Bonus episode: Broken Hearts Collaboration

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Hey, listeners, Welcome to our
Broken Hearts collaboration. I'm Christy and I'm

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Melissa, and together we host the
true crime podcast Buried Motives. We thought

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it would be fun to get together
with some of our amazing podcast friends and

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bring to all of our listeners a
very special collaboration. Every true crime enthusiast

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knows that love can often end in
murder, and so this Valentine's Day,

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we wanted to bring you cases that
have something to do with love gone wrong.

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It is said that a large number
of relationships experience what is referred to

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as the seven year itch, a
time when tensions run high and couples are

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put to the test. Together,
we will each tell one case to represent

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one year out of that seven year
itch. We hope you will enjoy this

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Broken Hearts collaboration as much as we
all loved coming together to bring it to

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you. To start, we have
to go to the very beginning Year one,

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a time when love is new and
exciting and you are filled with hope

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for the future. Year one is
when you truly believe that love can conquer

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all. Our first case is presented
by the amazing husband and wife duo Tina

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and Rich from the podcast Love Mary
Kill. They are a happily married couple

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who discuss true crimes involving not so
happily married couples. Hi. I'm Tina

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and I'm Rich and we are the
hosts of the podcast Love Mary Kill.

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We've been married for how long?
Three hundred and eighty seven? I was

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thinking three hundred and eighty six,
but somewhere after three hundred and fifty week,

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completely last track. But we've been
married for a long time and we

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haven't killed each other yet, not
yet. But we tell a lot of

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stories about people who have killed each
other, Yes, but today we're not

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telling a story about people who have
killed each other. You give away the

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spoiler. Oh sorry, Well,
Happy Valentine's Day, my darling, My

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Valentine Day. Thank you. It's
true what they say. Diamonds are a

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girl's best friend, and you really
shouldn't have I spoil you. You just

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kidding because we're recording this in January, and I'm sure you'll get I feel

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like you're trying to set me up. I do that a lot too.

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We're trying to keep this as succinct
as possible, so we're going to roll

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right into snack. So one thing
we like to do is we like to

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have a snack before we talk about
brutal murders and crimes. Yeah, it

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makes you agree. So today I
am unveiling. I made these yesterday,

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as you know, so it's kind
of cheating, but King Arthur flowers hot

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buttered pretzels, and they're a family
favorite. I like to make them on

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snow days for some reason. So
yeah, it's they're a little it's a

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little labor intensive, but they're delicious
and they're worth it, right, they

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sure are. Sometimes we just do
snacks that we buy at the gas station.

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Sometimes maybe one of us does that
more than the other one. Yeah,

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but you actually are a really great
baker, and so you're okay baker.

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But and I also made you a
little bit of cheese dip. So

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we are going to try that real
quick and then we'll get back to you

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on the other side. Well,
that was incredibly delicious. Thank you?

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Are you that try him out?
So soft and dowey and salty and very

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similar to an ant aunt Ann's or
Auntie Ann's anti We need to get we

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need to get rolling. I know, let's get rolling, all right.

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We're going to tell you the story
of Francis and Anthony Toto. And I

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am sorry about the spoiler earlier,
but this is one of the happier stories

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that we normally tell, so I
think it's really appropriate for Valentine's Day and

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to our usual listeners. We already
covered this story last year, but I

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did rewrite it and I found a
little bit more information, So here we

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go. The story of Francis and
Anthony Toto. Anthony Toto emigrated to the

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United States from Italy when he was
just fourteen years old. He met Francis

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and the Bronx when they were teenagers. Tony was attracted to Francis immediately because

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of her sweet, quiet nature and
beauty. They married in nineteen sixty six

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and had four children together. Later, they moved to Allentown, Pennsylvania,

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home of the Billy Joel No Classic, though Tony opened an eponymous pizzeria where

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he worked super long hours. He
worked like every day, many hours a

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day. Tony had an insatiable appetite
for all the things that life has to

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offer, fun, food, and
women. He was fun loving and the

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life of the party. But at
home, Tony was domineering and abusive.

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In nineteen eighty three, Francis had
reached her boiling point with the abuse and

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Tony's wandering eye. Oh, Francis
knew that Tony was cheating on her NonStop,

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and some of the women had even
begun to call their family home and

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ask for him. That's a bad, bad thing. She didn't know how

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to talk to Tony about their troubles. Some nights he had as many as

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three dates quote unquote. France has
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several friends warned her about his philandering, and she couldn't ignore it any longer.

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Was tired of being a laughing stock. With each passing day, Frances's

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iire rose until it consumed her divorce
was out of the question. For the

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Catholic Totos, Francis began to plot
Tony's murder of Francis. At first,

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she hired a man to blow up
Tony's nineteen eighty two Lincoln by wiring a

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bomb from the distributor to the ignition. But the bomb didn't go off.

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And we could laugh about this because
we know that survived. But it's pretty

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horrible. Really, it's pretty hard, I mean, and Francis is really

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like this nice traditional Catholic woman,
and I mean she she must have really

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just reached her boiling pace. It's
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with one attempt either. Well okay, what mister spoiler today? Holy wow?

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All right, so this bomb was
wired from the distributor to the ignition.

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But you know, you hire some
guy up the street. Wasn't a

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good bomb. It didn't go off. So next Francis had someone clap or

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to Tony with a baseball bat.
I think it was a sixteen year old

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kid. The kid jumped out of
the shrubs in a surprise attack and tried

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to wallop Tony, but Tony's kind
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He overpowered the kid and chased him
away. Determined despite the bungled attacks,

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On January twenty sixth, nineteen eighty
three, Francis hired Anthony Bruno, a

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twenty year old friend of her daughter's, to shoot Tony. He shot Tony

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with a twenty five caliber handgun in
the back of his head while he was

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in bed sleeping. My that's a
rude awakening. I'll say the shot woke

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him up, but did not kill
him. Bruno refused to finish the job

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after learning that Tony had survived.
When Tony awoke, he said he didn't

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feel well, not realizing that he
had taken a bullet to the back of

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the head o The bullet was lodged
in the back of his skull, where

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it actually remains today, but somehow
it didn't kill him. France has told

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Tony he must have the flu,
and she tucked him into bed. She

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force fed him homemade chicken noodle soup, but France's secret ingredient was a bottle

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of sleeping pills. She was determined
the sleeping pill laden soup didn't kill Tony

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either, but Francis wasn't ready to
give up anytime soon, so then she

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hired cousins Donald and Ronald Barlp aged
eighteen and nineteen, for five hundred dollars

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to finish the job. On January
twenty eighth, nineteen eighty three, the

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bar Lips arrived at the Toto home
by taxi. They had a few drinks

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in the Toto's basement to muster their
courage while they formulated a foolproof plan.

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Ronald planned to shoot Tony in the
heart and Donald would stand nearby with a

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baseball bat to finish Tony off just
in case something went awry. The pair

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slunk into Tony's bedroom, where he
slept. Ronald fired the gun, missing

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Tony's heart by just an inch.
He thought Tony was dead, so he

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didn't require a bashing with the baseball
bat. After all. The cousins went

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into the living room to celebrate,
but minutes later, Tony walked into the

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living room, shocking everyone. He
said, what's going on? The gunshot

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woke him up, but he didn't
realize that he was the intended target.

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The bar Lips quickly fled the house, and an incredulous Francis put Tony back

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to bed again. Tony must be
like a real solid sleeper. I can't

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imagine the fact that she told him, like, oh, it's just it's

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the flu. Just go back and
rest. Stealed, you'll be better.

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It's hard to believe, but it
is all true. Tony was rescued two

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days later on Super Bowl Sunday,
January thirtieth. Someone had informed the police

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after hearing the bar Lips brag about
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I would you brag about a bungled
murder attempt? That's how a lot

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of criminals get caught. The bungled
it, and what do you have to

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brag about if you bungled it?
Fair point. The police arrived at the

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Toto home and asked to see you
Tony. Francis said he was out of

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town, but the police forced their
way into the house and found Tony in

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bed, bandaged and bleeding from his
wounds. At least she imaged him up.

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That's nice. Yeah, the pillow
under his head was bloodied. The

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police told Tony he had been shot, and he said, no, I

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haven't. It wasn't until he was
in the hospital that he realized that Francis

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had tried to kill him. Francis, Anthony Bruno, and the Barlep cousins

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were all arrested for Tony's attempted murderer. Doctors said that the sleeping pills that

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Francis drugged Tony with actually saved his
life by slowing his metabolism, which in

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turn slowed the bleeding. It's ironic
h that crazy Tony spent twelve days in

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the hospital. Despite Francis's attempts to
kill Tony, he immediately forgave her and

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understood that he had driven her to
it because he had been a cheating husband

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and an absent father. Once he
was released from the hospital, he went

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to the bank and took out a
fifty thousand dollars loan against their home and

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business to pay Francis's bail. And
just for the record, I don't think

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I would forgive you if you tried
to kill me like five times. Well,

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if you were a philanderer and an
absent father and you'd been and he

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was abusive too. He was very
adamant that he'd never hit her or punched

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her, but he said he did
push and shove her, yeah, which

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I'm not sure if Francis would corroborate
that or not. Tony defended his wife

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and asked the police to drop the
charges against her, but they refused.

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He pleaded with a judge for leniency. Francis pled guilty to two counts of

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attempted murder. France has spent four
years in prison, but she talked to

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Tony every day. The three men
who attempted to murder Tony went to prison

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too, for about five years each. How do you think Tony spent those

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four years other than talking to his
wife every day, I taking care of

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his kids. Yeah, I'm not
so sure about that. No, do

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you think he was still philandering?
I mean, how do you go from

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having three dates a night too and
your wife is away. Hmmm, that's

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a good point. I'm guessing he
was not a faithful, loyal husband,

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but maybe they had an agreement.
I know, he's supposed to be a

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changed man. Yeah, he claims
to be a changed man. I would

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hope that he learned his lesson.
Tony appeared on the Oprah Winfrey Show in

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nineteen eighty six. He wore a
shirt that said shot twice and still love

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my wife. During the interview,
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husband and making life difficult for Francis. Tony told Oprah, That's when I

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really began to realize how much I
needed her in my life. I realized

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how much she had done for me
during the past twenty years, and how

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much the family really needed her.
Sometimes it takes a tragedy to bring a

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family together. Tony has been able
to find the humor in the situation and

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seems to enjoy the notoriety. While
Francis was in prison, Tony made his

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children his first priority and became a
better father. He sold the pizzeria where

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he had once worked as many as
sixty to seventy hours per week, and

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he got a forty hour a week
job as a printer to spend more time

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with his family. He enjoyed his
time with his children and was glad to

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have a second chance at fatherhood.
The couple happily reunited after Francis's time in

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jail. He was waiting for her
when she was released and they embraced for

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ten minutes. Aw do you have
a tear? In very touching. Tony

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said that when Francis makes soup now
he waits for her to eat first.

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Quote. I was thinking of getting
a German shepherd. You never know when

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you go to sleep, who's going
to come into your bedroom with a gun

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or a baseball bat. Francis gave
a genuine laugh at that. She said

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she regretted trying to have him killed
and never really wanted to hurt him.

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Tony started practicing karate after the incident
and said that it has taught him more

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self discipline and confidence. After the
Toto's appearance on Oprah, their story cought

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thee attention of Hollywood producers. Tony
sold the right to the Toto story to

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Try Star Pictures for an undisclosed amount. Francis's conviction prohibited her from profiting off

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of the story. The nineteen ninety
movie I Love You to Death, starring

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Kevin Klein and Tracey Ullman, is
based on the story of Francis and Anthony

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Toto. River Phoenix, William Hurt, and Keanu Reeves also star. We

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watched this after week. It's funny
to yeah, Cisco Niebert gave it to

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Tony said he owned a small part
of the movie, and a movie poster

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from the movie hangs in their house
today. He said the movie is ninety

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nine percent accurate. I think it's
more probably like eighty percent accurate. Yeah,

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he said. Quote The movie is
great, it's fantastic. We love

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it, and it's a message for
everybody. Crime doesn't pay, cheating doesn't

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pay, two very important messages to
learn. The Totos were part of the

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media blitz and appeared in countless magazines
and newspapers. They were interviewed on several

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high profile TV shows Joan Rivers,
Johnny Carson, Arsenio Hall, and Heraldo

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Rivera, to name a few.
The media attention was too much for them

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however, and the Totos have been
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release, but they're still together.
Quote. They constantly call me, and

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once in a while I break down
and tell people that our story is not

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a funny one. What happened to
us is a very serious matter. It

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almost ruined my life and cost me
my life. So I say, look

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at me, I almost lost everything. Don't do what I did. Tony

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mounted a makeshift shrine in their home, complete with movie posters, newspaper clippings,

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and movie memorabilia. I should say
that Tony, I think liked the

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attention, and Francis is more of
a quiet woman, probably a little embarrassed.

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I think she's totally I think she's
mortified because she seems like a sweetheart.

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Yeah, here's a bit of marriage
advice from Tony Toto. You might

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want to write this down and make
a needle point sampler. Killing someone is

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not the answer. That's the mistake
fran made. You should do anything but

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kill him. That's wrong because not
only do you ruin yourself, you also

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ruin your family. You have to
think about that, especially if you have

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children like we did. In my
case, I was a very stubborn person.

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I did not want to listen to
her. I took everything for granted,

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my wife, my marriage, my
family. We both did wrong.

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My problem was I went out with
a lot of women. Of course,

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it's wrong cheating on your spouse.
I hope the people who go see the

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movie will learn something from us that
cheating does not pay, that what Francis

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did does not pay. This year, the toe we'll celebrate fifty eight years

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of marriage. And that's where we
ended the first time. But with our

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newspapers dot com subscription, I was
able to dig up a few more articles

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and I learned that in nineteen ninety
two, Tony, then forty seven,

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was arrested for assault and harassment as
a for a woman named Kim who was

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his girlfriend. Oh no, Tony. He had punched her in the face,

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knocking out a tooth. Tony paid
for Kim's medical care, and charges

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against him were dropped when she failed
to appear at a court. That really

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bummed me out because it was like, here's this happy ending, and I

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was like, oh, man,
so you know practice what you preach,

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Tony. Really, we hope you
enjoyed this mini episode. Thank you so

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much to buried motives for inviting us
to be part of this collaboration, our

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very first collaboration. It's very exciting, it is and it's an honor to

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be among such great company. If
you enjoyed this mini episode, please join

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us every Monday for a new episode
of Love Mary, Kill. And thank

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you so much to our regular listeners. You know we love you guys,

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and I hope we hope you enjoyed
this collaboration. And until next time,

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don't kill your husband, don't kill
your wife. Thank you to Tina and

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Rich. That was quite the case. I can't believe he stayed with her

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fifty eight years. That is wild. And she was so persistent trying to

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kill him too. But persistence is
what allowed them to stay together after the

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fact, and that's how you make
it to year two. Year two in

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our collaboration is represented by a fellow
podcaster with whom we've had the pleasure to

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work with before. Kim Toler is
the host of a million other choices.

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Kim brings to the table a unique
perspective. In twenty eighteen, Kim's family

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experienced the tragic loss of her niece
at the hands of a dirt bag.

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Today, she is bringing us a
case that you might not have heard of

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before, but deserves to be told. This is a million other choices,

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and I am your host, Kim, And this is the murder of Padria

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Hassan. Butdria Hassan's childhood was not
a particularly happy one. Orphaned at a

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young age in Ethiopia, she was
raised by her grandmother in poverty. Ethiopia

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is actually a very interesting country and
culture. The story doesn't unfold there,

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but it is interesting. The name
derives from the Greek Ethio, meaning burned

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and pia, meaning face. Now
it may seem not very nice to name

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a country the land of the burned
faced people, but consider the time period,

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and Homer considered Ethiopians to be favored
by the gods. Only eleven percent

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of the over sixty one million people
living in Ethiopia live in urban areas.

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Most is not necessarily rural, but
nomadic, so they move their livestock based

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on where the moisture is. There
are eighty two languages spoken, and English

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is the most widely spoken of them. Ethiopia is also rumored to be the

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origins of the Homo erectus or us
humans, as it were, the country

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was ruled by a monastery until nineteen
seventy four and today is considered an ethnic

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federalist government, which I have no
idea what that means, but Muslims and

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Christians have been living together peacefully there
for centuries and still today. In Ethiopia,

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there is a caste system of social
groups, all tied together by family

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lineages, a four tier system with
slave descendants at the bottom. However,

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in urban areas, your social class
is determined actually more by your job.

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But regardless of your job or birth
station, women are responsible for child wearing,

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cooking, and your basic household stuff, and any educational funds are spent

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on boys rather than girls. And
regardless if you are a Christian or Muslim,

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women are expected to maintain high moral
standards and purity, and boys,

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well, no one ever told us
women that life was fair. An arranged

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marriage in the early nineteen nineties was
still the norm, so when Butria turned

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eighteen and nineteen eighty seven, she
was informed that she had been betrothed to

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a twenty four year old man currently
living in Germany named Mohammed Abdo. Her

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grandmother had actually made this arrangement with
Mohammad's parents years before in exchange for them

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helping her with the costs of raising
Badria, but neither Muhammed or Badria were

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aware until Mohammed had received a telephone
call from his parents telling him letting him

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know about that this deal had been
made now Brgeria. For her part.

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At the time, she wasn't happy
or unhappy about it. She had never

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really met the man and always knew
growing up that one day she would be

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married to someone that her grandmother picked
for her. So she was given her

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passport, a little bit of money
and sent to live in Italy with some

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other relatives until Muhammad was done with
whatever he's doing in Germany and could come

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and fetch her. And the plan
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and when she got to Italy,
Mohammed had come to visit her as often

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as he could to get to kind
of nowhere. But according to a close

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friend of her, she had said, I tried so hard, but I

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couldn't love him. But she married
him because she was loyal to her grandmother,

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who only wanted a better life for
her. And in eighteen ninety one,

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Mohammed had actually moved to Canada settled
in Calgary, in a small apartment

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on fifteenth Street and twenty sixth Avenue
in the Beltline area, which at the

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time would have been a fairly low
rent area just outside of downtown, a

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low rise building with about maybe ten
units in it. Today rent is probably

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well over twelve hundred dollars a month
for a bachelor pad there. But times

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they do a change, and Badria
had given in to pressure from her family

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and had joined him there in February
of eighteen ninety one, and the rather

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shy and reserve Badria settled in as
best she could and got a job and

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was taking classes at the Alberta Vocational
College and when on the afternoon of July

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tenth, nineteen ninety one, Mohammad
dialed nine one one to report that he

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had walked in to find Badria's lifeless
body covered with a sheet on their bedroom

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floor, with an electrical cord wrapped
around her neck. Suspicion immediately fell to

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Muhammad, who, although distressed to
find a woman dead in his apartment,

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wasn't what you could call distraught over
the loss of his twenty one year old

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wife, who, lets face it, he barely knew there were no signs

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of forced entry, and it was
fairly evident by the scene in the gentle

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covering of her body that Bedria's killer
knew her and that she knew him or

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her, But they really had nothing
to tie him to the murder. His

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fingerprints and hair and fibers were all
over the apartment, but he lived there.

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And the only thing that they found
that was maybe a little bit odd

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was a crumpled piece of paper with
the couple's address written on it. And

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this little piece of paper wasn't written
on with the handwriting that they could match

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to Muhammed, and why would he
need to write down his own address.

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So they headed to the college to
talk to her classmates to see if they

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could find anyone that she had maybe
opened up to about this unhappy marriage of

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hers, and they discovered that on
July tenth, she had skipped her English

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class and one teacher was told she
had a dentist appointment, but a classmate

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said that she was told that she
was taking her nephew to the doctor.

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So they went back to the couple's
apartment and tore it apart, looking for

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anything that they could find, and
hidden in the back of her closet was

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a suitcase, and in this small
secondhand suitcase unraveled a completely secret life.

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And when the suitcase was opened,
inside were several letters. There was also

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a photograph of a young man smiling
at the camera, and a couple of

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the letters the man talked about her
pregnancy, but the autopsy didn't show that

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she was pregnant. And one of
the letters the man had preferred to the

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little one and had asked if she
could give his love to a son.

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And then there at the bottom of
one of the letters were the words from

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your love Mustafa abdirah muse. Now
it turns out that Bedria's uncle, Alisho

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Ahmad knew Mustafa, but knew him
as a man named Ibrahim Mohammet, a

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landed immigrant from Somalia who he had
taken in. Now this was in Toronto

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in May of nineteen ninety one,
and this man, who matched the picture

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in Badria's suitcase, was confronted eight
days later by the family that he had

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been away during Badria's murder, So
what was that about? And Mustapha confessed

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to not being Ibrahim and that Badria
and him were having an affair. Then

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that she loved him and he didn't
kill her. You must believe me.

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We are going to trace and find
whoever this killer is. So none of

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this sat particularly well with Alisho,
but he didn't really know what to do

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or who to believe, and so
in July twenty second, Calgary police used

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a female undercover Somalian officer to call
Alishov's house in Toronto and ask for Mustafa.

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And when Alischhov handed the phone to
Mustafa, telling him she wants to

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speak to you, he sat down
on the bed and started to shake,

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and Alishov sat on the floor next
to him, comforting him and asking him,

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like, what's going on, and
he said I killed her? And

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al Show asked why and he said, God said so, don't panic.

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And then he asked Ali Show to
get him some cash and a passport because

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he's got to go, and he
went into another room to pray while al

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Show supposedly gathered what he needed,
like he'd just have random passports lying around

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in cash. Instead, Ali Show
called the police and the two men fought

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about that. Mustafa finally fled,
but he was grabbed by police in an

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apartment a couple doors down in his
suitcase they found three passports, so I

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don't know why he would be asking
Madria's uncle to get involved, a fake

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Italian marriage license, and an ultrasound
photograph. So let's unpack these suitcases and

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I'll tell you what happened during this
ill fated arranged marriage, an illicit affair.

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Well in Italy, Badria met the
young and dashing Mustafa, who was

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living with seven other refugees from Somalia
and working as a street vendor selling cigarettes

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and lighters, who quickly fell deeply
in love, despite Madria being betrothed to

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another man that she didn't know and
didn't really love. But she got pregnant

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in nineteen ninety and Mustapha was thrilled. He wanted her to keep the baby

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stay with him, but she knew
that her family was counting on her to

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move to Canada to be with Mohammed, and she'd found herself in quite the

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pickle. So on one hand,
she loves Mustafa very much, feels better

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suited to be with him, but
she had this deep family loyalty to do

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what her grandmother has ordered and that
Mohammed's parents have essentially paid for, as

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terrible as that sounds, and she
wasn't yet officially married to Mohammed yet,

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so she can't really be pregnant when
he shows up the next time from Germany,

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and she certainly can't have a kid. When she's only twenty years old

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and Mustapha is telling her it's great, it's gonna be fine, She's like,

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it's not fine. I don't think
you realize just how not fine this

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is. So anyways, in the
end, she makes the choice to be

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loyal to her family, let's just
leave it there, and she deeply she

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loves Mustafa, but she's starting to
kind of grow up after this and realize

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that she has to make some hard
decisions. She loves Mustafa, but she's

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got to go to Canada and she
has to make it work. So in

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February of nineteen ninety one, she
leaves Italy and Mustafa behind and makes this

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move to Canada. Only when she
gets there she realizes that she's in fact

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pregnant again, and Mustapha continues to
write her and talk about the baby.

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So she did at some point let
him know that she was pregnant again.

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Now I don't have access to the
letters, but it sounds like at this

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point, although kind of waffling between
wanting to hear from him and just feeling

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those feelings of love and bonding.
She's kind of also telling him things that

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she thinks he wants to hear.
I think she's just kind of keeping that

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long distance thing going for those warm
fuzzies, but not because she expects to

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actually be with him. I mean, he's in Italy, she's in Canada.

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He's working as a street vendor,
and I doubt it's easy to immigrate

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to Canada without some kind of work
history that Canada would actually be looking for.

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So on July seventh, nineteen ninety
one, Padria actually called Mustafa and

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told him you have to stop.
You can't call here. I need to

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focus on my job, my classes, and my marriage. But Mustafa isn't

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having it. He actually books a
one way ticket to Calgary from Italy the

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next day under a fake name,
which was pre nine to eleven, so

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I guess that was easy to do
back then. And on the plane he

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meets a guy from Somalia and invites
him, who invites him to stay with

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them. And the next morning,
this guy wakes up to see Mustafa reading

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a map of Calgary. Again,
that was a thing. Back in nineteen

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ninety one, and the guy offers
to drive him wherever he wants to go,

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but he says, no, it's
okay, I'll just take the train.

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That he came back around three pm
that day, but then he took

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off later, leaving a thank you
note on the table and saying he's going

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back to Toronto. And he had
actually gotten a hold of a rather surprised

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Padria, telling her that he wants
to see her, you know. Butadria's

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kind of on one hand, she's
happy to hear from him, excited at

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the possisability of seeing him, but
she's also like, oh, like,

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this is not good. So she
gives him her address and skips her class

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to go home and meet with him
and hopefully be able to convince him that

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it's in fact over between them.
Only she answers the door, not the

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six or seven months pregnant that he
was expecting. So enraged, he strangled

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her with an electric cord, covered
her body and fled to Ottawa, where

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he worked on obtaining a passport so
that he could flee the country. Only

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he had gotten caught because Padria had
held onto the letters in the suitcase,

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of which the investigator Nick Kiska said
all her secrets were in there. Her

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real life was actually in this case, and that's what ultimately puts us on

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the right track. Mastefa Muse was
charged and convicted of second degree murder,

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having to serve ten years before being
eligible for parole, and ten years later

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in two thousand and one, he
was paroled and then immediately deported to Somalia.

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And that was the ill fated love
story of Bedria. Hassan wow Kim.

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That one really had a twist that
we did not see coming, a

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whole secret life hidden in a suitcase. It must have been good police work,

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absolutely, but such a tragic end
for such a young woman. And

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I feel bad for her arranged husband. He had no idea any of this

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was going on and was completely blindsided. But that's not very uncommon to sometimes

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be blindsided in a relationship. By
year three, you might start to see

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things with less of a rose colored
lens. Things are not always the way

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that they seem. Bringing us a
case to represent year three is a fun

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mother daughter duo Amanda and Pam,
who hosts the weekly podcast and meshed The

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cases they cover remind us that some
of the most poisonous people can come disguised

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as family. Hello meshres and welcome
to and Meshed, the podcast that explores

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family and relationships and crime. I'm
Amanda and I'm her mom, Pam.

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First order of business. Happy Valentine's
Day. We hope you all have a

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great day filled with love, happiness, and of course zero enmeshment. We've

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collaborated with six other wonderful true crime
podcasts to bring you a day of love

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gone terribly wrong. We are so
excited to be a part of this collaboration

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and would like to thank Melissa and
Christy of Buried Motives for organizing this very

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special events. All right, well, let's get on with the story,

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shall we. All right, when
Marilyn Reese's first laid eyes on Sam Shepherd,

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they were in middle school. Sam
was clearly a handsome, talented and

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confident athlete as he was shooting hoops
in the school gymnasium. Young Marilyn's interest

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definitely piqued, and she told one
of Sam's teammates that she'd like to meet

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him. Sam gladly introduced himself to
the smitten Marylyn and the rest was history,

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or so it seemed, even though
these sweethearts came from opposite beginnings,

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they maintained their loving relationship throughout their
time at Cleveland Heights High School. Let's

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go back to the beginning. Both
Sam and Marylyn were born in the affluent

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suburb of Cleveland Heights, Ohio,
in nineteen twenty three. Maryland's mother died

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when she was only six years old, and her grieving father sent Maryland to

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live with her aunt and uncle,
likely traumatizing the poor little girl even further.

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This was on the opposite side of
town from the stable and prominent Shepherd

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family. Sam's father was a successful
doctor when Sam, who was the youngest

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of three boys, was born,
and no doubt, with a silver spoon

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00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.079
in his mouth, the Shepherds ran
a tight ship. The boys grew up

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under pressure and with clear expectations to
become a doctor like their father, regardless

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of their true passion, which Sam's
was sports. When Sam's father cracked out

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on his grades in high school,
he still maintained his boyfriend girlfriend status with

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Marylyn. Sam was always the most
rebellious of the three brothers and possibly a

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bit narcissistic. When Marylynd graduated a
year before him, they stayed together,

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albeit a long distance relationship, as
she attended Skidmore College in Saratoga Springs,

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00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.799
New York. When Sam graduated high
school a year after Marylyn, their relationship

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00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:31.759
was still going strong. It was
only Sam's relationship with his father that was

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suffering. Sam was offered multiple athletic
scholarships, but his father would not hear

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of it. He insisted Sam carry
on the family trade of becoming an osteopathic

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doctor in the mid nineteen forties.
After graduation, Sam headed to Hanover College,

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completing his medical school preparation course in
just two years. Throughout Sam's undergraduate

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career, his dynamic with Marylyn became
rocky. Their partnership went through waxing and

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00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:08.000
waning periods, even leading to a
temporary breakup, but they always ended up

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back together to take on their next
challenge. At age twenty, Sam was

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accepted to the same medical school that
his father and two older brothers had attended,

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the College of Osteopathic Physicians and Surgeons
in Los Angeles, California. Marylyn

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moved to Los Angeles to be with
him and nudged Sam to do what any

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dignified man in his shoes should do. Propose living in sin was a no

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00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:42.000
no back then, so the two
were married on February twenty first, nineteen

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forty five. Their wedding was held
in a small chapel in Hollywood, California,

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and they didn't even honeymoon. Sam
was simply too busy with his classes.

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Interestingly, though Sam had plenty of
time for socializing. The couple quickly

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00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:06.319
befriended some of the area's most successful
doctors and their wives. Marilyn now had

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more important business to tend to.
She was pregnant with her first child.

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She was extremely concerned about the pregnancy
since her own mother had died while giving

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birth to Marylyn's younger brother, which
seriously traumatized Marilyn at the age of six,

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She may have been afraid she'd suffer
the same fate. Luckily, in

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May of nineteen forty seven, Maryland
delivered a healthy baby boy named Samuel Rhys

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Shepherd nicknamed Chip. Marylyn was mostly
alone, but hung on to lifelines by

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returning home to visit family in Cleveland
frequently. However, during one of her

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visits, she received a troubling letter
from Sam. He all but admitted to

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an affair and hinted he wanted a
divorce. Marylyn was enraged and went straight

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to his father, doctor Richard Sheppard, and showed him him this letter.

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His father was in disbelief. This
wasn't the boy he raised, and he

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intended to knock some sense into Sam. Richard ordered Sam back home at once,

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and when he arrived, his family
staged something of an intervention. They

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forced Sam to admit his indiscretions and
talk things out with his wife. The

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struggling couple agreed to continue on with
their marriage with some necessary changes, likely

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suggested by Maryland, that Sam would
have to leave Los Angeles he would come

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home and work for his father.
Sam reluctantly agreed. After all, he

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00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:45.840
obtained the necessary experience as a resident
in neurosurgery, so it was time to

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turn over a new leaf. The
Shepherds returned to Cleveland and Sam began his

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00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:55.320
first job at his father's osteopathic teaching
hospital. Shortly thereafter, at home in

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00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:00.719
Cleveland, Maryland discovered that she was
pregnant with their second child. In June

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00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:07.079
of nineteen fifty four. Observers would
say that Sam and Marylyn seemed more passionate

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00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.800
and happy than ever in their now
nine year marriage. Yet nothing is ever,

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00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:17.679
quite as it seems, behind closed
doors, a storm may very well

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have been brewing in the Shepherd household
on the morning of Saturday, July third,

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nineteen fifty four. That day,
Sam went off to work at the

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hospital, and afterwards Marylyn and Sam
had a pleasant evening planned. They had

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cocktails with their neighbors and friends at
their house, followed by a dinner that

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00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:43.440
Marylyn prepared, and by ten thirty
pm Marylyn was cleaning up, but the

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00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:49.039
night wasn't over yet. Sam sent
Chip to bed upstairs before returning to watch

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00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:53.360
the movie Strange Holiday. Their friends
would later recall that Marylyn was sitting on

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Sam's lap, which was the very
picture of a happily married couple. By

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00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.639
the time the credits rolled, both
thirty year old Sam and thirty one year

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00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.480
old Marylyn had dozed off. Sam
had fallen asleep downstairs on a day bed,

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while four month pregnant Marilyn woke up, walked her guests to the door

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00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.639
and said their goodbyes around twelve thirty
am. Whether Marilyn locked the door behind

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her or not will forever be shrouded
in mystery. As well as the events

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00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.760
of that tragic night. You can
be certain of one thing. By five

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o'clock am on the morning of July
fourth, nineteen fifty four, Marilyn Shepherd

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and her unborn baby were dead.
After everything their relationship had endured and hardships

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00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:43.199
overcome, the night of July third, nineteen fifty four would change everything.

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Doctor Sam Shepherd called his neighbor in
Bay Village, Mayor Spencer Howke, at

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five forty am on his landline phone. Sam cried, quote, my god,

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00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:58.159
Spence, get over here quick.
I think they've killed Marylyn. Unquote.

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00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.559
Spence and his wife Esther frantically got
dressed and drove down the street to

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00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:09.039
the Shepherd's house. They walked into
disarray. Sam was freaked out, shirtless

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00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:14.320
and had blood on his pants.
It was clear a struggle had taken place.

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The drawers of Sam's desk were pulled
out and his medical bag was turned

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upside down with equipment spelling out.
While Spencer spoke to Sam trying to assess

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the situation, Esther went upstairs looking
for her friend Marilyn. In the bedroom,

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she found her friend lying face up, half on and half off the

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bottom of her mattress, with her
feet almost touching the floor. Nearly unrecognizable.

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Her clothes had been partially removed,
exposing her bloody, severely wounded body.

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As a result of the brutal violence, Marilyn had lost too much blood.

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00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.840
It also appeared as if Marilyn had
dragged a blanket over herself in her

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00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:00.639
final moments, and her wounded face
was turned towards the door, as if

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00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:07.159
she'd been begging for help downstairs.
Spence called police and was questioning a disoriented

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00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.199
Sam. Sam claimed he heard Marilyn
cry for help, and he tried to

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00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:16.599
make it upstairs, but he was
having serious trouble recalling much more. Still,

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he'd have to try his best to
scrape together an account of that night.

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Shortly after six o'clock in the morning, Officer Fred Dranken arrived at the

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home, and he wanted answers,
so Sam recounted his story as best as

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he could remember. It went like
this. Early on the morning of July

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fourth, Sam fell asleep on his
living room day bed. Marilyn had been

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00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:46.039
close to him with her friends Don
and Nancy in the early morning hours.

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Sam, evidently a deep sleeper,
woke up alone in the living room.

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He heard screams coming from upstairs,
so he climbed the steps to figure out

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what was happening. This is where
his memory gets fuzzy. Sam claimed to

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00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:06.920
have encountered a white, bushy haired
biped form. His terminology here is a

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00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.639
bit unsettling. After all, a
white bipedform sounds more like an alien than

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00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:16.320
a person. Court documents have seemingly
ruled out the non human possibility, as

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00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:22.400
Sam never fully clarified what he meant
with his description of his attacker. The

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00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.800
attacker most likely hit Sam with his
fists as soon as he entered the bedroom

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00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.800
to check on Marylyn. Sam was
knocked out cold, and when he came

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00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.119
to, he saw Marilyn on the
bed, seemingly dead. After he checked

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00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.840
for a pulse full of adrenaline,
Sam hastily checked on Chip, who was

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00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.920
thankfully sound asleep. At this point, Sam heard loud noises in the kitchen

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and flew downstairs to pursue it,
before chasing the figure with bushy hair and

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a limp out the kitchen door.
The two ran to the nearby beach of

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00:40:53.280 --> 00:41:00.199
Lake Erie, where Sam grappled with
the figure before getting knocked out again once

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00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.639
again. When he woke up,
the intruder had vanished. The statement felt

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00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:09.159
vague to police who needed a lead
they could run with. Sam's foggy memory

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00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:15.280
simply didn't seem to have the information
they needed. It wasn't hard to understand

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00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.119
why, according to his account,
since he had been struck hard on the

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00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.039
head twice, which could very well
have left him concussed. Yeah, concussions

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00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:29.440
can often lead to short term memory
loss. It's tough to say whether Sam

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00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.800
was telling the truth about his memory
lapse. I mean, memories can become

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00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:40.679
hazy after less intense concussions too,
but people usually recover later with relative clarity.

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Sam would have had to experience very
serious head trauma to completely forget the

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00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:53.599
entire night. We also know that
as horrible as Marilynd's murder was, Sam

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00:41:53.679 --> 00:42:00.880
actually did suffer serious injuries himself.
But to many of the officers, Sam's

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00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:07.039
vague recollection seemed more like an attempt
to withhold self incriminating information. Could he

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00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:15.199
have inflicted these injuries on himself or
maybe Maryland fought back and inflicted defense injuries

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00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:21.639
to Sam. She had multiple wounds
to her hands as well. She even

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had a finger almost torn off.
Two homicide detectives were called to the scene,

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00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.400
but the case kicked into high gear
when county Coroner doctor Samuel Gerber showed

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00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.920
up. Doctor Gerber was quite familiar
with doctor Sam Shepherd. Doctor Gerber was

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no fan, though. What's more, doctor Gerber was also nursing political ambitions

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00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:49.719
and hoped to gain enough popularity to
run for mayor of Cleveland. He likely

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00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.159
knew that after the grisly murder of
Marilyn Shepherd, the public would be desperate

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for answers. It was the perfect
opportunity to display his investigative ability. So

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00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.320
when doctor Gerber arrived just before eight
o'clock that morning, he quickly shoved out

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00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:09.719
the bystanders and began his own assessment. He surely wouldn't be guided by the

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00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:16.119
police officers, who believed Sam's disorderly
desk and medical bag pointed to attempted robbery.

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He immediately let the crime scene be
contaminated, took away Marylyn's body,

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and concluded that Sam got pissed off
that Marilyn was smoking and lost it.

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And when two young boys found a
small green cloth bag of what appeared to

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be stolen items in the backyard bushes, his theory grew even more viable.

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00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:44.159
It contained Sam's watch, his key
ring, which was usually in his pants

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00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:49.719
pocket and his black ONYX class ring
which was cracked. Could this have been

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00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:54.199
staged? But then there was the
question of Marylyn's brutal beating. It seemed

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00:43:54.239 --> 00:44:00.239
hard to believe that a simple thief
would have beaten her so severely. Was

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00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:06.320
she raped? A swab was taken, but wouldn't come in handy until decades

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00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:13.679
later. A second theory was generated, one coroner Gerber found quite compelling.

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00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:20.199
A rumor spread that Sam was sterile
from years of working too close to an

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00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:27.400
X ray machine, and the baby
Marilyn carried belonged to none other than Mayor

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00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:34.159
Spencer Hauk. To keep his wife
from spilling the secret, Sam offed her,

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00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.360
and now the press ran with every
rumor they could find, dragging the

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00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:45.079
once glorified doctor Shepherd right through the
mud and putting pressure on the police to

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00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:52.519
drop the burglary gone wrong theory.
With a botched investigation to pursue the idea

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00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:57.599
that Sam Shepherd killed his wife,
and within hours of the murder, Rookie

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00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.119
detectives showed up at the hospital where
Sam was being treated for his concussion.

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00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.480
They questioned him for only ten minutes. When Sam hired a lawyer. The

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00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:13.119
next day, the situation flared the
press. Hounding was so bad they decided

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00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:17.400
to keep his son Chip home from
Maryland's funeral. Sam attended in a wheelchair,

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00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.320
and even as he laid flowers on
his wife's grave, reporters and photographers

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00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:29.480
scrutinized his every move. One article
in the Cleveland newspaper reported that Sam's jaw

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00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:34.239
was visibly swollen, he wore a
neck brace, and he couldn't fully open

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00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:38.159
one of his eyes. The article
stated that Sam cried and silently mouthed his

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00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:44.280
wife's name as she was lowered into
the ground. Sam was still injured and

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00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.000
grieving and couldn't catch a break.
A week later, when he returned to

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00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:53.039
work at the hospital, the media
claimed his grief had been unauthentic. To

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00:45:53.119 --> 00:46:00.159
make matters worse, the Cleveland Press
ran an editorial calling the coroner's office to

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00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:06.519
pull their resources and crack down on
Maryland's murder. Coroner Gerber gladly obliged.

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00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.159
He could have easily interviewed his prime
suspect in private and left it at that.

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00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.639
Instead, he held an inquest and
opened the doors to the town.

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In late July, spectators gathered in
a local High School Gymnasium. As doctor

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00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:28.280
Gerber dove deep into Sam's shameful past, there was no shortage of scandal.

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00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:34.559
His questions quickly turned to Sam and
Maryland's intimate life, Sam's alleged sterility,

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00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:39.360
and finally, his affair with Susan
Hayes. Once subpoenaed, Sam was officially

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00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:45.719
interrogated for five and a half hours. Some of Sam's family members tried to

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00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.039
speak in his defense. As a
matter of fact, they were booed at

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00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.599
the end of it all, and
doctor Gerber released his inevitable conclusion, Doctor

607
00:46:54.639 --> 00:47:01.079
Samuel Shepherd was Marilyn Shepherd's killer.
Case closed. This official statement allowed the

608
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:07.880
press to abandon any pretext of objectivity, and an alarming amount of newspapers openly

609
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:15.119
called for his arrest. Rumors and
gossip continued to fly. By July thirtieth,

610
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:22.000
nineteen fifty four, Cleveland residents received
their morning paper with the headline why

611
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:27.880
Isn't Sam Shepherd in jail? Under
pressure, the detective got a warrant and

612
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.800
headed to the Shepherd home. At
about ten thirty p m. On July

613
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:37.559
thirtieth, they arrested Sam and charged
him with first degree murder. The fate

614
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.719
of the famed doctor turned killer now
tethered in the hands of the court,

615
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:49.599
which turned out to be a complete
and utter three ring circus. Join us

616
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.800
over at Enmeshed to continue this detailed, infamous story of love gone fatally wrong

617
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:59.800
or did it? We will guide
you through seventy years of speculation, a

618
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:05.320
corrupt trial, a successful appeal,
a son fighting to save his father's reputation

619
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.719
to this day, and a new
viable suspect. With the use of DNA

620
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:15.119
forensic science will lead to new discoveries
and startling evidence. We'll see you there

621
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:21.639
for the conclusion to this tragic love
story. Thanks for listening, and remember

622
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:28.199
some of the most poisonous people come
disguised as family. Thanks Amanda, I'm

623
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.920
Pam for that super interesting case.
It's one that's always fascinated me. But

624
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.480
let's move on to year four.
Year four is presented to us by two

625
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.159
men from Florida who cover a large
array of cases. Crimes, Killers,

626
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.599
colts and Beer, hosted by Bill
and Paul, remind us that even though

627
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.559
the actions of su dirtbags may make
us laugh, there is nothing funny about

628
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:52.800
being betrayed by a loved one.
Hey, everybody, my name is Bill

629
00:48:53.360 --> 00:49:00.599
and Ample, and together we are
Crimes Killers, Goats and b We're a

630
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:05.679
true crime comedy podcast and we've got
a very crazy episode for you for this

631
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:09.360
Valentine's Day shindig. And first off, I want to say thank you for

632
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:14.440
varied motives for including us in this. But you can you can find our

633
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:20.159
You can find our feed on at
ckcppodcast dot com or wherever you get your

634
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.239
podcast from everything. We're also on
YouTube. All that's linked, everything is

635
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:29.719
all the socials. All everything's linked
at ckcbpodcast dot com. This is kind

636
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:30.719
of a long WITHT, so let's
just dive right into it. What do

637
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.440
you think, Paul, Oh yes, let's do it all right. We're

638
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.480
both from Florida. We're too crazy
Florida man drinking beer and talking about true

639
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:44.039
crime. And this is a Florida
case and it doesn't get much more Florida

640
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:49.960
than this case. Oh yeah.
Dallia and Mike Dippolito is who recovering.

641
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.480
You might be familiar with this,
but anyway, Dahlia is a woman who

642
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:58.400
was set to prison because she tried
to hire a hitman to kill her new

643
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.920
husband, Mike Dippolto. Mike was
an ex con who had served prison time.

644
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:06.880
He had been released on probation for
a stockbroad It was a ponzi scheme

645
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.880
run by the mob for selling foreign
currency to people and not delivering. In

646
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:14.800
two thousand and two, he was
arrested and charged with fraud. He served

647
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:20.239
two years, but he was given
twenty eight years probation. That it's a

648
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.840
long time. That is a long
time. He's now trying to keep his

649
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:28.239
nose clean and live a straight life
as a legitimate business man. Mike was

650
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:34.800
born December eighteenth, nineteen seventy.
When he met Dahlia, he was already

651
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.480
married, although it wasn't that good
of a marriage. His first wife,

652
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:43.159
Maria, was a very good wife
who stood stood by Michael even when he

653
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:47.840
went to prison. Right. Yeah, you can't ask for a better wife

654
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:53.119
than that. True, But didn't
care about that. Had his heart set

655
00:50:53.159 --> 00:51:00.840
somewhere else. Yeah, well,
not his heart exactly. Yeah. Dahlia

656
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:06.159
was born Dahlia Mohammed in New York
City on October eighteenth, nineteen eighty two.

657
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.039
When she was thirteen, her family
moved her to Boyton Beach, Florida.

658
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:15.280
She graduated high school in two thousand
and began to try to get a

659
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:20.599
real estate license. She was moonlighting
as a stripper and as an escort.

660
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:25.920
Mike meets Dahlia through this escort service
or escort business. They actually hit it

661
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.480
off for real and began spending all
their time together. Love at first sight,

662
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:37.119
They fell in love, and Mike
quickly divorced Maria. Yeah right and

663
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:45.920
Maria and married Dahlia five idiot The
divorce was final. Ah. They married

664
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.039
in February two thousand and nine,
less than a month after Mike told Maria

665
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:55.320
he wanted a divorce. Mike had
gotten Dahlia a twenty five thousand dollars ring,

666
00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.800
engagement ring that matter on top to
just the top off. That was

667
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.960
the ry. It's not very bright. You don't marry an active escort.

668
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:10.239
I mean maybe escort later later on
after she's not doing it anymore. No,

669
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.519
but while she's in the business,
you don't do it. Yeah,

670
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:19.039
stay away from that. Yeah.
Does a does a chef want to come

671
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:23.800
home and cook after being at work
all day? Absolutely? And read between

672
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:27.880
the lines there. So everything was
going well, you know, the couple,

673
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.320
they were attached at the hip and
they were super romantic, making out

674
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.800
all the time wherever they went,
they're leaving love letters to each other.

675
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.679
Mike would take her out to expensive
restaurants and nightclubs, and he even got

676
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.960
a remembership at one of the top
gyms in the area. But as it

677
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.360
never is, all was not well. One evening, while Mike and Delly

678
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:50.400
were out at a restaurant. On
their way home, Mike is pulled over

679
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.920
and his car was searched. He
was suspected of drug trafficking. They found

680
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:59.239
a small amount of cocaine and a
pack of cigarettes in his car. This

681
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.440
alone would violate his probation, but
Mike managed to convince the police it was

682
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:08.840
not his cocaine, and it wasn't. Police received another anonymous tip that you

683
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:13.599
know, multiple anonymous tips that Mike
was dealing drugs. You know. At

684
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.119
one point, the police and Mike's
probation officer showed up his house with a

685
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:21.719
search warrant and they found absolutely nothing. In July of two thousand and nine,

686
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:27.239
Mike actually transferred the title of his
house to Dalia to protect himself in

687
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:31.320
case he got arrested. But unbeknownst
to Mike, it was his loving bride

688
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:40.280
who was attempting to frame him.
August fifth, two thousand and nine.

689
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:45.159
Deally was at a gym that morning, as was normal, she got a

690
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:51.079
phone call from the Boyton Beach Police
Seargeant Frank Renzi. He told her she

691
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:55.000
needed to come home immediately because something
had happened. What happened? When she

692
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:59.480
got home, she was told that
her husband, Mike Mikey, had been

693
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:05.360
murdered. She broke down into hysterics. She was so historical she couldn't even

694
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:10.559
let the cops get a word historical, historia, hysterical and historian. Just

695
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:15.920
wait, well, she made history. News crews were outside and the area

696
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:22.719
was closed off with crime scene tape. They told her that there had been

697
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:27.079
an incident, was shot fired and
they had found Michael on the floor dead

698
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:31.159
shot in the head. But when
when police arrived on the scene, the

699
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:36.199
door was open, suggesting a robbery
gone wrong. Dahlia was shrieking like a

700
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.880
banshee upon hearing the news, and
they just asked her to sit in one

701
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:43.159
of their cars to compose herself,
but all she did was shriek, saying

702
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:47.239
they wanted her husband. This was
not a robbery gone wrong, although the

703
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:52.639
police had spun it that way to
Dahlia. Police questioned her asking if anyone

704
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:59.519
had a vendetta against Mike. She
said no. They started telling her specifics

705
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:04.360
of crime. At the police station. The police said that there was no

706
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.280
sign of forced entry enough he'd been
stolen. So the police adjusted maybe Mike

707
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.639
had led his murder into the house, and Dahlia brought into this saying Mike

708
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.920
would have let in somebody that he
didn't know, so he had to have

709
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:20.280
done the killer. Police throughout another
another theory, maybe it was one of

710
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:24.280
the people whom Mike had scanned.
She kept on saying she didn't know for

711
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:30.079
sure, only that it was possible. At this point, police are just

712
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:31.719
trying to get her to slip up. But the whole scene at the house

713
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:36.119
was set up by the Boyt and
Beach Police Department. But she wasn't given

714
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.280
up anything but police for appearance's sake, they put out an APB for a

715
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:44.559
black man and that's what they told
Dallia. Later in the day, they

716
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.400
told Dahlia that they had a suspect
and custody and they actually brought this black

717
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.559
man into the interrogation room and they
asked her if she had ever seen her

718
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:57.480
before, but she said no.
They told Dahlia that they had found a

719
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.719
video of the man hashing out plans
for Mike's murder. They had made a

720
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:05.840
crappy audio of the man saying it
would be a robbery gone bad and he

721
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:09.159
would take care of it the next
day. Voice on the recording matched the

722
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:13.239
voice of the suspect and custody.
They just needed to interrogate him, hoping

723
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:15.920
they'd cough up the name of the
person who had ordered to hit. But

724
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.159
then they told Dalia that this man
was in fact not a suspect, It

725
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:25.360
was undercover officer named Whitty John,
and that there was video that accompanied the

726
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.639
audio and it had caught the person
who was in the car with the officer.

727
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.920
Dalia had doubled down on saying she
had no idea who would want Mike

728
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.719
dead. The officer then said then
said they knew the identity of this person

729
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:45.159
talking to Officer John. It was
none other than Dahlia herself, saying she

730
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:50.000
was okay with the she was okay
with the plan, and to get on

731
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.119
with it. Whitty John said,
once the conversation was over, there would

732
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:58.920
be no going back. Dalias said
she was one hundred percent sure wanted this

733
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:01.400
hit to happen. Prior to all
this, an ex boyfriend of Dahlia's,

734
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:07.360
Mohammed, she had had come to
them with the information. With information Dahlia

735
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:13.199
had contacted him about hooking up again. But you know, she wanted more

736
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:17.679
than the sex. She wanted Muhammad
to help her kill Mike. They told

737
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:22.840
him to call Dahlia and to tell
her that he could get it in touch

738
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:27.800
with somebody who can help. And
he did, and he said that the

739
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.199
hitman would be calling her later that
day. The supposed hitman was the undercover

740
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:36.679
officer Woody John, and they set
up a meeting. But prior to that

741
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:42.960
the car had been bugged with audio
and video recording equipment. And then she

742
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:49.039
agreed. She agreed to the price
and the plan. John told her to

743
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.199
be out of the house by six
am so she wouldn't be there when he

744
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:58.800
did it. She went to the
gym, thinking she had a rock solid

745
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:02.719
alibi as soon and as she left, officers who were staking out the house

746
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:08.880
went inside to stage the scene.
The camera crew wasn't wasn't from the news

747
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:14.880
network. Take a guess, guys, take a guess, bad boys,

748
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:19.119
bad boy, What you gonna do? What you gonna do? When they

749
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:23.760
come for you. Yeah, yeah, the TV show. This story aired

750
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:29.320
on the show. But once everything
was set up, they called Dahlia and

751
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:40.039
told her to come home, and
that's when the screeching reaction happened. She

752
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:44.840
kept on insisting that she was innocent, and at that point she was arrested

753
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:51.960
for solicitation of first degree murder.
She was cupped and the police drop yet

754
00:58:52.000 --> 00:59:01.599
another bombshell. Mike walked into the
interrogation room. He had been watching the

755
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:07.760
whole time. He was shocked and
pissed, but maintained his composure. Dahlia

756
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:14.719
freaked out, acting like she was
the lad that he was alive. She

757
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:16.559
was just like, oh, come
come here, come here, Mike,

758
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:22.239
come here, come here. Eli
was taking it to the county jail and

759
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:28.400
the whole thing was filmed on cops. The whole time, she kept repeating,

760
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:34.199
I didn't do anything. I didn't
do anything. She must have sat

761
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.119
out a thousand times. Yeah,
this is a national story. It was

762
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.559
huge and everybody was eating it up, and they still didn't positively know who

763
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:45.079
had planted the drugs on Mike.
Charli began and the possible The prosecutor said

764
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.000
that it was a ruse to get
Mike out of the way, and you

765
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.840
know, so that she could have
his house and all of his money to

766
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.760
himself. And this video, all
the video evidence that they had was played

767
00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:00.119
out in court. Yeah, and
the defense said that there was a lack

768
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:06.679
of motive. She had recently given
him ninety thousand dollars for the rest for

769
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:13.360
the restitution. The prosecutors put Mike
on the stand. Mike said that she

770
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.679
was supposed to combine her money with
his and send it to Mike's lawyer.

771
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:23.440
H what the lawyer's saying, lawyer
never got a penny. Dalia pocketed it,

772
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:30.760
of course she did. The defense
said that the real perpetrators for whoever

773
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:36.000
had planted the drugs, to which
the prosecutor said, nope, Dahlia did

774
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:42.400
that too. But then the defense
to the most ridiculous hail Mary pass of

775
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.920
all. This was all orchestrated by
Mike because he wanted to be a reality

776
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:52.079
TV star, and he used and
they used the Cops TV show as evidence.

777
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.960
He and Dahlia knew that the TV
show had been filming in the area,

778
01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:00.639
so they came up with the story. As Mike's kick at the start

779
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:06.719
up. Dahalia played her part perfectly, but Mike called it audible by reporting

780
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:12.320
her to get her the hell out
of his life. Then they brought up

781
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:17.079
the criminal past, saying that Mike
was a liar. Both sides rested and

782
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:28.599
the jury they liberated for just two
hours and the verdict guilty bumbone solicitation to

783
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:36.719
commit first degree murder. She was
sentenced to twenty years in prison. She

784
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:40.239
appealed the sentence and it was changed
to arrest. Pentagony a trial in twenty

785
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.880
fourteen, and appeals judge said that
Dahlia's case had been handled improperly due to

786
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:54.519
the fact that one perspective juror had
said that she had read that that Dahlia

787
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:59.719
had tried to poison Mike. The
trial had a hung jury and the new

788
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:02.880
day was set still on house arrest. She got on prison tender and found

789
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:07.280
a new boyfriend. She got pregnant
and the son who now lives with the

790
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:15.000
mother. I mean twenty seventeen,
the trial concluded and she was sentenced to

791
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:20.159
sixteen years in prison. Her attorneys
were trying to get this case to the

792
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.599
Supreme Court, but they were but
the Supreme Court refused to hear it,

793
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:28.400
and attorneys to this day are still
clamoring to get her released, and she

794
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:35.360
is at the Lowell Correctional Facility in
Okalla, Florida. Mike later on,

795
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:39.840
you know, he's trying to keep
his nose clean and everything. He's yeah,

796
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:43.760
he hasn't paid back the debt to
his victims, so he's still on

797
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.920
probation, but he's he's working on
it. At least he's alive, and

798
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:51.880
he's found a new wife as well. You know, popably he didn't meet

799
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:59.880
her through an escort service, right, So anyway, thanks for listening,

800
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:04.199
and if you want to hear our
entire episode, I believe it is episode

801
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:10.880
ninety on our podcast. So so
anyway, check us out. Thanks for

802
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.440
listening, and thanks once again to
Buried Motives for having us on for this.

803
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:22.400
And yeah, hopefully we'll see you
in the comments on our page.

804
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:29.719
So thank you for listening. Say
leta wow, Dalia really thought she had

805
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:34.480
everyone fooled good things she didn't.
That was a really wild case. Thanks

806
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.400
to Bill and Paul for bringing it
to us. We hope that you are

807
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:42.079
enjoying our Broken Hearts collaboration thus far. There are still some exciting cases to

808
01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:45.239
come, and Brandon Hall knows all
about excitement. He is a nine to

809
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:51.079
one one dispatcher and brings a responder's
perspective as he breaks down a new nine

810
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:54.360
to one one call each episode on
his podcast Music City nine one one.

811
01:03:54.880 --> 01:04:11.440
The case Brandon is sharing with us
today represents year five as a NW on

812
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.199
one dispatcher for the past twenty four
years, you might imagine that I've heard

813
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:21.159
a lot in my time, really, just about anything that comes to mind.

814
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:27.639
I've dealt with it before, but
every once in a while, a

815
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:32.239
call comes in that boggles the mind. After nearly a quarter of a century

816
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.519
with a dispatch headset on, there
are still calls that happen that makes you

817
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:45.440
wonder, how do people end up
like this? On February twenty fifth,

818
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.960
twenty twenty, the communications section of
the Winter Park, Florida Police Department received

819
01:04:49.960 --> 01:05:01.519
one of those calls. Nine one
one, What is the location of your

820
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:09.119
emergency for seven four eight France Court
Apartment three for seven four eight, what's

821
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:15.400
the street name? France f r
A n TV and the apartment number three?

822
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:23.400
As a sup police on Medico,
my boyfriend is dead. You can

823
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:43.199
send the line for the fun apartment
will not hang up risk It's the location

824
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:49.559
Murphy's don't leave for seven four eight
France Lane, Apartment three, France Court,

825
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:57.920
France Court. Yes, okay,
you just near McKenzie Drive. I

826
01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:08.280
don't know where that is. I
kill what park apartments? Okay? Four

827
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:12.119
seven four eight friends? Correct?
Correct? All right? Correct? Now

828
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.000
tell me exactly what happened there.
My boys and I were playing last night,

829
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.480
and I'm like, good. I
put him in a case when we

830
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:21.960
were playing, and he's like kind
of hide and seek kind of thing.

831
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:28.199
So I fell asleep and I woke
up and he was dead in the suitcase.

832
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.000
So I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened, right,

833
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:35.480
Okay, what's the apartment number three? I don't know, man,

834
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:40.480
apartment three? Yes, Like he
has like blood coming out of his mouth,

835
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:44.079
and I don't know, like he
had like an angerys what right?

836
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:45.880
Okay? All right, okay,
listen, we're getting here about ot all

837
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:49.599
right, okay, okay, now, okay four old yeah, man,

838
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:51.320
listen, we're on our way out
there to ye. You had four oh

839
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:56.960
seven seven one six eight eight?
Okay, he hanging from somewhere? What

840
01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:00.880
man? No, I pulled him
out of the suitcase. I tried to

841
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:05.360
giving him CPR. Okay, so
he's he was in a suitcase. Yes,

842
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:11.159
and I fell asleep. Okay.
How old is how old is he?

843
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:15.000
Working man? Forty three year old? Man? All right? Okay,

844
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:16.360
where we're sitting here, we're starting
to help out the shan staying away

845
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:20.199
out there. Yes, I'm sorry, yeah, okay, all right,

846
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:24.000
listen to me. Okay, that
that you see that you need to confirm

847
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:26.320
this, well, that's right,
and I understand you need to confirm this.

848
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:28.840
Is he easy? Awake at all? Is he conscious at all?

849
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:33.559
No? He's purple? Is he
breathing? No? All right, I

850
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:35.440
need you to get I need you
to get him on the floor flat in

851
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:38.880
his back and forth you okay,
I did, I did. I tried

852
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:44.159
giving him CPR. All right,
I tried giving him CPR. Yeah,

853
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:46.599
okay, we will happened. He's
purple. Okay, listen to me.

854
01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:48.800
He did a deffimulator, but it
was I need you to get it for

855
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:54.320
me. Okay, you have an
AED available? No, all right?

856
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:58.320
Do you write by him now?
I'm sorry? Are you right by him

857
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.519
now? Yes? Okay? Okay, lay flat? Okay man man,

858
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:08.559
ma'am listen. So this is the
easy cold and stiff. Yes, okay,

859
01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:12.760
that's necessarily cold. Okay, right, okay, all right, listen

860
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:14.719
to me. Listen, listen to
me. I want you to lay and

861
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.079
flatter his back from me on the
floor, removing the pillows. Okay,

862
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:21.560
yes, all right, okay,
with and purple all right, okay,

863
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:25.399
listen, okay, man, that's
fine. We're still going to compressions to

864
01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:28.800
him. Okay, all right.
Place the heel of your hand on his

865
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:30.920
breastbone, right the center of the
chest, right between the nipples. But

866
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:35.479
you have add on top of that
hand. Just look at him. Tell

867
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:43.520
okay, man, twe okay,
you're gurgles, okay, okay, listen

868
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:45.880
to me. All right, I
want to play. I want you to

869
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:48.159
place the heel of your hand,
okay, rebut raby in his chest,

870
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:51.159
rebit in his breastbones. With the
other put your other hand on top of

871
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:55.640
that hand. We want we want
to pump his chest to me, hard

872
01:08:55.640 --> 01:09:00.880
and fast, going to this twice
per second. I'm doing it again.

873
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:02.600
Okay, no, no, just
keep on pumping. That's all you need

874
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:05.880
to do for me. Keep on
pumping his chance for me. I don't

875
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:09.680
need you to stop and talk or
anything. I just want you to conno

876
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:15.600
loud for me. Okay. One
two, three, four, five,

877
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:21.520
six, seven, eight nine,
ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,

878
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:27.960
fourteen, fifteen. This is this
is nice. Okay, man, just

879
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:30.079
keep on pumping his chest. That's
all you need to do for me.

880
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:34.079
Okay, Yes, hurry up,
okay, ma'am, ma'am, they're driving

881
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:36.600
as fast as they can. Okay, don't stop to say hurry up.

882
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:45.159
Just keep on pumping and counting.
Okay, okay, still doing it all

883
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:46.399
right, Just keep just continue pumping
chest. Conod, I'll tak it.

884
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:51.960
Come with you. One two,
three, four, five, six,

885
01:09:53.520 --> 01:10:00.520
seven, eight nine from eleven,
twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

886
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:06.239
sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two,

887
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:12.479
twenty three, twenty four, twenty
five, twenty six, twenty seven,

888
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:17.640
twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty
thirty one, thirty two three three.

889
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:20.239
Okay, man, they're getting there
as fast as they can. Okay,

890
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:27.359
he's stiff and he's hurtfle Okay,
keep pumping his chant for me,

891
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:34.479
ma'am. I'm still doing it.
Okay, still doing it all right.

892
01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:36.479
Okay, that's fine, just the
unit of good job. Just keep on

893
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:39.840
doing it for me. That's all
right, they're getting there as fast as

894
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:45.760
they can, along with the Sheriff's
office. Also, okay, okay,

895
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:56.479
keep on pumping mane two three four
one two three four one two three four.

896
01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:58.760
Keep on pumping for me, ma'am. I'm not doing it. I'm

897
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:02.319
doing it, man, I'm doing
it. Okay. We're playing see up

898
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:10.560
all right, I understand it,
all right. Just keep on pumping for

899
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:18.760
me, okay, okay, hurry
right, okay, horrible, it's this

900
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:30.640
horrific. What happened? Like what
happened? Okay, man, Just keep

901
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:32.560
on pumping his chests for me.
Okay. They're they're in they're they're in

902
01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:41.479
the pocket. They should be up
there shortly. Okay. I'm still doing

903
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:45.600
it. Okay, all right,
okay. Good And you called him in

904
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:50.000
a suitcase? He said, yes, we're playing hide and seek last night.

905
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:56.479
I thought, awe, I think
they're here. All right, Just

906
01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:00.279
keep on pumping his hits until they
over. I am okay, okay,

907
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:21.039
I am, okay, I am
open. Come in. Can I stop

908
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:30.399
laping now? Let them take of
them for you. Okay. What was

909
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:38.279
the last time anybody saw him?
The last night here? Let's okay,

910
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:41.720
yeah, okay, But unfortunately I
need to sit down too large. It's

911
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:55.000
not the closing. Sarah Boone and
George Torres started dating somewhere around the beginning

912
01:12:55.039 --> 01:13:00.760
of twenty seventeen. After just three
months, they moved in together. You

913
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.239
would think living together after such a
short courtship would mean there's a whole lot

914
01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:09.600
of love in that relationship. How
did this simple game of hide and seek

915
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:15.319
that Sarah claimed to have been playing
turn deadly? Medics and police arrived at

916
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:19.720
the scene and quickly determined, despite
Sarah's efforts at CPR, that George was

917
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:26.439
too far gone. He was already
dead and likely had been for several hours.

918
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:30.920
Sarah and George had been drinking together, one of their favorite activities.

919
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.680
Somewhere during the night, George managed
to fit himself inside of a suitcase.

920
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:41.600
It seems pretty doubtful that this was
something like hide and seek, though,

921
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:45.760
since to my knowledge, there's no
way to fully zip up a suitcase from

922
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:51.560
the inside, Sarah would have had
to have helped zipn men. She said

923
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:56.079
that she went to the bedroom and
fell asleep forgetting that he was in the

924
01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:00.479
luggage, only to wake up between
ten and twelve hours later to find him

925
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:04.000
lifeless. While she tried her best
to sound very innocent on the phone with

926
01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:09.720
police and fire dispatchers, as well
as when police started questioning her. The

927
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:15.800
truth was soon found out. Sarah
was brought to the police station for further

928
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.760
interviews, asking about what had happened
and what led up to George's death.

929
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:27.159
They talked about their lengthy problems in
the past. Their relationship was not as

930
01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.439
grand and loving as you would think. George had been arrested three or four

931
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:35.560
separate times for assault on Sarah.
She had been arrested for strangling him.

932
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:41.479
When George was found in the suitcase, he had scratches on various parts of

933
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:45.319
his body. When questioned about that, Sarah said that she didn't know how

934
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:49.720
they got there, but also that
he was notorious for walking into walls.

935
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:55.399
She also talked about his drinking problems, that she didn't want to drink like

936
01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:59.520
him, and that the night of
the incident she didn't have that much to

937
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:03.680
drink. She also mentioned that she
had several videos and pictures of him acting

938
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:09.960
horribly. She was questioned further about
videos on her phone, ask if she

939
01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.800
had taken any pictures or video of
the day of the game of hide and

940
01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:15.720
seek. She said she only may
have taken a picture of a dog,

941
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:23.159
nothing else, But detectives had already
looked at her phone. They knew the

942
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:29.760
truth. She had taken two videos
of George when he was in the suitcase,

943
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:34.239
and in these videos, her level
of sober doesn't match with her previous

944
01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:39.239
statement of not having much to dream. I'll play some of the audio from

945
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:47.800
one of those videos now. So
for everything you've done to me, So

946
01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:58.920
for everything you've done to me,
So fuck you, so fuck you,

947
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:12.000
stupid Sarah. That's my name.
Don't wear it not, Sarah. I

948
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:16.279
can't breathe, babe, Sara is
Yeah, that's when you do when you

949
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:28.800
trick me, Sarah, Sarah,
Sarah, Sarah. I can't breathe,

950
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:33.399
babe, that's on you. Sarah. I can't breathe. That's on you,

951
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:45.359
Sarah real rounds and I want to
give it for it extra cause I

952
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:57.239
got this Sarah real Sarah. I
can't believe. Oh, that's what I

953
01:16:57.239 --> 01:17:01.560
feel like when you ching on me. Sarah, I'm like you and Sarah,

954
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:17.760
Yeah, he's tryingly shut the book
up. Sarah had been caught in

955
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:21.960
the middle of her lives. Not
only did she make those videos, they

956
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:27.560
were pretty damning. Her level of
drunkenness was pretty evident with her slurring of

957
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:33.680
words. Reading from the arrest Affidavid
George begs Sarah repeatedly telling her he could

958
01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:40.399
not breathe, and Sarah left him
in the suitcase, therefore proving the unlawful

959
01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:46.039
killing of George by Sarah's actions that
were eminently dangerous and demonstrated a depraved mine

960
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:53.319
without regard for George's life. Her
cell phone videos have been released and are

961
01:17:53.359 --> 01:18:00.600
available online. She was laughing as
George was taking his dying breaths. Regardless

962
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.920
of their past violence towards each other, Sarah has seemingly zipped herself in a

963
01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:10.000
suitcase in the form of prison.
She was arrested in charged with second degree

964
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:15.800
murder, and her trial date has
been moved back again to May thirteenth.

965
01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:19.199
If you'd like to hear more about
this case, including the police interviews,

966
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:29.159
look up the episode entitled Sarah Boone
released on January twenty ninth for Music City

967
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:36.359
Now on One. I'm Brandon,
and y'all have a good wow. Brandon,

968
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:41.680
that was a super chilling case.
It's fascinating hearing the nine one one

969
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.800
recordings. It really adds a different
element to the case, and listening to

970
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:49.960
Sarah Tauntum at the end was so
unnerving and that couple hadn't even spent that

971
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:54.840
much time together. True, they
were nowhere near the seven year itch.

972
01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:59.079
No, and that's what we're fast
approaching. By year six, you would

973
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:01.840
have hoped you had figured out how
to be with your significant other without becoming

974
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:06.399
a pair of uncontrollable dirt bags.
Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. For

975
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:12.800
this next segment, representing year six
is fellow Canadian podcasters Katie and Olivia,

976
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:17.000
hosts of Podcasts by Proxy. Hi
friends, I'm Katie and I'm Olivia and

977
01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:35.159
we are podcast by Proxy Canadian True
Crime. Welcome, We're live. Even

978
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:38.720
if you cut it out, I
have to do it. So we are

979
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:44.840
talking about the Ken and Barbie Killers
today Carla Hamolka and Paul Bernardo. They

980
01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:51.159
were active together between December nineteen ninety
and April of nineteen ninety two. Carla

981
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:56.680
and Paul were eventually caught and arrested
in nineteen ninety three, before Carla made

982
01:19:56.720 --> 01:20:01.039
what became famously known as the Deal
with the Devil, referencing a plea deal

983
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:06.279
she made with prosecutors in May of
nineteen ninety three. Paul was arrested in

984
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:11.920
February of nineteen ninety three for other
crimes in the Scarborough, Ontario area,

985
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:17.199
which became known as the Scarborough Rapist
attacks, and was eventually charmed charged as

986
01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:21.960
well with the crimes he and Carla
committed together. So we're going to do

987
01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:26.880
a brief overview of this case,
and then we actually do have a full

988
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:31.680
two part series on our main feed
podcast by Proxy from quite a while ago.

989
01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:34.840
I feel like we covered that case
what in twenty twenty one, so

990
01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:36.920
you might have to do this.
Oh yeah, it was like way way

991
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:40.359
back. You might have to do
some scrolling to get there. But there's

992
01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:46.399
a two a full two part episode
on Paul his Scarborough rapist stuff. Carla

993
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:53.000
and Paul together, But let's go
over them briefly now, if we have

994
01:20:53.079 --> 01:20:57.840
to, If we have to.
Carla and Paul met at a convention in

995
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:02.000
October of nineteen eighty seven, when
she was seventeen and he was twenty three.

996
01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:06.239
They immediately hit it off. According
to people who knew them at the

997
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:12.840
time. Paul, as we know
now, was very much actively committing crimes

998
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:17.039
in Scarborough already by this point,
unbeknownst to Carla from what we know.

999
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:24.359
Yeah, I don't think she knew
at this point. No, and she

1000
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:29.359
was, from what everyone said,
like incredibly infatuated with him. Oh,

1001
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:31.840
she had like some big old blinders
on, So I'm sure even though there

1002
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:39.439
was signs, she ignored them.
Carla and Paul were engaged by Christmas Eve

1003
01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:44.600
of nineteen eighty nine, and around
the same time, Paul was becoming obsessed

1004
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:47.359
with Carla's little sister, Tammy.
Carla went along with a lot of the

1005
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:54.039
inappropriate behavior Paul was showing toward her
sister Tammy, because, like we mentioned,

1006
01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:59.399
she had some love blinders on.
She considered Paul to be her king.

1007
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:03.720
Was gonna say she wanted to serve
him almost one hundred percent. And

1008
01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:08.760
we will talk about that being kind
of part of their wedding vows as well

1009
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:13.319
when they do eventually get married.
Yeah, and it, Yeah, it

1010
01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:16.920
definitely speaks to the dynamic in the
relationship. Yeah, it's definitely not balanced.

1011
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:21.399
No, Paul at this point was
starting to ask Carla to dress up

1012
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:28.720
in her sister's clothes and actually pretend
to be her during their sexual intercourse,

1013
01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.359
and the main reason that he was
so into her sister, Tammy was because

1014
01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:36.640
she was a virgin and Carla was
not. Yeah, and this was said

1015
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:41.600
to be actually like a big bone
of contention in their relationship, Like Paul

1016
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:45.520
was really pissed that he was not
the one to take her virginity. Oh

1017
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:53.479
yeah, he was just it almost
disgusted him. Yeah, Carla was willing

1018
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:57.399
to give Paul whatever he wanted to
satisfy his needs. And in July of

1019
01:22:57.479 --> 01:23:02.000
nineteen ninety, uh, dressing up
as Tammy was just kind of like not

1020
01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:06.920
doing it anymore for Paul. So
Carla stole valium from a vet clinic that

1021
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:12.600
she worked at, and the two
of them served Tammy a spaghetti dinner spiked

1022
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:17.279
with valuum, and when she was
unconscious enough, Paul proceeded to rape her

1023
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:23.880
before she began waking up. And
this was all recorded on videotape by Carla

1024
01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:31.079
mon Star, both of them,
especially her. Yeah, I mean,

1025
01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:36.880
like he's awful, but she was
very much a willing participant. Yeah.

1026
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:42.119
I don't know how you look yourself
in the eyes after you do something like

1027
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:46.399
that, and it only gets worse, I know. On December twenty third,

1028
01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:51.760
nineteen ninety, the Hamolka family hosted
a Christmas party, and this presented

1029
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:59.720
yet another opportunity for Paul to once
again force himself sexually on Tammy without her

1030
01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:05.119
nul. Carla snuck more drink at
drug sorry from the vet clinic, and

1031
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:13.760
this time she actually took animal tranquilizers
and sedatives and served Tammy alcoholic drinks spiked

1032
01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:17.159
with halothane, which at the time
was a drug that was used to provide

1033
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:23.520
general anesthesia. Yeah, it's like
still a pretty powerful drug. Like,

1034
01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:30.399
it's not something you mess with.
No. Once other family members had gone

1035
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.560
to bed or left, the couple
invited Tammy to the basement to watch a

1036
01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:40.680
movie where they both raped Tammy once
she became unconscious. This was also filmed,

1037
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:45.560
and the two are seen passing the
camera back and forth between each other.

1038
01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:50.479
As Tammy would begin to wake up, Carla would hold a halothane soaked

1039
01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:55.520
cloth over her mouth so that she
would like inhale it and pass out again,

1040
01:24:56.199 --> 01:25:01.159
and she like fumigated her Yeah,
oh my god. During this encounter

1041
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:06.039
in the early morning hours of December
twenty fourth, Tammy began to vomit and

1042
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:11.840
she ended up choking on her own
vomit because nobody was helping her. And

1043
01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:16.560
she died. Carla and Paul then
dressed Tammy, carried her to her bedroom,

1044
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:21.239
clean up the scene, and hid
the videotape. Nine one one was

1045
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:26.319
called and Paul told police he had
tried to revive Tammy but failed to do

1046
01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:31.359
so, and Tammy's death was actually
ruled an accident from over indulging in alcohol

1047
01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:36.199
and the drugs that were in her
system went undetected. Yeah, I think

1048
01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:40.279
if there was a logical reason at
the time, they would just kind of

1049
01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:45.880
let it go. And there wasn't, like science wasn't as advanced yet,

1050
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:49.000
it was still seven to ten years
out in a way, So yeah,

1051
01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:54.359
I think that's and like, honestly
a believable story. She was young,

1052
01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:58.319
we were partying, she over dragged
and she choked on her own vomit.

1053
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:03.920
Like it's not a not to believe, And the police didn't know everything that

1054
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:11.600
they would soon find out about Paul
at the time. Tammy actually had a

1055
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:14.840
chemical burn too on one side of
her face from like the hall of fan

1056
01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:18.720
soaked cloth, and Carla and Paul
told police it was a carpet burn from

1057
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:23.960
dragging her to the bedroom, and
police at the time did believe this story,

1058
01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:30.359
so and again like I don't think
nowadays it would ever be believed,

1059
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:34.000
but at the time I think it
was believable. Yeah. And if they

1060
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:41.039
had cleaned up well and done everything
to get the place back to what it

1061
01:26:41.279 --> 01:26:45.239
was, the police would have no
reason to believe she ever was anywhere else.

1062
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:49.520
Yeah. So Paul seemed very set
off by the death of Tammy.

1063
01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:56.520
This definitely triggered something in him obsessed
with her. Yeah. The couple moved

1064
01:26:56.560 --> 01:27:00.279
into their own house, so Carla
and Paul on February first of nineteen ninety

1065
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:04.600
one, and Paul was really blaming
Carla for the death of Tammy, mainly

1066
01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:11.520
complaining that she was no longer around
for him to enjoy sexually. Okay,

1067
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:17.600
this is when Carla offers to find
Paul virgins for him to enjoy. So

1068
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:23.399
she's recognizing that there's a need there
and she's willing to go fill it.

1069
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:27.920
Yeah, She's going above and beyond
to make sure that he is happy,

1070
01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:33.479
no matter the cost. Yeah.
The first victim that she brought home was

1071
01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:38.760
a teenager who she had worked with
at the pet store. This girl really

1072
01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:44.119
idolized Carla. This victim was treated
similarly to Tammy using hall Fane to knock

1073
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:49.119
her out while they viciously sexually assaulted
her and videotaped it. This victim woke

1074
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:54.000
up in the morning sick and sore, not really sure what happened, but

1075
01:27:54.079 --> 01:28:00.600
she did manage to survive and she
got away. In June of nightee ninety

1076
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:03.680
one, on the fifteenth, Paul
kidnapped fourteen year old Leslie Mahaffee on Keller

1077
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:08.920
Court in Burlington, Ontario. He
brought her back home to the house he

1078
01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:11.800
and Carla shared, and over a
period of a day and a half,

1079
01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:16.119
Paul and Carla both repeatedly raped Leslie, tortured her, and eventually killed her.

1080
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:21.520
This, of course, was all
documented on videotape, which would be

1081
01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:30.479
heavily used in court later. Yes
Good police eventually pulled seven blocks of concrete

1082
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:35.039
containing human remains out of the water
at Lake Gibson in Saint Catharine's, Ontario,

1083
01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:40.640
which is just under an hour from
where she was reported missing. Leslie's

1084
01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:47.720
braces and dental records are what ended
up identifying the remains as hers. Awful

1085
01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:56.000
June twenty ninth, nineteen ninety one, so this same day that Leslie's remains

1086
01:28:56.039 --> 01:29:01.880
were found in the lake, Carla
and Paul got married gross. During their

1087
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:09.560
vows, Paul insisted that Carla Carla's
vows include her to quote love, a

1088
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:14.119
promise to quote love, honor,
and obey him. Yeah. I was

1089
01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:17.079
pretty sure the word obey was going
to be in there. Yeah, and

1090
01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:26.039
that was like his insistence. Yeah, ladies, red flags watch for them.

1091
01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:30.880
Yeah. The power dynamic in this
is wild. However, Carla was

1092
01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:36.920
again very much a willing participant.
She wanted to love, honor and obey

1093
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:41.600
him. That is true. She
has a dark side too, and they

1094
01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:45.680
bonded over their dark sides, so
I agree She's not an innocent party in

1095
01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:50.800
any of this. Yeah. Fast
forward to April sixteenth, nineteen ninety two.

1096
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:56.119
Fifteen year old Kristen French is walking
home from Holy Cross Secondary School in

1097
01:29:56.199 --> 01:30:00.840
Saint Catharine's, Ontario, when she
is approached by Carla and Paul at the

1098
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:04.640
entrance to a church parking lot.
They tell her they need help with directions,

1099
01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:09.920
and while Kristin is helping Carla,
she's attacked from behind by Paul and

1100
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:15.560
forced into the car at knife point. Kristin was held captive and kept alive,

1101
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:20.960
tortured, humiliated, and abused for
three days of course, everything that

1102
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:28.039
was done to her was videotaped.
They eventually murdered her on April nineteenth,

1103
01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:31.159
nineteen ninety two, and her naked
body was found in a ditch along Number

1104
01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:38.840
one side Road in North Burlington on
April thirtieth of nineteen ninety two. These

1105
01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:45.960
people are just horrendous yep. May
of nineteen ninety two, they police actually

1106
01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:50.399
exhumed Leslie Mahaffey's remains, and this
is the first time that the murders are

1107
01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:56.039
officially linked, and a task force
is actually created between the Niagara Police and

1108
01:30:56.079 --> 01:31:02.880
the Halton Police because they found bruises
on Leslie Mahaffe's body that had similar wounds

1109
01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:06.319
to the ones found on the body
of Kristen Friends. They like bitemarks or

1110
01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:12.399
something, so they were confident they
were like the same person. Yeah,

1111
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:15.319
it was enough that they definitely knew
it was the same person, and so

1112
01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:23.000
they created a task force. Crazy. Yeah, well, clearly I'm not

1113
01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:27.319
right, So tune in to find
out what they do find. It's possible,

1114
01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:31.079
but this is just aview. January
of nineteen ninety three, Paul's abuse

1115
01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:34.159
towards Carla starts to get out of
hand and she actually ends up in the

1116
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:40.439
hospital because of it. She's admitted
to Saint Catherine's General on January sixth,

1117
01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:45.199
nineteen ninety three, after Paul beat
her viciously with a flashlight and she ended

1118
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:50.199
up with two black eyes. The
couple separated. At this point. Paul's

1119
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:55.239
arrested and charged with assault with a
weapon. He's released on bail, and

1120
01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:59.399
Carla does not return home to the
house where they had been living together in

1121
01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:04.520
Port Wosy. I recently was watching
something where somebody had two black eyes,

1122
01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:10.000
and not from cosmetic surgery, from
like an injury, and the way that

1123
01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:15.680
their face had swollen. I just
feel for anyone that ever happens to,

1124
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:20.479
because it looked horrendous. I mean, maybe not Carla. But February of

1125
01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:25.840
nineteen ninety three, the Ontario Green
Ribbon Task Force, which is what they

1126
01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:30.840
had called the Task Force, of
course, was closing in on both Paul

1127
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:36.720
and Carla with relation to the murders
of Leslie and Kristen. Carla's fingerprinted in

1128
01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:42.760
questions and detectives were very interested in
the Mickey Mouse watch that she had on

1129
01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:46.279
that very closely resembled the one Kristin
French was wearing the day she disappeared.

1130
01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:53.840
During this questioning, Carla is also
told that Paul had been identified as the

1131
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:59.479
Scarborough rapist. Carla realizes in this
moment that she is going to get caught,

1132
01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:03.840
and so she immediately obtains a lawyer
and began negotiations for a plea bargain

1133
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:09.960
in exchange for her testimony against Paul. I want to say good for her,

1134
01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:13.079
like she deserves it, because I
know she's what she's about to get

1135
01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:15.359
as a plea deal. But I
do think good for her for lawyering up

1136
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:19.560
in the sense that she's too naive
and has no idea what she's doing,

1137
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:25.640
and she has totally let everybody else
control her life up until now, specifically

1138
01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:31.399
him. So I'm just really glad
that she got separate legal counsel and didn't

1139
01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:34.399
try to be like, I want
to do what he does. Yep,

1140
01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:38.239
No, for sure. I mean
she was pretty over it at this point.

1141
01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:41.439
I think after he had beat her
with a flashlight and she moved out,

1142
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:46.600
she was yeah, I would be
too. Yeah. So at this

1143
01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:50.760
point, Carla tells police she only
went along with all of it because she

1144
01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:57.159
was terrified of Paul. She paints
herself as another one of his victims,

1145
01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:02.680
and she actually requests immunity from prosecute
in exchange for the testimony against him,

1146
01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:06.479
which of course the Attorney General did
not agree to, but did agree to

1147
01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:11.880
consider a reduced sentence. And they
don't know at this point that they don't

1148
01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:15.279
actually need her testimony because everything is
on videotape. Yeah, the videos were

1149
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:21.239
found as they were calling following that. Well, what happened was Paul's lawyer

1150
01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:27.239
had actually taken the tapes after they
were not found, when Placau n me

1151
01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:30.319
reach out and say like, you
have to go find these tapes, and

1152
01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:34.119
he executed a search warrant of the
home that they shared, and they did

1153
01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:38.159
not find the tapes because of where
Paul had hidden them, And so the

1154
01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:45.439
lawyer actually went in, grabbed the
tapes and kept them for sixteen months until

1155
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:50.800
basically that lawyer quit and handed all
of his evidence in case files to the

1156
01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:57.479
new lawyer, John Rosen. And
John Roson is the one who who sees

1157
01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:02.079
these tapes and is like what the
fuck and takes them to police. But

1158
01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:08.039
at this point Carla had already pled
guilty to two camps of manslaughter and received

1159
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:13.560
two ten year sentences to be served
concurrently or at the same time for the

1160
01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:18.640
deaths of Leslie and Kristen, and
an additional two years for her involvement in

1161
01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:23.960
what was still considered at the time
the accidental death of her sister Tammy.

1162
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:30.239
So she received the plea bargain.
Yeah, and at this point police thinks

1163
01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:34.359
she's like kind of like this wounded
bird that he's had control over and all

1164
01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:39.079
this, Like they haven't actually seen
the tapes, so they're taking her word

1165
01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:43.399
at face value, like how manipulative
he was and all these things. So

1166
01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:49.399
it's a very i think unique experience
for these officers to then watch the real

1167
01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:56.880
truth and see how bad it is. Yeah, in total, she would

1168
01:35:56.920 --> 01:36:00.840
serve twelve years with this plea,
and after the tapes came out, there

1169
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:08.800
was public outrage and this plea was
coined the Deal with the Devil. Paul

1170
01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:12.600
was charged with two counts of first
degree murder, kidnapping, forcible confinement,

1171
01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:17.319
aggravated assault for both Leslie and Kristen, and one count of committing in dignity

1172
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:23.760
to a human body in the case
of Leslie Mahaffey. On September first,

1173
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:28.279
nineteen ninety five, after eight hours
of deliberation, Paul Bernardo has found guilty

1174
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:32.800
of all charges against him and sentenced
on the fifteenth to life imprisonment with no

1175
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:39.039
possibility of parole for twenty five years. In November of nineteen ninety five,

1176
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:43.960
he was declared a dangerous offender,
meaning his likeliness of getting pearol to slim

1177
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:48.479
to none, which we have seen
in his recent parole hearings. Paul was

1178
01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:54.880
last up for pearl and denied back
in June of twenty twenty one, as

1179
01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:58.039
far as I know, Yeah,
it was during COVID, so that would

1180
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:03.840
make sense. Yeah, he was
denied dan full parole. Carla, however,

1181
01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:08.560
was released from prison in July of
two thousand and five and by all

1182
01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:12.319
accounts, is living a fairly normal
life at this point. She's changed her

1183
01:37:12.399 --> 01:37:15.520
name a few times and as far
as we know, she's currently living in

1184
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:20.760
Quebec. And that is our brief
overview, if you will, of the

1185
01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:26.600
Ken and Barbie Killers. Again,
we have full, like two hours worth

1186
01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:31.199
of this case because there's so many
ins and outs, so much detail on

1187
01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:39.159
our main feed. But that is
Carla Hamalka and Paul Bernardo. If you

1188
01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:42.680
liked this brief synopsis and you want
to hear more, you can find us

1189
01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:46.119
on all listening platforms at Podcasts by
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1190
01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:51.000
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1191
01:37:51.000 --> 01:38:15.000
crime cases at podcast by Proxy at
gmail dot com. Ye bye, thank

1192
01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:17.960
you to Katie and Olivia for bringing
us that case that shows really just how

1193
01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:24.560
wrong love can go. It is
still so unbelievable that Carla is among us

1194
01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:29.079
just walking around free, and sometimes
in marriage or relationships, that's all people

1195
01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:32.119
want is to be free. So
for our final case, to represent our

1196
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:38.000
seven year itch, we're going to
talk about what happens after maybe you've parted

1197
01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:42.720
ways when the relationship didn't work out. Sometimes when you start over, the

1198
01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:46.239
grass isn't necessarily greener on the other
side, and that's definitely where our case

1199
01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:51.039
begins. David Alexander Krupa was just
an ordinary guy who grew up in Sioux

1200
01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:55.520
Falls, South Dakota. In twenty
twelve, at the age of thirty five,

1201
01:38:55.960 --> 01:38:59.199
he was just ending a long term
relationship with the mother of his two

1202
01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:02.840
children. They had been together for
ten years, but when given the ultimatum

1203
01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:06.239
to pony up and give her a
ring or else, Dave chose you or

1204
01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:11.039
else. As Dave settled into his
new life of being a single dad,

1205
01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:15.359
he re entered the dating pool by
putting together some online dating profiles. He

1206
01:39:15.479 --> 01:39:18.079
wasn't dating to find an exclusive relationship
he had just gotten out of one.

1207
01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:23.199
What he was really looking for was
some casual fun, light and breezy,

1208
01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:27.479
which is so interesting to me because
he was okay being in a ten year

1209
01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:30.960
relationship, but just didn't want the
quote unquote commitment. That's right. He

1210
01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:35.199
didn't want any rings exchanged. On
the dating site plenty of fish, Dave

1211
01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:39.720
came across a profile for a woman
named Liz. She was an attractive thirty

1212
01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:43.319
eight year old and worked as a
housekeeper. Dave was upfront with Liz that

1213
01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:46.359
it was a casual relationship that he
was going after. While a little put

1214
01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:49.960
off by this at first, Liz
went along knowingly, continuing to date and

1215
01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:54.720
have sex with Dave. But really
she was after something a little bit more

1216
01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:57.880
permanent. I guess a little Dave, though, for her, was better

1217
01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.920
than no Dave, and she thought
she could probab changed Dave exactly. And

1218
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:04.239
I wonder how many people will say
they're okay with a casual thing, but

1219
01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:08.600
totally are not thinking in the back
of their minds. Oh, they're gonna

1220
01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:11.119
fall in love with me and it's
gonna work out. Mm hmm. It

1221
01:40:11.199 --> 01:40:14.720
might happen more often than we think. I think so. For Dave,

1222
01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:16.760
though, in the fall of twenty
twelve, he met a new woman,

1223
01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:20.319
Carrie Farmer. The two went out
on a date on October twenty ninth,

1224
01:40:20.359 --> 01:40:24.720
twenty twelve, and hit it off
enough to head back to his place.

1225
01:40:25.399 --> 01:40:30.039
Shortly after they arrived, though,
Liz showed up unannounced man After a teary

1226
01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:33.640
display, Carrie a bowed out of
the awkwardness, telling Dave that it wasn't

1227
01:40:33.640 --> 01:40:38.880
a big deal, and she got
out a dodge. After dismissing Liz,

1228
01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:43.079
Dave called carry up and apologized,
and they hook up again that night.

1229
01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:46.560
Infatuation is a crazy thing. She
decided he was worth a second look.

1230
01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:51.640
Before they get intimate, Carrie makes
sure that Dave's not looking for any commitment.

1231
01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:56.720
Light and breezy is what she's after
too, No drama, a match

1232
01:40:56.720 --> 01:40:59.760
made in him, uh huh.
He tells her that he's totally on board

1233
01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:02.640
for them. Over the next two
weeks, Dave continues to see both Carrie

1234
01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:06.560
and Liz, but clearly was favoring
Carrie. He was feeling like they were

1235
01:41:06.640 --> 01:41:11.479
kindred spirits. She was a no
drama kind of girl, or so it

1236
01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:15.319
seemed. Not long into the fling
with Carrie, she had a job that

1237
01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:18.840
was close to Dave's house. Dave, being the helpful kind of guy that

1238
01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:23.159
he was, offered to have Carrie
stay at his house for the week of

1239
01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:27.439
November twelfth, twenty twelve. Carrie
thought that this was a brilliant plan and

1240
01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.680
arranged for her son Max to stay
with her mom and her stepfather for the

1241
01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:34.439
week. November twelfth, day one
of the arrangement. Everything went according to

1242
01:41:34.479 --> 01:41:39.199
plan. The two spent the night
together and Dave kissed Carrie goodbye. The

1243
01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:43.600
next morning when he left for work
around six twenty five. Carrie was already

1244
01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:46.920
up getting ready when Dave left.
She had already called into her office and

1245
01:41:47.039 --> 01:41:51.079
was just scrolling through Facebook before she
left for the day. Dave was stoked

1246
01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:55.359
by this easy, breezy night and
the morning that they had had, but

1247
01:41:55.479 --> 01:42:00.119
that excitement would soon take a dramatic
turn. Dave received a text from Carrer

1248
01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:03.239
at ten am saying that she thought
they should move in together permanently. It

1249
01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:08.359
seemed that Carrie was now pulling a
Liz. She pretended to be easy breezy,

1250
01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:13.039
but was secretly after a commitment to
Dave shot down the suggestion of living

1251
01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:15.920
together, and that's when the drama
was unleashed. Carrie texted him back saying,

1252
01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:18.680
quote, fine, I don't ever
want to see you again. Go

1253
01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:24.720
away. I'll date somebody else.
I hate you. Dave was dumbfounded and

1254
01:42:24.840 --> 01:42:28.479
was equally surprised again when he returned
home that evening and Carrie had in fact

1255
01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:32.239
left him, along with all of
her belongings. When Carrie started sending even

1256
01:42:32.279 --> 01:42:35.640
more texts two days later, telling
him that he had ruined her life and

1257
01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:40.319
that he was a terrible person,
Dave felt that he had really dodged a

1258
01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:44.720
bullet. Carrie was not the person
that he had first thought. The messages

1259
01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:48.640
and the drama would continue to a
harassment type level over the next three years.

1260
01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:54.039
Dave began to get fifty to sixty
emails a day, as well as

1261
01:42:54.119 --> 01:42:59.319
text and phone calls or hang ups
from Carrie. She became totally obsessed with

1262
01:42:59.399 --> 01:43:02.680
him and with anyone that he spent
any time with. The messages were bizarre

1263
01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:06.159
at first, They carried a little
bit of a jealous tone. But then

1264
01:43:06.199 --> 01:43:12.319
over time they became spiteful and threatening, and they just kept coming. One

1265
01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:15.399
of them read, my favorite thing
to do is stand outside and stare at

1266
01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:20.239
you. Another one said I will
destroy your life and take your happiness.

1267
01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:26.079
Dave would later recount that, on
one specific occasion, quote, I was

1268
01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:29.520
sitting in my lazy boy with my
feet up, watching TV, trying to

1269
01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:32.840
relax, and it was a nightmare. I would get a text saying I

1270
01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:36.159
see you. You're sitting in your
chair with your feet propped up, wearing

1271
01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:41.399
a blue shirt, and all those
things would be true. That would be

1272
01:43:41.439 --> 01:43:45.800
so terrifying. Yes, some of
these messages would include pictures to prove that

1273
01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:49.800
she was just outside his apartment.
I wonder if at this point if he

1274
01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:54.479
ever thought I should have just put
a ring on it with Amy. Oh,

1275
01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:58.239
I'm sure he was thinking that it's
just such a leap from I want

1276
01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:01.680
something easy, breezy to let move
in together. She missed a whole step

1277
01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:05.319
in between of dating and being in
a relationship. Oh, it was zero

1278
01:44:05.359 --> 01:44:10.800
to sixty and no time flat.
Yeah. In January of twenty thirteen,

1279
01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:15.279
Dave noticed Carrie's Explorer parked in a
parking lot across from his building. The

1280
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:18.199
vehicle was parked in a way that
gave a perfect view of Dave's apartment.

1281
01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:23.479
He called the police immediately and they
investigated, but there was no signs of

1282
01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:27.520
Carrie. One time, he was
with another woman in bed and a brick

1283
01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:31.800
was thrown through his window. Even
his ex Amy began to get threatening messages

1284
01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:38.000
about staying away from Dave, and
the threats extended to his children. It

1285
01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:42.640
seemed everyone around him was fair game, and a frequent target for harassment was

1286
01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:46.000
Liz, who Dave had continued to
see on and off. Lizz's place was

1287
01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:50.720
broken into and checks were stolen,
and someone spray painted or from Dave across

1288
01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:56.119
the interior of Lizz's garage wall.
At one point, Dave received an email

1289
01:44:56.119 --> 01:44:59.920
with a picture attachment from Carrie.
The email threatened to kill Liz and the

1290
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.079
there was a picture of a woman
tied up in the trunk of a car.

1291
01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:06.359
Oh my goodness. Liz and Dave
began to bond over their shared experience

1292
01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:11.520
of being harassed by Carrie. They
nicknamed her Crazy Carrie, and together they

1293
01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:15.479
agreed to help the police find Carrie. Then in August, Liz's home was

1294
01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:18.680
set on fire. Luckily, she
and her children had not been home that

1295
01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:24.199
night, but four of her pets
died in the blaze. When police investigated,

1296
01:45:24.159 --> 01:45:28.000
it was clear that the fire had
been set intentionally. There were at

1297
01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:31.319
least six different points of origin.
Text and emails received the night before from

1298
01:45:31.359 --> 01:45:36.159
Carrie confirmed who was behind the fire. At this point, Liz tapped out

1299
01:45:36.399 --> 01:45:41.479
and left Dave, refusing to tell
him where she was going. No man

1300
01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:45.079
was worth this. The drama started
to die down for a bit during this

1301
01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.720
time, but didn't completely stop for
Dave, and it began to take its

1302
01:45:47.760 --> 01:45:51.880
toll. He gained thirty pounds and
began to drink every night. Carrie's odd

1303
01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:57.279
behavior and the heartache it caused wasn't
just reserved for Dave and his love interest.

1304
01:45:57.720 --> 01:46:00.840
Carrie's own mom, Nancy Rainey,
was disturbed by the messages she was

1305
01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:04.279
receiving from her daughter and her refusal
to come home. Nancy had received a

1306
01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:08.760
message from Carrie saying that she had
found a new job in Kansas, and

1307
01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:12.720
then she just had refused to answer
any questions. She had just up and

1308
01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:15.760
left her son with his grandparents,
quit her job, and started a new

1309
01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:18.359
life. She would occasionally be in
contact with her mom through text, but

1310
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:23.920
her behavior didn't make any sense.
Nancy filed a missing person's report with the

1311
01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:28.279
Sheriff's office in Council Bluffs, Iowa. Despite Nancy's concern for her daughter,

1312
01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:30.880
the police felt that there wasn't a
lot they could do given her past mental

1313
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:35.319
history of bipolar disorder and depression.
They followed up with Dave, who had

1314
01:46:35.319 --> 01:46:39.279
been the last person to see her, and he shared with them all the

1315
01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:43.840
crazy texts and emails that he had
been receiving and was completely cooperative with the

1316
01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:47.439
investigation. He had actually been working
with his local police. To the police

1317
01:46:47.439 --> 01:46:51.960
in Omaha, Nebraska, Carrie was
a disturbed stalker. The police in Iowa

1318
01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:56.520
believed that Carrie's behavior fit the theory
of a woman who had gone off her

1319
01:46:56.520 --> 01:47:00.279
meds and was acting out bizarrely.
This theory was further cemented when the detective

1320
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:05.159
in Iowa received a text from Carrie
asking to be left alone, and further

1321
01:47:05.239 --> 01:47:10.840
reinforced by Carrie's Facebook posts that told
the whole world to essentially leave her alone.

1322
01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:15.399
She was fine, her mother and
son were heartbroken. Nancy just couldn't

1323
01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:20.039
accept that this is how her daughter
would Behave then eerily just days after Carrie's

1324
01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:24.680
dad had passed away and she hadn't
shown up for the funeral, only sending

1325
01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:28.880
an apology for her absence. Nancy
had a dream where Carrie's dad told her

1326
01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:32.479
not to worry that Carrie was with
him. For Nancy, this sadly confirmed

1327
01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:36.000
something that she had already felt,
that her daughter was gone. Oh,

1328
01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:40.479
that would be an awful thing.
It would be so chilling. What had

1329
01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:45.239
happened to Carrie might have never been
known if not for two curious detectives.

1330
01:47:45.079 --> 01:47:49.119
In April twenty fifteen, Carrie's cold
missing person's report piqued the interests that pot

1331
01:47:49.159 --> 01:47:55.359
away to meet County Detective Ryan Avis
and investigator Jim Dotty. The two agreed

1332
01:47:55.359 --> 01:47:59.159
to take on the missing person's report
jointly, but work it from two different

1333
01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:01.760
angles. One would assume that Carrie
was alive and try to find her.

1334
01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:05.960
The other would assume that she was
dead and try to find her. On

1335
01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:10.800
both sides of the investigation, one
name kept coming up again and again and

1336
01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:15.560
started to make the investigative team very
suspicious. Shanna Golier. Shanna Golier has

1337
01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:20.439
a very interesting past and a long
history of being controlling and manipulative, and

1338
01:48:20.520 --> 01:48:25.119
she would be the key to the
whole investigation. To dig into her history

1339
01:48:25.159 --> 01:48:28.920
and learn even more about the crazy
details of this case, go and listen

1340
01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:31.680
to our full episode called Something about
Dave. But to keep things focused on

1341
01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:36.800
the current case, just know that
after a very suspicious trial in nineteen ninety

1342
01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:41.359
nine, Shannon had moved away from
Battle Creek, Michigan and started a new

1343
01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:45.920
life going by Liz. I remember
my mind being completely blown when Melissa told

1344
01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:49.199
me that she went by Liz.
I did not see this coming. It

1345
01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:54.800
was definitely a plot twist, and
police were just as shocked. They learned

1346
01:48:54.840 --> 01:48:58.920
that Liz had a distinct pattern with
relationships, and the investigative team were able

1347
01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:02.119
to connect Liz or Shana to many
of the things that Carrie had been supposedly

1348
01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:06.439
doing. I assumed. Feeling the
heat, Liz tried to deflect attention onto

1349
01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:11.359
Dave's ex wife, Amy. For
Liz, Amy was an easy target to

1350
01:49:11.439 --> 01:49:15.279
choose because Dave had just moved closer
to her for the sake of his children.

1351
01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:17.920
Trying to escape the drama, Liz
tried to tell the police that she

1352
01:49:17.960 --> 01:49:21.479
believed it was Amy that had been
impersonating Carrie. And threatening her and Dave,

1353
01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:26.239
and she wanted the police to arrest
her. When they were slow to

1354
01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:30.279
react, Liz shot herself in the
thigh to try and convince them of the

1355
01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:33.560
dangers. So wild to me,
this case honestly could play out like a

1356
01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:38.279
movie. Mm hmm. Police weren't
fooled, however. The tract of the

1357
01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:42.119
wound made it pretty clear that she
had shot herself, but they do pretend

1358
01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:45.000
to believe her and asked her to
allow them to download the contents of her

1359
01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:49.000
phone so that they could review the
messages that Amy had been sending her,

1360
01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:55.119
including all the deleted content. It
was a gold mine. It was estimated

1361
01:49:55.159 --> 01:50:00.039
that she spent forty to fifty hours
a week impersonating Carrie. They found photos

1362
01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:03.159
of Carrie's Ford Explorer, date stamped
about a month before the car was reported

1363
01:50:03.159 --> 01:50:09.239
by Dave and long after Carrie had
disappeared. They also found a photo of

1364
01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:13.399
herself tied up in a trunk of
a car and a video of her walking

1365
01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:17.479
around the outside of Dave's apartment.
Investigators were able to tie a single fingerprint

1366
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:23.760
found in Carrie's vehicle to Liz.
Through some questionable tactics, police trap Liz

1367
01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:28.840
into giving them details of Carrie's death. Pretending to be amy confessing, Liz

1368
01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:31.439
tells police in an email that Carrie
was stabbed three to four times in the

1369
01:50:31.479 --> 01:50:35.399
stomach and the chest while in her
car. The email gives away details that

1370
01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:40.920
had never been released to the public. On December twenty second, twenty sixteen,

1371
01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:45.439
Shanna Golier was apprehended by the Nebraska
Law Enforcement. She was charged with

1372
01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:47.960
the first degree murder of Carrie Farvar. After the ten day trial, the

1373
01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:53.399
judge returned a guilty verdict. On
May twenty fourth, twenty seventeen, Liz

1374
01:50:53.439 --> 01:50:57.279
was convicted and sentenced to life behind
bars and an additional eighteen to twenty years

1375
01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:01.119
for arson because she set her own
house on fire exactly. Liz is now

1376
01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:05.239
serving her life sentence in Nebraska Correctional
Center for Women. While in prison,

1377
01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:09.560
Liz has shown no remorse and continues
to say that she had nothing to do

1378
01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:14.960
with Carrie's death, but she is
still all about the dramatics. Threatening emails

1379
01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:17.760
that were sent to her about her
children were determined to be fake, and

1380
01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:23.920
according to other inmates, they claim
she insists on them calling her Carrie no

1381
01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:29.399
way and that is the case of
the callous, attention seeking, dramatic or

1382
01:51:29.439 --> 01:51:33.359
beg. Shanna Liz Golier. I
remember that being such an intense case,

1383
01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:36.920
listeners, I do recommend that you
go to our feed and listen to the

1384
01:51:36.920 --> 01:51:42.319
full coverage that Melissa did covering this
particular case. There are so many more

1385
01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:45.479
crazy things that she did that we
just don't have time to share with you

1386
01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:48.640
today, but we really appreciate everyone
joining us in this Broken Hearts collaboration.

1387
01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:53.520
We'd like to thank all of the
podcasts that joined us. We hope you've

1388
01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:57.560
enjoyed it and that you'll take some
time to check out everybody's podcast. Until

1389
01:51:57.600 --> 01:52:21.039
next time, Sea, Bye,