May 5, 2025

Jennair and Mark Gerardot - Part 1

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Jennair and Mark Gerardot had been married for 24 years and together for 28, with a relationship marked by its share of highs and lows. Mark, often passive, contrasted sharply with Jennair, who could be more assertive, even aggressive at times. The couple, without children or much family nearby, were content to focus on their pets, which they both adored. However, when Jennair lost her job and struggled to find a new one, her self-esteem began to take a hit. The couple’s dynamic shifted as Jennair’s sense of identity eroded.

When Mark landed a new job in Delaware, Jennair stayed behind in South Carolina to pack up their life and handle the logistics of their move. This gave Mark six weeks of bachelor-like freedom. During this time, he and his 33-year-old boss, Meredith Sullivan Chapman, began developing a “work crush” on each other, igniting an affair that would change everything. As we left off, Jennair, ever perceptive, had begun to sense that something was off with her husband, though she couldn’t yet put her finger on it. What began as quiet suspicions soon spiraled into an all-consuming obsession. Jennair’s fixation on Meredith would lead to a devastating conclusion — one that no one could have predicted.

Listen to part 2 today on Patreon

Today's snack: Brownies from Greyston Bakery (thanks Anne!)

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Hi.

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I'm Tina, and I'm rich. And if there's one thing

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we've learned in over twenty years of marriage.

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It's that some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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And some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to love, Mary Kill, Good morning.

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My love. How are you.

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I'm doing well. How are you?

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I'm okay. It's been a little bit of a week,

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but I'm here.

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Yeah, you have had a bit of a rough week.

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A little bit. I pulled my back. I don't know

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what the right term is, but the other day I

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took a shower and I bent over and something popped

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in my back, and then it was it was bad.

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I evolved. I went from an upright homo sapien to

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like a crow magnum man and I really could not

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stand out for like three days. Yeah, it was really rough.

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Silly be thinking that I could take a shower before

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warming up.

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I have had my fair share of back problems that

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I know. I know the pain of that, and it's

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so it's crazy, like one little move can just mess

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you up and you just don't.

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I've been working out a lot and I thought, you know,

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I'm in pretty good shape, but.

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No, maybe you've been working out too much.

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The universe has a funny way of humbling you, and

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it happens to me a lot. But I'm on the mend.

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You almost starve to death, which I feel really bad.

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Well, I've just been really busy lately, and yesterday I

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actually forgot to eat lunch, which I don't think has

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ever happened.

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To me in the history of the world. No, you

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definitely don't forget to eat.

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No, And I just was so busy that I just forgot.

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I always joke like, if it's twelve oh one and

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you haven't eaten lunch, then something is dramatically wrong in

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the universe, even if for on vacation or whatever. It's

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like twelve oh one and the rest of us are

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always fine, but you always like, we need, we need to

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eat lunch. So yeah, that's that is that is crazy.

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It really wasn't uncomfortable unless I was trying to stand

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or move, but if I laid in one place, it

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was fine. So I did get to binge a few shows,

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and I did I did finish this case, so it's

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not all bad.

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Excellent our sweety.

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Pie listener, Ann, who sent us a snack a couple

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of weeks ago, she sent us the Ntonman Snacks snackcakes,

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which we really enjoyed. The whole family loved those. Yeah,

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But she sent us some brownies.

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Oh my goodness.

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They're from Greystone Bakery and there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

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eight brownies and there. It's really clever packaging because would

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you think that, you know, eight brownies would fit in there.

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So I'm not sure we can't try eight brownies? Do

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you want to just both?

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Just pick me for yourself.

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I definitely will eat them later. I brought you some

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lovely strawberries excellent. Do you want to just pick one

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of these brown I can? I can share Chocolate fudge Brownie,

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double chocolate chip Blondie, Vegan cinnamon Roll Blondie, Vegan fudge Brownie,

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Cherry chocolate Brownie, Snickerdoodle Blondie, Espresso roast brownie. Rich will

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not be trying that one, and Vegan Birthday cake Blondie.

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So which one sounds good?

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Whatever? The first one was like kind of a classic brownie.

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It sounds like, so I think we should it do that.

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Okay, we'll be right back. Let me read to you

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a little bit about Greystone Bakery. Our founder, Bernie Glassman

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was a Zen Buddhist teacher who opened Stone Bakery in

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nineteen eighty two. His mission was to use social action

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and compassion to hire people at the bakery with no

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judgment about their past, to treat them with dignity, and

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to help them realize their potential. To this day, the

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mission lives on, and our dedicated bakers at Greystone Bakery

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produced delicious brownies and blondies made from simple ingredients. Each

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brownie has this sweet story baked right in, and that's

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why we say eat brownies, changed lives.

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Love it. It's very coole and very good brownies too.

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Did the brownie taste familiar at all?

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I mean tasted like a brownie?

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Well you've had these brownies before because they are in

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Ben and Jerry's ice cream.

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Oh wow?

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Yeah? Yeah, they were very good brownies. And I love

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that they have a lovely mission statement. Yeah, that's very cool,

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so I will give them a ten out of ten.

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Same here.

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Well, I'm an idiot. I realize that I have been

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saying Greystone raw It's not Greystone, it's Grayston without an

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e at the end. But I think these would make

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a great birthday treat for a friend or family member.

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Yeah, for sure.

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If you would like to order them, go to shop

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dot Grayston dot org. G R E Y S. T

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O N dot org. We have a Google doc where

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we put all of the cases that people recommend, and

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sometimes I don't cross check that, and a couple of

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times recently I think I've screwed up and either thought

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that I found the case on my own, or I

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said the wrong person, or multiple people have recommended a case.

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I think what happens sometimes is like if someone recommends

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jack Smith Jacksmith's case, and Sarah has recommended it, I

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and someone else has recommended it, I get to put

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their name in the document. So I apologize for that.

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Today's case was recommended by Amy, a friend of the pod.

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Thank you for watching me.

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I mean, I think multiple people might have recommended it,

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but definitely Amy recommended it, and I think it was

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a while ago. This episode does contain talk of suicide,

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so please listen with care. This episode is research and

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written by Owen with Sorik. He noted that many of

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the details in this episode are sourced from Mark Girardo's

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self published book Irreparable, published in twenty twenty. While most

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of the book seems reliable, it was written from Mark's

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perspective because Jenair and Meredith are both dead and aren't

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able to tell their side of the story, we caution

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the listener to be aware of Mark's bias, whether implicit

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or unintended. While jen Air left behind diaries both written

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and video, we do know that in her final month

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she was not well emotionally or physically. The Bad Bad

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Thing Podcast season one was also a main source for

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these episodes, and we encourage you to listen to that.

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I also read the book and listened to the podcast,

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and the podcast is really well done, and I highly

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encourage you to listen to it. A lot of Jennyer's

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journals are read by an actor, and a lot of

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her video diaries are played. We're not including any of

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that in our podcast, but they're very raw and emotional,

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but I recommend that you listen to that podcast again.

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It's called Bad Bad Thing Podcast. On April twenty third,

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twenty eighteen, in a quiet duplex set away from the

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road and the upscale Mainline neighborhood of Philadelphia, forty seven

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year old Jennia Girardo was waiting, hidden in the shadows,

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wearing a black wig, black clothes, and carrying a three

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point fifty seven revolver. She'd let herself in hours earlier,

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using knowledge she'd gathered from weeks of surveillance. She knew

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where Meredith lived, she knew her schedule. She knew she'd

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be alone. Jennayre had been a loyal wife for twenty

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four years, but somewhere along the way, her husband Mark

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had fallen in love with another woman, his new boss,

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Meredith Chapman, ambitious, beautiful, brenette, athletic younger. Jennaire was devastated,

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and when Mark finally admitted the truth, it shattered her.

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She saw Meredith not just as the other woman, but

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as the reason her life had unraveled, the reason her

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marriage had failed, the reason she no longer recognized herself.

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So she made a plan. When Meredith walked through the

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front door that evening, she had no idea her boyfriend's

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wife was already inside, although maybe she should have. After

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months of warning signs that pointed to Jennaire's instability. One

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gunshot rang out, and moments later another and less than

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a minute. Two lives were gone, one stolen, one surrendered.

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But the story that led to this moment is anything

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but simple. This case is a little different because we

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have Mark's book and a lot of Jennaire's writing. It's

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more psychological and we learn more about their marriage and

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the inner workings of their marriage.

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Mark Gerardo was raised in a strict Catholic household in

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northeastern Indiana. Mark was the tenth of eleven children. He

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never missed a day of school in his entire life.

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Even when he was sick, his parents forced him to

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go to school. Mark was a straight A student and

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self described nerd. He didn't receive much attention or love

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from his family. In fact, in his book, he mentioned

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that he had never once told any of his siblings

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that he loved them, and they had never shown any

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sort of physical affection to each other. The only time

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he could remember any physical demonstration of affection was when

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he was much older and his brother, Ernie, whose childhood hero,

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was bed ridden dying of lung cancer. Ernie planted a

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kiss on Mark's cheek and died shortly after. Mark hasn't

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shed much light on the details of his childhood. It

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doesn't seem like he enjoys thinking or talking about it.

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The Gerardos ran a tight ship. Mark's parents were shy

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and insulated themselves from the outside world. They were extremely

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controlling of their children. Mark wasn't allowed to socialize with

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friends much outside of school. He had to fight constantly

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for even the smallest of freedom. A core memory of

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Marx from around puberty characterized his understanding of sex. For

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a long time. He was curious about his feelings, as

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any adolescent would be, and he wasn't being taught about

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what was happening to his body. So he flipped through

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a book his parents' own titled Sex and Your Body.

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As he looked at the diagrams inside, his mother walked

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into the living room and angrily told him to put

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it back. What are you sick?

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She said, Why would they even have that book, which

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sounds like it's meant for adolescents if they didn't want

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their kids to.

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Look at it exactly. While by the time Mark met Jenneyre,

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he was naive and inexperienced, Jennyre seemed entirely the opposite

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to him. Jenneyre Michelle was born to Becky and Earl

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Cox in December nineteen seventy in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Like Mark,

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she had a strained relationship with her family. She had

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one sister, Jill, who she did not get along with.

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The Coxes sent their daughters to private Catholic school, strain

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on their finances, but they wanted to give them the

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best possible education. Jeneyre resented being raised in the church,

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believing her mother was a hypocrite, a lapsed Catholic at best.

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Jenniere often fought with her ex marine father, who self

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medicated with alcohol to cope with his PTSD from the

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Vietnam War. When he drank, he was cruel, shaming jennyar

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and calling her names deeply damaging to her. As she

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struggled to find her place in the world. Adapting to

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her environment, she developed a survival strategy. Hit back harder,

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go scorched earth, call her father even worse names, hurt

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him more than he could hurt her. These fights became

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training days for her future marriage. Eventually, at seventeen, the

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conflict escalated to the point that she moved in with

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her grandparents. Jennere had both a rebellious streek and an

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indefatigable spirit that was hard to say. She wore a

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leather jacket, blasted heavy metal music, and teased her hair high.

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Her interests were as varied as her personality. She was

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a cheerleader who also loved acting, singing, and getting lost

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in her day dreams. Even as a teenager, Jennyre was

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outspoken to a fault, fiercely independent, and a bold freethinker

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who was known for her unmatched intensity, raisen, confident, and unafraid.

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She even posed nude for an art class in college,

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a decision that perfectly embodied her fearless spirit.

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I have a random question that I'm sure you don't

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know the answer to, but do you have any background

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on her name? Because to me, jen Eyre, it sounds

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like an appliance, kind of like it's a very strange.

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Oh it's not even that is the is it?

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Clients?

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It sounded so familiar, like why would someone name I've

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never heard that name before.

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I mean, it's a unique name, it sure is. Mark

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Gerardo first set eyes on Jenaire Cox in nineteen eighty

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six and Fort Wayne, Indiana, when he stepped into a

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taco bell who hasn't fallen in love in a taco bet.

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I've fallen in love many times in taco bell.

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He was eighteen and she was sixteen. Jennaire worked behind

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the counter and took Mark's order. He was mesberized by

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her ice, blue eyes and confident smile, as he liked

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to tell people, you're later. She made a brown polyester

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uniform look really good, But eighteen year old Mark didn't

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have game back then. He awkwardly blurted out his order

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while his friend openly flirted with Jennayre. She and Mark

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went to different high schools, so for the next several years,

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Mark admired her from afar when he saw her around

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town at the mall or at football games. That is

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until a fateful day four years later after their first

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meeting in nineteen ninety, when their paths crossed again at

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a Seer's Automotive Center. By this time, they were both

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in college, Jennaire at Indiana University Fort Wayne, majoring in

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broadcast media, while Mark was studying art and design nearby

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University of Saint Francis, a private Catholic school. While they

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waited for their car repairs, Jennaire recognized Mark and struck

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up a conversation. Although years had passed since their first meeting,

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Mark remained captivated and intimidated by Jennayre's beauty and confident presence.

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Jannaire worked at the mall, and Mark, clearly interested in her,

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would often visit. She grew irritated when he couldn't muster

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the courage to ask her out. Eventually, she burst out, quote,

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are you going to ask me out? Or what? Mark

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wanted to but he had a girlfriend at the time.

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When he had admitted this to Jennyire, she immediately backed

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off and said they shouldn't talk anymore. Mark dumped his

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girlfriend soon after. He was besotted with jen Eyre. She

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was so different from any other girl he'd ever known, But.

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Mark and Jenneyre were polar opposites. Jen Eyre was outgoing, passionate,

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and boldly carved her own path. She was interesting in

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a way that Mark was not. Mark knew she was

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out of his league in every sense. Mark was shy,

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laid back, deferential, risk averse. He tried to match jenn

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Eyre and project the image of a cool guy. He

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bought a leather jacket, cut his hair into a mullet,

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just totally the definition of a cool guy and drove

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a sports car, but he never really embodied cool the

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way that she did. He admired her effortless confidence and

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magnetic presence. It came to her so naturally. When he

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was with her, he felt more alive, more intriguing, like

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a more vivid version of himself. As enthralled as Mark

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was with Jeneire, not everyone was so happy for the couple. Once,

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when Mark and Jenneyre were snuggling on the couch at

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his parents' house, his father walked in, saw the two

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and loudly exclaimed to Jenneyre that it was time to

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go home. Mark walked Jennare to her car, and when

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he returned, his mother hissed, never bring that hussy into

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the house again. Woof. Mark packed his bags and left

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the house that same night and never went back. Mark's

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relationship with his parents had been contentious for a long time,

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and he felt empowered to finally leave their judgment behind

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when they became a couple. In earnest, jennayre coerced Mark

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out of his sexual shell, so to speak. He would

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often shrink away, intimidated, still thinking of sex in the

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terms his strict Catholic parents had modeled. Jeneyre told him Mark,

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sex is supposed to be fun, and he did have

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a lot of fun with Jenayre. They quickly fell in love,

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but the relationship was intense, sometimes too intense. Mark had

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never felt this way before, and the deep feelings scared him.

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He wasn't sure he was ready for the lifelong commitment

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he could feel Jenneyre wanted. When Mark met a girl

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named Jamie, a film student in one of his classes,

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he was attracted to her carefree, bubbly personality and the

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ease of their conversations. He told Jeneyre he wanted to

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explore other options to see other people before fully committing

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to her. She was heartbroken. Jeneyre didn't have many friends.

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Most people simply annoyed her. Her world had revolved around Mark.

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Mark and Jamie dated for a few months before she

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ghosted him for a tennis pro at her club. He

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was crushed and now realized the pain that he had

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caused Jeneire and knew that he needed to win her back,

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so Mark slithered back to her. Jeneyre was working at

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the Seers call center at the Mall at the time

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when she got off work, Mark was sitting on the

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bumper of her red Pontiac one thousand. She frowned when

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she saw him. What are you doing here, she asked, angrily,

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hoping for forgiveness. Being a complete idiot, jen Ayre melted

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into Mark's arms. He promised to never hurt her again.

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They quickly recoupled with a new intensity. When friends of

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Mark were meeting jen Ayre for the first time, he

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would try to warn them that she could be challenging

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and was slow to warm to people. She's an acquired taste,

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he would say, So.

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You say that to people before they meet me.

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Of course I don't say that. Why would you think that?

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In some ways I kind of identify with Jennaire. I

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think I say inappropriate things all the time, maybe once

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in a while. Well remember a listener recently said they

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complimented your patients, and it made me left because you

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are exceedingly patient.

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I think most of our listeners, and myself included, think

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that you're lovely. Mark's friends were cautious around jen Eyre,

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and for good reason. They saw her as overly critical, controlling,

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and fiercely possessive. She disliked when Mark went out without her,

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yet often refused to join if anyone she didn't approve

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of was in, and there were many that she didn't

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approve of. Unlike his family, whose concerns he could more

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easily brush aside their observations stuck with him, Jeneyre didn't

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have a wide circle of friends herself. Her blunt honesty

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could come off as abrasive, and she often insisted that

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she didn't need anyone else. All her focus, all her

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energy was centered on Mark, and she expected that same

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intensity in return. Mark's friends compared Jenair to Glenn Close's

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character in Fatal Attraction, who that is not a good comparison.

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His best friend, Mike Hartman, who would later serve as

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his best man, begged him to break off the relationship.

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Mike believed it was a mistake, convinced that jen Eyre

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was bad for him, but Mark couldn't see the problems

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in their relationship. Given the way he was raised, he

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assumed this was just how relationships worked. He was used

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to being bossed around. After he graduated from college. In

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the slack job market, it took Mark a year to

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find a job. He finally landed in a position as

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a graphic designer at a magazine in Indianapolis. Torn from Jenayre,

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working a new job in a new city two hours

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from Fort Wayne caused Mark to cling to her, and

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he soon found himself unable to live without her. He

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bought a cheap ring and proposed Mark's friends and family

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were not supportive of his decision. We'll be back after

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a break.

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Mark twenty five and Jenere twenty three were married in

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October nineteen ninety three. Their first dance was to the

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song It Had to Be You. While not everyone had

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blessed their union, and was obvious to all who attended

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the wedding that they were a beautiful couple deeply in love.

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Jenne Air waitressed while she finished up her degree at

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Butler University. Their first apartment together was run down, and

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their only piece of furniture was a twin bed, which

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suited them just fine.

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Do you imagine sleeping in a twin bed again as

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a couple?

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No, I can't. Didn't we somewhere?

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He did so proudly.

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Early on, they'd crawl in together at night, watch movies

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and shut out the rest of the world. They were young, attractive,

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and intelligent, and they knew it they'd catched people's envious

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sidelong glances. They were both going places and together they

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were unstoppable. On the outside, they seemed like the picture

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perfect couple. They worked hard, saving every penny until in

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nineteen ninety eight they could finally afford a home. It

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was small and run down, but in a good location.

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They couldn't believe they were homeowners. Over the next seven years,

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they pour their energy into fixing it up. Working side

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by side, they flipped the entire house and learned along

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the way how to cut and install tile, de plumbing, landscaping,

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and more. It was a major undertaking, but in many

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ways it was exactly what they needed, a shared goal,

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something they could build together. When friends visited, they wondered

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how the laid back Mark could be married to jen Eyre.

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They found her to be loud and manic. What they

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didn't know is that often Mark couldn't stand it. There

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were a few anecdotes and marks, which, while they're one sited,

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give a good sense of what living with Jennayre may

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have been.

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Like.

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Mark's older brother had been working as a groundskeeper on

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a golf course. The pesticides the chorus had been using

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severely damaged his kidneys. There was a family meeting with

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a doctor who was explaining how one of the ten

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siblings could be an ideal candidate for kidney donation. Jennayre

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butted in in front of the whole family, saying she

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would not let Mark do it. Quote what if he dies?

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What do I get? I mean, look, if he has

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to do this, I'm at least going to have his

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sperm frozen. Before Mark cut her off. It became the

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subject of much family gossip.

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Ah, I can imagine that's pretty that's pretty harsh.

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In the aftermath of the death of Mark's father, Jenneyer

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behaved rather poorly again in regards to the distribution of

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his belongings. She encouraged Mark to adopt a smash and

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grab approach, snatching everything he wanted instead of diplomatically divvying

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up the property. Jennayre also forged Mark's signature on a

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letter to the Gerardo family's estate life, going around not

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just his back, but also the back of Mark's older sister, Jeanie,

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who was agreed upon as the executor of the estate.

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This was seen as a major faux pas, and again

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caused a lot of drama in the family. Jennaire was

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a pacifist and a big animal lover. She preferred animals

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to most people. Once, during a walk around the neighborhood,

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Jennaire and Mark spotted a distressed squirrel and a trap

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in a neighbour's yard. That night, Jennaire dressed up all

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in black, biked down to the neighbor's house, freed the squirrel,

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and stole the trap. When Mark woke up the next morning,

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he found the empty trap in their garage. The incident

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would be addressed in the next HOA meeting, but Jennaire

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and Mark giggled knowing that they had saved the animal

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from its fate.

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Well as bad as Jenaire sounds in a lot of

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this story so far, that kind of redeems her a

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little bit.

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She really really really loved animals.

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Yeah.

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Soon Jannaire and Mark's careers took off. She got a

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good job working as a marketing coordinator for a top

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national real estate firm, traveling all over the country on

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the company jet setting up industry trade shows. Mark started

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his own design firm, Gerardo In Company. When jenneyre overstepped

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to her authority by arranging photo shoots with clients without

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her boss's approval. She was fired. Mark told her she

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could come work for him. He and his team had

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more work than they could handle. Initially, Jennaire's organization and

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attention to detail was welcome in an office full of

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chaotic creatives, but Mark failed to clearly define her role,

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and before he knew it, she had steamrolled everyone in

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the office and taken over.

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I had a funny feeling that's where that was going

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to go.

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Business was good, but Mark's team was miserable and felt disempowered.

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When his employees came to him six months into the

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new arrangement threatening to quit, he didn't know what to do.

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Jennaire had made Girardo in company more successful. In the end,

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jennayir stayed and a couple of employees left. It had

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always been part of Jennair and Mark's plan to have children.

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It was the next logical step in their path. That's

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what you do right once you get married and you

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own a house. They'd even picked names Jackson for a boy.

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The name Jack Girardo thrilled them, and Audrey after Jennare's

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grandmother if they had a girl. But the right time

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never came and Jenayre had a deep seated fear that

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she would be a bad mother, that her difficult childhood

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would echo through her own children. Mark wasn't too concerned

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either way, so it just never happened. They adopted two

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Golden Retrievers and a cat in place of kids. They

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poured all of their love into their pets, and they

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found that very fulfilling. Jennaire's parents were supportive of their

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decision not to have children and affectionately referred to their

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Goldens as their grand dogs.

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In two thousand and five, riding high on the success

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of their company, the Girardos purchased their dream home, a

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six thousand square foot behemoth in an affluent Carmel, Indiana neighborhood,

468
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:52.480
complete with two jenare ovens. Carmel, known as the roundabout

469
00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:55.240
capital of the World, is also one of the wealthiest

470
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:56.160
cities in the state.

471
00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:58.400
I don't think i'd want to live there. There are

472
00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:03.039
over one hundred and fifty rounds. Well, some roundabouts are easypasy, yeah,

473
00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.640
but sometimes they get super complicated when they're like one

474
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:06.839
after another after another.

475
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:10.000
Yeah, they get like over engineered and gets super like confusing.

476
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:11.400
Something you have to be in the right lane, and

477
00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:12.759
if you're not in the right lane, then you have

478
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:14.200
to end up on the highway.

479
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:17.119
Yeah. The Gerardo's spent more than they should have on

480
00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:20.000
the house and then sunk another one hundred thousand dollars

481
00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:23.359
into it, once again self renovating the property. But by

482
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.200
two thousand and nine, when the global recession hit, business

483
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.279
dried up, and like so many others, the Gerardo's found

484
00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:32.680
their home underwater. Mark was forced to shutter his office

485
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:36.200
and lay off his remaining employees. He moved operations to

486
00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:39.400
his home's basement and continued working with jen Ayre on

487
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.839
the few remaining campaigns. With the stress of the financial

488
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:46.240
crisis and too much time working together, their fights reached

489
00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.319
a new level. As the years passed. The very traits

490
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:51.720
that had once drawn them to each other now became

491
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:56.039
constant sources of irritation. Their differences no longer felt exciting.

492
00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.200
They had become obstacles, fueling relentless bickering. Where mar Work

493
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.319
had once admired Jennair's passion, he now saw her as

494
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.200
loud and overbearing. He began to wonder if she was

495
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:11.319
intentionally provoking arguments, and while Jenneyre had once appreciated Mark's quiet,

496
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.400
deferential nature, she now saw him as hopelessly conflict averse,

497
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:20.079
unable to confront uncomfortable topics like their finances or her

498
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:24.200
increasingly harsh criticism of him. Working together, and the mounting

499
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:28.480
financial pressures both personal and business, intensified the strain on

500
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:34.000
their already fragile marriage. Ordinary conversations escalated quickly into heated arguments.

501
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.799
Fights became so frequent and intense they started spilling into

502
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:43.240
public places, restaurants, stores, situations that were deeply uncomfortable for Mark.

503
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:47.559
Once Jenaire even threw a glass of wine in his face. Mark,

504
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:50.599
a private person by nature, often walked away from these

505
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.079
scenes in an effort to diffuse the fight. Another recurring

506
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:57.720
source of tension was Mark's lack of focus. Jenayre frequently

507
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:01.119
accused him of having adhd from frustrated by how often

508
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.079
he forgot things like picking up groceries on the way home.

509
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.279
It became such an issue that Mark eventually started taking

510
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.480
adderall but he stopped after deciding he didn't like how

511
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.119
it made him feel. Mark argued in his book that

512
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.319
he was not conflict of verse, but Jenayir thrived on it.

513
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.720
She seemed to love the public displays of acrimony. He

514
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:23.519
refused to engage because quote, nobody ever won an argument

515
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:27.079
with her, given her contemptuous relationship with her father. This

516
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.440
was how Jeneyre had learned to navigate relationships to make

517
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.279
herself heard. This was simply how she solved problems. Sometimes

518
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.480
you had to fight things out. To Jenneyre, Mark's passivity

519
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.279
was childish. She felt like she was becoming his mother,

520
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.759
doing everything for him. This was a point she'd repeat

521
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.440
over and over in her personal life to friends and

522
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.759
to Mark's face. He's turning me into his mother, to

523
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.960
which Mark would reply, then stop being my mother, and

524
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.920
he meant it. He was starting to think of her

525
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:58.200
as a helicopter wife. Jennaire's tendency to hold on to

526
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.440
things stacks of old magazine means empty wine bottles, she

527
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.200
insisted would be repurposed someday became a constant source of

528
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:09.440
tension in their marriage. For her, these items held memories, possibilities,

529
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.319
a sense of control. For Mark, they were just clutter.

530
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:16.480
He leaned toward minimalism, toward order when he threw things out,

531
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.279
thinking he was doing them both a favor. Jennyre saw

532
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.519
it as a betrayal. She would rage, sometimes climbing into

533
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:25.920
the dumpster to rescue what he had discarded. Furious. It

534
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.319
was a standoff between two worldviews, one rooted in sentimentality,

535
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.079
the other in simplicity. The uneasy compromise they reached was

536
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.720
to rent a storage unit, a kind of purgatory for

537
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.799
their shared LIFs detritus. It was a solution that kept

538
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.400
the peace, at least on the surface, but after Jennaire's death,

539
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:46.960
that fragile balance was shattered. A semi truck pulled up

540
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:50.480
outside Mark's apartment, filled floor to ceiling with the remnants

541
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:55.160
of her life, a physical embodiment of everything unresolved between them.

542
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.640
So you said you related a little bit to jen Ayre,

543
00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:59.759
But in this case, I think we're pretty much on

544
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.680
the opposite side of things, because do you remember the

545
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.319
fight we got into once over my CD collection?

546
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.920
It was not just CD Listen to me, she's getting

547
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.640
ramped up. It wasn't just CDs. It was like DVDs

548
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:18.680
and yeah, and my defense, have you opened that box

549
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:23.079
box of DVDs and like? And I think it was

550
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:24.200
before we moved to this house.

551
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:25.960
Yeah, it was when we were having a garage sale

552
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:28.279
at our old house getting ready to move to this house,

553
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.759
and you get really mad that I didn't. I wanted

554
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:32.599
to save some of my CDs, even though I never

555
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:33.440
listened to them.

556
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.599
Really mad. It might be an over exaggeration. Yeah, I

557
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.839
had my things too. I used to kind of be

558
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.480
a magazine not a hoarder. I had like stacks of

559
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.640
magazines because I used to subscribe to magazines with the

560
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.480
best of intentions, but I never read them, so they

561
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.839
kind of stacked up. It was very liberating when I

562
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.680
was like, I'm never gonna subscribe to another magazine again,

563
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.039
and I'm gonna I'm gonna think I donated them to

564
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.559
the library actually, because they were like kind of good magazine. Yeah,

565
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.079
America's Test Kitchen, and you know, like those which you

566
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:05.640
don't really want to throw away, right.

567
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.480
I think I am a little more prone to like

568
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.680
just sentimentally holding onto things even though I'll never probably

569
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:11.400
look at them again.

570
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.000
But I mean, I don't want to go do too

571
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.480
deep here. But psychologically I understand that because your parents

572
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.920
are both deceased and you're kind of a keeper of memories.

573
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.440
Have I never said that to you. I think I

574
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.079
realized that during our move that It's unfair of me

575
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.200
to ask you to get rid of some things because

576
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.559
you know they're they're importants, your memories of your family.

577
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.480
I never thought of it that way. You're really brilliant.

578
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:37.759
I do have a degree in technology. I'm very sentimental, however,

579
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.640
about our kids things, and like their artwork and.

580
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.079
Their thinks, like some of the toys.

581
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.519
Toys. We have a lot of toys. It'll be sad

582
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.799
if we are able to have a never image. That's

583
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:51.920
on with the show, okay.

584
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.000
The fractures in their marriage had been forming for years,

585
00:29:55.240 --> 00:30:00.000
hairline at first, then widening with every unspoken resentment, every unresolve.

586
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.319
By the time Mark boarded a plane to Berlin in

587
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.559
two thousand and four with his best friend Mike, the

588
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:09.279
foundation was already buckling. Mark was bone tired of putting

589
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.640
jen Eyre's emotional needs before his. The trip was supposed

590
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.359
to be business, a trade show, a few meetings, but

591
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.839
it quickly turned into an escape. They drank and laughed,

592
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.279
letting the weight of the world slip from their shoulders

593
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.599
for a night. That night, Mark met a beautiful Austrian

594
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:28.160
woman with an easy smile, alcohol flowing, He thought how

595
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.519
nice it was to flirt with a woman without years

596
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.000
of baggage parked between them. Living in the moment, Mark

597
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:36.480
didn't think about Jeneyre or the years they had spent

598
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:39.519
trying to hold things together. He woke the next morning

599
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.759
in a stranger's bed, feeling ashamed, but with a resolve

600
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.400
that Jenayre could never find out about his slip up.

601
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.359
He was stunned and irked that Mike hadn't stopped him

602
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.640
from crossing the line. That's kind of blame your friend

603
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.720
for that. Can't believe you let me sleep with it.

604
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.559
But it wasn't Mike's responsibility to remind Mark that he

605
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.319
was married, and he enjoyed seeing his friend unburdened. Mark

606
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.160
had looked genuinely happy in the presence of this other woman,

607
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:06.960
happier than he'd ever seen him with jen Eyre, and

608
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.759
he wanted him to have one care free night. What

609
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.559
Mark didn't know was that jen Eyre had been secretly

610
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:16.920
reading his emails for years. So when he returned from Berlin,

611
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.640
unaware that his betrayal had already been discovered, she was

612
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:24.039
waiting with quiet rage and a growing need for answers.

613
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.519
She wanted to know everything. Posing as Mark, she sent

614
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.960
a follow up email to Mike, hoping to fill in

615
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.880
the blanks. It was a violation, yes, but one that

616
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:34.880
came from deep hurt and desperation.

617
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.440
I mean, that's that's pretty bad.

618
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:38.440
That is pretty bad.

619
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.079
Have you ever read any of my emails or texts?

620
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:41.960
No, I don't know.

621
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:43.519
If you did, anyone admit to it.

622
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:44.400
Oh, I would do.

623
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.359
I think we're both super I like to think we're

624
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.200
super respectful of each other's privacy in that regard.

625
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.880
Yeah, for sure. Despite the pain of Mark's infidelity, Jenaire

626
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.559
wasn't ready to walk away. She was devastated, but not done.

627
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.640
If they could confront this together, if they could repair

628
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.799
what was broken, maybe they still had a chance. Her

629
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:08.240
condition was clear, they would go to couples therapy together.

630
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.799
They enrolled in a five day marriage boot camp retreat,

631
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.559
hoping to reset to rebuild, but some damage was harder

632
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.240
to undo. Jenaire had always had a strained relationship with Mike,

633
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.200
but after Berlin it was now open hostility. She couldn't

634
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.960
bring herself to blame Mark fully, so she blamed Mike instead.

635
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.880
Poor Mike, he's getting blamed from Mark, He's getting blamed

636
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.759
from Jeneire. In her eyes, he had stood by and

637
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.039
watched it happen. He had allowed it. The wedge between

638
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.319
them was permanent, and slowly Mark saw less and less

639
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.160
of his best friend. For a while, things settled into

640
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.559
a kind of uneasy normal. They returned to their routines

641
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.160
and tried to move forward. But there were more storms

642
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.559
on the horizon for Jenere and Mark, much stronger storms.

643
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.640
The marriage boot Camp had helped, at least for a while.

644
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:59.599
It gave them tools, communication strategies, ways to manage conflict,

645
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:01.920
and for a time it seemed like they might be

646
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.160
on steadier ground. But just as they were trying to rebuild,

647
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.880
another blow hit. Their client based dried up. In a

648
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.519
shaky economy, few were willing to spend on packaging design,

649
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.960
and the dependable work they once relied on began to vanish.

650
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.240
Now working together full time, they had no space, no

651
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.640
physical or emotional distance between them. Work stress bled into

652
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.720
home life, and home stress followed them to work. There

653
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.960
was no escape. Tensions simmered constantly, and arguments became a

654
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:36.200
daily occurrence. Finances, already a sensitive issue, grew even more strained.

655
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.640
Jannaire had always managed the money she thought Mark spent

656
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.839
frivolously and kept tight control over their accounts. She refused

657
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.279
to share passwords, and any time he asked, it triggered

658
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.759
a fight. She saw it as a lack of trust.

659
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.319
He saw it as a lack of transparency. Janna and

660
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.559
Mark were forced to take on debt to keep their

661
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.039
business afloat, but Mark had no clear picture of their

662
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:00.400
debt to earnings ratio.

663
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:01.400
Do anything.

664
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.400
That's pretty problematic. She would never share the financial information

665
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:06.799
with him.

666
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.400
Yeah, that really is problematic. As a married couple, you

667
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.079
should pretty much both have complete transparency.

668
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.159
Unless you had already had the agreement that we're going

669
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.679
to keep our finances right a separate Things had started

670
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.760
to unravel again. The tension was constant, the arguments relentless.

671
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.719
But then a lifeline appeared, a job offer from Mark

672
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.880
from Up and Up, a branding agency that worked primarily

673
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.960
with colleges and universities. It meant starting over, leaving behind

674
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.679
Gerardo and Company, their oversized, expensive home and the life

675
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.320
that they'd build in Indiana. Mark hesitated, unsure how jen

676
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.639
Eyer would take the news, but to his surprise, she

677
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.360
was thrilled. A clean slate was exactly what she wanted.

678
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:52.039
The stressors that had weighed on them so heavily work, money,

679
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.880
the same old routines would finally be behind them. So

680
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.760
they took the leap. They sold their house, parted with

681
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.039
many of their belongings, and said goodbye to the only

682
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.039
place that they'd ever called home, Indiana. It was a

683
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.679
chance to simplify, to reset. Both had spent their entire

684
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.840
lives in Indiana, and South Carolina offered something that they

685
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.840
hadn't felt in a long time, hope. They were still

686
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.320
grieving the loss of their beloved golden retriever Mesa when

687
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.760
they adopted two new goldens, Huckleberry and Abbey. The dogs

688
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.079
brought warmth and energy back into their lives, and slowly

689
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.639
they began to feel like a family again. With the

690
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.719
weight of the recessions still lingering, they made the conscious

691
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.800
decision to live simply. No big new house, no big purchases,

692
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:40.039
just time, space and the opportunity to breathe. Mark would

693
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.199
later describe this period as a renaissance in their marriage.

694
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.679
They explored new places, found new routines, and walked their

695
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.400
dogs along unfamiliar trails, and somewhere in the quiet and

696
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.360
the calm, Mark found himself falling in love with Jennaire

697
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.559
all over again. Jannaire found work at an industrial valve

698
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:03.079
manufacturing facility called Circle Instrumentation. It wasn't her dream job,

699
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.719
but it paid the bills. However, after five years, she

700
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:10.719
was laid off during a restructuring. It was a devastating

701
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.079
blow to Jannaire. She took the firing exceptionally hard. It

702
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.280
was the impetus of her life's downward spiral. She felt aimless,

703
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:23.559
even pathetic, hopeless. She no longer recognized her reflection in

704
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.920
the mirror. She felt old and unattractive, like she had

705
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.039
nothing else to give. Jennier struggled to find a new job,

706
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.639
and then her health began to decline. She developed chronic

707
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:38.159
abdominal pain and was eventually diagnosed with fibroid tumors that

708
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.840
would later require surgery. To make things worse, every time

709
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:45.119
Mark gently suggested Jannaire consider a new career path or

710
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.800
go back to school, she didn't hear support, she heard criticism,

711
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.000
felt like he was belittling her, and the distance between

712
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.079
them quietly grew. Jenneire around this time is I think

713
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.480
she's forty six, and you know that's a hard time

714
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:00.800
at a woman's life just kind of start like, you know,

715
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.719
like I said, you don't really recognize yourself in the mirror.

716
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.360
You start aging. But Jenaire was still like a beautiful woman,

717
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:11.039
and his book mark really made me mad. He sounded

718
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.360
really unsupportive during this time because he was like, I mean, yeah,

719
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.039
she's forty six, how is she going to find a job?

720
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.159
He kind of made it sound like it was impossible

721
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.480
for a woman at that age to read, you know,

722
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.679
to find a new job. Yeah, because she'd be judged

723
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.559
for her age. You interview a lot of people. Would

724
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.639
you ever look at a woman, even at fifty and say, oh,

725
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:32.960
she's unhiable, she's too old for this position?

726
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:34.239
Absolutely not.

727
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.760
After a year, jen Ayre took a job she saw

728
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.119
is beneath her as a cashier with a public supermarket chain,

729
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.480
But retail work made her even more depressed, and her

730
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.079
depression became their depression. The job only lasted a few

731
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:50.960
weeks before a new opportunity came Mark's way, and soon

732
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.960
Jeneyre would be so consumed by a new project she

733
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.440
wouldn't have time to worry about finding a new job.

734
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.880
We'll be back After a break.

735
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.480
Mark began looking for a new job away from South Carolina, which,

736
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:13.599
after six years, never quite felt like home. He shot

737
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.400
off a few resumes for job opportunities in other parts

738
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.639
of the country, where he and Jennayre thought might be

739
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.400
nice to live. Years earlier, they had taken a trip

740
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.760
to Denver and had fallen in love with the area.

741
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.840
They loved the hiking and the food scene. It had

742
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:28.840
been in the back of their heads for years that

743
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.719
if an opportunity presented itself, they would jump for a

744
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.679
chance to live there. Mark had several interviews with a

745
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.119
Denver based company and felt sure that he would get

746
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.920
a job offer after they flew him out for an interview.

747
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:43.079
A move to Colorado would save them, but when he

748
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.719
received a rejection email, both he and Jennyre were crushed.

749
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.320
Mark continued to look for work, casting a wider net.

750
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.880
When he found a job posting in the marketing department

751
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.360
at the University of Delaware, he decided to apply, even

752
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.760
though he had never set foot in the state before.

753
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.079
Shortly after some admitting his resume, he received an email

754
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.880
from a bright young woman named Meredith Sullivan Chapman who

755
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.480
was interested in learning more about him. Meredith Lynn Sullivan

756
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.599
was born on January thirty first, nineteen eighty five, in Newark, Delaware.

757
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.239
For her entire brief life, she was active and ambitious,

758
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:21.960
drawn to dance, gymnastics, lacrosse, tennis, and track, but her

759
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:26.079
passion was cheerleading. She even traveled to China to teach cheerleading.

760
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:29.239
Meredith was a member of the National Honor Society and

761
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.239
active in student government. When it was time to pick

762
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.679
a college, she chose the University of Delaware, a Division

763
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.199
I school, to be part of the Blue Hen cheerleading team.

764
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:42.880
Meredith had an impressive resume, especially for someone just thirty

765
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.920
three years old. She had served as press secretary for

766
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.880
a congressman and worked at Philadelphia public TV station WHYY

767
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.480
as a producer and social media manager. In two thousand

768
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.639
and nine, she helped create an Emmy nominated documentary about

769
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:01.360
Joe Biden. By twenty sixteen, at just thirty, she made

770
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.599
a bold leap into politics and ran for Delaware's eighth

771
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:08.840
District Senate seat. Though her campaign was ultimately unsuccessful, she

772
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:12.559
lost by just seven hundred and forty seven votes. Meredith

773
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.000
was very conscious of her image. She branded herself both

774
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:23.639
professionally and personally. Her Instagram bio said it all quote creative, loving, fun, energetic, chopaholic,

775
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.320
shoe addict, beach girl, convertible lover, fitness enthusiast, hashtag always

776
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:30.239
the girl in green.

777
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.599
Wait, what does your social media.

778
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.039
I don't think it says much. I'm not really big

779
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:38.480
on social media these days.

780
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:39.880
You're not branding yourself?

781
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:40.239
No?

782
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.480
Probably not. The hashtag was a signature of sorts for Meredith.

783
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.840
She loved the color green and often incorporated the color

784
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.079
into her outfits. At four foot eleven, most would call

785
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:54.480
her short, but she branded this too and called herself

786
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:59.559
concentrated awesome. I like that, but polished appearances don't always

787
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.760
reflect the truth of what is going on behind closed doors.

788
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.239
Meredith's nine year marriage to Luke Chapman, a New York

789
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.320
City councilman and financial adviser, was little more than a facade.

790
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.119
Their paths rarely crossed. Their careers were more important than

791
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.760
their marriage, which had become more of a performance than

792
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.800
a partnership. Broad smiles at family gatherings or media events

793
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:25.159
and carefully curated social media posts all masking the distance

794
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.159
between them. Behind the scenes, intimacy had long faded. Their

795
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:33.039
marriage was a sham Mark Girardo met Meredith in October

796
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:36.280
twenty seventeen. She was running the marketing department at the

797
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.639
University of Delaware, where she also taught digital marketing and

798
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.880
social media strategy as an adjunct professor. She was the young,

799
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:48.159
cool professor who looked like and spoke like a LinkedIn influencer.

800
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:51.199
When Mark first sat down across from Meredith during a

801
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:55.239
job interview, his first instinct was apprehension. Could he report

802
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.280
to someone fifteen years younger than him? Would his ego

803
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.840
allow for that? What could he learn from her? But

804
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.599
his concerns were quickly quashed. He was dumb struck by Meredith.

805
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.400
He found her drive and her power intoxicating and attractive.

806
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.480
Minutes into the interview, he was confident he wanted to

807
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.559
work with her. He got his wish. A formal offer

808
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.119
for the role of creative director at the University of

809
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.480
Delaware was sent his way soon after the interview. Mark

810
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.320
was excited about the job, and Jenayir was open to it,

811
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.639
but she also expressed hesitation. She had really had her

812
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.960
heart set on Denver. You sure, she asked Mark before

813
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.000
he accepted the job formally. You've never managed a team

814
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:35.400
this size before. I don't think you can handle it.

815
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.239
You don't want to wait for something better? What about Denver?

816
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.840
Mark was sure he wanted the job. He thought he

817
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.559
and Meredith would be a dream team with her ambition

818
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:45.719
and his skill set.

819
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.840
So remember this story is told largely from Mark's perspective,

820
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.320
and that whole Well, you've never managed to team this size.

821
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.519
Are you sure you can handle it? I thought that

822
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.239
was I can't imagine saying that to your spouse.

823
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:03.039
Yeah, a little bit odd. Mark moved ahead to Wilmington,

824
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.199
Delaware to start the job in November twenty seventeen, while

825
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.159
Jenayre hung back in South Carolina to tie up all

826
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:11.840
the loose ends and find somebody to take over their lease.

827
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.760
He rented a furnished apartment. The plan was for Jenair

828
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.679
to join him in forty five days, right before Christmas.

829
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:21.719
That left Mark all alone in a new environment, living

830
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.760
as a bachelor for the first time in decades, working

831
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.000
with an attractive, vivacious, younger woman. On top of everything else,

832
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.719
Mark was going through a bit of a midlife crisis.

833
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.519
He kept thinking about his wife and their marriage, which

834
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.480
often frustrated him, wondering is this really it? There's nothing

835
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:40.199
new to look forward to in my life.

836
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.159
What could go wrong in this situation?

837
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.519
Yeah, I can't imagine. Meredith invited Mark out for a

838
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.840
drink after his first week on the job to see

839
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.360
how he was settling in. The conversation quickly turned personal.

840
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.400
Mark opened up in a way that even surprised himself.

841
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.920
He admitted to Meredith that he had a quote professional

842
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.719
crush on her. She laughed and said, one hundred percent,

843
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:03.360
that's exactly how I feel.

844
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.599
Okay, have you ever had a professional crush? And if

845
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:08.639
you did, I'd kill her.

846
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:11.519
Yes, And if I did, I would never say that

847
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:16.639
to anybody. Telling that to your boss over drinks is terrible,

848
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:21.760
terrible idea. And one job, one week, that's really not good.

849
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.320
It's so unprofessional.

850
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:26.280
Yeah, completely, And for her to respond that way too,

851
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:28.920
that that's one hundred percent exactly how I feel, that's

852
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:30.639
also completely unprofessional.

853
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:32.639
I was outraged by this moment.

854
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.719
In the book, Mark and Meredith talked for hours. He

855
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.039
told her about the loss of his parents and the

856
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:41.239
recent loss of his brother, his relationship with jen Eyre,

857
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.559
and how he'd grown exasperated with her. The two found

858
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.719
they both had quite a lot in common. They were

859
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.000
both fiscal conservatives. They were both pro choice, loved red wine,

860
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.920
Joe Biden, and hated bananas. That's a that's a really

861
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.360
point to Yeah that first of all, who hates bananas?

862
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.519
And second that's really not a great point to lay

863
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:04.559
a foundation for a relationship on. But okay, and they

864
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.760
were both frustrated in their marriages and wanted something more,

865
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.960
something deeper. They made a spreadsheet of all the things

866
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.920
they had in common and found very few differences.

867
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.199
Because when you start your little romance, you're not looking

868
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.920
for differences.

869
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:26.840
Just making a spreadsheet. That's just that real. Soon after,

870
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.480
Mark was driving back to the office after an off

871
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.000
site meeting and stopped at a wah Wah gas station.

872
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.960
Remembering that Meredith loved the snacks and sandwiches available there,

873
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.559
he sent her a text message, what can I get

874
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:39.599
you from wah Wah?

875
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.719
What? Seriously? What are you doing at wah Wah?

876
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.119
I needed to get gas? What can I get you

877
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:45.639
for lunch?

878
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.079
That's so nice of you? I love some fruit?

879
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.320
Okay? Can you be more specific?

880
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:54.760
Anything but bananas? I can't stand bananas.

881
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.800
Are you messing with me? I must have already told.

882
00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:59.679
You told me? What seriously?

883
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.039
I absolutely hate bananas. They are my kryptonite.

884
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.440
That's bananas.

885
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:05.920
Oh my god.

886
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.119
I know a lot of people don't like bananas, and

887
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:12.320
it's okay. I just happened to. I eat one almost

888
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.920
every day, but I know a lot of people hate them.

889
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.440
I think it's a texture thing usually okay, but it's okay.

890
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.400
The two spent the next couple of weeks growing closer,

891
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.000
hanging out more and more often working out together, going

892
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:27.880
for meals which they could pass off as business meetings.

893
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.679
Mark loved how free Meredith was with her compliments. Jenayre

894
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.480
never gave him praise. It wasn't long before they went

895
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.360
on a proper date. Mark was dining out alone when

896
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.360
he received a text message.

897
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:39.840
Where are you.

898
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.440
I'm at dinner with whom myself.

899
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.440
Hashtag so invite me.

900
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.239
They kissed for the first time after that dinner. Later,

901
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.679
Mark was hit with a wave of guilt and panic.

902
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.199
He told Meredith that he quote couldn't do this to Jennair.

903
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:57.880
He backed off a little bit after that, though, the

904
00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.559
attraction was still there.

905
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.559
To fly back to South Carolina so he and Jenneire

906
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.719
could put down one of their golden retrievers, Abby, who

907
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.840
had become very sick. Jennia noticed that Mark was talking

908
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.079
NonStop about his new boss and became suspicious. Mark denied

909
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.360
having an affair. Jenneia told him just don't fall in

910
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:19.880
love with her, but it was too late. Not too

911
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:23.360
long after, Mark flew to Denver for another job interview.

912
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.360
Jennaire was much more excited about this prospect than Mark's

913
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.400
job at the University of Delaware. She loved the idea

914
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.800
of living in the mountains. She told him, quote, don't

915
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.440
screw this up on purpose because you just don't want it.

916
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.920
This is where we want to be. But during the interview,

917
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:42.039
Mark had an epiphany and realized that he didn't want

918
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.360
the job or to move to Colorado. All he wanted

919
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.559
was to be with Meredith. Unbeknownst to Mark, Meredith had

920
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.599
also applied for a new job at Villanova University. She

921
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.719
wanted to eliminate any barriers that might prevent a future

922
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:59.719
with Mark. Before he flew back to Delaware, he sent

923
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:03.679
mayor At the following text three things I know One

924
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.039
you were my hero. Two I would take a bullet

925
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.079
for you. Three no more lines.

926
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.480
No more lines? What does that mean?

927
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.559
I think he may have meant that he wanted to

928
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:19.559
be honest with her and their future and what they

929
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.519
wanted from each other. I think they had kind of

930
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.119
because they're both married. I think they had been playing

931
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.559
kind of this game, like what are we? You know,

932
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.039
we're just coworkers who like to flirt and we both

933
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:31.880
hate bananas and you know, all that kind of thing.

934
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:32.800
Yeah, that makes sense.

935
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.599
He drove straight back to his office at the university

936
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.920
after he landed. Meredith had decorated his office for Christmas

937
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.920
with a red stocking, his name puffy and gold glitter.

938
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.320
On his desk. She placed a Charlie Brown Christmas tree

939
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:48.039
and next to it a coffee mug with an inscription

940
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:55.320
hashtag so invite me. He immediately texted back, hashtag heartstrings.

941
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.599
I'm sorry to think that these two don't know how

942
00:48:58.639 --> 00:48:59.599
hashtags work.

943
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:01.679
They just love hashtags.

944
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:06.079
Owen, who helped write this episode, leaves funny comments sometimes,

945
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:10.599
and his comment was, if I may editorialize here, having

946
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.840
a mug with a corny hashtag made for your extra

947
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:18.400
marital affair is such a specific type of weird and gross. Yeah,

948
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:19.159
because it is.

949
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:20.320
Yeah.

950
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:24.079
So Mark started envisioning a real future with Meredith, sharing

951
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.960
a bottle of wine, on the deck traveling together, waking

952
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.280
up next to each other. He'd come to terms with

953
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.800
the fact that he could no longer suppress his feelings.

954
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.519
He didn't want a life without her, but the thought

955
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.599
of telling Jannire the truth made him sick with dread.

956
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:40.079
He really did love his wife, but she was so

957
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:43.719
challenging at times, and he'd grown tired of their insular

958
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.800
life together. They'd made a lot of great memories, but

959
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.119
Mark was tired of being Jennyire's whole world and felt suffocated.

960
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.639
He claimed in their twenty eight years together, Jannaire had

961
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.639
never offered a kind word or shown faith in him

962
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.360
or his abilities. Meredith, on the other hand, and made

963
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.920
him feel seen, appreciated and supported. For the first time

964
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.400
in a long time, Mark felt built up instead of

965
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.920
broken down. Y'all are going to be mad at me,

966
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:12.840
but this is where we are going to stop for

967
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.559
part what outrageous I'm so sorry, Yeah, but come back

968
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.639
for part two. There's a lot to cover. It's going

969
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:20.880
to be a long episode, but we will tell the

970
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:22.400
rest of the story in part two.

971
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.679
Well, it's been interesting so far just to kind of

972
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.800
see the kind of the inner workings of their relationship

973
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.280
and how it evolved over the course of their marriage.

974
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.559
Yeah, do you think that Jennyer might have had some

975
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.599
psychological challenges?

976
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.239
I mean, yeah, maybe it sounds like Mark had some

977
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.800
of his issues of his own as well. Sounds like

978
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.800
they both had issues and the fact that he you know,

979
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:47.480
I know, marriages don't always last, and sometimes you know,

980
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.000
that's fine, you grow apart, you grow in different directions,

981
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.079
and you divorce. But it really bothers me when somebody

982
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:58.000
uses a new relationship as an excuse to like end a.

983
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.599
Marriage, right, so that it's funny. If there's one note

984
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.800
that people take away from our podcast, it's like, get divorced.

985
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:05.920
Yeah exactly.

986
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.920
I think we see this all the time. It's okay

987
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.599
to get divorced. We're not divorced. But it's if it works,

988
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.239
you know, if that's where your relationship is going, you

989
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.199
know it's okay to end.

990
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:16.079
It right for sure.

991
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.800
So what do you think of Mark and Jennyer's dynamic.

992
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.960
Well, it seems like, as we talked about, their kind

993
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:23.960
of opposites, and I think that can work in a

994
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.719
lot of cases. So it sounds like he was much

995
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.719
more kind of passive, laid back. She was maybe much

996
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:33.199
more aggressive, opinionated about things. I think that can work,

997
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:35.800
but I think it seems like he got resentful over time,

998
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.280
like he grew to dislike her over time and really

999
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.760
didn't He didn't confront her, didn't deal with the feelings

1000
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.360
he was having, and so those kind of probably snowballed

1001
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.840
over time and he kept it internal, and that led

1002
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:48.679
to the affair.

1003
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:50.960
I think when you're so young and you meet someone,

1004
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.920
you haven't formed your full personality.

1005
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:54.760
And that's true too.

1006
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:58.119
As you go through life, hopefully you gain confidence, and

1007
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.519
Mark gained and then yeah, he developed more of his

1008
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:06.480
own voice, and he resented being bossed around and being

1009
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:07.480
told what to do a lot.

1010
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.400
Yeah. I know, some people get married very young, or

1011
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:12.519
marry someone that they met in high school or whatever,

1012
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:14.559
and it works out fine, but it does seem like

1013
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.079
you have a lot of changing to still go through

1014
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.239
in your twenties and even you know.

1015
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.960
Even your thirties. You know, we're all hopefully growing and evolving,

1016
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.079
but hopefully you also become more aware of your partner's

1017
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.880
needs and not just your own needs. And I think

1018
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:33.440
in this case, maybe Jennair was not great at doing that. Yeah,

1019
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:37.079
that could be Mark's book A Reparable is available on

1020
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.000
Amazon Prime. Wait, Kindle Unlimited, that's what it's called, right, right, Yeah, yeah,

1021
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.280
so it is available there if you have that. I'm

1022
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.119
pretty much telling you exactly what the book says, but

1023
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.199
there is a little more insight into their relationship. I

1024
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.760
think he tried his best to be honest, but I

1025
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.559
believe he was hard on Jennaire, Like when he said

1026
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.280
she never gave him a compliment. I just I can't

1027
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:01.719
believe that.

1028
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.000
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he was probably trying to

1029
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:07.519
justify his behavior in the book, like his the affair

1030
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.679
that he had with Meredith, So he was probably trying

1031
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.679
maybe a little harder on her than he could have been.

1032
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.320
Yeah, I'm always afraid because I'm kind of joky and

1033
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.320
snirky with you on the podcast sometimes that people see

1034
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.360
me as like, oh, she never compliments him, or she's

1035
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:23.280
never nice to him.

1036
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.199
You compliment me a lot. You actually built You do

1037
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:28.599
a great job of building me up and supporting me,

1038
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.199
and I always appreciate that.

1039
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.440
It made me cheer up a little bit because I

1040
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:35.280
really do think that we have a very I think

1041
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.079
we're very supportive of each other and we're very fortunate

1042
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:39.800
in that way, And like when we were talking about

1043
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.480
how you know you grow together, I feel like I've

1044
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.519
definitely become a better partner because I don't think I

1045
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.320
was the best partner when I was twenty three and

1046
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.239
we first met, because who can be at twenty three?

1047
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.519
Yeah, for sure, I think we've both we've both grown

1048
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.039
and changed. But I think being supportive with each other

1049
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.400
and knowing that you're both going to grow and change,

1050
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.559
I think helps a lot in a marriage.

1051
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.800
Well, And honestly, it's it's easy because you are You

1052
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.119
are one of the best people I know, maybe the

1053
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.159
best person. Let me make a list, but you're right

1054
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:07.519
up there.

1055
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:08.719
Can make a spreadsheet.

1056
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:13.719
We can make a spreadsheet. What do you think our

1057
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:15.079
biggest difference is?

1058
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.360
I don't know. Maybe maybe it's your propensity for neatness

1059
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:23.039
and my not. No, no, I don't know.

1060
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:24.679
I'm not sure you're not sloppy.

1061
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:27.960
I don't know. What do you think our biggest difference is?

1062
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:28.840
I can't think well.

1063
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.119
As I said in the beginning, I identify with Jennaire

1064
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:34.280
in the way that I definitely used to be much

1065
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:38.440
more confrontational, and you are definitely more of a pacifist

1066
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:40.800
like you wouldn't take the bait like I would, you

1067
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:42.800
know in my younger years, you know, like start a

1068
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.760
fight with you and you just never took it. And

1069
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.239
I think throughout the years I realized that that was

1070
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:50.519
just a much healthier way to be. Not that we

1071
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.039
can't have conflict, but.

1072
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.760
Yeah, I think I've grown to be a little more

1073
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.079
willing to confront things that are bothering me or what

1074
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:01.239
I think. I used to be more of avoiding confrontation.

1075
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.400
Yeah, and then sometimes it would like bubble up and

1076
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:05.320
then it would become more of an argument where it

1077
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:06.280
could have been a discussion.

1078
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.239
Yeah, I'm still a little bit non confrontational.

1079
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.719
Listen to us, though we sounds so evolved, we're really

1080
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.079
not as evolved as we sound. Here. What are the

1081
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:14.320
things that we're most alike in?

1082
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:14.920
We both like?

1083
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:28.039
Good answer, That's exactly what I was looking for. All Right,

1084
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.320
Before we go, I have a little game to play

1085
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.360
with you called crime or Nah. I'm going to tell

1086
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.599
you three stories that actually happened, and you're going to

1087
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.480
tell me if there was any criminal behavior.

1088
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:40.719
There or not.

1089
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.079
Oh okay. Because I am studying to be a lawyer,

1090
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:43.559
I should be.

1091
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.679
Very good at this right right, okay. Number one the

1092
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.239
taco toss. A couple in Florida got into a heated

1093
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:55.719
argument over sour cream that sounds all too familiar, or

1094
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.440
rather the lack of it. On Taco Tuesday, a man

1095
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.920
allegedly threw a taco at is girlfriend's face, prompting her

1096
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.760
to call the police. According to the report, she was

1097
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:08.559
hit in the left eye with seasoned beef and lettuce.

1098
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:10.079
Oh, that could be very painful.

1099
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.920
There's no yet, they could be sharp. Officers noted taco

1100
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:18.440
remnants at the scene. Crime or not? Was it asault

1101
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:22.320
with a semisoft weapon or just dinner got wrong?

1102
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:26.360
That one, I think is pretty clearly a crime like that.

1103
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:29.039
It doesn't matter what you throw at someone. But if

1104
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.880
you throw something at someone that's gonna could potentially injure them,

1105
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.239
that's that's a salt.

1106
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:36.400
So all food fights are illegal, then, like you can't

1107
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:39.320
throw any food like mashed potatoes could.

1108
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:42.119
Be done in good fun without intent of injuring something.

1109
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.320
So if you're like at a wedding and you put

1110
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.599
cake in your spouse's space, is that illegal? I went

1111
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:48.440
to arrested for that.

1112
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:50.280
I went to a wedding once where that happened the

1113
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:51.639
bride walked.

1114
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.199
Out, which was that a wedding?

1115
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:54.960
I was answered, no, this is before we met. But

1116
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:56.840
it was really awkward, uncomfortable.

1117
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:58.519
Man Alms. He was trying to think what we did

1118
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.559
the other day, and I think we didn't because we

1119
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.880
were like, we're not going to do that because it's weird,

1120
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:08.480
civil it's very hackneyed. Everyone does it. Yes, do we

1121
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:11.960
put it in like Kevin's face, our best your best man?

1122
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:13.639
Or I think we put it in someone's face, but

1123
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:14.159
not ours.

1124
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:15.320
I don't remember.

1125
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.519
Four hundred and twelve years ago. We don't remember, all right. Well.

1126
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:23.000
Story number one, the taco toss is a crime. This

1127
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:26.159
really happened in Florida. The man was charged with domestic

1128
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.320
battery after throwing a taco at his girlfriend during an argument.

1129
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:33.119
Turns out even tacos can be weapons if thrown in anger.

1130
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:37.760
Do not weaponize your lunch. Story number two the emotional

1131
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:43.360
support alligator. In Pennsylvania, a woman brought her certified emotional

1132
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:47.639
support alligator named Wally to a local mall. She claimed

1133
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:50.320
he was friendly, loved hugs, who does a love to

1134
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:54.400
hug an alligator and helped her with anxiety. Shoppers however,

1135
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.880
were less than reassured. Mall security asked her to leave,

1136
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:02.639
Police recalled, and he became a minor social media celebrity.

1137
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:06.960
Overnight crime or not. Is it illegal to take a

1138
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.199
gator shopping or just wildly unadvised?

1139
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:14.639
I think it's both. Alligators to me are the most

1140
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:18.840
terrifying animal alive. Like when we were on vacation a

1141
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:19.519
couple of years.

1142
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:20.280
Ago North Carolina.

1143
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.119
Yeah, and we saw them and it.

1144
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:22.719
Was we did.

1145
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.320
It was really scary. But I have to think that

1146
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.000
would be illegal like that. That's terrify. If I was

1147
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.840
in a mall and I saw someone walking an alligator

1148
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.719
in the mall, I would call security for sure.

1149
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.000
I can't. I can't even picture that happening.

1150
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:37.760
I can't either.

1151
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:41.599
Story is completely real, but not a crime. Wally, the

1152
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.960
emotional support alligator does exist and lives in Pennsylvania with

1153
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.960
a woman who brings him to public places. The mall

1154
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:50.800
asked her to leave, but no laws were broken.

1155
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:51.440
Really.

1156
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:55.719
Wally is reportedly chill and has his own social media following.

1157
00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.360
I'm still not gonna hug him if I see him.

1158
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.760
Just the world we live in, I guess, so they can,

1159
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.360
like anything, be an emotional support animal. I will it's

1160
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:09.440
the most terrifying thing that you could see out an alligator,

1161
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:14.559
a tiger or I don't know.

1162
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.199
I'm more terrified of alligators than tigers.

1163
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:21.320
That's your biggest your ultimate fear is alligator.

1164
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:25.239
I mean probably, yeah. Yeah, So they got those giant

1165
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:26.239
jaws and they.

1166
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:27.679
Just stamp okay with crocodiles.

1167
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:29.840
Though, no, no, I don't like them. I put them

1168
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.159
in the same category. I know they're different, but all right.

1169
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:35.880
Story number three, the pizza delivery revenge plot. After a

1170
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.360
customer left a scathing one star review claiming her pizza

1171
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:43.519
was colder than her ex's heart, a delivery driver allegedly

1172
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:46.079
took up personally. Over the next two weeks, she was

1173
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:52.280
seved thirty seven anchoby only pizzas in two weeks, none

1174
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:56.159
of which she ordered. Investigators trace the prank to a

1175
00:59:56.199 --> 01:00:00.400
disgruntled driver through phone records and pizza box finger prints.

1176
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:01.360
This really happened?

1177
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:01.760
Really?

1178
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:06.199
Crime or n is revenge by pizza? Criminal harassment? Or

1179
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:08.280
just dedication to petty justice?

1180
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.119
Oh well, first of all, I would think it would

1181
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.039
be very hard to fingerprint a pizza box, but I'm

1182
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.360
not really an expert in finger printing technology.

1183
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:17.519
But I don't know, well, because your fingers might be greasy,

1184
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so that it would be like a greasy thing.

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Maybe, I guess so, I guess so. But I would

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not think that that would be a crime like someone.

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Probably, I mean, three thirty seven pizzas in two weeks,

1188
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that's a lot of pizza.

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Yeah, I guess that could be considered harassed.

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The math it was multiple a day, like it would be,

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you know, two or more pizzas to day.

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I mean, if this person happened to like anchovies, that

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would be like a gift, like showing up at your

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door multiple times a day.

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One percentage of the population like Sancho's pretty, it's pretty slim. Yeah, well,

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01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.679
this is a crime. And it also happened. Multiple Anchoby

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01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.360
pizza deliveries were made to a woman who hadn't ordered them,

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and police investigated it as a form of harassment. The

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driver faced charges of stalking and mischief. And let's just

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say Anchovii's we're never fully clear cleared of wrongdoing. Revenge

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is a dish best not delivered repeatedly.

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Yeah, it does seem a bit of an overreaction.

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It is crazy, like some of the laws that are

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on the books out there. Yeah, what do you want

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to do with the rest of our weekend? We're both

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going to work, aren't we work? Well? Thank you so

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much to Amy for recommending this case. Thank you so

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