Erin and Jon Corwin - Part 1

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Hi, I'm Rich and I'm Tina. And if there's one thing we've learned

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in over twenty years of marriage,
some days you'll feel like killing your husband,

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and some days you'll feel like killing
your wife. Welcome to love,

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Mary Kill, Hey Tina, Hey
Rich, Hey listeners, how are you?

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I'm good? How are you good? How's everybody doing out there?

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You can't answer me? Trying to
involve our listeners in the experience. But

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you know, I heard a couple, did you. So it's a little

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stormy out there today. Yeah,
it's been kind of gloomy here. It

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has, but literally there's a thunderstorm
on its way. I might hear a

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rumble of thunder in the background.
It's a little hot and sticky too.

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And I know you've probably never noticed
this before, but every time we podcast,

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I pretty much wear the same thing. I didn't know, you know,

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I have like I'm not very observed, you know, like it's game

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day. I have lucky pants,
and my lucky pants are not really my

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lucky pants, but my comfortable pants
are my viewory joggers. So yeah,

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but I'm not wearing them today because
I'm really hot. So I'm wearing shorts.

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If anyone has been on the fence
about buying the Vory Joggers my favorite.

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They're pricy, They're really pricey.
We're not going to go We're not

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going to tell you how much they
are, Okay, but I don't know.

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They are my favorite pants, although
I found a pair of on Amazon

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that are like, Amazon does a
lot of I don't want to say ripoffs,

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but they have a lot of knockoffs, I guess of other famous brands.

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So if you go to Amazon and
you put in like your favorite Lulu

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Lemon leggings or Theory jog joggers,
a lot of times they'll have a knockoff.

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And the knockoffs were pretty nice too. That's a good tip. Yes,

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you're welcome. I'm wearing purple today. Did you notice that? I

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mean I have eyes? So,
yes I did. It's not purple,

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it's lavenders. So it's the closest
I had to purple. My other purple

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shirt is in the in the laundry. So but I'm wearing, well,

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that is fusha. The other shirt
that you got some stains on, very

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cute. You're like, probably from
what can we do about this? Probably

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from eating barbecue or something. But
I'm wearing purple because it actually pertains to

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the case today. Oh it's about
Barney. No, tinky winky. Purple

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became the color that symbolized are the
victim that we're going to talk about today?

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She have lupus. No, okay, well, lupus purple is the

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couple the color for lupas awareness.
I did not know that. Yeah,

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okay, Well, I've got a
snack other than this cup of tea I

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have not eaten yet today. And
it's what two thirty, No, it's

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it's not even two okay. Oh
man, Well here I've prepared this delicacy.

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I'm excited for you. Holy moly, what is that charcoutery? Though?

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What the heck? Oh, it's
three different things. So, so

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the case today it involves the Marines, and I like to try to spy

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if I can. I like to
make the snack relevant to the case.

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And I was trying to think,
well, what do marines, what do

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they eat? And when they're out
on duty and they're out in the field,

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they have to have, you know, food that can can be preserved.

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So I bought two energy bars.
One they're both the brand is r

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X bar. One has peanut butter
and chocolate, and one is just peanut

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butter. So protein bars okay,
and then beef jerky. Apparently Marines really

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like their beef jerky because again you
can carry it out in the field in

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the desert or whatever. So I
bought and everyone like brief jerky. Yeah,

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Deerborn Brand Classic Hunters Sausage. Deerborn
Brand is a Michigan based brand.

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I bought it. And what about
these apples? Well, my case also

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involves horses, and I know horses
like apples, so I'm just like a

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horse. You like, we all
like apples. Everybody loves apples. So

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your episode that you're about to present, it's probably going to be two parts

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it probably so should I ration this? No, you should probably rash in

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that. Okay, this I know. Dearborn Brand is a Michigan It's kind

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of smells, it's kind of gross's
kind it's kind of slimy. Yeah,

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but I can't wait to dig in. Yeah, let's take a quick break

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and try our snacks. We'll be
right back. What do you think of

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that smorgash board of snacks? Well, first, I would like to compliment

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you on your presentation because it's put
a little toothpicks in it. It's it's

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very it's very fancy. I'm not
the biggest bar person. I don't.

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I don't really eat even granola bars. I but energy bars. I'm not

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a huge fan of our protein bars. Well they weren't horrible, because I

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really I really like cliff bars a
lot, and I used to like power

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bars a lot. But these they
only have like three ingredients dates, peanuts,

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and egg whites. Yeah, so
they're healthy, but they're grainy.

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I think that's what I didn't like. Yeah, I didn't love the texture

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that the apple was good, and
I actually really despite the smell, I

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thought the sausage was really it was
tasty flavor, slightly slimy, but pretty

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sliminess. But I didn't touch it. I just popped it in my mouth.

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Well, thank you for the snacks. You're welcome. It will be

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working on getting the protein bar out
of my teeth while you present this episode,

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all right. Today's episode is about
Aaron Corwyn, who was just two

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weeks shy of her twentieth birthday and
four weeks pregnant when she vanished on June

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twenty eight, twenty fourteen. She
lived with her husband Marine Corporal John Corwyn

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in twenty nine Palms, California.
Twenty nine Palms is a small city about

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twenty five thousand people, one hundred
and fifty miles east of Los Angeles.

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Twenty nine Palms is known for two
things. It's the home of the Marine

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Corps Air Ground Combat Center, which
is the largest US Marine Corps base,

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and it's also the gateway to Joshua
Tree National Park. Joshua Tree is part

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of the Mojave Desert, which is
a massive area covering thirty one thousand miles.

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The young couple had been having some
problems, which we'll get into.

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Aaron had told John that she needed
some quote me time. Aaron's mom was

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planning to visit soon from Tennessee,
and so Aaron said she was going to

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take the day on the twenty eighth, which was a Saturday, to drive

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out to Joshua Tree and scout out
some locations where she might want to take

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her mom. Have a question,
how old is John? I think he's

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like twenty one or two, so
they're both very young, very young.

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Aaron woke up at dawn on the
twenty eighth and got ready to go.

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She made a quick call to her
best friend Jesse, back in Tennessee,

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and then she gave John, who
was still in bed, a kiss goodbye.

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She said, I'm heading out for
the day, John, I love

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you. She said she'd be back
by four that afternoon. John said love

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you too. When she still wasn't
home by sunset, John was worried.

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By midnight, he was freaking out. The next morning, he called the

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San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department to report
her missing, setting off a massive search

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and rescue effort and investigation. But
before we get deeper into all that,

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let's talk about Aaron's background. Aaron
was born on July fifteenth, nineteen ninety

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four, in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
At two weeks old, her birth mother

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decided that she wasn't able to care
for the newborn baby, and she made

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the difficult decision to put her up
for adoption. She ended up in foster

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care with Lore and Bill Hevelyn.
At two weeks old, she was in

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foster care. Yeah, and Lore. It's spelled l l O r E.

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I thought it was Laurie, but
apparently it's Lore. She and Bill

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Heavilyn. They lived in Oakridge,
Tennessee, which is a city not far

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from Knoxville. In nineteen seventy eight, Lare gave birth to a daughter,

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Christy, and then two years later
to a son, Keith. When Christy

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was in second grade and Keith in
kindergarten, Laura and Bill believed that God

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spoke to them and said that they
should become foster parents. Laura's own parents

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had fostered several children when she was
growing up, and it had a big

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impact on her. They fostered several
children, mostly newborns, for various periods

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of time until the birth parents either
decided to keep them or to give them

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up for permanent adoption. In nineteen
eighty nine, they fostered a three year

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old boy named Alex who had fetal
alcohol syndrome and decided to adopt him permanently.

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At the same time, they adopted
Alex's older brother, John, who

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was nine at the time living in
a group home and he had ADHD and

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other behavioral problems. A couple of
years later, they took in a fifteen

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year old girl named Taylor with the
intent of adopting her as well, and

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then in nineteen ninety four they took
in Erin as a foster child initially,

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but they knew right away that she
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their family, and so they ended
up adopting her as well. So at

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this point they had six kids,
two sixteen year old girls, two fourteen

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year old boys, one with special
needs, an eight year old boy with

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special needs, and then baby Aaron. When Aaron was five, they adopted

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a twenty month twenty one month old
girl named Tricia, who had been born

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with multiple birth defects, including spina
bifida. She had a lot of medical

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issues and she was in and out
of the hospital, and sadly, she

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died when she was three due to
an infection that had spread to her bloodstream.

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So this family sounds like they're good
people with good hearts. Yeah,

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definitely, very busy, yes,
for sure. With Trisha's death, you

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know, Aaron had been so happy
to be a big sister that it was

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especially hard on her. While Laura
and Bill temporarily fostered more newborn babies after

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that, they didn't adopt any more
children. When Alex was in fourth grade

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and Aaron was in kindergarten, Laura
and Bill decided to homeschool because of Alex's

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learning disability. He struggled in school, and I think the couple thought it

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would be better at homeschool him and
figured if they were going to homeschool,

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they might as well homeschool Aaron as
well. While Aaron was good at math,

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science, and history, her real
passion was animals. Over the years,

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the family had dogs, cats,
skinny pigs, rabbits, and fish,

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and Aaron was like the animal whisperer. She had this really calm and

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patient presence and she was nurturing and
caring, and so she was able to

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train the animals where others couldn't.
At ten, Aaron joined the local four

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h club and she developed a passion
for horses. As she got involved in

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the four ah equestrian program, she
became a regular at a local horse farm,

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volunteering to help out with the horses
however she could. At ten or

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eleven, Aaron met her future husband, John Corwyn at the horse farm.

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John was a year older than Aaron. Aaron didn't hang out with him until

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much later, but she became good
friends with John's sister. At twelve,

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a family friend gave her a rescue
horse, and she was like super responsible.

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She would feed it, exercise,
it bathed the horace Dalely, she

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got really into barrel racing, which
is a rodeo event. She later had

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another horse that had a mean streak
and everyone thought was untrainable, but Aaron

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worked with the horse patiently and persevered
until over time it became really friendly and

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well behaved. And that type of
story, it's you hear it over and

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over about Aaron, like she took
on like horses that were really difficult and

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she was able to train them when
no one else really could. So she

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sounds like a very kind shatters more
in person for sure. At fourteen,

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she got a part time job helping
out a veterinarian. She loved being with

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the animals, but she also realized
that she could never be a vet because

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having to euthanize animals was just too
heartbreaking for her. At sixteen, Aaron

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got a job at the local tractor
supply company. There she met Jesse Trentham,

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who would become Aaron's best friend and
confidante. Aaron was a good kid,

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rarely got into trouble. She had
thoughts of girlfriends that she would hang

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out with. People said she was
shy, but once you got to know

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her, she would talk and talk. When she was fifteen, Laura and

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Bill let Aaron have a Facebook account. Soon after that, John Corwin,

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who she had met a few years
earlier, friended her and the two started

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messaging each other. John had been
born and raised in Oak Ridge. He

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was a quiet kid who liked going
four wheeling and he liked shooting guns.

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From a young age, his dream
was to become a marine. Aaron's parents

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didn't allow dating without a chaperone until
age sixteen, so mostly Aaron and John

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talked online and they saw each other
sometimes at the horse farm. On her

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sixteenth birthday, John asked Laura for
permission to ask Aaron out on a date.

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Laura and Bill thought that John was
polite and he came from a good

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family, and so they agreed,
and a few days later the two went

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on their first date to see Despicable
Me at the theater. Within five or

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six weeks they were actually a couple, and within six or nine months they

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started getting serious, even talking about
marriage. So very very young John,

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yeah, exactly. When John finished
high school, he signed up for the

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Marines as planned, and he left
for the thirteen week boot camp in June.

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The night before he left, he
gave Aaron a promise ring they couldn't

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talk much while he was away at
boot camp, and so they wrote a

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lot of letters back and forth,
and after finishing boot camp in September,

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John was sent to a base in
Oklahoma to complete his training over the next

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three months, and then after that
he got stationed in twenty nine Palms out

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in California. While Laura and Bill
liked John, they were hoping that him

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being away would slow things down a
bit. But Aaron was smitten, and

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during her senior year of homeschooling,
she started making plans to join John in

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twenty nine Palms. No college,
no career. She was basically making a

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choice to become a military wife.
Laura and Bill tried to get Aaron to

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realize how hard this would be.
First of all, Aaron wasn't well traveled.

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She had always lived with her family
in Oak Ridge, and being a

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military wife could be lonely, especially
with the possibility of John being deployed on

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a moment's notice for months at a
time. During Aaron's senior year, John

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asked Laura and Bill for their permission
to propose to Aaron. They wanted to

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ask John to wait a couple of
years, but I think they realized that

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it was feudal, and so they
gave their permission reluctantly. John came home

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that summer and proposed to Aaron on
July fourth, eleven days before her eighteenth

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birthday. Aaron was over the moon. She started planning a wedding, but

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with John's service, it was hard
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So instead, in November of twenty
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to Las Vegas to attend the Marine
Corps ball with John, and after the

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ball was over, they drove down
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the world famous Chapel of the Bells. So they're both eighteen. He was

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probably nineteen at that point. There
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share with you. Aaron was wearing
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his uniform. Honestly, they looked
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H they were just so young.
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John and Aaron lived pretty much separate
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He did well in the Marines.
He quickly advanced from private to corporal.

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He was well respected by his fellow
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and he became skilled at firing a
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working at the tractor supply company and
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Finally, on September twenty fifth of
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after her nineteenth birthday, Aaron flew
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Palms. John was still on deployment
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and so Aaron moved her stuff into
the apartment that John had already been living

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in when he wasn't deployed. It
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It was meant for married soldiers,
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Each apartment had two bedrooms, one
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a living room. John and Aaron's
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got back from Japan and the newlyweds
settled into their new life. Aaron used

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some of her savings to buy a
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pickup truck. They adopted two rescue
dogs and later a cat. Aaron was

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definitely a little homesick and lonely,
especially at first as John was busy with

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his duties. Aaron talked to her
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With most of the people at the
marine base being far from home and many

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of the wives staying at the apartment
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strong bonds can form between couples and
families, almost like becoming an extended

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family unit, and for John and
Aaron, there were two other couples that

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became really important in their lives,
the Milwaukee's and the Lee's. Connor and

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Ashling Milwaukee lived in one of the
downstairs units. When Aaron first moved in,

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Ashling was pregnant with her first child
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Aaron, with her caring, nurturing
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could, and then when Ashling's son, Brian, was born in November of

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twenty thirteen, Aaron, Ashling,
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one of their apartments, talking and
watching movies together. The other couple that

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made up this surrogate family was Chris
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the unit next to John and Aaron. Chris and Nicole were originally from Anchorage,

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Alaska. They were a few years
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had already served two tours in Afghanistan, and the couple had a six year

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old daughter named Liberty. The three
guys all became good friends, hanging out

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having beers together. Sometimes the guys
would go off to Joshua Tree together to

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do some off roading or shoot their
guns, or maybe do some hiking.

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While they were on duty. The
three wives would stop by each other's places

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to hang out in chit chat,
and on weekends or evenings when everyone was

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around, the three couples would barbecue
together outside the complex or watch movies and

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TV shows together. The couples all
got along well, more or less,

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although there were some complaints about Chris
and Nicole. Neither of them was very

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domestic and their place was always a
disaster area, toys all over the place,

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dishes piled up in the sink.
Nicole could be blunt and rude,

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and she would impose on others to
babysit Liberty without offering to pay. One

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time, Chris and Nicole dropped Liberty
off with Ashling, supposedly just for the

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night. But then the two went
off to Las Vegas for the weekend and

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they ignored Ashling's calls and so she
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Also, Nicole was obsessed with football
on Sundays during football season. She

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would tell everyone not to call her, not to text her, don't bother

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her at all. She was just
going to be on the couch watching football

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all day. Ashley would have to
take care of Nicole's daughter every Sunday in

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the fall because Nicole would be too
busy with her game. Yeah. I

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don't see a problem with that,
But you know, some people might sounds

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kind of like you, But I
don't think you ever ever neglected our children.

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People would say that Chris seemed kind
of off. Also, he seemed

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to have anger issues, and he
also had a large weapon collection, including

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several guns and knives, a blowgun, a machette, and a potato gun.

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What's a blowgun? A blowgun is
like a dart gun, like where

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you blow through a tube like a
little dart. Yeah, he was preoccupied

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with weapons that he liked to blow
things up. At least once he got

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reprimanded by his commanding officer for playing
around with rifles and rocket launchers. When

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he got back from his second tour
in Afghanistan, he seemed depressed. He

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hadn't seen any combat while he was
there, but starting in April of twenty

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thirteen, when he returned, people
said that he just didn't seem to care

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about anything. He was drinking more
than before, he wasn't doing as well

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in his job as before, and
his temper was worse. He and Nicole

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would fight frequently. One time he
told her he'd rather be deployed again to

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a war zone than to be with
her. I'm beginning to wonder why you're

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talking so much about Chris and Nicole. M Yeah, might be onto something

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there. While Chris was away in
Afghanistan the last time, Nicole started going

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to a place called the White Rock
Ranch, which is a horse rescue located

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about a half hour from twenty nine
Palms. It's a nonprofit organization run by

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a woman named Isabelle Megley. She
takes in horses that have been abandoned or

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abused. She takes care of them
and then tries to find permanent homes for

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them. If she can't find a
permanent home for the horse, they'll live

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out their days at the ranch.
Nicole liked to go there, and when

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Chris was depressed after getting back from
Afghanistan, she started taking him there as

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well, and it seemed to help
him. He liked the horses, but

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he would also fix things around the
ranch. Of course, Aaron loved horses

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too, and so she and Nicole
bonded over this, and Aaron started going

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with Nicole and Chris to the ranch. John wasn't super interested in horses,

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so he would generally stay behind.
All in all, everything seemed good for

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the three young families on the surface, at least, but as twenty fourteen

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rolled around, Chris and Nicole were
continuing to fight, mostly because of Chris's

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drinking and his hair trigger temper,
and John and Aaron started having money troubles.

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John's salary at that point was around
eighteen hundred dollars a month or twenty

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one thousand dollars a year. Wow, that's not much. Yeah, he

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did get free housing, but that's
still not a lot to live on.

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By January of twenty fourteen, John
and Aaron had blown through the savings that

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Aaron had and they were racking up
credit card debt. John and Aaron would

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fight and they would blame each other. Was Aaron still working. She was

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not working at this time. But
John would, you know, accuse her

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of spending too much on groceries and
clothing while she saw him wasting money on

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toys like the sand rail that he
bought. Do you know what a sand

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rail isn't It's sort of like a
dune buggy, like a little vehicle for

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off roading, like in the desert
or whatever. Inexpensive. No, I

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know that sounds fun though, Yeah
it does. Aaron. She did take

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a job at the local tractor supply
company for a while, but it was

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a forty five minute commute each way, which she hated, and she only

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stayed for a few weeks. And
after that she tried to make some extra

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money babysitting for different families on the
base. So it was twenty nine palms

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kind of in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, pretty much. It's like

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out in the desert. In January
of twenty fourteen, Aaron found out that

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she was pregnant. It wasn't something
that she and John had planned, but

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it was definitely something Aaron wanted.
As we've seen, she was really nurturing

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and being a mom was something she
had always dreamed of, so she was

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ecstatic. She shared the news with
friends and family, but sadly, just

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a few weeks after finding out,
she had severe cramps and went to the

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er, where she found out that
she had miscarried. This added more stress

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to the marriage, as John was
very reserved and he internalized his sadness,

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which made Aaron feel like he didn't
care. Shopping was a coping mechanism for

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her, which worsened the couple's debt. John took away her credit cards,

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which made Aaron feel trapped and it
caused resentment. Aaron would tell all this

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to her friend Jesse, with whom
she would share everything on their regular phone

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calls and through texting. So to
sum up, you've got Aaron and John,

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who are both really young, relative
newlyweds, having financial troubles, having

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a lot of stress in their marriage, especially with the miscarriage. You've got

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Chris and Nicole having troubles, so
you can probably guess where this is going.

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By early February, people were noticing
that Aaron and Chris seemed a bit

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overly friendly around each other. One
time, Ashling noticed Aaron was giggling at

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anything Chris said, and they were
standing closer to each other than seemed normal.

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Ashling asked Aaron about it, and
she admitted that she found Chris attractive,

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but it was just a bit of
harmless flirting. Isabelle, who owned

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the horse ranch, noticed it too. She even pulled Nicole aside and mentioned

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it to her, but Nicole said
it was no big deal. Aaron and

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Chris were just friends. Nicole had
had a miscarriage a few years ago herself,

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and so she was sympathetic toward Aaron, and she was actually happy that

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Chris could be there for her.
Their growing friendship seemed to lift Chris's mood

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as well, and so Nicole was
okay with it, and she didn't think

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anything else was going on. On
Sunday evenings, the three couples would usually

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get together in one of their apartments
to watch The Walking Dead. Aaron didn't

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like the graphic violence in the show, so she would actually go off and

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do her own thing on those nights. One night in February, they got

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together to watch the show, minus
Connor and Ashley, who weren't available,

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but with the addition of another couple
from the base oh. Aaron went off

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to her room to hang out,
and Chris said he had missed a couple

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of episodes, so he would go
hang out with Aaron and play Halo on

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Xbox in her bedroom. Yeah,
I know, I see a lot of

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these The things in this story are
like, I would be really uncomfortable if

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I was John or if I was
one of the spouses, because it just

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seems like but eighteen exactly, she's
nineteen at this point, right. Yeah.

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And also these families are I think
they're so close that they're almost like,

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you know, another family to each
other. And so for these two

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are flirtatious. Yeah, exactly.
You said Chris was older. Do you

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know how much older? I think
he was maybe five years older, give

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or take. Okay, So Chris
goes in to play Halo with Aaron on

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the Xbox in the bedroom while everybody
else is watching The Walking Dead. At

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one point, while they were playing, they looked at each other and they

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kissed. It only apparently, well
everyone else is in the other room,

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Yeah, watching TV. How do
you know this? Hap? Never mind,

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it only lasted a few seconds and
at the end of the night the

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couples all went their separate ways.
But later Chris sent Aaron a text and

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they exchanged messages and I think they
were talking about the kiss, like wow,

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that was weird, huh, Like
gosh crazy. So up to that

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point there hadn't been Up to that
point, it had just been kind of

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flirtation and that type of thing.
I can see how playing Halo would be

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a very romantic activity, I guess. So. A few nights later,

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Aaron and John had a fight and
Aaron couldn't sleep, and so she texted

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Chris. She seemed disillusioned with their
marriage, saying, quote, I can't

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believe this is happening. This isn't
what it was supposed to be like unquote.

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Chris asked her to meet him outside
and talk about it. He told

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Nicole that Aaron was having a hard
time and he was going to go talk

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to her. Nicole was like,
fine, just don't belong. They met

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at the playground behind the apartment complex
and they sat and talked and kissed four

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hours until two am. Nicole was
not happy when Chris came back in,

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but he lied and said he was
just talking to her. Did you think

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that Nicole would have been like,
oh, I'll go talk to her.

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Yeah. Again, A lot of
these situations I just find like I think

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about like me and you. I'm
like, if you said, yeah,

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I'm gonna go talk to the guy
who lives next door because he's having some

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problems, I would be very uncomfortable
with that. Yeah, but you know,

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again, they were in this situation
I think where they were just like

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a tight little family unit. The
next morning, after John left for work,

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Chris went over to their apartment and
they made out some more. After

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that, the two of them started
texting back and forth constantly. After a

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few weeks, he texted Aaron and
said that he loved her. Aaron and

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Chris weren't able to see each other
because he and John worked a similar schedule.

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In the mornings, John would get
up and go for a workout at

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six am. Chris would get up
and tell Nicole that he was going to

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work out, but instead he would
go see Aaron for a while at their

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apartment. Which is really weird.
Again, you think about it, like

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they lived right next door to each
other. Yeah, so Aaron is like

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in her apartment and Chris is next
door. Well, I can't help but

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think that Chris is taking advantage of
her too, because she's so young,

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not that five years, But the
difference between nineteen and twenty four or twenty

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five is pretty big. Yeah,
for sure. Aaron would tell Chris about

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her marital problems with John. She
said she wanted to go back home to

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Tennessee and admitted that her parents had
been right that maybe getting married so young

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wasn't the best idea. So as
Aaron still hit talking to her family back

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home or are they coming to visit
her? They have a good relationship.

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Yeah, she has a great relationship
with her parents. I don't think she

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confided in them, like the marital
problems and things like that at this point.

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That's hard because she probably thought that
she had to present this all We're

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doing great. Yeah, so glad
that I got married at eighteen. Yeah,

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especially when her parents were, you
know, trying to warn her of

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how hard it would be. The
one her friend Jesse back home. She'll

408
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.920
come into the story more as we
go on, but she she talked to

409
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:21.160
Jesse about everything. That's how we
know a lot of these things that happened

410
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:26.119
early on. Chris also opened up
to Aaron about the depression that he had

411
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.680
been suffering from since returning from Afghanistan. He told her that he had done

412
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.440
dangerous things like driving recklessly to see
you know how close he could cut it

413
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.440
to getting into an accident. And
he also said that he played Russian Roulette

414
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:44.200
a few times. So let's just
talk for a second about soldiers returning home

415
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.039
and not getting the support that they
need and the mental health support, because

416
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.160
that's such an important thing, and
I think it's a huge crisis. It's

417
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.400
a horrible thing. Yeah, that
you know, these soldiers go, they're

418
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.440
serving their country, they're doing you
know, they're putting themselves in arms way

419
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.440
to keep us safe, and then
they come back home and they don't get

420
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.680
the support. Well, and you
said he's making eight they're making like eighteen

421
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.799
thousand dollars a year. Yeah,
I mean even with free housing. That's

422
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:12.200
right. That's really sad. Now, the one thing I will say about

423
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:18.279
Chris is that he didn't see any
combat when he was in Afghanistan. He

424
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.440
didn't fire his weapon once, he
didn't see anything. And in some ways

425
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.759
that was actually kind of like he
was disappointed that he didn't see combat or

426
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:30.599
you know, get to kill anyone, or survivor's guilt. I don't know

427
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.039
if it was survivor's guilt or that
he just he really wanted to, like,

428
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:36.839
he wanted to fire his weapon.
He thought it would be cool to

429
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.440
like be in combat, and he
never got to do that, and so

430
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:45.079
he was sad about that. Or
maybe he just he felt like he could

431
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:49.759
have done more to Maybe maybe the
impression I get is that he is kind

432
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.319
of a little off and you know, would kind of get off on I

433
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.279
guess I'm trying to give him the
benefit of the doubt that it's not that

434
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.680
he wanted to shoot his weapon.
It's just that he wanted to protect his

435
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.480
country and his fellow soldiers. Maybe
let's see what else we learned about Chris

436
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.920
that might make you change your mind. On Valentine's Day, the three couples

437
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.200
got together at Connor and Ashling's apartment
to hang out and watch some movies.

438
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:17.559
Nothing says Valentine's Day like hanging out
with two other couples watching movies. By

439
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:22.359
midnight, everyone had gone their separate
ways. Connor and Ashling had gone off

440
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.960
to bed, and John and Nicole
apparently got tired and went back to their

441
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.039
respective apartments, leaving Aaron and Chris
alone together in Connor and Ashling's living room.

442
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.359
Again. The situation that would be
very uncomfortable. Yeah, they were

443
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:40.599
watching Mulan Rouge and they started making
out on Connor and Ashling's couch. Ashling

444
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.759
got up to get her baby a
bottle, and she saw them. She

445
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.720
acted like she didn't see them,
though, and she just started making noise

446
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:52.079
in the kitchen. And at that
point, Chris can feel, we can,

447
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:53.440
can't you? I can feel how
awkward that must have felt. So

448
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.920
when they heard her in the kitchen, Chris got up and he left really

449
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.880
quick. And then Aaron pretended like
she had been asleep and had just woke

450
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.720
up. Ashling was like, what
are you doing, Aaron? And Aaron

451
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.000
said that she and John had had
a fight and so she thought she would

452
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.000
sleep on Ashling's sofa. Ashling was
like, that's fine, you know whatever,

453
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:15.200
and then she went back in her
room. Ashling did and she texted

454
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:17.920
Chris saying, what were you and
Aaron doing on the couch. He lied

455
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.799
at first, but then he admitted
that they had been making out, and

456
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.680
he begged Ashley not to tell anyone. Ashling reluctantly agreed to keep things to

457
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:30.839
herself, which again puts her in
a very awkward position. She did talk

458
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.599
separately to Chris and Aaron, and
she urged them both to break things off,

459
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:38.000
and they both said that they were
going to Ashling didn't tell John or

460
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:43.640
Nicole, but she did tell her
husband, Connor, who then confronted Chris.

461
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.640
Chris claimed to Connor that he wasn't
serious about Aaron and that he was

462
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.720
going to break it off soon.
Chris's active duty military service was actually ending

463
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.720
in July, and he was planning
to return to Anchorage with Nicole and their

464
00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:01.680
daughter, Liberty, but the relationship
continued, and Aaron and Chris started talking

465
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:07.799
about divorcing John and Nicole. Aaron
confided in her friend Jesse about the affair,

466
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.680
and she told her she was thinking
about divorcing John and moving to Alaska

467
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.640
with Chris after his service was over. Nicole, in the meantime, noticed

468
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:22.200
that Chris was texting constantly. She
started thinking that Chris was having an affair,

469
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.599
but strangely enough, I don't think
she suspected that it was Aaron.

470
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.880
One night, after Chris had been
out drinking and he was sound asleep,

471
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.799
Nicole took his phone off the nightstand. She couldn't unlock it, but Nicole

472
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.920
was pretty smart. She was able
to take the SIM card out of the

473
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:43.079
phone and plug it into her laptop, which allowed her to see all the

474
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.839
text messages between Chris and Aaron.
So of course she blew up at Chris,

475
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.480
who swore that they hadn't had sex, which I actually believe was true

476
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.759
at this point, just because of
Again, Aaron talked to Jesse. Yeah,

477
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.440
we know everything because of Jesse.
He said that they had only kissed

478
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.880
about four times, which was definitely
a lie. They had kissed much more

479
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.960
than that. He blamed the affair
on his depression, and he begged Nicole

480
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.440
for a second chance. He said
he'd go to a marriage counselor or something

481
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.320
that he had rejected before. At
this point, you have to wonder,

482
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.920
he has the option to leave Nicole, why not just get divorced, because

483
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.519
well, I think it's mainly because
of his daughter. He had a five

484
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:28.360
year old daughter, and he felt
like if he divorced Nicole he would probably

485
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:34.000
not get to see her very often, if ever again. So Nicole also

486
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.320
didn't want to end things, so
she actually agreed to try and work things

487
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.840
out with Chris, but she said
that he would have to earn her trust

488
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:46.000
back. Chris told Nicole about Ashling
having seen him and Aaron on the couch,

489
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:52.000
which of course made Nicole furious at
Ashling because Ashling had basically told Chris

490
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.599
she would keep it confidential. Yea, So Nicole texted Ashling saying, quote,

491
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.000
I am so hurt and I'm so
disgusted that you, as my friend

492
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.920
tell my husband, didn't tell me
my husband was having an affair with Aaron.

493
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.840
I can't believe you didn't tell me. You said nothing, and you

494
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:08.320
hit it from me. I don't
blame her one bit. No, I

495
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:13.400
don't either. Ashling replied and said, quote, they are adults. I

496
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.559
said my two cents. I thought
they ended it, and apparently they didn't.

497
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:22.079
Nicole took Chris's phone and she deleted
Aaron's number from it. She seemed

498
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.880
to blame Aaron for seducing her husband, but she also started keeping close tabs

499
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.920
on Chris one time, and I
had to laugh at this. Nicole had

500
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:35.039
to go somewhere and she called Ashling
and said, can you watch Chris for

501
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.599
me? Because he needs to be
watched. Can you just keep track of

502
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.239
him and see if he's texting Ashley
again? Ashley is in the middle all

503
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.519
the time here, She was like, you know, she's girl, this

504
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.679
is not going to work if you
want your husband babies yet. But she

505
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.079
said okay. Ashley was like fine, So it's like she went to there.

506
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.079
A few minutes later, Chris shows
up and he plops himself down on

507
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.480
Ashling's couch so that she could keep
an eye on him while Nicole went out

508
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:04.400
and ran her errands. Well,
how does Nicole trust ashleying like you could

509
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.320
start up with her next? I
know, I know, Ashley to her

510
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.400
crest she was when Chris got there, she was like, you know,

511
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.400
I'm not going to babysit you.
I'm going to my room and you do

512
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.480
what do what you want. At
this point, the only person among the

513
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.159
three couples that didn't know about the
affair was poor John. Yeah, and

514
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:27.400
things were really awkward among the couples
and they didn't really get together much for

515
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.360
a month or so until April when
they planned to cook out together. Was

516
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.000
John like, what the heck is
going on? I wonder? You know,

517
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.400
I didn't I didn't read much about
you know what he was thinking at

518
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.719
this time, but you had to
think he would be like things are strange,

519
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.320
well, and how is everyone towards
Aaron. Well, yeah, again,

520
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.159
I don't really know. I think
that Nicole was very she was very

521
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.519
cold toward Aaron, like I think
she didn't talk to her at all,

522
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.039
but I think everyone else was like. Their apartments are right next door to

523
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.840
each other. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. So they had planned this cookout

524
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.000
in April with the three cups.
John had bought some meat to cook and

525
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:07.840
he brought it downstairs to Connor and
Ashling's apartment to start prepping it. Aaron

526
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.599
was still upstairs and Chris was out
on some assignment. I'm not sure where

527
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:15.360
Connor was, so it was only
Nicole, Ashling, and John in the

528
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.400
apartment, and Nicole decided to tell
John about the affair at that point.

529
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.719
Yeah, she told him everything,
and he was kind of like and he

530
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.400
was kind of in shock. John
is very reserved, as I've seen some

531
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.920
interviews with him, and he's just
very like soft spoken, and I think

532
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:37.559
after Nicole told him, he was
just like okay, and then he asked

533
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.119
Ashling to go again. Ashley put
in the middle of all this. He

534
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:45.280
asked Ashling to go upstairs and ask
Aaron to come down, which she did,

535
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:50.360
And why wouldn't he just go up
to their apartment and be like,

536
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.360
we need to talk. That was
the next sentence in my script. I'm

537
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.440
not sure why John chose to confront
Aaron in front of Ashley and Nicole,

538
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.519
but that's what he did. John
started talking to her, but then Nicole

539
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:05.639
started yelling at Aaron, and Aaron
turned to leave, telling John she would

540
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.760
be upstairs if he wanted to talk, and Nicole got in her face as

541
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:13.360
she was trying to leave, and
she said, if you ever have anything

542
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.320
else to do with my husband,
I'll kill you myself. Oh is that

543
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.679
foreshadowing, Well, we'll see,
yeah, don't tell us. John then

544
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.920
asked Ashling if she would go upstairs
with him to act as an intermediary as

545
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:30.400
he talked to Aaron, because he
thought Aaron would be less likely to lie

546
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:37.320
to him with her there. But
again, yeah, Ashley, she obviously

547
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:42.440
allowed herself to be put in this
position, but I also feel some sympathy.

548
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:46.519
Again, Ashley agreed. The two
of them went upstairs. Aaron confessed

549
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.400
to John that she and Chris had
kissed a few times, but she said

550
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.280
that Chris had initiated it. John
said that he wanted to work on their

551
00:38:54.320 --> 00:39:00.840
marriage and fix things, and Aaron
agreed. So now these three couples that

552
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:06.440
had grown so close to each other
were in this really awkward situation, all

553
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:10.440
living in the same complex. John
never confronted Chris directly. They pretty much

554
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.079
just avoided each other, so did
Aaron and Nicole. Ashling and Connor,

555
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.360
as usual, were in the middle. They were still talking to both couples.

556
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.239
Connor tried to stay out of it
as much as he could. I

557
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:27.440
think Chris went to counseling with Nicole, trying to repair their marriage. He

558
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:31.199
also started making plans for his life
after the Marines. His contract was up

559
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.840
on July fourteen, and so he
and Nicole started planning their return to Alaska.

560
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.159
Chris had decided to use the money
from his GI bill to go to

561
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.159
college in Alaska and study chemical engineering
so that he could get a good paying

562
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.079
job on an oil refinery, while
Nicole would stay at home and they would

563
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.960
have another baby together. John and
Aaron also talked about him leaving the Marines

564
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.639
once his contract was complete in another
year or so, even though he had

565
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.280
always planned to make it a career. But I think with all their financial

566
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.559
problems and with their marital problems,
he maybe felt a little bit disillusioned.

567
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.280
He thought about going back to school
to become an auto mechanic. Aaron and

568
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:15.920
John's problems weren't over, though.
John's truck broke down and they couldn't afford

569
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.519
to fix it, and so John
started driving Aaron's car to work, leaving

570
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.920
her stranded at home. She had
to stop sponsoring her horse at the horse

571
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:28.000
rescue also because they couldn't afford it, which I'm sure was tough for her

572
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.920
because she loved horses so much and
that was a real outlet for her.

573
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:36.239
And while John said he wanted to
work on their marriage, he acted cold

574
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.119
and distant, at least according to
what Aaron told her friend Jesse. Eventually,

575
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.760
strangely enough, the three couples started
hanging out again, but things weren't

576
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:51.880
the same as before. Aaron and
Nicole, especially Nicole was very very cold

577
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.719
toward Aaron, and I think Aaron
didn't want to talk to Nicole either,

578
00:40:53.920 --> 00:41:00.559
so the affair really stopped as far
as we know. The look on your

579
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:06.039
face tells me differently, yes.
So that brings us to the summer of

580
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:12.039
twenty fourteen. On Sunday, June
twenty second, Chris went out to Joshua

581
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:16.480
Tree with his friend Joseph Hollifield.
They drove around doing some off roading,

582
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:22.559
doing a little hunting. Chris shot
and killed a rattlesnake, and they happened

583
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.320
upon some abandoned mine shafts that Chris
thought were really cool. Oh god,

584
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:32.360
yeah, we just too many cases. I know that you're mentioning the mine

585
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.119
shaft for a reason. I know
I was trying not to do too much

586
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.639
foreshadowing, but it's really hard not
to. And so this is the twenty

587
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.119
second of June that he and his
friend were out there. Remember it was

588
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.559
the twenty eighth of June when Aaron
went missing, so just six days before

589
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.840
that same day, Aaron woke up
feeling really queasy. It got so bad

590
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.199
that she asked John to take her
to the er, where the doctors told

591
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:59.360
them that Aaron was about three weeks
pregnant. That's so early. I know,

592
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.480
it really be tactable. That surprised
me as well. I wondered if

593
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:06.960
that was maybe wrong, but that
was what it said in the popular hospital

594
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.360
tested maybe yeah. I can hear
people yelling at me right now. It's

595
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:15.639
been a while since I've been pregnant. So John was surprised because they hadn't

596
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.119
had sex very often since the big
blow up, but he was happy,

597
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:24.760
thinking that this might help them fix
their marriage. Aaron did not seem overjoyed

598
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.840
like she had the first time that
she found out that she was pregnant.

599
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:34.119
So Liberty is going to have a
little sister. Well maybe. On Thursday,

600
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.960
June twenty sixth, Aaron called her
mom and they talked about all the

601
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.880
things they would do when her mom
came to visit in another couple of weeks.

602
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.000
Aaron was excited for the visit.
She had decided not to tell her

603
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:50.840
mom about the pregnancy until she saw
her in person, though. On Friday,

604
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.639
June twenty seventh, Chris, Nicole, and Liberty spent the day at

605
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:58.960
the horse rescue. On the way
out, Chris noticed a white propane tank

606
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.760
in a shed and he asked Isabel
if he could borrow it. She said

607
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.119
sure and asked if he was planning
a barbecue. Chris smiled and said no,

608
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.480
I'm going to use it to play
games. Isabel didn't know what he

609
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.199
meant by that, and she didn't
ask that night. Yeah, well,

610
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.320
Chris liked to blow things up.
I don't know I think I said that

611
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.599
earlier, but he just he liked
to go out in the desert and blow

612
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:25.639
things up. So but to borrow
someone's and then blow it up, Yeah,

613
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:30.039
it's a little bit odd, isn't
it cheap? That night, Chris

614
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.320
texted his buddy Skyler and asked if
he wanted to go out hunting with him

615
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:39.000
in the desert the next morning.
Skyler had had shoulder surgery recently, and

616
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:44.400
so he said probably not. Chris
also saw Connor that night at the apartment

617
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.360
complex and asked Connor if he wanted
to go hunting in the morning. Connor

618
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:51.079
said he probably could, but he
would text him in the morning to let

619
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.559
him know for sure. So that
brings us to Saturday, June twenty eighth,

620
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:59.679
the day that Aaron went missing.
As I mentioned at the beginning,

621
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.960
Air had told John that she needed
some me time and that she was planning

622
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.239
to spend the day in Joshua Tree
National Park scouting out some locations that she

623
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.559
would take her mom during her upcoming
visit. She left that morning in her

624
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.199
Blue Corolla, probably around seven thirty
am. Before she left, she made

625
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:21.400
a short call to her best friend
Jesse back in Tennessee, John was still

626
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:22.880
in bed when she left, but
he said that he saw her through the

627
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.960
bedroom window get into her car and
pull away. Once he got up,

628
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.599
John said he stayed in the apartment
and played video games for most of the

629
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:37.400
morning. So don't you think John
would be like me time at seven thirty

630
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.280
in the morning when you've just had
an affair. These people get up early,

631
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.480
though, Like, as I was
reading this story, like there's a

632
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.320
lot of different instances of people getting
up at six am or seven am and

633
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.800
getting out and doing something. And
also one thing that was pointed out a

634
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.199
number of times is that it gets
so hot in the desert that a lot

635
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.320
of times, if people were going
to go out in the desert, they

636
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.400
would try to get up early to
avoid the worst part of the day.

637
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.760
But that's true. If I got
up, dressed and ready and out the

638
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.800
door at seven thirty am and said
I was going to go have me time,

639
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:12.079
you would be suspicious. Oh,
yes, for sure. So Chris

640
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.440
also left early that morning for his
hunting excursion in the desert. He left,

641
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:23.199
wasn't Colin, No Connor? Connor
wouldn't Connor is supposed to join him?

642
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:28.079
Well? Good, good question.
So Chris left on his own,

643
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.920
but at eight sixteen am, he
got a text from Connor saying that he

644
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:36.440
could actually meet up with him and
join him. Chris replied, telling Connor

645
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:38.880
where they could meet, and then
he said, quote tell Nicole, I

646
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.280
put my phone in airplane mode unquote, and then he turned his phone off.

647
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:45.679
Well, I would think in the
desert you wouldn't have great exactly.

648
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:51.599
True. You always you always know
what I'm going to say before you say.

649
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.800
We've been married a long time.
So yeah, yes, you're not

650
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.920
gonna have good reception in the desert
anyway. And I guess turning your phone

651
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.519
off might be a normal thing to
save your battery. Nicole slept late that

652
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.400
Sorry, I'm just no, I'm
not a tech person. You are more

653
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.039
than just putting your phone in airplane
mode really saved that battery? Yeah,

654
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.800
yeah, totally, especially if you
don't if you're not in range of a

655
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.079
signal, because then your phone's always
trying to find a signal and that actually

656
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.360
does eat up your battery pretty quick. Okay, all right, always taken,

657
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:27.719
taken. There's too many names.
Are we taking Chris's side, aren't

658
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.199
you? No, I'm definitely not
taking Chris's side, so Nicole slept late

659
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:35.559
that morning. She and Liberty had
been planning to go to the horse ranch

660
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.280
that day, but she texted Isabelle
at the ranch and said that she wasn't

661
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:44.000
feeling well and that they would stay
home. Connor went to where Chris said

662
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.880
that they should meet, but he
couldn't find him, and Chris didn't respond

663
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:52.039
to his calls or texts because his
phone was in airplane mode. So Connor

664
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.679
drove out there where he and Chris
were supposed to meet. So he put

665
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.840
his he's supposed to meet a friend
in the desert, which it's not easy

666
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:02.119
to find someone in the desert.
That's why all the buried bodies are buried

667
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:06.079
in the desert. And he put
his phone in airplane mode. Yeah.

668
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.000
Also very very strange, right,
And so Connor couldn't find him. Of

669
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:14.559
course, Chris didn't respond to his
calls or texts because where was he supposed

670
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.760
to meet him? I don't know
the exact location. I'm sure he picked

671
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:21.440
some second cactus on the right,
Yeah, something, you know, because

672
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.000
you would think you would have to
drop a pin in order to find someone

673
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:28.000
in the desert unless there was there's
different milestones. Yeah, you know,

674
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.519
but I don't. I don't know
exactly where he told him to meet him.

675
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.400
But Connor hung out there for almost
three hours, like he drove around

676
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.440
looking for Chris. He hung out
where they were supposed to be, and

677
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.039
finally after three hours he gave up
and went back home. Do you remember

678
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:44.880
one time we were on a vacation
and it was it was a long I

679
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:49.679
think we took two weeks and we
went from like Las Vegas to Sedona to

680
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.079
a getting it right to the Grand
Canyon and we drove a lot of dessert

681
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:58.400
and it was really scary because there
was no nowhere to stop for gas.

682
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.280
Yeah. I think they're even signs
that were like okay, last gas for

683
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:07.639
two hundred miles. Yeah, because
we drove from like the Grand Canyon all

684
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:12.280
the way over to California, like
to La Area, and Yeah, that

685
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.760
whole drive, it's like it's so
it's eye opening, Like you don't where

686
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:16.880
we live now, It's like you
don't really think about it, but there's

687
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:21.760
like hundreds of miles of nothing.
Yeah, and her first it was so

688
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:23.119
cool. We're like, oh my
gosh, the deserts so beautiful. And

689
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.599
then by the end, I was
like all give me the fuck up desert.

690
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.000
It was a lot of a lot
of desert that was a great chip.

691
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.480
There was one of the shows that
I watched, I can't remember which

692
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.400
one it was. For this episode
there was a woman that was a local

693
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.480
there that was talking and she said
something like, yeah, the desert,

694
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:43.760
like it's a great place to find
yourself, and then once you find yourself,

695
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.840
you just want to get out of
here. Does it take to find

696
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:51.199
yourself? I don't know. It
could take some people years. Maybe it's

697
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.639
it is beautiful though, it is. Yeah, it's very beautiful. All

698
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:58.480
right. So back to the story. Chris got back to the apartment around

699
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.039
four pm. He had messages from
both Connor and Nicole. Connor, as

700
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.159
you might expect, was annoyed at
him. Chris called him back and apologized.

701
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:08.400
He said, oh, I'm sorry. I must have gotten confused about

702
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.480
where we were supposed to meet,
and then I got lost and I didn't

703
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.039
have cell phone reception. He also
told Connor a strange story that he was

704
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:21.000
out in the desert and he saw
a stranger off in the distance who fired

705
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.000
a gun in his direction and he
freaked out and so he left. At

706
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.920
that point, Aaron had told John
that she would be home by four.

707
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.760
He hadn't heard from her during the
day, but he wasn't too worried because

708
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:37.519
again he knew that cell phone reception
was pretty bad in the National Park between

709
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.599
four o'clock and sundown. He tried
calling her dozens of times with no luck.

710
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.519
He thought maybe she had decided to
stop by a friend's house, but

711
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.559
it wasn't like Aaron not to call. By midnight, he was panicking,

712
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.239
but he didn't call the police to
report her missing until the next morning.

713
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:58.480
So why did he wait till the
next morning? That's a good question.

714
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.480
It's very I'll tell you. I
think so many people think that you have

715
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:06.639
to wait the twenty four to forty
eight hours. That was exactly his explanation.

716
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.360
So when police actually questioned him,
like why did you wait that long,

717
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.880
and that's exactly what he said is
you know, I watched so many

718
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.920
shows and I just thought it was
twenty four hours before you would do anything.

719
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:21.559
I think it is dependent on your
location and different police departments have different

720
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.559
criteria. Yeah, depending on this. You know, like if I went

721
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.800
missing for twenty four hours, you
would know if something was up because I

722
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.440
wouldn't I literally would not do that
to you. And in this situation too,

723
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.400
nineteen year old pregnant girl in the
desert where it gets up to you

724
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.840
know, one hundred and ten degrees
or whatever, time is really of the

725
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.239
essence, So you would not want
to wait any longer than you'd need to.

726
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.159
Yeah, And if someone is missing, call the worst they can say

727
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.199
is call us back in twenty four
hours. Yeah, So I think that

728
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.480
is probably a good point to break. I know, we're leaving it on

729
00:50:52.519 --> 00:51:00.199
a cliffhanger here. I always do
that, don't I you do. That's

730
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.719
not what nice people do. I
know, I know, But I have

731
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.679
to say we've been working, we've
both been working so hard, and two

732
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:13.400
part episodes do give us still a
little bitterly way they do, they do.

733
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.360
And actually this, you know,
this story probably could have been told

734
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:20.199
in one part, But I really
do think like all the backstory with the

735
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.519
couples and all the relationships and all
that stuff, I think it's actually really

736
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.679
interesting and really important for the case
as well, just to kind of understand

737
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.159
the dynamics that were going on between
all the people involved. So I'm gonna

738
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.960
take your word for it. Yeah, And then I'm gonna I'm really hungry,

739
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.519
so I'm gonna get the rest of
these. It's so funny that you

740
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:44.159
bought thought those protein bars that's what
the does are. I went out to

741
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.960
the grocery store this morning, first
thing in the morning, and I bought

742
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:52.840
Oh you didn't order them from Military
Meals dot Com. Well, okay,

743
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.519
I'll tell you. I actually did
go online and looked for MRS because you

744
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.360
can order you know, military meal
is. It's called MRI, which I

745
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.760
think means meal replacement. I thought, I'm the meal is ready to eat.

746
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.199
Oh, I think you're right,
But it turns out like if you

747
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.440
want to buy an MRI at home, like from Amazon or whatever, they're

748
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.679
actually really expensive. Like it's really
hard. Yeah, it's hard to I

749
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:22.960
don't know something like for a meal. Okay, so we took a quick

750
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:27.639
break to google this because we were
both curious because I couldn't remember. Well,

751
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.760
I'm kind of a I like to
be prepared, and we don't have

752
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.039
like a year's worth of food in
our house or anything like that. But

753
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:40.519
I've always kind of been intrigued by
that notion of survivalist. Yeah idea,

754
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.079
So that's why I'm kind of interested
in. Well, I did find one.

755
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.719
This is actually not that expensive.
This is from my Patriot supply and

756
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:52.159
it's a four week food supply for
like one hundred and ninety seven dollars.

757
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:57.440
Four weeks of food for one person. Two thousand calories a Day's a lot

758
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.880
of calories. Two thousand a day. Well, I mean if you're in

759
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.559
a survival mode, that's a lot
of calories. True. True, But

760
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:07.360
if you only wanted, it would
last twice as long. But that's actually

761
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.679
pretty pretty cheap, really less than
ten dollars a day. Uh. Someone

762
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:17.800
that I knew a long time ago, some ex boyfriends parents. They had

763
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.480
like a bunker in their house.
Oh really, and it was filled with

764
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:28.039
food really. Yeah. And so
if there's ever like a nuclear war,

765
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:30.760
I think you're going to go to
your ex boyfriends. I mean they really

766
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.719
liked me back in the day.
I think it's been a long, long,

767
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.320
long time. Yeah, that wouldn't
be awkward at all, hanging out

768
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.440
in a bunker with ex boyfriend.
I mean, I love his parents.

769
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:43.320
It was when we broke up.
It was sadder to lose his family than

770
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.880
him. Yeah, but they would
probably let him in the bunker also,

771
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.119
So that's what I'm saying, I
think of the head. Well, yeah,

772
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.039
I guess it's been a long time. Back in the day, I

773
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.760
think maybe they would have chosen me
over him. Well, I found a

774
00:53:53.880 --> 00:54:00.000
three pack of Meals Ready to Eat
on Amazon, which is thirty eight dollars.

775
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.519
That's that's pretty crazy. Yeah,
it doesn't even say it doesn't even

776
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:06.119
say what's include. Can't be it
can't be good either, right, I

777
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.320
mean I know that's why. Yeah, my curiosity is like, it's funny

778
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:13.599
because this it shows what's included,
and there's a moist tablet, non dairy

779
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:16.719
creamer, all sorts of good stuff. So yeah, I would be curious

780
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.639
to try it e meals Ready to
I'm sure I wouldn't like it. But

781
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:22.440
well, I'm sorry. I just
went with the basic what I could get

782
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:27.760
at the grocery store. But maybe
next time, maybe maybe next time,

783
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:34.159
Maybe next time I do a military
related episode, maybe we could seek one

784
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.119
out because I really am curious.
All right, so we're wrapping it up.

785
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.800
That's it. I think that's it
for part one. All right,

786
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:44.280
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787
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:50.440
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788
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:54.199
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789
00:54:54.239 --> 00:55:00.639
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