Aug. 10, 2026

Betty and Allan Gore/Candy and Pat Montgomery - Part 2 of 3

Betty and Allan Gore/Candy and Pat Montgomery - Part 2 of 3
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In 1980, Betty and Allan Gore and Candy and Pat Montgomery seemed to have much in common. They were raising young families, active in the same small Methodist church, and navigating the pressures of marriage, careers, and parenthood in the growing suburbs north of Dallas. This three-part series follows the relationships that developed between the two couples, the affair that changed all of their lives, and the investigation and trial that became one of the most talked-about murder cases in Texas history.

Listen to part 3 today on Patreon

Today's snack: Fried spaghetti

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Hi, I'm Tina, and I'm Rich. If there's one thing

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that we've learned in over twenty years of marriage.

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It's that some days you'll feel like killing.

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Your wife, and some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to love, Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey Tina.

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How are you?

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I am doing pretty good? How are you?

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I am great now that I'm sitting across the table

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from you.

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Yes, I'm so happy to be here again. And here

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part two.

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Of this still little maybe a little sarcasm. No, he's

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like a baseball game or something right now that you'd

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better rather be wise.

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There's a game starting a little bit. You do seem

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to tend to time the recording times with when there's

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a Tiger's game on, But that's okay.

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There's a Tiger's game on every day. So yeah, how

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are the Tigers doing well?

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You know, they are trying to claw their way back

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into contention. They're doing pretty good, but they still have

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a ways to go, so we'll see.

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There was a Cubs Tigers series this week and what.

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Happened Tigers one, two out of three. Yeah, at Wrigley

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Field in Chicago. So that was great.

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I mean, it's great for one of us. I have

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no idea even what's going on with the Cubs.

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The Cubs are a good team.

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That's very generous. Have you to say. I don't know

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if the Lions are or not. I mean the animals,

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they're both.

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They're both Detroit sports teams.

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If I'm being honest with you, I'm struggling a little

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bit today. I have a little bit of a headache.

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The humidity is back up here.

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And it's been working really hard.

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Got some corn sweat going on? Wait, corns? Yeah, corn sweat?

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What is corn sweat?

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I think we've talked about this before. It's like a

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Midwest phenomenon because we grow so much corn. The corn

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like it releases a lot of moisture into the air,

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and so that makes our climate more human in the summertime.

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Oh, I did not. I don't remember i''re talking about that,

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but I'm sure we did.

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Good thing about getting older is have these conversations. I

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have good news today. I put my contacts in the

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right eye yesterday they were switched. I have different prescriptions

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and one is for close up and one is for far.

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And you didn't know it immediately.

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I knew it, but I just didn't change it. So

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I don't know my left for my right. Sometimes I

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shouldn't admit this to people.

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Are you a little dyslex No.

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No, it's not that. It's just that I do know

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I left for my right. But I feel like if

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I told you to raise your right hand, you would

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do it in like a split second. Right for me,

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I'm like, it's the one without the wedding ring. I

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don't know. I just I never the things I admit

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to people.

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But very fascinating.

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So I made you a snack. I made you like

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a kind of a meal. Could you smell it?

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Like you were working pretty hard in the kitchen?

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I could.

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I could not smell if I could hear something like sizzling, which.

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Made me fried spaghetti fried spaghetti. In one of the

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episodes of Love and Death, I think it was Father's Day,

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Candy makes her husband Pat a fried spaghetti. He's like, oh,

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my favorite. Like, I've never heard of fried spaghetti far,

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So I decided.

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To make its exciting.

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Do you want to try it?

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Yeah? Absolutely?

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Wait, I also made you a little bit of garlic

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toast and some amy loose chicken meatballs around sale at Costco.

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So I threw a few of those that hungry. Yeah,

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so do you want to give it a try?

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Yeah? Absolutely?

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What did you think of fried spaghetti? My new favorite

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you want for Father's Day?

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It's really good. I'm not sure how much different it

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is than just regular spaghetti.

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But you make the spaghetti and you put the you know,

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the pasta and the sauce together, and then you put

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some cheese in it, and then you fry it in

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a pan. My pan wasn't quite I don't think it

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was hot enough, or I didn't have enough oil or

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butter or whatever it's supposed to be. I think a

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little crunchier kind. I put it in the air fire

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for a couple of minutes because we wanted to get

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up here and record, so it should be like probably

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a little crispier. But yeah, I think it's really good.

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I'll post the recipe has really good flavor. There's a

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different version of fried spaghetti that's more like a pasta

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carbonara with like eggs, and I thought you would hate that. Yeah,

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that doesn't sound kind of like a throwback to the

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nineteen seventies and eighties. It seems like no, I just

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mean this recipe.

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Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Yeah, but yeah, I would make it again. I think

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it's really good. Yeah, you will post the recipe. Oh

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what did you think of the meatballs?

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They're good, very good.

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Yeah, I thought the meatballs were really good too. They're

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a brand called Amylus. I got them at Costco. They

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run sale this week. We're just trying to get more

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protein and just meatballs are an easy thing to throw

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into your pasta or whatever, and I think they're pretty solid.

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One hundred and sixty calories for like four meatballs at

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about twenty grams of proteins.

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Nice.

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Did you dream last night of Betty and Candy?

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I did not.

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No, I didn't either.

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I'm surprised you're not. You've been so focused on this

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for Immersed.

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Yeah, I did watch. There is a movie from the

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nineteen eighties that I watched last night on double Space.

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So we got a lot out of it. But we'll

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talk about that at the end of part three.

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Okay.

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Would you like to give a recap of part one?

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I would love to. It was June thirteenth, nineteen eighty,

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a blistering Friday the thirteenth in Collin County, Texas. Candy

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Montgomery left vacation Bible School to make what should have

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been a quick stop at the home of her friend

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Betty Gore to pick up Betty's daughter, Elisa's swimsuit. When

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Candy finally returned to church nearly two hours later, she

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had changed her clothes, bandaged a deep cut on her foot,

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and rehearsed an explanation for why she had been gone

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so long. The two couples at the center of this story,

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Betty and Alan Gore and Candy and Pat Montgomery, were

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young parents raising two children each while their husband's built

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careers in North Texas's rapidly growing technology industry. The families

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became friends through the First United Methodist Church in Lucas,

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where they volunteered together, sang in the choir, and worshiped together.

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But beneath the surface, both marriages were under strain. Betty

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struggled with anxiety, loneliness, and postpartum depression, while Candy, despite

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her busy life and popularity, found herself increasingly restless and dissatisfied.

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In the fall of nineteen seventy eight, after literally bumping

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into Alan during a church volleyball game, she began to

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see him differently. That newfound attraction led Candy to make

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an unthinkable proposition, would Alan consider having an affair with her.

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He initially resisted, but the seeds had been planted, and

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he gradually warmed to the idea.

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Is there anything we didn't talk about there that we

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should mention?

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I think the only thing maybe is that Betty We

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mentioned in the summary that she suffered from anxiety and

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postpartum depression, but that also led to a lot of

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health problems. Right She was at the doctor constantly for edd.

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Aches and stomach aches and a lot of different things too.

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Betty was also a school teacher. One thing I wanted

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to mention is if you watched Love and Death. In

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that series, they called Betty and Alan's daughter Alissa, but

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we're calling her Alisa. I watched a couple of documentaries

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with Betty's family, and that's what they called her. So

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that's the pronunciation that we're going with. Okay, Candy and

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Alan weren't supposed to fall in love. That was rule

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number one. On November fifteenth, Candy's birthday, Alan called and

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asked if she'd like to meet him in McKinney. The

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next day. He was getting his tires checked on his

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new truck they could have lunch while the truck was

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in the shop. Candy heartily agreed. When she arrived, he

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handed her a birthday card that read for the last

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of the Red Hot Lovers, with a small bag of

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red Hot inside. She loved it. They went to a

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small restaurant for lunch. The conversation flowed comfortably until Alan

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blurted out.

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I've never done anything like an affair before.

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I haven't either.

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I would never be able to forgive myself if Betty

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ever found out about something like that. I think it

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would just be devastating to her.

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I feel the same way. I wouldn't want to see

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anyone heard by this, Pat or Betty. We would have

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to be so careful that no one would ever know

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except us.

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I've been thinking a lot about what you said about

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not wanting to get emotionally involved. That would be very

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important for me.

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Me too, Allan, I just want to enjoy myself without

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hurting myself or anyone else.

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Well, let's think about it some more, and maybe we

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should think about the hazards some more, and whether we

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want to take that risk.

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Fine, I think we should. At the end of the month,

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Candy invited Alan to her house for lunch. She made lasagna.

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She was famous for her lasagna. Candy had taped a

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large white piece of butcher paper to the wall with

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two columns, why and why not. It made Alan laugh.

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He still required a little more convincing, but Candy was

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all in.

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That is the way to an engineer's heart. By the

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way is to make a list like that and be

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very logical and organized.

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Spreadsheeting really is the ideal. A few days later, he

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called and told Candy he was ready to start the affair.

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It was the most cautious, well thought out affair since ever.

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Before they started, Candy wrote up the rules and shared

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them with Allen. One if either of them ever wanted

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to end the affair for whatever reason, it would end,

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no questions asked. Two, if either one became too emotionally involved,

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the affair would end. Three. If they ever started taking

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risks they shouldn't be taken, the affair would end. Four.

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All expenses, food, motel, gasoline would be shared equally. Five

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They would only meet on weekdays while their spouses were

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at work. Six Candy would be in charge of fixing

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lunch on the days they met, so they could have

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more time, they figured they would need all of Alan's

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two hours off for lunch. Seven Candy would be in

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charge of getting a motel room for the same reason.

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Eight they would meet on a Tuesday or a third

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day once every two weeks. This was because Candy was

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free only on the days when Ian attended preschool. She

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took him each Tuesday and Thursday from nine to two,

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but she figured that three out of those four school

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days she would need for all the other errands in

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church and school duties in her hectic schedule. Alan made

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it clear that he had no intentions of ever leaving Betty,

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and his eyes marriage was forever.

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It's so organized. My biggest takeaway from this is that

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Alan has two hours for lunch. That's crazy.

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Well, they only saw each other every other week. Yes,

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so I think you could probably make excuses why you

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needed to be out. But the book that I read

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did say that he was able to make his own schedule.

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Yeah, and she actually wrote these rules down on paper,

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which seems that seems a little risky to me if

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they're really intent on not getting caught that these are

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written down somewhere, right.

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I had the same thought, and then these big pieces

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of butcher paper that she had like everything that she

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was doing at home. Don't you think if I made

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fried chicken for lunch, she would come home and you'd

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be like, oh, yeah, my fried chicken. Maybe she made

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enough for dinner later too. They scheduled their first encounter

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for December twelfth, nineteen seventy eight. Candy dropped the children

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off at school and then went home to prepare lunch

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marinated chicken, salad, one thousand island dressing, cheesecake, and wine.

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I was going to make you that for a snack,

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but you don't like cheesecake. She placed it all in

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a picnic basket and a tablecloth and set off to

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find a motel near Alan's office in Richardson. She paid

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twenty nine dollars or one hundred and eighteen dollars today

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for room two thirteen at the Continental Inn and called

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Alan and gave him the address. She slipped into a

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light pink negligee and readied the lunch. When Alan arrived,

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it was clear that they were both very nervous. Candy joked,

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I feel like what we are eating. After they'd eaten

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and packed away the dishes, Alan gently kissed her. Then

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she returned the kiss with tongue. Alan hedged, has he

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never been French kids before? Candy wondered he was a

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fast learner. The sex was quick, but Candy thought he

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had promised as a lover. One thing was certain. She'd

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later tell friends that Allan had the most perfectly shaped

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penis that she had ever laid eyes on. Before they left,

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they showered together. After their first rendezvous, they began meeting

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at the cheaper, seedier Como motel across the street. Somehow,

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the run down motel made the affair feel even more illicit.

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A room there cost twenty three fifty plus two dollars

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for the key deposit. They met once every other week.

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For both of them, but especially Allan, the affair became

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an escape from the pressures of marriage and everyday responsibilities.

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He was surprised how much he enjoyed it. With Candy,

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he could relax. She made him feel appreciated, cooking his

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favorite meals and leaving thoughtful notes and small treats on

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his car between visits. The relationship wasn't without gailt however,

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Betty was pregnant with her second child, and Allan knew

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that if she is discover the affair. It would devastate her.

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But Betty and Allan didn't just have sex. They talked

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and could diffideed in one another. It was probably Candy's

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favorite part. As the weeks ticked by, they grew closer,

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closer than they'd intended, definitely close to breaking one of

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the rules. Allan called Candy most days from his office

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just to say hi, to see how her day was.

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A couple of months in, Candy told Allan she wasn't

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sure they should continue. I think about you too much,

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she said, I can't fall in love with you. Allan

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pleaded with Candy to let their relationship run its course.

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She agreed, but as Betty's due date approached, Alan told

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Candy they needed to cool things off. He could not

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be with Candy when his wife went into labor. He

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would never forgive himself if she was being honest with herself.

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Candy was relieved to take the break. She cared about Allan,

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but the sex had become as routine as it had

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in her marriage. He'd become another man that she needed

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to cook for, and it was all a little tiring.

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But after the new baby was born, despite her reservations,

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Candy and Allen continued the affair.

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I find it interesting that she was talking to her

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friends about his penis, only because they were so adamant

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that this if we have to no one can find

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out about this. It can only be between us. But

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it sounds like Candy turned right around and told her

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friends about this.

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I may have misrepresented that fact. It might have just

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been Sherry and eventually Jackie Ponder pastor Jackie.

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But even telling one person, it's like, you know, those

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kind of things they get.

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Me and Sherry were really close, and she knew that

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she could count on Sherry to keep her secret. But

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you're right, but you know, girls do talk about things

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like that.

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I guess so. Betty had struggled with depression and the

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physical effects of stress long before the birth of her

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second daughter, but after Bethany was born, she developed postpartum depression,

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leaving her feeling increasingly isolated, anxious, and overwhelmed. She found

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comfort and routine. Betty liked to plan ahead, stay organized,

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and know what to expect in a world where so

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much felt uncertain. Creating order gave her a sense of stability.

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To some, she could come across as rigid or controlling,

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but it wasn't about controlling other people. It was her

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way of managing the anxiety that came from a world

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she knew she couldn't control. A couple of months after

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Bethany was born, Betty initiated love making, which was atypical.

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Alan had been with Candy earlier in the day and

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wasn't interested. After he rebuffed her advances, Betty was embarrassed

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and devastated. She accused Alan of not loving her anymore

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and not being attracted to her. He tried to calm her,

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but she spiraled further and fell into another depression and

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some of her health issues re emerged. Alan decided he

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needed to break things off with Candy. It wasn't fair

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to Betty, but Candy didn't want to end their affair.

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I do love you, Allan, I.

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Know, but we've become too close. We've become so close

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that I'm afraid I don't love Betty anymore, and that

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was never part of our agreement. We've both been using

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each other to fill gaps in our marriages and that's

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not right.

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It's just so unfair.

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Later that month, Alan accepted a job with ECS Telecommunications.

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They were among the first installers of voicemail systems for businesses.

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It was a good opportunity for Alan, but required more travel,

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which Betty loathed. However, she agreed the opportunity was too

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good to pass up with the higher salary and stock options.

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The new job would also mean that Alan wouldn't be

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able to spend as much time with Candy. She could

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sense they were nearing the end of the affair, and

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she wasn't sure how she would go back to normal life.

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In the fall of nineteen seventy eight, Pastor Jackie was

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offered a new position that was a perfect fit. She

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would be in charge of the Wesley Foundation, the Methodist

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campus ministry at Midwestern University in Wichita Falls. It was

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an opportunity to combine her passion for teaching with her

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calling to ministry, serving both the university community and the

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congregation that worshiped on campus. It was a hard decision

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because she loved her first United Methodist family. She turned

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it down initially, but later accepted the job.

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Pastor Jackie leaving devastated both Candy and Betty. They looked

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up to her so much, and especially for Candy, she

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had become a confidant and just a very close friend.

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Her leaving was very hard on both of them, okay.

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Pastor Jackie's poor replacement was a twenty four year old

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minister named Ron Adams. Betty wasn't impressed. In her opinion,

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which she rarely kept to herself, Ron was no substitute

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for Jackie. She doubted the young, inexperienced pastor could move, inspire,

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and lead the congregation the way that Jackie had. He

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lacked her warmth, joy, and enthusiasm. Betty's opinion of him

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only worsened after he announced that the handmade holiday decorations

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created by members of the congregation would have to go.

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He read his sermons in an uninspired way from note cards,

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rarely looking up or engaging the congregation. Pastor Ron didn't

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seem to like that first United Methodist was run mostly

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by women like Candy and Betty. He didn't seem to

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like women or children at all. He was rude to

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his wife and stand offish to his son. Betty lost

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her cool when he asked for ten thousand dollars or

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forty thousand dollars today to remodel the parsonage. Around here,

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we work on our own homes. She told him how

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much of the anti Pastor Ron sentiment. Do you think

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is because he wasn't good at his job versus he

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had big shoes to fill and people loved Pastor Jackie,

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so they were going to be negative, negatively predisposed.

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We talked about this a little bit in episode one,

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how because this church had such a small congregation before

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Pastor Jackie, a lot of new.

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Young pastors or rotating in and out.

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Yeah, exactly. So I think he was just, you know,

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one of these younger people that was just trying to,

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you know, learn how to do the job. And he

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would probably be moving on someday. And you know, Betty

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hadn't been in the congregation that long really, I think

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less than a year, So I mean, I can understand

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why she was upset because she was you know, she

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really did love Jackie and she was really moved by her.

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So Pastor Ron, yeah, he probably wasn't the greatest guy,

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but I think she was pretty hard on him too.

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We'll be back after a break.

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After the arrival of their new daughter, Betty's anxiety and

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self doubt re emerged. In the summer of nineteen seventy nine,

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Alan asked Betty to attend a marriage Encounter Weekend with

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him in hopes of strengthening their relationship. Marriage Encounter was

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an immersive, faith based retreat designed to help couples improve

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their communication, deepen their intimacy, and renew their marriage vows.

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To outsiders, the program had a cult like aspect to it.

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Betty initially refused, but by the fall she agreed to go.

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The weekend removed the distractions of everyday life. Through letter

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writing exercises and honest conversations about their feelings, Betty and

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Allan came to understand each other in a new way.

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On October twenty eighth, nineteen seventy nine, Betty wrote Allan

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the following letter. It shows us her state of mind

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and deep insecurity. Dear Allan, sometimes I have doubts about

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my worth as a person and wonder if I really

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am accomplishing anything and am doing what God would want

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me to do. But if you express your pride in me,

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then I feel reassured that I am really important. I

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need to be reassured and told this often, just as

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I need to see and feel tangible evidence of your love.

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I love you, Betty. Allan realized he had misunderstood Betty

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and gained a deeper appreciation for what she had been

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struggling with. One writing prompt, asked what you liked most

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about your spouse, Betty answered, the thing I like best

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about you is your calmness and your ability to look

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at everything squarely. You don't know, or maybe you do,

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how this affects me. You're my tranquilizer. When asked what

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she liked most about their relationship as a couple, she

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wrote that special feeling I get when we're together, warm

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and happy. It's horrible when we're not. It's like I'm

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only half of me. Maybe that means I'm not secure enough.

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I don't think so. Your presence is just important to me.

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Allan wrote that he admired Betty's dedication to raising the

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children and her job. He thought his strongest qualities were

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his unflappable calmness and rationality. He thought that they had

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a promising future. He felt secure, but not totally fulfilled

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yet in their marriage. When asked to write about his

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feelings of disillusionment, Allen wrote, I have feelings of boredom, emptiness,

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and sort of loneliness. I don't really know why, but

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I do. I don't feel like I really know what

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makes you happy, and that's frustrating. Sometimes I feel like

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what is most important to you is your classroom, not me.

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Not be true, but sometimes I feel jealous of that classroom.

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And Betty's last letter, she wrote here, I sit crying

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because I am so happy and so proud to be

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your wife. I've known that all along, but when you

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really stop to think about it, we are so lucky

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to have each other. Let's don't let anything come between us.

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We've been through so much, all of it we can

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look back at as good, except the times you were

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gone for a long time. I remember those times with dread,

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the a loneness, the coldness of a house that really

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wasn't a home without you there, The fear for your

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safety because you were where I was not and I

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couldn't make sure that you were okay. I never really

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felt fear for my safety at home alone, But the

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feeling of being alone is the worst possible one to have.

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It's like you're in a dark tunnel and you've got

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a long ways to go to the light. The light

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isn't there till you're home again, safe and sound. So

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these letters really give us a look into their marriage

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and Betty's deep insecurity and how heavily she leaned on Alan.

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Yeah, for sure, Alan. At this time, he and Candy

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had broken things off right and he was really making

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an effort to try to make things work or no, no.

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They were still seeing each other.

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Oh they were, oh okay.

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And I think this weekend really was a transition when

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he realized how important he was to Betty. And you know,

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I think he wanted to straighten things up after this, gotcha.

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The retreat concluded with a vow renewal ceremony. Allen left

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with a renewed commitment to put Betty first in his life.

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He knew that he needed to win things with Candy.

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Allan even agreed to leave First United Methodists for Betty.

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When Betty and Allen were at the retreat, Candy and

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Pat watched Alisa and Bethany for the weekend. When Betty

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and Allan arrived to pick up the girls, Candy sensed

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something had shifted in their marriage. There was a new

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closeness between them, a lightness that she hadn't seen before

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in Betty. They were beaming. Candy bristled. She had never

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seen them look so happy and calm. After the marriage encounter.

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Allan invited Candy to a picnic lunch and told her

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the affair was over. She told him how unfair that

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was to her, but he was steadfast. After the break up,

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Candy and Sherry began going to nightclubs, dancing, and meeting men.

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At her neighbor's Halloween party, Candy met a man named Richard,

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who asked her to meet up with him the next

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morning for coffee. Coffee led to a maryatte hotel in Dallas.

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00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.359
Richard proved to be more exciting and skilled than Alan,

480
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:29.200
but he lacked the sweetness and connection. He also took

481
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.240
more risks, calling Candy's house and even showing up one

482
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:36.759
afternoon unannounced. After six weeks, Candy ended the affair. She

483
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:39.880
had an epiphany, As she later told her friend Sherry,

484
00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.160
she wanted to rediscover me rather than looking outside her

485
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.079
marriage for fulfillment. Candy threw her energy into a new venture.

486
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.279
She and Sherry decided to launch a wallpaper and painting

487
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:55.319
business they called Cover Girls. Candy decided that she and

488
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.559
Pat should go to Marriage and Counter and work on

489
00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:01.559
their marriage, and he agreed. The weekend did bring them closer,

490
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:04.000
but they didn't become as devoted to the program as

491
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.759
some of their friends had. It was too much work,

492
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:10.279
but Betty Gore was an absolute believer in the program.

493
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.480
Shea fixed a marriage Encounter sticker to the bumper of

494
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:16.440
her car, and a latge hook rug with the emblem

495
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:20.920
decorated the wall above their fireplace. She and Alan were flames,

496
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.000
meaning that they were sponsors of newly encountered couples. She

497
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.720
called Candy to invite her and Pat over for dinner.

498
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:30.559
I'm sure of whether or not to accept the invitation,

499
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.799
she called Alan. They agreed to have lunch to talk

500
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.359
over the situation. After the lunch, Candy called Sherry and

501
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.359
told her, I think I've finally gotten Alan out of

502
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.440
my system. I found out I really didn't have anything

503
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:45.720
to say to him, and do you know what, his

504
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:49.160
eyes are too close together. By the time lunch was over,

505
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.319
I had no desire to go to bed with him ever. Again,

506
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.240
do you believe this sentiment?

507
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.680
I am not really buying it though, Yeah, because.

508
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.720
She said it makes me not believe it. This Marriage

509
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.359
and Counter program was pretty intense. I think every day

510
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:05.799
you had there was like there were lessons and you

511
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:08.440
had to take ten minutes and there was a prompt

512
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.160
and you had to write a letter to your partner,

513
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.279
I think almost every day. And so for Candy, she

514
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:16.440
was like, that's just too much work and I don't

515
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:20.279
want to do it right. But it was really working

516
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.119
for Betty and Allen. It really changed Betty's whole mindset.

517
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:23.759
That's cool.

518
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.680
Candy threw herself into church and volunteer work. In April

519
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.160
nineteen eighty, she went on a retreat with a friend,

520
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.640
leaving Pat and the children to fend for themselves for

521
00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:36.519
the weekend. Feeling melancholy, Pat decided to reread his and

522
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:40.039
Candy's correspondence from their dating days, but he couldn't find

523
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.160
the letters. He was surging through Candy's drawers when he

524
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.559
found a letter from Alan. The letter was revealing. It

525
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:50.920
mentioned their hotel rendezvous, the lunches, Candy prepared their love

526
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.240
for each other, et cetera. Alan mentioned ending the affair.

527
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:58.319
After the marriage encounter. Weekend, Pat was crestfallen. He wished

528
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.759
he could call Candy and tell her how he was feeling.

529
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.799
After a sleeveless night, he called Sherry and asked her

530
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.519
if Candy and Alan had had an affair. She had

531
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.519
admitted that they had, but promised Pat that it was

532
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:12.599
in the past. Candy loved him and was focused on

533
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:16.000
their marriage. Pat took the day to reflect on their marriage.

534
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.960
When Candy came home on Sunday, he greeted her with

535
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.960
flowers and a heartfelt letter. Pat apologized to Candy for

536
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.160
not being more emotionally available to her. He took the

537
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.119
blame for the affair. Pat and Candy took a second

538
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.680
honeymoon to South Padre Island to celebrate their ten year anniversary.

539
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.359
By the summer of nineteen eighty, it seemed that Betty

540
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.559
and Alan Gore and Candy and Pat Montgomery's marriages were

541
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.480
back on track and stronger than ever.

542
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.079
A quick question, it sounds like Pat told Candy that

543
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:45.240
he found out about the affair.

544
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:45.720
Yeah.

545
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:49.519
Oh, he definitely told her. Yeah. On June thirteenth, nineteen eighty,

546
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:51.960
Candy tried to slow her breathing as she drove back

547
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.480
to the church, putting the events of the last ninety

548
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.319
minutes out of her mind and focused instead on getting

549
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.720
through the rest of the day. She hurried back into

550
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.759
the first trying her best not to limp despite her

551
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.440
throbbing toe. She offered apologies for missing the parade. She

552
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.640
told several people the same thing. Oh, I'm so upset.

553
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.079
I went down to Betty's to get Alisa's swimsuit and

554
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:13.920
we just got to talking, and then I thought I

555
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.359
had time to go buy Father's Day cards at Target,

556
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:18.839
but my watch stopped and I didn't realize when I

557
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.440
got there, so I was late getting back. Sharp eyed

558
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.480
Betty huff Hines didn't say anything, but she noticed that

559
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.599
Candy had traded her ubiquitous flip flops for blue sneakers.

560
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.599
After the luncheon at the church was over, Candy took

561
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.200
the three children to Bolmart to pick up Father's Day

562
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.400
cards and then headed home for a bit. Before Alisa's

563
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.559
swim lesson. She called Pat and told him that they'd

564
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.680
pick him up at four forty five to go to

565
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.799
Dallas to see the movie and get dinner. Parked outside

566
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.559
of Texas Instruments, waiting for him, Candy pictured eleven month

567
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.640
old Bethany Gore, Alisa's baby sister. She had been left

568
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:58.839
alone since before noon. She reassured herself that Alan would

569
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.960
be home soon and every thing would be okay. Candy

570
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.960
didn't know that Allan was traveling to Minnesota for the weekend.

571
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.599
As hard as she tried, she couldn't shake the thought

572
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.440
that her actions had caused two young girls to be motherless.

573
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.079
At the Gore household, it had been an unsettling day.

574
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.400
The two little cocker spaniels barked all afternoon while Bethany

575
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.279
wailed in her crib. No one came to their rescue.

576
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.920
Poor Betty Gore lay dead in her laundry room. Alan

577
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.240
called the house at four p m. From the airport,

578
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.680
but no one answered. A neighbor girl, five year old Tina,

579
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.559
had walked over and rang the doorbell, hopeful to play

580
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.319
with Elisa, but no one answered the door. When she

581
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.480
got home, Tina told her grandmother that she could hear

582
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.960
the baby crying inside. After the movie was over, the

583
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.599
Montgomerys decided to pick up tacos. On the way home.

584
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.440
Pat went for a run while it was still light outside.

585
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.359
When he returned, drinking a glass of orange juice over

586
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.319
the sink, the phone ring It was allan Gore calling

587
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.279
from Saint Paul, Minnesota. Have you seen Betty. I've been

588
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.519
trying to get a hold of her all afternoon. I'm

589
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:05.039
getting worried. The blood rushed in Candy's ears, she felt lightheaded.

590
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:09.000
Grasping the counter for support, she explained that they'd extended

591
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:12.240
the sleepover and that Alisa was still with them. They

592
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.839
just returned from Empire Strikes Back. I haven't seen Betty

593
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.200
since this morning when I picked up Alisa's swimsuit. Wow,

594
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:20.440
it was the truth.

595
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.160
Just so I have the timeline right in my mind.

596
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.640
What time did Candy go over to Betty's house?

597
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.200
Probably tennish ten thirty am or so. She was back

598
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.279
to the church by noon, okay.

599
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:34.920
And then they went out to a movie afterwards. So

600
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:38.480
by the time Alan is calling Betty here, it's fairly

601
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.240
late in the day.

602
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.920
Yeah, it's probably seven o'clock or so. And the poor baby,

603
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.720
mm hmm, it's so heartbreaking to think of her in

604
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.200
hair crib. Yeah, just crying and crying.

605
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.799
And yeah, even though it was Friday, Alan had flown

606
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.000
to Minnesota to work over the weekend. He had recently

607
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.359
left his secure job at Rockwell International for a new

608
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:03.480
venture with a small electric conics company, ECS Telecommunications. There

609
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:05.839
was a little risk involved, but the payoff had the

610
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:09.319
potential to be huge. The job required long hours and

611
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:13.319
sometimes travel on weekends to placate major customers like three

612
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.839
M in order for them to compete with the big

613
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.559
dogs like Texas Instruments and rock Well. Alan was there

614
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.680
because three M needed their message switching system operational immediately.

615
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:27.160
The project was already two weeks overdue, and he was

616
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.640
feeling the heat. Alan enjoyed the challenge of his work,

617
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.519
and if he was being honest, while he loved his wife,

618
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.599
it was nice to have a little breather from her

619
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:38.720
and their daughters, but Betty hated it when he traveled.

620
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:42.119
Her anxiety worsened when she was forced to handle everything

621
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.240
on her own. Things went smoother if Alan checked in

622
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.759
with her a few times a day, But where was she?

623
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.319
Although Betty hadn't been happy about the trip to Minnesota

624
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.279
over the weekend, she hadn't minded as much as usual

625
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:56.759
because in a week she and Alan were traveling to

626
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.640
Europe without their children for a second honeymoon. Betty was

627
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.400
over the moon about spending a week alone with Alan,

628
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.160
although that morning she'd been panicked because her period was late.

629
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.839
Her first two pregnancies had been difficult, and she most

630
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.480
definitely wasn't ready for a third. Alan called home when

631
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.920
he got to the airport before his flight, but there

632
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.519
was no answer. He called again and again, but still

633
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.480
no answer. After he landed in Minneapolis, he tried again,

634
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:29.440
still no answer. This was highly unusual. Betty wasn't one

635
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.559
to make spontaneous plans. The only thing on her schedule

636
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:36.319
that day was Elisa's swim lesson. After that, he knew

637
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.920
that Betty was planning on doing laundry and working on

638
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.680
sewing some new outfits for their Europe trip. Alan checked

639
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.240
into his hotel before meeting friends for dinner. At nine pm,

640
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:49.400
he called his neighbor, Richard Parker, and asked if he

641
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.359
would go check on Betty and the girls. Parker was

642
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.079
a realtor and had sold Betty and Alan their house

643
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.599
three years earlier. The Gores mostly kept to themselves and

644
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:02.599
weren't friendly neighbors, so it was an awkward request. Richard

645
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.079
was looking after his own children while his wife was

646
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.960
having a girl's night, but he said he'd run over

647
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:11.039
and look real quick. He didn't even put on shoes

648
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.599
when he ran across the street to check things out.

649
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.319
He knocked on the door, but no one answered. Although

650
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.279
the lights were on, he didn't hear a sound. Richard

651
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.200
sprinted back to his house and told Alan they must

652
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.480
be out. No answer, but Alan knew that Betty wouldn't

653
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.400
be out this late without him. He thanked his neighbor

654
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.799
and then called the Montgomery house. After Candy told him

655
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.759
that she hadn't seen Betty since that morning, he asked

656
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.480
to speak with Elisa. Sweat gathered on Candy's brow as

657
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.960
she realized that Alan was on a business trip and

658
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.240
not at home. Baby Bethany had been alone for over

659
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.640
nine hours. Alan met his friends for dinner, though he

660
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.039
was so worried he didn't have much of an appetite.

661
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:53.920
Was Betty mad at him? He wondered? Was that why

662
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.119
she wasn't answering the phone. When he returned from dinner,

663
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.839
it was ten p m. He called his neighbor again

664
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.200
and asked him to see if Betty's car was in

665
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.799
the garage. He held the phone while Richard again sprinted

666
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.920
across the street. Yep, her car's there. The door is

667
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.079
open and the light is on. Alan knew Betty would

668
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.599
never go to bed and leave the overhead garage door

669
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:18.280
open in a million years. Once inside the garage, there

670
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.840
was a door that led right into their laundry, room. Alarmed,

671
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.440
Alan asked Richard if he could look up the number

672
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.039
for the police and the hospital for him. When Alan called,

673
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.199
neither had any information for him. He didn't know who

674
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:35.719
to call next, but dialed the Montgomery's number again from memory, Candy,

675
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:37.880
I don't know what to do. I'm so worried.

676
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:41.159
Stay called Alan. Do you want me to run over

677
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:42.239
there and check on things.

678
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.960
No, No, I'll call the neighbor again.

679
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.280
Call me back, Alan, Now you've got me worrying.

680
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:51.199
Okay, I'll call you later. Alan called his neighbor back

681
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.440
a third time, or Richard like, just you know, this

682
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.039
is not a close friend. It's a little bit awkward,

683
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.440
like asking your neighbor to continue any think by this.

684
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.159
Point he's worried and he doesn't really want to be

685
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.000
part of Yeah whatever, whatever, yeah exactly.

686
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.239
Richard agreed to find an open door or window and

687
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.519
enter the house and call Alan back. Richard called his

688
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:14.159
own wife and asked her to head home. He had

689
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.159
a horrible feeling that something was wrong at the gorehouse

690
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:19.960
and now he was at the center of things. When

691
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.599
he crossed the street again, he spotted a second car

692
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.800
in the driveway, a little Volkswagen rabbit that hadn't been

693
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:26.480
there before.

694
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:28.599
It had been, he just didn't notice.

695
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.360
It, okay. Concerned that Richard might need backup, Alan called

696
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.159
another neighbor, Jerry McMahon. He was already in bed, but

697
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.519
Alan asked his wife Tommy, to wake him up. When

698
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.719
he came to the phone, Alan implored him to go

699
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.079
over to his house while he stayed on the line.

700
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.159
Jerry pounded on the doors and walked all the way

701
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.360
around the house, but didn't see or hear anything unusual.

702
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.599
He returned to his house and told Alan that nothing

703
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:56.920
seemed a miss. Alan begged Jerry to break into the

704
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:00.679
house by any means necessary. Tommy insists did that Jerry

705
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.960
not go there alone, and called their other neighbor, Lester Galer,

706
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.400
and got him out of bed to help Jerry break

707
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.960
into the Gore's house. Lester and Jerry met Richard, who

708
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:12.239
was returning to the house with his big ring of

709
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.800
realtor keys. The front door swung open as soon as

710
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:18.119
he tried to insert a key into the lock. It

711
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.920
had been open all along. The hair on the back

712
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.679
of the men's necks prickled in fear as they walked

713
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.000
through the ranch house, calling for Betty. The living room

714
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:31.440
was cozy, tidy, and nicely decorated. Nothing amiss here. They

715
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.360
walked down the hallway leading to the bedroom's single file.

716
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.960
All the doors were shut, which felt eerie for some reason.

717
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.159
First they opened to Lisa's door, nothing there, Then the

718
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:47.280
primary bedroom, also unoccupied. Lester shined his flashlight into the bathroom.

719
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.440
His eyes widened as he spotted the dried puddles of

720
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.920
blood on the otherwise pristine tile. When they got to

721
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.880
the last bedroom and flipped the light switch, Bethany came

722
00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.159
awake and wailed at them. Her little face was red

723
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:03.199
as a tomato and a tear stained mess, her hair

724
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:07.079
tangled with her own feces. The poor baby looked almost

725
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.840
feral to the men in her anguished state. Richard cradled

726
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.159
Bethany to his chest and ran out of the house

727
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.239
with her, handing her over to his wife, Cindy. He

728
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.519
yelled at her to call the police as he dashed

729
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.199
out of the house with his pistol in hand. He

730
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.639
returned just as Lester found Betty lying dead on the

731
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.800
floor of her tiny laundry room, among thick puddles of

732
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.280
her sticky, drying blood. She was lying with her head

733
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.199
next to the freezer. Blood spatter covered almost every surface

734
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.280
in the room. Her arm appeared at first glance to

735
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.320
be severed. She was dressed in a yellow top and

736
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.920
red pants, but both were so saturated in blood they

737
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.039
appeared brown and stiff. There was so much blood in

738
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.360
the room it seemed impossible that her body held any more.

739
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.480
Near Betty's body lay an axe about three feet long,

740
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.960
covered in blood. Jerry knew he didn't need to check

741
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.920
for a pulse. Betty Gore was long gone. Jerry didn't

742
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.559
allow his eyes to linger too long, but he knew

743
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.719
he'd never forget the sight of the brutally slain young mother.

744
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.360
He shut the door to spare his neighbors the grisly vision.

745
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:17.079
She's dead, he announced soberly. A moment later, the phone

746
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:20.119
jangled in the kitchen, jolting all of them. It was

747
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:25.159
Alan Richard delivered the heartbreaking news Betty was gone. He

748
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.599
thought it looked like she'd been shot, possibly self inflicted.

749
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.679
We don't even own a gun, Alan said, forlornly. She

750
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.119
has been going through some things lately. It was eleven thirty,

751
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.400
but he called Candy to update her. She told Alan

752
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.079
how sorry she was and that she would keep Alisa

753
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.039
as long as needed. Candy hung up the phone and

754
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.480
then sobbed into her husband's shoulder. First of all, it's

755
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.119
a horrifying scene that they've walked into. Second, it seems

756
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.679
really odd that they said that they thought that it

757
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:56.960
might have been a gunshot. Like, there's an axe laying

758
00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:58.880
next to her, her arm is almost severed.

759
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.800
Well, I think that the scene was so gruesome. No

760
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.320
one was like standing there, like you took one look

761
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.000
at it and then you got out of there. Yeah,

762
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.079
it was People just don't think that you're going to

763
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.280
be attacked with an axe. And I don't think they

764
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.599
noticed the acts. I think it was slightly under their

765
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:15.599
freezer or something.

766
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:16.440
Yeah, makes sense.

767
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.719
I have a lot of sympathy for Betty, but also

768
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:23.039
for Pat in this situation. So Alan has called the

769
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:27.519
Montgomery house more than five times, and Pat knows about

770
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.840
the affair at this point, so he must be like,

771
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.639
what's going on? You know why, Like, obviously there's a

772
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:35.880
tragedy that has gone on, but still the fact that

773
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.679
Alan is calling Candy so much must have been on

774
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:39.440
his weighing on it.

775
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.559
Yeah, definitely, we'll be back after a break.

776
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.440
As police brushed to the crime scene at Dogwood Drive.

777
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.320
Despite the late hour, words spread quickly about Betty's gruesome death.

778
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.119
The first rumor was that Betty had taken her their

779
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.159
own life, but that quickly gave way to whispers that

780
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:06.440
a murder had taken place, and before long people were

781
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.840
wondering whether a killer was on the loose. Everyone locked

782
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.719
their doors up tightly that night. It was the first

783
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.480
murder that the Wiley Police Department had ever investigated, and

784
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:20.800
the town's four manned police force would need reinforcements, lots

785
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.840
of them. Eventually, the Collin County Sheriff's Office, the Dallas

786
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:30.039
Police Department, the Texas Department of Public Safety, Criminal Intelligence Division,

787
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.800
Texas Rangers, and the Dallas County Sheriff's Office would lend

788
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:38.079
their staff and resources. The Gore's small house quickly filled

789
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:41.800
with law enforcement as the investigation got under way. A

790
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:46.360
crowd of curious neighbors and onlookers gathered outside. Inside, there

791
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.960
were more than a dozen officers moving through the home,

792
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.360
some with no connection to the investigation who would simply

793
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.880
come to see the scene for themselves. Combined with the

794
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:58.679
three neighbors who had already entered the house before the

795
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.159
police arrived. The large number of people made preserving the

796
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:06.400
crime scene challenging. It looked like a struggle had taken place.

797
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.960
That was contained to the front porch and entryway, the

798
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.239
laundry room, and the hall bath. On the freezer in

799
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.159
the laundry room was a single thumb print and blood.

800
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.760
One of the investigators on the scene was talking about

801
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.039
the thumb print and how it's almost impossible to lift

802
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:27.039
dried blood on a fingerprint pats. It just kind of

803
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:31.760
turns to dust. And this police force is so inexperienced.

804
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:35.440
They took like just a piece of clear tape and

805
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.280
they had put like post it note or not post

806
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.719
it notes, but like index cards it said crime scene.

807
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:41.320
They didn't even have crime scene tape.

808
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:41.760
Oh wow.

809
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.880
It was obvious that Betty's body had lain in the

810
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:48.000
laundry room for hours before the neighbors had discovered her.

811
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.239
On the kitchen table, the newspaper sat open to the

812
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.679
entertainment section. The paper seemed to be folded to highlight

813
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.239
a new movie from Stanley Kubrick The Shining. Was this

814
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.280
a clue? It was Friday the thirteenth, after all, and

815
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:01.800
there was.

816
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.679
A famous scene in the Shining involving an axe. So

817
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.119
I could see how they might think.

818
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.039
That nineteen eighty is a very interesting year because the

819
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.199
Shining was released, and so was the first Friday, the

820
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:16.519
thirteenth move Oh wow. Investigators began combing the house for evidence.

821
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.159
A pair of smashed sunglasses were found kicked under the freezer.

822
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.039
One lens was found in the garage. The laundry room

823
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.760
was a sight, but so was the hall, bathroom. The sink, bathtub, floor,

824
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.719
and even the soap had traces of blood. The bath

825
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.039
mat was soaked and diluted blood. The killer had been

826
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.840
very careless. Blood was scraped from the tile to determine

827
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.960
if it belonged to Betty or someone else. Likewise, a

828
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.559
clump of hair was removed from the bathtub drain. Whoever

829
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.000
had violently killed Betty, it appeared, had taken a shower

830
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:52.920
washing away evidence before leaving the house. As investigators processed

831
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.639
the scene, every doorknob in the areas where the struggle

832
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.599
had taken place were removed for fingerprint analysis. Squares of

833
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.400
Lenaul Lilliam bearing bloody footprints were cut from the floor,

834
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.360
and a bloodied finger nail was recovered from the living room.

835
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.960
The crime scene investigators reached two early conclusions. The murder

836
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.199
weapon and ordinary household asks suggested the attack had been

837
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:19.119
spontaneous rather than premeditated. The small, bloody footprints also led

838
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.400
them to believe that the killer was likely a woman.

839
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.199
Cash left in plain sight ruled out robbery as a motive.

840
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.239
The csis were at the gorehouse until morning, gathering evidence

841
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:32.760
and piecing together the sequence of events. A letter written

842
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.639
to Betty from Allan from their marriage and counter homework

843
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.920
was found. It read, our marriage has changed a lot

844
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.159
since our weekend. Before the weekend, I did an awful

845
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.920
lot of thinking and worrying about what I was getting

846
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.280
out of our marriage and whether or not you were

847
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.239
doing things for me. The weekend showed me that what

848
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.599
I needed to do was focus on you and us

849
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.440
instead of me. I have really tried to do that.

850
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:57.760
I have found that it is even fun for me

851
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.800
to help you without complaining. We talk more when I do.

852
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.719
I've also found that I can place you, us and

853
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.920
our family ahead of my job and other activities and

854
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.400
still be successful in them. It's the dialogue that does it,

855
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.559
because when we don't, I feel myself slipping back to

856
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.440
thinking about me instead of you and us. We have

857
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.920
got to get back to a regular, everyday dialogue schedule.

858
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.880
I love you, Alan, So this letter shows me that

859
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:26.280
he really did learn a lot from this weekend. If

860
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.159
these prefer to believe this letter, who do you think?

861
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:30.199
Do you think this is sincere?

862
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.000
It sounds sincere to me. Yeah.

863
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.400
Alan Gore was still in Minnesota and felt helpless. The

864
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.239
earliest flight he could get back to Texas wasn't until

865
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:42.119
the following morning. When he called home. Wiley Police Chief

866
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.360
Royce Abbot answered the phone. Alan explained that he was

867
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.440
away on a business trip and had been unable to

868
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.719
reach Betty all day. When Abbot asked whether Betty had

869
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.960
been expecting any visitors, Alan said the only person he

870
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.079
knew of was Candy Montgomery, who was supposed to stop

871
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:01.039
by and pick up Elisa's swimsuit. It seemed awfully convenient

872
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.519
to Chief Abbot that Allan had been out of town

873
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.480
and the very night his wife was murdered, and who

874
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.000
left town on a Friday afternoon for a work trip.

875
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.360
Abbot made a note to confirm Allan's flight and travel

876
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:16.519
arrangements with the airline. Later, he confirmed Alan's story. Nearly

877
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.880
his entire day had been corroborated by his co workers.

878
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.639
This part is a little gory, but I tried not

879
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.119
to go into great details. The autopsy of Betty Gore's

880
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.199
body held the most clues. It was performed by doctor

881
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:32.800
Vincent Demayo. He scanned Betty's body before he started the

882
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.119
overwhelming task of cataloging all of the wounds on her

883
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.679
face and body. Doctor Demayo concluded that of the forty

884
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:43.079
one axe wounds that Betty had suffered, forty had occurred

885
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.119
while she was still alive, and most after she had

886
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.280
fallen to the ground. Twenty eight of the wounds were

887
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.440
to Betty's head. The remainder were to her upper body,

888
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:56.239
including her arms, shoulders, and hands. There were three cuts

889
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.119
to her thighs. The wounds to her face and head

890
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.800
were the deepest and most severe. Some were very deep,

891
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.119
even cracking her skull open and reaching her brain cavity.

892
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:10.000
Her left eye was open and her right was obliterated.

893
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:13.719
The axe cuts were at a consistent angle, indicating Betty

894
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:17.039
had not moved much to fend off the attack. Whoever

895
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.400
had attacked Betty was very angry. The damage to her

896
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.119
face let the coroner to believe a crime of passion

897
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:26.159
had taken place. Betty also had hair in her hands

898
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.119
that was not hers. She was not pregnant, as she

899
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.280
had feared. Betty's cause of death was due to the

900
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.559
extreme head trauma, and the manner of death was homicide.

901
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.519
Candy awoke on Saturday, June fourteenth, and headed straight to

902
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:42.119
the kitchen to make coffee. She had only managed to

903
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.280
get a few hours of sleep, her mind spinning between

904
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.840
brief moments of rest. She'd talked to Allan several times

905
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.320
the previous night. He seemed devastated and confused how this

906
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.400
had happened. He told her that the police would likely

907
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.400
be contacting her later that day to question her about

908
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.400
her visit with Betty. On Friday, Allan asked her not

909
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:06.039
to tell Elisa. His return flight landed before noon. While

910
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.639
Candy drank her morning coffee, she called Ron Adams, pastor

911
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:12.840
of their church, to notify him of Betty's death. I

912
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.360
heard she was shot, she told Ron she knew better.

913
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.039
Ron hadn't seen Betty since the Gorys had left the

914
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.960
church weeks ago, and wasn't sure how to navigate the situation.

915
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.079
After she had hung up with the pastor. Candy called

916
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.960
her best friend, Sherry, have you heard about Betty? She

917
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.960
was shot dead in her home. The phone rang off

918
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.480
the hook all morning as Candy's friends called her to

919
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:36.719
talk about Betty. By the afternoon, most people had learned

920
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.519
that Betty had been attacked with an axe, not shot

921
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.239
with a gun. The best clue the assailant had left

922
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:46.239
behind were bloody footprints. Pat set about doing yard work

923
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.400
that morning, in between phone calls and neighbors stopping by,

924
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.159
all to talk about how sad it was about Betty

925
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.920
Gore's death. Candy decided to trim the hedges. After she

926
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.519
was done, she took her flip flops that she'd worn

927
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.800
the day before and shut them into small pieces and

928
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:03.320
threw them into the trash.

929
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.239
The police completed their investigation of the Gore's house by

930
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.320
eight a m. Friends and neighbors cleaned the house so

931
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:13.800
Alan wouldn't have to see the gory crime scene. Pastor

932
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.960
Ron and a few friends were at the airport to

933
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.760
greet him and drive him home. When he arrived at

934
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.599
Dogwood Drive, Allan's neighbor Dick Sewell was there to update

935
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.960
Alan on the investigation. He still believed that Betty had

936
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.800
been shot. When Dick told him that Betty had been

937
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.760
brutally attacked with an axe, he blanched and nearly passed out.

938
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:37.320
Alan was overwhelmed by guilt. What had Betty's final moments

939
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.960
been like? Had her extreme anxiety about him traveling been

940
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.559
some sort of premonition. Dick had one more bomb to

941
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.760
drop on Alan. The police did not think that Betty's

942
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.639
murder had been random. Whoever killed her most likely knew her.

943
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.360
Alan had called his parents and Betty's the night before,

944
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.960
and they were now en route to Texas. The Pomeroys,

945
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:03.440
especially Bertha, Betty's mother, were heartbroken. A doctor had to

946
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:07.440
be called to medicate Bertha. She remembered the chilling fortune

947
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.000
a palm reader had given her when she was a teenager.

948
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.440
You'll marry a farmer, have three children, and one of

949
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.920
them will die young. Oh that's pretty weird. It's kind

950
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.920
of weird that a fortune teller says something that negative anyway,

951
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.920
but it's just very odd. Given the situation, Alan went

952
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.280
to the funeral home straight away to make arrangements. He

953
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.280
decided to have a memorial service in Texas and a

954
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.039
funeral and burial in Norwich, Kansas, where Betty was born.

955
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.840
Alan called Candy again, whose voice seemed to be a

956
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.960
comfort to him. He'd called her seven times since he

957
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.719
found out that Betty was dead. He asked her to

958
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.800
bring a Lisa home around three point thirty. She still

959
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.119
didn't know that her mother was gone. He asked Candy

960
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.199
and Pat to stay to support Alisa while he told her,

961
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:58.199
and they agreed. Last night, somebody very bad came in

962
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:01.280
the house and cut up mommy, very bad, and Mommy

963
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.719
is never coming back. Alisa didn't respond. She looked confused

964
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.840
and then began to cry. Do you understand Who's going

965
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:12.920
to cook dinner for us? She asked, We'll just have

966
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.079
to cook dinner for ourselves now, Who's going to take

967
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:20.239
care of us? Candy was overcome with emotion, her body

968
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.679
racked with sobs. She came over to where Elisa sat

969
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:27.920
on Alan's lap and embraced them both. Church that Sunday

970
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.360
Father's Day was well attended, but no one remembered what

971
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:35.519
was said. The congregation sat glassy eyed listening to Pastor

972
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.840
Ron Adams, a man that Betty Gore had openly hated,

973
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:43.239
but he didn't mention her name. After a Father's Day barbecue,

974
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.239
Candy went to the Wily Police station for an interview.

975
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:50.559
She dressed up for the occasion, wearing a dress, black panteos,

976
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.480
and peep toe' shoes. The outfit was strategic to hide

977
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:58.239
her bruised legs an injured toe. She calmly went through

978
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.639
Friday the thirteenth hour by claiming that she got to

979
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:05.440
Betty's around ten am and stayed for only about fifteen minutes.

980
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:08.960
They asked Candy what shoes she was wearing on Friday morning.

981
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.519
My blue sneakers with a thin rubber soule, she answered.

982
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.039
The police said they'd need to see them. The interview

983
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:19.440
lasted about ninety minutes. At the end, Candy had answered

984
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:23.400
all their questions and felt good about her performance. When

985
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.800
Alan Gore came for an interview, four detectives from different

986
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.559
departments were in the room to interview him. They were

987
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.599
suspicious of him from the jump, but he wasn't nervous

988
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.840
and appeared to answer honestly. He said that his marriage

989
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.599
to Betty had its ups and downs due to her depression,

990
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:41.960
but they had been doing well since they joined marriage encounter.

991
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.039
When asked if he'd ever had an affair. He said no,

992
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:48.119
The interview was over and he was free to go.

993
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:53.320
The next morning, after a sleepless night, he called Chief Abbot. Chiefabbot,

994
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.800
this is Alan Gore. I'm calling to tell you that

995
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.719
there's one thing I wasn't truthful about last night.

996
00:51:59.280 --> 00:51:59.920
What's that Elan?

997
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.559
I did have an affair, oh, with Candy Montgomery.

998
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.280
It's good you told us Alan. Candy already told us

999
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.639
she hadn't really, but the sheep didn't want Alan and

1000
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.480
Candy exchanging stories.

1001
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:18.119
Investigators asked Alan to come to the station for additional questioning,

1002
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.840
and he agreed. Although he was advised of his Miranda rights,

1003
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.760
he was not placed under arrest. Allan again insisted that

1004
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.760
he hadn't killed Betty and had no idea who had.

1005
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:33.320
He also agreed to take a polygraph examination. Law enforcement

1006
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.559
knew they were on the right track, they just couldn't

1007
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.280
decide if Candy and Alan had acted together. They asked

1008
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.599
Candy to return for further questioning. When she arrived at

1009
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:47.239
the station, she was fingerprinted. Under intense questioning, Candy insisted

1010
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.039
that she didn't murder Betty, but when she was shown

1011
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.480
the bloody fingerprint, she was rattled. They asked her for

1012
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:57.039
her blue sneakers and flip flops, and she handed over both.

1013
00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.960
They asked her there was a different pair of flip flops.

1014
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.000
She had a lot of flip clops, didn't she. They

1015
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.719
asked her to return the next day to take a polygraph.

1016
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.039
Did she agree to take a polygraph?

1017
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:09.000
I believe she did, but then she had lawyered off

1018
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.679
and her lawyer was like, mm m oh ma'am.

1019
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.800
By Monday, Betty's parents and siblings arrived in Wiley. A

1020
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.599
steady stream of friends and church members came to the

1021
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:22.519
house to offer condolences and cast roles. Candy came to

1022
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.159
the house to drop off food and meet Betty's family.

1023
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.440
They all enjoyed her company and thought she was friendly

1024
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:32.159
and kind. A man called the Gore's house several times

1025
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.079
saying that he had killed Betty. It was a sick,

1026
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.960
disturbing joke. The last time he phoned, police traced the

1027
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.039
call to find that it came from inside a mental institution.

1028
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.559
The next day, two hundred and fifty people crammed into

1029
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.719
First United Methodists to honor Betty. The media swarmed the

1030
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.079
funeral goers. Candy and Pat sat near the front with

1031
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:58.559
Betty's family, The casket remained closed. Pastor Ron Adams officiated

1032
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:01.559
the funeral because no one else else was available. Betty

1033
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:05.280
would have hated that Pastor Ron felt awkward, but to

1034
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.079
everyone's surprise, he rose to the occasion. How can a

1035
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.480
thing like this happen? How can it happen to a

1036
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.400
person who is so needed by her family, a mother

1037
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.880
so needed by her children, a daughter so loved by

1038
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.400
her parents. Why do things like this happen When death

1039
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:25.199
comes by some more normal method, whether organic, by aging,

1040
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.960
or even accident. It's difficult enough, but an act of

1041
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:33.840
violence seems simply incomprehensible. No one has the answers to

1042
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.079
all the questions of life. The police were there too,

1043
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.519
photographing license plate numbers and the attendees. The next day,

1044
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.840
Alan drove to Norwich, Kansas with the Pomeroys to lay

1045
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:48.320
Betty to rest. It was a surreal experience to see

1046
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:52.000
how loved she was in her hometown, her former classmates

1047
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.400
and boyfriends carrying her casket. It was like there were

1048
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:59.280
two bettys. Alan sat in front with tears rolling down

1049
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:01.960
his face, not because he was sad that his wife

1050
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:04.880
was gone, but because of the deep guilt and shame

1051
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.039
he felt, not knowing if he ever truly loved her.

1052
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.639
After the funeral, knowing that the truth would be revealed

1053
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.360
by the media, he admitted to his family that he

1054
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.159
had had an affair with a woman from church. They

1055
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:20.719
were very disappointed in him. Later that night, Alan went

1056
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.360
to Betty's family to tell them about the affair too.

1057
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.519
He said it was the hardest conversation of his life.

1058
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:31.400
He begged for their forgiveness. After Candy's tense police interview,

1059
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.239
she and Pat went to see their friend Don Crowder

1060
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:38.000
on June eighteenth. Crowder knew the Montgomery's through church and

1061
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:41.760
considered them both friends. A former football player who had

1062
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:45.639
once hoped to play professionally, Crowder initially enrolled in law

1063
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.440
school because it gave him one more year of eligibility

1064
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:52.119
on the football field. Competitive by nature, Crowder saw the

1065
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.199
courtroom as another arena where there was always a winner

1066
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.800
and a loser. But despite years of practicing law, mostly

1067
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:02.320
as an ambulance chaser, he had never defended a murder case.

1068
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.679
He also couldn't imagine that Candy Montgomery had murdered Betty Gore.

1069
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.400
As far as Crowder was concerned, the police were simply

1070
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.440
looking in the wrong direction. He knew Candy was not

1071
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:17.559
capable of hurting anyone. After his meeting with Candy, unable

1072
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.440
to sleep, Don made a list of why she could

1073
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:25.079
not have murdered Betty, size, clothing, demeanor. He was confident

1074
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.480
that she was covering up for someone, but who most

1075
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.679
likely Alan. By the next day, though the media was

1076
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.920
closely following Candy, which made her very nervous. She called

1077
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.199
Don and he told her to come to his house.

1078
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.960
I don't think you did it, but I think you

1079
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:43.599
know who did it. I think you're covering up something.

1080
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:45.199
Who are you covering for?

1081
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:46.239
No one?

1082
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:48.960
Did Alan do it? Did you walk in on something

1083
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:49.800
and get scared?

1084
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:51.159
Alan didn't do it?

1085
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:52.199
How do you know?

1086
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.559
Because I didn't what I didn't?

1087
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.480
I don't believe you. But by the end of their

1088
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:03.360
conversation she had convinced him the truth hung heavily between them.

1089
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:09.320
Candy was slightly relieved Don wasn't rob Yidishon. Don's partner

1090
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:11.599
was only three years out of law school, but he

1091
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:15.199
had more experience with criminal cases and worked closely on

1092
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.320
the case in the coming months. But Candy was smart

1093
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:21.000
to trust Don to lead her case, despite his lack

1094
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:25.000
of experience in criminal law. To avoid the media, Candy,

1095
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.239
pat and their children stayed with Sherry and her family,

1096
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.400
hoping the dust would settle. But things were about to

1097
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:34.079
get a lot worse for Candy Montgomery.

1098
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.840
We'll talk about Don Crowder more in episode three, but

1099
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:41.119
he is quite a character, really interesting guy. Yeah.

1100
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:44.320
Interesting that she admitted to him that she did it.

1101
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.960
I don't know what the advice is normally, but I

1102
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.119
think lawyers they don't want to know if you did

1103
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:50.679
it or not normally, right.

1104
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.480
I think he was a little surprised that she told him.

1105
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:55.960
I think she needed to get it off her chest. Yeah,

1106
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.519
but at that point, the evidence was stacking up against

1107
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.440
her fingerprint. I don't we mentioned it yet, but it

1108
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.400
would be identified as far as.

1109
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:10.119
Yeah, sounds like foot prints. Pretty messy crime scene, and pa, it's.

1110
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.480
Really strange to me that she took no care in

1111
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.639
cleaning up the crime scene whatsoever. So I guess in

1112
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:18.760
the next episode we'll talk more about her state of

1113
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:21.519
mind during the crime. Oh yeah, do you think it's

1114
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:25.679
possible to have an affair and not develop feelings? They

1115
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:28.000
were both very adamant that we're not going to say

1116
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.440
I love you, We're not going to but they both

1117
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:32.639
really did, and fairly quickly. It sounds like.

1118
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.480
It's probably very difficult to have a long term affair,

1119
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:37.719
like yeah, maybe you know, one night stand or something

1120
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.559
like that, but if you're having an affair, like a

1121
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:43.360
regular affair with somebody and seeing them, and yeah, it

1122
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.639
would be it's not at all surprising that they developed feelings.

1123
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:51.800
And I think the affair went on from December until October,

1124
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:53.639
so I think about ten months.

1125
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.039
But they were broken off at the time of Betty's murder, right,

1126
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.719
do you know how long or or were they not?

1127
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:03.239
I mean I think that they were. I think that

1128
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:05.519
everyone thinks they were. But you know, that's something that

1129
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:07.639
I guess I want everyone to think about when we

1130
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.360
finished part three, like if you think that it's possible

1131
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:13.360
that because all we have is their account of events, right,

1132
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.840
But the whole marriage encounter, to me does seem that.

1133
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:19.800
Seems like that was a turning point for Allan. At

1134
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:23.280
how long before her murder was the marriage encounter.

1135
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:26.000
I mean it was several months, because marriage encounter was

1136
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:30.880
in October of nineteen seventy nine, and then she was

1137
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.599
murdered on June thirteenth, nineteen eighty. Okay, what do you

1138
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:39.280
make of Past's response to learning about Candy and Allan's affair?

1139
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.280
Like he took the blame. He was like, I didn't

1140
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.360
treat you well enough. I should have given you more

1141
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:47.079
time and energy. He gave her flowers. I don't think

1142
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:48.719
that's a normal No, I don't.

1143
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:50.960
I was thinking the same thing when you said that.

1144
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.159
Which is why I made his favorite dish today, because

1145
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.679
I feel like Pat seems like a really sweet man.

1146
00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:59.960
Yeah, that's that's a hard thing to forgive, especially when

1147
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.880
if it's one thing, if your spouse came to you

1148
01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:05.159
and said, I need to tell you something. I need

1149
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.440
to admit what happened, and I feel terrible about it.

1150
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:11.599
But he discovered it on his own, And for him

1151
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.840
to like come to that point where he was willing

1152
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.880
to forgive her that quickly without talking it over.

1153
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.920
With her taking the blame for it is yeah, somewhat astonishing,

1154
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.519
it really is. Yeah, And remember there was another man

1155
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:25.360
pretty quickly after that.

1156
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:27.039
Yeah, it wasn't just Alan.

1157
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.559
Yeah. I mean, do you think that she told him

1158
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:30.360
about the other man?

1159
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:31.079
Probably not.

1160
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.559
Do you think when Allen first heard about Betty's death

1161
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:35.960
that he suspected Candy.

1162
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.960
I get the feeling that he didn't or they wouldn't.

1163
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:40.960
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would

1164
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:43.519
jump to that conclusion right away. It seems like he

1165
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:45.519
would be a little more just be fuddled, like how

1166
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.320
could this happen? Like I would think he would assume

1167
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:50.800
it was a random type event.

1168
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.800
But yeah, do you think that he was involved at all?

1169
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:57.400
I may be biased just from remembering watching the show

1170
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:01.360
about this, but it really doesn't seem that way to me.

1171
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:03.719
I don't know, I don't I don't get any sense

1172
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.039
that he would have been involved. I haven't heard anything that.

1173
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:08.239
Do you think it's possible as one of these phone

1174
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:11.639
calls that Candy said I did it, it was me.

1175
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.559
I mean, I suppose that's possible, but I don't know. Again,

1176
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.800
I just feel like Alan just seems really kind of

1177
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:22.440
lost and you know, unsure why how this could have happened.

1178
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.400
So it doesn't seem that way to me, But I

1179
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:25.760
suppose anything's possible.

1180
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:28.039
What do you think of marriage encounter?

1181
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:30.239
Seems like there were a lot of these kind of

1182
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.320
self help and marriage help groups back in the seventies,

1183
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.280
Like what was the one that we had talked about

1184
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:38.360
test that's right.

1185
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:41.400
There was one of my favorite cases, Susan and Felix Polk.

1186
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.159
That was a really interesting one. Yeah, they were heavily

1187
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:45.440
involved in that. Yeah.

1188
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:48.960
I guess in my mind, I'm I'm fine with whatever.

1189
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:51.440
You know, it's going to help for a particular married couple,

1190
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.719
And it sounds like it was a positive thing before

1191
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:58.000
for some excellent next week sounds good. But no, I

1192
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.000
think anything that helps, you know, more communication and maybe

1193
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.000
more honesty in a marriage, it can definitely be a

1194
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:06.000
good thing for some people.

1195
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.320
Something that I didn't mention, which I thought was kind

1196
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:11.480
of cute. It wouldn't work today, but like you would

1197
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.960
call like if once you were a flame, like a

1198
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:17.159
graduate from the program, you would call other couples at

1199
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.639
night and just let the phone ring once, and that

1200
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:22.280
just meant like, we're thinking of you, we love you,

1201
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:24.599
hope you're doing okay. Well, I don't know. That was

1202
01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:26.920
kind of cute. Yeah, but I think it really helped

1203
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:28.000
the Gore's marriage.

1204
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:29.159
Yeah, it seemed like it.

1205
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:32.239
Sadly, we don't know if it would have lasted, right.

1206
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:36.639
Betty was very into it. Yeah, we already talked about

1207
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:38.159
Pat a little bit, But do you think you could

1208
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:39.360
be as forgiving as he was.

1209
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:41.360
I really don't, to be honest.

1210
01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:45.599
With you, was Allen's behavior suspicious at all? Like when

1211
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:49.039
he called multiple neighbors and he said get into the

1212
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:54.320
house by any means necessary, That was slightly suspicious to me.

1213
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:57.440
Not really, I don't think because he knew her routine

1214
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:01.079
and he knew that there's no way she wouldn't be

1215
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:02.039
home at that time of.

1216
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:03.639
Night unless she was mad at him.

1217
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:06.159
Yeah, I mean that would be the only possibility there.

1218
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.679
The thing that seems most suspicious about Alan, honestly, is

1219
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.280
leaving for a business trip the day his wife is

1220
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:14.639
brutally killed. I mean, I can totally see the police

1221
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.239
would be like that seems like quite a coincidence that

1222
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.400
you are heading out of town and your wife is

1223
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:20.119
killed that day.

1224
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.000
I don't think there's any way he would have agreed

1225
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.119
to let or baby bethany you know, sit in her

1226
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:25.920
crib the whole day.

1227
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:26.239
Yeah.

1228
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:29.280
No, I don't think there's anything to that suspicion, But

1229
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.079
I can just see how it would have been seen

1230
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:33.039
as very suspicious.

1231
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.280
Of One last question for you, do you think that

1232
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:38.559
engineers have an advantage on polygraph exams.

1233
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:42.039
No, absolutely not.

1234
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:43.400
You don't think so.

1235
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:47.400
No, I really don't. I think there's no way to control,

1236
01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:49.960
like if you're going to get nervous over a question.

1237
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:53.679
I think like psychopaths that you think that you would

1238
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:55.920
be able to guess. I really don't. I'm just I'm

1239
01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.960
joking when I say that. Yeah, No, I really think

1240
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:02.199
there is. The more I read about polygraph exams, the

1241
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:04.599
more I think it's just it's just a bad idea

1242
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:07.599
to take one, whether you're guilty or not, because all

1243
01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:11.280
it's measuring is your physiological response to a question. And

1244
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.199
if you ask me, did you kill your wife? Even

1245
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.480
if I didn't, I'm going to get nervous when I

1246
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:17.239
hear that question.

1247
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:19.519
Yeah, but the machine can still tell the difference.

1248
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:19.960
I don't know.

1249
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.800
I wouldn't. I wouldn't trust it at all.

1250
01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:25.880
I am watching a season of the Real Housewives and

1251
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:31.480
they actually call in to polygraph people because someone they

1252
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:36.159
think someone is lying and it's crazy but enjoyable. Well,

1253
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.840
please come back and listen to episode three. I hope

1254
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:40.840
you guys are enjoying this series. I know that a

1255
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:44.559
lot of people know this story, but hopefully you're enjoying

1256
01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:54.960
our take on it. So this case takes place in Texas. Obviously,

1257
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:57.840
Texas is a It seems like a different country to

1258
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.519
me in a lot of ways. Yes, it's so big,

1259
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:03.360
but how big is Texas really?

1260
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.039
Well, I know it's not as big as Alaska, but

1261
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:07.480
I know it's pretty darn big.

1262
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:11.119
At two hundred and sixty eight thousand, five hundred and

1263
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.519
ninety six square miles, Texas is the second largest state

1264
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:19.679
in the US, behind only Alaska. To put that into perspective,

1265
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.400
it's larger than France. Why is the size of Germany?

1266
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:28.880
You could fit Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, and Tennessee inside

1267
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:33.280
Texas with room leftover. In fact, if Texas was its

1268
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:36.159
own country, it would rank as the thirty ninth largest

1269
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:40.480
country in the world by land area. And driving distances

1270
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:44.880
across the state are shocking too. From El Paso, on

1271
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.400
the western edge of Texas, to Orange on the Louisiana border,

1272
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:50.920
it takes about twelve and a half hours, roughly the

1273
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.559
same amount of time it would take us to drive

1274
01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:56.800
to New York City. It's also about the same distance

1275
01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:58.800
as driving from Paris to Berlin.

1276
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.280
I was thinking about that with Texas, like if you

1277
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:03.719
lived in the middle of Texas or in the southern

1278
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:05.960
part of Texas, going on a road trip like you

1279
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:08.000
wouldn't You just wouldn't do it because you're not going

1280
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.440
to be able to get anywhere outside of Texas unless

1281
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:14.559
you're on like a just a super long road trip.

1282
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.320
Yeah. I feel like Michigan is a really good sized steak.

1283
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:20.480
If you have friends or relatives, you can get there

1284
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.159
in a day. I mean you can in Texas too.

1285
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.760
But we can get to multiple other states within like

1286
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:27.800
an hour or two hours, you know, or even in

1287
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:28.920
other country.

1288
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:31.079
If you're in the middle of Texas. Yeah, a lot

1289
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:33.840
of people who live in Texas never leave Texas because

1290
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:37.000
you know, it's so vast. One of my favorite facts

1291
01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:40.480
involves the tiny Panhandle town of text Line. It's so

1292
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.920
far northwest that residents are actually closer to the state

1293
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:48.159
capitals of Colorado, New Mexico, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming than

1294
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:52.280
they are to their own state capital in Austin. Texas

1295
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:56.280
isn't just big geographically, it's big economically too. If it

1296
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.360
were an independent country, its economy would rank among the

1297
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.440
largest in the world world, ahead of countries like Canada, Italy,

1298
01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:03.400
and Russia.

1299
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:05.719
Now, I know that I always hear about California having

1300
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.239
a really big economy. Do you know how California's economy

1301
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:09.760
ranks to.

1302
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:11.480
Texas Texas today?

1303
01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:13.719
I know, but I'm just curious whether Texas has like

1304
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.760
the biggest economy in the country if it was taken

1305
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.199
on its own, I think California is probably.

1306
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.760
Well, I know the lot we hear about Los Angeles,

1307
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.920
like Los Angeless County, you know, as big as some

1308
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.679
states too. Yeah, I'm not really sure. You can google

1309
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:27.719
that later and let us know.

1310
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:30.280
Well, I'm in patients, so I googled it now, and

1311
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.920
Texas and California are indeed the two largest economies in

1312
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:36.280
the United States. But California is quite a bit bigger.

1313
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:39.679
It's like a four trillion dollar economy, where Texas is

1314
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:40.840
like two point nine trillion.

1315
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:45.199
Well, much of West Texas remains remarkably empty, with long

1316
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:47.840
stretches of highway where you can drive for miles and

1317
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:51.599
miles without seeing another town. Texas is also home to

1318
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:54.639
more than thirty million people, but around eighty percent of

1319
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.800
Texans live in the eastern half of the state. So

1320
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.559
I guess what you're like. California is just more densely

1321
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:05.559
populated than Texas's. Texas has two hundred and fifty four counties,

1322
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:08.400
more than any other state. Georgia comes in second with

1323
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:12.119
one hundred and fifty nine. And because it's Texas, some

1324
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:15.519
highways have the highest posted speed limit in America. Do

1325
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:16.159
you know what it is?

1326
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:16.640
Ah?

1327
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:18.039
I don't know what is it?

1328
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:20.640
Yes? Eighty eighty eighty five.

1329
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:21.239
Okay.

1330
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:24.039
Finally, Texas has some of the best town names in

1331
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:28.479
the country. Among them are Big Tussle, Ding Dong, Cut

1332
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:34.600
and Shoot, Bigfoot, Dime Box, Uncertain, Gun, Barrel City, and Bacon.

1333
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:36.680
Those names have a lot of character.

1334
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.399
But when Alaska overheard me talking about how big Texas is,

1335
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.399
it said, hold my beer, Retina, it's two and a

1336
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.600
half times bigger than Texas. But will save how big

1337
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.159
is Alaska segment for another day.

1338
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:52.760
I was reminded by a song by I think Michelle

1339
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:55.880
Shocked called Anchorage and that's there's a line in the

1340
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:57.560
song that you know you're in the biggest state in

1341
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.399
the Union when you're anchored down in Anchorage. Because she

1342
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:01.479
was talking about Texas and.

1343
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:03.880
So well, I think I might be doing a case

1344
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.560
in Alaska. I was googling, you know, the things about Texas.

1345
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.079
A lot of things were like, what have you heard

1346
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:14.600
this about Alaska? Because Alaska is an interest A lot

1347
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:17.439
of interesting people and things happen in Alaska.

1348
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:18.960
And I don't think we've ever done a case.

1349
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:21.199
I don't think we have either, So I'm pretty sure

1350
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:23.039
that I am going to start working on one night.

1351
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:24.960
We need to go. We need to do an inventory

1352
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.239
of the states that we've done cases in, because I'm

1353
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:28.000
sure there are others.

1354
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:31.439
That was an idea that I had recently. In next year,

1355
01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:35.640
I said, let's do fifty and fifty cases for fifty states.

1356
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:37.720
I think we've covered a lot. Okay, I think there's

1357
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:40.960
a lot of states that we haven't probably too. Yeah, Well,

1358
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:43.880
we have a lot of good listener friends in Texas,

1359
01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:47.359
and I have never been there, so maybe we should

1360
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:49.560
go to Texas. Can you believe I've never been to Texas?

1361
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:50.439
That is surprising.

1362
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:52.359
Yeah, you've been a lot, right.

1363
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:56.199
I've been, Probably I've been. Yeah. I love Austin. I've

1364
01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:58.479
been to Dallas a few times. I used to work

1365
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.359
for company EDS was headquartered in Plano. They have probably

1366
01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:04.640
been there ten times or maybe even more.

1367
01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:06.920
Yeah, Well, I'll get there eventually.

1368
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:09.560
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1369
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:12.119
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1370
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1378
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1379
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:44.800
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1380
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1381
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:48.439
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1382
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1383
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1384
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:54.039
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1385
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:57.159
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1386
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:31.079
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1387
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