April 22, 2026

Bonus Episode: Lynette and Brian Hooker

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Lynette Hooker disappeared after falling from a dinghy in dark, choppy waters near Elbow Cay in the Bahamas on April 4, 2026. Her husband, Brian Hooker, returned alone. As the search turned up nothing, questions began to surface about the conditions, the timeline, and Brian’s account of that night.

Today's snack: Reese's Marshmallow and Butterfinger French Toast

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Hi. I'm Tina and I'm Rich.

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If there's one thing we've learned in over twenty years

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of marriage, it's that some days you'll feel like killing

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your wife, and some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to a bonus episode of Love Mary Kill. Hi Rich,

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Hi Tina.

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How are you?

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I am doing good? How are you?

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I'm pretty good. I left the windows open. Yeah, so

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don't see I can tell you're going to be distracted.

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Normally I close the lines, but I left them open

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because there's a storm rolling in. Yeah, and I kind

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of wanted to see it.

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I like to see what's going on in the neighborhood.

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Too, So you do, and you'll be like, oh, look,

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there's someone on a bike.

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Here's a person with a dog.

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Yeah, and that happens a lot.

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One of the best ways that we find new listeners

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is by covering recent cases like this one. If you're

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new to our show, we usually start each episode with

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a few minutes of chatting and then a snack, sometimes random,

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sometimes pertaining to the episode. I know it sounds crazy,

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but it works for us. If snacks and banter aren't

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your thing, you can check out our trimmed down version

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Love Mary Kill, just the facts and truly we will

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not be offended in the least if you listen to

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that episode where we talk a lot less. We talked

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about this a little bit on our Patreon episode that

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we recorded to All I've been doing is podcast work.

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I wrote the page ran episode this weekend, and then

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I decided to do this case at the last minute.

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So really I've just been working. But this weekend we

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were putting together or you we're putting together our new

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duck furniture. By the way, what part of my whole

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body don't need to Okay, yeah, I mean you work.

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There was a lot of pieces.

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It wasn't quite as bad as Ikia.

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It was a lot, but we came away saying, you

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know what, we're a good team.

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And even after all these years of marriage, I just

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think it's really cool when we do something that's hard

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and we're like, hey, we didn't raise our voices, we

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didn't yell.

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It went pretty smoothly.

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Yeah. Usually when I put together furniture, I end up

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swearing at least five six times.

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But you don't even swear.

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It's just this sound that you make whenever you're highly frustrated.

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And you were doing that.

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You're like, there was like two or three times where

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I got.

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I think the first couple chairs, you were highly annoyed.

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Then you got it and I got it together, and

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we did it and.

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It still hasn't been well, we haven't finished putting the

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deck together. But anyway, that's a story for another day.

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Anything else going on with you? How are the Tigers doing?

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Oh, they're doing actually pretty good. Yeah, yeah, a little

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better than they were to start the season. So it's

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been fun, although I haven't gotten to watch the last

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several games because every time there's a game on, you

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seem to want to record a podcast episode.

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No, that's not true. The other morning you were supposed

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to well you were working.

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I was working, but you.

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Were all The game was on at eleven am, and

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you're really surprised.

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That was really crazy.

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That was because it was in Boston and the Boston

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Marathon was going on, so for whatever reason, they had

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to coordinate those two things.

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Very cool.

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Well, I'm trying to keep this brief because it's a

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bonus episode, but I did bring you a snack.

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I guess what I brought you.

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H Reese's peanut butter cup with marshmallow.

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You're right.

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We went to the gas stage the other day. Was

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it the gas stage?

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Yeah, we went to stopped in to get a soda

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and we saw some unusual candy bars.

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That's the worst short your memory. I can't even remember

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what I ate for breakfast, although I do. Actually I

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had chocolate chip cookie because I was making chocolate chip

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cookies for your friends. Cost of Champions I had, but

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I had a glass of milk too. But yeah, you

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picked out a Riese's marshmallow big cup and I picked

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out a butterfinger French toast.

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Yeah, both of them sound very interesting.

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Unusually we try them. All right, We'll be back after

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we try our snack. So what did you think of

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the candy bars?

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Well, they were interesting. I liked the reeses. I'm a

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fan of marshmallow, and I think the peanut butter chocolate

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marshmallow works well together. The butterfinger it tasted like I expected.

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It's an odd combination French toast and butterfinger to me.

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The coating tasted kind of like that butter beer flavor.

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Mm hmm.

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Yeah, we've had a little bit recent.

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Yeah, I was surprised there's not chocolate in it. I

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thought it was really good. Actually, I'm not the biggest

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butterfinger person. I would give that and eight out of ten.

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I don't think I took a big enough bite out

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of the reesas, so I didn't really get the marshmallow.

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But i'll give that a seven out of ten.

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I don't know.

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I'll give the Reesa's marshmallow an eight and a half

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out of ten, and I'll give the butterfinger a six

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and a half.

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All right, fair enough.

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This is a developing case and details may change as

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new information emerges. Bryan Hooker has not been charged with

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a crime, and Lynette Hooker remains missing. On Saturday, April fourth,

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twenty twenty six, Lynnett and Brian Hooker, fifty five and

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fifty nine, went out to dinner and their small.

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Eight foot dinghy, leaving.

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Their forty five foot sailboat behind. On the return trip,

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the water was dark and unsettled. Just two days earlier,

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the moon had been full. Now it was in its

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waning Gibbis phase. It should have still offered some light,

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but that night, thick clouds swallowed it whole. Out there,

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with no street lights and no shoreline in sight, the

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darkness felt absolute, broken, only by wind waves and the

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faint hum of a small motor. At some point in

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the journey back, the nutt fell into the water. In

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the darkness, She and her husband became separated, the engine

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cut out, the boat drifted, and for the next seven

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hours Brian was left alone adrift in the dark, eventually

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making his way back to shore as the sun rose

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on Easter morning. Lynnette has not been seen since. Most

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everything that I know about boats comes from watching Bravos

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below Deck, but I've watched like probably one hundred and

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fifty episodes.

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So much more than I've done.

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I wanted to briefly explain what a dinghy is. A

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dinghy is a small boat, typically six to twenty feet long,

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used as a tender. A tender is a transport vehicle,

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usually for a larger boat, sometimes used as a lifeboat

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or for recreation like rowing or sailing. They are often

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towed or carried on deck of the larger boat, featuring

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either rigid construction fiberglass, wood, aluminum, or inflatable tubes. The

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hooker's boat looked particularly small. I think the bottom was fiberglass,

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but the rest of.

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It was inflatable.

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Okay, the hookers are formally from Onsted, Michigan, population one thousand.

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Onstead is tucked into the rolling landscape of Michigan's Irish Hills.

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Decades ago, this stretch of road along US twelve was

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lined with whimsical roadside attractions that felt almost dreamlike, storybook villages,

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prehistoric creatures rising from the trees, observation towers promising sweeping

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views for a few coins, miniature golf courses, and family campgrounds.

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In a simpler time, families packed into their station wagons

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to visit the quirky roadside attractions during the day, while

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evenings were spent surrounding the campfire with the hum of

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grasshoppers and toads nearby.

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I have many, many fond memories as.

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A child, truly to this story is this couple is

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from Michigan. Today, much of that quirkiness has faded, but

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not entirely. It lingers in fragments and memory and the

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feeling that this quiet landscape was once allowed a little

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brighter and a lot more strange. So I'm going to

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ask you to talk a little bit about Irish Hills,

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which is forty five minutes to an hour from US.

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If that I know you have a lot of fond memories.

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I really do, like I have photo albums with a

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lot of pictures of our family. When we were little kids,

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we would go camping at Irish Hills. You described it

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really well. It was just this kind of quirky like

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place with all these like dinosaur parks and things like that,

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and miniature golf courses, and I think over the years

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it kind of got a little run down and a

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lot of the places got abandoned, so it became almost

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a little creepy. I think it had a mystery spot,

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you know, one of those weird buildings where things like

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gravity allegedly is not working.

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That's a funny joke between us because I have never

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been to a mystery spot, and literally every time we

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go out there's a couple a few Whenever we pass one,

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I asked, can we stop in the mystery spot? And

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you always say no because it's not worth the money,

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because that's what dads are supposed to say. We've taken

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our kids to Irish Hills many times and it is

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very dilapidated. It's been a few years since we've been. Yeah,

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there's a little bit of a resurgeon.

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I've heard that.

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Too, but there's not There used to be a ton

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of miniature golf courses and there's none really near us.

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So we would hike out to on Father's Day a lot.

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You'd be like, let's go play miniature golf at Irish

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Hills and we've always had a nice time.

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Yeah, but it's.

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Definitely like you can see the old dinosaur park and

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it's you know, you can't go anymore, but you can

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see a lot of the attractions are faded and crubbling

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from the road. But anyway, that's where the Hooker family

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is from. Lynette and Brian were married in two thousand

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and two, soon after she divorced her first husband, Rick. Brian,

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a former Marine corporal, met Lynette when they were both

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working as technicians for AT and T, where Brian served

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as union steward, a role that suited his combative nature.

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Brian has three children from a previous relationship, and Lynette

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has one daughter. They've been together for almost half their lives.

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Friends and family described them as something of a power couple.

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Though Brian can be volatile, He's a large man with

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a commanding presence, one that at times can feel intimidating.

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As one friend put it, he he was not only

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big and imposing and smart, but part of his charm

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was that if your boss is giving you a hard time,

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he's going to put the fear in him. Lynette and

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Brian are a highly social couple and enjoy being around others,

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often drinking, sometimes to excess. Lynette is funny, kind and sharp,

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but also tough and resourceful, the kind of person who

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could handle herself and figure things out in almost any situation.

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Lynette and Brian have made many friends through sailing. The

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boating community is known for being friendly and supportive, with

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people often looking out for one another and forming quick

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lasting connections, often spending weeks traveling together. Living at sea

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had long been the Hooker's share dream. Before they set

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out on the Soulmate, they had more than a decade

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of sailing experience.

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The Hookers lived aboard their light blue forty five foot sailboat, Soulmate.

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They purchased it in twenty twenty three and refurbished it them,

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turning it into a comfortable floating home with a living area,

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two bathrooms, a kitchen, a TV, and even a solar

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powered oven. They frequently shared their travels on social media,

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including TikTok and YouTube under the name The Sailing Hookers.

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In one post, Lynnette joked after they repainted the deck,

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the decks are done. We're still married. Party time. Their

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content offered glimpses into everyday life grilling on the boat,

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as well as their adventures snorkeling, spotting wildlife, listening to

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live music, and making ice cream runs. They fly three

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flags aboard the Soulmate an American flag, a pirate flag

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reading a Pirate's Life for Me, and a cookie monster flag.

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The deck is slightly chaotic, scattered with signs of life,

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two paddle boards, a grill, a Buddha statue, workout equipment,

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and several conk shells. At the time Lynnette went missing,

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they were anchored in a cove off marsh Harbor on

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Great Abaco Island, part of the Abbaco Islands, a chain

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of barrier ks in the Northern Bahamas, about two hundred

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miles east of Miami, with nearby kys, including Elbow k

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just a short dinghy ride away. The Hookers met Marnie

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and Brian Stephenson in twenty twenty three while sailing near Florida.

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The two couples quickly became close and even traveled together

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for a time. After they parted ways in early January

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twenty twenty four, Lynette sent Marnie a series of concerning

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text messages. On January twenty.

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Ninth, do you want to be Marty and I will

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be Lynette?

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Sure? How far south did you guys make it? We

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are probably starting the track around the beginning of March.

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I guess it was too much closeness. We decided to

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call it quits.

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I'm not going back. Good luck, guys.

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I'm really sorry to hear this.

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Me too, heartbroken, considering I quit my awesome career, sold

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my house, and gave away everything I own to Crewe.

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Who's shaking my head? Stupid?

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Oh no, I can't remember. How long have you guys

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been cruising?

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Well, we were married twenty one years. Our marriage lasted

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six weeks cruising.

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Oh my goodness.

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Lol, just starting over?

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Oh darling, that's gotta be tough. My heart goes out

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to you.

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A friend of Nola has invited me to cruise. I'm

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just not sure.

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Now, Nola, so it's not cruising you're not enjoying. It's

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your spouse and what is Nola?

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New Orleans? I love sailing.

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Ah, okay, well that sounds like fun.

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It does, but too much going on to think about

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it right now.

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It would be weird without my.

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Brian, completely understandable. Probably a whole lot to wrap your

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brain around.

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So maybe I'll see you out there currently looking for

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a job.

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I don't know you well, and I hope I'm not

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speaking out of turn. But when you comment that it

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would be weird without your Brian, is it soon enough

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that maybe things could be reconciled.

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Not this time that was real bad. I can't be

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out there with him.

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Now, totally understand I get it. Big hugs, my friend.

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You're a strong woman. But less than a month later,

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the couple had reconciled. Marnie saw a social media post

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of Lynette and Brian and texted, looks like things are

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on the up and up. Lynnette replied with heart emojis

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and the thumbs up.

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What do you make of these text messages?

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It sure sounds like Lynnette is saying that the marriage

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is over, and she sounds pretty sure about that. It

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sounds like she's saying that they were married for a

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long time, but now six weeks of sailing. Was that

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killed their marriage?

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The thing that sticks out to me is when she

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said it was real bad, I can't be out there

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with him.

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Now, Yeah, that sounds like she's scared to be out

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there with him.

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But then she said it would be weird sailing without

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my my Brian, and that seems sort of sweet, like,

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oh my Brian. You know, I'll miss him if I'm

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out there without him, So it seemed like, yeah, maybe

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she wasn't done with a marriage.

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She had maybe some mixed feelings.

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And this was twenty twenty four, so it was more

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than two years prior to the current incident.

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We'll be back after a break.

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On the evening of April fourth, at around seven thirty pm,

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Lynette and Brian took their dinghy out for the evening,

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heading from Elbow k towards Hopetown. On the return trip

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to Soulmate after dinner, Lynette slipped and fell overboard into choppy,

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dark water. CBS meteorologist Andrew Kozak noted that conditions may

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have made travel by dinghy difficult that night, with sustained

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winds of fifteen to twenty five knots gusts exceeding forty

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miles per hour, with intermittent rain, He added, however, that

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conditions would likely have been calmer. In the shallower, more sheltered.

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Side of the island.

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About one thousand yards or a rough half a mile

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from their sailboat, they entered the choppier water. It was

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there that Lynette slipped from the dinghy into the ocean.

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Brian said that he threw her a flotation device but

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wasn't sure that she'd been able to reach it after

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he lost sight of her in the darkness. He believed

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it was possible that she reached shore. It remains unclear

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whether she was wearing a life jacket, but I believe

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she was not.

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So you said that she fell overboard, stating that as

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a fact. Is that a known fact? Or is that Brian?

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We know that she is missing, but everything that we

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know is from Brian's version of events. Okay, the engine

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cut out almost immediately with a kill switch key lost

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overboard with Lonette, Brian had no way to start the boat,

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leaving him adrift, forcing him to paddle through the night

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in search of help. So we're not big boaters, but

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you have driven like my dad's boat before.

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Right, and so the boat keys.

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Every boat is different, but some boats have like a

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floating key. I think my dad's had a floating key

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like it had something.

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Yeah, he had like a keychain on it that was.

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And some boats have like a lanyard and people you know,

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keep that around their neck or sometimes there's a stretchy

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coil and you're supposed to like attach it to your

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wrist to the key, so you're always attached to your.

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Key, right.

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Friends say that the Hookers really didn't do that. The

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key was usually just you know, there in the echnition,

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So people think that it's odd that she had the key.

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On her person.

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Yeah.

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The Hookers ding' eat was small and lightweight, powered by

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a modest electric motor. It didn't move quickly like a speedboat.

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It was slow and steady, meaning that if someone fell overboard,

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they wouldn't be left far behind in its wake. And

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it wasn't built for distance. It was designed for short

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trips between the boat like their sailboat and the shore,

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limited to probably ten miles max. That night, Lynette and

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Brian had traveled roughly two and a half to three

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miles to reach Hopetown for dinner, making the return trip

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a stretch for a dinghy like theirs.

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I want to go back to. I have a quick

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question about the key, the kill switch key or whatever

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it's called. So if the key is not like in

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the ignition, is the boat still running? Meaning did the

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according to Brian, did was the boat turned off when

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she killed.

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The kill switch?

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Right?

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So as soon as the kill switch is activated and

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she went overboard, the kill switch is activated, the boat

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stops because if the boat was still going, and you know,

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if you're you would lose your passenger. So the kill

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switch is a safety precaution. So the boat stops right there,

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and if someone falls off the boat, you can help

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them onto the boat. I did see some people online

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talking about it, saying that a lot of boats have

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some sort of mechanism where you can put your hand

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on the throttle or I'm not I'm not really an

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engine person, but you can probably still get the boat

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to go. But Brian said, no, I had to float

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back to shore. Okay, but if I fall off the boat,

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what are you going to do.

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I'm going to do everything I could to rescue you.

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I'm going to make sure the boat is stopped. First

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of all, I'm gonna if you're right there, I would

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grab you and pull you in. If you're out farther,

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I might throw you a life preserver first before trying

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to get you in the boat. So, I mean it depends.

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On the ride. You're an ex marine, you're a pretty

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big guy. I would hope that you would jump in

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and try to save me.

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Yeah.

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I've read one account where he jumped in, but I

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don't think that's true. I don't think he jumped in.

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I think he stayed on the boat and he tried

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to throw her like this cushion that was a floating cushion,

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and like I said, it was dark and he couldn't

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he couldn't tell if it got to her or not.

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In a phone call with friends Marnie and Brian Stevenson

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after Lynette went missing, Brian described the couple's evening. He

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said they stopped at Tahiti Beach, a popular spot on

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the southern tip of Elbow k where shallow water recedes

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at low tide and a floating bar serves strings, before

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heading to dinner at the Avaco Inn. After dinner, they

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began the trip back to Soulmate. By Easter morning, around

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four am, Brian had drifted and rowed roughly four miles

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before reaching the Marsh Harbor boat yard, where he contacted

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the Royal Bahamas Police Force. The next day, Brian moved

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soulmate to marsh Harbor, a decision that raised eyebrows. He

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had told others he believed Lynette might have been able

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to swim.

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Back to the boat.

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But if that were the case, why would he have

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moved it.

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Yeah.

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He then stayed at a nearby by hotel with his

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sister for several days. And again, wouldn't he want to

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stay with the boat if?

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Yeah, if he thought there was a chance she might

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be able to make it back to the boat, I

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would think he would stay there.

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After she went missing, there was a day long search

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by air, land and sea, assisted by the US Coast

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Guard and including the use of underwater drones, and they

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yielded no sign of Lynette. Not a single personal item

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was recovered, no clothing, not her glasses, and not a

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dry bag. Do you know what a dry bag is.

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I assume it's a bag where you can put things

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like your phone in that's going to keep it drive

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it falls in the water boat.

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Yeah. You just keep a few personal items in your

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dry bag and you just grab it in.

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A case of emergency.

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On Tuesday, April seventh, Hopetown volunteer fire and Rescue lead

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Richard Cook announced the effort had shifted from a search to.

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A recovery operation.

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He later told People Magazine it was just a lot

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of bad decisions. Nighttime, very windy, no moon out yet,

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so it was pitch dark and very rough conditions for

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the small boat they were in. Bryan provided screenshots from

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nautical maps to help authorities narrow the area where he

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saddling that had gone overboard, but a boat captain familiar

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with the area questioned the circumstances, noting that the waters

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where Soulmate was anchored are typically among the calmist, with

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depths ranging from just three to fourteen feet. He told

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The New York Post, there's no reason to take a

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dinghy out there.

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I've never seen anyone do it. He added that if they.

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Had encountered trouble, other nearby boaters likely would have been

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able to assist.

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When he says there's no reason to take a dinghy

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out there, I'm not sure I understand that, because how

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else would you get from the boat to the shore.

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Well, their sailboat isn't huge, so I think what he meant,

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was you know, if it's several miles away, that they

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could have just taken your Saleka and indocted there. That's

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what I'm guessing he means. After reaching land, Brian left

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a voicemail for his stepdaughter Carly. Hello, Honey, it's dad.

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I've just got a call from Hopetown Search and Rescue

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and they found the flotation device that I threw to

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mom when she fell overboard. They haven't found her yet.

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Carle later said that she was struck by his monotone

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voice and lack of urgency. Brian has been making rounds

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in the media, and in each interview that I've seen

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he appears emotional, crying and visibly bereft. But in this

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miss message to his stepdaughter, he sounded, you know, pretty

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much fine. After the search was discontinued, Brian released a

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statement to the media. I am heartbroken over the recent

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boat accident in unpredictable seas and high winds that cause

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my beloved Lynette to fall out of her small dinghy

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near Elbow, Qut and the Bahamas. Despite desperate attempts to

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reach her, the winds and currents drove us further apart.

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We continue to search for her, and that is my

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sole focus. I thought he was laying it on a

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little thick with that statement. How he's talking about the

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winds and how they were separated.

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Yeah, sounds like he's trying to make it sound like

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it was really, really bad.

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He was, yes.

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Carly Aylesworth twenty eight, Lynette's daughter and only child from

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a previous relationship, said that there had been previous concerning

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incidents between Lynnette and Brian. Two days after the incident,

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she released a statement, I have been privy to very

488
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.039
little information. My sole concern is to find out what

489
00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:57.559
happened to my mother and make sure a full and

490
00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:02.480
complete investigation is performed into her disappearance. While the Royal

491
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:06.240
Bahamian Police are investigating this matter, I would also appreciate

492
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:10.000
any involvement of the federal, state, or local authorities to

493
00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:14.400
look into the circumstances of this tragic situation. She told

494
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:18.160
People magazine how they started was not healthy. When you

495
00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:20.799
start out not healthy, that's usually a sign of how

496
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:25.039
the relationship is going to be. In another article, Carl said,

497
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.559
there have been prior issues brought to my attention which

498
00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:32.559
may be important for any thorough investigation. If This truly

499
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.960
was an accident. I can understand and live with it. However,

500
00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.559
there needs to be an intensive review of the facts

501
00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:43.079
and circumstances of this tragic incident before that can be determined.

502
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.079
A couple quick questions for you. First, remind me how

503
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:48.799
long they have been married?

504
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:50.400
Over twenty years, okay?

505
00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:54.279
And when Carly refers to them starting out not healthy,

506
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:55.799
do you know what she meant by that.

507
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.720
I'm assuming that she means that they started with an

508
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:01.720
extramarital affair because they were married right after.

509
00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:04.079
Lynette got divorced, Okay, so she's probably talking about the

510
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:09.640
early days of their twenty year long relationship. Carly told

511
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:12.640
Fox News that there is a history of domestic violence

512
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:18.079
in the relationship, including choking and threats to throw Lynnette overboard. Quote,

513
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.920
it just doesn't add up. My mom is very fit

514
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.799
and strong. She's a good swimmer, Like, why was she

515
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:27.480
swimming away from the boat. I'm confused why she has

516
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:30.319
the keys because she never drove the dinghy. It was

517
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.480
always Brian. So the story just doesn't add up.

518
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:35.640
Right now, I think that's an excellent point.

519
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:36.920
Why would she be swimming?

520
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.759
I mean, I guess Brian is saying that the current,

521
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.279
why would she be swimming away.

522
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.000
From the boat right?

523
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:45.680
And I think the point about the keys is a

524
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.720
really good point as well.

525
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.279
Something else that probably is superfluous that I wanted to

526
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.880
mention is Brian I saw a text message, like a

527
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.720
group chat between his daughter and Carly, and he's known

528
00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:01.400
Carly almost her whole life, and he spelled her name wrong.

529
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.720
Oh wow. And there was a history of domestic violence

530
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.400
in the marriage. In twenty fifteen, while living in Kentwood, Michigan,

531
00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:12.480
the police had been called and Lynette was arrested for

532
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:17.119
assault and battery. She was released due to insufficient evidence

533
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:20.799
as to who started the assault. The police report states

534
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.799
that Brian claimed Lynette had punched him multiple times, leaving

535
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.559
blood streaming from his nose, and that alcohol appeared to

536
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:32.200
have fueled the incident. In two thousand and five, police

537
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.839
responded to an incident involving Brian and his daughter, during

538
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.240
which he was accused of choking her in the course

539
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.960
of an argument. No charges were filed.

540
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.519
We've talked a lot about the correlation between domestic violence

541
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:48.960
and choking, and if any person ever puts their hands

542
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.920
around your neck, you need to end this relationship.

543
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:53.160
Serious red flag.

544
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.440
The fact that he did it to his daughter is

545
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:57.480
even more disturbing.

546
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:01.440
Brian's friend, Dan Dan flat saw the story on the

547
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:05.319
news and texted him offering his assistance. He had noticed

548
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:08.400
that minutes before that Brian had liked a social media

549
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:12.920
post of his and left a laughing emoji, which surprised him.

550
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:16.960
Brian texted him an explanation of what happened to Lynette.

551
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.240
The wind blew me away from her, and she swam

552
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:21.920
toward the sailboat, and we lost sight of each other

553
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.559
pretty quickly. As it was just about sundown. I drifted

554
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.720
and tried to paddle with one oar for the next

555
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.640
seven hours until I washed up behind the shore of

556
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.160
the next island over and was able to get some

557
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:34.000
help finally.

558
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.839
So it was just about sundown or was it pitch black?

559
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:43.160
Yeah, little inconsistency there. Dan was immediately suspicious of Brian,

560
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:45.759
saying the different versions of events he saw in the

561
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.599
media didn't add up. He also questioned whether Brian could

562
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.079
have had cell service, noting that he wasn't far from shore.

563
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:58.039
He told CBS News, you know, my wife's missing. Facebook's

564
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.680
the last thing I'm worried about. Going to find me

565
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.759
out on the water searching, Brian Hooker was detained for

566
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.759
questioning on Wednesday, April eighth, as authorities worked to piece

567
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.000
together what had happened, though he had not been charged

568
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:15.319
with a crime. He was released four days later after

569
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:19.440
investigators deemed there wasn't enough evidence to charge him, but

570
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.440
authorities made it clear that as the investigation continues, he

571
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.559
may face charges in the future. The Bahamian Police are

572
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:31.400
working with the US Coast Guard and other authorities. When

573
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:35.720
police searched Soulmate, Brian was handcuffed during the search. At

574
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:39.319
one point, he fell overboard had to be rescued injuring

575
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:40.559
his knee in the process.

576
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.440
But this was really strange, Like Brian has been on

577
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:45.559
boats for years and years. This is his boat, he

578
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.799
lives on the boat, and then he's flipped and fell over,

579
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:51.359
Like I was wondering, like was he trying to escape

580
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.200
or was it just a coincidence.

581
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.559
Yeah, it's really odd. I can't imagine you would want

582
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:58.599
to go into the water with handcuffs on, Like that

583
00:28:58.640 --> 00:28:59.799
would be a really bad idea.

584
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.119
So maybe he did just slip.

585
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.960
Yeah, but it is odd. You're right. Soulmate was seized

586
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:09.200
by law enforcement. After he was released, Brian left the Bahamas,

587
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.480
citing another family emergency that required his attention, but vowed

588
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.880
that finding Lynnette is his sole focus.

589
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:19.559
His mother is an ailing health he went to see her.

590
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.519
I'm not sure if he's back to the Bahamas yet.

591
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:27.240
Darlene Hamlet, Lynnette's mother, told ABC News that she was

592
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.599
very careful in the water, very responsible about wearing a

593
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:35.359
flotation device, and obsessive about knowing water conditions.

594
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:39.640
Although water conditions can change rapidly. I wanted to mention

595
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:41.720
a podcast that I listened to. I think it's a

596
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.480
newer podcast, but I thought she did an excellent job

597
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:49.160
covering this case. It's called Criminally Obsessed. With Anne Emerson.

598
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.920
She talked to forensic diver Alex Beear, a veteran police

599
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.880
officer and dive rescue expert. Their conversation was really interesting.

600
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.759
Alex said that initially with in individual drowns in the water,

601
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.519
they sink to the bottom of the ocean floor within

602
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.440
a ten foot radius from the top of the water

603
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.799
where they fell. Then, as a decomposition begins, they may

604
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.039
rise to the top and then be carried away by

605
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:20.920
a current. In the Bahamian waters feeding would likely occur

606
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.400
by sharks and other marine life. I wanted to mention

607
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.640
that the temperature of the water in the Bahamas in

608
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:31.039
April isn't frigid. It's likely in the mid seventies. But

609
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.000
even in warmer condition, hours in the ocean can.

610
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:34.640
Take a toll.

611
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.440
Fatigue, waves and darkness can become just as dangerous as

612
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.400
the cold. The Bahamas is currently under a level to

613
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:47.279
travel advisory. Visitors are urged to exercise increase caution due

614
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.279
to concerns about violent crime, including sexual assaults and burglaries.

615
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.519
As well as safety risks tied.

616
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.319
To and unregulated boating and water activities that have led

617
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:03.079
to injuries and death war levels of travel advisory. So again,

618
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:04.839
the Bahamas is in level two.

619
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:06.000
For being the worst.

620
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.000
Yeah, okay, do you think it's possible that someone could

621
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:10.920
have picked line up from another boat?

622
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:13.279
You know, I hadn't even considered that. I mean, I

623
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:17.039
suppose there's a slight possibility that that happened. Doesn't seem likely,

624
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:17.960
but yeah.

625
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.319
Out on the open water, there are no doorbell or

626
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.720
traffic cameras, no cell phone data, and a small dinghy

627
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.480
is unlikely to have GPS tracking wind waves and shifting

628
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.880
currents can quickly erase any trace of what happened, and

629
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.079
with Brian Hooker as the only eyewitness, there is little

630
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:39.720
independent account of those final moments. Drowning, by its nature,

631
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:43.079
often leaves very little clear evidence, making it difficult to

632
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:46.880
determine whether it was accidental or intentional.

633
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.640
I think that's very true, and we hear about so

634
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:53.480
many cases, whether it's a cruise ship or people on

635
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.759
their own personal boat, that is just really hard to

636
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.839
know what happened because it all comes down to you know,

637
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.079
he said, she said, there's two people on the boat,

638
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.039
one of them goes missing, and the only account you

639
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:06.920
have is the person who survived.

640
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.559
I'm really not sure what has happened here. I don't

641
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:13.079
think there is enough evidence either way. Yeah, just before

642
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.279
we recorded, I look to see if there was any

643
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.920
breaking news. The only thing I found was that a

644
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.839
bartender who served the couple that evening at the Avoco

645
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.359
Inn said that they arrived around four thirty pm, spending

646
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.160
a few hours at the bar and pull before leaving

647
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.920
between seven and seven thirty. And he said that he

648
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.200
served them at least three drinks each.

649
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.759
And remind me how far from the shore was their sailboat.

650
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.839
Do you mean from where the soulmate was from where

651
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.240
they had dinner? Yeah, I think it was about four

652
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:47.000
miles okay. But when they were in the dinghy, Brian

653
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.680
said that they were about one thousand yards or roughly

654
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.319
half a mile to Okay, so.

655
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.640
They were releive most of the way there according to

656
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:55.680
Brian's account.

657
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.519
But do you think that Brian is a reliable witness?

658
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.960
I mean not really. I think it really depends on

659
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.559
whether he is guilty of doing something or not. If

660
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.119
he is guilty of doing something, that he's absolutely not

661
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.039
a re liable witness. But we just don't know.

662
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.839
I am curious about their cell phones. There's a lot

663
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.839
that we don't know about this case. I don't know

664
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.240
if they could have picked up any geographical location. Yeah,

665
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.799
but we do know that they were at the Abaco

666
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:26.200
Inn and you know she went missing somewhere between the two.

667
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.920
But we have to question the timeline and the seven

668
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.319
hours because a lot of people point out it would

669
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.480
not have taken him seven hours to get back to

670
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.359
the Marina area well.

671
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.319
Even without so he didn't Apparently he didn't have the

672
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:45.200
motor running on the dinghy and with the currents and everything.

673
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.079
I think it's theoretically possible, right, I mean, if he's trying.

674
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:50.880
To get taken seven hours, Yeah, I.

675
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.839
Mean, if he's just trying to row a dinghy three

676
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:56.200
miles and the current is going whatever direction it's going in,

677
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:56.720
I think.

678
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:01.200
Well, people familiar to the area said that they a timeline,

679
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:02.920
like what was he doing during that time?

680
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:04.000
Yeah?

681
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.000
My understanding is that boats in the area are fairly

682
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.039
close together. And if Brian was calling for help and

683
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.039
he I forgot to mention this, but allegedly he shot

684
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:13.960
two flares off.

685
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.719
Oh, I mean, people would have seen him or heard him.

686
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:17.000
Yeah.

687
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:17.679
Absolutely.

688
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.440
Does it give you any pause that there have been

689
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.880
no signs of Lynette being in the water, you know,

690
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.800
not a shoe or shoe work glasses, not her glasses,

691
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.760
or her her bag or the key, None of those

692
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.639
things have been found in sort.

693
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.400
Of but you know, the water is a it's a

694
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.360
big place, and I don't know this particular area, but

695
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.079
you know, there's just so much open space out in

696
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.079
the water that I think it it does give me

697
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:43.639
a little bit of pause. But at the same time,

698
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.920
I can see that it could be feasible that no

699
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:47.280
trace could turn up.

700
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.079
Or could Brian have put Lynette somewhere on land, because

701
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.559
we have that seven ish hours and something.

702
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:55.840
That seems like that would be a real if he

703
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.119
was going to kill her, that seems like that would

704
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.559
be a really risky thing to do.

705
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.119
And if Brian was going to kill Annette, it probably

706
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.440
if he wanted to get rid of his wife, he

707
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.719
probably would have done it on the open water in

708
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.000
their sailboat, Like it would be more plausible to have

709
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:13.639
an accident in their sailboat.

710
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.199
Yeah right, I suppose so.

711
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.559
Yeah, Or were they having a bad day and it

712
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:22.599
was a spontaneous, you know, decision or something.

713
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.039
We have to consider it too. It could have been

714
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:26.719
an accident, could.

715
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:30.239
Have been Do you know if investigators had tried to

716
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.679
do any kind of recreation of the incident, like to

717
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:34.880
look at the effect that the currents might have had

718
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:35.320
or anything.

719
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.519
That's a really good question, and I don't think that

720
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:38.000
they have.

721
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:40.519
I would be curious about the.

722
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:42.519
Cell phones too, because I'm sure they had their cell

723
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.760
phones on them, because you remember, they were like social

724
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.599
media people and they always had their phones with them

725
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:52.000
to record whatever they were doing. Yeah, well, I hope

726
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.960
Ellinette is somewhere sipping a margarita on the beach, and

727
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:59.239
you know, maybe she wanted to escape her husband. But

728
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.440
as far as I know, she has not contacted her

729
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:03.840
daughter or her mother, and she certainly would not want

730
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.840
to leave them hanging and wondering and in pain.

731
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.679
Right, I would just say that it doesn't look very

732
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.320
good for Brian. I think all the facts like including

733
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the choking incidents and allegations, the fact that she had

734
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told her friend that the marriage was over after six

735
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.920
weeks on the boat, all these things make it seem

736
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really bad for Brian.

737
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I agree one thousand percent.

738
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I think it would be very hard on a marriage

739
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.840
to be spending all your time together on the sailboat.

740
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.440
No matter how big the sailboat was, you're basically in

741
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.960
close quarters all the time every day.

742
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:40.960
I'd love to be close to you.

743
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.440
I'm not sure what you're talking about, how dare you

744
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.760
so you wouldn't want to be right next to me?

745
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:48.519
Love to be next to you, but I would also

746
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:49.400
need a break once.

747
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:51.960
Yeah, I think it would be super hard.

748
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.519
Well, there's an old saying in sailing, the sea doesn't care.

749
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It doesn't matter how experienced you are, how prepared you

750
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:03.199
think you are. Conditions can change quickly, and small decisions

751
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.960
can have big consequences. That's why even short trips just

752
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:11.559
a couple of miles can turn serious fast. And always, always, always,

753
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:13.880
always wear your life fest even if you don't think

754
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:23.280
you need it. So is the boating life for you?

755
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:24.679
No, I don't think it really is.

756
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:26.440
So you would not want to live on us on

757
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.119
a boat, even if we could afford like a huge yacht.

758
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.639
No, I don't think so. It just it doesn't really

759
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appeal to me. I like being on the water once

760
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.639
in a while, but being out there all the time.

761
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.239
To say that you should have a friend with a boat,

762
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.440
never buy a boat.

763
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:42.480
Boats are a ton of work.

764
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:43.480
Yeah, I'm good with that.

765
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:44.239
Yeah.

766
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:48.079
I think a lot of people romanticize the sea. I

767
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.159
had a friend in high school, one of my good friends,

768
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:55.079
her dad and her brother, her uncle built a sailboat together.

769
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.159
Uh huh, and they I think they took like three

770
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:02.039
years and they sailed to us Australia. I know that

771
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.039
would be amazing, would be super scary what we have.

772
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.760
When she was little, she grew up on this sailboat.

773
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.400
I always thought that was such a cool story.

774
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.559
That really is Yeah, it would be very scary to

775
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:14.360
do that, but it's also super impressive.

776
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:18.159
Yeah, yeah, they were really smart people. But yeah, I

777
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:21.519
don't I think I would get really tired of being

778
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:22.519
on the sea.

779
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:22.960
All the time.

780
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.079
Yeah, it would be sort of the opposite of claustrophobia,

781
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:27.960
which I wasn't sure what the word for that was,

782
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.599
But there is a word the lasophobia, the lasophobia, which

783
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.000
is the fear of being out on the open ocean,

784
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.760
like with no horizon in sight. I think that would

785
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.159
that would freak me out after a.

786
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.880
While, the lasa phobia, the lasophobia, was that in your

787
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.639
vernacular before you just googled it?

788
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:47.800
No, that's I said. I had to look it up

789
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.880
because I knew there was some term for it, but

790
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.480
I didn't know what it was. Although there is a

791
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.960
subreddit called the lasophobia that I have seen before, but

792
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.039
I didn't really know what it meant. But it's like

793
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.599
pictures of things that are kind of scary.

794
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:03.519
Can you give me an example.

795
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.519
Yeah, like like videos of like big tankers out in

796
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.800
the middle of the ocean that are like going up

797
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.559
and down these huge waves that are like the size

798
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:12.760
of tall buildings.

799
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.400
Things like that, and the thought of like a vast

800
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.239
openness is intimidating and scary and feeling like you're the

801
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.320
only person in the world. Well, a little black cat

802
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.760
has been dying to get in this room, and somehow

803
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:26.480
she got in all by.

804
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:27.480
Her wants to be heard.

805
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.760
So if you guys hear any it was the second

806
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.119
half of the episode, and she's in here now making

807
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:33.880
a lot of noise.

808
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.119
But Clover, not Cosmo.

809
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:38.960
I think we talk about Cosmo gets way more airtime

810
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.840
than Clover he does. I feel like everyone knows Cosmo's name,

811
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:42.800
but some types were like and.

812
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:43.519
The girl cat.

813
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.719
A lot of times Cosmo comes in here and lays

814
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.920
on the bean bag chair while we record.

815
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.599
And listen to hear us.

816
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.920
Yeah, we should play it like when at night, we

817
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.239
should play it for him to go to sea. Lately

818
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.920
he has been sleeping like on me or as close

819
00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:58.719
as he can get to me.

820
00:39:58.960 --> 00:39:59.760
Yeah, and he loves you.

821
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.440
I don't love it. Why do scientists Why don't scientists

822
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:05.400
trust Adams?

823
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:07.679
I don't know what, because they.

824
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:11.599
Make up everything. Why did the frog take the bus

825
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:17.320
to work? I don't know his car got towed? Why

826
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:20.920
did the picture end up in prison? Come on, you

827
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:26.039
could guess what it was. Frame. What's the difference between

828
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.000
a hippo and a zippo?

829
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:30.280
One's a little lighter.

830
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.760
Okay, I'll give it. I'll give you that pretty close.

831
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All right.

832
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Well that's all I have for you. Thank you for

833
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those Hope you guys, You're welcome. I hope you all

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Oh my mind just went blank there for a second.

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Until next time, don't kill your wife and don't kill

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your husband.

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