Sept. 6, 2025

Bonus episode: The Disappearance of Amy Bradley

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In March 1998, 23-year-old Amy Lynn Bradley disappeared from a cruise ship while traveling with her family in the Caribbean. Despite rigorous searches, international investigations, and reported sightings in the years that followed, Amy has never found. In this episode, we look at her disappearance, the main theories, and the questions that remain unanswered.

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Hi.

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I'm Tina and I'm Rich. If there's one thing we've

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learned and over twenty years of marriage, it's.

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That some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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And some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to a bonus episode of Love Mary Kill, Hey Rich,

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Hey Tina, how are you?

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I'm fabulous. How are you doing?

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You didn't you sounded a little tired there?

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No, I'm fabulous.

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Okay, good. I'm a little under the weather today. But

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this has been kicking around for a while, this case,

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and I thought I was gonna be a quick and

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easy one, but I keep adding to it every day.

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I keep, you know, doing research.

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As you do.

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So yeah, so I had to I had to call it.

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So we are recording this episode. We're a little late

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to this case. I started doing this when the documentary

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came out on Netflix. Amy Bradley is miss saying but

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that we went on vacation and then Betty Broderick took forever.

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So anyway, story short, we're getting to it today. I

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know a lot of our podcast friends have already done

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this episode, So if you don't want to listen, that's okay.

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I totally understand.

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Not okay with me, But okay, everyone.

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Has to listen to this one. Probably we've probably already

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lost some people, could be I'm going to ask you

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a question that I know the answer to. But have

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you ever been out a cruise before?

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I have not.

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Neither have I. We've done boat rides before, tourist type.

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Things, but never on a cruise.

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Dinner cruise a couple of times, things like that, but.

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But never a like a multi day cruise off of

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Port of Iarta or love boat type cruise.

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Would you want to take a cruise?

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You know, I think I would enjoy it, To be

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honest with you, I've heard so many horror stories about

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cruises that it's a little bit scary, But I don't know.

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I think I would enjoy just the relaxed nature of

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a crew.

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I know how relaxing it is.

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Really.

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There's thousands of people. It's like a floating village. They say,

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these the ships just keep getting bigger and bigger. Just

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this week. Actually, the largest cruise ship in the world

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today is Royal Caribbean's Icon of the Seas, joined by

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her sister Star of the Seas, and that's the one

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that took her maiden voyage this week and nearly twelve

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hundred feet long and weighing in it more than two

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hundred and forty eight thousand gross tons, she's essentially a

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floating city. The ship carries over seven thousand guests and

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more than two thousand crew spread across twenty decks. It's enormous,

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it really is. Yeah, And I'm sure there's places where

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you can find some peace and quiet, but it just

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sounds like it's probably really busy. Yeah, and you know,

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whenever you go to food get food, there's probably a

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lot of other Yeah, that.

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Doesn't sound that appealing.

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And actually, like eating dinner with a bunch of strangers

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doesn't sound very appealing to me.

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I think that would be kind of fun. Yeah, yeah,

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but it is that these cruise ships have so many attractions.

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There's ice rinks, there's like you can see like the

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ice capades there, and there's plays and acrobatic shows, magic shows.

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You can we have the biggest water park at sea

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on this new ship. I mean, mini golf, you can.

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You can do it all, and it is pretty cool

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that it's all kind of right there, and then you

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get to stop off at the port cities. But I

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will ask you, when I'm done telling you about Ammy

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Amy Bradley's story, if you would take a cruise. Curious

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if your physician will change. Also this week in Turkey

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of a new, brand new, one million dollar yacht capsize.

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Just did you see that? Just two hundred meters into

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her maiden voyage. It's called the doulce Vento. She was

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eighty feet long. There gratefully were no casualties, but you

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saw that. That was crazy. I felt so bad for

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the owner of that ship. Just it almost instantly you

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could tell the sooner does it got into the water

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like no one had checked to see if she'd float,

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and Kenny.

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Probably lost their job over that one. I would think, Well, what.

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I read online was a million dollars for a ship

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that large is dirt cheap? Yeah, so I know it

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sounds super expensive and it.

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Is cut some corners and the exactly.

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Probably should have been I don't know if you could

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afford a Yeah, you should probably pay more than a

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million dollars. Even though this is a bonus episode. I

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made you a snack. I'm really proud of you because

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these came out of the oven probably an hour and

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a half ago, and you have not touched them, and

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I did leave them on the.

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Amazing Self Control. I don't know why you would be surprised.

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About that listener, but might not be true last week. Sorry,

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I know we're probably going along, but I'm gonna just

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tell this funny story. You saw the oreos reesis what

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do you call it? Collaboration, and you were really excited,

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and I was like, Honey, I love you. I am

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going to get those for you. I went to three

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different stories and I'm like, honey, I'm sory. I failed you.

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I felt really bad, but you went and found them

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and I haven't seen them since.

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One of those things that you want something done right,

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you gotta do ityl.

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Where did they go though? I haven't seen them there?

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They went into my tummytage. I might have finished them

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earlier today when I was having self control about not

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eating your cookies on the counter.

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Because you're telling me was full full of cookies already.

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Baby.

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Oh he makes me laugh. Okay, Well, here is my

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favorite brown butter chocolate chip cookie. I put Eminem's in them,

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so they're folish.

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All colors, some orange Eminem's nice.

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Yes, well they're brown Eminem's too. But you can't see them.

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All right, try one.

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I sure do.

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Rate my cookie ten out of ten excellent.

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As always, you can only pack one cookie to go

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on the crew ruise ship. There's no cookies on the

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cruise ship. Do you take the oreo Reese's cookies or

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do you take my chocolate?

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No, definitely your chocolative. Oh okay, yeah, well, I mean

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the oreos are good. Even regular oreos like double stuff

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are good, but they're not They don't compare it to

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your homemade brown buttered chocolate chip cookies.

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Yeah, but how did you feel about the Reese's oreos?

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They were good, but I think I would take regular

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oreos over the Reese's ones.

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When you first opened the package, you were really disappointed.

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Well, they weren't you. I didn't have quake.

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You're like click, honey, and you took you scraped.

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I made my own major.

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Yes, because you are an entrepreneur.

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That's right, I'm an innovator.

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In the early morning hours of March twenty fourth, nineteen

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ninety eight, as Royal Caribbean's newest showstopper, Rhapsody of the Seas,

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glided quietly through the dark vast ocean, nearing the shores

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of Ciasaw, the first streaks of sunlight broke across the horizon.

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Inside the craw of room eight five six four, Ron

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and Iva Bradley slept alongside their twenty one year old

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son Brad. Ron startled awake at six am for reasons

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he's never been able to explain. His wife dozed next

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to him, and he could just make out Brad's shape

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on the pullout sofa in the dim light. But he

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wondered where was his twenty three year old daughter Amy.

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He peeked out onto the balcony and spotted only her sandals,

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sitting beneath the chair where he had last seen her,

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staring out at the endless sea. Believing that she had

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gone to watch the sunrise, Ron rose from bed and

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decided to join her. He searched the ship, but Amy

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was nowhere to be found. What began as an ordinary

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morning soon dissolved into a nightmare, a mystery that would

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haunt Iva, Ron and brad for the next twenty seven years.

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So you have not watched the Netflix documentary, No, and

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you don't know anything about this case.

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No, I know nothing about it.

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I do know a lot of bad things happen on

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cruise ship, so it is a scary thought.

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There are larger, more impressive boats today. But when Royal

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Caribbeans Rhapsody of the Seas launched in May nineteen ninety seven,

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it was considered one of the most impressive luxurious cruise

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ships of its time. Spanning nine hundred feet long, one

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hundred feet wide and eleven stories tall, it was among

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the largest vessels in the fleet. The Rhapsody had capacity

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for over two thousand passengers and nearly eight hundred crew members.

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The ship had a variety of dining options, casual, formal,

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and of course endless all you can eat buffets that

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cruises are famous for. There was a nightclub, Calypso Disco,

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where guests could drink and dance the night away, a

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small casino of rock climbing wall, six whirlpools and two

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swimming pools. The Rhapsody of the Seas has since been

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refurbished and still sails today. In the nineteen nineties, cruise

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ships weren't as safe and monitored as they are today.

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Security was lax. There were few, if any security cameras,

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and protocols weren't yet in place to deal with the

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dangers of unregulated international waters or a missing guest. Amy

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Lan Bradley was born on May twelfth, nineteen seventy four,

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to Ron and Iva Bradley in Petersburg, Virginia. Petersburg is

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a mid sized independent city in the southeastern part of

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the state, about twenty five miles south of Richmond, known

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for its significance during the Civil War and its diverse population.

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Amy has one sibling, a brother named Ronald Junior, also

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known as Brad, three years her junior. I think a

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lot of people don't realize that Brad is a nickname,

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and a lot of you know Brad Bradley, who names

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their kid Brad Bradley, but who is actually named after

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his dad. Sports were a big part of Amy's childhood.

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She excelled at every sport she played volleyball, basketball, softball, soccer,

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and swimming. She lettered in all five sports in high school.

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Amy was a very strong swimmer, even working as a

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swim teacher and lifeguard. She graduated from Longwood College in Farmville,

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Virginia in nineteen ninety six, where she was on a

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full basketball scholarship. Averaging ten points a game. Amy set

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a school record when she shot seven to three pointers

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in one game. Can you imagine watching that game? That

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must have been so exciting. That's a lot of three pointers, right, Yeah,

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for sure. A former coach called Amy the best ball

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handler she'd ever seen. At Longwood, Amy majored in physical education.

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After graduation, she lived with her parents while working as

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a waitress at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. Everyone at the restaurant

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loved Amy, but after the cruise, Amy was excited to

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start a new job as a graphic designer and move

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into a new apartment. I think at this time it

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was harder to get a job as a teacher. I

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think the market was just saturated, and she really did

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want to be a teacher and a coach, but she

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couldn't find a job. So she took this job. I

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think it was a family friend and they hired her

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until she could find I think a job in the

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teaching field. Amy had also recently adopted a new English

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bulldog puppy that she'd named Bailey. Things were going well

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for Amy. She and her brother Brad were extremely close.

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They considered each other best friends. Self expression was important

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to Amy. She wasn't afraid to stand out. She was

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confident in her own skin, her style bold and edgy,

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her ever changing hair color, her distinctive fashion sense to

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the music she loved. Amy also had several tattoos, each

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carried a special meaning to her. On her left shoulder

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was a purple baby Tasmanian devil also known as Dizzy Devil,

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spinning a basketball on its finger, a nod to her

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love of the game. Above her right ankle, she had

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a black Japanese symbol. On her lower back a primitive

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Japanese sund and around her belly button, where she also

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had a piercing curled a blue and green gecko. Each

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design was intentional, a small window into who Amy was.

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Amy's story has long fascinated the true crime community, but

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it wasn't until the three part Netflix documentary Amy Bradley

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Is Missing that her sexuality became widely discussed. Whether it

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has any direct bearing on her disappearance is debatable, but

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it remains an important piece of the puzzle in understanding

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who Amy was. During her junior year of college, Amy

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began questioning her sexuality after developing feelings for her close

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friends Shannon kat Lovelace, a fellow basketball player and sweet mate.

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When their friendship deepened into a romantic relationship, Amy hesitated

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to share the truth with her family, worried their conservative

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values might lead to rejection. To keep up appearances, Amy

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and Kat dated brothers as boyfriends while secretly staying committed

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to each other.

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I heard an interview with Kat and she said that

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these men or boys never even made it to first

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base with them.

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Amy even invited Kat to spend the summer with her family,

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under the guys that she needed a place to stay.

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The Bradleys warmly welcomed Kat as Amy's friend, but when

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Amy later revealed that Kat was actually her girlfriend, their

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opinion shifted.

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In this interview I heard with Kat, she talked about

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how much she loved the Bradleys and they were a

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really great family, but they just couldn't wrap their heads

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around Amy being gay.

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Okay, Ron Bradley went so far as to write Kat

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a three page letter expressing his disappointment. When Amy came

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out to her parents, Kat realized she should do the

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same and also chose to come out to her own family,

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but she had a much better experience. Despite the couple's

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love for each other, Amy's Family's disapproval weighed heavily on

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their relationship, and Kat would later say it played a

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part in their eventual breakup after two years. Kat on

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her substack described Amy as vibrant, magnetic, complicated, brave, fun, passionate, flawed.

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She called their relationship a gift and a storm. Brad

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has done a lot of interviews and said that Amy

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was bisexual and had a boyfriend named Tom at the

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time of her disappearance, but friends say this isn't true.

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A journalist named James Renner interviewed Tom. Tom was a

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manager at Ruth Chris Steakhouse where Amy worked. He described

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their relationship as more of a buddy relationship. They would

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drink beers and shoot pool together.

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This man, James Renner, he has a YouTube channel and

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I watched a lot of his videos about this case.

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The Netflix documentary coincided with him writing a book about Amy. Okay,

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so at this time the same time, they're both doing

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this research and some of their sources overlap.

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James Renner's book is not out until next summer, but

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he's done an extensive amount of research. Sounds like a

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pretty good guy. He sat down with the Bradley family.

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He had been exchanging emails and messages with them for months,

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and finally they invited him to their home, which was

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kind of a big deal for the Bradley family because

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they didn't trust every journalist been cautious understandably over the years.

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Well it should be an interesting read.

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So, like we said at the beginning of this section,

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Amy's sexuality had never really been discussed publicly, and when

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James Rudder went to meet with the Bradley family, he

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was very cautious about this because he was pretty sure

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that they didn't want to talk about it. But then

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he broached the subject, like right before he left, and

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he said, the mood completely changed in the room and Iva,

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who in the documentary, if you've watched it, really does

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seem like a nice woman who's very loving. But as

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soon as he brought up the thing, the rumors about

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Amy being gay, she shut him down.

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In January nineteen ninety eight, Amy was dating a woman

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named Molly McClure. They were very much in love and

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planning a future together until Amy met and kissed another

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woman after a night of partying. It didn't mean anything

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and she instantly regretted it. Amy was racked with guilt

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when she admitted what happened to Molly. Molly ended the relationship.

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She told Amy she needed time and space to process

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the news, refusing to see her or talk to her

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on the phone. Amy was heartbroken and wanted to show

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Molly how important.

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She was to her.

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She decided to write her a love letter, a message

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in a bottle. It said, quote, Molly, I hurt you

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deeper than you can ever forget. I just wanted to

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ask you if you could find it in your heart

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to forgive me. I feel like there is an ocean

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between us, like I'm on a desert island, waiting for

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you to rescue me. A message in a bottle my

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only hope. I miss you, Molly, save me. Please stranded Amy.

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So we can talk about the symbolism of her writing. Yeah,

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a letter in a bottle.

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That's quite a coincidence.

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Yeah it is is just a coincidence, but it is ironic.

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Yeah.

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She sent the letter a month before she disappeared. Molli

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was touched by the gesture, and they decided to reunite

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after the cruise and discuss their future. So it sounds

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like they were on the path to getting back together,

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but never had the opportunity.

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Sadly, yeah, I heard interviews with both Kat and Molly,

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and they both seem like lovely women who really cared

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about Amy very much.

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On March twenty first, nineteen ninety eight, the Bradley family

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left their home in Chesterfield, Virginia, and flew to San Juan,

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Puerto Rico, where they boarded the Rhapsody of the Seas

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to begin their seven day cruise, with port stops in Aruba, Curasau,

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and the Virgin Islands. Ron and Iva both worked for

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the insurance agency Illinois Mutual. The cruise was a reward

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trip for Illinois Mutual's top salespeople, with about two hundred

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employees and their families on board. Seizing the opportunity for

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a family trip, the Bradley paid extra so that Amy

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and Brad could join them. The trip, in part, was

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to celebrate the beginning of Amy's professional life. Amy and

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Brad took a slightly later flight than Iva and Ron.

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Once they were all together, they were still too early

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to board the ship, so they went shopping. Amy bought

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fifteen rolls of film for her camera and some postcards

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that she sent before boarding the ship, so she was.

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Entering some sort of photo contest. I'm not sure if

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it was a contest that was going to be aboard

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the cruise or something after the cruise, but that was

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why she had bought so many rolls of film and

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was going to be taken a lot of pictures.

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The Bradley's cabin was on Deck eight, a prime location

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with nice views of the sea and a small balcony

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made of clear glass for unobstructed views of the ocean.

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It was close quarters, but the Bradleys didn't think sharing

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the state room would be a problem. With so much

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to explore on the ship and the port cities, they

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would only be in the room to sleep. Although Amy

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was a strong swim, her brother said she feared heights

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and deep water and avoided going near the railings.

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So Brad and Amy were sharing the pullout sofa to

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sleep on.

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Oh, okay, that doesn't sound ideal.

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I think our kids are similar ages to the Bradley kids,

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and I can't imagine our kids sharing a pullout.

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Oh, they would not be cool with that.

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The Bradleys had a great time the first two days

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of the cruise. As two of the youngest passengers on board.

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Amy and Brad drew plenty of attention from the crew

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for their fun loving nature. On day three of the trip,

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March twenty third, the Rhapsody stopped in Aruba. The Bradleys

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rented a convertible to explore the island, but got lost

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for hours. Sunburned and exhausted, they barely made it back

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to the ship before departure. That evening aboard the ship

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was formal night, Amy and brad posed for pictures with

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the ship's professional photographer. After dinner, Iva and Amy searched

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for the photos but couldn't find them. The photographer said

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he had printed them, yet they had vanished from the display,

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though reprinted later. The incident was strange and unsettling. You

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always have to take your picture on all of these things.

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Right whatever.

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You go on a ride, you go on a cruise,

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you go on.

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Whatever, in case it's your last ride cruise.

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Is that why they do it?

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Maybe I think they do it to make money, but

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it is a little bit, uh.

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It is funny like that happens to us all the

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time whenever I run one of these tourists trips, and

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a lot of times I'm a little rude and I

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just keep walking because there's no way I'm going to

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buy this picture, so let's save the film yep.

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After dinner, the Bradley's changed into more casual attire for

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a pool party. Brad surprised himself and his family when

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he won the limbo contest. He was given a crown

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as a surprise, which he promptly placed on Amy's head.

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At one am, Iva and Ron called it a night,

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just as the ship left Aruba's port for the next stop, Curosau,

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just seventy miles away. The family all in brace and

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exchanged I love yous before the elder Bradleys returned to

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their cabin. We'll be back after a break.

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Amy and Brad were in no hurry to return to

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the tiny stateroom. Instead, they went to the Calypso Disco

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to dance and have a few drinks. Crew members were

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allowed to socialize with guests aboard the ship until about

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one am. Witnesses were called seeing Amy dancing and having

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a drink with a bass player for the ship's band,

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Blue Orchid Alistair Douglas was his name, although most people

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called him Yellow. He was dejaying that night, and Amy

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and Brad requested several songs. Between changing songs, he danced

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with Amy, sometimes grinding up against her, which definitely was

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against the rules. Amy and Brad were much younger than

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the typical guests on the cruise ship. They were both attractive,

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fun loving, and had good personalities. They became friendly with

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several members of the crew. The night before Amy disappeared,

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they even invited her to a bar, Carlos and Charlie's.

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She declined the invitation, thinking it was a little odd.

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Carlos and Charlie's that is the bar in Aruba where

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Natalie Holloway was last seen. Oh around three am, Ron

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Bradley woke to find Brad and Amy missing and went

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to look for them to make sure they were okay.

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They told their dad that they would be back to

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the cabin soon. Do you think that's odd that he

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went to look for them a little bit?

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Yeah, I would think.

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You're on a cruise and you know they're young people.

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They are going to stay out till they stay out, Like,

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where are they going to go?

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Brad returned to the cabin about three thirty am and

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sat on the balcony. Amy followed ten minutes later and

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joined Brad outside. So in this entire case. The only

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objective data that we have is that Amy returned to

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the room at three forty. And we know this because

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you had to swipe your key to get into the room, gotcha.

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But there's no record when someone leaves the room.

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Right because you don't have to swipe your key, you know,

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you just exit the room, just like in a hotel.

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And Brad confirmed that Amy came in at three point

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forty and that they sat on the balcony together.

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Yes, so, Amy enjoyed sitting on the small balcony facing

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the sea, feeling the breeze while smoking. While sitting together,

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Amy confided to Brad that Yellow had made several unwelcome

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advances towards her, but she let it go and said

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it wasn't a big deal. They sat on the balcony,

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chatting and rehashing the night until Brad turned in a

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little after four am, leaving Amy outside. With a combination

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of the long day, the alcohol, and the fresh air,

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Brad quickly fell into a sound sleep. Amy stayed on

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the balcony. She was feeling a little nauseous and the

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cool sea breeze soothed her. At five point thirty, Ron

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jerked awake with alarm. Later, he said he didn't know

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what had aroused him. He quickly panned the room and

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noted Brad and Bed, but not Amy. He peered out

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onto the deck and saw Amy lounging on a deck

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chair and went back to sleep, satisfied that all was well.

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But when he woke up again just after six am,

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he noticed that the sliding door to the deck was

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a jar about a foot. The small table had been

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pushed up against the railing. Amy's cigarettes and lighter were

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gone from the table, but her sandals were neatly lined

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up under her chair. The yellow polo show that Amy

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had worn to the nightclub was draped over a chair

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inside the cabin. Ron assumed that Amy had gone out

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to seek a cup of coffee, and then he left

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the room, hoping to find her and join her to

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watch the sunrise. When he didn't find her, he returned

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to the room to rouse Iva and Brad to help

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look for Amy.

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So he saw her at five thirty on the balcony,

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and then just a half hour later he came back

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and she was gone, and the door was ajar exactly.

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That's a very narrow window of time, interesting.

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Very good observation, something that I'm wondering. So it's five

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thirty the first time, and he doesn't know what woke

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him up, but he said he saw Amy on on

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the balcony. But it's five thirty. The sun isn't going

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to rise until I think just after six, okay, so

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it must be pretty dark. The room is cramped and

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Brad is closer to the deck door than he is,

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so would he be able to how clearly would he

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be able to see onto the deck?

482
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.559
I mean, I think it really depends on whether there

483
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.759
was a full moon out. I mean, sometimes even before

484
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.000
the sunrise moon okay, and sometimes even before the sun

485
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.400
rise it starts to get at least a little bit lighter.

486
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.880
But at five thirty am, and it's in March, mean,

487
00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.079
I know it's you know, it's a different It's the Caribbean,

488
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:42.400
so maybe it's a little different.

489
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:43.400
Yeah, it's hard to say.

490
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:47.440
Around six thirty am on Tuesday, March twenty fourth, Ron

491
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:50.559
and Iva approached the purser's desk and inform them that

492
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.559
Amy was missing and asked for their assistance. The staff

493
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.680
didn't seem too concern, suggesting that she may be eating

494
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:01.599
breakfast or sleeping on a deck chair. Someone we don't

495
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:04.680
know who called Yellow's room to see if Amy was there.

496
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.960
She wasn't. I get the impression that Yellow bringing a

497
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.960
woman back to his room. It might be a frequent occurrence, okay,

498
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:16.200
even though he had a roommate. Later, Yellow's room and

499
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.119
the rooms of his fellow bandmates were searched, but nothing

500
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.319
was found. The crew told the Bradleys to keep looking

501
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.559
and to let them know if Amy didn't turn up.

502
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:24.839
Soon.

503
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:27.839
The Bradleys took another lap around the boat, but there

504
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:29.119
was still no sign of Amy.

505
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:32.279
It's a little surprising to me that they reported her

506
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:35.599
missing so quickly. I would think it would be very

507
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:37.640
possible that she was just up getting a cup of

508
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.960
coffee or taking a walk to see the sunrise. And

509
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.319
also I would think there are probably a lot of

510
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.599
nooks and crannies on a ship like that that it

511
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.920
would be very difficult to find someone just by walking

512
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:50.680
around the ship.

513
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.319
I think there were a fair number of places that

514
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.200
she could have been, but they checked them all fairly quickly, okay.

515
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.799
The Bradleys went door to door, pleading with fellow passengers

516
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.200
and asking them to search their rooms. Their desperate efforts

517
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.359
were halted after security stepped in and ordered them to stop.

518
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.680
The boat was about to dock and Ciros out for

519
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.039
the day. Cirisau was an island of the Netherlands about

520
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:18.160
forty miles north of Venezuela. Passengers lined up excitedly to

521
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.160
explore the port city, Willemstad. The Bradleys knew Amy wouldn't

522
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:25.240
have gotten off the boat without telling them something was

523
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.440
definitely wrong. It was unlike Amy to worry her family.

524
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.200
Iva told People magazine quote, She's not going to leave

525
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.960
the room and not come back without leaving a note.

526
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:40.119
My intuition was something is terribly wrong. They pleaded with

527
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.640
the staff of the Rhapsody to lock the ship down,

528
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.799
make an announcement, and not to let anyone off the

529
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:52.160
vessel until Amy was found, but disembarkation continued. Helplessly. They

530
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.160
watched as hundreds of passengers streamed off the ship, no

531
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.640
records kept, no effort made to track who or how

532
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.279
many left for the day or who returned.

533
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.200
That's really surprising to me. I would think if there's

534
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.440
a passenger missing, even if they haven't been missing for

535
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.319
that long, you would want to make sure everyone was

536
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.039
accounted for. If they did let people off the ship,

537
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.079
I would think they would be really careful to track

538
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.799
exactly who was leaving the ship as well.

539
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.119
I wish you would have been in charge of security.

540
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:21.440
Yeah too, Yeah.

541
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:26.000
I think today you have bracelets or badges that you know,

542
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:28.240
they keep track of and they know who is on

543
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.599
and off the ship at all times. But back in

544
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.880
nineteen ninety eight that was not the case. It was infuriating.

545
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.720
Iva said in an interview. They didn't act like this

546
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.720
was an emergency. They acted like we were an inconvenience cruise.

547
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.119
Director Kirk Dattweiler said in the Netflix documentary, We're not

548
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.000
going to stap everybody's cruise because there was a missing girl.

549
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.000
That's one family's unfortunate incident. But we still have twenty

550
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.640
four hundred people who paid a lot of money. And

551
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.599
as cold as that sounds, that's the reality. We still

552
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.960
had a couple of thousand people to entertain feed. They

553
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.079
were still on vacation, so we went back to you know,

554
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.200
normal operating procedure. Life goes on cruises go on.

555
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.200
Oh, he's right, that sounds pretty cold.

556
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.519
When I was watching the documentary and he said that,

557
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.359
my jaw like hit the floor. I couldn't believe how

558
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.240
cold hearted he was. I think he is one of

559
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:25.519
those situations where he was interviewed for hours. I feel

560
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.640
a little bit of empathy for him because I think

561
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.519
they just took that one chunk out of his interview

562
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.599
and he got to say a few other things in

563
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.480
the documentary, but he I think he's gotten a lot

564
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:38.519
of hate online, understandably so for what he said.

565
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:39.519
But I think so too.

566
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.400
I mean, and may be part of its hindsight because

567
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.680
at this time they didn't know that anything serious was wrong, right,

568
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.200
but still, if somebody's missing, I would think you would

569
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:50.240
take that very very seriously.

570
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.599
If we were on a cruise and a passenger was missing,

571
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:57.000
I would say, inconvenience me, it's okay, exactly Like you know,

572
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.759
finding Amy was more important than anything else.

573
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:00.359
Yep.

574
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.599
By nine am there was still no sign of Amy.

575
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.359
The crew agreed to page her finally, and they initiated

576
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.240
a Charlie drill, which is a full scale search in which,

577
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.559
in theory, every inch of the ship is combed. For

578
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.319
an hour, crew members scoured every inch of the vessel,

579
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.640
but there was still no sign of Amy. Although later

580
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:24.880
the Bradleys learned that it really wasn't a full scaled

581
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.200
Charlie drill. They did not search the guests cabins.

582
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.119
Oh yeah, I would think every inch of the ship

583
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.799
would include the guest cabins.

584
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:35.160
I think, yeah, most of the ship is the guest cabins. Right.

585
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:39.119
The captain delivered devastating news to Iva Ron and brad

586
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.200
He was sure that Amy was no longer on board.

587
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.680
Panic set in. It made no sense. The Bradleys were

588
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.480
beyond frustrated that a lockdown hadn't been ordered. Anyone could

589
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.680
have slipped off the ship unnoticed. Amy could have been

590
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.759
smuggled away as a prisoner in a suitcase or a

591
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.319
garbage bag, or you know, there's so many things are

592
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.960
coming on and off the ship. You know, at every

593
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.839
port they take the garbage off, and you know they're

594
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.880
getting an influx of you know, supply and food and

595
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.640
so any of those carts they could have hidden Amy.

596
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.480
Ron watched helplessly as people came and went all day

597
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.359
long hoping to see Amy. From early on, the Bradleys

598
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.160
were sure that she had been kidnapped and taken off

599
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.000
the boat. They did not believe that she went overboard

600
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:30.079
accidentally or intentionally adamantly denying Amy would have taken her

601
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.920
own life. Quote she didn't vanish into thin air. Ron

602
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:38.200
said someone knows something and we are going to find out.

603
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.000
And odd interaction occurred when Yellow approached Brad that morning

604
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.200
and said, well, I'm sorry to hear about your sister,

605
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.119
And that was before I had really been announced that

606
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.960
she was missing. Yellow quickly became suspect number one. And

607
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.720
I I'm not sure why he would say this to

608
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:56.400
Brad if he did something to Amy.

609
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:59.240
Well, and didn't you say earlier that someone called him

610
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.119
early that morning when they started looking for Yeah, yeah,

611
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:03.160
so he would have known.

612
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.160
So he would have known. But I don't think maybe

613
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.279
Brad didn't realize that someone had called him at that point.

614
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.519
I don't know. But he has been very and he

615
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:13.640
has had some suspicious behavior.

616
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:14.559
Too, Okay.

617
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.880
It took local authorities in Kurrasau at least twelve hours

618
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:22.799
to be informed about amy vanishing. Helicopters, boats, dive teams

619
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.759
and scent dogs were dispatched to search the waters and

620
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:31.240
coastlines between Aruba and Curasau, about two hundred square nautical miles.

621
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:34.920
It was up to twenty hours after Amy had disappeared

622
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:36.319
that the search got underway.

623
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:41.400
So that's almost a full day after Amy disappeared until

624
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:42.599
these searches were started.

625
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.759
Yeah, once again, does not seem to be the level

626
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:46.559
of urgency that.

627
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:47.319
I would expect.

628
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:49.880
We're going to talk about this in just a minute,

629
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.119
but I think a big problem was jurisdiction. Oh, because

630
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:54.319
they are at sea.

631
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.839
It was the largest air and water search ever performed

632
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:03.000
in Curasau. The Navy, the Marines, the Venezuelan Coast Guard,

633
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:07.400
and even local fishermen joined the search. Authorities believed that

634
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.960
if Amy had jumped or been pushed off of the boat,

635
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.079
her body would have eventually washed ashore due to the

636
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.279
strong current. Even if a shark had gotten to her,

637
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.359
clothing or body parts would be left behind.

638
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.319
Although I think there aren't many sharks in these waters.

639
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:26.039
The Rhapsody of the Seas was sailing in international waters

640
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:30.279
when Amy disappeared, a place where no single nation has jurisdiction.

641
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.799
The ship flew under the flag of the Bahamas, which

642
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:38.079
meant US law enforcement like the FBI, had no automatic

643
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:42.599
authority on board to conduct searches, interviews, or even board

644
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.440
the vessel. They first needed cooperation from both Royal Caribbean

645
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.920
and Bahamian officials that red tape caused delays during the

646
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:55.599
critical first hours of the investigation. Cruise ships carry security

647
00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.519
personnel but no sworn law enforcement officers, leaving initial control

648
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.359
in the cruise line's hands. When the FBI finally boarded

649
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.759
the next day, they began interviewing staff, but their scope

650
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:11.920
was limited. With a foreign flagged ship and an international crew,

651
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.360
much of the investigation depended on the cooperation of the

652
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.159
very people employed by the cruise line. The waters were

653
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.840
scoured for five days before the search was eventually called off.

654
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.920
Royal Caribbean charted a boat and continued to search for

655
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:31.280
an additional twenty four hours to no avail. Rumors aboard

656
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.880
the ship began to circulate about a missing passenger. Some

657
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.679
people claimed they saw Amy disembark the ship at the

658
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.320
Kirasau port with a beach bag in her hand, although

659
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.239
she had not brought a beach bag with her. Some

660
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.920
guests believed she had jumped intentionally, while others thought she

661
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:52.239
might have tried to swim ashore given her athleticism. Swimming

662
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.400
ashore makes no sense because even like those, cruise ships

663
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.880
are so high up that jumping off of a cruise ship,

664
00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:59.000
you would be killed, right.

665
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.480
I think that's a really good point. And people don't

666
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.039
realize that that, you know, she was jumping from the

667
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.719
eighth or ninth floor or whatever it was, And yeah,

668
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.920
I think most you would die from that impact hitting

669
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:10.519
the water, right.

670
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.239
Yeah, it's like jumping on the concrete when you're jumping

671
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.760
from that high into water. Two young teenage passengers swore

672
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.000
that sometime between five point thirty and six am, they

673
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:25.239
saw Amy with Yellow in the ship's class elevator. About

674
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.280
fifteen minutes later, they claimed that they saw only Yellow

675
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.679
walk by them in a hurry, and he didn't acknowledge them.

676
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:36.679
So it's impossible to corroborate this time. And it's nineteen

677
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.800
ninety eight. We don't have cell phones in our pocket,

678
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.239
you know, So like now, I feel like I have

679
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:43.880
a good sense of what time it is all the

680
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.079
time because i'm you know, either well, I have a watch,

681
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:48.639
but you know a lot of people don't. But you

682
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.800
always have your cell phone with you. But I wonder

683
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.079
if they have this time wrong, right, And.

684
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.000
These are teenagers.

685
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.679
They may have had watches, but they a lot of

686
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.000
teenagers probably didn't wear watches at that point, and they're

687
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:02.239
on a cruise ship right.

688
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.639
Right, And staff should not have been on the glass

689
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.840
elevator at any time. There was a special staff elevator.

690
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.880
And I guess Yellow did break some other rules because

691
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.239
he wasn't supposed to be, you know, with a guest

692
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.440
after one am, and he was definitely dancing with Amy

693
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.559
after one am, so he could have been in the

694
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.639
glass elevator. But I do question the timing of this

695
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.480
because it was never corroborated. The girls when they went

696
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.800
back to the room. I think they were eighteen years old, okay,

697
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.119
And they went back to the room, like one of

698
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.920
their moms let them into the cabin and she said

699
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.039
that it was after six am. But I just I

700
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.559
question it because they didn't have to swipe their card,

701
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:40.760
is what I was trying to get at there.

702
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:41.239
Okay.

703
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.639
Well, like we see in so many stories when someone

704
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.119
gets reported missing, you know, I always think back to

705
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.800
the Lacy Peterson case, all of a sudden, you know,

706
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:49.679
all these people come.

707
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:50.239
Out of the woodwork.

708
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:51.719
Well I think I saw her, you know, I saw

709
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.079
this person. And they're always very specific with their information,

710
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:58.320
and it's just you know, not that I doubt them, but.

711
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.519
A lot of times his testimony is weakest evidence.

712
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.840
You want to have seen her, and so you tell

713
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:06.079
yourself that you saw her.

714
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.760
Well, hold onto your hat, because we have a whole

715
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:10.599
lot more of that coming up.

716
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.079
Oh boy.

717
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.960
The Royal Caribbean didn't announce Amy's disappearance or distribute flyers

718
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.039
with her picture to passengers until forty eight hours after

719
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.920
her disappearance. News reached the US by the next morning.

720
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.480
Amy's friends and family were shocked and felt helpless. The

721
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.239
crew were adamant that the crew is needed to continue

722
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:33.400
for the sake of the other passengers. The Bradleys were

723
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.880
encouraged to disembark in Curasau in case Amy turned up.

724
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:41.239
Iva and Ron's boss rented them a hotel room. The

725
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.199
Rhapsody sailed off as planned on the evening of March

726
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.960
twenty fourth. To Saint Thomas, it was a surreal feeling

727
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.320
for the family. I can imagine how surreal that would be.

728
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:52.840
It's like, you.

729
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.239
Don't know is she on the ship, is she in

730
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:57.320
the water? Is she on curasaw In.

731
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:01.320
The heartbreaking and Royal Caribbean did seem they were like, uh, yeah,

732
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.599
you guys should probably get off the ship and wait,

733
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:06.719
I'm sure they're going to find her, so you want

734
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:07.960
to be here in Kiras out.

735
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:09.880
They just wanted to be done with it and move on.

736
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:13.960
Many guests weren't even aware that a passenger had gone

737
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.599
missing when they awoke the next morning. The Bradleys began

738
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.719
having second thoughts and decided to fly to Saint Martin

739
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.159
to meet the Rhapsody at its next location to search

740
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.880
the ship more thoroughly and ask more questions. They were

741
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:32.320
met by Royal Caribbean executives. Although the ship had forty

742
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.159
surveillance cameras, they were only used for live monitoring. They

743
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:40.079
didn't record, leaving no footage to review after Amy vanished.

744
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:42.760
Super frustrating, right yeah.

745
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.880
The morning after Amy disappeared, Dutch authorities and the FBI

746
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.159
came aboard the ship to begin their investigation, but by

747
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.519
then the Bradley's cabin had been cleaned. There were no

748
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.079
fingerprints on the Bradley's deck railing.

749
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:00.320
Which is crazy to think about, right, Yeah, I think

750
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:01.960
that there would be. It would surprise me that they

751
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.719
would clean the room and then they would go out

752
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:06.280
to the deck and clean the deck.

753
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.400
Yeah, that does seem like I.

754
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:11.679
Would think that the balcony would get cleaned every now

755
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:13.159
and then, but not every.

756
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.639
Day, right, that is very strange.

757
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.400
Although journalist James Renner claims that there were some palm

758
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:23.480
prints on the railings and maybe some footprints on the door.

759
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:25.960
So if you think if Amy was sleeping on the deck,

760
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.800
like to sleep in a chair is really uncomfortable, Like,

761
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:30.559
I think you would have to prop your legs up

762
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.199
on something. So I would think that she would, you know,

763
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:36.000
prop them up on the railing or you know, like

764
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.320
maybe on the door or something.

765
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.320
Yellow was questioned, but authorities didn't believe he had anything

766
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.880
to do with Amy's disappearance. He said that he returned

767
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.559
to his room around three thirty am and went to bed.

768
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.400
His key card confirmed.

769
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.320
This, although originally he claimed that he was back to

770
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.519
his room at one am. If you remember, it was

771
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:00.400
the ship's rules that all staff should be back in

772
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.000
their rooms by one am and not socializing with guests

773
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.480
any long. Okay, So there were definitely some things that

774
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:09.480
he was dishonest about.

775
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:10.480
Yeah.

776
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.400
However, because the ship was in international waters, the FBI

777
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.880
had no domain on the Rhapsody and couldn't detain anyone

778
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:22.039
and could only question people who agreed to cooperate. Yellow

779
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:23.480
did pass a lie detector.

780
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.000
I read varying reports that it was either inconclusive or

781
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:29.000
he passed.

782
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.159
Okay, Iva, Ron, and brad were all interviewed by the

783
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.920
FBI and quickly eliminated as suspects.

784
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:37.039
We'll be back after a break.

785
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.440
On March twenty eighth, the Bradley's left the cruise ship

786
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.519
early and flew home from Saint Thomas on a private

787
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.400
plane chartered by Iva and Ron's boss. I don't know

788
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:57.199
this man's name, but he really helped the family. Oh yeah,

789
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.719
where Royal Caribbean should have been stepping up to the

790
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.280
place and helping them, But you know, Ron's boss really

791
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:03.679
made sure.

792
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:04.840
Yeah, it really seems that way.

793
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.360
Yeah. Back in Virginia, neighbors had adorned the trees in

794
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.960
the Bradley's neighborhood with yellow ribbons for amy. Once they

795
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.360
were home, they set up a command center in their house.

796
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.880
Friends and family pulled their money together to offer a

797
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.760
one hundred thousand dollar reward. Eventually it was I think

798
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:26.719
over two hundred thousand dollars for any information. Royal Caribbean

799
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:30.280
has also offered a two hundred thousand dollar reward for information,

800
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:33.440
and the FBI two have offered a twenty five thousand

801
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.440
dollars cash reward. The Bradleys also set up the Find

802
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:41.000
the Amy Bradley Fund, accepting donations from community members and

803
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.679
people around the world. A man named Wayne Brightagg stayed

804
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.519
in the room next to the Bradleys and shared their balcony.

805
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.360
He enjoyed traveling alone and often observed the world around him,

806
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.880
including Amy as she sat outside smoking. He had been

807
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.079
at the ship's nightclub that night, quietly watching others rather

808
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:03.880
than joining in. Gators considered him unusual, but ultimately he

809
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:04.599
was cleared.

810
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.800
When you say the balcony was shared between the two rooms,

811
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.800
was there like any kind of barrier, like a wall

812
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.840
between them or was it truly open between It was

813
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:16.360
not open.

814
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:21.159
There was something between the two balconies, but they would like,

815
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.760
you know, kind of peer around the little partition.

816
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.079
Okay, but it wouldn't be easy to go from one

817
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.920
balcony to the other, or possibly even I.

818
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.960
Think it would be possible, but definitely my sage.

819
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:32.840
Okay, gotcha.

820
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.800
Another passenger, Chris Fenwick, had been hired to document the

821
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.239
trip for a different company. Aboard the ship, Fenwick had

822
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:44.920
about fifteen to twenty hours of video footage. After Amy's disappearance,

823
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.559
he went through the tapes hoping that he had caught

824
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.280
her on video, and sure enough, he found the video

825
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:54.280
from the nightclub that captured Amy dancing with Yellow. Someone

826
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.119
claiming to be with the boat security called him and

827
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.320
told him that they needed his master copyfus we used

828
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.480
to turn over the tapes. Good for him, However, he

829
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:04.960
made a copy and handed it over to the FBI.

830
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.280
Did they have that footage on the Netflix documentary?

831
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:08.800
They did?

832
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:10.920
Okay, interesting to see yeah.

833
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:16.280
Two weeks after Amy's disappearance, on April fourth, her father, brother, uncles,

834
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:21.079
and her alleged boyfriend Tom returned to Carousau for a week.

835
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.519
They held a press conference to spread the word about

836
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.039
Amy and distributed over seven five hundred flyers with her picture.

837
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.079
They met with police, hospitals, Morgue's, churches, and the media.

838
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.639
It was during this trip that they met a cab

839
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.519
driver named Dshi. We'll come to this in a few minutes.

840
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.800
Royal Caribbean was under fire, but they tried to skirt

841
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:45.800
responsibility and keep Amy's disappearance out of the media. A

842
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.840
missing passenger was very bad for business. The Bradleys believed

843
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:52.519
they knew more than they shared with them, and they

844
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.519
were slow to provide them with a passenger manifest or

845
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:59.840
surveillance video. Ron said, we were met with more concerned

846
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:03.880
for their reputation than for our daughter. That ship sailed

847
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:07.719
before anyone even lifted a finger, and that does seem

848
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.840
to be the case. It quickly became a nightmare to

849
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:16.000
investigate because international laws limited US involvement. We felt like

850
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.639
we were screaming into the wind. Iva said. One agency

851
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.519
would say we can't do anything, it's not our territory.

852
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.800
Another would say, we're waiting for permission from the cruise line,

853
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.599
and meanwhile our daughter was missing.

854
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:29.760
Ah so frustrating.

855
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.119
In February nineteen ninety nine, a judge declared Amy legally

856
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.800
dead so the Bradleys could pursue two lawsuits against Royal Caribbean,

857
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:43.639
one for negligence and the other for wrongful death. The case, however,

858
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:47.199
was later dismissed after the family was accused of fraud.

859
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:51.840
The family had concealed eyewitness statements suggesting that Amy was

860
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.639
alive and well, and instead presented only three accounts that

861
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.800
supported the narrative that she had gone overboard.

862
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.400
So these states that she suggesting she was alive, and

863
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.800
well you mean after she disappeared. Yeah, oh okay, like

864
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.679
where were they, where did they see her?

865
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:12.840
We're going to get to that, Okay. In twenty ten,

866
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.920
a jawbone with one wisdom tooth attached washed ashore on

867
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.280
a beach in Aruba. Authorities said the bone belonged to

868
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.119
a Caucasian female, at first thought to belong to American

869
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.000
Natalie Holloway, who vanished in two thousand and five during

870
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.800
her senior class trip to Aruba. The Bradleys provided Amy's

871
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.519
dental records to the FBI, but it's unclear in my

872
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:38.199
research if the jawbone was ever tested. The bone may

873
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.440
have been too degraded to test. Okay, Since I wrote that,

874
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.639
my research has actually told me that that jawbone was

875
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:47.920
tested and it was not Amy's.

876
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:47.760
Okay.

877
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.519
So the Bradleys are sure that Amy met a foul

878
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.840
play and seemed to actively dispute any evidence that she

879
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.559
fell or jumped overboard, but they are seemingly able to

880
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.679
accept that she may have been thrown overboard. In the

881
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.440
years following Amy Bradley's disappearance from the Rhapsody of the

882
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.119
seas in March nineteen ninety eight. There have been numerous

883
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:11.719
reported sightings. Just weeks after Amy vanished, her father, brother,

884
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.440
uncle's and alleged boyfriend returned to Carrousaw. That's when they

885
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.400
received their first disturbing lead. A taxi driver named Deshi

886
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.599
claimed that he had seen a young woman matching Amy's

887
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:27.840
description visibly distressed not long after the ship docked in Cairosaw,

888
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.519
wearing jeans and a white T shirt, which her family

889
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.360
thought was what she would be wearing. The woman asked

890
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.800
him where to find a payphone. He pointed to the payphone,

891
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:42.000
but she went in the opposite direction. Dashi pointed them

892
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.920
to a couple of points on the island where he

893
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.400
thought Amy could have been taken, including a luxury hotel

894
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.679
called the Coral Reef, but they began to suspect that

895
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.199
Deshi was sending them on a wild goose chase. During

896
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.360
that desperate search, Brad thought he heard someone calling his

897
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:01.000
name from a car in traffic on the street. It's

898
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.719
haunted him ever since. He swears that it was Amy's voice.

899
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.719
They tried to follow the car, but when the car stopped,

900
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.079
Amy was not inside. Amy's case went cold until five

901
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.400
months later, when Canadian engineer David Carmichael reported seeing a

902
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:20.840
woman escorted by two men on a Kirasou beach. He

903
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.360
thought that one of the men was Yellow. She looked brightened,

904
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:26.280
like she was about to say something when one of

905
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:30.840
the guys motioned her away. Carmichael said he even remembered

906
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:35.039
her two distinctive tattoos, a gecko and a Tasmanian devil,

907
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.800
which match ones Amy had. Quote, if the man had

908
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.800
not stared at me, I would have forgotten everything. But

909
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.840
I can't. I think about this every day. There isn't

910
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:48.360
a day that goes by when I don't. After Carmichael

911
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:51.480
spotted them, he said that Amy and the two men

912
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:56.239
went to eat an outdoor cafe. While investigators immediately went

913
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.440
back to search, they found no trace of Amy, so

914
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:02.039
he said that one of the men looked like Yellow,

915
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.639
but at this time Yellow was still working for Royal

916
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:11.440
Caribbeans and he was on a ship in interesting A

917
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:15.039
member of the US Navy reported seeing Amy and Kirosow

918
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.679
brothel in nineteen ninety nine, although he didn't report it

919
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:23.320
until years later after he'd left his job in the military. Quote,

920
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.679
she told me she got off that ship and she

921
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.679
left on her own because she was going to score drugs.

922
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.679
She said, well, me and my brother were partying and

923
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.159
I went ashore to get drugs, and now I'm stuck

924
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.639
here with these guys. The woman told him that her

925
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:41.960
name was Amy before she was escorted away. Amy's family

926
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.440
said that she drank, but she never took drugs, so

927
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.440
they did not believe that part of the story.

928
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.039
Oh and yeah, she was an athlete too, right, So

929
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:51.960
not that that doesn't mean you can't take drugs if

930
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.199
you're an athlete, but I think a lot of athletes

931
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.559
they really want to take care of their body, so.

932
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.480
Right, But in nineteen ninety eight, she had already graduated

933
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:00.280
college and she.

934
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.880
Wasn't really she can move down from that, yeah.

935
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.280
Another sighting occurred in two thousand and five, when an American tourist,

936
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.760
Judy Mauer, claimed to have met a distraught woman in

937
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.960
a department store restroom in Barbados. She said that the

938
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.239
woman told her that her name was Amy and that

939
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.000
she was from West Virginia a needed help before two

940
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:25.079
men barged into the restroom and whisked the woman away.

941
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.920
You said West Virginia, but Amy was from Virginia, right exactly.

942
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:32.519
The most chilling lead came in two thousand and five

943
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.440
as well, when a series of photographs were sent to

944
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.880
Amy's family by a tipster. The images, published on a

945
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:44.159
Caribbean adult website, adult vacation dot Com, appeared to show

946
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:48.039
a woman named Jazz with a striking resemblance to Amy

947
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:52.760
in a sexual exploitation setting. Even the FBI could not

948
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.519
rule out that this was Amy. Oh, I'm going to

949
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:57.920
show you the picture really quick and then you can

950
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:01.760
give me your opinion. Okay, I forgot that. I sent

951
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:03.599
this picture to our family chata.

952
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:05.320
Yeah you did, and I.

953
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.519
Think everyone in her family chat was like it, it's

954
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:08.480
gonna be the same person.

955
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:09.239
It's intriguing.

956
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.280
I mean, I can definitely see the resemblance, and it

957
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.719
looks like you know, I think when you sent the picture,

958
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.039
I said, it looks like it could be the same

959
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:20.360
person after several hard years in between.

960
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:24.079
And that's a really good point, because it's been seven

961
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.840
years in two thousand and five since Amy's been missing.

962
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.280
To me, she looks older than Amy would be thirty, right,

963
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.920
she looks older than thirty to me, And yeah, I mean,

964
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.679
you know, if she was in this sexual exploitation business.

965
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.199
That would aid you quickly, for sure.

966
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.159
But the facial structure, like just her cheek bones, and

967
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.559
there is definitely a strong resemblance there there is.

968
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.679
Iva said, when I first looked at the picture, it

969
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.400
wasn't the Amy. I know, the picture looks like a

970
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.599
harsh and tormented Amy, but it was still something for

971
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:58.079
the Bradleys to hang on to and give them hope

972
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:03.039
that Amy was still alive. People online have identified Jazz

973
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:06.320
as a woman named Susan from Daytona. There are other

974
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:10.039
pictures of her where she looks less like Amy, and

975
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.639
I've heard some people say that her ear lobes are

976
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.760
attached and Amy's appear unattached, or vice versa. And in

977
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.960
the pictures of Jazz, you can't see the tattoos. And

978
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.079
if they're from two thousand and five, like our photoshop

979
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:28.679
abilities what they are today. And the picture is grainy,

980
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:32.400
so I can't see any evidence of the tattoos. It

981
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:36.559
doesn't mean that they aren't there. This Susan from Daytona

982
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:38.920
is just like a couple of people have said this,

983
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:43.960
it's not We've never found this woman. It does make

984
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.280
me wonder though all these sightings of Amy. Could they

985
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:51.199
have been this other woman. We've maintained from the beginning

986
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.079
that someone saw Amy and took Amy from that ship

987
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.400
in some way, Ron told NBC. Well, none of these

988
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:02.440
sightings have ever been conved eclusively verified. The consistency of

989
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.000
reports over the years has fueled suspicions that Amy was

990
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:10.639
abducted and forced into sex trafficking, keeping her case painfully alive.

991
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:15.000
Decades later, a man named Frank Vernon Jones Junior was

992
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:18.960
arrested and charged with mail and wire fraud. He told

993
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:22.880
the Bradleys and the Nation's Missing Children Organization that he

994
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.320
was a former US Army Green Beret Special Forces officer

995
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.320
and would help them find Amy. Between September twenty eighth,

996
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.679
nineteen ninety nine and July twenty eighth, two thousand, the

997
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.559
Bradley sent him a total of two hundred and ten

998
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:40.639
thousand dollars to pay for costs associated with finding Amy.

999
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:44.159
At one point, Joan sent the Bradley's a photo he

1000
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:47.679
claimed was of Amy. The woman was actually an acquaintance

1001
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:49.679
of his, and the photos had been taken on a

1002
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:55.199
Florida beach, complete with temporary tattoos matching Amy's he'd lied

1003
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.880
and claimed that his team had engaged in a gunfight

1004
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.559
with Amy's captors, killing some of them.

1005
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:01.960
That's so disgusting.

1006
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.480
Take advantage of a family like that, that's disgusting.

1007
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:09.360
I think most of the people who reported seeing Amy

1008
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:12.360
had the best intention. Yeah, I'm sure, but we talk

1009
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:16.320
about this all the time. That I witness testimony is

1010
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:22.400
the least convincing testimony, right, Yeah, So what happened to

1011
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.719
Amy Bradley. I'm going to go over when I racked

1012
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.000
my brain, like all the possibilities that I thought of,

1013
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:33.599
she jumped intentionally meaning to take her own life. I

1014
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.199
don't think that's the case. I think that things were

1015
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.400
going pretty well in her life. There's something called the

1016
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:42.239
call of the void. Have you heard of this turn before?

1017
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.639
Totally? Yeah, I totally know that. What that feeling too.

1018
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.199
It freaks me out, really yeah, I had that feeling.

1019
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:53.559
All the time, Like really, yes, when I'm like when

1020
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.599
I used to work in downtown Detroit. You were in

1021
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:58.360
like a building and I would be on the fifteenth

1022
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.039
floor and there was a balcony. I couldn't stand on

1023
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.719
that balcony because not that I thought I was going

1024
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.360
to do it, but you just like you just have

1025
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.599
this feeling like what if I did what if I

1026
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:11.360
just I could just jump over that right now, and

1027
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.000
it just freaks you out. It's a really weird feeling.

1028
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:16.079
Okay, Well, I don't know if I've ever had that.

1029
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:16.960
That's good.

1030
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.119
And some people think that, you know, Amy could have

1031
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:24.119
had that experience. She fell overboard accidentally while she was

1032
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:27.719
trying to vomit. The room was really cramped, and if

1033
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.760
she was feeling ill, you know, the combined effects of

1034
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:35.239
being at sea and you know, having had several drinks.

1035
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.280
So I don't think I have said this yet. She

1036
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:41.199
either had six or seven light beers between dinnertime, which

1037
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:44.320
was at six pm until she went back to the room,

1038
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.119
like on the Bradley's bill. That's how many drinks that

1039
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:49.800
she had. I don't think that doesn't mean that someone

1040
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.920
could could have bought her drinks or shots or something.

1041
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.639
And Amy was friendly with the bartender, so I think

1042
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:59.199
it's possible that she had more to drink. Yeah, and

1043
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:01.719
the room was really close quarters, and if she could

1044
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:05.639
have like, you know, vomited overboard rather than you know,

1045
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:08.639
like gone back to the bathroom and then everyone would

1046
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:11.159
have heard her. Sure, you know, it's possible that she

1047
00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:15.880
could have done that. The railings did come up pretty high.

1048
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:18.639
I think they were forty two inches and Amy was

1049
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:22.960
five feet six, so a lot of people say that, yeah.

1050
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.320
And but there wasn't like the ship. The side of

1051
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:27.920
the ship seemed like a straight like there wasn't any

1052
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.119
like decks that were protruding. So she you know, could

1053
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.079
have had a direct shot if she leaned over far

1054
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:37.840
enough and the table was depending on who you believe,

1055
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:40.559
the table was pushed up to the railings. So in

1056
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.880
my head, you know, I think it's possible that she

1057
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.880
could have like been kneeling on the table or used

1058
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.400
the table to like, you know, get up a little higher.

1059
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:52.639
Remember Amy in the fifteen rolls of a film Sunrise

1060
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.039
was at six thirty seven am that morning. You know,

1061
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.440
could could she have been trying to get a picture

1062
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.599
of the sunrise, although rad said her camera was in

1063
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:05.199
the room in the safe Okay. Could someone have slipped

1064
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.199
something into Amy's drink and caused her to hallucinate and

1065
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:11.760
she would have ended up overboard? Could something have happened

1066
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.760
between Brad and Amy on the balcony or did Amy

1067
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.719
wilfully walk off the ship, wanting to start a new life.

1068
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.320
Was she murdered and taken off the ship in a suitcase?

1069
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.639
Was she taken against her will off the ship and

1070
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.000
sold into sex trafficking. A lot of people think that

1071
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.440
is the most plausible thing that happened to Amy. One

1072
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.760
more possibility that I haven't mentioned yet. During Amy's last

1073
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:39.000
night aboard the ship, she was seen in conversation with

1074
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:42.920
two black women wearing uniforms that didn't match the ship's

1075
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:47.239
crew navy skirts with light blue, buttoned up shirts. Her

1076
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.800
brother Brad later researched and noted that these matched the

1077
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.719
attire of staff from the Sea Org ship Free Winds,

1078
00:56:55.079 --> 00:57:00.800
docked nearby and operated by the Church of Scientology. After

1079
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:06.000
Amy's disappearance, two officials from Scientology knocked on the Bradley's

1080
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:10.119
hotel room door, introduced themselves as from the Free Winds,

1081
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.559
and asked strangely specific questions about Amy, details like her

1082
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:19.440
favorite snacks, cigarettes, and drinks. Brad initially entertained theories that

1083
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:23.320
Amy might have been lured aboard the Free Winds, but

1084
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.800
after speaking with former Sea Org members, he recanted, acknowledging

1085
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:34.039
that involvement was extremely unlikely. One last possibility is could

1086
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.920
Amy have been used in a drug trade? Did someone

1087
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.480
on the ship convince her to deliver a package to someone?

1088
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.360
In my head, this seems like maybe a fairly likely scenario.

1089
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.639
She was very familiar with a lot of the crew members.

1090
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.360
Remember they asked her to go to the bar with them,

1091
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.199
and she would sit at the bar and talk to

1092
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:58.000
the bartenders. And then she was friendly with the yellow guy.

1093
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.039
And I feel like, you know, she was just starting

1094
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.079
her life. They could have offered her, you know, a

1095
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.440
pretty good amount of money to take a package and

1096
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.960
delivered to someone. Maybe she could have been killed during

1097
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:11.760
a drug trade.

1098
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.000
Interesting, So let me just make sure I understand the

1099
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:20.239
timeline here. So she disappeared at around six am something

1100
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.800
like that, Right, her dad got up and she wasn't

1101
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:27.559
there at six am? Right, the ship was docked in

1102
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.480
Curous Out at that time or not not yet.

1103
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.840
That's a good question. The doc it was reaching Curius

1104
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.159
Out was almost to cure us out at six am.

1105
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.840
I think by seven am they were docked and that's

1106
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:40.840
when passengers were getting people.

1107
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.960
Were starting to get off, like, yeah, seven okay. Interesting

1108
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.880
because I was just thinking that her family started searching

1109
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.639
for her right away, so before the ship was actually docked,

1110
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.760
So she would have had to have been if she

1111
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:56.280
left the ship voluntarily for whatever reason, she would have

1112
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:59.960
been evading them during that time, basically trying to make

1113
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:01.119
it so they wouldn't find her.

1114
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.280
Yeah, that's a really good point. She would have had

1115
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.400
to have been in someone's room. Yeah, probably hiding.

1116
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:07.360
Okay. Interesting.

1117
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:12.000
The Bradleys are adamant that Amy is alive. Quote. We

1118
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.559
think what happened to Amy was that she was targeted.

1119
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.440
She was seen, taken and removed from the ship, and

1120
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:20.440
we believe she was trafficked into some kind of sex

1121
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:24.519
trade situation. Iva Bradley said Amy was the kind of

1122
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.280
kid who knew who she was even when she was little.

1123
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:30.039
She had this spark iner. She was strong, not just

1124
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.400
physically but mentally. Amy loved to dance, to create, and

1125
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.480
be active. She was fiercely loyal and looked out for

1126
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.199
her friends and family. She was adventurous in the life

1127
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:43.920
of the party. Iva said that she wakes up every

1128
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.360
day and thinks, maybe today is the day they will

1129
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:49.480
find Amy. Each night before she goes to bed, Iva

1130
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:53.719
and Ron say to each other, maybe tomorrow. Amy's car,

1131
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:57.519
her red mos Demata remains in the Bradley's garage, where

1132
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:02.000
Ron still maintains it not just missing, Iva WinCE said

1133
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:06.199
she's missed. The Raleys have appeared on numerous TV shows

1134
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:09.440
over the years, including Oprah, Doctor Phil, Unsolved Mysteries, and

1135
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.440
America's Most Wanted. In hopes of getting Amy's picture and

1136
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.400
story out to the public, they've pledged to never stop

1137
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:18.679
looking for her as long as they are alive. The

1138
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:21.960
Crew's Vessel Security and Safety Act was signed into law

1139
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:25.360
in twenty ten. It was created to improve safety standards

1140
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:28.679
and transparency within the cruise industry after a series of

1141
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:33.480
high profile disappearances and crimes at sea. It enforces safety

1142
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:37.800
regulations on ships operating outside of the US. It states

1143
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:42.039
that incidents that occur aboard cruise ships must be reported immediately.

1144
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.559
The law requires cruise ships that dock at US ports

1145
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.719
to implement specific safety measures, such as higher guard rails,

1146
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:54.559
peep holes and cabin doors, and security latches. It also

1147
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:58.079
mandates that ships maintain equipment for the prompt preservation of

1148
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.039
evidence in cases of serious crimes, and provide medical staff

1149
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:05.920
trained to treat sexual assault victims. In addition, cruise lines

1150
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:09.119
must report alleged crimes to the FBI and the US

1151
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:12.480
Coast Guard, and those reports are made available to the public.

1152
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.000
Cruise ships must also report crimes to the Department of

1153
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:21.320
Transportation to maintain statistics. The Act was designed to protect passengers,

1154
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.360
ensure better accountability from cruise companies, and give families and

1155
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:30.079
investigators more access to critical information when crimes or accidents

1156
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.079
occurre at sea, but with ships sailing under a variety

1157
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:38.679
of foreign flags, investigating crimes is still often difficult. It

1158
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.239
shouldn't take such a tragedy to make people safe, Ron

1159
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:46.519
Bradley said, But if Amy's story helped just prevent just

1160
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.519
one more family from going through this, then she didn't

1161
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:50.599
disappear for nothing.

1162
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.480
Definitely seems long overdue to have those kind of regulations.

1163
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:55.039
Absolutely.

1164
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:57.039
I mean, like you mentioned at the beginning, these ships

1165
01:01:57.079 --> 01:01:59.960
are basically floating cities, and so there's going to be crime,

1166
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:02.239
there's going to be accidents, there's going.

1167
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.119
To be medical issues. They really need to be prepared

1168
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:05.800
for those things.

1169
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:10.719
Yes, most cruise ships today have overboard detection systems. According

1170
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:14.239
to an article in USA Today, between twenty nine and

1171
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.880
twenty nineteen, there were two hundred and twelve overboard incidents

1172
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:21.480
globally involving passengers and crew, and only forty eight of

1173
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.320
these people were rescued. Do you remember the story just

1174
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.079
this summer. I think it was a Disney cruise line

1175
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:28.079
when a little girl fell overboard.

1176
01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:28.519
Yeah.

1177
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:33.119
Wow, make me cry thinking about her father jumped overboard

1178
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:37.039
and I think treaded water for twenty minutes until they

1179
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.639
were rescued. And they were both rescued and safe, and

1180
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:41.719
that was a wonderful story.

1181
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:42.159
Yeah.

1182
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.679
So, Brad Bradley, now forty eight, told People magazine people

1183
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:49.280
can't understand the level of hope that we've maintained. We're

1184
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:53.199
still waiting for that call. Brad has been tireless, especially

1185
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:56.960
since this Netflix documentary came out. There's just a click

1186
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.280
around on YouTube. He's given so many interviews. Really is

1187
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.280
hopeful that she's out there.

1188
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.239
And heartbreaking not knowing.

1189
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.480
Yeah, so what do you think happened to Amy?

1190
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:08.400
Boy?

1191
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:11.159
I wish, I wish I knew. It's such a mystery.

1192
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:14.159
I mean it, it seems to me like when I

1193
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:16.639
think about it, the most likely scenario is that she

1194
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:22.199
somehow went overboard, either fell or was pushed overboard. Because

1195
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:24.960
just the fact that she hasn't been seen. I mean,

1196
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:26.519
I know there have been a lot of sightings, but.

1197
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.920
The best one was in two thousand and five. Yeah,

1198
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:31.079
that's interesting, but.

1199
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:32.760
I just don't, you know, I just don't know how

1200
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.159
many of those are really credible. The photo that you

1201
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:38.679
that you looked at was the one I was like, Oh,

1202
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.039
that really looks like you're with them. You mentioned the

1203
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.280
tattoos and everything. Even though you can't be one hundred

1204
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:46.320
percent sure, it does seem like it's maybe not so

1205
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.719
likely that that was her. But I don't know, I

1206
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.280
really it's a real mystery for sure.

1207
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:56.360
The whole the thought of her being trafficked. A high

1208
01:03:56.360 --> 01:04:01.159
profile American from you know, a relatively wealthy family isn't

1209
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:03.840
taken off a cruise ship to be trafficked.

1210
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:04.760
Yeah.

1211
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.440
I don't know a lot about sex trafficking and how

1212
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.760
that normally works and how common that is. But that

1213
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.599
was my first thought as well, is that it just

1214
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:16.519
doesn't seem that likely to me. But I really don't

1215
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:19.480
feel like I know enough about how these people go

1216
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:21.679
about what they do and who they target and things

1217
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.960
like that to really have a valid opinion on that.

1218
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:29.840
Most people forced into sexual exploitation don't look like Amy Bradley.

1219
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:34.559
Traffickers prey on the vulnerable, children, women in poverty, people

1220
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:38.320
without support systems, who can be easily manipulated and controlled.

1221
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:43.360
Victims are usually isolated, stripped of identification, and watched constantly.

1222
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:47.639
They aren't free to stroll through shops or cafes, places

1223
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.360
where they could be recognized or ask for help, and,

1224
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:54.320
practically speaking, without a passport or papers, moving them across

1225
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:58.079
borders is nearly impossible. So Amy allegedly has been seen

1226
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:03.039
in Kirasau, Barbados, Aruba. Yeah, I don't know how you

1227
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:04.440
know she would get from place to place.

1228
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:06.199
Yeah, it does seem a little unlikely.

1229
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:09.719
Amy was twenty three, healthy, educated and deeply loved by

1230
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.800
her family. Women aren't plucked from cruise ships and forced

1231
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:16.719
into sex trafficking. It's too high profile. Amy was strong.

1232
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.679
She would have not gone quietly eat Over the years,

1233
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.000
witnesses swore they saw her in hotels, cafes, even begging

1234
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:27.039
strangers for help. None of this fits how trafficking works.

1235
01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:31.039
She didn't match the profile, and her supposed captors didn't

1236
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:35.119
behave like traffickers. That's what makes her disappearance so unsettling.

1237
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.880
Nothing about it makes sense amy sandals were under her chair,

1238
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.760
and the balcony table against the railing suggests that she

1239
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:44.880
was barefoot, leaning or sitting on the edge. With only

1240
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.400
minutes between when her brother went to bed and when

1241
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.719
her father noticed that she was gone, it's hard to

1242
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.519
believe that she wandered the ship. The ship or was

1243
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:56.320
taken during this time. Just seems like it's too convenient, right.

1244
01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:59.679
The simplest answer to me is there was an accident.

1245
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:04.639
She slipped overboard, unseen and unheard before anyone realized it.

1246
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:08.079
If Amy's still alive today, she would be fifty one,

1247
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:10.679
and I think that she would have aged out of

1248
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:14.280
sex trafficking. I think it's highly unlikely that she's never

1249
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.440
tried to contact her family in all of these years.

1250
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.000
It's far more compelling to believe Amy is still alive,

1251
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:24.320
whether traffic are living somewhere in secrecy, than to accept

1252
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:27.599
that she slipped into the sea nearly thirty years ago.

1253
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.360
But holding onto that hope can also be cruel, keeping

1254
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:35.159
her family suspended between possibility and loss, unable to fully grieve,

1255
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:39.000
move forward, or find peace in their remaining years. That's

1256
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.119
what breaks my heart about this case is that her

1257
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:45.480
family is just clinging to hope that she's alive. And

1258
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:48.519
the Bradleys are I think in their mid seventies now,

1259
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:50.639
and you know, I just wish that they could have

1260
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:51.199
some peace.

1261
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:53.800
Yeah, it would be great for them to have closure

1262
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.920
in one way or another. I tend to agree with

1263
01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.880
you that that seems to be the most logical explanation

1264
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.519
that she somehow went overboard, maybe accidentally, because like you said,

1265
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:08.480
the window of time is narrow, and when people fall

1266
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:10.800
overboard on a cruise ship, you're.

1267
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.039
Out at sea. It's a huge.

1268
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.679
Area and it's pretty likely that you're not going to

1269
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:16.079
be found.

1270
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:16.800
I know they said that.

1271
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:19.239
You know, even if there were sharks or whatever, there

1272
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:21.719
would be clothing. But you know, the sea is a

1273
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:22.800
really big place.

1274
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.840
It really is. Although the boat was nearing the shore

1275
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:30.920
of Curras how Yeah, so it was more limited in

1276
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.079
its scope. But almost twenty four hours had passed until

1277
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.199
you know, they got into the water and search for it, right,

1278
01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:38.280
So I do.

1279
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:41.119
It does seem weird though. It does seem like it

1280
01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:44.559
would be hard to accidentally fall overboard as well, you know,

1281
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:48.199
just because the railings are fairly high, you know, and

1282
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:50.199
I can't I can't imagine you would get up on

1283
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:53.400
a table, you know, next to the balcony to try

1284
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:55.880
to lean over and get a better picture, so that

1285
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:56.719
I don't know.

1286
01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:58.239
It's really really baffling to me.

1287
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:00.639
One piece of the story that I have a hard

1288
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:04.519
time with is people believe that Yellow had something to

1289
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:09.159
do with Amy being trafficked. She'd already rebuffed his advances

1290
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.719
in the club the night before. I don't think that

1291
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:14.239
she would have gone up to meet him at six am.

1292
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:16.720
Yes, I was thinking the same thing she was seen

1293
01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.039
at five thirty am. Their night had ended a few

1294
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.399
hours earlier. So yeah, it doesn't It doesn't make any

1295
01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:25.600
sense that she would go see him, or that he

1296
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:27.800
would you know, he couldn't have come into their room.

1297
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.760
Some people said that, well, maybe he was going to

1298
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:33.720
show her the best place to take a picture of

1299
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:38.399
the showers of Kirasau. It's a beautiful port. Yeah, and

1300
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.520
maybe he but I yeah, that's hard to believe.

1301
01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:41.239
It hard to believe.

1302
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.920
I haven't mentioned this yet. There was a female bartender

1303
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:47.199
that Amy enjoyed talking to, and her name was Caitlin,

1304
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.439
So I could see that more as a pool like

1305
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:53.920
maybe she wanted to meet Caitlin. But even that seems

1306
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:56.800
unlikely because if Amy wanted to see Caitlin, I think

1307
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.520
that they would just would have stayed. Yeah, like to

1308
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:01.920
go back to her rooms.

1309
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.520
I'll meet you in three hours at six am.

1310
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:06.560
Mostly for an out. Yeah. I have a hard time

1311
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.439
with you too. Do you think that Royal Caribbean is

1312
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:11.159
culpable somewhat?

1313
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:14.560
Yeah? I think they really did not have good procedures

1314
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.399
in place to handle this when somebody went missing, Like

1315
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.760
we talked about it earlier, But someone goes missing, even

1316
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:23.239
if you're even if it's only for a short time,

1317
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.520
you should stop everything. You know, you shouldn't let people

1318
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:31.159
off the ship. You shouldn't it. People could be a

1319
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.279
little inconvenienced for a short time before you find someone.

1320
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.079
I imagine if you were on that trip, you would

1321
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:40.439
have a little PTSD from being involved in that, and

1322
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:43.439
you know, racking your brain. Did I see Amy? You

1323
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:44.920
know what? What could I have known?

1324
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:46.079
Yeah? Absolutely?

1325
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:49.479
I would hate the fact that she's never been found

1326
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:53.479
and it was because you know, I have to go

1327
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:54.479
off on the port city.

1328
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:55.439
Yeah, I think that.

1329
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:59.079
I think Royal Caribbean definitely did a very poor job

1330
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:00.439
of managing this situation.

1331
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:03.960
Well, let us know what you think about this baffling case.

1332
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.399
It's one of those cases that, sadly, I don't think

1333
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.439
we will ever truly know what happened to Amy Bradley,

1334
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:13.279
but we're thinking of her family and friends. And I

1335
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:15.119
didn't want to say rest in peace because you know

1336
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:17.520
she still might be out there. Had a hard time

1337
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:19.800
if I should use present tents or past tense, but

1338
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:23.479
you know, I hope that she has found someday. Yes,

1339
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:31.399
so I'm going to ask you again, would you like

1340
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:32.239
to go on a cruise?

1341
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:38.199
Well, I wouldn't let that this story deter me so much,

1342
01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:41.319
but when you talked about the fact that cruise ships

1343
01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:43.560
are so crowded and so many people, that that did

1344
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:46.920
give me a little more pause because I prefer vacation.

1345
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.439
Where you're a little bit, you know, away from people,

1346
01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:51.479
not in huge crowds of people.

1347
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.119
So I don't know, I would still consider it if

1348
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:55.760
it went to some cool places.

1349
01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:59.239
But yeah, I think like a Nordic cruise would be fun,

1350
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:02.039
or on a lee ask a cruise. I don't know

1351
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.720
if I would go on a cruise to the Caribbean.

1352
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:09.239
Yeah, yeah, I would probably prefer one of those other options.

1353
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:09.600
As well.

1354
01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:12.279
We didn't talk about this a ton, but I think

1355
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:14.239
the cruise ships. I don't know if they still are,

1356
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:16.640
but they were used for a lot of drug trafficking

1357
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.039
because it was very close to Venezuela.

1358
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:19.479
Yeah.

1359
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:22.680
I never would have thought that, but it makes total sense.

1360
01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:24.319
Yeah. Yeah.

1361
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:26.640
So the other day I was I was heading out.

1362
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:28.880
I was just going to go, I think, to some

1363
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.680
some shops and things like that, and I really didn't

1364
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:36.680
feel like getting ready, sweing my hair and making myself

1365
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:40.800
look decent. And I started thinking about the Jetson's.

1366
01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:45.000
Not where I figured you were going with that, but

1367
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:46.199
you watch.

1368
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:48.760
The jets I love it. It's so funny. I was

1369
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:53.319
thinking about George Jetson and how they were really pretty

1370
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:54.640
much the same person.

1371
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:57.479
Were they? I never really thought about that, I guess.

1372
01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:01.159
Similar, But I just started think about Jane and how

1373
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:02.359
she used to have like.

1374
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:05.600
Jane his wife, Yeah do you want to.

1375
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:10.520
Just no, okay, But she had this like it was

1376
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:14.039
like a zoom call essentially, huh right, and then she

1377
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:16.319
had like a mask that she could like slip on.

1378
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.840
And I guess we have filters for zoom calls, but

1379
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:22.119
I wish that I, you know, could have just like

1380
01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:25.800
this filter that I could wear all the time, and

1381
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:27.960
it would and maybe we're going to get there someday.

1382
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:28.960
Probably we will.

1383
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:32.119
Yeah, but everyone has to agree to wear you know,

1384
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:34.800
like their Google Google glasses or whatever, and we can

1385
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.159
all just like look better to each other.

1386
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:38.800
That's probably what will happen, is everyone will have you know,

1387
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:40.880
these kind of Google glasses are.

1388
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.279
Probably like a chip in her brain, right.

1389
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:45.800
Or likely yes, And so yeah, you'll be able to

1390
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.560
turn on a filter so everybody looking. You'll probably have

1391
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:52.800
to pay for it, so it'll be a description, it'll

1392
01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:53.880
be a subscription thing.

1393
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:55.079
You'll have to pay for it.

1394
01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:58.840
It'll cost forty nine cents for the first three months

1395
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:01.079
and then nineteen United for Yeah.

1396
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:02.560
Yeah, I think you nailed that.

1397
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:06.159
I think what year was the Jetson set in? Do

1398
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:06.800
you want to guess?

1399
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:10.079
I have just twenty twenty five.

1400
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.720
Twenty sixty two, Okay, so we're not too far off.

1401
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.479
And I again thinking about the Jetsons, like, how close

1402
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:20.359
are we to the Jetsons? I think we some things

1403
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:21.479
are really close.

1404
01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:24.359
I don't remember much of the details about it. I

1405
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:26.920
just remember the whole sort of vibe of the show

1406
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:30.199
more so than specific technologies that they had.

1407
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.560
Well, they had their flying cars. Yeah, we're not really

1408
01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:37.560
there yet, No, not quite. They had Rosie the robot,

1409
01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:41.960
which we have were probably but it's not a Rosy right.

1410
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.359
So yeah, would you like a flying car?

1411
01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:48.600
Yeah, totally. Ever since I was a kid. When I

1412
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:52.479
was a kid, I read in some magazine about these

1413
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:56.119
ultra light planes, which are they still have them, but

1414
01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:59.640
they're really small, like they basically dangerous. Oh they're super

1415
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.800
dangerou but they have like a lawnmower engine essentially. When

1416
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:04.359
I saw that, I was like, oh my god, I

1417
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:07.479
want one of those someday so bad. And I still

1418
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:11.079
would love that, but the safety factor turns me off.

1419
01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:13.439
Maybe you should take flying lessons. A lot of people

1420
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:15.239
take flying lessons. Do you think you would do that.

1421
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:17.640
I have like a fear of flying, but I have

1422
01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:20.159
a fascination and all the flying at the same time,

1423
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:23.199
and I don't think I would trust myself to fly

1424
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:24.039
a plane.

1425
01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:26.319
I just what's the Nathan Fielder Show?

1426
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:27.840
Oh the rehearsal.

1427
01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:29.920
Yeah, did we talk about that on the podcast?

1428
01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:31.560
We might talk a little bit.

1429
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:33.920
Yeah, but that if you haven't watched that, that was

1430
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.800
a very interesting show. And yeah, at the end of it,

1431
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:39.600
like he was taking he was really scared of flying too, right,

1432
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:41.279
and he took flying lessons.

1433
01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:43.359
I don't know if he was scared of flying or

1434
01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:46.640
he was just fascinated by flying and the risks and

1435
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:49.520
things like that. And he, yeah, he became a pilot,

1436
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:53.359
like not just a small plane pilot, but right, commercial

1437
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:57.199
airliner type pilot. So just for a bit, yeah, I

1438
01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:00.000
mean he took it, took it to extremes, which pretty impressive.

1439
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:03.680
One more thing before we go. I think we have

1440
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:07.279
a good shot at winning the lottery this weekend. It's

1441
01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:11.439
like almost like one point five Actually it's probably closer

1442
01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:12.880
to two billion dollars right now.

1443
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:15.439
Well, after taxes, it will only be you know, probably

1444
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:16.560
one billion.

1445
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:18.680
Right, So how are we going to spend our money?

1446
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:22.159
When you say you think we have a pretty good shot,

1447
01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:23.720
what why do.

1448
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:24.720
You believe that?

1449
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:28.000
I think, well, I told the universe and actually you

1450
01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.920
were present for this conversation, huh. I put it up

1451
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:35.319
in the universe that we would donate probably more than

1452
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:38.399
fifty percent of the proceeds to charities. That's one of

1453
01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:42.960
the people I admire most is Jeff Bezos first wife

1454
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:48.199
number one. Uh huh, Mackenzie Scott. She has donated so much,

1455
01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:50.159
but she got a lot of money in their divorce

1456
01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:53.279
and she has done Her goal is to donate, like,

1457
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:56.039
you know, billions of dollars to charity, and I feel

1458
01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:58.600
like I would really love to donate a lot of

1459
01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:01.800
money to charity too. We donate every month to charity.

1460
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:04.199
So you think that will increase our odds of winning

1461
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:05.720
the lottery because you put that.

1462
01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:06.680
To the universe.

1463
01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:09.600
Okay, Yeah, I mean I think we would donate a lot,

1464
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:10.439
a lot, a lot of it.

1465
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:12.640
I mean, yeah, if you want a billion dollars, you

1466
01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:15.199
could easily donate more than half of that and be

1467
01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:17.399
really comfortable.

1468
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:19.279
With the rest of Honest to god, I only want like,

1469
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:22.479
and this still sounds really greedy, like five to ten million,

1470
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:24.560
and the rest I would probably.

1471
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:25.520
Yeah, I'm good with that too.

1472
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:28.119
Sure, Okay, So what are we going to do with

1473
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:29.119
with our proceeds?

1474
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:31.399
Well, I think we've we've talked about it enough. I

1475
01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:34.319
think we're going to buy a nice house on Lake Michigan.

1476
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:38.279
Just one, yep, Well, we probably have two. I'd probably

1477
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:41.119
keep a house here in one and it wouldn't have

1478
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:44.439
to be fancy. We're not really fancy people Like if

1479
01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:47.960
I could have like three pair of your leggings rather

1480
01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:50.560
than one for joggers, I'd be out.

1481
01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:51.239
That would be good.

1482
01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:52.359
You know, I'm pretty simple.

1483
01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:54.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair and.

1484
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:57.680
Lying because I would buy probably a lot more things.

1485
01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:01.239
But I would probably get see and tickets to the Tigers.

1486
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.239
It's just going to say that Tigers. That's a lot

1487
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.600
of games, man, I know, sorry to buy some friends

1488
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:07.239
to go with you too.

1489
01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:10.359
Half their games are at other stadiums. Yeah, and I

1490
01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:13.159
might travel to some of those on occasion to go

1491
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:16.239
to games as well. But so it's not quite as

1492
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:18.319
you know, as extreme as you think. It's only like

1493
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:22.279
eighty eighty one home games a year, okay, and then

1494
01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.880
of course you add in the eight or nine Lions

1495
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:25.560
home games a.

1496
01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.800
Year, so right you would you would need to do that?

1497
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:28.520
Of course?

1498
01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:31.279
Yeah, you could afford to pay someone to go to

1499
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:33.399
the games and tell you that happens.

1500
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:38.039
Doesn't seem quite the same. Yeah, but I guess I could.

1501
01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:42.079
We could hire Keith Morrison to come to the podcast

1502
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:42.760
with good.

1503
01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:45.439
You think, Yeah, that would be pretty cool.

1504
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.399
Who would you want? Would you want Keith? Or who's

1505
01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:51.239
your favorite dateline person? I mean, we're just going off

1506
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:52.520
on too many tangents right now.

1507
01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:53.600
Oh we are. It's Keith.

1508
01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:56.279
Everyone everyone knows if you're going to pick one Dateline host.

1509
01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:57.479
No offense to the others.

1510
01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:01.439
They're all lovely, but Keith. Only you like him as

1511
01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:04.800
much as Keith. No way, I mean it's close.

1512
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:09.399
Really, I haven't actually, we haven't watched Dayline in a while. Well,

1513
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:12.000
thank you so much for listening to this episode. We

1514
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:13.000
hope you enjoyed it.

1515
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:13.399
Well.

1516
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:14.000
I enjoyed it.

1517
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:16.479
I thought it was fascinating and I had no knowledge

1518
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:17.319
of this case before.

1519
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.640
Will you watch the Netflix documentary?

1520
01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:21.159
I would like to watch it.

1521
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:23.079
Yeah, I told you everything in it, but go ahead.

1522
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:27.239
If you don't trust me, check check your.

1523
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:29.039
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1524
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:32.960
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