Faith and Gregory Green

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Hi, I'm Rich and I'm Tina. And if there's one thing we've learned

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in over twenty years of marriage,
some days you'll feel like killing your husband

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and some days you'll feel like killing
your wife. Welcome to love, Mary

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kill he Tina, Hey, Rich, how are you? I'm great?

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How are you great? I have
a feeling I'm not going to be great

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after I hear this story, though, No, you're not. It's a

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really it's a bad one. A
listener requested this case probably like a year

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ago, and I think I was
coming off of the Chris and Shanan Watts

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case and I was like, no, I can't. That's a little spoiler

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alert. I was like, I
can't do that. And then when you

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said you were doing it, I
was like, oh boy, yeah,

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I know it's in store for us. Yeah. It's definitely right up there

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with the Chris and Shnan Watts case
in terms of how horrible and Saturday is.

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And it does involve children. So
I did want to put out a

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little bit of a warning before we
get into the story that it is one

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of our more disturbing stories, so
listen with care. Many months ago,

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we talked about we were going to
start featuring a missing person's case every month

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and we have failed to do so, but I did today. So at

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the end of this story, I'm
going to tell you about a missing person

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that's in danger. Great, well, stay tuned for that. We have

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two special guests today. Oh yes, we're joining us in our recording room.

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Their names are Cosmo and Clover.
Yeah, they are up to Shenanigan's

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today. Somedings they just get a
little mischievous, Yeah, a little feral

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almost, and they're like right now, Cosmo is the boy cat, the

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dominant cat, and he was standing
at the door and not wanting Clover to

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come in. Rustlings, that's our
okay, always good to have them here.

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So because today's case is a Detroit
based case, Yeah, I see

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what you have over there. What
do I have? Well, you have

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two glasses and I know that probably
means you brought burners, which we've had

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before. No, I didn't bring
burners, but I did bring a Detroit

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based snacks, so you did bring
Okay. I was nervous that there wasn't

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any food. It was just gonna
be a drink. There is food,

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so here, here we go.
We got some snacks. These are I

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brought a little variety, okay.
I brought some pop Daddy garlic parmesan pretzel

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sticks. Oh okay, that's that's
what I want to eat at a Sunday

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morning. I brought some germac Motown
energy nut mix. And I brought some

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Sanders Sea salt and dark chocolate caramels
well that I can get behind. And

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I also brought a beverage. Wait
did you bring the Sanders? Uh?

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Did you buy them? Or do
you just know? I just grabbed them?

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Where did you grab them from the
cupboards? The Secret Chocolate Covers always

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has some the Sanders. Sanders chocolate
is the best and the sea salt caramel.

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I think they're available at Costco's nationwide. I'm not sure, but I

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always get like a big thing of
them at Costco and they're the best.

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Yeah, if you have a chocolate
hankering, they're They're really good. And

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oh, okay you brought no,
I brought a fay go. Oh I'm

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sorry, rock and Rye. So
that's ah. That's a pop okay from

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Detroit. I actually have some.
Never you never say pop. I don't

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say pop, but we grew up
saying pop in Michigan. We did too.

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We've talked about it. Somewhere we
transferred to soda. I think soda

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just sounds well. I actually found
an interesting map that showed what people said

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in like the nineteen forties versus what
they say now, and soda is taking

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over. Some people still say pop
me. Some people in the in the

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South still say coke, which boggles
my mind. Well don't some people even

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say r c oh? I don't
know. Maybe Okay, listeners, let

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us know, because I'm pretty sure, like depending you know, maybe where

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the near As Bottling Company is,
that's maybe what you said back in the

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day. Maybe, But soda is
taking over. Like that's the bottom line

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here. So yeah, let's have
Uh. I don't like it, You're

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gonna try it, That's all right. This is the whole thing. You

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sometimes have to try things, all
right, Yes, you don't like I'm

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really picky about drinks. Yeah,
I'll tell you like water a little bit

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about fago when we come back after
our bath. Okay, did you enjoy

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your Detroit based Smorgas sport of snacks? Well, I mean some of them.

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I really don't like the fagos.
I don't like flavored soda, so

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no, But if you do.
I think it's probably delicious. It's pretty

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Yeah, I think it's pretty good. Rock and around. I have Fago

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candles. I don't think I think
I've bought one for a gift before.

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But yeah, so I have a
little bit of a couple of tidbits about

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Fagos. A fago if you grew
up in the Detroit area, it was

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a big soda. I think you
can get it most play now. I'm

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not really sure, but we should
leave the state of Michigans. We should.

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But Fago was founded in Detroit,
Michigan, in nineteen oh seven by

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the Faginson brothers. They were Russian
baker immigrants, Ben and Perry Faginson.

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The original flavors of Fago were fruit
punch, strawberry, and grape, which

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were based on cake frosting recipes used
by the Fagansons when they were in Russia

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during Prohibition. They expanded into new
varieties, including rock and Rye, which

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was my favorite growing up. But
I never really knew what it was,

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but it I guess it was based
on a cocktail which was rye whiskey,

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rock candy, citrus and herbs.
Rock and Yeah, but rock and Rye

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is really just kind of a cream
soda with a hint of cherry flavor.

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Yeah, that's what I would.
Yeah. And the last thing I have

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to say about Fago is that the
Detroit hip hop group Insane Clown Posse often

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references Fago and their song and they
spray their live audiences with Fago showers.

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Oh I would not. I would
enjoy it. I watched a video and

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like everybody in the crowd has like
a two liter bottle of Fago and everyone's

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just, oh my god, spraying
it everywhere and it sounds like it's super

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sticky. Yeah. The band,
the Insane Clown Posse band, has expressed

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interest in collaborating on a limited edition
product run with Fago, but Fago has

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not reciprocated the interest because they want
to keep a healthy distance from the group.

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Oh have you ever seen Insane Clink? I don't think I have.

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Yeah, you probably don't want to. Oh really, what do you mean?

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They're just a little they're insane,
and they're clowns. They're they're kind

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of scary. Okay, I get
I mean not everyone loves clowns. No,

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I don't have a problem with clowns. But my last thing about Fago

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is growing up. If you turned
down the TV, this is what you

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often heard. It's a nice little
jing uh huh. Comic books and rubber

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rubber bands. You probably didn't get
these in Chicago. It's a nice commercial.

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I won't play the whole big though, it's like a minute long.

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Very nice. All right, you
are very thoroughser enough Fago talk. So

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we talk about today's case. Well
you didn't talk about town Club, but

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maybe we'll save that for another episode
Detroit. So you have a lot of

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affection for town Club soda as well. Yeah, oh yeah. The other

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snacks were pop Daddy was was quite
tasty, and the Germac mix was very

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nice. And you went to Bushes. Bushes is I would say, an

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upscale market in the ann Arbor area, and I used to work for that

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and lovely it was a great place. I have a lot of good snacks,

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but I used to work with the
Germac people and good, good,

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nice, yeah, fresh nuts.
Okay, well we've delayed long enough.

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Let's talk about the case of Faith
and Gregory Green. So the first time

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Faith Harris laid eyes on Gregory Green, she was only fourteen years old.

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It was a Sunday morning in nineteen
ninety one, Faith was sitting in a

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pew at Church of the Risen Christ
in Detroit, the church that her father,

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pastor Fred Harris, had founded several
years earlier. At twenty four,

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greg Green was ten years older than
Faith. She thought he was cute and

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developed an instant crush on him.
She didn't talk to him, though,

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she just admired him from afar.
He was there attending church for a while,

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and then one day he wasn't there
anymore. Faith didn't think much of

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it. By that time, she
was getting close to starting high school and

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she was busy with friends and other
activities. The next time she saw Gregory

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was seventeen years later, when she
was thirty one and he was forty one.

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Suddenly he was there in church again. He was just as hands and

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well dressed as she remembered him to
be, and she felt the same butterflies

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in her stomach that she had felt
all those years earlier. This time she

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wasn't shy, and she spoke to
him after the service. She had heard

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that he'd been in prison, but
she didn't know what for. It didn't

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raise any red flags for her.
After all, quite a few people in

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her dad's church, including the assistant
pastor and some of the deacons, had

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been incarcerated at some point. Her
dad had himself been incarcerated more than once,

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mainly for civil rights activism during the
sixties and seventies, but he had

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also battled drug and alcohol addiction,
and he often spoke in his sermons about

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his own past mistakes and how important
it was to give people second chances.

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He welcomed former prisoners to the church
just like he did everyone else, with

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open arms. Faith Harris was born
in Connecticut. When she was just a

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baby, Fred moved to Detroit to
enter a faith based recovery program to try

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and get his addictions under control and
keep his family together. After he got

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so into the programme, Fred's wife
Kathleen packed up their two children, Elijah

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and baby Faith, and moved to
Detroit to be with him. Once he

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finished the program, he started working
as a counselor at a Christian guidance center,

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counseling other men who were in treatment
for addiction. That work led him

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to the ministry and starting a church
with Kathleen. Faith's upbringing was strict and

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dominated by her father. He made
the family get up every morning to pray,

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and once he became a pastor,
they had to attend church six or

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seven days a week. It was
all consuming. I'll say Faith was never

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comfortable when her dad was around.
He would lose patience with kids easily,

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and she never felt like she could
voice her own opinions. Her mother and

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father had marital issues and didn't always
set the best example of how to deal

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with those issues, but they did
stay together. There are a lot of

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rules at home that Faith had to
follow. She wasn't allowed to listen to

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secular music or to attend school dances. Faith's mom, Kathleen, loved garden

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and taught Faith how to cook.
She ran a daycare out of her home,

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which inspired Faith's love for children.
Faith loved to play outside, and

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she loved to ride her bike to
the park. In the tenth grade,

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Faith took up jogging partly as a
reason to get out of the house and

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away from her dad, but she
grew to love it. Her algebra teacher,

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who was also the boy's track coach, saw her out jogging one day

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and encouraged her to try out for
the cross country team, which she did

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during her senior year. Her dad
took an interest in her sport, which

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made her feel good. He attended
all of her cross country meets and cheered

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the team on. It was the
first time she felt like he showed his

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love and support for her. Remember
cross country, I really miss that.

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Yeah. Our sun did cross country
for I think sixth grade on and it

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was it was fun just going to
the meets and being outdoors in the fall

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weather. The fall weather. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

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In tenth grade, Faith met Shadney
Allen, who became her high school sweetheart.

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She wasn't allowed to date, of
course, but she would sneak out

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at night to see him. Oh
Faith. They were still together when she

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graduated from high school and she got
pregnant at age nineteen. Their son,

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named Shadney after his father, was
born in August of nineteen ninety seven,

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and almost two years later, in
April of nineteen ninety nine, a girl

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was born, Kara. Faith was
in love with Chadney Senior, but after

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Kara's birth, things started to go
bad. They were both young, just

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getting started and the stress of having
two young children made things tough. They

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got married eventually, but the marriage
only lasted for a year. They stayed

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on good terms, though Chadney Senior
saw the kids regularly, although their time

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together became more sporadic once the kids
started school. By the time thirty one

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year old Faith met Gregory again at
her dad's church in two thousand and eight,

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she was single and her kids,
Shadney and Kara, were ten and

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eight, respectively. Faith and greg
started talking regularly and eventually started dating.

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Sheked him about his incarceration. He
told her there had been an incident with

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his first wife. They had gotten
into a fight and she physically attacked him,

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and trying to defend himself, she
ended up falling, hitting her head,

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and unfortunately she died. Do you
think that's that's how it went down.

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Well, we'll learn more in a
bit, but it is amazing how

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these stories are always like, oh, yeah, she just fell and hit

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her head and died. It's just
almost never happens that way to exactly.

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You can tell him a little suspicious. Faith saw that he was uncomfortable talking

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about it, so she didn't push
him, and she took him at his

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word. He seemed very kind and
he was going to church regularly. She

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trusted him and had no reason to
believe that his first wife's death was anything

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other than a tragic accident. Faith
and Greg soon moved in together, but

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within a couple of months of living
together, Faith felt like something was off

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with him. She couldn't explain it. He was nice, but something just

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seemed not quite right, and she
decided to break things off. They didn't

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talk for nearly a year after that, until December of two thousand and nine,

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when Greg called her up to ask
what Chadney and Kara wanted for Christmas.

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That started them talking again, and
gradually they reconnected and rekindled their romance.

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Within a couple of months, Faith
found out she was pregnant. Greg

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was ecstatic when he heard the news. He went with her to all her

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doctor's appointments and bought her anything she
needed. Any doubts that she might have

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had about him disappeared. Their daughter, Coy, was born in October of

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twenty ten. Coy Koi. Greg
was smitten with his new baby girl.

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After she was born, Greg and
Faith decided to get married. Faith's dad

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performed the ceremony on December eighteenth of
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Greg started displaying some warning signs of
things to come. He would criticize

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whatever Faith did in taking care of
the baby, how she held her,

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how she nursed her, and so
on. He didn't want Faith to go

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anywhere or do anything without baby Koi. If she had to run an errand

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he would insist that she take Coy
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and switch to bottle feeding because she
was exhausted, but Greg pressured her to

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keep nursing. Faith got a job
at Target stocking shelves from four am to

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ten am. It would help bring
in some extra money, but more importantly,

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it gave her a break from the
stress of her marriage and parenting.

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She was exhausted all the time,
both mentally and physically. You imagine getting

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a job where the hours are four
am to ten am because you want you

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need a break, you know,
Yeah, that's impossible. She started to

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think about leaving Greg again, but
in early twenty twelve, she found out

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she was once again pregnant. Another
girl, Kaylee, was born in September

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of twenty twelve. Because of the
bad experience Faith had in nursing Koi,

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mainly because of the pressure Greg had
put on her, she decided that she

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wanted to bottle feed Kaylee. She
knew that Greg would not be happy about

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this, so she put off telling
him, but she finally called him to

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tell him of her decision while she
was still in the hospital. He tried

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to talk her into nursing, but
she was firm in her decision. She

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asked him to go to the store
and buy some formula because the store would

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be closed by the time she got
discharged from the hospital. That set him

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off, and he started yelling at
her. They had been living with Faith's

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parents up to this point to try
and save some money. Once Kaylee was

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born, they finally had enough to
get a place of their own. They

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moved in right after Faith came home
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Their new home was in Dearborn Heights, which is a small bedroom community bordering

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Detroit. It's generally considered a nice
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and better than average schools. Their
house was about a thousand square feet on

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a small lot, three bedrooms,
two baths, with a detached garage in

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the back and a carport along the
side. They paid eighty six thousand dollars

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for it. By this time,
Chadney was in high school and Kara was

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in middle school. Faith stayed home
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who was too and baby Kayley.
Greg's behavior continued to deteriorate after they

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moved into their new home. While
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he continued to criticize everything that Faith
did the nerve. He also would be

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strangely quiet at times, refusing to
speak. Faith soon learned that when he

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would get in these moods, there
was nothing she could do. She would

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try talking to him and getting him
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him, but he would just stare
at her with a cold, hard look

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in the eyes. At other times, he would get extremely angry. Something

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would set him off, and she
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She assumed the stress of having two
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would end up just leaving him alone
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Greg had been smitten with Koy after
she was born, he was completely different

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with Kaylee. He was distant and
had no interest in engaging with her or

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helping her out. That's really sad, that really is. When Faith said

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something to him about this, he
said it was because he wanted a boy.

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Faith said, quote, well,
you have a girl and she's here

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now, so what are you going
to do? You can't act like that.

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Faith went back to work after a
time, which forced Greg to engage

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more with Kaylee. Things got a
little better between them, but it still

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wasn't like his relationship with Cooi.
One time, he slapped Kaylee, who

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was just a toddler, for accidentally
smushing a loaf of bread. This made

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Faith furious. She yelled at him, if you ever put your fucking hands

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on her again, I will fuck
you up. You are not going to

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hit her over some bread. She's
a baby. Things continued getting worse between

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Faith and Greg, and to the
point where Faith started sleeping on the couch.

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One night, she was sleeping on
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up with Greg yelling at her.
She had no idea what he was mad

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about, but he seemed out of
control. She told him to stop because

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the children were sleeping, which set
him off further and he started violently kicking

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the couch. At one point,
he wouldn't got koy from her room.

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Faith was scared that he was going
to hurt her and begged him to put

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her down, which he eventually did
and finally retreated back to the bedroom,

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faithfully awake the rest of the night, thinking about what she needed to do

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to get herself and the kids away
from Greg. Poor faith, that sounds

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horrible. The next day, she
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early as to make Greg suspicious.
She went to the police station to file

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a complaint, but it was closed
when she got there. She went back

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again a few days later, but
the police officer told her she needed to

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go to a different location. She
took an extended lunch break to go there

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and filed paperwork to request a personal
protection order or PPO. However, she

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was told that there had to be
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so she was denied. So they
made it really hard. That's her

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horrible and she had it. Yeah, she went to multiple locations, got

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turned away, then finally filed this
and they're like, oh, sorry,

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there's not enough there. And this
guy had been in prison before too.

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We'll talk about why he was in
as it eventually. But it's really it

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really makes me any. It's just
so sad, like you have to be

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have more than one incident for them
to take notice. Yeah, like,

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oh yeah, it's just not right. One day, Faith came home from

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work and smelled an odor of gas. She went to the kitchen and saw

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that all the knobs on the stove
were turned on. She turned them off

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and went to the living room,
where she found Greg sitting on the couch

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with Koy and Kaylee. She asked
him, didn't he smell the gas.

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He tried to blame it on Kara
or Chadney, but she knew that they

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hadn't used the stove before they'd left
for school. Then he tried to blame

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Koi, but again she knew Koy
wouldn't play with the stove. Later,

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he admitted that he had been thinking
about killing himself. Faith saved as much

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money as she could and decided to
move out on the last day of school

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in June of twenty thirteen. She
had arranged for a moving company to show

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up shortly after Greg left for work. They helped their packer things, and

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then she went and picked the kids
up from school. They moved back in

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with her parents until she could find
a place of her own, and Faith

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started divorce proceedings. Greg was furious
when he found out she was gone,

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but he calmed down and he and
Faith kept in communication to coordinate the schedules

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of Coy and Kaylee. Faith and
Greg agreed that Greg would take them every

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other weekend and sometimes additional days when
he was off work. At first,

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Greg's sister would be the intermediary,
picking the kids up and shuttling them back

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and forth between Faith and Greg,
but after a couple of months, Greg

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and Faith started meeting on their own
to make the hand off. This led

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to them gradually starting to talk again. Greg started making an effort to communicate

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and showed a willingness to discuss their
problems. In the meantime, Faith found

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a new place to live, but
she was having a hard time making ends

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meet. In the summer of twenty
fifteen, two years after she had moved

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out, her water got shut off
because she couldn't pay the utility bill.

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For the entire summer, she and
the kids would go back to her parents'

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place to take showers, and she
would have to buy bottled water for use

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at home. She and Greg were
getting along much better this time, so

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in September of twenty fifteen, Greg
said, why don't you just move back

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in. Faith really did want to
make it work, and knowing that she

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couldn't keep living without water. As
the weather got cold, she agreed.

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Everything was great again. For the
first few months, Greg seemed to have

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control over his mood swings. He
was sweet, and Faith still loved him.

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They had a nice Christmas in New
Year's but not surprisingly, things started

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going bad again as twenty sixteen got
underway. Without any reason for it,

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Greg started accusing Faith of cheating on
him. He would also get irrationally upset

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when Kara, who was sixteen at
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Faith couldn't figure out what made him
so upset. She wondered if the

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sound of the door closing reminded him
of being in prison or something. One

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day, Faith came home to find
that Greg took the door knob off of

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Kara's door. He also went back
to picking on Kaylee and showing favoritism toward

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Ki. He would do things like
watch TV with Ki, but not allow

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Kaylee to come in the room with
them. Coy was in kindergarten by this

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time, and on days that Faith
was working and he was in charge of

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getting her to school, he would
tell her she didn't have to go if

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she didn't want to. She started
falling behind because she had so many absences,

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Faith realized that she needed to get
out, this time for good.

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She told her parents she was planning
to leave, but her dad told her

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she couldn't come stay with them again. That was fine with Faith because she

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wanted to get her own place anyway. In August of twenty sixteen, she

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started looking for a full time job. She filed for divorce again and told

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the kids they were going to move
out soon. She told Greg that she

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was going to divorce him. He
wanted to go to counseling, but they

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had been down this road before.
She knew that even if she set up

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appointments for them to get counseling,
that he wouldn't go. When the process

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server came to their house give Greg
the divorce papers, he threw them down

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on the ground and started yelling and
swearing. After that, things got more

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uncomfortable in the home. Faith would
come home from work and Greg would leave

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right away. She would cook dinner, but he wouldn't eat. He would

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leave the house for hours at a
time. She didn't know where. He

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wouldn't speak to Faith at all unless
he had to about something to do with

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the kids' schedule. In the fall
of twenty sixteen, Coy started first grade

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and Kaylee, who had just turned
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Faith was looking for a new place
to live and was hoping they could

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move out within a week or two. Unfortunately they never got the chance.

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Poor Faith, this just sounds exhausting. Yeah, you don't want to give

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up on your marriage, and you
know it's better for your kids to be

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in a two parent home, but
he just sounds so unstable. Right,

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Yeah, we'll be back after a
break. Now we're going to get into

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the night of Tuesday, September twentieth, and I'm just going to repeat my

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warning from earlier. This is where
things are going to start to get disturbing,

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so please listen with care. On
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Faith came home from work and could
immediately see that Greg was in one

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of his moods. He was upset
about something, but she knew from past

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history that he would be unwilling to
talk about it, so she didn't even

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try. She spent some time with
Coy and Kaylee, made them dinner,

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then later helped them take their baths
and put them to bed. Then she

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left to pick up Kara from work
and brought her back home. When they

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returned, Greg was still stewing on
the couch about whatever it was that he

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was mad about. He looked up
at her and he said, you know

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you fucked up right. She ignored
him, knowing it would only start a

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fight. She also knew the way
Greg's moods worked, and she knew that

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he would wake her up later that
night to fight about whatever it was that

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had set him off this time.
Sure enough, soon after she went to

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sleep, around ten thirty, there
was Greg waking her up. She knew

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it was probably going to be a
long night of arguing, so she dragged

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herself out of bed and followed Greg
to the living room. She was surprised

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when she got there to find Chadney, who was nineteen by this time,

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sitting on the couch looking sleepy.
She thought, why did you wake chad

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up? Greg said he wanted to
talk to them about something, so she

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sat down on the couch next to
her son. Greg then pulled out a

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big bag of zip ties and told
Chadney to tie his mom's hands behind her

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back. Chadney tried to reason with
him, but Greg pulled a gun out

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and pointed it at him. Faith
had no idea where the gun had come

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from. As far as she knew, they didn't have a gun in the

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house. She told Chadney to just
do what Greg asked him to do,

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and so he loosely put the zip
ties around her wrists behind her back.

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Greg then tied Chadney's wrists together behind
his back with zip ties and tightened the

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zip ties on Faith's wrists. While
this was going on, Kara, who

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was seventeen at the time, was
in the shower getting ready for bed.

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She finished showering and Greg yelled through
the bathroom door, telling her to come

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out to the living room. She
walked in to find her mom and older

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brother sitting on the couch with their
hands tied behind their back and Greg with

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a gun. Greg zip tied her
wrists together as well and made her join

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them on the couch. He then
told them all to go to the basement,

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where he made them lay on the
floor. Then he put duct tape

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over their mouths, around their ankles, knees, and wrists. He was

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talking the entire time, but he
was strangely calm. Faith wasn't really hearing

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what he was saying. Her mind
was racing trying to figure out how to

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get them out of this. At
one point, she heard him tell Chadney

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and Kara that their mom had been
cheating on him, which was not true,

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and he said quote, I don't
want the girls, meaning Coy and

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Kaylee, the younger two, being
raised by anyone in your family. I

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don't want them to be like Kara. Faith thought that Greg was planning to

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abduct Coy and Kaylee and leave Faith
and the two older kids. At one

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point, he went upstairs, leaving
the three of them tied up on the

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floor. Faith kept listening for the
front door to close so she could start

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working on getting them free to call
nine one one from the basement phone,

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but he didn't leave. He kept
coming down to the basement and then going

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back up, talking the whole time. Eventually he removed the duct tape from

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their mouths, but their hands were
still bound together behind their backs, and

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their ankles and knees were still taped
together. He picked up Faith like a

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rag doll and set her on the
couch. All she could do was watch

409
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.799
and scream as he pointed the gun
at Kara's back and without hesitation, fired

410
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.359
two bullets at her. Killing her
instantly. He then turned the gun on

411
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.480
Chadney, but struggled to pull the
trigger. Faith could tell that he didn't

412
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.119
want to kill Chadney. He pointed
the gun several times and then lowered it,

413
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:55.039
but finally he pulled the trigger,
killing him as well. Then he

414
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.720
walked over to Faith, pointing the
gun at her. She braced herself,

415
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:02.200
thinking she was about to die,
but instead he shot her in the foot.

416
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.519
He then pulled out a box cutter, grabbed her face and cut her

417
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:10.519
cheek from ear to near her chin, and then he did the same across

418
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:15.599
her other cheek. Then he put
the box cutter and the gun down and

419
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.440
walked over to the basement phone.
He made a call, not sure to

420
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.359
whom. It went to voicemail.
The phone was loud enough that Faith could

421
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.640
hear the other end of the line. He then called his niece and calmly

422
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:32.839
told her quote, the girls are
no longer here there in heaven unquote.

423
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.359
Faith could hear his niece on the
other end of the line, asking what

424
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:40.480
he did, and asking to speak
with Faith. He put the phone up

425
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.039
to Faith's ear, and all she
could say through her tears was he killed

426
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.720
the kids. Greg then went upstairs, and she could hear him on the

427
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.559
phone up there, calling nine to
one one, calmly and with no emotion,

428
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.400
telling the operator what he did.
He hung up and waited for the

429
00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.440
police to arrive. He was upstairs
and Faith was still in the ba basement.

430
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.079
She pretended she was dead, just
in case he came back down again,

431
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.519
but he didn't. The police soon
showed up and shouted down to the

432
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.440
basement. Faith answered, telling them
that she was tied up down there.

433
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:17.519
Nothing could be done for Chadney and
Kara, but EMTs put Faith into an

434
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:22.200
ambulance and rushed her to the hospital. At that point, Faith believed that

435
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.920
her younger children, Coy who was
almost six, and Kaylee, who had

436
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.599
just turned four, had been sleeping
in their beds throughout the ordeal. It

437
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.000
was only after she got to the
hospital that she learned that Greg had taken

438
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.640
the sleeping girls out to the car, hooked up a hose from the exhaust,

439
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.359
and fed it back through the car
window, and killed them with carbon

440
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.839
monoxide. EMTs had tried to revive
them when they got to the scene,

441
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.640
but sadly they weren't able to.
Oh my goodness, that is horrible.

442
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:56.279
It is It's yeah, it really
is a horrible, horrible story. I'm

443
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.759
speechless. While she was in the
hospital recovering from her her injuries, the

444
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.200
media picked up on the horrific story. From the media reports, Faith learned

445
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:10.039
some additional things that she hadn't known
before. First, Greg's story of what

446
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.880
happened with his first wife was a
lie. It hadn't been an accident.

447
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.759
He killed Tanya Green by stabbing her
multiple times with a stake knife. Not

448
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.599
only that, but she was around
six months pregnant with their child at the

449
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.480
time. The crime had happened in
nineteen ninety one, and just like the

450
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.640
more recent killings, after he stabbed
her, he calmly called nine one one

451
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.160
and waited for the police to arrive. He pleaded guilty to second degree murder

452
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:40.359
and was sentenced to fifteen to twenty
five years in prison. Another shocking revelation

453
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:45.240
Faith learned about the news was that
her father had actually written multiple letters in

454
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.839
support of greg getting paroled. After
four unsuccessful parole hearings, greg was paroled

455
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:56.920
in two thousand and eight after serving
only sixteen years. Faith's dad wrote,

456
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:01.240
Gregory and I were friends before his
misas happened, He was incarcerated, he

457
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:06.279
was a member of our church.
I feel he has paid for his unfortunate

458
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.400
lack of self control and the damage
he has caused as much as possible,

459
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.799
and is sorry. If he was
to be released, he would be welcomed

460
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.920
as part of our church community,
and whatever we could do to help him

461
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.759
adjust, we would. And approving
his parole, the parole board said,

462
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.960
quote, reasonable assurance exists that the
prisoner will not become a menace to society

463
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.680
or to the public safety. Was
he ever evaluated by a psychiatrist? The

464
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.279
only thing I know of is when
after he killed his first wife and was

465
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.079
going to stand trial, he was
evaluated and was found competent to stand trial.

466
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.880
But I'm not aware of any other
psychological evaluation that was done. In

467
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.960
hindsight, that should have been done. Yeah, a lot of things should

468
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.759
have been done. And the four
earlier hearings where he had been denied parole,

469
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.480
however, the parole board at the
time said that he showed quote no

470
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.200
remorse for his crime, had not
gained adequate insight, and had a lack

471
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:07.319
of empathy end quote. He had
also blamed his victim for his actions,

472
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.240
saying that it was Tanya's fault,
that, oh God, that he had

473
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:15.160
killed her because she had mistreated him. Even if he hadn't been paroled in

474
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.920
two thousand and eight, Greg probably
would have been released by twenty twelve at

475
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:23.240
the latest due to points he had
earned for good behavior, but those four

476
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.319
years might have made all the difference
for faith in her kids. Yeah,

477
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.200
it's just shocking to me that he
killed his pregnant wife and their unborn child

478
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.599
and blamed first of all. Yeah, first of all, he only got

479
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:37.359
fifteen to twenty five years in prison
for that, which seems well, did

480
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.880
he not get time for killing the
baby? I don't know about that.

481
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:45.000
It's a good question. I'm not
sure. The laws are different different places,

482
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.680
so I don't know. But yeah, fifteen to twenty five years for

483
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:53.000
that seems really inadequate. And then
getting out after only sixteen years just yeah,

484
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:59.400
Well, and not giving him a
psychological evaluation upon his release, it's

485
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:04.279
like a little bit of a mess. Yeah. Although the killings of Chadney,

486
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:08.039
Kara Coy, and Kayley were clearly
premeditated, there was video of Greg

487
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:13.559
purchasing supplies at home depot a week
before the killings. They struck a plea

488
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.239
deal with him for second degree murder
in order to avoid a trial with Faith

489
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:22.519
approval second degree murder. He pleaded
guilty to second degree murder, torture,

490
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:27.639
and assault with intent to do great
bodily harm, and was sentenced to forty

491
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.960
seven to one hundred and two years
in prison. Still doesn't sound so again,

492
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.440
Yeah, isn't that forty seven years? The judge wanted to give him

493
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.000
a longer sentence, but was bound
by the terms of the plea agreement.

494
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.039
He'll be ninety seven by the time
he's eligible for parole, so it's very

495
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:47.679
unlikely that he'll ever leave prison alive. At his sentencing hearing, Gregory said,

496
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.639
quote, it's in God's hands only. God can judge. I'm sorry

497
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.840
this happened. God knows the heart, he knows how regretful, how sorry

498
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.559
I am. Not one day goes
by that I don't think of girls.

499
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.280
I pray that God be with Chadney
and Kara. I feel bad how this

500
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:09.159
has deeply impacted everyone. May God
help them, help me, help us

501
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:13.559
all end quote. Oh that makes
me sick. I know me too.

502
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:19.000
Faith also appeared at the sentencing,
speaking directly to greg for the last time.

503
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.400
She said quote, you are a
con artist, You are a monster.

504
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.760
You are a devil in disguise.
You are now forever exposed. Not

505
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.199
even torture and death would be justice. Your justice will come when you burn

506
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:37.199
in hell for all eternity for murdering
four innocent children, all because you're insecure.

507
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.760
I will not suffer as you intended. What you did did not work.

508
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.039
While I stand up here trembling with
fear, I put on my bravest

509
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:50.079
face to be in the same room
with the man who murdered all four of

510
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.079
my children. End quote. God, I can't imagine how much mo a

511
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:57.800
woman. I mean, I can't
imagine having to see him again. And

512
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:06.239
it must have been hard for her
not to murder him or just unspeakable horror.

513
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.800
Yep. After the loss of her
kid's faith struggled. As you can

514
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:14.840
imagine, there was a major void
in her life. She went on medication

515
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.880
for depression and started drinking a lot
and partying a lot as a distraction to

516
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.440
fill the void. She had physical
scars on her face and she suffered from

517
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:28.079
depression, post traumatic stress disorder,
and short term memory loss. I bet

518
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.480
she did. Nighttime was especially hard. She started sleeping with some type of

519
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:36.360
weapon under her pillow, a piece
of wood or a mallet. She would

520
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:40.119
sometimes go to sleep in the closet
or the bathroom. She started dating someone,

521
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.679
but when he became possessive, she
dropped him, which made her more

522
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:49.159
lonely. She then reconnected with a
guy who she had been childhood friends with.

523
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.880
They started dating and got married a
few months later, but she found

524
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:58.320
herself redirecting her anger at Greg toward
her new husband, and their marriage lasted

525
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.239
only a year. In Hindis,
she realized she was nowhere near ready for

526
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:06.440
that. Going back to work helped
to take her mind off of things,

527
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.360
but at a certain point she realized
the drinking and the medication had to stop.

528
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:15.440
She started seeing a psychiatrist every week, along with a domestic violence counselor.

529
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.159
She learned how to meditate to help
deal with her stress and anxiety.

530
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.239
She hasn't been back to church in
a long time, although she still believes

531
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.760
in a higher power, but she
struggles with the faith community's role in welcoming

532
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:32.440
formally incarcerated individuals back into the fold. She still believes in second chances,

533
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.800
but it's hard to know if someone
has truly changed, and so she's less

534
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.079
trusting. Now. If you look
at social media about this case, you'll

535
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.400
see a lot of people blame Faith
for what happened. You'll see comments like

536
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.480
how could she let this man who
killed his first wife an unborn child into

537
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.599
her life? And of course Faith
regrets not looking more closely into Gregg's past,

538
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.880
but she was brought up to be
trusting. She also saw the way

539
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.320
her parents dealt with marital conflict,
and she did the best she could with

540
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:06.280
how she was raised. Can I
just interject here that, I mean,

541
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.320
Faith is a last person that should
be receiving any blame here at all.

542
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:14.880
She lost her four children, and
it makes me so disgusted when people want

543
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.199
to blame the victim. Yeah not
okay, comment I ever saw like that

544
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.000
just made me so angry. This
woman has suffered enough. Leave her alone.

545
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:24.800
Faith also points out the fact that
no one else told her about what

546
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.159
really happened with Gregory's first wife.
I'm sure that someone in the church or

547
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.360
someone who knew her must have known
the truth, but no one told her.

548
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.400
After the tragedy, one of Greg's
close friends apologized to Faith, telling

549
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.840
her that greg had said something about
doing what he did a couple of years

550
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.719
before he did it, but the
friend thought Greg was just blowing off steam,

551
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.239
so he never took any action.
She's also angry about being denied the

552
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.519
personal Protection Order when she applied for
it. They had to have known or

553
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:59.159
they could have easily found out about
Greg's past murder conviction. The PPO should

554
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:04.719
never have been denied. The system
really failed Faith and her kids absolutely.

555
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.519
And then there's Faith's dad, who
wrote letters to support Greg's parole After a

556
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.239
few years past. She asked her
dad about the letters and whether he knew

557
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.639
the truth about Greg's first wife.
Her dad said that Greg had told him

558
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.639
the same thing he had told Faith, that it had been an accident.

559
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.239
At the end of the day,
Faith doesn't feel like she got the answers

560
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:28.559
she was looking for from her dad
regarding the extent of his relationship with Gregory

561
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:31.320
when he was in prison the first
time. Her dad was eighty two by

562
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:36.840
the time they had this conversation and
his memory was fading. But Faith also

563
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.400
wonders if her father knew more,
but is unwilling to face the fact that

564
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:43.960
he helped get a man released who
ended up killing four of his grandchildren.

565
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.199
Faith later said quote it does hurt. I don't even know how to feel

566
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.760
about my dad. I'm not here
to bash him or anything. At this

567
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:54.599
point in my life, I don't
really deal with my dad. I don't

568
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.199
know how I should feel about him. End quote. In the end,

569
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:05.159
she felt like Greg deceived her whole
family, including her dad, Faith,

570
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.199
who now goes by Faith. Brown
is forty six years old. She has

571
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:13.039
tried to keep the memory of her
kids alive through charity work and by sharing

572
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.840
her story in hopes that other women
can learn the warning signs and get help.

573
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:22.400
She volunteers at a local women's shelter
in Detroit and regularly speaks at nonprofit

574
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.480
events in support of domestic violence and
mental health awareness. At an event last

575
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.679
year, she said, quote,
I want to encourage all women to just

576
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.800
be encouraged, reach out and take
that first step. A lot of times

577
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.760
you're stronger than you think. Even
though that's a cliche phrase, we really

578
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.920
are. We shouldn't have to be
that strong, but a lot of times

579
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.239
we're put in positions where we have
to be. But you can get through

580
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.079
it if you get the right help
and get with the right people. Unquote.

581
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.400
On Friday, September thirtieth, of
twenty sixteen, more than a thousand

582
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:58.280
people gathered in a Detroit church to
say a final farewell to Faith's four children,

583
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.920
Chadney Allen nineteen, Kara Allen seventeen, Coy Green, five, and

584
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:08.280
four year old Kaylee Green. In
her book published in August of twenty twenty

585
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:12.719
three, Faith shared some of her
memories of her children, and I'd like

586
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:17.400
for us to read these directly in
Faith's words. Oh boy, my son

587
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.199
was an artist. He was creative
at an early age, and he was

588
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.719
good at putting things together. One
of his favorite things to do was to

589
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:30.559
play paintball, and he also liked
airsoft. Chadney was always concerned about me.

590
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.639
He was my protector. Sometimes we
would do silly things around the house.

591
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.719
He liked to hide in a corner
and then jump out and scare me.

592
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.880
We watched Marvel movies together. He
was really funny and a cool kid

593
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.360
to hang around with. He was
an introvert and kept to himself, but

594
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.039
he was starting to come out of
his shell more. He had graduated from

595
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:54.119
Specs Howard School of Media Arts and
was just starting his own graphic design business.

596
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.119
He sounds kind of like her son. Yeah, Kara was creative too.

597
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.960
She was one who wanted to try
everything. She was on the honor

598
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.320
roll ever since she started school.
She was goal oriented. I never had

599
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.760
to tell her to do her homework. She was focused on school and her

600
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:15.719
grades and wanted to be an obgyn. She was into cheerleading and track and

601
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.639
helped tutor kids. She was making
plans for prom and was about to enroll

602
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.320
in a medical program, something I
did not find out about until after the

603
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.639
tragedy. Kara was a caring person
and she loved her family a lot.

604
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.039
Cooy had just started first grade.
We had moved her to a private school

605
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.440
and she was liking it a lot. I could see how her mindset was

606
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:42.800
changing. She had overheard some Arab
women speaking one day and asked me why

607
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.639
they were talking differently. I said, that's their culture. It's good to

608
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:51.480
learn more than one language because it
will help you talk to your friends and

609
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.199
it will help you later in life. After that, she wanted to learn

610
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:58.840
a language, so I enrolled her
in a Spanish class. She adored her

611
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.199
big sister and wanted to be just
like Kara. Coy was funny and we

612
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:06.639
would always have to tell her,
push your glasses up. We would tell

613
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.719
her that she looked like an old
church lady because she liked her dresses and

614
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:14.599
wanted to wear tights. She did
not care if it was ninety degrees outside.

615
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.760
She wanted to wear tights and dresses
all the time. Kaylee liked carrying

616
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.239
her little purse. First it was
Kara's purse, and then it was Coy's

617
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.760
before Kaylee had it. Kaylee would
put her hand sanitizer and her lip gloss

618
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.079
inside it and carry that purse with
her faithfully. She liked makeup and would

619
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.159
always play with my eyeshadow. She
loved being outside at the park. She

620
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.440
could stay outside day and night.
She was the youngest, so she was

621
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.760
the one that would cling to me. If I turned around, she would

622
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.079
be right there. She was lovable
and funny in her own way. And

623
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.880
I just miss it. My kids
were all in different stages of life and

624
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.400
they did not get the chance to
fully blossom. That is what hurts,

625
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.159
not being able to see their personalities
develop and see who they will have become.

626
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.119
I miss my kids and I wanted
to touch them. I want to

627
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:06.400
feel them. Faith still struggles with
PTSD, but she's learned to take care

628
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.719
of herself and allow herself to have
downtime. She likes to travel and she

629
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:15.400
likes being outdoors, kayaking and visiting
parks. I'd like to finish by reading

630
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.039
the last couple of paragraphs of Faith's
book. I am in a good place

631
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.440
today. This is the most piece
I have felt since my kids passed,

632
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.480
and I stay away from anyone or
anything that threatens that. I know now

633
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.239
that when I feel a certain way, I need to talk about it with

634
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:34.800
someone and get my feelings out.
Substance abuse is not the solution. It

635
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.639
did not get me anywhere, and
it won't get you anywhere either. People

636
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.480
can get stuck there and lose ten, fifteen, twenty years. I did

637
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.280
not want that to be me.
Find that faith in yourself and push through,

638
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:50.679
because even when you are out of
the abusive situation, sometimes you still

639
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.679
feel hopeless. Reach out and talk
to someone. That is what has helped

640
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:58.800
me the most. My strength today
comes from that moment in the basement,

641
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.360
and it comes from thinking of about
my kids. I know they would not

642
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.199
want me to be sad. They
would want me to be happy. So

643
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.079
I have to think about that a
lot, even though it is bittersweet,

644
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.760
because I want my kids and I
can't have them, but there's still life

645
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.280
after exhausting evil things happen to us. I am living proof. I will

646
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:22.440
not suffer. I am not broken. I mentioned earlier Faith's book that she

647
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.960
wrote about this, and that was
one of the main sources for the case,

648
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.320
and I just I'm just so amazed
and grateful at like the strength that

649
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.400
it has taken her to tell her
story, both in the book but also

650
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.960
speaking with different groups. She's been
on different TV shows as well, So

651
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.320
it's just to me, it's just
amazing to be able to come back from

652
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:47.599
what she's done through and it's a
testament to her her strength and courage and

653
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:52.880
her character is it's amazing. We
talk about this a lot, but yeah,

654
00:45:53.000 --> 00:46:00.000
victims that become advocates are the most
amazing people in my opinion. Yeah.

655
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.360
I did have a question about Greg's
relationship with Kara, like why she

656
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.599
sounds like a wonderful young woman and
why did he have such an issue.

657
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:13.840
Yeah, I mean I have no
idea. Obviously Greg had major, major

658
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.079
issues, so I really don't know
why he had an issue with Karen.

659
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.119
I had an issue with anyone,
just obviously a sick man. Yeah,

660
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:34.440
rest in Peace. Chadney, Kara
Coy and Kaylee. We've failed to talk

661
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.000
about this at the top of the
episode, but since we worked on the

662
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.519
Peterson project together, we decided that
we were going to present the cases together.

663
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:45.440
One of us is doing the research, but then we were both going

664
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:51.280
to present it. So as we're
reading the story, I don't know what's

665
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.119
going to happen next necessarily, and
you know, when it's the episode I've

666
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:58.079
researched, you don't know what's going
on. So that's why sometimes I'm like,

667
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.840
you know, I didn't know that
was going to happen. Yeah,

668
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:02.119
Ever, so we figured it would
be good to mix it up a little

669
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:07.559
bit and you could hear more of
both of our voices during each episode.

670
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.239
Do you want to tell us about
the missing person's case you researched? Sure.

671
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.400
First of all, I wanted to
give a big thank you to our

672
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:20.000
friend Kylie at Primetime Crime Crime with
a K. Kylie lives in the area

673
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:27.360
where this person disappeared, and she
has an hour over an hour episode with

674
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.840
Margaret kay Alana Turner's mom, which
was fabulous, So I would encourage you

675
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:37.320
to go listen to Kylie's episode.
Margaret Kaylana Turner twenty eight, was last

676
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:42.639
seen in Tumble, Texas, on
March tenth, twenty twenty three. She

677
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.519
has long brown hair and blue eyes. She has five feet four inches tall

678
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:52.280
and one hundred ten pounds. She
was last seen wearing a long pink dress.

679
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:58.280
Kay Alana was born with a heart
condition called ventricular septle defect with aphib

680
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:04.800
Kaylana also saw suffers from PTSD,
and at the time her disappearance was under

681
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.480
the care of a psychiatrist. On
February twentieth, twenty twenty three, Kayalana's

682
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:15.519
doctor had recently changed her medications,
adding zoloft and Riddlin, which counteracted with

683
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:22.639
her heart medication and rendered her sleepless
for several days. Kayalana's mother, Rosa

684
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:28.599
Calhoun, is heartbroken and desperately searching
for answers. She is very proud of

685
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.519
her daughter. She's the light of
her life. Kaylana is kind, intelligent,

686
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.679
resourceful, and talented. She speaks
three languages fluently, unlike myself,

687
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:43.159
I can't even speak one language fluently, English, Spanish and French. And

688
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:47.840
she's very talented musically. Her mother
told a story about how Kaylana is homeless.

689
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.840
People would put their phones in her
mailbox and she would charge their phones

690
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:57.440
for them, very kind. Kaylana
had been staying with her friend Brittany after

691
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:01.320
she'd had a bedbug infestation at her
apartment. She found herself locked out of

692
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:06.440
Britney's house, and she'd stayed with
Brittany on many occasions and she knew the

693
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:10.559
code to open the door. The
footage from Britney's ring camera shows a confused

694
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:16.000
and disoriented kay Alanna unsuccessfully trying to
get back into the house. Brittany received

695
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:22.079
a cryptic text two word text message
that said no help. Her mother said

696
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.760
that Kaylena does not look like herself
in the video, and under normal circumstances,

697
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.920
she would have been able to open
the door and get back into the

698
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:36.400
house. Kaylana left Britney's house and
drove to the Holly Creek Trail's neighborhood in

699
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:42.519
this confused and disoriented state. And
she hadn't slept for days, and this

700
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.599
was because of the change in her
medication to medications, just and not having

701
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.039
sleeping for days. That can really
mess you up to me, right,

702
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.079
She pulled into a stranger's driveway.
We don't know why. Again, she

703
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.840
was probably just lost and disoriented,
and she fell asleep in the car.

704
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.119
And it's unclear why time this was
that she fell asleep. But the next

705
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:06.960
morning, the homeowner noticed Kaylana's car
in her driveway at five twenty five am.

706
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:12.599
They tried to wake her up,
but she was out cold. Kaylana

707
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.119
was having a mental health breakdown as
well as a cardiac event. The homeowner

708
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:20.320
called the police. They thought that
she may be dead. When the police

709
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.440
arrived, kay Alana awoke and she
was startled and frightened. She locked the

710
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.480
car doors. And Kaylana owns a
vintage clothing business and her car was full

711
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:35.519
of clothing that she'd recently watched at
the laundry map because of the bed bug

712
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.559
and PlayStation, so her car is
full of these clothes and the police just

713
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:44.559
assume that she is a homeless drug
addict living out of her car, which

714
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.960
whether she was or wasn't, she
still should have been treated with kindness and

715
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.719
respect. While she was still in
the car, a police officer grabbed a

716
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:58.519
two by four and rammed her window. The window shattered, covering kay Alana

717
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:02.079
in glass and scaring her. She
was able to escape by slowly driving her

718
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.960
car away from the house, and
I'm unclear of what happened here, but

719
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:13.199
it sounds like she ran through multiple
people's fences and she ended up in this

720
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:19.960
pasture that was by some woods.
Her car became stuck in a bog and

721
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.880
Kaylana escaped her car and she ran
into the woods. There was a creek

722
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:29.199
and she crossed the creek, and
when she crossed the creek, she entered

723
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:34.280
into Montgomery County, the next county. Her father later followed the tracks and

724
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.639
thought that he saw her footsteps on
the other side of the creek, so

725
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.480
they believed that she made it to
the other side of the creek. They

726
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:44.280
found Kaylana's shoes, which were filled
with glass, her phone, and her

727
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:49.280
purse. Kaylana had attended south By
Southwest in the past, and her mom

728
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.400
thought that maybe she could have been
headed there. She called a friend of

729
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.639
Kailanas who lived in Austin, and
he confirmed that he had talked to her

730
00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:00.760
the day before and she had said
I'm coming to Austin. Mother and father

731
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.119
filed a missing person's report, but
the police told them they were going to

732
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.320
file and a rest warrant for her
because she had escaped from them. Despite

733
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:15.320
her mental and physical condition. Okay. The Calhouns contacted Texas Equa SARCH and

734
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.199
they agreed to help look for a
Kailana, but costing them that once there

735
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.559
was an arrest warrant filed, their
hands were tied and they wouldn't be able

736
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:29.000
to continue their search. They searched
the woods where Kaylana had disappeared, but

737
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.960
no trace of her was found.
Helicopters and heat seeking radar were used and

738
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:38.639
there was no trace. Kaylana was
then classified as a fugitive from justice rather

739
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:45.119
than a missing person, which prevented
search efforts and media exposure in the precious

740
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:50.320
early days of her disappearance. Rose
had to fight hard to get her reclassified

741
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.079
as a missing person. You can
see there's, you know, like a

742
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:57.440
difference. Yeah, it's strange.
I mean, but when you first said

743
00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.519
that they had an arrest warrant,
my first thought was, Oh, that's

744
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.840
probably good because that would be more
likely that they're gonna actively try to find

745
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:06.679
her. But I guess I was
thinking about that really the wrong way,

746
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:12.760
right. Kaylana was charged with three
felony warrants and two misdemeanor warrens due to

747
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.960
her escape and property damage the police
are more concerned with finding her and arresting

748
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:22.159
her than bringing her home safely to
her family. There have been no sightings

749
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:27.000
of Kaylana. Her family hopes that
she could have been picked up by someone.

750
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:31.159
Rosa Calhoun says her family still hasn't
received any help or answers from the

751
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:37.679
Harris County Sheriff's Department and that the
body cam footage they've requested has yet to

752
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:42.360
be released despite their pleas to view
the footage. So frustrating, So frustrating,

753
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:46.920
the Harris County Sheriff's office auctioned off
Kayalaana's car without her family's knowledge.

754
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.239
They were told they had no rights
to the vehicle because it was in Kaylana's

755
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.000
name. I mean, it hasn't
been a year since she disappeared. There

756
00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:00.519
could be evidence. I'm not sure
what happened to the belongings in her car.

757
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.800
That's mind boggling. As we near
the one year anniversary we have Kayalana's

758
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.360
disappearance, we send our love to
her family and hope they are able to

759
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.760
get some new leads and bring her
home. If you have any information,

760
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:16.920
please call the Texas equiserch Hotline at
two eight one three zero nine nine five

761
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:22.599
zero zero and again thanks to our
friend Kylie at Primetime Crime Crime with a

762
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:29.320
K. Go listen to Kylie's episode. She has a wonderful interview with Kayalana's

763
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:34.639
mom. Yeah, let's hope for
the best. On Facebook, Kalana's mom

764
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.639
posts daily, I think, sometimes
multiple times a day about her daughter and

765
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:44.199
memories and pictures, and it's heartbreaking. And I you know, just imagine

766
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.360
every every night you go to sleep, you're thinking of your daughter and praying

767
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:51.559
that she has found. Yeah,
for sure. Just so many people go

768
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:58.039
missing, and I hope we can
continue to feature missing people well as always.

769
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.159
Thank you all for listening. We
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770
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at pobox one one one Dexter,
Michigan four eight one three zero. Is

776
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.360
that right? That's right? All
right, until next time, don't kill

777
00:55:34.360 --> 00:56:10.559
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