Laci and Scott Peterson - Part 2

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Hi, I'm Rich and I'm Tina. And if there's one thing we've learned

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in over twenty years of marriage,
some days you'll feel like killing your husband,

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and some days you'll feel like killing
your wife. Welcome to love,

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Mary kill Hi Tina. Oh,
hey, Rich, are you feeling better?

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I feel so much better. That
was the loudest perfect I have ever

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heard from you. You have no
proof. I am only you have no

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I did not regret, as I
was not recording at the time, but

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I can. Hey, Merry Christmas, testify Merry Christmas, Mary, Chris,

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Ry Christmas listeners. Yeah, if
you're listening to this on Christmas Day,

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Merry Christmas or if you celebrate Christmas, Merry Christmas. If not,

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happy Holidays. That was Did you
like that song? That's my probably my

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favorite Christmas song. Well, I
wouldn't know because you didn't actually play it

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for me, you know it though
it's a great song. It is a

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great song. We were going to
attempt to make a Merry Christmas playlist for

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our listeners, and hopefully we'll still
get to it. It might not be

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until Christmas Day, but are we
not going to do that? Maybe we're

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just first love is music, and
I think it. Yeah, I think

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you would enjoy doing that. It
really would be for me and you.

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All right, let's do it then, all right, we're going to do

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it. All right, We're going
to really say how are our listeners going

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to find it? We'll tell them
on our social media? Gotcha? Okay?

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Cool? The Love Mary Kill Holiday
playlist. So we've had more Christmases

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together than a part at this point
in our life. Have we really?

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Wow? We definitely have. Definitely
have. You definitely have, but have

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I? Yeah, I'm older than
you, so I mean not like that,

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Mitchell. I think you have also
had more? Yes, you have?

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I can, I can. I
did the you did the fast math.

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I did fast math in my head. Yes. Cool, We've had

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a lot of nice Christmas we have. I think we do it. I

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love our Christmases together with our family. Yeah, pretty low key usually,

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but I we don't usually. Yeah, we haven't traveled in a long time.

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No, I just use the opportunity
to puzzle, sit around and do

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nothing for like a week. Think. Yeah, and it is nice because

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you do have the week off,
but this year probably gonna be doing a

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little podcasting on our on your week
off. Yeah, Yeah, it's okay.

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I love that. What are some
of your favorite things your traditions.

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Well, I love we always watch
It's a Wonderful Life, and as you

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know, that's like my favorite Christmas
movie, and mine is probably Elf,

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and we I love Elf too.
I love Elf, and I really I've

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come to really love Home Alone,
Home Alone. I do too, I

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do too. But It's a Wonderful
Life. Every year we watch it,

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and every year I cry, and
every year our daughter cries as well.

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I think we all just a little
bit. Yeah, yeah, because I

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have I have the Hallmark Christmas movie
station on the kitchen all the time,

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so I have I haven't watched any
Christmas movies really from start to finish.

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And well it's stay. Yeah,
we're officially running. Yeah, it's been

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it's been a little chaotic. Yeah. Do you have any other traditions that

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you are particularly fond of. Well, it's it's just hard being the mom.

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That's all I'm going to say,
is the mom hoping for a robe

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this year. I'm not a robe
where so no, I'm actually hoping.

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I don't get a robe. But
you you try, I know, you

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try your best. You've been super
busy and really at this point of my

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life, I wish we could give
people the gift of time. Yeah,

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I wish you could give me here
is a gift of two hours where you

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can lay around and read a book
and take a bath or you know,

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things like that. I think that's
what people when you get older, that's

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really what you want. Or like, you know, I'm going to gift

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you a and you can like a
nice dinner with our family where you know,

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we just have nice, a nice
time together. You know, I

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think those are the things that matter
the most. Yeah. Sure, I

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thought. Wait, I was gonna
say just one word, like cheesy,

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mom, is just this year,
as you're sitting around with your family and

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you're looking at your family, just
try to remember and think to yourself,

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these are the good old days.
Yeah, because you know, hopefully this

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year you're with your loved ones and
they might not be here next year,

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and you know, just try to
really soak it up. Soak it all

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up. That's what I try to
do sometimes, is just enjoy the time

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that you have together. Yeah.
Absolutely, things might not be perfect,

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but you know we're doing all right. Yep, for sure, Well I

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brought you some fuss. Sure for
sure, we say that a lot.

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Do you brought me some fudge?
I did, Well, you made one

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of these and I made one of
these. But yeah, there's two kinds

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of fudge. One is your nutella
sea salt fudge, right yeah, and

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then the other is peanut butter fudge. It's too and all I've had is

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cookies, so it's a perfect day. Well, here's some more for you.

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The peanut butter fudge is I use
the Brown Eyed Baker recipe, which

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I think there's a lot of recipes
that are very similar, but it's very

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simple. Peanut butter powdered. Yeah, I will put it. Will post

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these recipes. I'm going to post
them early because it's Christmas Day when this

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is releasing, so if anyone is
looking for a recipe. The nutella sea

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salt fudge is so easy and it's
really creamy. Something else. Some fudge

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can be a little it's not maybe
the best chocolate. I think I could

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have used better chocolate chips. It's
just nutella chocolate chips and sweet and condensed

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milk with a little bit of sea
salt on top. And it's it's good.

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It's creamy. Let's take a quick
break have a little sample that was

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delicious. We always say that,
but it always is not always. Yeah,

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you always have the chicken, the
chicken what was it chicken laise or

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something. Those are gross, Oh, those were gross. But the peanut

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butter fudge is like my favorite.
I love that, the new telefudge.

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It's just so smooth and creamy.
Great. If you're from Michigan you know

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this. But Michigan is kind of
known for its fudge. That's true,

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seriously, Like I'm not sure how
that happened, but like Mackina Island and

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just anytime you go on a up
vacation up north, there's fudge, fudge

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and pasties. Okay, I think
we've surpassed our or five minutes that we

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told people were trying not going to
talk for more than five minutes, and

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we've already all right, well we
should talk about Scott and Lacy Peterson.

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You know, I've been having nightmares. I'm not exaggerating, No, I've

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been having nightmares and I'm having trouble
sleeping. So I'm really excited to say

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goodbye to this case. Yeah,
this is one that has gotten I know,

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in your head, especially a little
bit in mine, but not I

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think not quite as much as you
well, and I think we haven't really

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everyone knows what we're gonna end up
saying, you know, how we feel

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about the case at the end,
but my opinions definitely have changed a little.

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Yeah, I'm just going to say
that. We'll talk more about that.

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So we left off basically on December
twenty fourth of twenty two, thousand

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and two, when Lacey was reported
as being missing, and we talked about

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kind of Scott's day, what he
claimed, you know, when he left

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the house and going fishing on the
bay and all that type of thing.

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I'm going to cover a little bit
more of the initial search and I'll touch

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on some of the things, same
things that we've talked about so far,

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but we'll kind of go from there. So we did talk about when the

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police first showed up and Scott volunteered
right away, the time stamped receipt from

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the marina at twelve fifty four.
A couple of other things I wanted to

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say about that too, is they
asked him some questions about his fishing trip

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initially. Yeah, I was going
to mention that too, Yeah, like

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what did you go fishing for?
What did you use for bait. Where

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did you keep your fishing gear?
And he his answers were very awkward,

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like he didn't know what he was
fishing for at first, and then he

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kind of, oh, well,
I was fishing for this. And when

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he had like fresh water lures,
his fishing pole wasn't put together. I

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mean there was the lures weren't taken
out of the package. Well he had

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left him that he forgot them in
the truck. But yeah, yeah,

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So there was a lot of things
like that that were a little bit They

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felt that we're a little bit off. When you wanted to mention the fishing

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license, I don't think I mentioned
that, or I didn't write. So

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the fishing license they had was purchased
on the twentieth, twentieth, right,

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and it was only good for the
twenty third and the twenty fourth. So

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yet another thing that he had to
have bought this fishing license four days earlier

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and he could only use it on
those two days. Well, again,

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I'm not I'm going to be the
scout apologist. You can be the devil's

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advocate for right exactly. I don't
think that's that weird. In my opinion,

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it was weird that he canceled golf
and he said it was too cold.

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But he knew the work was going
to be slow. It's you know,

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Christmas Eve and the day. You
know, things kind of come to

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a screeching halt when you're working around
the Christmas holidays, right because you usually,

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like you know, end up taking
off more time. And you know,

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he knew that work would be slow
so he would be able to get

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his boat in the water. He
had just bought this boat. He wanted

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to get it in the water.
So to me, that wasn't that big

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of a flag. Yeah, I
mean I can see that. I still

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think it's pretty suspicious that you bought
this fishing license for two days only and

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then, you know, like you
said, he initially was going to go

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golfing and then kind of changed his
mind. But he had already planned in

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advance to go fishing or have the
license at least the boat. We didn't

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talk about this before, but the
boat was It was an inexpensive boat,

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but it wasn't like a cheap boat. It had like a fish finder on

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it, and you know, for
the someone said it was actually a really

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good deal on this boat. My
point is, if Scott wanted to buy

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a boat just to get rid of
Lacey's body. He could have bought a

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cheaper boat. True, good point. So on Christmas morning. The next

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day, detectives continued combing the neighborhood. They knocked on doors, They talked

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to neighbors. Amy Crigbaond, who
lived across the street. At five point

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twenty Covina said that she hadn't seen
Lacey walking in some time, assume because

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of how pregnant she was. She
also said that Lacey's usual routine was to

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raise the front window shades in the
morning and lower them again in the evening.

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I'm laughing, No, I'm just
laughing because we talked about this last

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time. We didn't collate our scripts
at all, and my four sentences are

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almost exactly what you just said.
Lacey hadn't gone walking in a while.

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The lines were drawn on Christmas Eve
and yeah, and she noticed that the

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yeah, the blinds had not been
right again. You know, we just

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want to try to cover all bases. It was cloudy and rainy, and

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there really wasn't a reason to raise
the blinds. Yeah. That afternoon,

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Scott was scheduled to come in and
take a polygraph but he called the detectives

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and said that he had changed his
mind on advice from his father Lee.

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Later that afternoon, Scott called detectives
and asked for a progress report, and

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he also asked whether they had used
kidaver dogs yet, which surprised the detectives.

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Over the next few days, the
police conducted a number of searches,

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including grid searches by air, bloodhound
searches on the ground, and more searches

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of the Peterson home, Scott's office, and the boat. We didn't talk

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much about the Peterson's neighborhood, but
it was the East Loma Park. There's

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a lot of parks surrounding it.
Yeah, so there was a lot of

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searches of parks, right. And
I wanted to mention too that the police

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did confirm with neighbors that Scott did
come over and knock on their door and

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say, Hey, Lacy's missing.
Have you seen her? Yes. Allegedly

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he did say to one of the
neighbors, Hey, I've been out golfing

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all day, that's right, Yeah, which is definitely a little suspicious.

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Yeah, exactly like he was going
to use that as an alibi, and

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then changed his mind when he knew
that people knew he was at the marina.

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I'm not sure why he would have
done that though, because he knew

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people saw him at the marina,
right. I mean, that's another question

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that I have. I don't want
to get too far off track. But

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if he did some lazy's body in
the bay, why did he tell them

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exactly where he was? Yeah?
And why did police release that information?

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But that's another story. Yeah,
it's a good question. Lacey's family and

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friends set up a command center for
her search at the Red Lion Hotel.

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They printed thousands of flyers with Lacey's
photo and reward information. One little anecdote

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that came out later is the there
was a family friend. His name was

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Harvey Kempele, and he testified that
he had followed Scott from the command center

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at the Red Lion Hotel to a
local mall where Scott had said that he

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was going to hang the flyers.
I don't know why he followed him.

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I think he may have been suspicious
about Scott. But he saw Scott just

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sit idly in his car for about
an hour, never hung a single poster

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up, and then just turned around. And another time he said he followed

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Scott from the command center where he
was going to hang flyers and he went

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and played golf. Yikes. Yeah, just you know, another couple of

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things like Scott's behavior being a little
bit off the movie Gone Girl. I

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don't know what year that was released, Like the book. We both read

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the book and then the movie was
released, And whenever I think of this

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time in the case with the Red
Lion Hotel, I just pictured bed asfuck,

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just walking around and like you know, being social and eating ribs and

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just you know, his behavior definitely
was more laid back than it should have

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been. Yeah, that book Gone
Girl had to be partly based on this

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kill, for sure. Definitely.
The police received tips from a few people

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who claim to have seen a pregnant
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the twenty fourth wearing wearing I don't
know, oh, you don't know,

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black like leggings and a white like
a white lung snatching what Scott said,

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white laying white sneakers. Yeah,
And there were quite a few people that

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came forward at various times throughout this
whole process, which I think casts a

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lot of doubt a lot for a
lot of people. We haven't talked about

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the documentary yet, but that documentary
they allegeda believe that there was two dozen

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people that saw Lacy Yeah. While
the police were at the Peterson's home on

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the twenty sixth, the neighbors across
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after being away for a couple of
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broken into. They came over and
reported it to the police, who went

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over to take a look. They
could see that the entry had been made

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on the side of the house.
Someone had kicked in their French doors.

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The Medinas reported that a personal safe, which had been in the primary bedroom,

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was missing, along with some power
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a woman named Diane Jackson came forward
saying she witnessed the burglary. She

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said she was driving along Covina Avenue
at eleven forty a m. On the

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twenty fourth and saw three short of
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guys standing in the Medina's front yard
near a van. She first said it

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was a white van, but then
she said it might have been a darker

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color. So the burglary has become
one of those nuggets in this case that

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we just can't decipher, and it's
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the family was gone from They left

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their house at around ten thirty on
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at four to twenty pm on the
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happened sometime during that timeframe. They
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two guys. There may have been
more involved, but we know that they

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rested Stephen Todd and Donald Glenn Pearce
on January tewod so that was pretty quick,

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pretty quick. Yeah, they claimed
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know that we know that the Medinas
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kind of changed their story. They
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the twenty sixth, and they said
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case because there were news crews out
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cruise. I've read that they didn't get

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out there until like five am,
and it was really the first that day

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was only Ted Rowlands would have been
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yea, and I have seen I
believe it might be the first live feed

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from Ted and it's definitely darkish,
but not dark. So I do think

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it's plausible that it was the twenty
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I did think it was on the
twenty fourth. Yeah, but it does

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make more sense that it's the twenty
seven. But there is an eyewitness.

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There's an eyewitness, But those guys
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and they apparently passed them. But
I also think like that eyewitness, so

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if it was after eleven o'clock or
eleven thirty on the twenty fourth, was

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already missing. Yeah, yeah,
And if you're a burglar, it just

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doesn't make sense that you're going to
do that in broad daylight. So I

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feel like that witness must be mistaken
somehow possibly, But Lazy also had the

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personality I believe where she would have
intervened if she saw something amiss. I

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think she could have walked over and
be like, hey, you guys,

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what are you doing? The Medinas
are on, they're away you know,

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you shouldn't be here, so I
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for a long time I did think
it was more possible than I do now.

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Yeah, I think I think you're
right about that. But the timeline

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just doesn't work. That's the biggest
problem I think with it. Is it

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just unless they unless they got there, you know, exactly when the Medina's

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left, and you know, again
it could be possible they're casing the joint,

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you know, just like on home
alone. They probably had a stack

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of pizzas delivered the night before.
And yeah, so it's it's plausible,

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but probably not likely. Yeah,
and your least your worst evidence is an

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eyewitness. Is that true. I
think that's probably true, especially in a

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case like this that has so much
attention. You know, people are just

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people, and I'm not saying that
people were intentionally lying, but I think

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you see this on the news over
and over. Yeah, somebody, sure,

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Yeah, it's just you think you're
being a helpful citizen. You think

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you're going to move the case along. You If our neighbor went missing,

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our pregnant neighbor went missing, I
would be devastated and I would I would

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definitely be searching my memory bang for
any little granular bit of evidence that I

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could pass along to the police.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So I

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was going to talk a little bit
about some of the searches that were done

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with dogs. Now, So there
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The first search they did was from
the Peterson's home and they had a

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scent dog. They you know,
gave gave the dog some items of Lacey's.

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The dog followed her scent right down
the middle of Covina Avenue, which

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the handler said that that was an
indication that Lacey left in a vehicle,

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not on foot, although again this
is all you know, this is all

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speculation, right because she could have
walked the middle of the street. We

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don't know. Well, you and
I have talked about this, so I'm

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going to let you finish and then
we can I'll give you my opinion for

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what it's worth. Sure, So
the dog followed the trail west and then

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south before the dog lost the scent. They then took the dog to the

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parking lot of Scott's office and the
handler walked the dog around the parking lot

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to try to pick up the scent. When they got near Scott's office.

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The dog's tail immediately went up,
indicating that he had picked up Lacey's scent.

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The dog followed the scent south on
Emerald Avenue, then westbound on Highway

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one thirty two, which is the
way that one would drive from Scott's office

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to the marina, before losing the
scent again. And then lastly, the

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police took the search dogs to the
Berkeley Marina, and while it wasn't conclusive,

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the handler was of the opinion that
the dog picked up Lacey's scent in

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the parking lot and then let it
down the boat ramp. So I did

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just a little bit of research on
sniffer dogs or sent dogs or there's a

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difference between sniffer dog and a cadaver
dog, I believe. But so a

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handler said that it's really not possible
for a dog to be able to determine

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that Lacy went off in a vehicle. That's just not They would they would

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lose the sense. Yeah, it
does seem very it would be pretty amazing.

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But well, and dogs are amazing, I mean, and they do

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have you know, they can pick
up sense really well. So all all

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handlers of sniffer dogs are volunteers,
right, you can't pay someone to do

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it because then you know your your
motives might be off. Yeah, and

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the whole you know, confirmation bias, I think comes into play there.

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Sure. So I think that a
dog, like if you if the dog

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has a task, like you know, hey, Fido, we want you

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to find this cocaine and there's you
know, like, I think that that

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is a great use of a of
a dog, or if it's a cadaver

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dog, and the cadaver dog can
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But in this case, when you're
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I feel like that's a little more
subjective. It is, And to your

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point, none of the dog tracking
evidence was allowed at trial except for the

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search at the Berkeley Marina itself,
and the judge did allow that evidence,

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but he did say that it was
if he at best. So you're right,

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it's not a it's not an exact
science, and it's kind of like,

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you know, you've got the handler
and the dog, and that relationship

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is a very tight relationship. The
only person that can interpret the dog's behavior

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is the handler. Yeah, And
so again, confirmation bias just plays into

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this, and like we were saying
with the neighbors, people really wanted to

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find lazy, and I think sometimes
your motivations are in the right place.

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But yeah, I think that,
you know, the sniffer dogs sometimes aren't

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as reliable as we want them to
be. And sometimes they're a nightmare.

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I heard a police officer talking about
and just said, they're a nightmare to

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work with because you know, it's
a dog, but it's a working dog,

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and working dogs can be They're serious, they take their job seriously and

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they you know, I say,
they were like Prima Donna's that they you

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know, and they have like a
fancy dressing room and stuff like that.

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No. I mean, dogs are
great though, but like I said,

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if they have like a very distinct
purpose, like find this, not just

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oh tell us if you the scent
was here, you know, there's there's

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some gray area, I think,
and I don't know if we're going to

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talk about this, but some of
that I don't remember the name of the

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dog, but the dog, one
of the dogs that was used heavily had

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failed her certification. Oh multiple times. Oh, I didn't know about that.

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Yeah, it's interesting, all right, So we'll take take the dog

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evidence for what it's worth. We
love dogs. Dogs are great. We

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don't get the wrong idea. The
other thing I was going to talk about

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is the tarp in Scott's truck.
Yeah. So, on the twenty sixth,

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the police impounded Scott's truck, and
when they examined it late that evening,

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they noticed that the tan tarp which
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patio and umbrellas, the bag with
the fishing lures, and a few other

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items were no longer there that had
been there when they first looked at the

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truck on the twenty fourth. They
later located the umbrellas in Scott's backyard and

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the tan canvas tarp was in a
shed at Scott's house with a leaky leaf

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blower on top of him. I
was like, how did how and why

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did they get there so quickly?
No, it makes no sense. The

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tark was soaked with gasoline, which
made it and the shed almost useless.

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From an evidentiary stand, I think
he made it look like the leaf blower

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had been leaking, and he just
put the leaf flower on top. But

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they said the leaflower really wasn't leaking, so he must have doused the boat

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cover with gasoline to throw off the
scent dog. Yeah, and again this

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was like going back to our conversation
in part one about Scott was he took

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care of his things. He was
pretty meticulous and he you know, he

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wasn't careless with the things they owned. And that boat cover is not cheap,

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like this is a nice, you
know, canvas boat cover. So

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there's just it just boggles the mind
how that would it would end up soaked

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in gasoline. I had another question
about scent dogs too, So I know

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that scent dog was given some of
late Lacey's possessions. I believe a hair

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brush, a slipper, sunglasses,
one of Scott's slippers I would think was

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given to Yes, I can't,
I can't remember exactly what was given.

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But so if if they're Lacey's sunglasses, first of all, I'm just curious

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how much scent right adher's sunglasses.
Yeah, I thought that was kind of

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an odd idea. But if Scott
is you know, Scott's in the house

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too, does anything that lazy don't
have his scent just automatically in it,

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you would think so. I mean, obviously, if it's a slipper,

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it must have a lot of her
scent in it. Right, he's handing

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over the sunglasses. So I'm just
curious about that, you know, like,

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if that's the items that they were
going off of, you know,

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how do you know that Scott's scent
wasn't on that? Right? Yep.

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The last thing I was going to
mention about the searches and this this phase

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of the investigation is they also searched
Scott's shop again on the twenty sixth,

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which is when they found a pair
of needle noosed plyers beneath the bench seat

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in the boat which had a single
hair in them, which turned out to

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be Lacey's hair. I know We've
had some discussion, Yeah, had some

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demain. My understanding is the flyers
were rusted shut and the hair must have

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been there for some time. Just
read something last night about how the plyers

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were placed in an evidence bag and
then there were two hairs and everyone's like,

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how did two hairs get there?
Yeah? I read the testimony from

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the expert on this. So they
did say that the pliers were very rusty

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to the point where it was difficult
to open them. But the thing is,

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the person that did the examination examined
them on February twenty fourth. So

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this was like they sat in a
bag, right, They had been sitting

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in seawater in the boat, and
then they were sat in a bag for

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almost two months and then the person
looked at them. So the pliers were

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definitely rusty. They were hard to
get open, but we don't know if

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that rust got worse over the course
of those two months or not. And

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the hares being cut in half,
they think it just probably happened, you

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know, while it was sitting in
the evidence. No other forensic evidence was

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found in the boat. No,
okay, I just wanted to confirm that,

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and that is by forensic event.
You mean there was no DNA but

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exactly we have one hair. Yeah. The only other thing I read about

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that was found was some concrete.
So there's the whole thing with the concrete

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anchors, right, Scott, We're
going to get into that. Yeah,

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yeah, we can talk about that
later. But that's not forensic evidence,

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you're right. So we're still on
Christmas. In the couple of days after.

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Scott is refusing any interviews at this
point, but he was interviewed again

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by the police for several hours and
they noted a lot of inconsistencies. But

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if your story is spot on every
time you tell it, that's also suspicious.

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So it's very tricky. You mentioned
this, But search warns were issued

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for Scott's warehouse, boat, truck, and home. I believe it was

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the twenty seventh when they had done
our cursory search on Christmas Eve and they

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took a lot of photos. But
they have electricity right at the shop.

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We didn't mention that. Yeah,
let me just talk about the house real

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quick, but they did, do
you know, they took a lot of

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photos, but they didn't do like
a thorough search. But on the twenty

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seventh they rolled up their sleeves and
we are going to get in here and

407
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:36.480
we are going to find some forensic
evidence. And they didn't. But yeah,

408
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:38.160
do you want to talk about Yeah, So they went to his shop

409
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.279
on the twenty fourth in that evening
and they got there and Scott said,

410
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.960
well, there's no electricity, so
you have to use your flashlights or whatever,

411
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:49.960
and so they basically they rolled up
the door to the warehouse part of

412
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:55.079
the shop and shined their headlights in
and they used their flashlights and they never

413
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:57.319
really thought to try a light switch
or anything like that, and when they

414
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:02.640
came back a couple days later with
search war they found that there was there

415
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:06.119
was light and it worked fine.
So that was a little bit weird,

416
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:10.319
but it was weird. Yeah,
But I think he was just really belligerent

417
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:14.160
and it was just pissed because I
think they were treating him like a suspect

418
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.720
and he was mad, but they
had every reason to treat him like a

419
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:23.279
suspect. The house so two small
spots of blood they thought they had it

420
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:26.200
found. I think it was on
a door door frame. They're like,

421
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.160
oh, I think that's blood.
It wasn't. Four computers and laptops were

422
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:37.720
taken. One was used solely for
Scott's porn bookmarks. Some of the things

423
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:44.680
he had bookmarked were beast reality and
bondage websites. Some disturbing videos included one

424
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.000
called raping the Teacher and Lazy he
was a teachacher and the other one was

425
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:55.400
the wife Confesses. And it wasn't
for a while. I think some people

426
00:28:55.480 --> 00:29:00.920
reported like on Christmas Day Scott upgraded
his porn package. That actually wasn't for

427
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.839
a couple of weeks. Yeah.
Anne Bird, Scott's sister, actually wrote

428
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.559
about that. It was actually the
day of Anne's sons christening, which was

429
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.279
January third. Scott came to the
christening and then he called his cable provider

430
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.119
shortly after that, so it was
okay, it was sooner than I thought.

431
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.359
Yeah, it was about a little
over a week after. Well then

432
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.319
I'm not sure what that first upgrade
might have been, but that might have

433
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.480
been like the Playboy channel. But
then he did call back and another more

434
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.400
time passes a week or two,
and he upgraded to like the really hardcore

435
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:36.079
stuff. I mean, I don't
Yeah, yeah, we didn't talk much

436
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:41.960
about Scott's office slash warehouse. He
spent a lot of time there and I

437
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.400
believe he was the only one with
a key, and so part of it

438
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:51.359
was an office and part of it
was a warehouse, right, And he

439
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:52.799
had you know, like his computer
and stuff set up, and the other

440
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.759
part he just had a lot of
bags of fertilized. It was very cluttered,

441
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.680
right, it was very cluttered,
and it was tight and well,

442
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.519
Lacey, and this is what we
were going to talk about with like did

443
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:10.599
Lacey know about the boat? Right? And a woman who worked at an

444
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:15.160
adjacent warehouse said, and she wasn't
sure about the date for some reason.

445
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.240
She said it was either the twentieth
or the twenty third, which those were

446
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.079
kind of a little bit before.
Yeah, that Lacey had asked to use

447
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:27.680
the restroom and her warehouse because there
was too many palletts stacked up in front

448
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:33.039
of the restroom, right, and
Scott's warehouse. So the woman had seen

449
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.920
Lacey, and at that point Scott
had the boat, right, So that's

450
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.559
why I think that Lacey knew about
the boat. Also, Scott paid for

451
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.480
the boat out of with a check, and so Lacey would have known about

452
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.359
it. That's a good point in
that. But just keep in mind the

453
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.200
warehouse there were two separate rooms,
right, and there were each room had

454
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.079
its own entrance. So there was
his office, which had a door into

455
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.559
the office, and then there was
the bigger warehouse, which had like a

456
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.480
garage door type of thing. So
we don't know if Lacey just went into

457
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.640
his office to see closed I didn't
know it was closed off. Yeah it

458
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.920
is. Yeah, I still think
that she's I mean, I think that

459
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.039
she still would have seen it.
It's possible that she didn't. He wouldn't

460
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.240
have been trying to hide it.
I don't think. Yeah, we don't

461
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:21.519
know investigators found what they thought were
four circular impressions where cement had been poured.

462
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.680
I believe it was on the trailer
that the boat was on right,

463
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:33.759
and Scott claimed only have one anchor. Right. The anchor was like a

464
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.119
he poured concrete into a bucket.
I think it was a home depot bucket.

465
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.519
I'm not sure it was just a
Yeah, it was a bucket and

466
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.720
it had like a piece of metal
sticking out of it where you could tie

467
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.000
a rope to or whatever. And
he yeah, you're right, he said

468
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.880
he made only one anchor, but
police said they it felt like there were

469
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:55.279
impressions for four or five, which
is pretty weak evidence. Yeah, it

470
00:31:55.400 --> 00:32:00.000
is, but it comes back later. He could have bought an ankor,

471
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.200
Like I think an anchor is thirty
dollars. You know what at that time

472
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.559
for his the boat that he needed. The person that sold him the boat

473
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:08.880
for some reason was like, oh, I'm going to keep the anchor.

474
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.480
Yeah, So Scott was like,
oh, you know, it's just a

475
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.319
lot cheaper to buy a bag of
cement or two than to buy an anchor,

476
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:20.759
which to me that seems like not
that great of a money. But

477
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.880
I think give us something a lot
of people do. Yeah, but I

478
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.000
heard that it is harder to do. Scott claimed that he had to make

479
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.359
multiple anchors mixing cement. I was
some I have never mixed cement. Well,

480
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.599
actually I have because we've made you
like footprints or something for Father's Day.

481
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.519
But is it hard to mix cement? No, no, it's not.

482
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.759
It's just like fifty to fifty.
Yeah, okay. Well, allegedly

483
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.039
he claimed that he had to throw
a couple away and there was the whole

484
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.759
issue with the cement leftover cement,
and then he yeah, he said he

485
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.480
had left over cement and he poured
it by the side of his driveway,

486
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.279
and a lot of people point to
that, saying, see, he only

487
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:01.319
made one anchor and then he used
the rest of it. And that's what

488
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.960
I I for years, that's what
I thought. Yes, but there was

489
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.599
an expert that testified at the trial
that it was not the same type of

490
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:14.960
concrete as was used to make the
anchor. Yes, So I mean,

491
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:16.799
you know, where did the other
anchors go? And we'll talk about it

492
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:21.799
more in a little bit, because
I do. I did not. I

493
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.279
thought that there was one anchor,
but now I think that there were more

494
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:28.920
anchors. Yes. And one other
thing about this is on the inside of

495
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.119
the boat, there's like the what's
called the rib lines, which is basically

496
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.240
like along the side of the boat. There's a little a little part of

497
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.880
the boat that kind of sticks out
like a little ridge. And investigators saw

498
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:44.839
cement particles along those rib lines of
the boat. And the only thing they

499
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:49.200
could think of is why would that
be there unless, like if those anchors

500
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.680
were attached to Lacy's body and he
pushed her body over the edge, those

501
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:57.160
anchors would have like scraped up against
the rib lines, and that would explain

502
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.119
why they were there. True,
we are going to take a break and

503
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:09.760
we will be right back. One
other thing I wanted to mention about the

504
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:15.239
search is that a sexual assault counselor
came forward and said that she had counseled

505
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:22.599
a confidential victim of sexual assault two
weeks prior to Lacey's disappearance. The person

506
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.039
said that she had been lured into
a brown van by her ex girlfriend,

507
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.119
and while in the van, two
men and two women raped her and a

508
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:35.440
satanic ritual was conducted. The victim
said that the group was living at the

509
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:39.519
Woodward Reservoir. She also said that
the group mentioned a Christmas Day death and

510
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:44.639
that she would read about it in
the papers. So news broke about this

511
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.599
story and it became a big deal
because again people love a people satanic stuff.

512
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.880
Yeah, and Mark Garrigos, who
was Scott's attorney by this point,

513
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.440
he offered a reward trying to get
to the van before the police did,

514
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.519
because he felt like the police wouldn't
do their job and find the evidence.

515
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.079
The police ultimately did locate the van, They interviewed the four occupants, they

516
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.880
searched the van. They felt like
there was nothing of significance in the van

517
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.599
that they found, and then eventually
they got rid of They had the van

518
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:16.800
for a while and they decided to
get rid of it. It wasn't worth

519
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:22.639
anything. Mark Garrigos bought the van
from the police, but we don't know

520
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.280
what happened to it after that.
He never introduced anything about it at the

521
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.000
trial or anything, So I think
it was kind of a red herring.

522
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:31.920
But again it was part of the
story. It was a big, big

523
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.039
news at the time. Mark Garraghos, there's there. We'll talk about him

524
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.880
more with their Yeah, that's that's
an interesting man. Did you come across

525
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:45.159
Evelyn Hernandez and your research don't recall
that name, Okay, on the morning

526
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:51.320
of May first, two thousand and
two, So this is six six months

527
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.079
before. Yeah, yeah, twenty
four year old single mom, Evelyn Hernandez,

528
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:59.719
nine months pregnant with her second child. She has a five year old

529
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:04.800
son, and she went missing very
similar and she was found and then San

530
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:09.639
Francisco Bay. So a lot of
people pointed to Evelyn's disappearance. She was

531
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:15.800
likely murdered by her the man she
was having an affair with, Hermann Aguilar,

532
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.840
who was a thirty six year old
part time limo driver and United Airlines

533
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:28.000
Mechanicay. Evelyn's five year old son
also went missing and her partial remains were

534
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.920
found in the bay, but little
Alex was never found and no one has

535
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.320
ever been convicted of any crime.
Wow, that's super sad. I am

536
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.400
curious about this case, and it
just goes to show you, like,

537
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.039
is Evelyn's life worth less than Lacy
Peterson's life? No, Yeah, we've

538
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:46.960
never heard about that story, And
yeah, I would kind of like to

539
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.079
dive into that one a little,
a little deeper. But it's heartbreaking how

540
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:53.159
some you know, we talk about
this all the time. How some cases

541
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:58.119
get so much coverage and others don't. Yeah, but it's also amazing in

542
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.320
this case, just how many things
there are, how many stories came out

543
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.039
that are like, is it related? Is it not related? That you

544
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.000
know, the satanic thing, all
the people who say that they saw her.

545
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:12.119
It's just it's so complicated when you
have all these things coming into play.

546
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.960
There were other pregnant women that also
went missing in that area, and

547
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.199
there was another there was a pregnant
woman that lived in the neighborhood that had

548
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:24.320
a Golden Retriever named Mackenzie. She
had her baby I think in October,

549
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.440
so she wasn't pregnant anymore by that
time. But just the fact that there

550
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.599
was another woman in the neighborhood who
looked a lot, likely with a golden

551
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.760
retriever of the same name. Yeah. Yeah. Homicide is the leading cause

552
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:42.920
of death for pregnant women, and
it's usually due to their partners or husbands.

553
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:47.000
Yeah, it's shocking, but I
guess not surprising. That brings us

554
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.239
to December thirtieth, which I'm going
to call Amber Friday. Amberfry called the

555
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:59.159
Lacy Peterson tip Line on December thirtieth. After talking, she was telling one

556
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.440
of her friends about She's like,
I met this guy. He's great,

557
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.639
and her friend was like, oh, let's google him, and then they

558
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.199
found they found Scott Peterson, and
Amber was really confused. She was like,

559
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.800
is that mice Scott Peterson? And
so she called the tip line and

560
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.400
she was like trying to She was
like, what is Scott's birth date?

561
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:21.719
And they told her and then she
was like, oh god, oh jeez.

562
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.360
They'd been seeing each other for just
too over a month. Their first

563
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.599
date was November twentieth, two thousand
and two. Scott initially told Amber that

564
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.239
he was single and he'd never been
married, like, I've never even come

565
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.679
close to being married, Amber,
but when he arrived at her house on

566
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.920
December ninth for a date, he
admitted he lied to her after remember her

567
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.840
friend Sean, who introduced them.
Sean put pressure on him, and Scott

568
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:52.280
told Amber he'd had a wife but
he'd lost her and he was sad because

569
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.239
this would be his first Christmas without
her. And Amber was like, oh

570
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.239
my gosh, Scott, I can
understand why you wouldn't have told me that.

571
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.639
It's just so traumatic. So she
she forgave him, police high tailed

572
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.280
it to Madera to meet with Amber
once they you know, actually, l

573
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:15.559
Brokini tells the story like he was
actually standing behind the person that was talking

574
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.440
to Amber and he saw like the
notes she was taking. He was like,

575
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.880
uh, bev, give me the
phone, let me talk to her.

576
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.159
He was very excited because they kept
saying, like Scott is he doesn't

577
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.960
have a pimple, He's never had
a speeding ticket, you know, he's

578
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.519
so they were really excited to find
out about it. I mean, and

579
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:38.159
you know, to el Brokini's defense, I don't think he comes off swimmingly

580
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:42.719
in this whole thing. Did you
have an impression of him same? I

581
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.039
mean, I think he was a
good cop, but I think he'd made

582
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.480
some mistakes. He was a little
maybe rush to judgment a little bit.

583
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.440
Yeah. I mean I'm not saying
he's wrong, but I think that,

584
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.679
yeah, he definitely could have maybe
explored some other avenues. But anyway,

585
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.960
so he was very excited. He
went to meet with Amber and Sean was

586
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.840
there too. Amber was twenty seven
at the time, same age as Lacey.

587
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.800
She was tall and pretty with blonde
hair, and she pulled out a

588
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:15.679
picture of her and Scott informal wear
from the December fourteenth Christmas party that they

589
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.239
had attended together. And you've probably
seen the picture. She's sitting on his

590
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:25.159
lap and he has the biggest,
slimiest grin on his face. The picture

591
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:30.519
was probably taken at the same time
where Lacey attended the Christmas party by herself,

592
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.639
and we talked about this, But
you've seen the picture of Lacey.

593
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:39.199
She just looked so so sweet in
her shiny red material maternity pantsuit, smiling

594
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.599
broadly with her hands folded protectively on
her belly. She had also saved some

595
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.920
Amber had saved, like the wine
corks from the bottles of wine that Scott

596
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.400
had brought her, and she sharpened
them with their consumption date. Although they

597
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:59.679
hadn't seen each other. On Christmas, Scott sent Amber a planetarium that projected

598
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.599
image of stars onto the ceiling.
Amber told detectives about their first date.

599
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:09.199
Scott had pulled out all of the
stops to impress Amber. They met and

600
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:12.960
they were just going to have drinks
and then he was like, hey,

601
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.360
will you would you just I'm gross, I've been traveling all day. Let's

602
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.880
just go up to my hotel room
real quick and I can take a shower,

603
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.480
I'll feel more comfortable. And she
was like whookie. And he had

604
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:31.920
champagne and he put strawberries in the
glasses. Romantic and he had I believe

605
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:37.599
I could be wrong, but I
think he had three dozen roses. And

606
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:44.159
so yeah, then they went to
this Japanese restaurant. Scott ordered, you

607
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.960
know, more drinks and lots of
food. Somehow he finaggled a private room

608
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:54.519
at the restaurant, and he entertained
Amber with stories of his world travels Africa

609
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:59.400
and Ireland and Spain. He told
Amber, Hey, I'm you know,

610
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.960
I'm a worldly guy. I can't
just stay in California for the holidays.

611
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:06.280
I'm going to go to Alaska,
and which was kind of a weird.

612
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.559
I'm going to Alaska and then Paris. Amber had a daughter who was almost

613
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.000
two. And I have to say
Ambers very she's twenty seven. Not the

614
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.280
twenty seven year olds aren't smart.
But Amber just strikes me as maybe a

615
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.199
little naive. Yeah, that seems
like she just fell like had over heels,

616
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:28.039
like immediately, well love he was
love bombing her. Yeah. Yeah,

617
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.159
you know, when you show your
is it not even showing your best

618
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.679
self? Like this false self and
just I mean, no man is giving

619
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.400
you roses, you know, like
all the time. It's just unrealistic,

620
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:45.000
unsustainable. Yeah. So Amber's daughter
was almost two, and that didn't seem

621
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.480
to dissuade Scott. He was like, oh, I love kids. They're

622
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.119
still on their first eight. They
went to after the they closed the Japanese

623
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.920
restaurant, and there was a karaoke
bar next door. So they went to

624
00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.480
the karaoke bar, and I believe
that they saying a duet together. They

625
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.719
sing Islands in the Stream, Oh
Lovely, it's a romantic tune. They

626
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.480
went back to Scott's hotel room and
they had sex for the first time,

627
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:16.320
and I believe Sean stayed with Amber's
daughter. Amber told Scott her birthday was

628
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:21.320
February tenth, and February tenth,
if you remember, was Lacey's due date

629
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.840
on their second date. So,
you know, Scott, you kind of

630
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.400
have to wonder, like, how
is this married man away from home so

631
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.119
much? Yeah, I mean he
was kind of a traveling salesman. His

632
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:37.639
tritory was like several states. I
think he went to California and Arizona and

633
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.199
yeah, so he did travel for
his work. But I think he just

634
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:45.880
would tell Lacey, yeah, I'm
just I'm traveling. And the second date,

635
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:51.719
Scott met Amber's daughter, which is
pretty soon. They spent the afternoon

636
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.519
together and Scott had bought gifts for
both of them and made them dinner.

637
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:01.039
So if you're a single a single
mom like Amber, you're tired. I'm

638
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:06.280
really tired. And she worked as
a massage therapist. Her work's pretty demanding.

639
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.199
I think she had just gotten her
certification and was just starting her own

640
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:15.119
business, and so, you know, you she's very busy. She's tired,

641
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.400
and here comes Scott. I'm gonna
make you dinner. I'm gonna write

642
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.000
gifts for you and your daughter.
I don't mind that you have because some

643
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.679
guys would be like, oh you
have a you have a kid, But

644
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:28.159
Scott was like I love no,
I love kids, and you know,

645
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.199
he would bring your little gifts.
So Amber is just thinking that she has

646
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.880
hit the lottery with this guy.
Yeah. Uh. And Scott. On

647
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:38.400
the second date, Amber was like, oh, I have to go pick

648
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.119
up my daughter from from daycare,
and Scott was like, I'll go with

649
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.320
you. And so he met,
you know, he met her little girl.

650
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.840
Second date, he helped pick her
up. By the third date,

651
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.719
Amber asked Scott to pick pick up
her daughter from school. That is just

652
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.719
crazy. Every mom that listening is
just like red flat red flag. I

653
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.400
know that one just blows my mind. And I think Amber was just really

654
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.719
just thought he was a good guy
and she was happy to have someone that

655
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:13.239
cared about her daughter. Yeah,
and Scott was he had just so banana.

656
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.559
He picked up the baby from school
and then he makes dinner again.

657
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.960
Amber comes home and she's like,
oh my gosh, I have a family.

658
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.880
And the three of them went that
night and picked out a Christmas tree

659
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.480
together. Oh my god. Now, on the night of the formal Christmas

660
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.239
party, Scott and Amber stayed in
a hotel and she told him she wasn't

661
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:37.119
using birth control. In a rare
moment of honesty, Scott told Amber that

662
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:39.880
he didn't want to have any more
children, like he said, your daughter

663
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.360
is enough for me. And he
told her he was thinking about getting out

664
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:49.400
of a sectomy. And Amber was
a little like, oh, she was

665
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.880
surprised by that. So what do
you think of their whirlwind relationship. It's

666
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:59.440
just so fast and it's so like
Amber was like just so committed. I

667
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.480
mean, you're right this Knight in
Shining Armor is coming and buying her all

668
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.199
these things and treating her really well. I can sort of understand that,

669
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:10.119
but obviously letting him pick up her
daughter as just mind boggling to me.

670
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.079
But we also see again how Scott
is like mirroring the person he's with,

671
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.480
Right, He's trying to be the
perfect man for her and exactly what she

672
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.320
would want in a man. And
I think also she was pretty religious,

673
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:27.440
and he acted like he was also
very religious, which I don't think he

674
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.719
really was. So yeah, we
just see that kind of behavior again from

675
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:36.480
him. I think Scott liked to
be the person people needed him to be,

676
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.079
yep, And he was just trying
so hard to be this perfect,

677
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:45.920
perfect guy because he'd like to see
that image of himself reflected back to himself.

678
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.519
Right, he did want to be
a Knight in Shining Armor. Yeah,

679
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.679
Amber didn't. So they hadn't seen
each other a ton, but I

680
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.400
mean, I think they've probably seen
each other maybe six or seven times in

681
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.880
person, that might maybe five,
I'm not sure how many. But they

682
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.760
didn't see each other a ton because
you know, she's ninety minutes away,

683
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:08.840
he's got another wife and yeah,
home Yeah, they had talked almost every

684
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:13.440
day on the phone, but on
Christmas Eve he didn't talk to her because

685
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.760
he had a lot of things to
do, but not picking up a fruit

686
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:22.199
basket. His wife's grandfather. He
called Amber twice on Christmas, which is

687
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:29.039
so gross. Yeah, his wife
is missing and he calls Amber twice.

688
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.320
Okay. So December thirtieth was the
day she went to the police. The

689
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:37.599
next day, New Year's Eve,
that's when the horrible, awkward Paris phone

690
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.880
call happens, and the police,
like Alborkini, went to the radio shack

691
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.639
and bought a recording device for Amber's
phone, and Amber was on board and

692
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:51.960
she was like, okay, I
will I will record all of my conversations

693
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.960
with Scott. So from New Year's
evon, all of her phone call well

694
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.360
not all of them, her phone
calls with Scott were recorded, and he

695
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.360
asked her basically not to tell him
that she knew about him, right to

696
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:07.719
basically just play act along like nothing
was different. More than a thousand people

697
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:14.559
had gathered at East La Looma Park
for a candlelight vigil for Lacey, and

698
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.880
both the Peterson and roach Of families
were there and they spoke to the crowd,

699
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.239
like thanking them and encouraging them to
continue to look for Lacey. But

700
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:27.920
Scott hung back, And one of
the reasons he probably hung back was he

701
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.840
he thought that he was in the
clear with Amber. She didn't know anything

702
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:36.639
about Lacey, and so he didn't
want to be seen on camera or heard

703
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.360
because he was trying to, you
know, save his image for Amber.

704
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.119
So, you know, Scott has
been critiqued a lot for his his kind

705
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.960
of his demeanor behavior. Well,
yeah, yeah, a lot of things.

706
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.239
But his behavior was suspicious, and
I think there's a good reason for

707
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.559
that. But part of it,
I wonder is that you know, he

708
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.480
at this point, he doesn't the
police don't know that he is having an

709
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.960
affair, right, and so that's
part of the reason why he might have

710
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.519
been acting. Yeah, he was
trying to cover up an affair for exactly.

711
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:08.679
Do you want to do a little
true crime theater? Oh, I'm

712
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.119
always up for some true crime theater. That way, we don't have to

713
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.679
listen to the phone call because I've
heard it so many times, but I

714
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:21.400
do think it's important. Yeah,
and if listeners, you can just pass

715
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:24.119
forward. So this is the call
that Scott made to Amber. On New

716
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:29.400
Year's Eve when he told her he
was in Paris. Right, this was

717
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.559
right after the vigil, yes,
okay, well, no during the vigil,

718
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:35.679
during the vigil, okay, all
right, do you want to be

719
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:42.719
scot Okay, gotcha. Are you
having a good time? Amber? Hey,

720
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.719
Happy New Year's, Happy New Year. I wanted to call you.

721
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:49.880
Thank you, Amber. Are you
there. I'm here, Amber, I

722
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.400
wish you could hear me. I'm
on the I think that you're there.

723
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:57.559
I'm near the Eiffel Tower and the
New Year't celebration is unreal. The crowd

724
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.159
is huge. Crowd's huge. Amber. Yeah, I'm here, Amber.

725
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.440
If you're there, I can't hear
you right now, but I'll call you

726
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:08.800
on your New Year's Okay. So
that just that was only a brief snippet

727
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.920
of the of the call, but
just shows you that he's a freaking psychopath.

728
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:19.639
Because he's in modesto at his wife's
candlelight vigilant. He's calling Amber,

729
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.320
pretending to be in Paris. And
he went on in great detail like he's

730
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.679
with you know, Pierre, and
yeah he had all these all these friends

731
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.199
with Yeah, he had all these
details. That's the thing. It just

732
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.079
blows my mind. He was great, great liar, he was. Yeah,

733
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.159
he was very good at it.
On January sixth, Scott finally tells

734
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:44.440
Amber he's been lying to her about
everything, not really everything, but he

735
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:49.000
told her that he was married and
his wife went missing and he hadn't really

736
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.800
been in traveling. He'd been in
Modesto the whole time. Okay, So

737
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.480
we're going to do another reenactment here
of the conversation that Scott had with Amber

738
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.400
when she grills him, right,
and this is just a little part of

739
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:06.519
the conversation. Again, I will
get into the character of Scott Peterson.

740
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.679
Okay, the girl I'm married to, her name is Lacey, uh huh.

741
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.039
For the past two weeks, I've
been in Modesta with her family and

742
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.800
mine searching for her. Okay,
she just disappeared and no one knows.

743
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:25.840
Okay now where she's been, Scott, and I can't tell you more because

744
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.800
I need you to be protected from
the media and your daughter. Okay,

745
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:36.280
Okay, they are amazing, Scott. Are you are you listening? I

746
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.599
am. You came to me earlier
in December and you told me that you

747
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:45.800
lost your wife. What was that
about. She she's alive. Yeah,

748
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.920
And I deserve to understand an explanation
of why you told me you lost your

749
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.360
wife and this was the first holidays
you spend without her. That was December

750
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.360
ninth, and you told me this, and now all of a sudden,

751
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.559
your wife's missing. Are you kidding
me? Did you hear me? I

752
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.840
did. I don't know what to
say to you. I think an explanation

753
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.440
would be a start. I know
you deserve an explanation, Yes I do.

754
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:13.480
I do, and I want to
give you one. I have listening.

755
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:17.599
I can't now, I mean,
you don't understand. So the conversation

756
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.360
went on and Scott was just being
shady as heck, and he wouldn't tell.

757
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.440
He kept saying, I can't tell
you the whole story. I can't

758
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:31.159
tell the whole story. And then
he implied that Connor might not be his.

759
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:37.440
He never said that, but he
just kind of kept on implying that

760
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:39.880
Lacey may have cheated on him and
she didn't know the whole story, and

761
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:45.119
it was it was pretty disgusting.
Yeah. The days started to run together,

762
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:50.519
and Scott would stop by the Lazy
Command Center for a little while on

763
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:55.639
most days, and he drove to
the Berkeley Marina on several occasions, police

764
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:01.039
had put a locator on both his
and Lacey's vehicles, and Scott took to

765
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:06.880
kind of driving like a madman sometimes
because he kind of knew. I think

766
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.320
he knew he was being tailed,
and he was trying to evade police as

767
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:15.239
much as possible. And some days
he just was messing with them and he

768
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:22.440
rented cars and didn't like. He
stopped somewhere one time and he knew Al

769
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:23.760
was there, El Borkini was there, and he was like, Hey,

770
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:27.760
Al, what are you doing here? And he was just kind of playing

771
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:32.880
games with them. On January twenty
fourth, this whole thing takes a big

772
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:39.199
turn when Amber went public with a
press conference. She only spoke for about

773
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:44.239
thirty seconds and she I'm going to
just read it to you, okay.

774
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.239
First of all, I met Scott
Peterson on November twentieth, two thousand and

775
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:52.159
two. I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.

776
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.679
Scott told me he was not married. We did have a romantic relationship.

777
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:01.559
When I discovered he was involved in
Lacy peterson dissipppearance case, I immediately contacted

778
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.840
the Modesto Police Department. Although I
could have sold or sold the photos of

779
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.159
Scott and I to the tabloids.
I know this was not the right thing

780
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:15.320
to do. For fear of jeopardizing
the case or the police investigation, I

781
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:20.199
will not comment further. I'm very
sorry for Lacey's family and the pain that

782
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.079
this has caused them, and I
pray for her safe return as well.

783
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.880
I would appreciate my friends and acquaintances
to refrain from talking about me to the

784
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:34.079
media for profit or recognization. I
am a single mother of a twenty three

785
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.440
year month old child, and I
ask you to respect my privacy. Thank

786
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:45.920
you. After Amber's press conference,
Lazy's family believed like everything changed. They

787
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:51.119
believe that Scott murdered Lacey. They
closed the call center and share in To

788
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.559
her credit, she called Scott on
numerous occasions and she was like, I

789
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:57.199
know what you did. I want
my daughter back. Where is she Tell

790
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:01.239
me where she is? And she
was pretty relentless. But Amber continue to

791
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:06.280
talk to Scott as much as five
times a day. Yeah, that press

792
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:09.880
conference was just that was such a
huge moment in this whole case. I

793
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:13.199
mean, I think it really was. I think it felt like everybody in

794
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.159
the world was watching at that point, and Amber was so nervous, and

795
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.840
to her credit, she didn't have
to do that, but she did,

796
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.400
and I think she did the best
job that she could. Yeah, and

797
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.679
you know, she was a young
single mom and she was scared. She

798
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.760
said that she was having a pan
literally having a panic attack while she was

799
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:35.760
speaking. Yeah. Now there was
a little bit of a there was a

800
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:37.320
story about Amber I wanted to share. It's a little bit of a rabbit

801
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:43.480
hole, but about whether she was
being completely upfront with the police or not

802
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.239
during this whole process. There was
an article in Court TV that I read

803
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:54.199
that basically it was based on confidential
sources within the Modesto police department. It

804
00:55:54.360 --> 00:56:00.719
indicates that police started to doubt Amber's
veracity. The article said that even though

805
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.920
Amber had promised to record her conversations
with Scott, that she was sometimes calling

806
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.199
him on the sly. The police
had a meeting on January thirteenth of two

807
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.639
thousand and three to discuss what they
called the Amber problem, and they concluded

808
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:19.280
that quote Amberfry is no longer telling
us the truth in this investigation. Police

809
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.679
had been tapping her phone to make
sure that she was on the up and

810
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.119
up, and they haven't said what
they heard on these calls, but the

811
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:30.199
information they learned from listening in made
them doubt her credibility a detective set at

812
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:35.199
the time, quote Amberfry still has
a desire to have Scott Peterson in her

813
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:39.039
life. She may even lie or
conspire with him to withhold evidence. And

814
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:45.840
another confidential report stated quote, I
suspect she may be disseminating information to Scott

815
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:51.920
Peterson concerning what law enforcement knows about
this investigation. So just an interesting side

816
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.000
note about Amber. I think a
lot of people look at her as kind

817
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:59.400
of a hero who did the right
thing, but it's a little bit more

818
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:04.480
questionable than that. What I cannot, for the life of me wrap my

819
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:08.480
head around is after this press conference, she didn't need to keep talking to

820
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:14.079
Scott, I don't think. But
she did for like a month after,

821
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:19.440
and they talked many times a day
for long periods of time. I think

822
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:23.920
she really was wrapped up in him. And you know, so maybe law

823
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.800
enforcement was hoping that she would divulge
something or he would divulge something to Amber.

824
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:31.880
But Scott's he's not dumb, and
he has to know at this point

825
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:36.400
that her phones tapped. Yeah,
she had the press conference. I mean

826
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.920
he would definitely know that. So
it does make you wonder, like what

827
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:45.559
her motivation was in this whole thing
she did do. She was very brave,

828
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.440
though you have have to give her
predictor right there. Yeah. Sure,

829
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.079
at this point Scott needs to do
some damage control. And this is

830
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:58.920
when he starts doing media interviews,
which was a bad idea, the terrible

831
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.000
idea. You wanted to play some
audio. I've got a few clips from

832
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:06.400
when he was on with Diane Sawyer. So I've got a few of these,

833
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:07.760
but I'll play one at a time. We can comment on him as

834
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:12.920
we go, but I just want
to say to the look on his face,

835
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:16.840
like the visual is so weird.
You can play the clips and then

836
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:20.360
we can talk. Yeah, let's
start with the first one here. I

837
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.360
think everybody sitting at home wants the
answer to the same question, did you

838
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:30.239
murder your wife? No? No, I just thought and I had absolutely

839
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:34.519
nothing to do with her disappearance,
and use the word murder and yeah,

840
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:43.000
I mean that is a possibility.
It's not one we're ready to accept.

841
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:47.280
And it creeps in my mind late
at night and early in the morning and

842
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:51.719
during the day. All we can
think about is the right resolution is to

843
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:58.400
find her well. But as you
know, increasingly and the public, suspicion

844
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.119
has turned on you. Yes,
did you ever hit her? Did you

845
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:07.880
ever injure her? No? No? Oh god no. Violence towards women

846
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:15.159
is unapproachable. It is the most
disgusting act to me, and I know

847
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:22.639
that suspicion has turned to me,
and it's it's turned to me one because

848
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.480
I'm her husband and that's a natural
thing. And I've heard all the statistics

849
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:34.199
on all the news shows about that
being you know, someone that a husband,

850
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:38.000
ex husband, a boyfriend, that
is statistically the one who would be

851
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:47.599
responsible for her disappearance. And I'm
sorry, I've forgot your question. Did

852
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:51.480
you ever hit her? Did you
ever injure? No? No? Never.

853
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.960
I answered your question because the suspicion
that it's been turned to me,

854
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:08.000
and it turned to me because of
the inappropriate romantic that I had with Amber

855
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:15.559
Fry. So that's the first clip
hard to listen to, it's hard to

856
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.840
listen to. He's he's a creep, Yeah, creep. Completely. Let

857
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:23.519
me play the second one about Amber
Fry. Amber Fry came forward. I'm

858
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:29.599
glad she did. You are definitely
well appropriate thing to do. And it

859
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:37.280
really shows what a personal character she
is and it allows us to get back

860
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.920
looking for Lacey. Did you tell
her that you were not married? I

861
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:47.920
did? I did, and then
when Lacey disappeared, I called her and

862
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.800
immediately. It wasn't immediately. It
was a couple of days after Lacy's disappearance.

863
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:59.440
I telephoned her and told her the
truth, the truth that I was

864
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:01.480
married, that Lacey disappeared. She
didn't know about it at that point,

865
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:07.159
and then she contacted the police.
Lie. That was a lie. He

866
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:09.960
did not call her a couple of
days after Lacey's disappearance to tell her the

867
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:15.400
truth. No, he didn't.
Got a lot of lies. Yeah,

868
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.320
here's another one. Had you told
anyone? Did you tell police? Told

869
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:24.719
the police immediately when that was the
first night we're together the police. I

870
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:30.800
spent with the police. You told
them about her? Yeah? From fourth

871
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:34.639
on? That was a lie.
He did not tell the police about Amperify

872
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:38.519
early on. I've got a couple
more short clips. Did your wife find

873
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:47.559
out about it? I told my
wife when early December. Did it cause

874
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:57.599
a rupture in the marriage. It
was not a positive obviously, it's a

875
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:09.119
yeah, inappropriate, but it was
not something that we weren't dealing with a

876
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:15.840
lot of arguing. No, no, no, you know I can't say

877
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:24.199
that that even you know, she
was okay with the idea, but it

878
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:30.280
wasn't anything that would break us apart. There wasn't a lot of anger.

879
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:37.480
No. Do you really expect people
to believe that an eight and a half

880
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:45.800
multipregnant woman learns her husband has had
an affair and is sinkly and casual about

881
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:52.519
it, accommodating, makes a peace
with it. Well, yeah, you

882
01:02:52.599 --> 01:03:05.239
don't know. No one knows our
relationship with us and that's at peace with

883
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:15.000
it. I'm not happy about it. Why did you tell her it was

884
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:21.440
the right thing? Tell me about
the state of your marriage? What?

885
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.559
What kind of marriage was it?
God? I mean the first word that

886
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:31.360
comes to mind is glorious. I
mean we took care of each other very

887
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:40.119
well. She was amazing, She
was amazing, is amazing. Glorious.

888
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.440
Oh man, those clips just make
me cringe described so much. No,

889
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:50.960
don't it's okay, Oh yeah,
it's it's it's hard to listen to and

890
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:52.639
it, like we said, it's
it's even harder to watch his face.

891
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:58.360
Uh, he's smiling at times and
a couple of times there's like a little

892
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.199
chuckle that comes out. It's like
it's nothing's funny. And the I think

893
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:04.400
it was the first clip where she
says something about murder and he says,

894
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:09.239
well, murder, and he like
smiles and chuckles. He's like, it's

895
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:13.400
really it's really creepy. It's very
very uncomfortable. Yeah, just his whole

896
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:17.360
demeanor and his tone of voice was
just seemed really inappropriate. I wanted to

897
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:21.760
mention I don't know if you found
this, but so Scott's phone was obviously

898
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:28.880
tapped, they had GPS's on his
vehicle vehicles, but sixty five friends,

899
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:33.440
family members, and members of the
press also had their phones tapped, Like

900
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:40.079
I believe Dane Sawyer, really,
Nancy Grace, Dan Abrams, all those

901
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:43.880
big people at the times their phones
were also tapped. Really, I did

902
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.960
not know. Yeah, and I
think once they found out about it,

903
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:51.159
they didn't know initial they were pretty
pissedl Yeah, the nuts. That's how

904
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:55.199
big this case got. Can I
just say, though I love Diane Sawyer,

905
01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:58.199
actually really I really missed Diane Sawyer. I think she still does a

906
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.360
little things here and there. But
no, we could ask a question like

907
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:06.000
Diane Sawyer. Yeah, yeah,
it's great, Lady. Well, I

908
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:10.199
think we oh god, you guys
are going to kill us, but I

909
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:13.800
think we need to stop. I
know, we've got probably another hour of

910
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.239
stuff to talk about in this case. There's just so much here. There's

911
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:19.960
so much, and we're so sorry
because we really did think we could knock

912
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.320
it out into but we're going to
have to make it three. Yeah,

913
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:29.840
we promise we will finish the Lazy
and Scott Peterson case and our next episode

914
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:33.239
we're going to sequester ourselves in the
in the light Bulb Lab recording studio.

915
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:38.159
We're not going to we're done.
I think it's probably we'll probably wrap it

916
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:41.800
up in an hour. But I
think we're both surprised that we've gone a

917
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:45.320
little longer because we've never collaborated on
a case. How is it going so

918
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:47.639
far? Do you do? You
like the collab I like it, but

919
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.920
really it's not up to me,
And I'm curious if our listeners like that

920
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:57.000
we both have the same information and
I like having a conversation with you.

921
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:00.280
It's it is. It is kind
of nice, but it is funny because

922
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:05.119
we really did not have time to
get our information together. But I think

923
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:10.039
it's going well. I've enjoyed it, and I hope everyone out there is

924
01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:15.559
enjoying their holiday, having fun with
their family and friends and eating some good

925
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:20.000
food and some nice cookies. Not
everyone has like a you know, happy

926
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:25.800
warm family, And if you are
by yourself today, I hope that you're

927
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:30.000
finding some peace and some joy in
your day, little glimpses of happiness.

928
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:36.400
We're recording this on December seventeenth,
so we haven't decided what we're having for

929
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:41.360
dinner yet. We usually have prime
rib. Do you think we'll have prime

930
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:43.920
rib? What do you think we're
going to do? I think prime rib

931
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:47.480
is good. Prime rib is good. Oh that's a bold statement. Joy

932
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:53.320
prime rib. I'm curious what Love
Mary Kill enterprises. What the Christmas bonus

933
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.719
is? Gosh, that's a really
good question. Yeah, I don't know.

934
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.119
Aren't you the I thought you were
the CEO of Love Mary. Well,

935
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:03.599
I think we're co CEOs. So
hr is not going to do anything

936
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:06.800
for us, probably probably like your
shirt by the way, it's a nice

937
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:11.440
shirt. Yeah, I love Mary
or my love Mary kil hoodie. Today.

938
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:14.159
For the recording, we do have
a couple of extras. I think

939
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:18.039
we are planning on doing some sort
of giveaway if we ever get her act

940
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:20.480
here. I think we need to
hire. We need an intern. We

941
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:27.960
need we should, we should look
into that. Don't mind working for free

942
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.280
free long I mean we could probably
will give you. You can work for

943
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.880
cookies exactly, work for cookies and
next that's what I work for, cookies

944
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:41.000
and and listeners. It'll we don't
have. We didn't plan on doing three

945
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:47.159
episodes, so whatever snack comes next
will be a surprise for everyone. Merry

946
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:51.599
Christmas, Happy New Year. We
love and appreciate our listeners so much,

947
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:58.639
and we hope your your souls and
spirits are filled with joy and happiness and

948
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:03.440
peace. Today well said, until
next time. Don't kill your husband.

949
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:04.320
Don't kill your wife.