twenty twelve, I
mean that was I can't remember the form

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of texting it ever had to sign
your texts? No you didn't, but

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yeah, no, you're right you
didn't. Jared later said it wasn't uncommon

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for Alison to go for a walk
in the morning, so he figured that's

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where she was, but she was
set to attend a real estate seminar that

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day. She worked for the Century
twenty one franchise that Jared had started several

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years earlier, and he knew that
she had to leave by seven am if

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she was going to make it.
He tried calling her a couple of times,

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but got no answer. At the
same time, he was getting their

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three daughters, aged ten, eight
and five, up and ready for school.

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Soon he called his parents, who
lived nearby and told them that Alison

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was missing. Jared's dad came by
and watched the kids while Jared went out

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driving around Allison's usual walking routes to
see if he could spot her. At

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seven point fifteen, while he was
still out driving around, Jared called zero

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zero zero, which is the Australian
version of nine one one police emergency.

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What's a location? Good morning,
Brookfield? Where a bauck in Brookfield?

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Five nine three Brookfield? And what's
happening here? I don't want to be

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alarm as I charge of one three
one number, but just went on fore

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them. Yeap my wife at some
time and I don't know where she is.

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When did you last say yourself last
night when we went to bed,

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When I went to bed and I
got up this morning and she she wasn't

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there. And that's not unusual.
She she often goes through a walk in

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the morning. I've texted her and
called her a number of times. I

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think she has her phone with her, But and what time did she normally

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get back when she got this morning. She she was planning to She has

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a seminar in the city, so
she was planning to leave by around seven

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yet, okay, all right?
And what I'm now driving the streets?

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My father's come over and to look
after my children. Yeah, okay.

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So what was what's your name festival? Jared g A d in your last

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name Jared bad and play addy?
Ay? And what's your wife's name?

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Alison with two old and same surname? Okay? And how old is Ellison?

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Forty four? Okay? So you
didn't see her before she got up

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this morning, so okay, all
right? And what's her mobile number?

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Zero four zero one yep? One
four nine yep zero one three zero one

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three? Okay all right? And
how tall is your wife? Another?

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About I fix something like that?
I think okay? And what kind of

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hair she got? Just got it
done last night. It's sort of a

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blondie, brownie reddish, sort of
been looking yep. And how long is

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it shoulder? Name? Okay?
Well, we're going to put a broadcast

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on for the place to give a
look at for your wife. Are you

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going to go back home because you'll
get place to come and say you yeah,

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yep? All right, Jared,
I'll get place to come and see

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you. Okay, what's the best
contact number for you? You're a four

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hundred yep, yep, okay,
just give the call back if she hasn't

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returned before police to get dark.
Kay. Al right, thanks, Jared,

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Bye bye. That's Jared baden Clay. He didn't seem too worried.

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No, very Quite a contrast from
the nine to one to one call on

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the case we did a couple of
weeks ago, was it, David,

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Yeah, yeah, of different situation, of course. Well yeah, because

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she's just missing, she could be
anywhere. Yeah, Exactly Soon after he

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made that call, two police officers
showed up to take the report. Now,

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thousands of people are reported missing every
year in the state of Queensland,

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Australia, and the vast majority turn
up safe within forty eight hours. There

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was no reason for officers to think
this case would be any different, But

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when they showed up to talk to
Jared baden Clay, they immediately were on

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high alert. The reason Jared had
two painful looking scratches on his right cheek.

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The two scratches were parallel to each
other, an inch long, give

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or take, and pretty much vertical, going from his cheek down to his

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jawline. We will post pictures.
Jared explained that the injuries on his cheek

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were because in the rush to get
the kids ready for school, he had

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cut himself shaving. The officers weren't
experts in shaving injuries, but it sure

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didn't look like a shaving injury to
them. To them, it looked much

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more like fingernails had scraped the side
of his face. Jared gave the officers

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his account of the previous night and
that morning. He said Allison was on

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the couch watching the footy show when
he went to bed around ten pm.

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Any idea what the footy show might
be? I think it might be about

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Australian foot Why are you looking at
the script? I mean I would have

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guessed, would you? I don't
think I would have guessed it. Would

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it be show about little socks?
Yes, it's a it's a show about

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Australian football league, like a I
guess sports center for Australian rules football.

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It's a very fun sport to watch. I will say, aren't you in

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some sort of Australian football league?
I am in, like a yeah,

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it's sort of like a fantasy league
and I'm in third place, knowing nothing

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about the sport. Three people,
no like twenty five? Are they all

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Australian except for you? Yep?
And one of them is a former professional

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Australian football player. Oh really cool. But back to our story. Jared

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said he went to bed while Allison
was on the couch watching the footy show.

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He said that he was a heavy
sleeper, so he couldn't be sure

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whether Alison came to bed or not. It wasn't uncommon for her to fall

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asleep on the couch. When he
got up, she was gone out for

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a walk, he assumed. The
officers asked if everything was good in their

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marriage. Jared hesitated and said,
look, there's something I should tell you.

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He went on to tell the officers
that he had been having an affair

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and that Allison had found out about
it. The affair was over, he

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said, and the couple was seeing
a marriage counselor, but Alison had lost

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trust in him. Jared asked the
officers to keep the information about his affair

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confidential, as his family didn't know
about it. Very different than American men

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who would have lied about the affair
for months. True The officers asked if

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they could take a look around the
house, and Jared agreed. Everything was

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neat and tidy. Nothing seemed out
of place, no signs of a fight,

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no signs of any disruption at all. The officers on the scene weren't

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buying Jared's story and quickly called their
superior officer to brief her on the situation.

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Before long, all of Australia would
be captivated by Allison's disappearance, as

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it became one of the biggest media
stories of its time. Alison June Dickie

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grew up in the town of Ipswich
in Queensland, about twenty five miles west

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of Brisbane. Her dad, Jeff, was a fireman who also painted houses

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as a side hustle. Her mom, Priscilla, was a school librarian.

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They lived in a modest house in
a blue collar, working class neighborhood.

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Jeff and Priscilla had three children.
Alison was the middle child, between older

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sister Vanessa and younger brother Ashley.
Alison developed a passion for a ballet at

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an early age. In nineteen seventy
eight, when she was ten, she

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tried out for the prestigious Australian Youth
Ballet Company. More than two hundred and

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twenty boys and girls showed up for
the audition, but fewer than thirty dancers

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would be chosen. Alison didn't make
the cut, but she was good enough

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that she got placed on the alternate
list in case anyone dropped out, and

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sure enough she got the call and
joined the company, which would travel all

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over to put on performances. At
eleven. Alison was profiled in the Queensland

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Times newspaper, where she talked about
the grueling, twenty hour a week just

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routine on top of her school schedule. Our daughter Emma, who you met

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a couple of weeks ago, was
also a ballerina and a dancer in her

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youth and she dedicated. I mean
I think she danced six days a week

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for several hours. It was.
It was really an incredible amount of work.

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Alison loved it, but she was
also very sensitive, sometimes getting physically

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sick before performances because she was so
stressed about the possibility of failing. People

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in the company saw her as thoughtful
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her. At times. She would
become with John and anxious they might find

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her in the dressing room, sitting
cross legged and just rocking back and forth,

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and no one was able to do
anything for her. But soon she

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would be back at rehearsal, smiling
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In July of nineteen eighty the ballet
company went on a month long tour of

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the United Kingdom, where they performed
at the International Festival of Youth Orchestras and

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performing our in Scotland. This trip
helped to ignite in Allison a passion for

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travel and adventure. Her ballet experience
had a massive impact on her life,

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instilling in her a drive, determination
and discipline, along with a constant quest

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for perfection. I think ballerinas are
high strung. I think that is a

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little anxious, and that's from our
personal experience with her daughter and a lot

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of the other dancers we knew growing
up. Every year the dancers in the

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company had to re audition to keep
their spot. In nineteen eighty four,

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at age fifteen, Alison had gained
some weight and after six years she was

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out. Such is the competitive world
of elite youth ballet dancing. So she

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was out because she gained weight.
Yeah, Oh, that's horrible. When

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Alison finished high school. A couple
of years later, she went to Denmark

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with an exchange program through the Rotary
Club and spent a year there. She

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and a friend traveled around Europe during
their time, and in the program they

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visited Paris, Vetics, Vienna,
Salzburg, and Monte Carlo, among other

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places. Alison fell in love with
Paris in particular during her time there.

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On returning to Brisbane, Allison attended
the University of Queensland, where she got

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her degree in psychology. She also
studied Japanese while at university, and when

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she finished, she spent a year
in Japan teaching English. When she returned

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from Japan now twenty two, she
got a job at a tourist resort on

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an island about forty five miles off
the eastern coast of Australia at the south

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end of the Great Barrier Reef.
Her plan was to work on the island

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for a couple of months, save
some money, then returned back to Brisbane

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and established herself at a career,
but she was unsure exactly what career.

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Ideally, she still dreamt of being
on the stage in some capacity. While

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on the island, she met the
resort's a scuba diving instructor, a guy

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named Ian Drayton. Ian fell head
over heels for Allison, and she must

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have felt strongly about him because she
extended her time on the island beyond the

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two months she had originally planned.
But eventually she knew it was time to

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leave, so she headed back to
the mainland. Ian decided he wanted to

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be with her, so he left
his job and followed her back, and

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the two got a place together.
Allison found work as a sales agent for

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a travel agency that sounds like a
good fit, which was a great great

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fit given her love of travel.
Ian wasn't sure what he wanted to do,

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and a friend got him a job
in real estate. After some time

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renting, Allison and Ian bought a
house together. In nineteen ninety one,

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around her twenty third birthday, Ian
proposed to her. She was surprised but

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immediately said yes. Over the next
year or so, the couple went on

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a trip to London, Ireland and
Denmark, and then on a holiday to

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New Guinea. They bought a second
house, and they bought a second Wow,

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they're so young to They bought a
second house in nineteen ninety two,

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which they rented out. It seemed
like they were on a nice path,

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both of them developing in their careers, setting themselves up financially for a secure

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future, owning two homes and getting
rental income from one of them. In

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nineteen ninety three, Allison entered the
Miss Australia pageant, following in the footsteps

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of her mum, who had won
a local pageant in her younger days.

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Alison won the Miss Brisbane pageant and
then six weeks later competed in the Miss

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Queensland pageant, but lost at that
level. Allison's effort and the pageant ended

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up coinciding with her and Ian's relationship
falling apart. Ian didn't really get why

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she wanted to do that, and
probably wasn't as supportive as he could have

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been. Allison started having second thoughts
about the relationship. The couple hadn't set

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a wedding date, and eventually they
just drifted apart and Allison decided to end

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it. She got one of their
homes and Ian got the other. He

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quit the real estate business and went
back to the Barrier reef and his occupation

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as a diving instructor. That's funny
because when you said earlier that he left

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his job, I think people have
a hard time leaving who love the water,

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they have a hard time away from
the water. Yeah, I'm sure

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that was his passion if he was
a scuba instructor. Allison started up a

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relationship with a dentist, but that
didn't last long, as he ditched her

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for another woman while they were vacationing
in London. He later became known as

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Dick had Dan the Dentist internationally,
not just among Allison and her friends.

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It's so weird though, Like that
story, there wasn't a lot more detail

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in the book, but they were
on vacation in London and she was like

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at the subway station. He didn't
show up and she looked what happened And

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then she later saw him with another
woman. It's just bizire, I know.

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After a time, Allison got back
in touch with Ian and visited him

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on Lizard Island where he was teaching. The two reconnected, but Allison was

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still unsure whether she wanted to be
with Ian. She had actually met someone

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new at the travel agency where she
was working, a guy named Jared Baden

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Clay. Jared Clay was born in
England in nineteen seventy, the first child

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of Nigel and Elaine Clay. A
few years later, they had a daughter,

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Olivia, followed by another son named
Adam. When Jared was just two

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years old, the family emigrated to
Rhodesia now known as Zimbabwe when Nigel took

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a job with the government. A
white minority of about two hundred and fifty

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thousand people ruled the country of Rhodesia, which had a population of about five

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million. A civil war also known
as the Rhodesian Bush War had broken out

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in the country, with a three
way battle for control between the minority white

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government and two different rebel factions.
In nineteen eighty, the Zimbabwe African National

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Liberation Army emerged victorious in the war
and Robert Mugabi took over as leader of

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the country, which ultimately became known
as Zimbabwe. Most of the remaining white

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people left the country and the Clays
did the same, heading to Australia.

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At that point. When they got
to Australia, Nigel and Elaine changed their

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family's surname from Clay to Baden Clay. The reason Nigel's grandfather was Robert Baden

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Powell, who was well known as
the founder of scouting, and apparently Nigel

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and Elaine decided that adopting the name
baden Clay would more closely associate the family

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with Lord Baden Powell, thus giving
them more prestige. Jared's great grandfather,

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Robert Baden Powell, had been a
British Army officer. He was highly decorated

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for his service in Malta and South
Africa, where he fought in two different

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wars in the late eighteen hundreds.
He was controversial, being accused of war

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crimes during his service, but was
eventually cleared by a military court. During

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his time in the military, he
wrote a training manual called Aids to Scouting.

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When he completed his service and returned
to England, he found that the

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manual had become a best seller and
was being used by teachers and youth organizations.

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This prompted him to rewrite the book
with a younger audience in mind,

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and it became Scouting for Boys.
Published in nineteen o eight, the Scouting

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for Boys book marked the beginning of
the scouting movement worldwide. The book has

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sold one hundred and fifty men million
copies and was the fourth best selling book

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of the twentieth century. Baden Powell
also adapted it into the book The Handbook

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for Girl Guides, which he co
authored with his sister Agnes Baden Powell,

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and he encouraged Juliette Gordon Lowe to
start the Girl Scouts of America. By

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nineteen twenty two, there were over
a million Scouts in thirty two countries.

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Currently, it's estimated that there are
over fifty four million Scouts worldwide. This

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famous great grandfather would be a point
of pride, almost an obsession for Jared

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baden Clay his whole life. When
he met new people, he would quickly

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bring up his connection to be sure
they knew about it. Were you a

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boy Scout? I was not.
I wasn't either. Were you a girl

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Scout? I wasn't a girl Scout
either? But I was a Girl Scout

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leader? Yeah? And you were
heavily involved in our son was in the

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Scouts for a little bit. Yeah, good times. I mean, the

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Scouts are great. A lot of
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for us it was experience. Yeah. Jared attended a private grammar school in

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Toowoomba, which I think is very
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Brisbane. It was a very traditional
conservative school. To give you an idea

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of the type of school we're talking
about. At Jared's graduation, his headmaster

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said the following in his speech,
presumably as a joke, although we can't

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be sure. Quote, I have
frequently imagined what fun it might be one

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day to produce a gun and shoot
Stone dead. The first boys I saw

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with their socks round their ankles,
their shirt tails hanging out, their hair

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uncombed, or their elbows on the
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would not add much to our litter
problem, and would probably serve as a

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salutary warning to other potential offenders.
Unquote, it's just bizarre. I'm sure

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he meant it as a joke,
but it's just such a bizarre thing to

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say a graduation. Yeah. Later, most classmates didn't remember Jared that well.

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He didn't seem to stand out.
Those who did remember him said he

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seemed like a nice guy, but
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People did remember his parents, though, referring to Nigel as insufferable and a

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Lane as even worse. Well after
completing high school, Jared enrolled in a

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Bachelor of Business program at the school
that would later become the University of South

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Queensland. Again, he didn't really
stand out one way or another. Friends

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said he was relatively boring during his
college years. During college, he signed

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up for officer training with the Australian
Army Reserves to continue the family tradition of

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service. With a couple years of
college remaining, Jared got a job with

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the accounting firm KPMG Pete Marwick.
He worked there for two years while he

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completed his degree, but then left
the accounting job, deciding that it wasn't

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for him. After a year at
another company, he got a job as

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a travel agent with a growing agency
called flight Center Travel Group. After a

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year there, he took on a
new assignment, heading up flight Center's new

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twenty four hour phone service team.
This new assignment was in a different building,

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and that's where he met Alison Dickey. By the time Allison met Jared

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in nineteen ninety five, she had
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She had been promoted to run an
office and then promoted again to be

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the company's global HR manager. At
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One day, she was having computer
problems and Jared, who was good with

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computers, helped her out. Soon
after meeting, they were both at a

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conference with some other colleagues from Flight
Center. Jared had a friend also attending

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the conference who had mentioned to Jared
that he found Alison attractive. So Jared

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arranged to dinner and seated his friend
opposite to Allison to try to set them

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up, But as the dinner went
on, Jared realized that he was attracted

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to Alison himself. After the dinner, he asked his friend what he thought.

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His friend said, Allison was nice, but probably not a love connection,

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So that opened the door for Jared. Later that night, he offered

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to walk Allison back to her hotel
room and they kissed good night. Ali

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thought Jared was handsome and he had
exemplary manners. She also liked that he

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was ambitious and he treated her well, but she was still torn between Jared

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and her old flame, Ian Drayton, the scuba instructor. Was Ian more

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exciting Jared sounds a little boring.
Maybe maybe that was kind of the conflict.

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Drayton came to visit Alison for a
weekend and they stayed at a fancy

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hotel. Recently, Alison and Jared
had a night away and she had gone

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to take a shower, leaving her
clothes lying disheveled on the bed. When

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she got out of the shower,
she saw that Jared had ironed them and

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hung them up neatly. During her
weekend with Ian. She decided to do

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the same thing to see what he
would do. When she got out of

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the shower, she found her clothes
lying crumpled up where she had left them.

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I'm not sure if that was a
deciding factor for her, but she

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did later tell her friends that it
had been sort of a test. What

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man is going to take your clothes
and iron them and hang them up,

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Jared baden Clay, I mean,
that's I don't think you've ever done know,

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you've never done that. In any
case, Alison was so stressed about

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the situation that she had a panic
attack during her weekend with Ian, and

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he had to take her to the
hospital. The medical staff cleared her to

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leave after a couple of hours,
and then she broke down crying and told

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Ian that she wanted to break things
off. He was heartbroken. If only

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he had ironed her clothes. Things
might have turned out completely different. From

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that point, Alison and Jared were
exclusive. There were some warning signs of

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things to come in those early days. Alison brought Jared to her family's Christmas

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gathering with about fifty relatives. It
was a loud, raucous gathering, but

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Jared wasn't very sociable. He hid
out in a bedroom and worked. Alison

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made excuses, saying it was a
really busy time at work, but her

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family got the impression that Jared believed
he was better than them. Eventually,

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Jared proposed to Alison. Instead of
saying yes right away, she asked him

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for a week to think about it. Not a good sign, no,

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but she did say yes. After
the week was over. Jared seemed to

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consult with his parents about everything,
and he asked them when he and Alison

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should get married. His parents saw
that their own anniversary was on a Saturday

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in the upcoming year, so they
said, hey, you should get married

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on our anniversary. Wouldn't that be
neat? So Jared and Allison set the

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date August twenty third, nineteen ninety
seven, on Nigel and Elaine's twenty seventh

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anniversary. We get married on August
twenty second yeap the newly married couples at

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honeymoon was epic, and it also
served as a transition to new jobs and

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a new life in the UK.
They traveled to Kuala Lumpur briefly, then

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spent ten days at a resort in
the Maldives, followed by two plus weeks

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in Turkey, two weeks in Jordan, a quick stop in Israel, two

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weeks in Egypt, two weeks traveling
through Spain, Portugal and Morocco, and

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then they traveled through the Netherlands,
Germany and Switzerland. Ooh, I know,

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it's crazy amazing. They finally ended
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seven, where Jared got a job
at Blockbuster as a financial systems consultant.

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Alison got a job with Dale Carnegie
Training. It didn't pay much and was

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a step down from her career in
Australia. Jared was now the primary breadwinner,

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which seemed to be important to him, as Allison's friend Carrie Anne later

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said everything had to be about Jared. The couple had settled in the UK,

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but they didn't stay long. They
started planning a three month trip across

406
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:32.359
South America starting in September of nineteen
ninety eight. Before that, though,

407
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.160
they left their jobs at the start
of the summer and they went to the

408
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:40.319
Swiss Alps for three months, volunteering
at a Scout center and carrying on Jared's

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00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:52.759
great grandfather's scouting legacy. We'll be
back after a break. Before starting their

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00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:57.440
South American adventure, Jared and Alison
had to start taking medication to prevent malaria.

411
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.240
At that time, there were two
different options. One had to be

412
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.359
taken daily, while the other was
a weekly dose. The weekly alternative,

413
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:10.319
with the brand name Larium, was
more convenient, but also had some scary

414
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:15.599
potential side effects, including anxiety,
paranoia, depression, restlessness, unusual behavior,

415
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:22.559
confusion, and terrifyingly vivid hallucinations and
nightmares. Well that sounds like fun.

416
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.039
The side effects can persist even after
the medication is stopped, but the

417
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:32.720
side effects generally affected a small percentage
of people and only those with a history

418
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:37.480
of mental illness. It's weird,
and at this time in the late nineteen

419
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.640
nineties, these side effects hadn't been
widely reported and weren't taken that seriously.

420
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:47.720
Alison and Jared not having any history
of diagnosed mental illness. Chose the larium.

421
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.799
They started taking it two weeks before
flying to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil,

422
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.480
in September of nineteen ninety eight.
Their travels took them across Bolivia,

423
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:02.039
Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay and Ecuador. These people are so well traped.

424
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.359
Oh my gosh. At some point
Jared noticed that Allison wasn't her usual adventurous

425
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:12.000
self. She had become anxious and
withdrawn. In Bolivia, they had planned

426
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:17.039
to go see the silver mines,
but Alison curled up in bed and refused

427
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.000
to leave the hotel room. She
later seemed like she was back to normal,

428
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.839
so Jared thought maybe she had just
been nervous about visiting the mines.

429
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:30.160
However, when they went back to
the UK, Alison completely crashed. She

430
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.680
started hallucinating and freaking out, and
then she became catatonic. Jared took her

431
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.839
to see a doctor who said now
that she had stopped taking the larium,

432
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.480
she should be fine. After some
time passed, and she did improve eventually.

433
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.759
Actually scary, though, isn't it
horrifying? I'm so glad she got

434
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:51.680
better. After Christmas nineteen ninety eight, Jared and Alison went back to their

435
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.279
Scout center in the Swiss Alps,
where Jared was hired on a nine month

436
00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.880
contract to be assistant director. Jared
loved it, scouting in his blood,

437
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.240
and as we've already said, he
was exceedingly proud of his family history and

438
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.119
their connection to scouting. He wanted
to stay, thinking he would be in

439
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.920
line for the job of director,
but there wasn't much for Allison here at

440
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.319
this remote location in the Swiss Alps. She did low level administrative work for

441
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.160
the scouting center, but it was
a far cry from her work at the

442
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.160
Flight Center on Australia, where it
seemed she was on a fast track to

443
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.759
upper management. She hadn't wanted to
leave Australia to begin with, but once

444
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:32.160
again it was all about Jared and
what he wanted. So after his nine

445
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:37.519
month contract was up, they stayed
at the Scout Center, but the director

446
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.039
job that Jared coveted didn't materialize,
so at the end of nineteen ninety nine

447
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.000
they decided to return to Australia.
Jared's mind, they were just going to

448
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:50.640
stop back in Brisbane for a short
time to regroup and then they would do

449
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.279
some more traveling. But while they
were back in Queensland Flight Center reached out

450
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.279
to Allison to see if she would
come back to work part time to help

451
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.880
them plan their annual conference, and
she said yes. During this time,

452
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:07.400
the Queensland Times newspaper caught up with
Alison to do a profile on the former

453
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.440
childhood ballet star and beauty queen,
and the piece, she was quoted as

454
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:15.799
saying, quote at the moment,
I'm at a fairly transitional period in my

455
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.079
life. I've always had goals and
this is the next big step. It's

456
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.440
a strange time. It's been good
to just sit back and have the time

457
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:27.119
and then be able to say which
direction to go in end quote. It

458
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.599
seemed that Allison was at a crossroads
in her life. Once Allison started back

459
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.640
working at Flight Center, Jared also
applied for work there and ended up in

460
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.000
a new division of the company called
Global Online. There was this new thing

461
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:44.319
of the time called the internet.
Well I think I've heard that, and

462
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:49.039
Flight Center realized that they should figure
out a way to offer travel services online.

463
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.680
So that was the mission of the
new organization and that was where Jared

464
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.160
was going. He was he heading
the organization, No, I think he

465
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.079
was just part of it. It
was a smart move, but they were

466
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.400
maybe a little too early and also
had no idea what they were doing.

467
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.799
It was a time when every business
was trying to figure out how to best

468
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.519
leverage the power of the Internet,
and there was no roadmap on how to

469
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:13.360
figure it out. Flight Center burned
through the budget they had put towards this

470
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.480
new endeavor and it didn't catch on
with the market, so they shut it

471
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:21.280
down after six months and Jared found
himself out of work. Doesn't it seem

472
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.639
like that should have caught on and
if it didn't, like then one year

473
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:28.920
later they would have been, you
know, trying internet sales again. Yeah,

474
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:30.719
I'm sure they did, like probably
not long after that, but I

475
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.840
think that was their first attempt just
didn't work out. In late two thousand,

476
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:37.840
Allison found out that she was pregnant
with the couple's for his child.

477
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.840
They were both excited, but it
was also stressful because Jared was out of

478
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.960
work. They did have some money
saved, and Jared started dabbling an online

479
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:52.519
stock trading in a makeshift office that
he had set up in their garage.

480
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.800
Allison had a hard time emotionally both
during the pregnancy and after their baby,

481
00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:00.800
girl Hannah, was born in July
of two thousand and one. Her mom,

482
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.800
Priscilla, came to help out after
the baby was born, and she

483
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.320
was surprised to find a baby monitor
set up in the kitchen where Jared could

484
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.039
listen to anything going on in the
home from his office in the garage.

485
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.719
At one point, while they were
outside, Allison told her mum that Jared

486
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.440
could hear anything everyone said in the
house, so they should bear that in

487
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.280
mind. He said that it was
just so that if Alison needed anything,

488
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:27.599
she could just call his name and
he would be right there. The guy

489
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:32.480
huh. Jared's stock market trading didn't
go well once nine eleven happened. The

490
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:37.559
market tanked and he sold everything off
in a panic at a loss. He

491
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.599
also had a job lined up at
the time to chaperone college students on a

492
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:44.800
trip to India and Nepal, but
that fell through because of nine to eleven

493
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.800
as well, but Jared still managed
to go on holiday in Europe with his

494
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:52.639
brother near the end of two thousand
and one, even though Allison was struggling

495
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.719
with her mental health and dealing with
a six month old at home. Fortunately,

496
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.679
she did have the help of her
parents. When Jared turned from his

497
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.079
vacation, he found that the real
estate market in Brisbane was booming. From

498
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.519
nineteen ninety to two thousand, the
median home price increased by forty six percent,

499
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:14.920
and home values were still accelerating.
Median prices would increase another one hundred

500
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.960
and sixty percent from two thousand to
two thousand and seven. A lot of

501
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:22.719
people were moving to Queensland, known
as the Sunshine State in Australia, and

502
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.960
there was a shortage of housing,
driving prices up. Realtors were making a

503
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.400
killing, so Jared decided on this
as his new vocation. Although he had

504
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:37.599
no experience, realtors were expanding and
desperate to find people. Jared was well

505
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.320
spoken, university educated, and he
had a sales background from his job at

506
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.840
Flight Center, and that was enough
for him to get hired by an agency

507
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.239
in two thousand and two after responding
to a classified ad. They offered him

508
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.119
the job, but Jared had one
condition. If they wanted him, they

509
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:58.480
had to hire his parents as well. Nigel and Elaine were getting close to

510
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.079
retirement age, but they hadn't seen
up enough money, so they were looking

511
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:06.599
for some way to supplement their savings. The firm that hired Jared agreed that

512
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.719
they would hire all three of them
as a team, but Nigel and a

513
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:14.320
Lane would basically work for Jared.
He would subcontract them and pay them based

514
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.280
on the commissions that the three of
them had made. That is a wild

515
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:21.039
demand to me. You have to
hire my parents or I'm not going to

516
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.639
work for you. And the history
of the world, I don't think anyone

517
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:28.119
else has probably ever said you have
to hire my parents as well. Yeah,

518
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.800
it was very bizarre. Everyone at
the firm was a little taken aback

519
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.920
when the three baden Clays showed up
at the office. The family was overly

520
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.280
affectionate, always hugging and kissing each
other. Jared seemed to consult with his

521
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.039
parents about every decision, and he
referred to them as Mummy and Daddy.

522
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.920
Jared's boss eventually pulled him aside and
said, you should probably call them Nigel

523
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.880
and a Lane, especially when you're
around customers or other employees. Do you

524
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:59.719
think mummy brought him lunch every day
and sandwich? Probably? Jared, Nigel

525
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.320
and Lane did well for themselves.
Jared had his parents do a lot of

526
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.639
the legwork for him. They would
go door to door looking for sellers,

527
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.800
and dropping flyers in people's mailboxes.
They would line up a prospective cellar and

528
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.239
then Jared would swoop in and close
the deal. While Jared, Nigel,

529
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.840
and Elaine were growing their business,
Allison became pregnant again. She was excited,

530
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:25.400
but this time her anxiety during pregnancy
became debilitating. She had panic attacks

531
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:29.960
one time while driving with Hannah in
the back seat, where she almost blacked

532
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:34.400
out, so she decided to go
see a psychiatrist while in her second trimester.

533
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.159
She shared her history with the psychiatrist, her anxiety as a child,

534
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:45.360
the hallucinations from taking the anti malarial
medication, her struggles during her first pregnancy,

535
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:47.719
and the fact that Jared was gone
a lot because of his work,

536
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:53.880
and how being alone intensified her anxiety. The doctor recommended Zoloft and this helped

537
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:59.079
her a lot. Jared was a
skeptic though, he felt like her depression

538
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.000
was all in her head and she
should just move on and get over it.

539
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.760
He wasn't supportive of her struggles during
this time, which made things even

540
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.079
harder for her. Allison gave birth
to a second girl, Sarah, in

541
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:15.960
December of two thousand and three.
I really don't like Jared No. Jared

542
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.079
and his parents did well in the
real estate game, but as time went

543
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.159
on, the family rubbed their colleagues
at the agency the wrong way. Elaine

544
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:28.320
in particular, was perceived as snobby
by the staff and the management. She

545
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:34.039
would regularly give unsolicited business advice to
the co owner of the agency. After

546
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.760
having been there less than a year, Jared informed the management that he and

547
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.840
his parents were leaving to start their
own agency. They had entered into a

548
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.320
franchise agreement with Century twenty one.
Not only that, but they at least

549
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:51.360
the empty office space right next door. Even though realtors often left to start

550
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.719
their own thing, many of Jared's
former colleagues felt that he had acted unethically

551
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:59.400
by coming in, learning how the
agency ran, and then, after a

552
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:04.360
very short time, copying all of
that to start his own agency. Regardless,

553
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.119
Jared's new agency did well out of
the gate. The market was still

554
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:12.599
hot, and Jared worked hard to
build his brand. He promoted himself as

555
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:17.559
extremely honest, with integrity and flawless
moral character. He started a blog called

556
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:22.880
the Real Estate Expert, where he
preached about the importance of ethics in business,

557
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.800
along with his devotion to family and
the community. He was quoted in

558
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.199
an article about corporate ethics in Brisbane's
daily newspapers saying, quote, in business,

559
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.960
it's simple. Never lie for starters. It's the wrong thing to do.

560
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.519
But secondly, you will always get
caught out, and usually when you

561
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:44.719
least expect it. There are just
too many people, too many personalities,

562
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:49.760
too many trails, and too much
to lose. Unquote excellent advice, Jared,

563
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.199
why do I feel like? That? Was foreshadowing. He grew the

564
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:58.639
business and soon was making ambitious plans
to open up six more offices Wow.

565
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.239
In two thousand and eight, Jared
took on two partners who bought out his

566
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:06.800
parents so that they could retire.
His new partners were Phil Broome, who

567
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.519
he had hired a couple of years
earlier, and Joscelyn Frost, who was

568
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:15.280
a top agent for Century twenty one. Broom, Frost and Jared each owned

569
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.719
one third of the agency. Their
business was named a top one hundred fast

570
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:24.400
starter in Business Review Weekly magazine and
was a finalist for Queensland's Top Agency of

571
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:30.360
the Year award. Broom and Frost
later admitted that they didn't look closely at

572
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.639
the company finances when they bought in. It just seemed like things were successful

573
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.280
and growing. Spoiler alert, they
would later regret their lack of due diligence.

574
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.920
In two thousand and four, Jared
took advantage of an opportunity to head

575
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.280
up the local Chamber of Commerce,
a move that would help to build his

576
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:52.639
brand further and provide additional networking opportunities. Not everyone in the Chamber of Commerce

577
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:58.159
was a fan of his constant self
promotion, though one member explained why he

578
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.800
stopped going to the Chamber of Commerce
meetings quote, there were three things he

579
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:06.719
used to always talk about. One
was naturally enough, as you'd expect at

580
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.920
a meeting like that, he'd brag
about his brand and his office. The

581
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.119
second thing was he would always bring
up the fact that he was related to

582
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.760
Baden Powell. And the third thing, which really used to make my skin

583
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.880
crawl, not because he was talking
about it, but the way he talked

584
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.760
about it it sounded forced and insincere, was his involvement with the local church.

585
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:29.280
I just thought he comes across as
a man of straw. He's got

586
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.760
this big chest puffed out, saying
things like I remember last Sunday when we

587
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.559
were talking about Jesus and thinking about
all you people out here struggling in the

588
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.880
business world. I just thought,
I'm not wasting my morning listening to this

589
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.559
phony. For him, it was
building up that trustworthy, god fearing,

590
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.159
honorable, respectable image. It was
smarmy. It made me want to vomit

591
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:55.400
unquote strong stuff. Yeah. As
two thousand and five progressed, Jared's business

592
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:00.800
was going well, but money was
still tight. Alison wanted another baby.

593
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:05.400
Jared was opposed to it, but
finally gave in. In early two thousand

594
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.480
and six, Alison found out she
was pregnant again. The same feelings of

595
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.920
anxiety started surfacing, but this time
she recognized it quickly, saw her psychiatrist

596
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:16.840
and got back on the Zoloft,
which helped her get through the pregnancy.

597
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.039
Their third daughter, Ella, was
born in September of two thousand and six.

598
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:27.559
Over time, friends noticed that Jared
seemed to get more domineering and controlling

599
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.039
in the marriage. They felt like
Alison was only allowed to see them at

600
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.239
certain times, and he controlled her
access to their money. She was becoming

601
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.800
increasingly isolated and her self esteem was
suffering. Was Alison working at this time,

602
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.280
No, I don't believe she worked
once they started having kids. Okay,

603
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.159
At some point, while the business
and his family were growing, Jared

604
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.639
started having affairs. We don't know
for sure how many affairs he had or

605
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.960
when they started, but we do
know of an affair he had with an

606
00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.039
assistant at his agency that lasted for
a month, but he became much more

607
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:06.079
than a casual Fleeing started in August
two thousand and eight. Jared had met

608
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.119
Tony McHugh in two thousand and five
when he helped her and her partner sell

609
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.480
some property. The two had kept
in touch, and in two thousand and

610
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:17.320
seven, Tony applied for a job
at Jared's agency. He hired her immediately.

611
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.960
The two head chemistry, but kept
things professional for a year before their

612
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:28.039
relationship turned romantic in August two thousand
and eight. The pair would meet up

613
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.440
in secluded spots near properties they had
listed. They would stay laid and have

614
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:36.360
sex at the office, and they
would send steamy fantasies to each other via

615
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:40.920
email. It quickly became serious.
Jared told Tony that his marriage was basically

616
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.920
over, and three months after the
affairs started, Tony broke up with her

617
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:50.960
longtime partner. Jared and Tony didn't
tell anyone about their relationship, but it

618
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:55.119
didn't take long before people in the
office sensed that something was up, even

619
00:44:55.159 --> 00:45:00.119
if they didn't know for sure.
Do you think that realtor is o are

620
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.079
more likely to have affairs than other
people? I think in movies and TVs

621
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.360
the shows they are. I don't
know if that's overrepresented. We know of

622
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.920
a real turnat affair. Okay,
I'm not going to say more than that

623
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.159
dragged their name through the mud.
By June two thousand and nine, Jared

624
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:21.559
and Allison's relationship had deteriorated to a
point where Allison decided they needed help.

625
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.039
She had no idea that he had
by this point been seeing Tony McHugh for

626
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:29.960
almost a year. She just thought
they had grown apart because of the stresses

627
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:35.199
of having young children along with his
business. Allison was not one to abandon

628
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.280
the marriage. She wanted to fix
it, so she took Jared with her

629
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:42.840
to one of her psychiatric appointments.
At the appointment, he didn't share that

630
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.440
he was having an affair, but
he did say that he was considering putting

631
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.360
an end to their marriage. He
said he was tired of making all the

632
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.920
decisions and he was under a lot
of pressure because of his business. By

633
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.239
this time, the real estate market
had slowed down, money was tight,

634
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.039
and he was mad at Alison for
buying an expensive treadmill without consulting him.

635
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.239
Alison wanted to work on the relationship, so her psychiatrist recommended a marriage counselor.

636
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.440
It's unclear, however, whether Jared
win too many of these appointments with

637
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:17.039
Alison. Meanwhile, Jared's business partners, Phil Broome and Joscelyn Frost were getting

638
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:22.880
more suspicious that he and Tony were
having an affair. People had noticed that

639
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:27.320
at a work party, anytime Allison
would come close to Tony mceugh, Tony

640
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.920
would immediately make an excuse and had
in the other direction. At one point

641
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.199
during the party, Jared and Tony
both left for some time, leading Alison

642
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:42.199
to wonder where her husband had disappeared
to Joscelyn and Phil decided they needed to

643
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.400
confront Jared if he was having an
affair with an employee and word got out

644
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:51.079
this could impact their business. They
asked him point blank whether he was having

645
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.280
an affair with Tony. Jared was
outraged that they would even suggest such a

646
00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:00.519
thing, and he vehemently denied it. Kept asking, though, and eventually

647
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.960
it was Tony who told him the
truth. Phil marched into Jared's office and

648
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.360
told him he knew of the affair
and was furious that Jared had blatantly lied

649
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:14.119
to him. Jared broke down crying. He said he loved his wife and

650
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.880
daughters and resolved to end the affair
with Tony. Why don't I believe him?

651
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.320
Over the next several months, things
seemed to improve, both at the

652
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.599
office and in the baden Clay marriage. In April of twenty ten, Allison

653
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:30.719
wrote in her diary that Jared seemed
to be making an effort. Phil and

654
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.800
Joscelyn believed that Jared had kept his
word and end of the affair. But

655
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.960
in May twenty ten, the three
business partners were attending a real estate conference

656
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:43.360
in Sydney when Jared told them that
he was flying Tony McEwan for the conference

657
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.599
as well. It was obvious from
the way the two acted during dinner one

658
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:52.280
night that the affair hadn't ended after
all. Not only that, but there

659
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.280
was another real estate agent at the
conference that Jared had a fling with during

660
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:01.039
the event before Tony had flown in
that also was obvious to his partners what

661
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.400
a guy I know there was In
the book, they talked a little bit

662
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:08.159
more in detail about that, where
the woman that he had had the fling

663
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:13.920
with before Tony flew in came to
dinner that night and she was obviously expecting

664
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.519
Jared to be there alone, and
he was there with Tony, and it

665
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.199
was clear to her that something was
going on between the two of them.

666
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.719
Just crazy. Yeah. After the
conference, Jared told Phil that he was

667
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.159
planning to leave Allison and Mary Tony. This knowledge put Phil in an awkward

668
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.760
position like he was now complicit in
the affair. Of course, Jared didn't

669
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.880
leave Allison, and by August twenty
ten, Phil was begging him to stop

670
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.760
living a lie and to take action
one way or the other. By late

671
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.639
twenty ten, the affair had been
going on for over two years. Everyone

672
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.119
in the office seemed to know about
the affair, and some were complaining that

673
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.920
Tony was receiving preferential treatment. The
only one who didn't know about the affair

674
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:59.880
seemed to be Poor Allison. Their
marriage had broken down again to a point

675
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:05.079
where they were virtually strangers. In
August of twenty ten, Alison confronted Jared,

676
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.480
and he coldly told her that he
didn't love her anymore. Alison called

677
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:13.440
her best friend Carrie Anne, who
told her that Jared must be having an

678
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:17.480
affair, but Alison refused to believe
it. She actually confronted Jared after this,

679
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:22.280
but he looked her in the eye
and denied it. Alison thought she

680
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.679
could fix things if only she worked
harder. She turned to Doctor Phil's book

681
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:30.760
Relationship Rescue. She completed a fill
in the blank quiz from the book,

682
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:36.320
writing down her answers. We'll read
a few of them. They're very sad.

683
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.599
She seems to blame herself for everything. Alison filled out the quiz.

684
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:46.360
I tend to deny, she answered
most things. Sometimes I sabotage things.

685
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:52.760
I wish my marriage was like it
was before the actual ceremony. I hate

686
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.039
it when my weight bulges over my
pants. And by the way, I've

687
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.800
seen many pictures of Allison and there's
not a single one where anyone would say

688
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.159
that she was overweighted. That's probably
the Ballerina effect. Yeah, I would

689
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:10.679
give anything if my partner would make
love to me. If my relationship ends,

690
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:15.679
it will be because she has had
enough and doesn't love me anymore and

691
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.599
because of all the crap I have
dished out to him over the past thirteen

692
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.719
years. Alison went to a new
marriage counselor, and after explaining the situation,

693
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:29.800
the counselor told her that most frequently
in her situation, the marriage couldn't

694
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:34.320
be salvaged, but Alison didn't want
to believe that, so she found another

695
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.599
counselor. Jared went with her twice
and told the new therapist that he couldn't

696
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.880
decide whether he wanted to stay married
to Alison or not. Again, no

697
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:46.679
mention of the affair. While Jared
was still seeing Tony, he was also

698
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:51.719
cheating on her. At the end
of twenty ten, he created a profile

699
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:57.280
on the adult friend Finder website with
a fake name Bruce Overland, which was

700
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.679
a pseudonym he had used over the
years to keep tap on his competition in

701
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:06.119
the real estate industry. In his
profile, he wrote quote looking for discreet

702
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.159
sex, married, but don't want
to be looking for some sex on the

703
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:15.000
side exclamation point. Sorry to have
to make you read that. What a

704
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.239
creep. He also made some women
at his work uncomfortable with his constant hawgs,

705
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.119
and one time asked an employee if
she had ever had a threesome.

706
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:29.719
In another instant, he offered a
job to an attractive female realtor. When

707
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:31.559
she turned him down, he said, quote, well, if you're not

708
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:36.360
interested in doing that, I've got
another job for you. She asked what

709
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:38.440
it was, and he said,
quote, I'm looking for someone to kill

710
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:44.000
my wife. That's so bizarre that
he would just see then to a random

711
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.679
moment. It's insane. She thought
it was a very strange joke to make,

712
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:52.760
especially since he said it in a
completely serious way. There was another

713
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:58.559
woman that Jared knew from selling her
house and also because she was the secretary

714
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.559
of the Chamber of Commerce. She
reported several instances where Jared made her very

715
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:07.199
uncomfortable. One time he told her
quote, your clothes are beautiful and I

716
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:12.239
love the way you dress. If
I wasn't with Allison, watch out,

717
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.800
I'd be with you. Another time, he saw her at a party and

718
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:20.920
she told Jared she wanted to ask
a favor of him. Before she had

719
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.000
a chance to say what it was, he jumped in and said, quote,

720
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:27.840
do you want me to have sex
with you? And there was another

721
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:31.320
incident on a family camping trip that
both she and her husband were attending as

722
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:37.440
well as Jared and Alison. The
woman had mentioned that she liked condensed milk,

723
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.519
so Jared went and brought a cand
to share, but he only brought

724
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:45.039
one spoon. He said, and
this is in front of Allison and the

725
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:49.599
woman's husband, quote, don't worry
about another spoon. We'll be snogging later

726
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:53.559
tonight. Anyway, Oh so creepy. Every No one knows that snogging me

727
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:59.480
kissing, right. This woman's husband
was apparently not pleased, and the social

728
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:04.840
relationship between the couples ended after that. Did people really eat condensed? I

729
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.880
had the same question now that I
had the exact same question. I had

730
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:12.840
no idea you would just pull out
a can of condensed milk and eat it

731
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.400
with a spoon. Huh. While
Jarrett had abandoned his plans to open six

732
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:21.360
new offices, he and his partners
did decide near the end of twenty ten

733
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:24.519
to expand and move to a larger
office. They found a space that was

734
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.880
double the size of their first office, and they hired ten new people,

735
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.480
bringing the total number of staff to
twenty seven. But the new office came

736
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:37.159
with some risks. The location had
less foot traffic, the market was starting

737
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:42.239
to become turbulent. The rent would
be much higher, and for a transition

738
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.440
period they would need to pay rent
at both locations. While the business had

739
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.880
been doing well, their finances were
not in great shape. They moved around

740
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:54.280
Christmas of twenty ten and set the
grand opening for January tenth of twenty eleven.

741
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:59.320
During the process, Phil and Joscelyn, who had been running the sales

742
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:02.079
side of the aggency while Jared had
been handling the business end of things,

743
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:07.039
discovered just how bad the company's finances
were. They were heavily in debt,

744
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.199
but it was too late to back
out of the move. They were already

745
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:15.760
committed. Based on their sales numbers. Phil and Joscelyn thought the business should

746
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.719
be fine, and they wondered where
the money had gone. Looking back,

747
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:23.639
they realized that Jared constantly failed to
bring the financial reports to their weekly meetings,

748
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:29.639
and he always had an excuse as
to why not. Jared's private finances

749
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.679
were a mess too. He had
a bunch of credit card debt, and

750
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:36.840
he had borrowed money from his parents
to pay off some debts while shifting money

751
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.840
around from one account to another to
stay above water while things were bad,

752
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.880
they were about to get much worse. On January tenth, the day the

753
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.719
new office was set to open,
the Brisbane area was hit with a once

754
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.760
in a lifetime storm that dumped as
much as seven inches of water per hour

755
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:58.639
on the area over the course of
three days. The amount of rain that

756
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:02.519
fell was so significan that it actually
dropped the world's sea level by as much

757
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.119
as a quarter of an inch over
for a period of eighteen months after the

758
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.480
rains. Is that crazy? Yeah, I think about all the oceans.

759
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:15.639
Yeah. There was flash flooding and
houses were swept away. There were two

760
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:21.599
dams above Brisbane that were quickly way
beyond capacity, threatening massive structural damage or

761
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:27.000
even a possible collapse. In order
to avoid an even worse catastrophe, dam

762
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:31.000
operators were forced to begin releasing huge
amounts of water, making the flooding even

763
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:36.199
worse. In the end, at
least thirty three people were killed, twenty

764
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:40.519
thousand houses were inundated with floodwaters,
and total damages were estimated to be over

765
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:46.039
two billion dollars. The area hardest
hit was essentially the entire target market of

766
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:52.239
Jared's real estate business. As you
can imagine all buying and selling ground to

767
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:58.199
a halt while people worked at recovering
from the disaster. The business kept going,

768
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:02.320
but conflicts between the three parts became
common. Phil and Joscelyn demanded that

769
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:07.679
they authorize every payment. They dug
into the books and found that Jared was

770
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.559
hiring people to do work that he
should have been doing himself. Jared complained

771
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.199
that he felt like his partners didn't
trust him. We don't trust you,

772
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:20.519
they countered. Eventually, the three
partners had a big meeting to decide how

773
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:24.800
to move forward. Phil and Joscelyn
presented Jared with three options. Either Jared

774
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:29.480
could buy them out, they could
buy him out, or they could stay

775
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.199
together. But if they did,
Jared would have to meet certain conditions.

776
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.880
He would step down from managing the
business and return to sales. He would

777
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.800
take time off and get his private
life in order, choosing either Alison or

778
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.039
Tony, along with a few other
conditions involving how the business would operate.

779
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:52.239
The meeting devolved into anger, accusations, and crying by Jared. It went

780
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:54.679
long into the night, and they
finally agreed to meet the next day to

781
00:56:54.719 --> 00:57:00.360
come to a decision. It seemed
that Jared was heading toward compromise and keeping

782
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.280
things together. But the next day
he was defiant. He said, I'm

783
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:07.280
not going to acquis acquiesce to any
of your demands. Instead, he offered

784
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:12.440
to buy them out. First,
he offered twenty five thousand dollars each with

785
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.760
money that he would borrow from friends. When his friends wouldn't come through for

786
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:21.000
him, he changed his offer to
one dollar each, but he would take

787
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:24.239
on their debt. Phil and Joscelyn
were stunned, but in the end they

788
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:29.199
felt they had no choice but to
take his offer. The business was seriously

789
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.960
underwater and they were better off just
getting out. Jared did end up borrowing

790
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:37.199
about ninety thousand dollars from each of
three friends to keep the business afloat.

791
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:43.119
The three began acting as advisors to
the business and told Jared he needed to

792
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:47.519
downsize. Was the business ever profitable
or was he cooking the books? I

793
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.280
don't know for sure. I suspect
that the business was doing well in terms

794
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.800
of like the number of customers they
had, But I don't think he was

795
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.679
good at managing the business end of
things. I think he was paying people

796
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:02.000
to do stuff that he should have
done himself. I just think he wasn't

797
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:07.039
very good with the money. I
don't think he was embezzling, though I

798
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.440
didn't get that impression. I think
he was just a bad money manager.

799
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:14.280
But he had misled his partners for
a period of time. Oh yeah,

800
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.880
for sure, like the whole time
of their partnership. It sounds like right.

801
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:22.320
In September of twenty eleven, the
affair between Jared and Tony had been

802
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.320
going on for over three years.
Most people knew about it, but not

803
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.199
Alison. That finally changed when a
good friend of Allison's heard a rumor and

804
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:35.360
told Alison what she had heard.
When Alison next saw Jared, she came

805
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:39.079
straight out with the question, are
you having an affair with Tony? Finally,

806
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:44.920
Jared told her the truth and said
yes. When Alison finally regained her

807
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.719
composure after the shock of hearing the
truth, she asked him if he loved

808
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:52.119
Tony. He said no. She
gave him an ultimatum. It was either

809
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:58.159
Tony or her. Jared instantly chose
Alison. It wasn't going to be that

810
00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:01.920
easy for Jared, though, had
a few conditions. First, Jared had

811
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:07.000
to call Tony and end it right
away. Second, Tony had to leave

812
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.280
the business. Third, Alison was
going to keep a close eye on Jared

813
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:15.320
going forward. They were going to
put location trackers on their phones so she

814
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.920
could see where he was whenever she
wished. She would feel free to look

815
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.599
at all his text messages and who
he was calling, and she would start

816
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.320
working at the office as general manager. She would take Tony's now vacant desk

817
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:31.639
and try to turn around Jared's failing
business. Jared called Tony right away.

818
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:36.599
They met and he told her that
Allison had discovered their affair and that it

819
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:40.000
was over. Tony was shocked and
angry. The affair had been going on

820
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:45.159
for over three years. She had
left her longtime partner to be with Jared,

821
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:47.480
and he had promised her he didn't
love his wife and would leave her.

822
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.880
Despite all that, Jared told Tony
it was over. Jared sent an

823
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:57.440
email out to everyone in the office
telling them that Tony wouldn't be returning,

824
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.239
and then he met one on one
with everyone on the staf and told them

825
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:04.280
that he and Tony had been having
an affair, which they already knew,

826
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.719
and that Allison had found out about
it. Jared's fidelity was short lived,

827
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:13.760
however, Three months after breaking it
off with Tony and not contacting her.

828
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:17.159
Jared called her up in December of
twenty eleven, asking if they could meet

829
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:21.599
at a cafe. He told her
that he still loved her, but he

830
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:25.079
wasn't going to leave Allison. Apparently
that was enough for Tony and the affair

831
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:30.920
was back on, but the couple
would have to be much more discreet.

832
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.719
Now They couldn't text, so they
stuck to phoning and emailing each other.

833
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.039
Jared used his secret Bruce Overland email
account, and he phoned her from his

834
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:45.960
office phone instead of his mobile.
Allison would generally leave the real estate office

835
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.400
around two thirty to pick up the
girls from school, so there was a

836
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:53.239
window of time that Jared could hook
up with Tony. Soon, Jared was

837
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:58.159
back to promising Tony that he would
leave Allison. He even gave her a

838
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.559
date, this time on twenty twelve, which was the first day of the

839
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:07.519
new tax season and also happened to
be Allison's birthday. He told Tony that

840
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.880
he would be free of Allison by
that date at the latest. Even with

841
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:15.880
the promise from Jared, Tony began
to get frustrated and impatient. In February

842
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:20.679
of twenty twelve, she sent him
an email that said quote, I'm sick

843
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.039
of hiding. I'm sick of being
second best and having to take the back

844
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:27.920
seat. Also, she doesn't find
out. Why should I believe things are

845
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.679
going to be any different than the
past. I shouldn't. That's the reality.

846
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:35.320
She gave you an ultimatum, and
you honored it. If I were

847
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.119
to do the same tomorrow, I
doubt you'd be able to pay me the

848
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:42.280
same respect. Why should I accept
anything less than she would? All I'm

849
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:45.679
doing at the moment is pacifying your
fucked relationship. That's not fair. Gee.

850
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:52.039
In mid March, a month before
Allison's disappearance, Jared went to Tony's

851
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:54.800
home and the two talked about how
difficult it was to carry on their romance

852
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:59.679
when they had to be so secretive. They decided not to see each other

853
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.519
again until Jared was free of Allison
and they could be a real couple and

854
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:07.000
not height any longer. This would
also allow Jared to focus on his business,

855
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.960
which was still struggling to stay afloat. This was as far as we

856
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.760
know, the last time Jared and
Tony saw each other before Alison vanished.

857
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:21.599
On March twenty seventh, twenty twelve, Alison began seeing a new therapist named

858
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:27.119
Carmel Ritchie. Carmel suggested that Alison
bring Jared in. She wasn't sure whether

859
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:30.480
he would agree, but they booked
an appointment for April sixteenth. On that

860
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.639
same day, Tony emailed Jared,
making plans for their future together. She

861
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.199
wrote, quote, it would be
so much easier if you did just move

862
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:42.039
in with me. She can get
her own place, and the week you

863
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:44.880
have the children, you move back
to the house. In other words,

864
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.039
the kids don't have to move for
the moment. She doesn't need to know

865
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:51.079
where you're staying. Sorry, it's
up to you to work out, and

866
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.119
I shouldn't interfere. End quote.
On April third, Jared emailed Tony,

867
01:02:55.239 --> 01:03:00.400
who must have been skeptical about his
latest promise to leave Alison. In his

868
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:05.559
email, he reiterated his promise quote, I will be separated by one July

869
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.800
unquote. Why would Tony want him
at this point? Why would anyone want

870
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:14.199
him at this point? I mean, it's a really good question. I

871
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:16.760
think Tony was just, for whatever
reason, she was head over heels for

872
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:21.519
him. I think she really loved
him even before they started dating. She

873
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.599
was really attracted to him, but
I yeah, I don't get it.

874
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:30.239
I know Tony doesn't have the benefit
of being a true crime podcaster and knowing

875
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:32.679
that once a man cheats, he's
probably he's going to cheat on every woman

876
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:37.079
that he's with. He's never going
to be satisfied. You know, he's

877
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:43.920
not a good businessman. He's not
dedicated to his family, and you know,

878
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:47.480
that's what we should look for in
a partner, someone who is kind

879
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:52.119
and faithful and loyal and hardworking,
and he wasn't any of those things.

880
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:57.119
It sounds like, yeah, very
well said he was like a complete fraud

881
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:00.280
in all aspects of his life.
Like he had this image he was trying

882
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.920
to portray of being this honest,
ethical person who loved his family, and

883
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:08.280
he was just not a good person. It reminds me a little bit of

884
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:13.840
the case that you did recently from
France, John Claude Roland. Yeah,

885
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.880
yeah, he kind of lived a
lie. Remind this case reminds me more

886
01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:23.039
of like Scott Peterson. I think
it's sort of it's almost the Australian version

887
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:26.239
of the Scott Peterson case. In
some ways, it'll become more clear and

888
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:29.199
I'm just say giving us a spoiler. Well, it'll become a little more

889
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:32.360
clear in part two as we get
into that. Well, I think we're

890
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.039
going to end part one, so
stay tuned for part two when we will

891
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:42.159
find out more about what happened to
Alison and what happens to Jared. Can

892
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:45.719
you remind us of the book that
you read for this case. The book

893
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.760
is called The Murder of Alison baden
Clay and it's by David Murray. Okay,

894
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:59.599
and you really enjoyed that. I
really liked it a lot. Before

895
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:04.360
we go, I wanted to ask
you about my job security because you did

896
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:10.519
an episode a coup on Mother's Day
with our daughter, and everyone really really

897
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:13.599
liked it a lot. I had
a lot of positive a lot I am.

898
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:20.039
I'm feeling very insecure and reevaluating.
Yeah, I think your job is

899
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:26.199
secure. For no other reason.
I don't think Emma is as available as

900
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:30.119
you are. She's a little busier
than I am, just starting her new

901
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:33.920
job, and she yeah, I
think she's busy. And when we had

902
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.760
said we were going to do the
episode together, she originally was like,

903
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:41.880
I would really like to do the
research, and as the time got closer,

904
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:45.599
she was like I would not like
to do the research, and you

905
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.800
you do a great job on your
research. So my job is secure only

906
01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:54.800
because you don't have anyone else who
can spend as much time as is needed.

907
01:05:55.239 --> 01:06:01.800
It's really about proximity. I'm the
most convenient per podcast with no I

908
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:05.239
love you, and I think you
do a you do a fabulous job.

909
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:10.519
We're just kidding. It was really
super fun to do it with Emma and

910
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:14.239
you guys were so so sweet,
and Emma was really touched and she was

911
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:18.159
actually reading comments and yeah, we
definitely both enjoyed it. But it's not

912
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:25.039
something that we're not looking to replace
our current situation. Okay, good to

913
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.559
know, Thank you. What do
you have planned for us this weekend?

914
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.159
It's a nice long weekend. My
company gave us Friday off. Today we're

915
01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:35.639
recording, and so I have a
four day weekend. That's amazing. It

916
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:40.199
is very nice. You you need
some time off, you definitely need You've

917
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:43.239
been super busy, You've been traveling, You've been busy with your work,

918
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.519
work and then the podcast, and
so yeah, you definitely need a break.

919
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.719
Yeah. I do have some fun
activities planned for us. I bought

920
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:54.559
a lot of flowers that need to
be I need to fix the shower in

921
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:59.679
our bathroom that was weird when that
stopped working. And the ceiling fan,

922
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:02.719
a new ceiling fan in her bedroom. So many fun activities. Well,

923
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.760
this week have kind of snuck up
on me, like I didn't realize it

924
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:10.559
was already Memorial Day. Yeah,
and it's our daughter. It's Emma's birthday.

925
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:14.599
Yeah, Emma's birthdays on Sunday.
Yeah, Happy birthday, Emma.

926
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:19.280
I'm sure you're listening. No,
I don't think. I don't even know

927
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:24.519
if she listened to our episode.
Probably not. I wouldn't think so,

928
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.599
I wouldn't listen if I was her, I never listened. I know.

929
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:32.719
We want to sincerely thank you for
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930
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:38.880
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931
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:44.079
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936
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