Laci and Scott Peterson - Part 1

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Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm
Rich. And if there's one thing we've

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learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's that some days you'll feel like

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killing your wife, and some days
you'll feel like killing your husband. Welcome

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to love, Mary, kill my
w Tonights are taken up by static stress

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and holiday shopping traffic, and I
close my eyes and I'm somewhere else,

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just like magic. In my heart
is a Christmas rey fawn where the people

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would come to dance un to sparkles
and lights, bundled up in the midtens

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and coats and de side ould flow, and I just want to be there

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Tonight. We dreams of Holly rib
and mistakes I forgave, and herd is

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icy and blue. Hey, Rich, how are you? I'm doing pretty

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good? How are you? I'm
a little stressed out. We're a little

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behind that time of year. I
am at our sincerest apologies to our patrons,

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because we are not really not really. You were traveling this week and

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this week. I'm not sure why
we decided to do this case because it's

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a ton of work and it was
your idea. Oh yeah, it was

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my idea, and I'm sorry,
but hopefully we'll do a good job.

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It is a tough time of year, and you do take care of everybody

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and everything, so you have a
lot on your plate. Well, and

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so do you. I mean you've, like you said, you were traveling

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and so anyway, I've just been
a little stressed and a little anxious.

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But hopefully we will get this done
today and we'll feel better. Yeah,

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and our big apologies to our patrons
because this is not early no, and

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we did our best, but we
just we just couldn't make it happen in

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this case, which we really like
to research as much as we can,

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and I think our deadlines are tighter
than they used to be. And so

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you did a lot of I'm not
sure how you did it, but I

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know you read a lot more than
I did. Well. This case is

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so complicated and there's so much been
written about it, and there's so many

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opinions really strongly either way, that
it's a little intimidating to try to do

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this case. But you want to
tell people about what your idea was for

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why we're doing this case. The
Peterson project brilliant. People might hate it.

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I just you know, you always
hear about Scott Peterson and Michael Peterson

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Andrew Peterson. So we were just
going to do all the Peterson cases,

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which I don't know if you came
across this in your research. There was

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in the Scott Peterson case, there
was a lot of Peterson's that weren't related.

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Oh yeah, the pathologists who testified
there're at least four people when the

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book that I read that were like, no relation. It's a very popular

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name, very popular name, popular
name for people who have murdered other people

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or at least been accused of it. Well, I think there's a lot

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of really nice Peterson's on the world. I'm sure we need to disclaimers.

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So yeah, I think our next
several episodes, if we can get it

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together. I'm going to be honest, we are struggling a little bit with

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our with our lives and getting things
done, and uh, it's it's been

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a little challenging and maintaining our and
our mental health and in our relationship with

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each other and our children and they're
both here, which is lovely. It's

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it's tough. And I'm sure anyone
who is listening can relate that the holiday

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season is a juggle, and you
know, sometimes the holiday season brings up

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some not so pleasant memories too.
And true, we do have some family

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members that we are stranged from,
and that is that's a tough thing to

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deal with. So we're not going
to get into that. But you just

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know that we're doing our very best
and we're probably we're not we're not planning

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on taking any time off. But
if you don't see an episode on a

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Monday, it's not because we're not
trying, just because we need a little

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time. We're actually taking a little
bit of a different approach with today's case

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as well. So usually one of
us does the research, writes up the

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case, the other one doesn't know
about it or tries not to know anything

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about it. But this one,
we decided we're going to kind of do

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it together, which is going to
be interesting. We collaborate on a lot

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of things in life, but we
decided to collaborate in this case. Oh,

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we really haven't collaborated. We have
it and so this might be a

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complete train wreck. It might be
because we both did our own research and

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we didn't have time to cooliate our
research. Yeah, and I feel like

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with this case, like you could
research this literally for six months and not

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be an expert on it. There's
just so much. Oh, we could

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do fifty two episodes on it,
for sure, but we don't want to

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do that, like fifteen or so, right, No, our plan is

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too and I think that we'll probably
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into three. Yeah, we'll see. But we did make some cookies and

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it's not a spice because we collaborated
with the cookies too. So I'm really

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hungry, but I did make It's
a cookie I've made before, but I

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really love making the brown bugget brown
butter chocolate chip cookies are my favorite.

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Just stuff some Christmas m and m's
in there and you're good to go and

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you're. Probably your favorite Christmas cookie
is the probably the peanut butter kiss cookies,

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So the just peanut butter cookie with
a hershey kiss everyone to everyone knows

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what it is. But yeah,
definitely one of my favorites the whole family,

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like if those are definitely always the
first thing to go, all right,

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you want to take a break and
eat or do you want to win?

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Totally want to take a break,
all right, right, right back,

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Well, that's my favorite thing about
this time of year. Cookies of

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cookies, so so good. I'm
going to No one is asked, but

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I'm going to give a couple of
cookie tips. Weigh your cookies. And

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when you're like way your ingredients when
you're preparing the cookies, I don't.

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I tend not to use measuring cups
anymore. I weigh the ingredients. It's

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quicker, it's more accurate. Chill
your dough, even if the recipe doesn't

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say to a lot of times,
I still chill it because it makes the

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cookies spread less. What else?
What else? Oh, and when you're

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making your cookies, like if you're
rolling them or I always weigh those two

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because it's nice to have a consistent
tray of cookies. When you're making chocolate

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tip cookies, you always want to
put like save a few chocolate tips and

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put them on the top after they're
done baking so they look more bakery fresh.

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And then you can always take like
a little bowl if your cookies are

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misshapen, when the cookies are out
of the oven for about a minute,

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and you take like like a little
plastic bowl and you just kind of help

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me describe that, you just kind
of kind of like swirl the bowl around

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it too. Yeah, and then
it becomes more. So. Those are

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some of my good tips. And
always let your spouse try the cookies to

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make sure they're okay. You're a
good you are a good taster, for

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sure. That's what I'm here for. Well, they're great, and you

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are excellent at cookies. As always. You've heard this case before. You've

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seen the pictures. Lacey's beautiful,
warm smile has touched your heart. You've

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thought of Lacey's mother slowly and painfully
coming to terms with the fact that her

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once beloved son in law has likely
killed her daughter. You know about Amber

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Fry and the most awkward faked phone
call in history from the Eiffel Tower.

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But if you're like me, you're
not one hundred percent sure of Scott's innocence

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or guilt. I could see people
are probably yelling at me right now of

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course he's guilty. Well, there
are people that feel very strongly the other

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way too, though, So fun
is a little controversial, controversial. I've

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never deeply delved into the information,
so in my head, I guess I

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was always like, I'm still not
one hundred percent sure, But there is

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a chance that someone other than Scott
Peter and killed Lacy and We're going to

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do our best to explore both sides
of this case in the next two episodes.

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I'm not sure if we're going to
have any new information for you,

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but we wanted to make this a
collaboration so we both have the research and

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so we can both have I think
the next two episodes were going to be

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more of a conversation. Yeah,
definitely more conversational. Yeah, a little

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bit about Modesto. Modesto is the
nineteenth largest city in California, with a

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population just over two hundred thousand.
It's located in Stanislaus County, about ninety

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miles east of San Francisco and seventy
miles south of Sacramento. It's almost exactly

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in the middle of the state.
Have you looked at a map. Well,

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we actually almost moved to Medesta once, did you know that, I

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mean we did, Ernest Leo gal
Yes, I interviewed with Ernest and Julia

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Gallo when I finished business school and
I was like, man, that just

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sounds like an awesome job. But
I didn't get it, so we didn't.

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So he really didn't help let the
smood. Yeah, you know,

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I was going to mention that Modesto
but you know, that is the world's

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largest winery, and it is right
there. The economy in Modesto is largely

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agricultural because of its rich farmland real
estate, and the cost of living in

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Modesto is about twenty percent less than
the rest of the state of California.

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Modesto does have a crime problem,
with one hundred and two percent higher crime

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rate than the US average and an
eighty nine percent higher crime rate than the

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rest of California. Modesto doesn't have
a strong local economy and the schools are

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struggling. Tax rates are high,
but lower compared to the rest of California.

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The movie American Graffiti was partially that's
what it does. George Lucas was

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from there, right, and he
based it on his Yeah, his upbringing

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or whatever. Yeah, so Modesto
looks like a really picture picturesque community,

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but I think they've had a lot
of pro problems. Yeah. Well,

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let's talk a little bit about Scott
Peterson's background. So Scott was born on

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October twenty fourth, nineteen seventy two, in sand Diego, California. His

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dad, Lee Peterson, worked for
a trucking company at the time, and

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his mom, Jackie ran a small
dress boutique. Lee and Jackie each had

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other kids before Scott was born.
Lee had two sons and a daughter from

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his first marriage. Jackie had two
children that she gave up for adoption,

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Anne Bird and Don Chapman, and
then she had another boy, John,

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who she also considered giving up for
adoption before deciding to raise him as a

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single mother. When Lee married Jackie, he adopted John, and the biological

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fathers of Jackie's first three kids are
unknown. Jackie was also going to put

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the third child up for adoption,
but I believe her doctor someone said you

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can't keep doing this. You are
a responsible adult. You can raise this

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child on your own. Yeah.
I don't remember that, but that could

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be why she changed her mind and
decided to raise John. Why didn't she

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have some Jackie had childhood trauma too. Yeah, her father was actually murdered

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when she was only two and her
mother had a nervous breakdown and he ended

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up in an orphanage after that.
So yeah, definitely some significant trauma.

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Yeah, that's horrible. Generational trauma
is I believe, really real, And

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I'm not sure how that could have
impacted Scott. And yeah, you never

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know At the time that Scott was
born, the family was described as being

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somewhat is stranged. And I'm not
sure if that means that Lee and Jackie

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were estranged or you know what that
actually meant, but it just had the

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family was somewhat estranged, but apparently
Scott's birth brought them back together. His

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older siblings were excited to have a
little brother. They loved carrying Scott around.

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The family would joke that he might
never learn to walk. As a

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child, Scott was quiet and happy. He rarely got into trouble, rarely

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got angry. He came to be
known by Jackie as the golden boy,

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while his older brother John was considered
the rowdy one. Scott had a close

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relationship with his father, Lee,
who would take him fishing and hunting,

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and also taught him how to play
golf. Scott attended the University of San

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Diego High School, which was a
Catholic preparatory school, and during that time

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he developed a passion for golf.
By the time Scott was fourteen, he

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was already a better golfer than his
dad. I think his dad was really

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excited about that. Yeah, Lee
strikes me as well. The whole golden

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boy image. I think Scott really
strived to uphold that golden boy image,

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and I think his dad put a
lot of pressure on him. Yeah,

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for sure. So Scott had at
least two girlfriends during his high school years.

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Stephanie Smith said that she began seeing
Scott when he was a senior in

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high school and she was in tenth
grade. He bought her a lot of

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gifts and flowers, but about four
months into their relationship, Stephanie heard rumors

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that a classmate of hers, Don
Hood, had been seen driving Scott's car,

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and that the two of them had
been spotted holding hands. She confronted

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Scott about it, but he had
an explanation. You see, he and

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Don had swapped cars because he had
a new car and she wanted to try

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it out. And the handholding,
I hold hands with lots of my friends.

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He told her Stephanie wasn't buying it, and she dumped him. He

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then went out with Don exclusively for
the next eight months until he left for

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college. Don was really focused on
clean living, no drugs or alcohol,

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and while Scott was with her,
he committed to the same. I think

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that's important to point out that Scott
seemed to mold his personality to whatever woman

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he was with. Yes, exactly, We'll see that later, Like with

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Amber Fry and kind of religion and
things like that. He just seemed like

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he wanted to become whatever the you
know, whatever his partner wanted. Don

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did volunteer work at a facility for
children with disabilities, and Scott regularly went

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to help her out. She later
said that Scott was a perfect gentleman when

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they were together. Scott went to
Arizona State University and he wanted to become

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a pro golfer, but after one
semester he left. He said that it

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was because he didn't like the golf
coach, but it's more likely that he

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realized he didn't quite have what it
took to be a touring professional. ASU

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is one of the best colleges for
golfers. In fact, Phil Mickelson was

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there at the same time as Scott. Scott transferred to Questa Junior College in

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San Luis Obispo, which is about
midway between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

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He went there for a year and
a half and he played on the golf

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team and he made the dean's list. He paid for his own schooling by

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working, and he didn't date anyone
seriously during this time. In nineteen ninety

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four, he transferred to California Polytechnic
State University, where he earned his Bachelor

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of Science and Agriculture. While there, he only took two classes each semester,

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and he worked two jobs, one
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tables at an upscale cafe in San
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met a waitress named Michelle, and
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half. Scott started talking marriage,
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and domineering, and she ended up
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Michelle later said, quote, Scott
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an answer. He would hold all
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then have an emotional breakdown. Unquote. When she dumped him, he cried,

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tried to convince her to take him
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her house a number of times trying
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few weeks after the breakup with Michelle, Scott met Lacey Roache. I'm going

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to pick up and talk about Lacey
but I have a couple of things I

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wanted to mention about Scott. He
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He was a really genuinely good kid. He was a boy scout, a

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crossing guard. He was the MVP
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and I thought it was kind of
impressive that he I'm not a scout

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apologist, don't get me wrong.
I just want to point out that until

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he reminds me of Chris Watts,
he was. He seemed like a good

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kid. Yeah, didn't get it. He really didn't get in trouble.

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Yeah. Well I think that was
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I think that's why he was like
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lot of pressure to be the perfect
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and he paid for his own school
and his parents had money, and I

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thought that was kind of impressive because
he didn't have to. But he was

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like, no, I want to
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on my own, so lazy.
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on May fourth, nineteen seventy five, to Sharon and Dennis Roacha.

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Her brother, Brent, was born
in nineteen seventy one. Lacey was a

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tiny baby. She only weighed about
six pounds. Sharon described Lazy as an

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easy, happy baby. She was
cheerful, bubbly, and talkative, and

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she was for the rest of her
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her, she looks like, you
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they just you know, a light. She just really just a beautiful and

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warm and bubbly Sharon and Dennis Roacha
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a difficult man and likely and alcoholic. Sharon and Dennis divorced when Lacey was

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about one. Ron grant Ski,
Sharon's longtime boyfriend and then husband, entered

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Lacey's life when she was about two. From a young age, Lacey could

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be found in the garden helping her
mother. Dennis's parents lived on a dairy

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farm, and Lacey and Brent loved
visiting the farm, where they made many

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happy childhood memories. Lacey's stepfather nicknamed
her JJ for jabber jaws. She could

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be bossy at times, but she
really knew what she wanted out of life.

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Martha Stewart was her idol so Lacey
and I are of a similar age,

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and Martha Stewart was just She's like
an icon for a lot of she

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was and I definitely subscribed to Martha
Stewart Living when I was younger, and

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I watched her show too, so
I have that in common with Lacey.

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Lacey was very social and she loved
to entertain. She was meticulous in her

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appearance. Her hair, nails,
and makeup are always done, and she

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always dressed fashionably. She was popular
and active in high school. She was

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a cheerleader, She played softball and
basketball, and she held various jobs in

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high school too. She worked at
a market, a doctor's office, and

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a restaurant. Lacey started dating her
first boyfriend, William kent Gain in high

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school. Friends knew that he'd pushed
her once during an argument, but he

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was likely more violent than Lazy ever
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Lacey's freshman year of college, right
before she met Scott. When Lazy disappeared,

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her brother Brent suggested police look into
her ex boyfriend, William. Police

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knew he wasn't a suspect, however, because William was serving a fifteen year

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jail sentence, for the attempted murder
of another girlfriend, whom he shot in

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the back during an argument. Oh
wow, I did not know about that.

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He kept pictures of Lazy in his
cell and was devastated by her death,

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and reached for comment, he said
quote, I had the feeling Scott

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was no good. I didn't know
him personally, but I'd seen him in

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the diner where he worked. It
was just a gut feeling that I had.

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The way he carried himself. He
seemed like a bleep. And I

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have to see bleep because I don't
know what the word would. It was

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literally said bleep. So I'm going
to I'm going to go with douche.

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But I just it's kind of ironic
that this guy is in prison saying Scott

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was no fu. Yeah he actually. William Kent Gain died in twenty twenty

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one. Lacey went to college at
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where she studied ornamental horticulture. Lazy
had always loved flowers, especially sunflowers.

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She had a tattoo of a sunflower
on her left ankle and worked at a

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flower shop. While in college.
She was named Outstanding Freshman of the Year

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at cal Polly Wow. Lacey fell
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She saw him while visiting her friend
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She told her mother that she was
going to marry him, and she

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told her that before she really even
met where she before called her She saw

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him across the room and said he's
the one. Lacey gave her number to

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her friend to give to Scott,
and he threw it away thinking it was

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a joke. But Lacey was serious. She was a really determined young woman

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and she wasn't afraid to go after
what she wanted. She returned to the

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cafe, letting Scott know she was
interested, and Scott was pretty excited,

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I think because Lazy was beautiful.
Scott took Lazy deep sea fishing on their

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first day, which was a very
bad idea. She got seasick and never

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went fishing again. A few weeks
later, Scott invited Lacey and her mom

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to the Pacific Cafe where he worked. This was the first time he met

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Sharon. He placed a dozen roses
on the table for each woman, red

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for Lazy and white for Sharon.
Scott was a big, big, big

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believer in roses, but a lot
of roses, which I just have a

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really quick story. I don't love
getting roses because I'm not bragging. But

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when I was I used to work
at the store and these two guys both

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liked me, and there was a
floral shop and it wasn't like a good

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floral shop, like you could probably
get her, you know, a dozen

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roses for five dollars, I don't
know. It was a long time ago,

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and they would both like bring me
roses all the time, and it

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was just so annoyed. It got
to the point when I was like,

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I'm not going to go out with
either one of you. I don't want

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the roses anymore. Wow, it
was. It was really annoying. Yeah,

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I know it sounds like, really
guys were Bayble, These were guys

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I was not going to go out
with. Yeah, I'm sure you felt

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uncomfortable. Yeah, it made me
really uncomfortable because I was like, I'm

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not into Like I'm not going to
change my mind. Yeah. Anyway,

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Lazy was spitten, but wasn't aware
that Scott was still still trying to win

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back his ex girlfriend, Michelle,
who you had talked about by Christmas However,

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Michelle had moved away and Lacey moved
in with Scott. I think didn't

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even didn't Scott like bring Lacey into
the cafe because Michelle worked there and he

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was trying to make Michelle jealous by
bringing Lacey in at times. Yeah,

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I think by that point Michelle was
like, nah, I'm good, Yeah,

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I'm moving on that Christmas, Lacey
gifted Scott with a Golden Retriever and

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they named him like Matenzie, which
I think a lot of people think that

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McKenzie, like McKenzie has is more
like a girl name now, but I

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think probably McKenzie was named for Spuds
McKenzie. Oh yes, Buds McKenzie McKenzie,

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Budweiser. Sure. So. Lacey
was the first girlfriend that Scott ever

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introduced to his family, and they
loved her. There was nothing not to

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love about Lacey, and they lived
closer to Scott's family during this time and

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frequently spent time with them. Lacey
would do the laundry there and she loved

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to help Jackie with her landscaping.
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nineteen ninety four, and both families
were really happy about it. I don't

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think you talked about Jackie's health problems
at all. No, I didn't,

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so I think from a young age
she'd had long difficulties, so a lot

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of I think any time you see
jack she's always had oxygen oxygen with her.

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One other thing I wanted to say
about Scott before you go on,

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because it was around this time when
he and Lacey started dating that Scott learned

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about his two older siblings that Jackie
had put up for adoptions, so he

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didn't know about them at all,
but Don Chapman he had decided to research

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his birth parents, and he ended
up tracking Jackie down. He developed a

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relationship with the family, and then
he reached out to Anne Bird to say

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that he was her brother, and
he asked her if she would also like

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to meet Jackie. She was hesitant
at first, but she did eventually meet

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Jackie and then Scott. Scott was
immediately taken with his newfound sister. Her

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adopted family was well off and she
had spent several years living overseas in London,

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and I think in some ways she
kind of had the life that Scott

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had envisioned for himself. She had, you know, well off friends,

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she was well traveled, so he
grew very close to Anne, which I

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think made his other sister Susan,
kind of jealous. At the time.

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Well, I think Scott was kind
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a man of the world, and
he really wanted to be well traveled,

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and I think he traveled a little
bit, but not extensively as he claimed

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to travel. On August ninth,
nineteen ninety seven, Scott and Lacey were

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married at Sycamore Mineral Springs Resort and
Spot in San Louis Obispo, with about

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one hundred and fifty family and friends
in attendance. Lacey later worked at the

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facility briefly as a banquet coordinator,
but she quit because she was underpaid,

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only earning eight dollars an hour.
The Roaches contributed about seven thousand dollars to

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the wedding, and the Peterson's could
contribute it about the same. Scott and

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Lacey made a stunning couple on their
wedding day. Have you've seen pictures of

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m She was stunning. During the
champagne toast, Scott thanked Lacey's parents for

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their perfect daughter. Lacey and her
father, Dennis weren't very close. He

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was mostly an absent father. He
was invited to the wedding, but showed

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up late and drunk and disorderly.
He couldn't get his pants on. He

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followed rip them and then grabbed a
stapler to put the torn pants. That

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makes me really cringe with embarrassment for
him. You would never do that,

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I know. Well, you had
another wedding story you wanted to mention.

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Oh yeah, and like you said, a lot of these things have come

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out I think since Scott was arrested, So you know, some of it's

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a little bit of people like remembering
things that maybe they didn't say. That

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information bias. Yeah, but the
general manager of the resort that they were

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married at he had later reported that
he saw Scott before the wedding at the

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bar drinking and hitting on a waitress. Not shocking. No. As a

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child, Lazy had surgery to remove
an eight pound tumor in her abdomen.

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That's insane, that is eight pounds. The surgeon was forced to remove one

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of her fallopian tubes, but doctors
didn't think that she would have trouble becoming

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pregnant. However, it did take
Lazy almost two years to get pregnant,

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and she started to worry and began
considered fertility treatments, but she soon became

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pregnant naturally. She was due on
February tenth. Lazy at the before her

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pregnancy was well. Her height didn't
change, but she was five feet one

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inches tall, so she was tiny, and she weighed about one hundred and

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twenty five pounds at her first appointment. Her last appointment, she weighed about

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one hundred and sixty pounds, so
she gained a fair amount of weight,

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but still it's within the normal range, right, normal range. But she

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was just warned a few times to
you know, stay active and eat well.

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She was overjoyed to become a mother. Scott seemed excited, but he

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allegedly had told a relative that he
was hoping for infertility after it took them

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two years to get pregnant, which
is a horrible thing to say. Yeah,

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I mean, if you knew Lazy
like that was the most important super

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was to start a family. Lazy
worked as a substitute teacher but planned to

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be a stay at home mom once
Connor was born. And I think you

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have some things to ask, Yeah, just really back up a little bit

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on there after they got married,
because I think again other signs of you

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know, things to come. Maybe. But after the wedding, Scott and

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Lazy lived apart for a few months
because she he was finishing up school in

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San Luis Obispo, and she had
a job about two hours north near San

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Jose. And we know that he
had at least two affairs during that time.

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So the first was with a twenty
year old named Janet Ilse who he

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met in one of his classes.
On their first date, what do you

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think he bought her? I think
he brought her some daisies. He brought

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her twelve dozen roses. That's insane, that is insane, one hundred and

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forty four. He took her to
fancy restaurants, bought her expensive gifts.

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One night, Janet decided to surprise
Scott at his house, which he shared

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with three roommates. One of the
roommates let her in and when she arrived

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at Scott's bedroom, she was surprised
to find him in bed with another woman,

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his wife, Lazy named Lazy.
She did not know that Scott was

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married, which is insane. Yeah, yeah, and I don't I have

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this. I think we read a
lot of the same book, and we

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don't have any information of how Lacey
reacted. How Scott explained it away was

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she It almost made it sound like
she was okay with it. I read

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that she was upset, but that
she moved on. It sounds like she

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moved on pretty quickly from it,
which is surprising. Like that early in

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your marriage, that would be a
pretty bad sign. So that was the

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end of that relationship. But another
relationship started soon after. It was with

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another fellow student, a young woman
named Katie Hanson. She and Scott would

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study together and they soon started dating. Scott told her that he wasn't married,

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but the next day he called to
tell her he had lied. He

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was married but not anymore, and
his ex lived in Salinas, which coincidentally

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or maybe not, was right near
where Lacey was living at the time.

407
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:44.359
Katie believed the relationship was growing more
serious over the two and a half months

408
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.359
that they were together. Scott's graduation
day was approaching, but there was no

409
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.319
talk of going their separate ways after
his graduation. In the spring of nineteen

410
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.240
ninety eight, at his graduation ceremony, Katie sat next to Scott and was

411
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.759
surprised when a woman who turned out
to be Lacey walked up to Scott and

412
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.599
gave him a big kiss. Scott
calmly introduced Lacey to Katie and then didn't

413
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.920
say another word to Katie the rest
of the afternoon. Katie felt thankful that

414
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.319
she dodged a bullet. She only
heard from Scott one more time, a

415
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:18.000
few weeks after graduation, when she
received a delivery of a dozen pink roses

416
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.200
from him with a cryptic message saying
he had quote no job, no home

417
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:27.680
unquote. She never responded to that. Well, in these relationships weren't just

418
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:33.240
casual flings. They were full on
relationships. Yeah. Like they spent a

419
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.640
lot of time together and one of
them was eighteen months. Yeah, like

420
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.200
that's a long term relationship. After
Scott graduated, Lacey had moved back in

421
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.400
with Scott. She had a job
at Sycamore Springs Resort, as you mentioned,

422
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.599
the place that they had been married, but she resigned after only two

423
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.440
months. Scott stad Lee made him
a partner in his corrugated box business,

424
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:59.000
thinking that his son would take over
the family business, but after two years,

425
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.319
Scott bought out his and then he
turned around and sold the company right

426
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:06.119
after that, which was a pretty
shitty thing to do. Yeah, exactly.

427
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.519
I think Lee had, you know, visions of like a family business

428
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.640
right that the kids would follow in
his footsteps and all that, and then

429
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.279
yeah, just sold it. He
used the proceeds of the company's sale to

430
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:21.000
open a sports bar and restaurant called
The Shack. He and Lacey ran the

431
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.359
business for two years, but it
was hard work and not a whole lot

432
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:26.680
of fun, and so they ended
up selling it. Soon after that,

433
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:32.160
they moved over two hundred miles north
to Modesto, which was closer to Lacey's

434
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.480
parents. They lived with her parents
for a couple of weeks, than in

435
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.960
a rental for a bit until they
bought their home on Covina Avenue with help

436
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.680
from a thirty thousand dollars gift from
Scott's parents. Quite a nice gift,

437
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:48.640
Very nice gift. Yeah. And
I think Scott's parents they gave him little

438
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:53.759
cash infusions here and there, like
they paid for his initial country club entrance

439
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.680
fee, which was twenty three thousand
dollars, and they were very generous.

440
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:02.559
Yeah, for sure. Scott got
a job with a company called Trade Corp,

441
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:08.640
which was he sold fertilizer and other
agriculture products. Scott was selling manure.

442
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.319
Yeah, Yeah, he was on
the road visiting customer as a fair

443
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.240
amount. But he found time to
do some improvements to their home. He

444
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.559
added a swimming pool, building,
scott barbecue, yeah, and did some

445
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.599
other renovations as well. He's one
of those people I'm like, he did

446
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.000
he have more hours in the day
than the rest of us because he's maintaining

447
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.839
these extracurricular relationships. He's yeah,
I mean he was. Yeah, it

448
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.920
was a go getter. He did
a lot. So I just have a

449
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.319
couple other things to say about before
you get into like the timeline of Lacey's

450
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.079
disappearance and what happened there. But
one thing I wanted to mention is I

451
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.319
read Anne Bird's book, which is
Scott's sister who was given up for adoption.

452
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.720
In her book, she said a
few things like during Lacey's pregnancy that

453
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.839
I thought were worth sharing. One
is that Scott's mother, Jackie, twice

454
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.440
mentioned to her that Scott and Lacey
were having problems, although she didn't get

455
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.160
specific on what those problems were.
Because I think a lot of people thought

456
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:05.680
that, you know, had the
impression that Scott and Lacey's marriage was perfect

457
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.319
and that there were no issues.
But you know, so I'm going to

458
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.279
dispute you on that one because Sharon, I'm not disputing you. I mean,

459
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.880
I'm not saying that what Anne said
isn't true. But Sharon, Sharon

460
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:20.359
Roacha who was super close to Lacey, she was like, they never fought,

461
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.799
they did have the perfect marriage.
Yeah. So you know, we

462
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.119
just have a lot of contradictory information
and we have to sort through it.

463
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.920
But Sharon was close with Lazy and
so I did think that was kind of

464
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:37.599
odd because she was, you know, very certain in that they never fought.

465
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.319
Yeah, That's why I caught my
attention in the book that Anne Bird

466
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:43.519
wrote, because yeah, it was
it wasn't something that you heard that I

467
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.799
had heard from other people as well. One other story that Anne shared was

468
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:52.039
a trip to Disneyland that was attended
by Scott and Lacey along with Scott's mom,

469
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.440
Jackie, and a few others.
And this was in November, right

470
00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:01.119
before Lacey disappeared. While Anne's that
Scott he said the right things about being

471
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:05.599
excited for the baby, she felt
like his words seemed kind of flat and

472
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.240
detached, like he was saying what
he was supposed to say, and she

473
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:13.599
also noted a couple of strange behaviors
from Scott during the trip. At dinner

474
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.920
one night, Scott ordered a nice
bottle of wine, and when it came,

475
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.640
he kept it near his plate.
He never passed it or offered it

476
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.079
to anyone else, and it was
kind of like, apparently just for him,

477
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.200
which may not be the weirdest thing
in the world, but it's pretty

478
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.079
unusual. Like I've been at a
lot of dinners and people buy wine.

479
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.200
It's like, you know, you
don't just buy a bottle of wine for

480
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.839
yourself and not share it. The
one that was probably more interesting, though,

481
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.680
was that during the trip the family
was hanging out in one of their

482
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.920
rooms. They were exchanging Christmas gifts. Scott was on his phone in a

483
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:44.559
world of his own. We don't
know who he was talking to, but

484
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:50.599
I suspect it was probably Amber Fry. Lacey said that he was on business

485
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.039
calls a lot lately, and while
the gift exchange was going on, and

486
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.279
realized that her little boy, who
was not quite three years old, was

487
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.559
missing and started to panic. As
you can imagine if you're you know you're

488
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.720
in a hotel room. You can't
find your three year old boy. Everyone

489
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.599
else started panicking, jumping up looking
for him. They found him a couple

490
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:12.360
of minutes later. But through it
all and saw that Scott never got distracted.

491
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.639
He just he was on his phone
in a world of his own,

492
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.239
not paying any attention to any anything
else that was going on. So just

493
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.519
a couple of, you know,
a couple of warning signs, I guess.

494
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:28.039
So the wine that you mentioned,
So his parents, Lee and Jackie

495
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:32.760
were very generous, but I read
that he liked he and Lacy liked expensive

496
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.480
wine, so they would take them
out to dinner. But they would like,

497
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.199
Scott, you need to pay for
your own wine. So maybe that's

498
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.159
why he didn't share it. I
mean, definitely he should have shared it.

499
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.679
But yeah, they made him pay
for his own wine, which was

500
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.840
kind of funny. Should we take
a quick break before we dive into the

501
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:59.119
timeline. It's a great idea,
all right, So I'm just going to

502
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:04.719
go through the timeline, Like in
the months before Lacey's disappearance, were you

503
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.880
already talked about this? But in
October of two thousand, Scott and Lacey

504
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.440
purchased a three bedroom, two bath
seventeen hundred square foot home at five twenty

505
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:16.679
three Covina Avenue in Modesto for one
hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars with the

506
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:22.159
generous thirty thousand dollars down payment from
the Petersons. And that's about when Lacey

507
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:28.719
started to try to get pregnant.
And like you said, Scott worked really

508
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.039
hard on remodeling the home, putting
in a pool, which I don't know

509
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:37.119
how you put a in ground Poland
by yourself, and Lacey worked on the

510
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.159
landscaping a lot. In June of
two thousand and two, Lacey announced her

511
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:46.119
pregnancy. The couple both seemed excited. Lacey's due date was February tenth,

512
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:52.960
two thousand and three, and they
quickly began working on the nautical themed nursery.

513
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.119
You probably saw pictures of that.
No, I actually didn't see that.

514
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.880
Well, mean, Lacey was thirty
three weeks pregnant when she disappeared,

515
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.239
and the nursey it looked like it
was done, so they were you know,

516
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:10.639
to me, that showed that they
were both excited. On September twentieth,

517
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.599
two thousand and two, Lacey had
her twenty week sonogram. It was

518
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:20.039
during this time that her original due
date was pushed back six days to February

519
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:25.480
sixteenth, which I think is kind
of a significant fact. The over under

520
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:31.840
on a twenty week ultrasound is ten
days, so it's not an exact right.

521
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.159
The whole pregnancies are just it's all
a guessing game. No, and

522
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.840
they can give you kind of an
idea, but you know a lot of

523
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.960
women go early, right, a
lot of women go late. In October,

524
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.639
Sean Sibley and Scott met for the
first time. Sean met Scott in

525
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.000
Anaheim at a trade show. He
was charming and flirtatious, but she wasn't

526
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:59.039
interested. She was engaged. Sean
claimed it was innocent, but the pair

527
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.199
stayed up until three thirty in the
morning, talking and drinking. Scott said

528
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.480
he was tired of dating bimbos and
wanted a smart woman. He was looking

529
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.119
for the one, so of course
Sean thinks he's single. Scott told Sean

530
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.360
he had once been with someone he
thought was his soulmate, but it hadn't

531
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:19.639
worked out. After the conference,
Scott and Sean stayed in touch and talked

532
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.960
several times a week. She liked
Scott a lot and thought he was a

533
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.760
catch, and she thought, you
know what, I have a friend for

534
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:32.000
him. Her name was Amber Fry. Amber lived about ninety miles south of

535
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:36.880
Modesto in Madera, California, with
her daughter, who was almost two.

536
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.800
Amber had been in some bad relationships
and Sean thought Scott was just the guy

537
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.239
to turn things around for her.
Sean had to nudge Scott a couple of

538
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:51.599
times to contact Amber. Eventually he
did and they had their first date on

539
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.639
November twentieth, two thousand and two. We're going to go back and talk

540
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.480
about Amber Moore in a little bit, But on December sixth Scott was confronted

541
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:04.880
by Seawann's sibly about being married.
She told Scott that he had to tell

542
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.679
Amber or she would. How did
she know that he was married at that

543
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:13.920
point? I think they had they
had associates that were in a similar field.

544
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.000
Okay, so they were in the
same yeah, general area of work.

545
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:21.199
Yeah, And I think it was
someone that Scott worked with. Was

546
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:25.000
like, she was asking him about
Scott and and the guy was like,

547
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:30.960
well, I think he's married.
So Sean was pretty unhappy when she realized

548
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.400
she'd set her best friend up with
a married man. Yeah, it's I

549
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:37.519
don't know if we've talked about this
enough, but Scott was a lie.

550
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.519
He lied. He was a pathological
liar. He was very good at it.

551
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.760
He was he very good at it. Yeah, he and he was

552
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:47.159
always had a lie in his pocket. He was it was at the ready,

553
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:51.400
and he always had like details in
his lies, like things like very

554
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.480
specific details about you know, very
specific things that made it sound like,

555
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:59.320
you know, it must be real
because he's got these very specific things,

556
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.639
you know. Yeah, he was
very good at it. And December seventh,

557
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:06.480
Scott began looking for a boat.
He had owned boats in the past,

558
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.159
and a few friends would testify later
at the trial that he had recently

559
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.760
been talking about acquiring a new boat, and he'd even asked someone if they

560
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.280
wanted to go in with him on
purchasing the boat. But he never really

561
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.480
told anyone like in his family or
in Lacey's family about the boat. And

562
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.239
even whether Lacey knew or not is
a questionable. We don't know for sure

563
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.199
whether she knew or not. I
believe she knew, and I think I

564
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.559
have some proof to back that up
when we get there. Okay, we

565
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.760
can't ignore that timing though, So
Sean was like, you need to tell

566
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:42.199
Amber you're married. And then he
starts looking for a boat, And he

567
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:49.320
also searched boat ramp Pacific San Francisco
Bay, and he was looking up the

568
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:54.159
nautical charts and currents in the San
Francisco Bay area. So he was thinking

569
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.719
of something. He was thinking about
something. Yeah, But just to back

570
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.760
up a little bit, did he
so Sean confronted him about him being married?

571
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:06.440
Did he then follow up with Amber? Yes? December ninth, Scott

572
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.239
purchased a fourteen foot aluminum fishing boat
and trailer from a man who told Scott

573
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:15.840
he had never taken the boat in
the ocean or saltwater before, only freshwater.

574
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:20.000
Also on this day, Scott told
Amber he had been married. He

575
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.880
lied because he was in so much
pain facing the first Christmas without his wife,

576
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.920
so he said that he lost his
wife. He didn't really specify what

577
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.239
he meant though, right, No, he didn't. Yeah, and she

578
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.280
didn't ask he lost his wife?
And I think, you know, like

579
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:38.480
we were just saying his lies were
well crafted. Yeah. On December fourteenth,

580
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:44.360
Lacey went to a Christmas party by
herself. Scott went to a party

581
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:49.320
with Amber. He introduced himself as
Amber's boyfriend. He told Amber he was

582
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.440
going on a long trip to Maine, New York and Europe, but he

583
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.599
called her almost every day, but
he did not call her on Christmas Eve.

584
00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.519
And those photos at the Christmas party, so photos of Scott with Amber.

585
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.760
I was going to mention that you
the photos. Yeah, and that

586
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.559
same day, Lacey's at the other
party and there's a photo of her like

587
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.119
sitting by herself. Yeah, she
has this cute like maroon jumper on and

588
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.840
she's sitting in a chair and she
has her hands on her belly and she's

589
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.519
she's glowing, she looks beautiful,
but all by herself. It's devastating that

590
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:24.719
you know that her jackass husband is
at a party with Amber, and there's

591
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.960
a lot of pictures of them,
and you know, they look very cozy,

592
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.960
happy together, and where Amber really
was just like, oh my gosh,

593
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.239
I've found him. He was in
love. We'll talk a little bit

594
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.440
more about that in a little bit. But on December twenty third, Lacey

595
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:44.000
had a doctor's appointment and Scott did
go with. Later that day, he

596
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.440
got a haircut from Lacey's sister Amy. He invited Amy over for a pizza,

597
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.679
but she said no, thanks,
I have plans. And this is

598
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.079
one of the mysteries in the case
did did Scott kill Lacey? On December

599
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:04.320
twenty third, Lacey talk to Sharon
at eight thirty pm. They Scott said

600
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.920
they watched Monday Night Football, which
every pregnant lady loves to watch Monday night

601
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.760
at football, right, and then
they watched the movie The Rookie, and

602
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.199
Scott said they went to bed about
ten thirty. And at first I was

603
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.079
like, ten thirty. You can't
watch Monday night football and be in bed

604
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.920
at ten thirty, But that I
remember they were on the West living on

605
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.000
the West Coast. It is Monday
night football at five pm. Yeah.

606
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.559
Lacey was wearing tan Capria pants and
a black blouse with small flowers or polka

607
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.800
dots while they were at the salon, but when she returned home, she

608
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:42.320
changed into Scott's blue pajamas and wore
them to bed. If you're a pregnant

609
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.119
lady, you know you've got a
couple of pair of pants that are your

610
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.280
favorite things and you can't wait to
change into them when you got when you

611
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:54.079
get home. I forgot to mention
that Amy, Lacey's sister after Scott's haircut.

612
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:59.280
She showed Lacey how to take a
flat iron and you flip the ends

613
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.000
of your hair up, and Lacey, she looked really cute and she thought

614
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.639
that was a great idea and that
might be significant the next day, and

615
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:12.480
Lacey brought her curling iron with her. Her sister later testified that Lacey had

616
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.719
brought her curling iron with her to
that appointment. Just so her curling iron

617
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:17.639
a flat iron. Oh, I
don't know, also the same to me.

618
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.400
It's probably her flat iron. But
it would be kind of weird that

619
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.039
she would bring her flat iron to
the appointment because if her sister, I

620
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.599
mean she worked at a salon,
yeah, she would have had Maybe she

621
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.360
just wanted to show her on her
own equipment. Maybe so on Christmas Eve,

622
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.480
Lacey woke up. This is all
according to Scott. Lacey woke up

623
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.320
around seven am and ate some cereal. She got dressed and curled her hair

624
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:45.159
like her sister had shown her.
And this is also significant because there's a

625
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.280
bench in the bathroom that you know, Lacey was pretty pregnant of this time.

626
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.440
You know, she brought the bench
in to sit on the bench while

627
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.360
she curled her hair. Normally.
The bench was, you know, with

628
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.840
it. I'm guessing it was probably
in the day. I'm not really sure,

629
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:00.119
but it was, but it was
not. The other was pretty small.

630
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.719
Yeah, but we know it was
not normally in the bathroom. No,

631
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.360
it was. No, it wouldn't
fit normally in the bathroom. The

632
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.800
blue pajama pants were found in the
hamper, and the outfit that she had

633
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:15.559
on the previous evening was found in
her closet. Later, Scott woke up

634
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.880
around eight am and he had a
bowl of cereal. He had some like

635
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.840
penguin puffs from Trader Joe's I believe. Lazy had gone to Trader Joe's the

636
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:30.280
day before and had stocked them up. A Lazy ate a piece of toast

637
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:34.480
with Scott. She had been having
some nadgea in the morning, so she

638
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.239
knew like the more she ate in
the morning, the better she would feel

639
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.920
throughout the day. There were some
searches on the computer between eight forty and

640
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:46.199
eight forty five while Scott was in
the shower, Lazy search for an umbrella

641
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:52.000
stand, a sunflower umbrella stand I
believe, and a red gap scarf.

642
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.679
However, a forensic analysis of the
computer was never done. That's an important

643
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.280
thing to point out because there's been
and you know, some theories. Did

644
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.719
Lacy really do the searches or did
Scott just do those search well? And

645
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.760
wasn't there right after those searches,
didn't somebody log onto Scott's email account as

646
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:14.880
well on that computer. And I
told me this, and I cannot verify

647
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.119
that, but I chose. I
saw that in the testimony, and I

648
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:22.119
believe it was the email account that
Scott used when he would communicate with Amber,

649
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.920
So it was not an email account
that I don't that I think Lacey

650
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:30.760
would have known the password to or
have normally accessed. So he did that

651
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:36.199
on their shared on that same computer. Yeah, right after the searches for

652
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:40.960
the sunflower whatever it was. Yeah, two minutes after that, somebody logged

653
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:46.000
down to his email from that computer. Martha Stewart Living was on the TV

654
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:52.039
before Scott left, and he would
later recall that Martha was talking about meringues,

655
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:59.280
which is important to note because it
establishes helps to establish the timeline.

656
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:05.000
YEP. Scott said he left home
to go fishing around nine thirty am because

657
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.400
it was too cold to play golf, and we need to talk about that

658
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.800
for a minute. Yes, so
his plan allegedly had been to play golf.

659
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.239
He was a member of the country
club. I'm not sure who he

660
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.800
was supposed to play with. That's
something that I have not been able to

661
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.039
find. I don't know. I
have not read that either. Did he

662
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.159
just go to the club and play
by himself or did he cancel plans with

663
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.559
a family member or a friend?
Yeah, good question. I don't know.

664
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:30.079
But it's a very odd thing to
say it was too cold to go

665
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:36.519
golfing, but going out on the
San Francisco Bay would be yeah, perfectly

666
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:39.519
fine. Yeah, And is it
ever too cold to play golf? Like

667
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:44.519
would the course have closed? I
mean not unless it was like snowing or

668
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:46.760
you know, yeah, or raining
really hard. I believe the weather that

669
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.159
day was a high of fifty two
and maybe ten to fifteen mile per hour

670
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.719
wind, so it was brisk for
sure. So Scott said he left at

671
00:46:54.800 --> 00:47:00.559
nine thirty, but the Martha Stewart
Maraine segment actually aired at night for ninety

672
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.880
eight. It's funny how those numbers
are sticking in our heads. And Scott

673
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:10.960
retrieved a voicemail at ten o eight, I believe on his way to his

674
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.920
warehouse somewhere. It pinged off of
a location close to his house, and

675
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.159
so the prosecution would end up would
claim that that meant he was either at

676
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.079
home or very close to home at
that point in time. So we don't

677
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:28.920
know for sure exactly where he was, but we can safely say he was

678
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.119
either at home or on his way
to his warehouse at ten o eight.

679
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:35.400
I could have been walking to his
truck. I think someone said he possibly

680
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.920
he took phone calls in his front
yard alone. Okay, Scott filled a

681
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.480
mop bucket for Lazy before he left
again. You know, she was pretty

682
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:45.800
pregnant and it was probably heavy,
so he's like, oh, let me

683
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.840
fill that up for you. So
Lacey's plans for the day she was going

684
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.760
to mop the house, she was
going to go do a little bit of

685
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.960
grocery shopping, and she was going
to make gingerbread cookies before having dinner at

686
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.920
her mom's house that night. Okay, the housekeeper, they had a housekeeper,

687
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.000
only they had hired her recently.
I think that she had only been

688
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.280
to the house four times at this
point. She came every other week,

689
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:14.159
and the housekeeper had been there the
previous day and she had mopped the whole

690
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:16.320
house. So a lot of people
point to the mop bucket, saying,

691
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:22.039
did Lacey mop because your housekeeper did
the day before? Why would Lacey need

692
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:24.159
to mop again? Yeah? And
what was Scott's response to that was he

693
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.639
just because Lacey was a really like, she really liked things. She was

694
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.960
a meticulous housekeeper. I believe the
housekeeper later said that, no, I'm

695
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:36.000
not so sure that Lacey mopped in
between my visits. But they did have

696
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:37.639
a you know, a big dog. It had been raining a lot,

697
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:44.840
and she Lacey was as you know, she was going to have the family

698
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:49.639
over for brunch on Christmas morning,
right, and so I think it is

699
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.760
possible that she was mopping. This
is where it starts to get sticky,

700
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:59.280
and the timeline is becomes very important. A neighbor reported that they returned a

701
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.599
leashed to my Kenzie to the Peterson's
backyard after she found him in the road

702
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:07.920
at ten eighteen. So this time
was confirmed by a receipt from the grocery

703
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.119
store. Not confirmed, but you
know, we know, like the window

704
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.599
was between probably ten fifteen and ten
twenty at the latest. The defense later

705
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:20.440
tried to dispute a little bit like
whether the time was accurate on the receipt

706
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.599
or not. But if the time
on the receipt was accurate, then we

707
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.400
can pinpoint it pretty closely, Like
you said, within a few minutes of

708
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.360
ten eighteen. You know, I
guess that's a valid point. I didn't

709
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:32.119
think about that, because a grocery
store receipt is only as accurate as the

710
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:37.440
computer that prints out the grocery receipt. And we're talking twenty one years ago.

711
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.760
Yeah, they probably you know.
Yeah, Yeah, And the defense

712
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.960
actually did go and find out that
it was something that was set manually.

713
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:45.480
It wasn't like, you know,
set over the Internet or something like that

714
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.440
at that point in time, so
it was it is possible that it was

715
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.119
off, but I think it would
still only be a matter of a few

716
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:57.840
moments. Yeah, So I think
that leaves maybe ten like a ten minute

717
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.480
window where Lacey could have disappeared.
Does that seem about right for you?

718
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.559
Yeah, because if he really made
that call at ten oh eight from either

719
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.280
from the driveway or had just left
the house or whatever, then yeah,

720
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:15.400
ten eighteen, it's a pretty small
window. So that's one of the biggest

721
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.840
questions. Did Lacey go for the
walk or did she not. At least

722
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:23.880
ten people and as many as twenty
reported seeing Lacey walking Mackenzie on Christmas Eve.

723
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:29.480
We will circle back to this.
When Scott arrived at his warehouse,

724
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.280
which is only four minutes from the
house. Sorry, no, not four

725
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.159
minutes, four miles from the house, about an eight minute drive, he

726
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.119
said he organized the office and emailed
his boss. He was on the computer

727
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:44.280
from ten thirty to ten fifty six, and that is verified. He put

728
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.400
together a mortiser, which is a
woodworking tool. Can you elaborate on that

729
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:51.119
at all? Nope, because I
really don't know what it is, okay,

730
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.480
And we know that he likely did
do it then, because I believe

731
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:59.480
he looked up instructions on the internet. He left for the Bay, which

732
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.920
is a ninety mile track to the
Berkeley Marina. Scott said he cut his

733
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.920
knuckle on the toolbox in his truck, and he later told police they you

734
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.960
might find some blood in my truck
because you know, I nicked my knuckle

735
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.119
on my toolbox. There was a
sharp metal edge, so yeah, I

736
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.960
probably have some blood on my sho
goold to get out in front of that,

737
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.440
and they did find blood, but
you know, it really seemed like

738
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.679
the mount of blood that they found
was consistent with a cut on your knuckle,

739
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.400
and it was his blood that they
found, right, it was his

740
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.000
blood. They found no other blood
in his vehicle. At eleven eighteen,

741
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.760
Scott left for the marina and arrived
at twelve fifty four and he got the

742
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:45.360
boat launch ticket which verified his arrival. He was done by two eleven.

743
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.800
He only fished for an hour and
sixteen minutes. He later told police he

744
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:55.119
was near Brooks Island and on December
eighth, Scott had searched for the island

745
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:01.760
and only three people were at the
marina that day and had used the boat

746
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:07.199
launch. So the dock master remembered
seeing Scott because there were only a handful

747
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.519
of people there that day, and
there were a couple of people that kind

748
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.159
of were poking fun at Scott because
it's the first time that he has backed

749
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.639
up the boat and the trailer and
it took him several minutes, several attempts,

750
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:21.719
which is, you know, it's
tricky to do even though it's a

751
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.159
small boat, and they were,
you know, we're kind of watching him

752
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:29.039
and they saw into the boat.
So that's something we need to talk about,

753
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.480
is you know, was the boat
cover on the boat at this point,

754
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:36.199
because the boat did have you know, like a nice tot cover,

755
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.559
which I believed he must have had
on the boat when he was traveling down

756
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:43.760
the highway, right, Yeah,
but we don't really know if it was

757
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.920
on when he was at the marina. Normally you would think he would take

758
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.920
it off before you put the boat
in the water. I believe they took

759
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.440
it off and he bunched it up. And in the back of his truck.

760
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.480
Did he put in the back or
was it in the boat? Did

761
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.920
he cover up like where Lacey's body
goes. I know that the neck like

762
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.000
that night, it was in the
back of his truck, But whether he

763
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.840
put it there then or later,
I don't know. You would you would

764
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.719
think that if someone was walking by
that they would notice a body. And

765
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:14.280
that's why I was thinking maybe he
used the boat cover right, kind of

766
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:16.679
cover Offlay's body. Yeah, because
it wasn't a big boat. I mean,

767
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.920
it was fairly shallow. There were
I know, like when the trial

768
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.880
happened and everything. The prosecution they
did like testing where they had a woman

769
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:29.519
who was about Lacey's size and they
would put her at various places in the

770
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:31.760
boat, and so she could you
know, she could fit in the boat

771
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.960
for sure and be kind of under
the seats, under the seat or under

772
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:38.559
the side of the boat. But
you're right, it wasn't a big boat,

773
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:42.679
so if you were looking into the
boat, you would probably see something

774
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.199
in there if there was a body. So if Lacy was with Scott,

775
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:51.639
was she you know people have was
she wrapped and plastic like in you know,

776
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.000
shrink wrap, because there was a
roll of shrink wrap in the warehouse

777
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.880
that later on. I'm getting a
whole ahead of myself a little bit,

778
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:01.599
but a cadaver dog, I believe, alerted on it, and then there

779
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:07.880
was maybe chicken wire. My guess
is that it was just a tarp that

780
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:13.440
was yeah, because yeah, and
there were tarps, Like he had umbrellas

781
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.760
in the back of the of the
truck that had tarps wrapped around them,

782
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.239
and he had the boat cover,
which you could also consider a tarp,

783
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.519
so he had different ways that he
could have possibly covered. Asked her body

784
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:28.239
a little bit, Yeah, and
I did think the umbrellas there are three

785
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.239
umbrellas, right, umbrellas had a
pool, so it's not you know,

786
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:36.960
they probably had a lot of umbrellas, umbrellas. Would you would you wrap

787
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:38.840
your umbrella in a tarp? I
wouldn't. I mean, I know you

788
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:42.159
wouldn't. That's why I was like, I can't imagine why you would if

789
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.519
you especially if he was just taken
the warehouse to the warehouse, right,

790
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.360
there would be no reason to do
that. The prosecution would later claim that

791
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.079
the fact that he put umbrellas around
or tarps around the umbrellas, was a

792
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:57.280
way for him to cover if someone
saw him putting the body in the truck.

793
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.159
Well, and a neighbor did see
him standing in the bed of his

794
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:01.840
truck while he was still at home, and he just smiled and said,

795
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:08.159
good morning. Yeah. My thought
like, Lacey's you know, she's not

796
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.280
a tall person, but you know, she's at least one hundred and fifty

797
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.960
pounds and she's you know, got
her belly. And I'm just like,

798
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.920
how did he get her body to
the truck? Yeah, because he couldn't

799
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.320
pull his truck into the garage either, right, he would have just had

800
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.639
to back his truck up to the
garage and yeah, put her body in

801
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:29.480
from there. A bigger and he's
not I guess I'm not sure how tall.

802
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.880
He's like over six feet. I
think he was around six feet tall

803
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:37.280
and two hundred pounds if I've read
his accurate. Sorry, I'm just left

804
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.559
because I know you just googled that. We do it. We do what

805
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.480
we gotta do. No, I
mean that was yes. Yeah, so

806
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:51.440
even at that you know height,
yeah, you know, carrying carrying a

807
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:53.679
body. Yeah, I'm sure he
was pretty fit though, like with his

808
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:58.079
job and everything, he probably had
to carry a lot of heavy stuff around,

809
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.800
heavy bags of manure and stuff like
that. I looked a little pudgy

810
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.639
to me. But well, some
people think that Scott put Lacey in the

811
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.400
tool the toolbox. Yes, that
was in his truck, and that's how

812
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.559
he cut his hand. And that
was another one of the photos that the

813
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:15.239
prosecution took of the woman that they
had stand in. They had her lay

814
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:19.519
in the toolbox and she fit in
there pretty comfortably. Yeah. So about

815
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:24.519
two fifteen, Scott heads back to
Modesto and that's when we have the uh,

816
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:30.400
I hey, beautiful call, and
I we're not We've talked about this

817
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.119
because so many of these calls you've
heard a million times that I can't hear

818
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:36.239
it again. So I'm just going
to have you read it real quick.

819
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.039
Oh I can't wait. Hey,
beautiful, I just left a message at

820
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:43.599
home. It's two fifteen. I'm
leaving Berkeley. I won't be able to

821
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.039
get to Vella Farms to get that
basket for Papa. I was hoping you

822
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:50.039
would get this message and go on
out there. I'll see you in a

823
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.519
bit, sweetie, Love you bye. I hate you after reading that.

824
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:58.400
I hate myself reading that. So
a lot of people say, that's not

825
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.760
how you leave a message for your
wife. What do you think about that?

826
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.880
I don't know. It could be
every you know, every couple is

827
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.239
different than a different style and actually
leave me that message. I think you

828
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.239
would. Yeah, I don't think
it sounds that weird to me. I'm

829
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:14.719
not defending him, but I'm just
saying, like, you would definitely leave

830
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.239
me that message. I think twenty
years of marriage, I think you still

831
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.199
leave me nice messages and you call
me nice things. Usually I just text

832
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.000
you nowadays. But it's true.
But I mean, I don't think that

833
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:27.920
that would have No. I don't
think that was crazy, out of the

834
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.519
ordinary type of message. What did
enrage me, though, is like,

835
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:35.079
oh, hey, babe, sorry, I told you that I would get

836
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.639
that fruit basket for your grandfather.
Instead, I went fishing an hour and

837
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:43.280
a half away from home, and
just to add things to your to do

838
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.280
list. And you're very pregnant.
On Christmas Eve, traffic is going to

839
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:52.719
be a complete nightmare. But hey, did you mind getting to be that?

840
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.679
That really made me mad. I'm
like, you don't know, Yeah,

841
00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:01.400
that's not a cool I really try
my heart and you're actually very kind

842
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:05.519
and you run the air. But
on Christmas Eve, because I worked in

843
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.159
retail for a long time, yeah, well I don't. I try not

844
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:12.440
to leave the house. Yeah,
but sometimes you'll just go pick up whipped

845
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.599
cream or whatever we need. So
Scott dropped the boat back off at the

846
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:20.840
warehouse and then he headed home.
I think he got through it about four

847
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:25.000
forty five. He was surprised when
he saw Mackenzie outside with his leash on,

848
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.239
which so Karen Service is the name
of the neighbor that put the dog

849
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.440
back in the yard. And then
she closed the gate, and I was

850
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.920
kind of irritated, like, come
on, Karen, you don't put a

851
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.800
dog, you don't you take the
leash? Like poor poor Mackenzie really could

852
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.159
have gotten wrapped around a tree or
gotten hurt or strangled. So McKenzie was

853
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:52.239
fine. Scott went in the house
and he saw the mops and the buckets,

854
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:58.119
and he dumped the buckets out and
he put them on their deck or

855
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:01.119
patio, and then he stripped down. He put his clothes that he'd been

856
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:06.800
wearing in the washer, started the
washer, ate a slice of cold pizza.

857
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.079
It had a swig of milk,
and then he went to the shower.

858
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.159
What do you think about cold pizza
and milk? First of all,

859
00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:14.679
like, that's a crime. Yeah, I mean, cold pizzas great,

860
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:17.039
but milk. I like cold pizzas
Okay, with the cold pizza, it's

861
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.480
the pizza with him. Yeah,
that's really weird. It's kind of weird.

862
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.639
But when he got home, her
Lacey's car was in the driveway,

863
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:28.280
right, but he just assumed that
she was with her mom, Yes,

864
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.639
which seemed kind of weird that he, like, I don't know, he

865
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:35.320
called left a message she wasn't there
yet, but yeah, and then he

866
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.760
just comes home and he puts his
clothes in the washer and does all this

867
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:43.880
stuff and showers and everything before he
tries to figure out where she's at.

868
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:47.880
Right, to me, that's a
little suspicious, but we can we can

869
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:53.400
move on and well again sometimes And
this was how I approached the case until

870
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.800
I sat down with it. I
was like, well, you know,

871
00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:59.920
her mom is just two miles down
the road and she's, you know,

872
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.360
you to help with the dinner,
and she knows that Scott's going to be

873
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:05.039
driving over later. So maybe Sharon
was just like, hey, Lace,

874
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.800
I'm going to pick you up and
you can help me, you know,

875
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.760
yea possible take dinner and you know
you can just drive home with Scott later.

876
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:16.079
So you know, I think they
were closed. They did things like

877
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:21.920
like Sharon spent a lot of time
with Lacy and so that to me at

878
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:27.760
that point didn't bring any bells.
So doing his laundry right when he got

879
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.679
home, I mean, that's definitely
fishy. Yeah. He said he was

880
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:35.239
gross and he was smelly from fishing, well like you fish for an hour,

881
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.480
and he said it he was wet
because it had been raining. The

882
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:43.320
dock master said it had not rained, correct, But if you're on the

883
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:47.119
water and get some spray on you, possible. But yeah, still a

884
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.480
little bit, I don't know.
But still if you start the washer as

885
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.840
soon as you get home and there's
only I believe there was only his clothing

886
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:57.719
in there. That's that's definitely a
little fishy. He said that a lot

887
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:00.760
of times when he got home he
would take a shower when he was working

888
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.199
because he was with the pesticides and
Lacey was pregnant, and so he would

889
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:06.559
wash his clothes right away. Like
that made sense. But yeah, fair

890
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.960
enough, he wasn't really, I
guess he was did go to the warehouse,

891
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:15.159
but still that was later later there
the crime scene photos. I saw

892
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:20.480
a picture of their hamper, and
their hamper was overflowing with clothes, So

893
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.440
I think I would you would definitely
get scolded. Well, it would get

894
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.800
scolded for starting a lot, but
a couple of things in the in the

895
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.280
washer when there's a bunch of other
stuff, it could have gone. And

896
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:31.360
yeah, you can wash all of
those clothes. Nuts, when's the last

897
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:34.559
time he did a little laundry by
that? It's been a couple a few

898
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:37.400
years, a couple of decades.
Uh So five point fifteen, Scott got

899
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:42.679
out of the shower and called Sharon. She told him to check with friends

900
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.320
and neighbors. So, you know
a lot of people are like five fifteen.

901
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:46.440
So he's been home for half an
hour and it takes him half an

902
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:50.440
hour to figure out, oh,
I should probably check him with. Sharon.

903
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.719
Scott called Stacy and Arne, who
are two of Lacey's best friends,

904
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:59.119
and checked with Karen Service, the
neighbor. She wasn't home, so he

905
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.960
left to know, and I think
he checked with a couple of other neighbors,

906
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.320
but it was pretty quick, and
Sharon was like, hmm, you

907
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.920
know, how many people did you
check with? She didn't already. She

908
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:15.239
was kind of like she thought that, you know, he would have checked

909
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:19.239
with more neighbors, he would have
called more people. Sharon said, go

910
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.840
to the park and I'll meet you
there, because I guess they assumed,

911
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:24.800
you know, Lacey had taken Mackenzie
for a walk, and so they were

912
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.159
going to try to, you know, see if they could find Lacey in

913
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.239
the park. So I think Sharon
went to the park and then she was

914
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:36.599
like, Ron, you call the
police. So Ron her husband. I'm

915
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.039
not sure at what point they were
married. I think they were boyfriend girlfriend

916
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:42.400
for a long time. So anyway, at five forty seven, Ron called

917
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.199
the police. And Ron was close
with Lacey and he refers to her as

918
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:51.559
his daughter and at six pm,
the police arrived at the Peterson home.

919
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:55.159
One thing that was suspicious is Scott
had that marine a receipt like in his

920
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.719
pocket. He's like, oh,
here, here's I was at the marina.

921
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.039
I'll right off it right up to
them without them asking anything. It

922
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:05.639
was a little suspicious that. I
don't think it's suspicious that he had the

923
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:07.760
receipt. I think it is a
little odd that he had in his pocket.

924
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:12.199
Yeah, because I think you would
have crumpled it. I know what

925
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.559
you would have done. You would
have taken the receipt, crumpled it and

926
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:16.840
thrown it overhoulder into your back seat. Yes, and it would have stayed

927
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:22.119
there for two months until until I
cleaned your car up for you. But

928
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.239
yeah, it's I mean, maybe
it was folded up and put it in

929
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:28.760
his wall, but even putting it
in your wallet seems odd to me.

930
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:34.719
Yeah. Okay, So search dogs
and helicopters were quickly dispatched to search for

931
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.039
lazy and these poor people. It's
Christmas Eve. They're at home, cozy

932
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:43.960
and other fire eating cookies and they
get this call like all hands on deck.

933
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:45.639
Yeah, a pregnant woman is missing. Well, you know, all

934
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.679
credit to them for doing that so
quickly too, because you know, as

935
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:52.719
we've talked about many times, a
lot of people are under the mistaken assumption

936
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:57.239
that you have to wait twenty four
hours when an adult missing person before you

937
01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:00.199
report them. But in this situation, they were like, Okay, it's

938
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.920
a very pregnant woman. We need
to get out there and start right away.

939
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.280
Yeah, and they really did to
their credit. And you know,

940
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:10.639
even if you have anyone missing and
you think, oh, I have to

941
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:13.239
wait till I call, just call, the worst thing they can tell you

942
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.920
is, you know, we're not
going to take care of that. So

943
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:19.639
by eleven PM, the police are
all over the house. They took crime

944
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:25.719
scene photos as well as photos of
Scott's office and the boat, and Scott

945
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:30.440
was questioned until one thirty am.
At the end of the interview, Detective

946
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:33.360
al b RUKINI looked at Scott in
the eye and said, we all get

947
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:38.840
the bastard that did this to Lacey, and maybe we'll talk. I think

948
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.039
we're gonna end care for now.
I just had a couple of things in

949
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:44.440
though there were a couple other things. Yeah, I'm sure you have things

950
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.559
in that time span that we're also
seen as suspicious by the officers. So

951
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:54.840
one when they were questioning him in
his house, he was very particular about

952
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:57.559
them using coasters on the table,
which they were like, that's a little

953
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.239
odd that that's your concern or that
that's odd, but I interested, I

954
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.880
think it's a little bit odd.
But the other thing too is they asked

955
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:08.400
for some items of Lacey's so that
they could have a scent dog look,

956
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:10.559
and he gave them a few things, but he was like, are you

957
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.199
can I get a receipt for those
like and they were like, that's weird.

958
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.519
Have never had somebody ask for a
receipt for items like that. Again,

959
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:19.880
I do not want to be a
scout apologist, but there are some

960
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.400
things that people think weird, and
I'm like, I don't know if that's

961
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:28.400
that weird. One thing that happened
Al BROKINI, who I think is good

962
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:33.639
at his job, he automatically thought
that Scott was guilty and Scott, I

963
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:40.880
think pretty quickly copped an attitude because
he heard Brokeini on the phone saying yeah,

964
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:44.000
it's the husband, And I think
after that he was just you know,

965
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:47.360
gonna He wanted to be a needle, a thorn in his side.

966
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:51.679
And he was that's fair I And
I also think that Scott was very meticulous

967
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:55.320
with his things, like he was. He took care of his things,

968
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.280
and so you can understand that he
might want to get a receipt, and

969
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:01.039
I think that would actually come back. We'll talk about later a different situation

970
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:05.480
where he normally would have been meticulous
with something and wasn't, which you know,

971
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:12.639
goes against my wife's heart. But
well, and Brokini also made a

972
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:16.079
big deal out of Scott didn't want
him like he was opening his truck doors

973
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.320
and he was gonna hit Lacey's car
with it, and BROKINI just was like,

974
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:25.719
that's your concern, And yeah,
I mean that's just primary concern absolutely

975
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.400
should have been let's find my wife
as soon as possible. I don't care

976
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:30.719
about anything but finding my wife.
But he didn't want his truck doors banged

977
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:35.440
up. But I also always remind
people about my like when you open with

978
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:40.000
the kids, like open the door
carefully. Yeah, I mean I kind

979
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.679
of get that. And one other
final thing I wanted to mention that from

980
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.559
that night that was also a little
bit suspicious is when he was in Detective

981
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:50.880
Brokini's office being questioned that night,
he got a call on his cell phone

982
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:57.559
from Amy, from Lacey's sister,
and the way he answered it this was

983
01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:01.320
something that later the jury would point
to as that they thought was a little

984
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:04.639
bit odd. But you know,
your wife is missing. It's twelve thirty

985
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:09.800
pm or twelve thirty am, right
right after midnight. You would think you

986
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:13.199
get a call from Lazy's sister,
you would immediately pick it up, being

987
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.559
like, is there news, what's
happening? And he just kind of casually

988
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:18.039
put the phone up. Yeah,
hey, Amy, what's going on?

989
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:25.280
Yeah, very casual. Well you
can we're going to keep talking about Scott

990
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:30.320
and his demeanor, and yeah,
he absolutely, But he's at the police

991
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:33.000
station. So what's Amy going to
tell him that the police station isn't going

992
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:35.039
to tell him? Well, they
might have found her. They were out

993
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:39.320
looking, right, so you know, I would think the police station would

994
01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:43.119
know that before Amy would. At
the end of the interview, which you

995
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:46.000
know, like I think it was
one thirty am, Sharon was worried about

996
01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:49.119
Scott and she was like, hey, you know, why didn't you come

997
01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:54.639
over and we're you know, I
think they're probably having some coffee and you

998
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.920
know, no one Sharon was like, no one's going to be sleeping because

999
01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:58.920
we're going to be up all night
looking for lazy and Scott was like,

1000
01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:01.880
yeah, I'm headed home. I'm
gonna I'm really tired. Yeah, So

1001
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.960
that I mean really yeah, There's
so many things in his behavior that we

1002
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:09.199
can talk about, and some of
them are you know, people behave in

1003
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:13.320
different ways when they're under stress and
when you know, something like this happens.

1004
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:15.679
So some of them, I think
you can say, yeah, we

1005
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.560
don't know how you would behave in
that situation, but there was there's enough

1006
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:24.239
of those things that it's just you
know, definitely makes him look pretty bad.

1007
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:29.239
Oh yeah, he looks horrible.
But also like what if he was

1008
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.079
play acting too, Like if he
would have been too emotional, people would

1009
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.920
have been like, oh, he's
acting. Yeah. So in a lot

1010
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:39.159
of these cases, Scott Peterson can't
win, right, He's not gonna win.

1011
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:44.079
He shouldn't win. But he's just
every little thing he does under a

1012
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:46.880
microscope. That's something I wanted to
talk about too, is like, why

1013
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:49.760
did this case blow up the way? It is so huge? It was,

1014
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:54.079
I mean it was huge, like
we were going to the war with

1015
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:58.359
Iraq, but it was still the
number one story. Yeah, yeah,

1016
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:02.319
yeah, I mean people obviously love
story about a you know, missing woman,

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01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:08.000
attractive young woman. But I don't
know why this particular story blew up

1018
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:11.720
like so much bigger than almost any
other story of this type, I know,

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01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:15.239
literally any other story. I mean
I was thinking about this. I

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mean John Benny Ramsey, O.
J. Simpson, Scott and Lacy Peterson,

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01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.119
the I mean the Watts family murders, which was, you know,

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01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:27.439
a decade later, almost two decades
later, but yeah, those, I

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think with this one, it was
like when when the whole Amber Fry angle

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01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:32.680
came out, that just added a
whole nother layer to it, and it

1025
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:36.279
just there was always something coming out, and then when the bodies were found,

1026
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:41.439
so it was just kind of a
constant. Like NC. Nancy Grace,

1027
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:46.600
she was all over this case and
all over Scott. She really she

1028
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.439
did. She did not like Scott
very much. Did you ever listen to

1029
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:55.840
the when Scott's dad went on Nancy
Grace? There was so much to digest

1030
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:59.680
in this case. I did not
listen to a ton of the audio clips

1031
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.680
because I I felt like I'd heard
a lot of it before, and because

1032
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:08.319
it wasn't just Nancy Grace. It
was like Greta van Sustern, and I

1033
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:12.279
mean Larry King. Yeah, the
rest in peace Larry King, because I

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01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:15.960
I did enjoy the Larry King.
Yeah. Yeah, there was just Sawyer.

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01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.920
I've got some clips we'll play in
part two where she had Scott Peterson,

1036
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:25.119
Barbara Walters. Yeah, I mean
they were everywhere. Becau. Scott

1037
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:29.079
didn't do any interviews for such a
long time, but then he just couldn't

1038
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.560
get enough of them and they all
made him look horrible. Yeah yeah,

1039
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:34.840
all right, Well that's all we
have for today, right, that's good.

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01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:39.039
Just one other thing I wanted to
mention before we close, and that

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01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:44.479
is that every month we take at
least twenty five percent of our proceeds from

1042
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.800
advertising and Patreon and donate it to
a charity. We haven't talked about it

1043
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:51.479
yet, it's already middle of December, but we did make a donation this

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01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:57.680
month to an organization called No Kid
Hungry. Just great organization, especially for

1045
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:00.479
this time of year, the holiday
season. So if you're looking for somewhere

1046
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.479
to donate to, that's a great, great option. But we just wanted

1047
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:06.680
to mention that and thank all of
you because we couldn't do it without you.

1048
01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:11.760
Yeah, literally, and we're so
grateful and it's just very humbling that

1049
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.159
we were able to do that every
month. And when you hear our annoying

1050
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:18.520
little ads, just know that they're
going to hopefully do some good in the

1051
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:25.199
world. Yeah. So we were
a week before Christmas. Yeah, did

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01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:27.800
you when you were a kid?
Did you ever peak at your Christmas presents?

1053
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.479
I did a couple of times.
I did. I was horrible.

1054
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.439
My yeahm is listening. Yeah,
I sure did. I sure did.

1055
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:39.239
That was bad. Yeah, but
in some way that was good because then

1056
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:43.800
it like kind of tempered your disappointment, like, oh, okay, that's

1057
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:46.239
what I'm getting, all right,
Yeah, be prepared to when I open

1058
01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:50.640
them to act excited. I do
not, however, peak now. I

1059
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.880
don't think there's anything the peak out. Well, the biggest problem we have

1060
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:59.760
now is packages come to the door. We both order things online, and

1061
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:01.319
it's like stuff comes to the door. You don't always know who it's for,

1062
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.880
or they're packages that have like the
name of whatever it is you bought

1063
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:09.720
right on the package, which drives
me crazy, and you'll go out and

1064
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:12.960
see something I bought or whatever.
Yeah, well, I think we already

1065
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.880
mentioned this, but when our male
lady left the boxes under our mailbox,

1066
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.319
I was like, are you kidding
me? But in retrospect, I understand

1067
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:24.079
if you have to deliver hundreds,
it's I'm sure it gets it's exhausting.

1068
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:28.119
I used to hide. But I
don't even bought. Like, I know

1069
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:30.279
you've probably seen a couple of things
I bought already. I don't think so,

1070
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:32.680
No, you don't think so.
Well, Like everything is in like

1071
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:39.359
our storage room, and our cats
get angry if any door grows closed.

1072
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:44.399
So I have only wrapped a handful
of things and anyway, Yeah, it's

1073
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:47.039
it's all, It's all there.
So but one week away, one week

1074
01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:51.479
away till the big big deal Santa
Claus comes. Yeah. I asked both

1075
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:56.640
of our kids, who are older, if they still believe in Santa,

1076
01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:00.399
and our daughter was like, of
course I do, and our son was

1077
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:03.439
like, eh, I'm like are
you. Eventually he was like, yes,

1078
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:06.319
of course, yes, Mom,
I believe in Stanton. So good

1079
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:10.079
to hear, good to hear?
Yeah, all right, Well until I

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hope everyone's doing well there. Yeah. I will be back with part two

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01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:17.239
of this story on Christmas Day.
Christmas Day, what better way to spend

1082
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:23.640
your let everyone celebrates Christmas and some
people wondering if anyone has taken us Christmas

1083
01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:27.640
shopping with them or on your Christmas
walks. But we hope you're having a

1084
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:30.960
great holiday season and don't stress out. It'll all get done. It's all

1085
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.960
going to be fine. I'm talking
to myself. Yeah, I know,

1086
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:39.079
it's all going to be fine.
All right, Well, until next time,

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01:13:39.159 --> 01:14:23.119
don't kill your husband and don't kill
your wife to pick the