Belinda and David Temple - Part 2

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Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm
Rich. And if there's one thing we've

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learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's that some days you'll feel like

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killing your wife, and some days
you'll feel like killing your husband. Welcome

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to love, Mary Kill, Hey
Rich, Hey Tina. How are you?

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I'm great? How are you?
I'm good. I'm a little little

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little sleepy. We're just talking about
how it's the perfect time of day to

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take a nap. It is.
I have a joke for you. I'll

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wake you up. Sure, Okay. A Mobias strip walks into a bar

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and the Mobia strip is crying.
The bartender says what's wrong? And the

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Mobias strip says, where do I
even begin? It's pretty good? Huh

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No, you don't get it.
I know. Do you know what emmobius

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is? Should I be embarrassed that
you don't know? Or maybe it's a

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bit of a geometry joke, but
amobia strip has no beginning or end.

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It's a strip. Okay, I'll
show you one later. I'll make all

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right, and I look forward to
that. I also have an embarrassing admission

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to make. Okay. In part
one, you talked about golden Birthday.

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I didn't know what that was.
I thought it was like, oh,

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a thirtieth birthday? Is that called
the golden birthday? Ye? Why didn't

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you should say, darling wife?
I just kind of assumed, like,

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oh, thirtieth birthday must be called
the golden birthday. But I thought that

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was kind of weird, like why
would a thirtieth birthday be the golden birthday?

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But now I know it's the age. Wait, what is it?

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It's your birthday whatever the day I
would also be the thirtie. Yeah,

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because your birthday is November thirtyeth your
golden birthday would have been the twelfth.

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Yeah, Okay, well I learned
something new. I was up late last

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night preparing for this podcast, and
I have a really hard time going from

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like working on a podcast to going
to sleep. Sure, and I was

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like three and I still couldn't get
to sleep, but eventually I did.

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But then then I sensed, well
I think I heard the noise first,

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and then I sensed you were gone. Yeah, do you want to see

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what happened our smoke detector. Apparently
the battery decided it was time to go

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dead, and it was going to
start beeping intermittently. We live in uh,

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smoke detector. Hell, like it's
we have a lot of them,

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like a lot, a lot,
like too many. I don't know why

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there's so many, so many.
Then there's like carbon monoxide detectors, and

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then we have our security system.
It's all wired in go was off sometimes

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for no reason. So yeah,
it's not unusual that we have and it's

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really so frustrating. It's very difficult
to track down when it happens, like

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which one is it? And because
you hear the beeping from all over the

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house and I don't know if it
echoes or they they just play off each

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other. Yeah, I woke up
at four thirty. You were heroic because

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I heard you with the step stool
like going around. I was like,

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it was gonna come and help you. But then I was just really tired

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because I've been up too late.
But you found it fairly quickly, relatively

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quickly. But my heart was like
beating so fast because A, like you

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just get woken up in the middle
of the night by that, Yeah,

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and B I was like, is
this going to start? I thought it

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was going to start, the whole
system like going off, and I was

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just kind of panicking trying to find
it out. Then sometimes their security system

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goes off, and when that goes
off, there's just no one. None

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of our neighbors are sleeping, like
it's really loud. So yeah, so

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thank you for taking care of that. I'm surprised you woke up because it

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actually wasn't that usual annoying chirp.
It was. It was kind of a

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muted chart or it was a beep, not a church. Yeah, and

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it was pretty far apart, and
I was like, I analyzed the situation,

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like, I'm pretty sure I can
slip through this, so I'm just

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gonna go. Actually, but then
the cat, oh beloved. I think

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the cat freaked out a little bit
because of the beeping. And yeah,

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he needed he needed someone to be
there for him, and there you were.

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Well, and I love him so
much, like I've had I need

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to stop doing this, but he
like wants me to put him all night

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long, so he wakes me up
every few minutes to to put him,

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and I do. He's very sweet. Anyway. I came just for the

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snacks, right, Yes, you're
gonna be super excited. Real you ready

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for this? Yes, okay,
I have for you. Beaver twists,

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also from the buckets, but I
have never one to skimp on details.

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I have dark chocolate, milk chocolate, and white fudge beaver twists. Oh,

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actually some of them are beaver nuggets. Why do we have last time

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with the nuggets? Did you polish
off that bag by the way where you

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and I did eat quite a few
more. One of our children walked into

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the room and they were like,
no, I don't they're gross. I

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don't like them, but don't take
their word for it. They're really good.

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They're really good. So, yeah, the two of these are beaver

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The chocolate are beaver nuggets, but
the twists are white fudge and they look

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on off a lot like a bugle
and a little suspicious. Do you want

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to try them? And we'll come
right back? Sure? Are you sure

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you want to try them? What
did you think of the BUCkies chocolate snacks?

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I'm they were good, but I'm
going to say the original beaver nuggets

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that we had in part one were
better. Interesting because I was going to

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say the same thing, Yeah,
yeah, they're good, But if you're

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going to have chocolate, I don't
know. I think I would rather just

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have chocolate. But I mean,
I wouldn't say no to them, You

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know, no I would, but
yeah, I'm glad you discovered buckets.

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Oh that was thanks to our friend
jayc all Right, should we get to

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work. Let's get to work.
Should we dive in? I guess we

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wanted to Sorry one of them.
I think we're both tired a little bit.

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We are going to rally and we
are going to be uh, we're

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going to get it done. All
right? Should we do like a quick

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synopsis? Yes, we should.
Would you like to dive into that?

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I can give attempt at not a
ton happened. We just talked about their

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background. Belinda and David Temple.
They were They met in college. They

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were married. He was like football
star in high school and played football in

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college. His whole life revolved around
football. They got married, they had

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a child. They both were working
in the schools as teachers and he and

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coaches. He met another woman started
having an affair. There was a little

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bit of a love entangle, as
we called it, because they were friends

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with another couple, Quinton and Mutin
Tammy. Tammy and this other woman,

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Heather. She was kind of playing
both Quinton and David off of each other,

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but she was definitely having an affair
with David, and I think where

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we ended part one was when David
found Belinda Dad at home with a gunshot

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in that in their closet. Yeah. The only thing I would add is

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David is alpha, alpha male.
And when Quintin started a flirtation with Heather,

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I don't know if what his intent
was, if he would have had

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an affair with her, but David
just had to have her right. It

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was very competitive and so once his
friend showed an interest in this woman,

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that, yeah, he was all
over it. We are still on January

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eleventh, nineteen ninety nine. Detectives
were on the scene within the hour of

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the nine to one to one call. David was given a gunshot residue test

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and put in a squad car,
where while the investigation began. His stoic

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demeanor and lack of tears were noted. So I was kind of surprised that

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they put him in the car right
away, not that he was arrested,

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but they're like, you stay here, we're going to do the investigation.

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We don't want you to impede that
at all. Maureen and Ken Temple,

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David's parents arrived on the scene too, shocked and emotional over the loss of

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their daughter in law and granddaughter.
I do believe that they loved Belinda,

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and I don't think they knew anything, and I think they were really shocked

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and sanded. They were crying and
hugging David, yet he lacked the emotion

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one would expect from a young father
whose life had just been torn apart.

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David gave his approval for the house
to be searched, but he was told

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he needed to remain in the squad
car until police could take his official statement.

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Initially, it was thought that Belinda
may have committed suicide, but that

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was quickly ruled out. She was
shot in the back of the head with

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one bullet from a shotgun, and
small lead pellets were found on the carpet,

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and they're pretty sure that the gun
was pressed to the back of her

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head. When Belinda didn't show up
at Bunco, her friends thought maybe she'd

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gone into labor. She'd explain what
bunk or do you think everyone knows?

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It's just I don't really know what
it is. I assume it's a card

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game of some sort, but I
think it's a dice. I've never played

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it myself, but it's a dice
game. A lot of women play,

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you know, they have snacks and
drink cause it's just, you know,

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like just a reason to get together
and have fun. When no one answered

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the home phone, Tammy and another
friend drove to the Temple house. Seeing

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all of the flashing lights from the
emergency vehicles, Tammy quickly assessed the situation.

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She said she knew that David had
murdered her friend for an alleged break

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in. The Temple home was exceptionally
tidy. Investigators found a huge drawers opened,

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but they weren't rifled through. We've
had a couple of cases like this

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where it's been kind of like a
staged break in. Yeah, it's like,

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you know, you can't just open
you have to make it look like

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someone went through it. A TV
lay on its side, but it wasn't

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broken or unplugged. Nothing in the
house was broken or stolen other than the

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window and the TV. It was
just kind of weird because it was like,

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you know, David didn't or I'm
assuming that it was David, Like

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he didn't want to break the TV. He just put it gently on its

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side, Okay. Cast jewelry and
other valuables were found in plain sight throughout

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the house. Paul Looney, David's
attorney, later told the press that there

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were several pieces of Belinda's jewelry missing, as many as twelve pieces a necklace,

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sapphire and diamond earrings, and a
bracelet with Evan's name. Pawn chops

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were later checked and nothing was found
there. The glass from the broken window

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was off to the side, not
in front of the door. Investigators thought

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it looked as if the glass the
window had been broken when the door was

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open, because otherwise the glass would
have, you know, shattered right in

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front, but it was off to
the left. Belinda's keys were found on

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the stairs of the home. She
normally normally kept them in a bowl by

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the door. And why were the
keys on the stairs? That was really

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strange. Stranger David said, Oh, that's where she That's where she kept

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them, right, I just put
the stairs with my three year old walking

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around. Yeah, I just that's
where I keep my keys. Remember the

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last episode, we talked about how
Belinda's shoes were still she was fully clothed.

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Her shoes were on her glasses that
she only wore when she drove were

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found broken in the closet and you
know, a pregnant woman that far along,

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she wouldn't probably keep her shoes on. So it almost seemed as maybe

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she had been marched up the stairs
with a you know, like David or

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whoever, like marched up the stairs
and said, you know, go to

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the primary bedroom, go to the
closet, because that was probably the most

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sound proof room in the house to
shoot someone. Yeah, and the keys

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being on the stairs, could they
have fallen out of her pocket when she

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was being marched up stairs or was
someone chasing her with the gun and when

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she came in the door and she
had to run up the stairs. Because

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there was also a phone found in
the what do you what do you remember

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what you call a cordless phone?
What you're talking about? That a long

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time since we've had like, you
know, actual phone. But yeah,

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so the cordless phone was also phoned
in the closet. So could she have

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grabbed the phone and you know,
tried to call nine one one and then

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she was shot in the closet.
We don't know. Investigators questioned how a

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burglar could have gotten past Shaka the
dog when he was so terrifying to everyone

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else. The police were so intimidated
by Shaka when they first arrived at the

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temple home that they considered shooting him
to gain entry before David came out to

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restrain the dog. And the dog
was in the backyard. He was in

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the backyard, and the back door
was the one that was broken. That's

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a little it's a little questionable,
right. David was driven to the police

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station in a squad car. His
parents followed and they were to be interviewed

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too. Ken Temple tried to call
Belinda's parents but wasn't able to reach them.

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They were still at the hospital with
Tom, Lucas's father. Do you

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remember he had had an accident that
same day. Ken called Brenda and staid

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she screamed and cried, incredulous that
her twin could be dead. That must

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be so hard to lose a sibling
to loisure twin. Eventually we Linda's parents,

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Tom and Carol learned the news.
The news gutted them. They sobbed

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as they clung to each other.
A neighbor did report seeing a man jump

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a fence in the Temple's neighborhood,
but it was later discovered to be a

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meter reader who wasn't in the area. During the time of Belinda's murder.

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I actually I did check the So
it's David called nine one one, I

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think at five forty six pm,
and the sun goes down at that time

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in Katie around five, so likely
it was there was daylight during the time

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that alleged intruder could have entered the
home. Staff members at Hastings High School

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where David were interviewed. The only
thing that detectives learned was that David never

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complained about his marriage to his coworkers
and fellow coaches. A few people did

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suspect he was having an affair.
When detectives went to Katie High School,

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where Belinda worked, more people seem
to know that the temple's marriage wasn't a

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very happy one or fulfilling for Belinda. During questioning, David admitted to owning

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two rifles, but no shotgun.
Do you know the difference between a rifle

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and a shotgun? Yeah? Okay, I really didn't, because when I

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read that, I was like,
well, well, actually, no,

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I guess I don't rifle. I
was I didn't realize you said rifle and

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a shotgun. No, I don't. What's the difference you're thinking about pistol.

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Rifles are meant to hit a single
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shoot pellets and a scatter shot pattern
closer up. I'm not sure if that's

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right or not. But it's more, you know, it used to kill

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an animal, where you know,
the scatter shot is more likely to like

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you know, does that make sense? It does? Yes, I think

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I did know that. I just
didn't. I didn't think about the fact

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that those were two different things.
Yeah, two different purposes. I guess

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learned so much and we're gonna forget
it and we're gonna have a conversation again.

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In a couple of weeks, probably
Blinda had been shot with a shotgun,

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not a rifle, and there were
two rifles found. Did I already

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say this? There were two rifles
found in the closet with Belinda. Just

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I think that's where they kept them, mm hmm. But no shotgun,

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but no shotgun. David was asked
to disrobe and he was checked for cuts

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and bruises. He didn't appear to
have any. I think they thought that

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if he broke the window he have
some cuts on his hands or something,

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but he didn't. David told investigators
that he took Evan to the park that

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afternoon so Belinda could rest when she
got home. David first said he took

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Evan to the neighborhood park, but
later recanted that and said he went to

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We went to this bigger park that
was closer to the grocery store that they

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ended up, and Evan was three
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he probably wouldn't be able to say
much. Well, no, not really,

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and remember Evan was sick, right, he'd had some motron. Blinda

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had left a note on the counter
that said, I don't know what time

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it was, but you know,
last motron at twelve thirty pm or whatever,

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and it's been a while since we've
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know, liquid motron. But it
makes it does make baby sleepy, and

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you know, he could have been
napping. No one could corroborate that David

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and Evan were at the park.
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stopped at the grocery store for a
cat litter and drinks, and then they

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went to home depot cameras do show
them entering the grocery store at four thirty

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two pm and exiting at four thirty
eight, and they entered home depot at

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five fourteen, which seemed like if
it should have been sooner, like there

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was some time that no one knows
where they could have been ok Yavid said

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that there was a lot of traffic
when they returned home. David claimed that

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Evan was riding his bike in the
garage when he went into the house and

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noticed the broken window, But when
police inspected the garage, they noted that

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there wasn't enough space in the small
garage to ride a bike and the little

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yellow bike was hanging from the ceiling. After seeing the broken window, David

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then grabbed Evan. He rushed over
to the neighbors. We had talked about

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this the last episode. He grabbed
him and he took him to the neighbors

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and he was like call nine one
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then he ran back to his house
and that's when he went upstairs and found

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Belinda in the closet. Ken and
Marine Temple were questioned together. When Maureen

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would talk, Ken often corrected her. At one point in the interview,

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marine cried and blurted out, I
just could not have raised a son who

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would kill his wife. Ken was
asked if David had a shotgun. He

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said he had bought him one in
high school, but later he would say

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that David had sold the shotgun.
As the interrogation continued light into the night,

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everyone at the station was tired.
David was asked if he would take

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a light detector test. He flew
off the handle, refused under any circumstance,

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and demanded a lawyer. Which we
talked about this a lot. It's

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okay you should ask for a lawyer, should but it always does look just

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a little suspicious. David and Evan
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and they actually never slept in their
old house again. They had already contacted

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a defense attorney who met them at
their house at one thirty am. Investigators

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thought there was a lack of blood
spatter at the crime scene. Belinda was

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shot at close range with a shotgun. There should have been more blood.

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After Belinda's body was moved, detectives
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They parted the clothing in the closet
and found more A lot more blood and

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brain matter behind the clothing, as
if the shooter had parted the clothing before

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the shooting and then slid the clothes
back on the rod. After Belinda was

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shot, a wet towel was found
in the bathroom, as if someone had

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just taken a shower. Belinda's purse
was found in a closet under the stairs,

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which isn't where she normally would have
kept it. Do you know where

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I keep my purse? No,
Okay, that's what I was just curious,

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Like I think that most men don't
really know where they're going in the

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laundry room. Well, we have
like a laundry moder room, so it

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sometimes I just leave it in my
car. But yeah, so you know,

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yeah, but if you put it
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weird, like a lot some people, like I think her sister was,

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like, she'd never put her purse
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a cordless phone was found in the
closet near Belinda's body. The last

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number dialed was the Ruggy Arrows.
They who are the neighbors? That's the

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neighbors that David had gone into taken
Ovan Yet so I was curious about that,

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And I don't have any information about
the time that the call was made.

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But instead of calling nine one one, could Belinda have called the neighbors

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be like, you know, help, I'm being attacked or something like that.

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Yeah. The soup that Belinda had
picked up from Maureen remained on the

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counter, as if she hadn't had
time to put it in the refrigerator.

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Two rifles were found in the bedroom
closet, but what detectives wanted to most

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find was a twelve gage shotgun,
thought to be the murder weapon. It

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was never found or verified to have
even existed. Investigators wondered if David could

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have ditched the murder weapon when he
and Evan left the house. An acquaintance

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of David's claimed he saw him on
the day of the murder around five pm

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near his parents' house, the opposite
direction from the home depot. Could David

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have disposed of the weapon at his
parents' house or on their vast property that

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he knew so well. So there
were acres and acres of property, and

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they were streams, and there the
woods and the rice fields, and they

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were searched, but nothing was ever
found. But you know, especially in

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like mucky swampy water. It's really
hard to find anything right. I'm not

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sure if the interior of David's parents'
house was ever searched. I don't think

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it was. I don't think they
had issued a search. Weren't. But

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his parents did seem legitimately surprised,
and so I don't think that he probably

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had the gun in their house.
They're probably not covering up for him.

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No, I didn't get that sense. The school district was subpoenaed for all

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of David and Heather's email histories.
Baffling to detectives was the relationship between Quinton

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and Heather. She was in a
relationship with David, but still emailing Quinton

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too. In one email sent to
Quinton from Heather, she wrote, please

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make it three o'clock already. I
want to go home and hug the bear

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you gave me. I guess it
is safe to talk to him. Meanwhile,

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friends, family, and stu ud
all missed Belinda horribly. Her parents

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were searching for answers. They were
sure of David's innocence initially, but as

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time went by, their opinions shifted, as did Quintin's Ken Temple suffered a

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heart attack. He said it was
from grieving his daughter in law. He

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loved her too, he said.
The next day the community awoke to the

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news that a beloved teacher had been
murdered. Some wondered who could have killed

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a sweet, funny, eight month
pregnant woman, but others were sure they

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knew who killed Belinda Temple. David's
attorney, Paul Looney, was a high

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profile attorney from Houston. He'd represented
Timothy McVeigh and Woody Harrelson's father. Did

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you know he wash? Yeah,
it's a very interesting story. We should

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talk about that sometime. He withdrew
David's consent to search his home. Not

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a big deal because police could easily
get a search warrant. It just made

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David look uncooperative. The search continued
and investigators found a golf shirt in the

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laundry that appeared to have on it
and it was later confirmed to bee blood.

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The house was fingerprinted, nothing unexpected
was found. The bathroom sinks and

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traps tested positive for blood when luminol
was sprayed. There were no bloody footprints

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in the house. Despite the crime
scene being bloody. David made an appointment

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with a child psychologist for Evan to
help him deal with Belinda's death. The

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DA decided to have a psychiatrist talk
to the three year old too. The

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child psychologist's records were subpoenaed after and
they did not believe that Evan had witnessed

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his mother's murder, which is good. That is good. By the end

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of the day, the police were
informed that David had been having an affair

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with a woman named Heather Scott.
The next day, they paid her a

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visit at the townhouse she shared with
her friend Tara Hall. They both were

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taken to the police station for formal
questioning. Heather described her relationship with David

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as casual and romantic. Heather gave
a statement to the police admitting that she

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and David were in a relationship.
She admitted that a week before Belinda's murder,

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she had told David that she didn't
want to continue with the way our

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relationship is going. She agreed to
take a polygraph. The results indicated that

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she was withholding information. Heather was
insistent that she believed in David's innocence.

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Tara corroborated Heather's story, but days
later Tara returned to the police it had

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been weighing on her that she hadn't
told them everything she knew. She told

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police that David had spent New Years
at the townhouse and that David had told

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Heather he had fallen completely in love
with her. What police needed to hone

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in on was what happened between three
p twenty when Belinda left Katie High to

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five forty six when David called nine
to one one. Those two hours and

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eighteen minutes were the key to the
whole case. The gunshot residue test came

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back inconclusive. There was evidence of
gunshot residue, but it was very minimal.

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The blood in the sink trap was
two di looted to be typed,

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and the blood on the golf shirt
was determined to be David's. The gunshot

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residue test we're referring to is just
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Okay, Tom and Carol Lucas were
interviewed by Detective Tracy Shipley. She got

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a sense that they had been greatly
disappointed by the relationship they had with Belinda.

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They never saw her, David or
Evan on holidays. They thought that

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the marriage between Belinda and David was
healthy but they only talked to their daughter

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once a week. During their brief
phone calls. They thought David was a

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good man, although their feelings were
hurt that he hadn't called them since Belinda's

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death and they weren't asked to help
with funeral arrangements. Which that's so sad.

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Yeah, that really, Tom told
Detective Shipley, quote, my daughter

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and son in law were happily married. I want you to catch the man

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who killed our daughter, but when
you make an arrest, you need to

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make sure it's the right man.
I don't want you to put an innocent

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man in jail. End quote.
So at that point, the Lucas family

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really did stand behind David, even
though he was pretty crappy to them.

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Yeah, it's a little surprising.
Will be right back after a break.

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The autopsy found Belinda to be healthy. Her hyoid bone was intact. Baby

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Erin was eighteen inches long and six
pounds, so she was ready to big

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enough to be born. She was
fully formed and healthy. The medical examiners

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surmised that Belinda had been shot once, with the gun touching the base of

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her head. The bullet exited Belinda's
eye, her cranial cavity was empty.

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The cause of death was the shot
to the head. The method of death

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was murder. The murder weapon was
a twelve gage shotgun and the ammunition was

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buckshot. Her death was immediate,
and Aaron died moments later. The exact

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time of death could not be determined
during the autopsy. Belinda and Aaron relay

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to rest. On January fifteenth,
nineteen ninety nine, at Hastings High School,

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a student posted a sign that read
killer Coach Katie. High School closed

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at eleven thirty so students and staff
could attend the funeral. All twelve hundred

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seats in the Baptist church were filled. David didn't seem to shed a tear.

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Later that day, Evan was taken
to the psychiatrist. In his report,

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he said that he didn't believe Evan
had witnessed any traumatic events. He

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said that it was possible because he'd
been given motron he'd slept through any commotion

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at the house. David's attorney said
this pointed to David's innocence. How does

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that point to David's innocence because Evan
hadn't heard anything or witnessed it any I

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mean, yeah, it's just an
attorney being. The town of Katie was

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split, some remembering David Temple as
the hometown hero and one of the best

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football players to ever represent their town, but there was also there were also

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plenty of people who remember David Temple
as an entitled bully who got away with

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more things than he should have.
What could David's motive have been? Was

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there insurance money? Yes, Belinda
did have a sixty thousand dollars life insurance

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policy from the teacher's union, but
that's hardly enough to want to murder someone

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over. Yeah, I don't know. Do you think the motive Well,

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I guess we're assuming it was David
at this point, But do you think

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the motive was I always mean to
like reserve my judgment, but I can

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never do that. Yeah, I
mean, unfortunately it's No, it doesn't

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seem like it would be any surprise. But do you think it was because

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he wanted to be with Heather?
Yes, I believe I believe that was

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the case because it was just a
matter of days before he said I'm completely

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in love with you. Yeah,
and then you know, Belinda, I

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guess having a second child would just
complicate that and make it harder for him

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to separate from Belinda, and some
people said that he was not excited about

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having a second child. When Evan
went back to preschool, his teacher noticed

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that he had become quiet and withdrawn. He'd always been sweet and playful before

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his mother's death. His teacher saw
him playing with the dollhouse one day with

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one of his friends. He had
the father doll in his hand and was

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angrily pushing the mother doll in his
friend's hand, and he said, I

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don't like you anymore. You can't
come back here. Wow, it's so

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sad. Meanwhile, David returned to
work at Hastings High School. A police

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car followed him everywhere he went.
Within weeks, David bought a new Silverado

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pickup truck and put his house up
for sale. For years, he had

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wanted a new vehicle, and Belinda
was always like, no, we can't

407
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.799
afford it. He moved his belongings
to storage and planned to stay with his

408
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:38.519
parents for a while. When friends
were helping him move, one of them

409
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.039
noticed a box of shotgun shelves.
The box had a slight rattle to it,

410
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:48.960
as if some were missing. Police
were relentlessly interviewing and reinterviewing friends and

411
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.519
neighbors of the temples. The boys
who lived in the house behind the temples

412
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.720
got off the school bus every day
around four pm. They were watching a

413
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:03.279
movie when they heard what they described
as a boom, but another neighbor would

414
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.680
later describe it as a truck backfiring. And the boys were actually witnesses at

415
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.200
the trial later on, and it
was you know, people were like,

416
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:12.759
oh, well, if it was
at so they were watching, what was

417
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:17.880
the movie they were watching. They
were watching Doctor Dolittle, and they could

418
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.319
describe the scene when they heard the
boom. So investigators were able to pinpoint

419
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.359
at the time that they heard the
boom was at about four thirty pm.

420
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.440
Interesting, and at four thirty pm
they knew that David was not at home,

421
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.400
that he was at the grocery store. Okay, so you know,

422
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.839
they gave a little, a little
reasonable doubt. Yeah, in the neighborhood

423
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.240
where the house is fairly close together, because I would imagine like a shotgun

424
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:47.720
blast, I think is very loud. Then I think the houses were pretty

425
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:52.799
close together. But she was in
an interior room and maybe the clothing,

426
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.759
you know, made made the sounduffled, it uffled, it I did.

427
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.559
I did want of the same thing
myself, like did they do a task

428
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.200
to see, like did they try
to shoot a gun in the house and

429
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:04.640
to see if you could hear it
from the neighbor's house? Right, But

430
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.799
there was someone else on the street
that said, well, I heard it.

431
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.119
I was looking out my window when
I saw a shuck backfire. Yeah.

432
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.960
I can't remember the last time I've
heard of vehicle backfire. No,

433
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:21.039
he's not anymore, but it is
a very distinctive loud sound. Police soon

434
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:26.200
landed on a potential suspect, the
temple's teenage neighbor, Joe Sanders. Joe

435
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:32.480
was a chronic truant and pot smoker. He attended Katie High School. Belinda

436
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.240
had talked to Joe's parents about his
problem skipping classes. He'd missed one hundred

437
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.000
and thirty one classes for that year. Isn't it shocking one hundred and thirty

438
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:48.839
It's only January, oh man.
Belinda was understanding to Joe and didn't come

439
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.319
down too hard on him, but
he did have access to a twelve gage

440
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.519
shotgun. He took three polygraphs that
were inconclusive, but police thought that could

441
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:01.160
be because he was trying to hide
his drug use from parents. The Sanders

442
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:06.599
turned over their shotguns and they were
determined not to be a match. Eventually,

443
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.119
the police moved on from Joe and
his friends. There was no forensic

444
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:15.160
evidence tying them to Belinda's murder.
I believe Blinda had also gone over to

445
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.559
their house and he'd had a party
when they were out of town, and

446
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.319
there were some beer bottles that had
been thrown in the temple yard, and

447
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.599
she did kind of rat them out
for that. H But Belinda was known

448
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.160
to be like a really nice person, and he said that he had nothing

449
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:35.079
against her. He understood why she
did that, and yeah, he didn't

450
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:39.519
have any even data against her.
On Valentine's Day, a month after Belinda's

451
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:45.240
death, David sent Heather a large
bouquet of roses and began spending weekends at

452
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:51.200
her townhouse. A month after Belinda's
death. Yeah, yeah, that's that's

453
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.880
shocking to me. It's also shocking
to me that Heather would be okay with

454
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.720
that. I mean, it's shocking, but it's like so sad, Yeah,

455
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:02.480
because Belinda was a really lovely person. Belinda's best friend Tammy, began

456
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.720
trailing David. She's not proud of
it, but she was obsessed, saddened

457
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.640
by losing her friend, and enraged
that David was moving on so quickly.

458
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.839
She even went through Heather's garbage looking
for clues. One day, Heather and

459
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:22.240
David both called in sick. Tammy
found out and drove to the townhouse to

460
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.680
see if David was there. Sure
enough, there he was. She pounded

461
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.200
on the door, yelling, but
no one answered. She left a note

462
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.519
on his truck that said, quote, I saw you. I know what

463
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:38.799
you're doing unquote at like Tammy,
Oh yeah. By fall, Heather and

464
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:44.279
David were openly a couple. When
football season began, Heather showed up at

465
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.240
the first game. When Tammy saw
her, she said, You've got to

466
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.920
be kidding me, how dare you? Tammy knew that Heather had openly flirted

467
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.559
with her husband and their marriage had
been struggling ever since. After the first

468
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.359
game, Heather began sitting with Evan
and the Temple family. Heather liked to

469
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.799
tell people that her relationship with David
had started months after Belinda died, but

470
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.480
most people knew that wasn't the case. She liked to portray David as the

471
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:16.119
perfect man, but her roommate Tara
Hall said the relationship was volatile. They

472
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.360
fought frequently and David was aggressive.
They broke up, only to get back

473
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:27.280
together days later. I think it's
important to point out that Heather wanted everyone

474
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.400
to think they had this perfect relationship
they but it really wasn't. Yeah,

475
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.199
David was just I think he was
hard to be with. Sounds like it.

476
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.960
Prosecutors met with Carol and Tom Lucas, Belinda's parents. They carefully laid

477
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.320
out all of the evidence for them. After the meeting, their minds were

478
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.719
changed and they no longer supported David. Tom considered killing David. He said,

479
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.880
quote, fathers are supposed to protect
their little girls, but Carol and

480
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.000
my family convinced me not to.
They said having me in jail wouldn't help

481
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:02.119
anyone end quote. I can kind
of understand that. I understand Tom and

482
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.400
Carroll became obsessed with getting justice for
Belinda and Aaron to such an extent that

483
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:12.679
the other Lucas kids had a hard
time spending time with them and distanced themselves

484
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.239
even further from their parents. David
allowed them to see Evan occasionally in the

485
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:21.719
beginning, but never without one of
his family members present. In the fall,

486
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.519
the Lucases gave an interview to a
TV station. In the interview,

487
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:29.920
they said they thought David might have
murdered Belinda. David severed ties with them

488
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:36.480
after the interview. Mark Schmidt,
one of the police officers who was working

489
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.480
the case, is kind of a
hero to this story. He was the

490
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:44.239
cop with a bone that wouldn't let
go. He was as dedicated to Belinda

491
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.440
as a family member. He said, quote, I thought about Belinda Temple's

492
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.280
murder before I closed my eyes at
night, and the first thing in the

493
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.320
morning. It was my first big
homicide, and it looked like the killer

494
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.639
might get away with murder end quote. For years, he continued to interview

495
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.639
people and sent evidence to the FBI
for testing. As testing methods improved,

496
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:09.400
he would resubmit items for testing.
Prosecutors were in no hurry. Prosecutor Wilson

497
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.039
said, quote, we had one
chance at David Temple. If he was

498
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.239
guilty and we tried him unsuccessfully,
we'd never be able to try him again.

499
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.519
We didn't see that there was a
hurry. There's no statute of limitations

500
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.519
on murder end quote. Good for
them, Good for them, but that

501
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:31.480
weight it must have been excruciating for
the familyating In March nineteen ninety nine,

502
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:36.800
a grand jury was convened to hear
the evidence. Many friends and neighbors testified,

503
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.519
including Tammy, Quinton, and Heather. David temple pleaded the fifth and

504
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.239
refused to testify. The grand jury
ruled the case against David as too weak

505
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:51.519
to continue. However, prosecutors got
what they wanted. Most witnesses on the

506
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.639
record before their memories faded, They
did say that that was their number one

507
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:58.280
goal. They knew that they at
that point they didn't have what they needed.

508
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.199
Days later, David called Tammy and
Quinton and told them they needed to

509
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:06.920
keep their mouth shut. Shortly after
the grand jury, someone broke into the

510
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:12.400
Harlan's house. That's Quinton and Tammy's
house. It rattled Tammy. After the

511
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.159
incident, she bought a gun and
carried it with her all the time.

512
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.880
David followed Tammy in his truck on
multiple occasions in an attempt to intimidate her.

513
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.440
They even moved out of their house
for several months. Quinton is still

514
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:30.440
working with David at this time.
Quinton talked to detectives around the one year

515
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.400
anniversary of Belinda's death. He told
them about a box of shotgun shells that

516
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.199
he'd seen when he'd help David move
things into storage. Police went to the

517
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.360
storage facility with a search warrant,
but they were not able to find the

518
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:45.440
shotgun shells. Quentin had come first
full circle and was now convinced David had

519
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:51.440
killed Belinda. It had been nearly
impossible to work with David since Belinda's murder.

520
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:57.039
David wasn't passive aggressive with him.
He was aggressive aggressive. Quinton wasn't

521
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.000
an anonymous source. In a local
news article, David went to the school

522
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.760
administration to complain. They told Quinton
he needed to find a new job.

523
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.360
The police department was concerned for the
Carlin's safety after the article was published and

524
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:14.800
escorted them out of town. They
left Katie and moved to Fort Worth.

525
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:20.519
Oh So, apparently being an anonymous
source is not super anonymous. Well,

526
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.039
I think David knew that. I
knew, Yeah, they were out for

527
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.800
him, But I can't believe they
had to leave town because of David.

528
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:29.440
Well, I can't believe the school
administration told Quinton he needed to find a

529
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.119
new job. I mean, I
would think they would have put David on

530
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:37.400
leave or something, right until discount
resolved, A second grand jury was convened,

531
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:42.400
and they too didn't think there was
enough evidence to bring charges against David.

532
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.679
As the days turned into months and
the months into years, Belinda's father,

533
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.519
Tom Lucas called the police frequently,
aching for an update on his daughter's

534
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.480
case. He wrote to the governor, and he asked the Texas Rangers and

535
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:58.840
the FBI to take up the case. He also wrote to America's most wanted

536
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:01.559
no one was will need to help
with the case, which good for him.

537
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:07.480
I mean, it just sounds like
the local police weren't. I mean,

538
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:12.400
I think they were trying really hard, but they just taking We could

539
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.000
talk about the evidence. Really,
there really wasn't a lot. I mean

540
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:21.000
a lot of it was circumstantial,
but circumstantial evidence is still evidence. And

541
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.079
with no gunshot residue on him,
I mean, really, what was the

542
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:29.039
evidence against him? And there really
wasn't much other than who else would have

543
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.960
wanted Belinda dead? Right, I
mean, no one one. Thing that

544
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:38.119
they invested, the investigators said was
they had never come across a victim that

545
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.480
was so talked, talked about so
glowingly as Belinda. They said, literally,

546
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.079
no one had a bad thing to
say about her. She was that

547
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.840
kind and lovely of a person.
Yeah, so really, no one,

548
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:57.039
No one had an agendative. In
January two thousand and one, two years

549
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:04.679
after Belinda's death, Heather and David
were engaged and married a June Oh congratulations,

550
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.920
And they actually had a wedding and
people went. They bought a new

551
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:13.960
house in Richmond, Texas, near
Katie. After the wedding, Evan began

552
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:19.320
calling Heather, mom, Oh no, she's the only mother. He remembers

553
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.880
that poor kid. Now, it's
so devastating. Heather and David never had

554
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.079
a child of their own, which
I think is kind of telling because they're

555
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:31.480
still pretty young. In December two
thousand and one, Lacey Peterson went missing.

556
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.239
You remember Lacey. Of course,
America then realized how vulnerable pregnant women

557
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:42.679
were in their marriages. The public
and media looked at Boland as unsolved murder

558
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:47.880
with renewed interest. The similarities in
the two cases were eye opening. In

559
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.760
April two thousand and three, after
years of working through nine to eleven evidence

560
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.599
and identifying victims, the FBI was
able to work on backloged items, among

561
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.559
them items from David Temple, several
items of his clothing were found to contain

562
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:07.559
gunshot residue, a shirt, jacket, sneakers, and pants. So after

563
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.400
nine to eleven, the FBI was
completely overwhelmed for years, and that's why

564
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.519
it took so long. And it's
still I think takes a long time for

565
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.440
them to analyze evidence a lot.
There's just this huge backlog, and the

566
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.360
FBI is the only one that can
perform certain tests. Okay, I guess

567
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.400
I didn't realize that that the gunshot
residue test on his clothing would have had

568
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.639
to go through the FBI. And
so and she was killed in nineteen ninety

569
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.599
nine. Yeah, so it was
just right. I mean, yeah,

570
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.039
it was. But maybe they didn't
immediately. Yeah, I'm sure there's always

571
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.920
a backlog, and I think there
always is a backlog. I don't think

572
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:46.480
I think two years might be kind
of extreme, right. A new prosecutor,

573
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.239
Kelly Siegler, was assigned to the
case, and she decided to move

574
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.679
forward with the case against David and
have him arrested. She knew it would

575
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:59.960
be an uphill battle. The evidence
against David was sparse. There was no

576
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.199
DNA or fingerprints, no eyewitnesses,
and no murder weapon. Kelly Siegler went

577
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.559
on to star in the true crime
TV show Cold Justice, where she tried

578
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:13.960
to solve cold cases. During her
tenure on the show, sixteen crimes were

579
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:19.760
solved and thirty people were arrested.
David was arrested on November thirtieth, two

580
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.719
thousand and four. A Texas law
enacted in September two thousand and three classified

581
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:28.239
the killing of a pregnant woman with
a viable fetus as a double murder,

582
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.559
but because Belinda was killed in nineteen
ninety nine, David was charged with a

583
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.559
single murder and not the death penalty. He was released on a thirty thousand

584
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.880
dollars bond. Had that law been
in place earlier, he would have been

585
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.280
charged with two murders and therefore the
death penalty. Yeah, that makes sense.

586
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.039
The Temples hired a team of lawyers
among the best in Texas, including

587
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:57.840
the legendary Dick de Geran who most
famously represented David Koresh, and Robert Durst.

588
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.079
You watch The Jinks, right,
Yes, A long time ago.

589
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.679
I don't think I watched it,
but I think he's featured in The Jinks.

590
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.599
Yeah, And I don't want to
give anything away, but people said

591
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:12.920
that the fact that he got Robert
durst off, he must be a really

592
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.320
good You're really good lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. The case was delayed multiple

593
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:22.760
times due to pre trial motions,
primarily stemming from disputes regarding the admissibility of

594
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.079
evidence, the relevance of David's past, and the selection of permissible witnesses.

595
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.519
David was suspended from his coaching and
teaching job at Hastings High School with pay

596
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.880
as the delay extended. He was
eventually given a job at an alternative school

597
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:43.760
in the district, working with at
risk youth. Lucas has appeared on Nancy

598
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:47.519
Grace's new CNN show. They were
her first ever guests. The same day,

599
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.920
the Temple family appeared in front of
Belinda and Aaron's grave with TV cameras

600
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.280
rolling. David's brother, Darren said, quote, this district Attorney's office has

601
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.519
decided to choreograph an ill prosecution against
David. It is not a coincidence that

602
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:08.199
David's arrest was a few days after
the Lacy Peterson verdict. Darren said David

603
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:15.599
was completely innocent. Before the trial
began, information was received that confirmed that

604
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:21.039
in nineteen eighty five, Ken Temple
had purchased a twelve gage shotgun. Remember

605
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.719
previously he had said when his sons
were in high school, he gave them

606
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.280
a twelve gage shotgun. And then
he was like, oh no, I

607
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.280
never said that. In a huge
blow to the prosecutors, in September of

608
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:37.119
two thousand and five, the FBI
ceased metallurgy testing, calling it junk science.

609
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:43.320
The National Academy of Science called the
testing deeply flawed and said that the

610
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:47.199
test results were misleading. The prosecutors
asked for an extension so the items could

611
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:52.039
be retested. It took months for
the test results, and they were far

612
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:57.679
less conclusive the second time around.
Only one item was returned positively for metal

613
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.440
fragments, and it couldn't be ruled
out that it had been contaminated. The

614
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:08.960
FBI's testing site shared a ventilation system
with the shooting range. David's attorneys requested

615
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:15.000
to throw out all the GSR evidence, claiming that the FBI lab was unreliable.

616
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.800
Let me explain about the metallurgy tests. I'm going to try to.

617
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:23.840
I think it's like a gunshot residue
test, but more invasive, and it

618
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:30.719
doesn't just say that there's a presence
of gunshot residue. It analyzes like the

619
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.400
metal fragments that are remaining from gunshot
residue. Okay, so that would help

620
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.519
them like tie it back to the
type of gun and the type of ammunition,

621
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:45.360
and they would be able to analyze
like the garments from David versus Belinda's,

622
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.079
and then they u to tie them
back together. So just the presence

623
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:53.039
of gunshot residue, you know,
that's one thing, but to say decisively

624
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.840
it's this, you know, it's
the same matter from you know, the

625
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.280
same So the doubt that was thrown
in here was that they weren't they wouldn't

626
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.840
be able to match it up,
but they could still say that he had

627
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:09.159
gunshot residue on his clothing. Yeah, but it wasn't necessarily the exact same.

628
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:14.639
Yeah, it's not as strong,
right, Yeah, But they are

629
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:19.440
kind of, you know, saying
that all this test testing is junk science.

630
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.480
It's weird how many things, how
much blowback there has been on so

631
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.000
many different forensic tests recently, like
they want to call it, you know,

632
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.360
blood spatter is drunk science and writing
analysis. Yeah, yeah, it's

633
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.360
all it's all junk. I mean, I should be looked at it carefully

634
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.880
and closely, but I don't think
all of it is drunk science. Why

635
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:43.400
not? Finally on October sixteenth,
two thousand and seven, So this is

636
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:49.239
you know. Blinda was killed January
of nineteen ninety nine. On October sixteenth,

637
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.280
two thousand and seven, the trial
began, three years after David had

638
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.639
been arrested and nearly nine years since
Belinda and Aaron's murder. Dick de Garan

639
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:01.960
and Kelly Siegler had sparred in court
twice before. He'd lost both times.

640
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:07.960
Some coined their latest courtroom battle the
Clash of the Titans. Much of their

641
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.000
battle was fought in pre trial hearings, delaying the start of the trial.

642
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.199
Heather, You remember Heather, right, of course. Heather testified she was

643
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:21.280
aggressive, claiming that she and David
had been friends after Belinda's death, and

644
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.119
she hadn't been in love with him. Then, Heather said that David was

645
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:28.920
in love with his wife and happy
with her. He saw a future only

646
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:34.079
with Belinda. The judge had to
warn her twice to answer the questions asked

647
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:39.360
and not argue with prosecutors. The
judge ruled that the gunshot residue should not

648
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:45.079
be allowed in his evidence. An
old friend of the Temple Boys was called

649
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.119
as a witness. He testified that
Kevin Temple, one of David's brothers,

650
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.119
had left him a message cautioning him
not to mention any guns the Temple's owned

651
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:58.519
to the police. Undeterred by the
threat, he testified that he had often

652
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:02.280
hunted with the Temple on their property
and he knew for a fact that they

653
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:08.920
owned for twelve gage shotguns. Really
bothers me that the family that David's family

654
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:14.519
is trying to cover for him,
really, Like, I understand wanting to

655
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.280
be on the side of your son
or your brother and not believe that they

656
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:22.840
committed murder. But I would never
lie to the police about something that important.

657
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.360
I wouldn't either. And if you
love Belinda, I mean she and

658
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.880
Aaron deserve justice. So it's really
disturbed. And they did intimidate multiple people,

659
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.280
and I don't believe any charges were
ever filed wow against any of them,

660
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.199
which I think is wrong. Yeah. Brenda was the last witness for

661
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:44.360
the prosecution. She was adamant that
her sister's marriage was not a happy one.

662
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:49.079
The prosecution rested, The defense requested
the trial be adjourned, as they

663
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.719
usually do. They said that the
prosecution did not prove their case and the

664
00:48:52.760 --> 00:49:00.199
motion was denied. Can Temple,
David's father, a preacher, testify that

665
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.599
he had never bought David a twelve
kh a shotgun. He became belligerent like

666
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.199
Heather. The judge had to warn
him to answer the questions. He was

667
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.719
being asked, I'm just to get
on the witness stand and lie, especially

668
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:17.000
being yeah, yeah, it's just
crazy to me. David Temple testified on

669
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.400
week five of the trial. He
talked about the love he had for his

670
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:25.599
family. He claimed that he'd given
Belinda a purse for Christmas and perfume for

671
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:30.880
her birthday, and that he'd helped
paint the nursery. He denied that he'd

672
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:36.039
ever told Heather that he loved her. Closing arguments began on November fourteenth.

673
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.599
The jury began their deliberation just two
hours before they called it today, but

674
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:45.719
by the next afternoon a verdict was
reached. They deliberated for about eight hours.

675
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:49.840
What do you think the verdict was? If I wasn't looking at your

676
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:52.360
script, I would say not guilty. Because it was so fast and because

677
00:49:52.360 --> 00:50:00.559
of the gunshot residue being not admitted
as evidence, he was found guilty wept,

678
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.079
as did his family behind him.
His mother fainted. As David was

679
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.320
led from the courtroom in handcuffs,
he mouthed, oh shit to his family.

680
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.519
He was sentenced to life in prison. Mark Schmidt. Remember he's the

681
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:19.079
heroic police officer who wouldn't let the
case go said later, regarding the verdict,

682
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.920
quote, we still had a dead
woman and child. David Temple was

683
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.840
going to prison, but we had
no reason to celebrate. There's always such

684
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.679
a good point. Yeah, no
matter what happens. It's like Belinda and

685
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:36.159
her daughter should still be here in
the in the words of the wire,

686
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.639
the show we're watching right now.
He seems like good police. Yeah,

687
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:43.880
he does. Evan thirteen. When
David went to prison, got to meet

688
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.880
with Belinda's parents. He was quiet
but sweet. He lived with Heather.

689
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:52.719
David wouldn't be eligible for parole until
twenty thirty seven, when he was sixty

690
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.199
nine. However, in twenty sixteen, a Court of appeal has determined that

691
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:04.599
David's trial was unjust due to Brady
violations and prosecutorial misconduct. No defense alleged

692
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:08.840
that they'd been denied to fourteen hundred
pages of crucial discovery, much of the

693
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:15.800
evidence involved Joe Sanders, the Temple's
neighbor and Belinda's formal former student. I

694
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:21.039
mean, remember, he did fail
three polygraph tests and he did have access

695
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:24.480
to a twelve twelve gage shotgun.
Belinda had had talked to his parents on

696
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:29.039
more than one occasion about his truancy
and told him about a party he'd had

697
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:32.079
when they were out of town.
The withheld of evidence revealed that at one

698
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:37.800
point during the investigation Joe was a
viable suspect. Kelly Siegler had quashed the

699
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:44.119
investigation and he was cleared. She
admitted she withheld some evidence because she thought

700
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:50.079
it was irrelevant. Kelly Siegler was
charged with thirty six counts of prosecutorial misconduct.

701
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:54.159
November twenty sixteen, granted a new
trial. David Temple was released from

702
00:51:54.199 --> 00:52:00.519
prison to await a new trial.
The Harris County DA recused themselves from the

703
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.960
case, citing conflict of interest,
and the state Attorney General took over the

704
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:10.760
case. A second trial began in
twenty nineteen. Is that crazy? Yes,

705
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.159
that is crazy, and there was
another three year delay there. Evan

706
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:20.360
Temple, Belinda, and David's son
gave compelling testimony. Evan Temple said on

707
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.920
the witness stand quote, I want
my dad out of prison. I lost

708
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.440
my dad once. I don't want
to lose him again. My father was

709
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:30.559
a big influence. Even when he
wasn't present, he got to write letters,

710
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.679
calls maybe three or four times a
week end. Quote. He called

711
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.079
his dad his hero and said he
has never wavered in his belief that his

712
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:43.280
father is innocent. I'm not going
to talk much more about the trial other

713
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.960
than Evan's testimony. That was the
first time that he had testified. The

714
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:52.320
jury voted to convict David, but
was deadlocked on the sentencing portion. Ten

715
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.920
voted for life in prison and two
were holdouts for a lesser sentence. The

716
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.039
judge was forced to rule a mistrial. Here is never Yeah, I've never

717
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.400
heard of it. They found him
guilty, but they just couldn't agree on

718
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:08.480
anything the sentence. Oh Man.
A retrial of the punishment phase was scheduled

719
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:14.360
for twenty twenty before the COVID outreak, but it was delayed until April of

720
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.079
twenty twenty three. On April twenty
first, twenty twenty three, David,

721
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.400
now fifty four, was sentenced to
life in prison. Wow. So the

722
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:27.719
twenty four years after Belinda and Aaron
were murdered. Good lord, but he

723
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.119
had spent you know, a fair
amount of time in prison. Still,

724
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:34.440
yeah, that's really a big delay
of justice. But I guess I misunderstood.

725
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.199
So when you said the judge was
forced to rule a mistrial, it

726
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:42.480
was a mistrial for the punishment hearing, not for the guilty verdict. Yeah,

727
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.679
it wasn't. Didn't. He didn't
have to do the whole trial,

728
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:50.199
Thank goodness. Okay, here is
a clip of Mark Schmidt. Came out

729
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:55.679
here a lot during the investigation.
Yes, as often as I could.

730
00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:02.639
When the investigation was ongoing, I'd
stop by and visit the grief safe,

731
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:14.079
say a prayer for her and Aaron, and pray that we would someday get

732
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.199
a conclusion and get justice for them. When you're out here, what did

733
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:27.480
you feel that it helps center you? Yep, exactly exactly needed that that

734
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:32.400
occasional reminder come out here and just
just be here for a few minutes.

735
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:38.599
Just feel different being out here now. I'll admit it's been a long time

736
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:51.440
since I've been here, but we
got closure to a degree. It'll never

737
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:55.480
go away. We're never going to
forget this. And as Andy was saying,

738
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:05.000
nobody's going to ever forget this,
but at least we got the closure

739
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:12.679
for Belinda and Aaron. Good police
just breaks your heart, doesn't break your

740
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.199
heart when you hear like you know, it just makes me really happy when

741
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:20.400
I hear a police officer who obviously
cares so much. You know, you

742
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.280
hear too many other stories on the
other side, So it's really nice.

743
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.719
I agree with you one hundred percent. But it also it makes me sad

744
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.119
though that it haunted him to such
a degree, to where he really was

745
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:35.519
just kind of obsessed. Right,
you need to find you know. And

746
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.880
it's silly. We are not police, but we're podcasters and sometimes I do

747
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.639
carry some of the cases with me, and you know, it is it's

748
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:46.039
hard to hear these stories and process
them and you know, in a healthy

749
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:52.679
way and not obsessively think about them. Yeah, So that is the sad

750
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:58.199
story of a David and Belinda Temple. And so Evan is still like he

751
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.880
lives with Heather as his mom.
Well, he's an adult, he's like

752
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:06.400
almost there. He is married,
he's married, he lives in El Paso,

753
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.039
and he works as an accountant.
So it seems like he's you know

754
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.360
he's doing as well as he could
be. And you know, we can

755
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.920
poke at Heather and you know a
little bit, but I think she tried

756
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:21.000
her best to be a good mom
to him, and you know, sadly,

757
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.920
she's the only hope. I hope
he knows more about his mom.

758
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:28.280
I didn't talk about this, but
one of her good friends that she worked

759
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.400
with, like she had some really
great friends, like everyone who knew her

760
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:37.039
loved her, who made like the
scrap Book of Belinda and had people write

761
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.079
stories about it. And I hope
she was able to give it to him.

762
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.960
She really wanted to give it to
him so he could get to know

763
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.760
his way through that. Belinda's tombstone
it reads temple at the top and then

764
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:52.559
it says Belinda Tracy her you know, death and birth dates. Aaron Ashley

765
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:58.920
is underneath that. They're buried together, and the tombstone says mother and child.

766
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:04.519
We feel that much of angel wings
nice. I wonder if David could

767
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:08.199
have had CTE, which a lot
of football players get, oh, chronic

768
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:15.000
traumatic and cephalopathy. Did I say
that it sounded great? Okay? But

769
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:19.920
yeah, but I mean he I
don't think he was He was a hothead,

770
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.559
even back in high school though before
he would have had any traumatic brain

771
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:25.960
I'm just drawing that out there.
I think that you know a lot of

772
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.519
aggressive football players, do you suffer
from it? And the steroid thing too,

773
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:35.800
I think there's definitely an argument to
be made that steroids can cause you

774
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:39.480
to, you know, even anger
issues you stop using them. I mean,

775
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.480
did he stop using him? I
mean I think I think he did.

776
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.440
I think when he wasn't playing football
anymore, he had no reason to

777
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.239
use them. Yeah, that makes
sense. I'm just wondering if how well

778
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:55.280
planned out this could have been.
Did he plan on hiding the murder weapons

779
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:00.519
somewhere? I mean it's still never
been found. And then so where was

780
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:06.679
Evan when Belinda was shot? Like
maybe he put Evan in the in the

781
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.760
vehicle and then went up and I
don't know, right, Yeah, Yeah,

782
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:14.360
the murder weapon is interesting. I
do wonder if it is at his

783
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:16.840
parents' house. It sounds like that
would be the most natural place for him

784
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:20.679
to hide it, and it would
probably be difficult to be found if it

785
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:25.039
was like in a swampy area.
Yeah, and it's hard to imagine a

786
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:30.039
burglar could have gotten into the house
or the teenage neighbor. They probably wouldn't

787
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:34.039
have been able to get Doss the
dog. The dog really was vicious.

788
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.920
Although I didn't say this, but
this was kind of funny. The David's

789
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:42.760
attorney at one point was talking about
how picture perfect their life was and how

790
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:46.440
David would never have wanted to harm
his beloved wife, and he talked about

791
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:52.280
how they He literally said they had
the friend a friendly dog, and everyone

792
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.760
who knew the Temples was like,
no, that dog was not friendly.

793
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.840
I wanted to mention again the number
one cause of death for pregnant women remains

794
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:07.320
homicide by their partner. That's just
so so mind blowing and tragic and so

795
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:14.400
horrible. Heather divorced David in twenty
nineteen amid the second trial. I think

796
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.639
she owned she stayed with him when
he was in prison for nine years.

797
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:22.840
She stayed with him. Prosecutor Kelly
Siegler's show was later canceled after they were

798
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:28.920
sued twice for defamation of character,
but it was later picked up by Oxygen,

799
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.599
and I think it. I don't
think it has run continuously, but

800
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:37.679
I think it's kind of aired a
few different times. Oh, this one,

801
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:42.639
this one blew me away. You
know how I'm always digging for more

802
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:46.440
information. This one kind of shocked
me. Tammy Harlan, You remember Tammy

803
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:52.320
Quinton's wife. Quinton's wife, Belinda's
very good friend who coined the phrase Barbie

804
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:58.440
bitch. She was arrested in twenty
nineteen for a twenty sixteen hit and run

805
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:05.079
offence involving a nineteen ten year old
Baylor University student, David Grotberg. So

806
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:09.559
she had this incident happened in twenty
sixteen, and so for three years it

807
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:16.199
was an unsolved case. The police
received an anonymous letter in twenty nineteen saying,

808
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:19.519
hey, I think you need to
look at Tammy, and then they

809
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:23.840
were able to look at her.
She had her car repaired like a month

810
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:30.519
after the incident, and she,
yeah, she hit this poor young man

811
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:32.760
who was on a bicycle. She
had been at a party and she'd been

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drinking some wine with some friends.
She said, she told someone the next

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day, I hit a kid.
She's like, I think I hit a

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kid. I'm not sure if I
hit a kid, it might have been

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a stop sign. That's a saying
he killed. Yeah, he was killed.

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Wow, she was sentenced. I
think that during this phase she must

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have. She and Quentin must have
divorced because in the articles that I read,

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like her name changed. She went
from Tammy Harland to Tammy Blankenship.

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So this just happened in early February
that the trial happened. It was a

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two week trial, and then she
was sentenced to ten years in prison.

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01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.320
Wow, which I'm not sure if
ten years in prison for a hit and

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01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.519
run is I don't know. That
seems like kind of a light sentence a

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little bit. Yeah. I mean, you took someone's life, even if

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it was an accident, but you
took their life and you fled. See

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yeah, that's yeah. And she
was also convicted in twenty eighteen of another

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dw I oh wow. So yeah, we'll rest in peace, Belinda and

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01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:43.519
Aaron so so sad. Yeah.
I want to mention my source once again.

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It is a book called Shattered by
Catherine Casey c A. S.

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E. Y. It was an
excellent book. It was very well bought

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out, so great job well.
As always, thank you very much for

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listening. We appreciate all of you. Are we going to drive to BUCkies

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real quick, real quick? In
five hours? Yeah? Well did you

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01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.360
google that? How far away is
it? Five? Hours. I didn't

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see one in Ohio. I saw
one in Kentucky. Maybe that's what I

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met hold On. It was about
a five hour drive to Like. It

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was just south of Lexington. What
else are we going to do? Sleep?

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