Laci and Scott Peterson - Part 1

0:00 Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm Rich. And if there's one thing we've learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's that some days you'll feel like killing your wife, and some days you'll feel like killing your husband. Welcome to love, Mary, kill my w Tonights are taken up by static stress and holiday shopping traffic, and I close my eyes and I'm somewhere else, just like magic. In my heart is a Christmas rey fawn where the people would come to dance un to sparkles and lights, bundled up in the midtens and coats and de side ould flow, and I just want to be there Tonight. We dreams of Holly rib and mistakes I forgave, and herd is icy and blue. Hey, Rich, how are you? I'm doing pretty good? How are you? I'm a little stressed out. We're a little behind that time of year. I am at our sincerest apologies to our patrons, because we are not really not really. You were traveling this week and this week. I'm not sure why we decided to do this case because it's a ton of work and it was your idea. Oh yeah, it was

1:33 my idea, and I'm sorry, but hopefully we'll do a good job. It is a tough time of year, and you do take care of everybody and everything, so you have a lot on your plate. Well, and so do you. I mean you've, like you said, you were traveling and so anyway, I've just been a little stressed and a little anxious. But hopefully we will get this done today and we'll feel better. Yeah, and our big apologies to our patrons because this is not early no, and we did our best, but we just we just couldn't make it happen in this case, which we really like to research as much as we can, and I think our deadlines are tighter than they used to be. And so you did a lot of I'm not sure how you did it, but I know you read a lot more than I did. Well. This case is so complicated and there's so much been written about it, and there's so many opinions really strongly either way, that it's a little intimidating to try to do this case. But you want to tell people about what your idea was for why we're doing this case. The Peterson project brilliant. People might hate it.

2:38 I just you know, you always hear about Scott Peterson and Michael Peterson Andrew Peterson. So we were just going to do all the Peterson cases, which I don't know if you came across this in your research. There was in the Scott Peterson case, there was a lot of Peterson's that weren't related. Oh yeah, the pathologists who testified there're at least four people when the book that I read that were like, no relation. It's a very popular name, very popular name, popular name for people who have murdered other people or at least been accused of it. Well, I think there's a lot of really nice Peterson's on the world. I'm sure we need to disclaimers. So yeah, I think our next several episodes, if we can get it together. I'm going to be honest, we are struggling a little bit with our with our lives and getting things done, and uh, it's it's been a little challenging and maintaining our and our mental health and in our relationship with each other and our children and they're both here, which is lovely. It's it's tough. And I'm sure anyone who is listening can relate that the holiday season is a juggle, and you know, sometimes the holiday season brings up some not so pleasant memories too. And true, we do have some family members that we are stranged from, and that is that's a tough thing to deal with. So we're not going to get into that. But you just know that we're doing our very best and we're probably we're not we're not planning on taking any time off. But if you don't see an episode on a Monday, it's not because we're not trying, just because we need a little

4:10 time. We're actually taking a little bit of a different approach with today's case as well. So usually one of us does the research, writes up the case, the other one doesn't know about it or tries not to know anything about it. But this one, we decided we're going to kind of do it together, which is going to be interesting. We collaborate on a lot of things in life, but we decided to collaborate in this case. Oh, we really haven't collaborated. We have it and so this might be a complete train wreck. It might be because we both did our own research and we didn't have time to cooliate our research. Yeah, and I feel like with this case, like you could research this literally for six months and not be an expert on it. There's just so much. Oh, we could do fifty two episodes on it, for sure, but we don't want to do that, like fifteen or so, right, No, our plan is too and I think that we'll probably be able to do that. Could stretch into three. Yeah, we'll see. But we did make some cookies and it's not a spice because we collaborated with the cookies too. So I'm really hungry, but I did make It's a cookie I've made before, but I really love making the brown bugget brown butter chocolate chip cookies are my favorite.

5:18 Just stuff some Christmas m and m's in there and you're good to go and you're. Probably your favorite Christmas cookie is the probably the peanut butter kiss cookies, So the just peanut butter cookie with a hershey kiss everyone to everyone knows what it is. But yeah, definitely one of my favorites the whole family, like if those are definitely always the first thing to go, all right, you want to take a break and eat or do you want to win? Totally want to take a break, all right, right, right back, Well, that's my favorite thing about this time of year. Cookies of cookies, so so good. I'm going to No one is asked, but I'm going to give a couple of cookie tips. Weigh your cookies. And when you're like way your ingredients when you're preparing the cookies, I don't.

6:10 I tend not to use measuring cups anymore. I weigh the ingredients. It's quicker, it's more accurate. Chill your dough, even if the recipe doesn't say to a lot of times, I still chill it because it makes the cookies spread less. What else? What else? Oh, and when you're making your cookies, like if you're rolling them or I always weigh those two because it's nice to have a consistent tray of cookies. When you're making chocolate tip cookies, you always want to put like save a few chocolate tips and put them on the top after they're done baking so they look more bakery fresh. And then you can always take like a little bowl if your cookies are misshapen, when the cookies are out of the oven for about a minute, and you take like like a little plastic bowl and you just kind of help me describe that, you just kind of kind of like swirl the bowl around it too. Yeah, and then it becomes more. So. Those are some of my good tips. And always let your spouse try the cookies to make sure they're okay. You're a good you are a good taster, for sure. That's what I'm here for. Well, they're great, and you are excellent at cookies. As always. You've heard this case before. You've seen the pictures. Lacey's beautiful, warm smile has touched your heart. You've thought of Lacey's mother slowly and painfully coming to terms with the fact that her once beloved son in law has likely killed her daughter. You know about Amber Fry and the most awkward faked phone call in history from the Eiffel Tower.

7:32 But if you're like me, you're not one hundred percent sure of Scott's innocence or guilt. I could see people are probably yelling at me right now of course he's guilty. Well, there are people that feel very strongly the other way too, though, So fun is a little controversial, controversial. I've never deeply delved into the information, so in my head, I guess I was always like, I'm still not one hundred percent sure, But there is a chance that someone other than Scott Peter and killed Lacy and We're going to do our best to explore both sides of this case in the next two episodes. I'm not sure if we're going to have any new information for you, but we wanted to make this a collaboration so we both have the research and so we can both have I think the next two episodes were going to be more of a conversation. Yeah, definitely more conversational. Yeah, a little bit about Modesto. Modesto is the nineteenth largest city in California, with a population just over two hundred thousand. It's located in Stanislaus County, about ninety miles east of San Francisco and seventy miles south of Sacramento. It's almost exactly in the middle of the state. Have you looked at a map. Well, we actually almost moved to Medesta once, did you know that, I mean we did, Ernest Leo gal Yes, I interviewed with Ernest and Julia Gallo when I finished business school and I was like, man, that just sounds like an awesome job. But I didn't get it, so we didn't.

8:56 So he really didn't help let the smood. Yeah, you know, I was going to mention that Modesto but you know, that is the world's largest winery, and it is right there. The economy in Modesto is largely agricultural because of its rich farmland real estate, and the cost of living in Modesto is about twenty percent less than the rest of the state of California. Modesto does have a crime problem, with one hundred and two percent higher crime rate than the US average and an eighty nine percent higher crime rate than the rest of California. Modesto doesn't have a strong local economy and the schools are struggling. Tax rates are high, but lower compared to the rest of California. The movie American Graffiti was partially that's what it does. George Lucas was from there, right, and he based it on his Yeah, his upbringing or whatever. Yeah, so Modesto looks like a really picture picturesque community, but I think they've had a lot of pro problems. Yeah. Well, let's talk a little bit about Scott Peterson's background. So Scott was born on October twenty fourth, nineteen seventy two, in sand Diego, California. His dad, Lee Peterson, worked for a trucking company at the time, and his mom, Jackie ran a small dress boutique. Lee and Jackie each had other kids before Scott was born. Lee had two sons and a daughter from his first marriage. Jackie had two children that she gave up for adoption, Anne Bird and Don Chapman, and then she had another boy, John, who she also considered giving up for adoption before deciding to raise him as a single mother. When Lee married Jackie, he adopted John, and the biological

10:30 fathers of Jackie's first three kids are unknown. Jackie was also going to put the third child up for adoption, but I believe her doctor someone said you can't keep doing this. You are a responsible adult. You can raise this child on your own. Yeah. I don't remember that, but that could be why she changed her mind and decided to raise John. Why didn't she have some Jackie had childhood trauma too. Yeah, her father was actually murdered when she was only two and her mother had a nervous breakdown and he ended up in an orphanage after that. So yeah, definitely some significant trauma. Yeah, that's horrible. Generational trauma is I believe, really real, And I'm not sure how that could have impacted Scott. And yeah, you never know At the time that Scott was born, the family was described as being somewhat is stranged. And I'm not sure if that means that Lee and Jackie were estranged or you know what that actually meant, but it just had the family was somewhat estranged, but apparently Scott's birth brought them back together. His older siblings were excited to have a little brother. They loved carrying Scott around.

11:35 The family would joke that he might never learn to walk. As a child, Scott was quiet and happy. He rarely got into trouble, rarely got angry. He came to be known by Jackie as the golden boy, while his older brother John was considered the rowdy one. Scott had a close relationship with his father, Lee, who would take him fishing and hunting, and also taught him how to play golf. Scott attended the University of San Diego High School, which was a Catholic preparatory school, and during that time he developed a passion for golf. By the time Scott was fourteen, he was already a better golfer than his dad. I think his dad was really excited about that. Yeah, Lee strikes me as well. The whole golden boy image. I think Scott really strived to uphold that golden boy image, and I think his dad put a lot of pressure on him. Yeah, for sure. So Scott had at least two girlfriends during his high school years.

12:28 Stephanie Smith said that she began seeing Scott when he was a senior in high school and she was in tenth grade. He bought her a lot of gifts and flowers, but about four months into their relationship, Stephanie heard rumors that a classmate of hers, Don Hood, had been seen driving Scott's car, and that the two of them had been spotted holding hands. She confronted Scott about it, but he had an explanation. You see, he and Don had swapped cars because he had a new car and she wanted to try it out. And the handholding, I hold hands with lots of my friends. He told her Stephanie wasn't buying it, and she dumped him. He then went out with Don exclusively for the next eight months until he left for college. Don was really focused on clean living, no drugs or alcohol, and while Scott was with her, he committed to the same. I think that's important to point out that Scott seemed to mold his personality to whatever woman he was with. Yes, exactly, We'll see that later, Like with Amber Fry and kind of religion and things like that. He just seemed like he wanted to become whatever the you know, whatever his partner wanted. Don did volunteer work at a facility for children with disabilities, and Scott regularly went to help her out. She later said that Scott was a perfect gentleman when they were together. Scott went to Arizona State University and he wanted to become a pro golfer, but after one semester he left. He said that it was because he didn't like the golf coach, but it's more likely that he realized he didn't quite have what it took to be a touring professional. ASU is one of the best colleges for golfers. In fact, Phil Mickelson was

14:00 there at the same time as Scott. Scott transferred to Questa Junior College in San Luis Obispo, which is about midway between Los Angeles and San Francisco. He went there for a year and a half and he played on the golf team and he made the dean's list. He paid for his own schooling by working, and he didn't date anyone seriously during this time. In nineteen ninety four, he transferred to California Polytechnic State University, where he earned his Bachelor of Science and Agriculture. While there, he only took two classes each semester, and he worked two jobs, one at a golf course and one waiting tables at an upscale cafe in San Luis Obispo. At the cafe, Scott met a waitress named Michelle, and the two dated for a year and a half. Scott started talking marriage, but Michelle saw that Scott became really possessive and domineering, and she ended up breaking things off with him after a fight.

14:52 Michelle later said, quote, Scott did not want to take no for an answer. He would hold all his emotions in for a long time and then have an emotional breakdown. Unquote. When she dumped him, he cried, tried to convince her to take him back, and he showed up at her house a number of times trying to get back with her. Just a few weeks after the breakup with Michelle, Scott met Lacey Roache. I'm going to pick up and talk about Lacey but I have a couple of things I wanted to mention about Scott. He was a He wasn't like a fate. He was a really genuinely good kid. He was a boy scout, a crossing guard. He was the MVP of his high school golf team two times, and I thought it was kind of impressive that he I'm not a scout apologist, don't get me wrong. I just want to point out that until he reminds me of Chris Watts, he was. He seemed like a good kid. Yeah, didn't get it. He really didn't get in trouble.

15:45 Yeah. Well I think that was you know, the nickname the Golden Boy. I think that's why he was like a perfect kid. And I think, you know, like you said earlier, I think he probably felt a lot of pressure to be the perfect kid. Yeah. Everyone liked him, and he paid for his own school and his parents had money, and I thought that was kind of impressive because he didn't have to. But he was like, no, I want to do it. I want to do it on my own, so lazy. Denise Rocha was born in Modesto, California, on May fourth, nineteen seventy five, to Sharon and Dennis Roacha. Her brother, Brent, was born in nineteen seventy one. Lacey was a tiny baby. She only weighed about six pounds. Sharon described Lazy as an easy, happy baby. She was cheerful, bubbly, and talkative, and she was for the rest of her life. If you've seen those pictures of her, she looks like, you know, the just a love and when they just you know, a light. She just really just a beautiful and warm and bubbly Sharon and Dennis Roacha were married for seven years. He was a difficult man and likely and alcoholic. Sharon and Dennis divorced when Lacey was about one. Ron grant Ski, Sharon's longtime boyfriend and then husband, entered Lacey's life when she was about two. From a young age, Lacey could be found in the garden helping her mother. Dennis's parents lived on a dairy farm, and Lacey and Brent loved visiting the farm, where they made many happy childhood memories. Lacey's stepfather nicknamed her JJ for jabber jaws. She could be bossy at times, but she really knew what she wanted out of life.

17:15 Martha Stewart was her idol so Lacey and I are of a similar age, and Martha Stewart was just She's like an icon for a lot of she was and I definitely subscribed to Martha Stewart Living when I was younger, and I watched her show too, so I have that in common with Lacey. Lacey was very social and she loved to entertain. She was meticulous in her appearance. Her hair, nails, and makeup are always done, and she always dressed fashionably. She was popular and active in high school. She was a cheerleader, She played softball and basketball, and she held various jobs in high school too. She worked at a market, a doctor's office, and a restaurant. Lacey started dating her first boyfriend, William kent Gain in high school. Friends knew that he'd pushed her once during an argument, but he was likely more violent than Lazy ever admitted to anyone. They broke up after Lacey's freshman year of college, right before she met Scott. When Lazy disappeared, her brother Brent suggested police look into her ex boyfriend, William. Police knew he wasn't a suspect, however, because William was serving a fifteen year jail sentence, for the attempted murder of another girlfriend, whom he shot in the back during an argument. Oh wow, I did not know about that.

18:32 He kept pictures of Lazy in his cell and was devastated by her death, and reached for comment, he said quote, I had the feeling Scott was no good. I didn't know him personally, but I'd seen him in the diner where he worked. It was just a gut feeling that I had. The way he carried himself. He seemed like a bleep. And I have to see bleep because I don't know what the word would. It was literally said bleep. So I'm going to I'm going to go with douche. But I just it's kind of ironic that this guy is in prison saying Scott was no fu. Yeah he actually. William Kent Gain died in twenty twenty one. Lacey went to college at California Polytechnic University in San Louis Obispo, where she studied ornamental horticulture. Lazy had always loved flowers, especially sunflowers.

19:21 She had a tattoo of a sunflower on her left ankle and worked at a flower shop. While in college. She was named Outstanding Freshman of the Year at cal Polly Wow. Lacey fell in love with Scott at first sight. She saw him while visiting her friend who worked at the Pacific Cafe with Scott. She told her mother that she was going to marry him, and she told her that before she really even met where she before called her She saw him across the room and said he's the one. Lacey gave her number to her friend to give to Scott, and he threw it away thinking it was a joke. But Lacey was serious. She was a really determined young woman and she wasn't afraid to go after what she wanted. She returned to the cafe, letting Scott know she was interested, and Scott was pretty excited, I think because Lazy was beautiful. Scott took Lazy deep sea fishing on their first day, which was a very bad idea. She got seasick and never went fishing again. A few weeks later, Scott invited Lacey and her mom to the Pacific Cafe where he worked. This was the first time he met Sharon. He placed a dozen roses on the table for each woman, red for Lazy and white for Sharon. Scott was a big, big, big believer in roses, but a lot of roses, which I just have a really quick story. I don't love getting roses because I'm not bragging. But when I was I used to work at the store and these two guys both

20:52 liked me, and there was a floral shop and it wasn't like a good floral shop, like you could probably get her, you know, a dozen roses for five dollars, I don't know. It was a long time ago, and they would both like bring me roses all the time, and it was just so annoyed. It got to the point when I was like, I'm not going to go out with either one of you. I don't want the roses anymore. Wow, it was. It was really annoying. Yeah, I know it sounds like, really guys were Bayble, These were guys I was not going to go out with. Yeah, I'm sure you felt uncomfortable. Yeah, it made me really uncomfortable because I was like, I'm not into Like I'm not going to change my mind. Yeah. Anyway, Lazy was spitten, but wasn't aware that Scott was still still trying to win back his ex girlfriend, Michelle, who you had talked about by Christmas However, Michelle had moved away and Lacey moved in with Scott. I think didn't even didn't Scott like bring Lacey into the cafe because Michelle worked there and he was trying to make Michelle jealous by bringing Lacey in at times. Yeah, I think by that point Michelle was like, nah, I'm good, Yeah, I'm moving on that Christmas, Lacey gifted Scott with a Golden Retriever and they named him like Matenzie, which I think a lot of people think that McKenzie, like McKenzie has is more like a girl name now, but I think probably McKenzie was named for Spuds McKenzie. Oh yes, Buds McKenzie McKenzie, Budweiser. Sure. So. Lacey was the first girlfriend that Scott ever introduced to his family, and they loved her. There was nothing not to

22:25 love about Lacey, and they lived closer to Scott's family during this time and frequently spent time with them. Lacey would do the laundry there and she loved to help Jackie with her landscaping. Scott and Lacey were engaged in December of nineteen ninety four, and both families were really happy about it. I don't think you talked about Jackie's health problems at all. No, I didn't, so I think from a young age she'd had long difficulties, so a lot of I think any time you see jack she's always had oxygen oxygen with her. One other thing I wanted to say about Scott before you go on, because it was around this time when he and Lacey started dating that Scott learned about his two older siblings that Jackie had put up for adoptions, so he didn't know about them at all, but Don Chapman he had decided to research his birth parents, and he ended up tracking Jackie down. He developed a relationship with the family, and then he reached out to Anne Bird to say that he was her brother, and he asked her if she would also like to meet Jackie. She was hesitant at first, but she did eventually meet Jackie and then Scott. Scott was immediately taken with his newfound sister. Her adopted family was well off and she had spent several years living overseas in London, and I think in some ways she kind of had the life that Scott had envisioned for himself. She had, you know, well off friends, she was well traveled, so he grew very close to Anne, which I think made his other sister Susan, kind of jealous. At the time.

23:51 Well, I think Scott was kind of obsessed about this portraying himself as like a man of the world, and he really wanted to be well traveled, and I think he traveled a little bit, but not extensively as he claimed to travel. On August ninth, nineteen ninety seven, Scott and Lacey were married at Sycamore Mineral Springs Resort and Spot in San Louis Obispo, with about one hundred and fifty family and friends in attendance. Lacey later worked at the facility briefly as a banquet coordinator, but she quit because she was underpaid, only earning eight dollars an hour. The Roaches contributed about seven thousand dollars to the wedding, and the Peterson's could contribute it about the same. Scott and Lacey made a stunning couple on their wedding day. Have you've seen pictures of m She was stunning. During the champagne toast, Scott thanked Lacey's parents for their perfect daughter. Lacey and her father, Dennis weren't very close. He was mostly an absent father. He was invited to the wedding, but showed up late and drunk and disorderly. He couldn't get his pants on. He followed rip them and then grabbed a stapler to put the torn pants. That makes me really cringe with embarrassment for him. You would never do that, I know. Well, you had another wedding story you wanted to mention.

25:11 Oh yeah, and like you said, a lot of these things have come out I think since Scott was arrested, So you know, some of it's a little bit of people like remembering things that maybe they didn't say. That information bias. Yeah, but the general manager of the resort that they were married at he had later reported that he saw Scott before the wedding at the bar drinking and hitting on a waitress. Not shocking. No. As a child, Lazy had surgery to remove an eight pound tumor in her abdomen. That's insane, that is eight pounds. The surgeon was forced to remove one of her fallopian tubes, but doctors didn't think that she would have trouble becoming pregnant. However, it did take Lazy almost two years to get pregnant, and she started to worry and began considered fertility treatments, but she soon became pregnant naturally. She was due on February tenth. Lazy at the before her pregnancy was well. Her height didn't change, but she was five feet one inches tall, so she was tiny, and she weighed about one hundred and twenty five pounds at her first appointment. Her last appointment, she weighed about one hundred and sixty pounds, so she gained a fair amount of weight, but still it's within the normal range, right, normal range. But she was just warned a few times to you know, stay active and eat well.

26:25 She was overjoyed to become a mother. Scott seemed excited, but he allegedly had told a relative that he was hoping for infertility after it took them two years to get pregnant, which is a horrible thing to say. Yeah, I mean, if you knew Lazy like that was the most important super was to start a family. Lazy worked as a substitute teacher but planned to be a stay at home mom once Connor was born. And I think you have some things to ask, Yeah, just really back up a little bit on there after they got married, because I think again other signs of you know, things to come. Maybe. But after the wedding, Scott and Lazy lived apart for a few months because she he was finishing up school in San Luis Obispo, and she had a job about two hours north near San Jose. And we know that he had at least two affairs during that time.

27:11 So the first was with a twenty year old named Janet Ilse who he met in one of his classes. On their first date, what do you think he bought her? I think he brought her some daisies. He brought her twelve dozen roses. That's insane, that is insane, one hundred and forty four. He took her to fancy restaurants, bought her expensive gifts. One night, Janet decided to surprise Scott at his house, which he shared with three roommates. One of the roommates let her in and when she arrived at Scott's bedroom, she was surprised to find him in bed with another woman, his wife, Lazy named Lazy. She did not know that Scott was married, which is insane. Yeah, yeah, and I don't I have this. I think we read a lot of the same book, and we don't have any information of how Lacey reacted. How Scott explained it away was she It almost made it sound like she was okay with it. I read that she was upset, but that she moved on. It sounds like she moved on pretty quickly from it, which is surprising. Like that early in your marriage, that would be a pretty bad sign. So that was the end of that relationship. But another relationship started soon after. It was with another fellow student, a young woman named Katie Hanson. She and Scott would study together and they soon started dating. Scott told her that he wasn't married, but the next day he called to tell her he had lied. He was married but not anymore, and his ex lived in Salinas, which coincidentally or maybe not, was right near where Lacey was living at the time.

28:40 Katie believed the relationship was growing more serious over the two and a half months that they were together. Scott's graduation day was approaching, but there was no talk of going their separate ways after his graduation. In the spring of nineteen ninety eight, at his graduation ceremony, Katie sat next to Scott and was surprised when a woman who turned out to be Lacey walked up to Scott and gave him a big kiss. Scott calmly introduced Lacey to Katie and then didn't say another word to Katie the rest of the afternoon. Katie felt thankful that she dodged a bullet. She only heard from Scott one more time, a few weeks after graduation, when she received a delivery of a dozen pink roses from him with a cryptic message saying he had quote no job, no home unquote. She never responded to that. Well, in these relationships weren't just casual flings. They were full on relationships. Yeah. Like they spent a lot of time together and one of them was eighteen months. Yeah, like that's a long term relationship. After Scott graduated, Lacey had moved back in with Scott. She had a job at Sycamore Springs Resort, as you mentioned, the place that they had been married, but she resigned after only two months. Scott stad Lee made him a partner in his corrugated box business, thinking that his son would take over the family business, but after two years, Scott bought out his and then he turned around and sold the company right after that, which was a pretty shitty thing to do. Yeah, exactly.

30:06 I think Lee had, you know, visions of like a family business right that the kids would follow in his footsteps and all that, and then yeah, just sold it. He used the proceeds of the company's sale to open a sports bar and restaurant called The Shack. He and Lacey ran the business for two years, but it was hard work and not a whole lot of fun, and so they ended up selling it. Soon after that, they moved over two hundred miles north to Modesto, which was closer to Lacey's parents. They lived with her parents for a couple of weeks, than in a rental for a bit until they bought their home on Covina Avenue with help from a thirty thousand dollars gift from Scott's parents. Quite a nice gift, Very nice gift. Yeah. And I think Scott's parents they gave him little cash infusions here and there, like they paid for his initial country club entrance fee, which was twenty three thousand dollars, and they were very generous.

30:57 Yeah, for sure. Scott got a job with a company called Trade Corp, which was he sold fertilizer and other agriculture products. Scott was selling manure. Yeah, Yeah, he was on the road visiting customer as a fair amount. But he found time to do some improvements to their home. He added a swimming pool, building, scott barbecue, yeah, and did some other renovations as well. He's one of those people I'm like, he did he have more hours in the day than the rest of us because he's maintaining these extracurricular relationships. He's yeah, I mean he was. Yeah, it was a go getter. He did a lot. So I just have a couple other things to say about before you get into like the timeline of Lacey's disappearance and what happened there. But one thing I wanted to mention is I read Anne Bird's book, which is Scott's sister who was given up for adoption.

31:47 In her book, she said a few things like during Lacey's pregnancy that I thought were worth sharing. One is that Scott's mother, Jackie, twice mentioned to her that Scott and Lacey were having problems, although she didn't get specific on what those problems were. Because I think a lot of people thought that, you know, had the impression that Scott and Lacey's marriage was perfect and that there were no issues. But you know, so I'm going to dispute you on that one because Sharon, I'm not disputing you. I mean, I'm not saying that what Anne said isn't true. But Sharon, Sharon Roacha who was super close to Lacey, she was like, they never fought, they did have the perfect marriage. Yeah. So you know, we just have a lot of contradictory information and we have to sort through it.

32:28 But Sharon was close with Lazy and so I did think that was kind of odd because she was, you know, very certain in that they never fought. Yeah, That's why I caught my attention in the book that Anne Bird wrote, because yeah, it was it wasn't something that you heard that I had heard from other people as well. One other story that Anne shared was a trip to Disneyland that was attended by Scott and Lacey along with Scott's mom, Jackie, and a few others. And this was in November, right before Lacey disappeared. While Anne's that Scott he said the right things about being excited for the baby, she felt like his words seemed kind of flat and detached, like he was saying what he was supposed to say, and she also noted a couple of strange behaviors from Scott during the trip. At dinner one night, Scott ordered a nice bottle of wine, and when it came, he kept it near his plate. He never passed it or offered it to anyone else, and it was kind of like, apparently just for him, which may not be the weirdest thing in the world, but it's pretty unusual. Like I've been at a lot of dinners and people buy wine.

33:28 It's like, you know, you don't just buy a bottle of wine for yourself and not share it. The one that was probably more interesting, though, was that during the trip the family was hanging out in one of their rooms. They were exchanging Christmas gifts. Scott was on his phone in a world of his own. We don't know who he was talking to, but I suspect it was probably Amber Fry. Lacey said that he was on business calls a lot lately, and while the gift exchange was going on, and realized that her little boy, who was not quite three years old, was missing and started to panic. As you can imagine if you're you know you're in a hotel room. You can't find your three year old boy. Everyone else started panicking, jumping up looking for him. They found him a couple of minutes later. But through it all and saw that Scott never got distracted.

34:12 He just he was on his phone in a world of his own, not paying any attention to any anything else that was going on. So just a couple of, you know, a couple of warning signs, I guess. So the wine that you mentioned, So his parents, Lee and Jackie were very generous, but I read that he liked he and Lacy liked expensive wine, so they would take them out to dinner. But they would like, Scott, you need to pay for your own wine. So maybe that's why he didn't share it. I mean, definitely he should have shared it. But yeah, they made him pay for his own wine, which was kind of funny. Should we take a quick break before we dive into the timeline. It's a great idea, all right, So I'm just going to go through the timeline, Like in the months before Lacey's disappearance, were you already talked about this? But in October of two thousand, Scott and Lacey purchased a three bedroom, two bath seventeen hundred square foot home at five twenty three Covina Avenue in Modesto for one hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars with the generous thirty thousand dollars down payment from the Petersons. And that's about when Lacey started to try to get pregnant. And like you said, Scott worked really hard on remodeling the home, putting in a pool, which I don't know how you put a in ground Poland by yourself, and Lacey worked on the landscaping a lot. In June of two thousand and two, Lacey announced her pregnancy. The couple both seemed excited. Lacey's due date was February tenth,

35:46 two thousand and three, and they quickly began working on the nautical themed nursery. You probably saw pictures of that. No, I actually didn't see that. Well, mean, Lacey was thirty three weeks pregnant when she disappeared, and the nursey it looked like it was done, so they were you know, to me, that showed that they were both excited. On September twentieth, two thousand and two, Lacey had her twenty week sonogram. It was during this time that her original due date was pushed back six days to February sixteenth, which I think is kind of a significant fact. The over under on a twenty week ultrasound is ten days, so it's not an exact right.

36:32 The whole pregnancies are just it's all a guessing game. No, and they can give you kind of an idea, but you know a lot of women go early, right, a lot of women go late. In October, Sean Sibley and Scott met for the first time. Sean met Scott in Anaheim at a trade show. He was charming and flirtatious, but she wasn't interested. She was engaged. Sean claimed it was innocent, but the pair stayed up until three thirty in the morning, talking and drinking. Scott said he was tired of dating bimbos and wanted a smart woman. He was looking for the one, so of course Sean thinks he's single. Scott told Sean he had once been with someone he thought was his soulmate, but it hadn't worked out. After the conference, Scott and Sean stayed in touch and talked several times a week. She liked Scott a lot and thought he was a catch, and she thought, you know what, I have a friend for him. Her name was Amber Fry. Amber lived about ninety miles south of Modesto in Madera, California, with her daughter, who was almost two.

37:37 Amber had been in some bad relationships and Sean thought Scott was just the guy to turn things around for her. Sean had to nudge Scott a couple of times to contact Amber. Eventually he did and they had their first date on November twentieth, two thousand and two. We're going to go back and talk about Amber Moore in a little bit, But on December sixth Scott was confronted by Seawann's sibly about being married. She told Scott that he had to tell Amber or she would. How did she know that he was married at that point? I think they had they had associates that were in a similar field. Okay, so they were in the same yeah, general area of work. Yeah, And I think it was someone that Scott worked with. Was like, she was asking him about Scott and and the guy was like, well, I think he's married. So Sean was pretty unhappy when she realized she'd set her best friend up with a married man. Yeah, it's I don't know if we've talked about this enough, but Scott was a lie.

38:37 He lied. He was a pathological liar. He was very good at it. He was he very good at it. Yeah, he and he was always had a lie in his pocket. He was it was at the ready, and he always had like details in his lies, like things like very specific details about you know, very specific things that made it sound like, you know, it must be real because he's got these very specific things, you know. Yeah, he was very good at it. And December seventh, Scott began looking for a boat. He had owned boats in the past, and a few friends would testify later at the trial that he had recently been talking about acquiring a new boat, and he'd even asked someone if they wanted to go in with him on purchasing the boat. But he never really told anyone like in his family or in Lacey's family about the boat. And even whether Lacey knew or not is a questionable. We don't know for sure whether she knew or not. I believe she knew, and I think I have some proof to back that up when we get there. Okay, we can't ignore that timing though, So Sean was like, you need to tell Amber you're married. And then he starts looking for a boat, And he also searched boat ramp Pacific San Francisco Bay, and he was looking up the nautical charts and currents in the San Francisco Bay area. So he was thinking of something. He was thinking about something. Yeah, But just to back up a little bit, did he so Sean confronted him about him being married?

40:01 Did he then follow up with Amber? Yes? December ninth, Scott purchased a fourteen foot aluminum fishing boat and trailer from a man who told Scott he had never taken the boat in the ocean or saltwater before, only freshwater. Also on this day, Scott told Amber he had been married. He lied because he was in so much pain facing the first Christmas without his wife, so he said that he lost his wife. He didn't really specify what he meant though, right, No, he didn't. Yeah, and she didn't ask he lost his wife? And I think, you know, like we were just saying his lies were well crafted. Yeah. On December fourteenth, Lacey went to a Christmas party by herself. Scott went to a party with Amber. He introduced himself as Amber's boyfriend. He told Amber he was going on a long trip to Maine, New York and Europe, but he called her almost every day, but he did not call her on Christmas Eve.

40:55 And those photos at the Christmas party, so photos of Scott with Amber. I was going to mention that you the photos. Yeah, and that same day, Lacey's at the other party and there's a photo of her like sitting by herself. Yeah, she has this cute like maroon jumper on and she's sitting in a chair and she has her hands on her belly and she's she's glowing, she looks beautiful, but all by herself. It's devastating that you know that her jackass husband is at a party with Amber, and there's a lot of pictures of them, and you know, they look very cozy, happy together, and where Amber really was just like, oh my gosh, I've found him. He was in love. We'll talk a little bit more about that in a little bit. But on December twenty third, Lacey had a doctor's appointment and Scott did go with. Later that day, he got a haircut from Lacey's sister Amy. He invited Amy over for a pizza, but she said no, thanks, I have plans. And this is one of the mysteries in the case did did Scott kill Lacey? On December twenty third, Lacey talk to Sharon at eight thirty pm. They Scott said they watched Monday Night Football, which every pregnant lady loves to watch Monday night at football, right, and then they watched the movie The Rookie, and Scott said they went to bed about ten thirty. And at first I was like, ten thirty. You can't watch Monday night football and be in bed at ten thirty, But that I remember they were on the West living on the West Coast. It is Monday night football at five pm. Yeah.

42:27 Lacey was wearing tan Capria pants and a black blouse with small flowers or polka dots while they were at the salon, but when she returned home, she changed into Scott's blue pajamas and wore them to bed. If you're a pregnant lady, you know you've got a couple of pair of pants that are your favorite things and you can't wait to change into them when you got when you get home. I forgot to mention that Amy, Lacey's sister after Scott's haircut. She showed Lacey how to take a flat iron and you flip the ends of your hair up, and Lacey, she looked really cute and she thought that was a great idea and that might be significant the next day, and Lacey brought her curling iron with her. Her sister later testified that Lacey had brought her curling iron with her to that appointment. Just so her curling iron a flat iron. Oh, I don't know, also the same to me.

43:19 It's probably her flat iron. But it would be kind of weird that she would bring her flat iron to the appointment because if her sister, I mean she worked at a salon, yeah, she would have had Maybe she just wanted to show her on her own equipment. Maybe so on Christmas Eve, Lacey woke up. This is all according to Scott. Lacey woke up around seven am and ate some cereal. She got dressed and curled her hair like her sister had shown her. And this is also significant because there's a bench in the bathroom that you know, Lacey was pretty pregnant of this time. You know, she brought the bench in to sit on the bench while she curled her hair. Normally. The bench was, you know, with it. I'm guessing it was probably in the day. I'm not really sure, but it was, but it was not. The other was pretty small.

44:00 Yeah, but we know it was not normally in the bathroom. No, it was. No, it wouldn't fit normally in the bathroom. The blue pajama pants were found in the hamper, and the outfit that she had on the previous evening was found in her closet. Later, Scott woke up around eight am and he had a bowl of cereal. He had some like penguin puffs from Trader Joe's I believe. Lazy had gone to Trader Joe's the day before and had stocked them up. A Lazy ate a piece of toast with Scott. She had been having some nadgea in the morning, so she knew like the more she ate in the morning, the better she would feel throughout the day. There were some searches on the computer between eight forty and eight forty five while Scott was in the shower, Lazy search for an umbrella stand, a sunflower umbrella stand I believe, and a red gap scarf.

44:52 However, a forensic analysis of the computer was never done. That's an important thing to point out because there's been and you know, some theories. Did Lacy really do the searches or did Scott just do those search well? And wasn't there right after those searches, didn't somebody log onto Scott's email account as well on that computer. And I told me this, and I cannot verify that, but I chose. I saw that in the testimony, and I believe it was the email account that Scott used when he would communicate with Amber, So it was not an email account that I don't that I think Lacey would have known the password to or have normally accessed. So he did that on their shared on that same computer. Yeah, right after the searches for the sunflower whatever it was. Yeah, two minutes after that, somebody logged down to his email from that computer. Martha Stewart Living was on the TV before Scott left, and he would later recall that Martha was talking about meringues, which is important to note because it establishes helps to establish the timeline.

45:59 YEP. Scott said he left home to go fishing around nine thirty am because it was too cold to play golf, and we need to talk about that for a minute. Yes, so his plan allegedly had been to play golf. He was a member of the country club. I'm not sure who he was supposed to play with. That's something that I have not been able to find. I don't know. I have not read that either. Did he just go to the club and play by himself or did he cancel plans with a family member or a friend? Yeah, good question. I don't know. But it's a very odd thing to say it was too cold to go golfing, but going out on the San Francisco Bay would be yeah, perfectly fine. Yeah, And is it ever too cold to play golf? Like would the course have closed? I mean not unless it was like snowing or you know, yeah, or raining really hard. I believe the weather that day was a high of fifty two and maybe ten to fifteen mile per hour wind, so it was brisk for sure. So Scott said he left at nine thirty, but the Martha Stewart Maraine segment actually aired at night for ninety eight. It's funny how those numbers are sticking in our heads. And Scott retrieved a voicemail at ten o eight, I believe on his way to his warehouse somewhere. It pinged off of a location close to his house, and so the prosecution would end up would claim that that meant he was either at home or very close to home at that point in time. So we don't know for sure exactly where he was, but we can safely say he was either at home or on his way to his warehouse at ten o eight.

47:31 I could have been walking to his truck. I think someone said he possibly he took phone calls in his front yard alone. Okay, Scott filled a mop bucket for Lazy before he left again. You know, she was pretty pregnant and it was probably heavy, so he's like, oh, let me fill that up for you. So Lacey's plans for the day she was going to mop the house, she was going to go do a little bit of grocery shopping, and she was going to make gingerbread cookies before having dinner at her mom's house that night. Okay, the housekeeper, they had a housekeeper, only they had hired her recently. I think that she had only been to the house four times at this point. She came every other week, and the housekeeper had been there the previous day and she had mopped the whole house. So a lot of people point to the mop bucket, saying, did Lacey mop because your housekeeper did the day before? Why would Lacey need to mop again? Yeah? And what was Scott's response to that was he just because Lacey was a really like, she really liked things. She was a meticulous housekeeper. I believe the housekeeper later said that, no, I'm not so sure that Lacey mopped in between my visits. But they did have a you know, a big dog. It had been raining a lot, and she Lacey was as you know, she was going to have the family over for brunch on Christmas morning, right, and so I think it is possible that she was mopping. This is where it starts to get sticky, and the timeline is becomes very important. A neighbor reported that they returned a leashed to my Kenzie to the Peterson's backyard after she found him in the road

49:02 at ten eighteen. So this time was confirmed by a receipt from the grocery store. Not confirmed, but you know, we know, like the window was between probably ten fifteen and ten twenty at the latest. The defense later tried to dispute a little bit like whether the time was accurate on the receipt or not. But if the time on the receipt was accurate, then we can pinpoint it pretty closely, Like you said, within a few minutes of ten eighteen. You know, I guess that's a valid point. I didn't think about that, because a grocery store receipt is only as accurate as the computer that prints out the grocery receipt. And we're talking twenty one years ago. Yeah, they probably you know. Yeah, Yeah, And the defense actually did go and find out that it was something that was set manually.

49:43 It wasn't like, you know, set over the Internet or something like that at that point in time, so it was it is possible that it was off, but I think it would still only be a matter of a few moments. Yeah, So I think that leaves maybe ten like a ten minute window where Lacey could have disappeared. Does that seem about right for you? Yeah, because if he really made that call at ten oh eight from either from the driveway or had just left the house or whatever, then yeah, ten eighteen, it's a pretty small window. So that's one of the biggest questions. Did Lacey go for the walk or did she not. At least ten people and as many as twenty reported seeing Lacey walking Mackenzie on Christmas Eve.

50:24 We will circle back to this. When Scott arrived at his warehouse, which is only four minutes from the house. Sorry, no, not four minutes, four miles from the house, about an eight minute drive, he said he organized the office and emailed his boss. He was on the computer from ten thirty to ten fifty six, and that is verified. He put together a mortiser, which is a woodworking tool. Can you elaborate on that at all? Nope, because I really don't know what it is, okay, And we know that he likely did do it then, because I believe he looked up instructions on the internet. He left for the Bay, which is a ninety mile track to the Berkeley Marina. Scott said he cut his knuckle on the toolbox in his truck, and he later told police they you might find some blood in my truck because you know, I nicked my knuckle on my toolbox. There was a sharp metal edge, so yeah, I probably have some blood on my sho goold to get out in front of that, and they did find blood, but you know, it really seemed like the mount of blood that they found was consistent with a cut on your knuckle, and it was his blood that they found, right, it was his blood. They found no other blood in his vehicle. At eleven eighteen, Scott left for the marina and arrived at twelve fifty four and he got the boat launch ticket which verified his arrival. He was done by two eleven.

51:45 He only fished for an hour and sixteen minutes. He later told police he was near Brooks Island and on December eighth, Scott had searched for the island and only three people were at the marina that day and had used the boat launch. So the dock master remembered seeing Scott because there were only a handful of people there that day, and there were a couple of people that kind of were poking fun at Scott because it's the first time that he has backed up the boat and the trailer and it took him several minutes, several attempts, which is, you know, it's tricky to do even though it's a small boat, and they were, you know, we're kind of watching him and they saw into the boat. So that's something we need to talk about, is you know, was the boat cover on the boat at this point, because the boat did have you know, like a nice tot cover, which I believed he must have had on the boat when he was traveling down the highway, right, Yeah, but we don't really know if it was on when he was at the marina. Normally you would think he would take it off before you put the boat in the water. I believe they took it off and he bunched it up. And in the back of his truck.

52:53 Did he put in the back or was it in the boat? Did he cover up like where Lacey's body goes. I know that the neck like that night, it was in the back of his truck, But whether he put it there then or later, I don't know. You would you would think that if someone was walking by that they would notice a body. And that's why I was thinking maybe he used the boat cover right, kind of cover Offlay's body. Yeah, because it wasn't a big boat. I mean, it was fairly shallow. There were I know, like when the trial happened and everything. The prosecution they did like testing where they had a woman who was about Lacey's size and they would put her at various places in the boat, and so she could you know, she could fit in the boat for sure and be kind of under the seats, under the seat or under the side of the boat. But you're right, it wasn't a big boat, so if you were looking into the boat, you would probably see something in there if there was a body. So if Lacy was with Scott, was she you know people have was she wrapped and plastic like in you know, shrink wrap, because there was a roll of shrink wrap in the warehouse that later on. I'm getting a whole ahead of myself a little bit, but a cadaver dog, I believe, alerted on it, and then there was maybe chicken wire. My guess is that it was just a tarp that was yeah, because yeah, and there were tarps, Like he had umbrellas in the back of the of the truck that had tarps wrapped around them, and he had the boat cover, which you could also consider a tarp, so he had different ways that he could have possibly covered. Asked her body a little bit, Yeah, and I did think the umbrellas there are three

54:28 umbrellas, right, umbrellas had a pool, so it's not you know, they probably had a lot of umbrellas, umbrellas. Would you would you wrap your umbrella in a tarp? I wouldn't. I mean, I know you wouldn't. That's why I was like, I can't imagine why you would if you especially if he was just taken the warehouse to the warehouse, right, there would be no reason to do that. The prosecution would later claim that the fact that he put umbrellas around or tarps around the umbrellas, was a way for him to cover if someone saw him putting the body in the truck. Well, and a neighbor did see him standing in the bed of his truck while he was still at home, and he just smiled and said, good morning. Yeah. My thought like, Lacey's you know, she's not a tall person, but you know, she's at least one hundred and fifty pounds and she's you know, got her belly. And I'm just like, how did he get her body to the truck? Yeah, because he couldn't pull his truck into the garage either, right, he would have just had to back his truck up to the garage and yeah, put her body in from there. A bigger and he's not I guess I'm not sure how tall.

55:29 He's like over six feet. I think he was around six feet tall and two hundred pounds if I've read his accurate. Sorry, I'm just left because I know you just googled that. We do it. We do what we gotta do. No, I mean that was yes. Yeah, so even at that you know height, yeah, you know, carrying carrying a body. Yeah, I'm sure he was pretty fit though, like with his job and everything, he probably had to carry a lot of heavy stuff around, heavy bags of manure and stuff like that. I looked a little pudgy to me. But well, some people think that Scott put Lacey in the tool the toolbox. Yes, that was in his truck, and that's how he cut his hand. And that was another one of the photos that the prosecution took of the woman that they had stand in. They had her lay in the toolbox and she fit in there pretty comfortably. Yeah. So about two fifteen, Scott heads back to Modesto and that's when we have the uh, I hey, beautiful call, and I we're not We've talked about this because so many of these calls you've heard a million times that I can't hear it again. So I'm just going to have you read it real quick.

56:36 Oh I can't wait. Hey, beautiful, I just left a message at home. It's two fifteen. I'm leaving Berkeley. I won't be able to get to Vella Farms to get that basket for Papa. I was hoping you would get this message and go on out there. I'll see you in a bit, sweetie, Love you bye. I hate you after reading that. I hate myself reading that. So a lot of people say, that's not how you leave a message for your wife. What do you think about that? I don't know. It could be every you know, every couple is different than a different style and actually leave me that message. I think you would. Yeah, I don't think it sounds that weird to me. I'm not defending him, but I'm just saying, like, you would definitely leave me that message. I think twenty years of marriage, I think you still leave me nice messages and you call me nice things. Usually I just text you nowadays. But it's true. But I mean, I don't think that that would have No. I don't think that was crazy, out of the ordinary type of message. What did enrage me, though, is like, oh, hey, babe, sorry, I told you that I would get that fruit basket for your grandfather. Instead, I went fishing an hour and a half away from home, and just to add things to your to do list. And you're very pregnant. On Christmas Eve, traffic is going to be a complete nightmare. But hey, did you mind getting to be that?

57:52 That really made me mad. I'm like, you don't know, Yeah, that's not a cool I really try my heart and you're actually very kind and you run the air. But on Christmas Eve, because I worked in retail for a long time, yeah, well I don't. I try not to leave the house. Yeah, but sometimes you'll just go pick up whipped cream or whatever we need. So Scott dropped the boat back off at the warehouse and then he headed home. I think he got through it about four forty five. He was surprised when he saw Mackenzie outside with his leash on, which so Karen Service is the name of the neighbor that put the dog back in the yard. And then she closed the gate, and I was kind of irritated, like, come on, Karen, you don't put a dog, you don't you take the leash? Like poor poor Mackenzie really could have gotten wrapped around a tree or gotten hurt or strangled. So McKenzie was fine. Scott went in the house and he saw the mops and the buckets, and he dumped the buckets out and he put them on their deck or patio, and then he stripped down. He put his clothes that he'd been wearing in the washer, started the washer, ate a slice of cold pizza.

59:07 It had a swig of milk, and then he went to the shower. What do you think about cold pizza and milk? First of all, like, that's a crime. Yeah, I mean, cold pizzas great, but milk. I like cold pizzas Okay, with the cold pizza, it's the pizza with him. Yeah, that's really weird. It's kind of weird. But when he got home, her Lacey's car was in the driveway, right, but he just assumed that she was with her mom, Yes, which seemed kind of weird that he, like, I don't know, he called left a message she wasn't there yet, but yeah, and then he just comes home and he puts his clothes in the washer and does all this stuff and showers and everything before he tries to figure out where she's at. Right, to me, that's a little suspicious, but we can we can move on and well again sometimes And this was how I approached the case until I sat down with it. I was like, well, you know, her mom is just two miles down the road and she's, you know, you to help with the dinner, and she knows that Scott's going to be driving over later. So maybe Sharon was just like, hey, Lace, I'm going to pick you up and you can help me, you know, yea possible take dinner and you know you can just drive home with Scott later.

1:00:13 So you know, I think they were closed. They did things like like Sharon spent a lot of time with Lacy and so that to me at that point didn't bring any bells. So doing his laundry right when he got home, I mean, that's definitely fishy. Yeah. He said he was gross and he was smelly from fishing, well like you fish for an hour, and he said it he was wet because it had been raining. The dock master said it had not rained, correct, But if you're on the water and get some spray on you, possible. But yeah, still a little bit, I don't know. But still if you start the washer as soon as you get home and there's only I believe there was only his clothing in there. That's that's definitely a little fishy. He said that a lot of times when he got home he would take a shower when he was working because he was with the pesticides and Lacey was pregnant, and so he would wash his clothes right away. Like that made sense. But yeah, fair enough, he wasn't really, I guess he was did go to the warehouse, but still that was later later there the crime scene photos. I saw a picture of their hamper, and their hamper was overflowing with clothes, So I think I would you would definitely get scolded. Well, it would get scolded for starting a lot, but a couple of things in the in the washer when there's a bunch of other stuff, it could have gone. And yeah, you can wash all of those clothes. Nuts, when's the last time he did a little laundry by that? It's been a couple a few years, a couple of decades. Uh So five point fifteen, Scott got out of the shower and called Sharon. She told him to check with friends and neighbors. So, you know a lot of people are like five fifteen.

1:01:45 So he's been home for half an hour and it takes him half an hour to figure out, oh, I should probably check him with. Sharon. Scott called Stacy and Arne, who are two of Lacey's best friends, and checked with Karen Service, the neighbor. She wasn't home, so he left to know, and I think he checked with a couple of other neighbors, but it was pretty quick, and Sharon was like, hmm, you know, how many people did you check with? She didn't already. She was kind of like she thought that, you know, he would have checked with more neighbors, he would have called more people. Sharon said, go to the park and I'll meet you there, because I guess they assumed, you know, Lacey had taken Mackenzie for a walk, and so they were going to try to, you know, see if they could find Lacey in the park. So I think Sharon went to the park and then she was like, Ron, you call the police. So Ron her husband. I'm not sure at what point they were married. I think they were boyfriend girlfriend for a long time. So anyway, at five forty seven, Ron called the police. And Ron was close with Lacey and he refers to her as his daughter and at six pm, the police arrived at the Peterson home.

1:02:52 One thing that was suspicious is Scott had that marine a receipt like in his pocket. He's like, oh, here, here's I was at the marina. I'll right off it right up to them without them asking anything. It was a little suspicious that. I don't think it's suspicious that he had the receipt. I think it is a little odd that he had in his pocket. Yeah, because I think you would have crumpled it. I know what you would have done. You would have taken the receipt, crumpled it and thrown it overhoulder into your back seat. Yes, and it would have stayed there for two months until until I cleaned your car up for you. But yeah, it's I mean, maybe it was folded up and put it in his wall, but even putting it in your wallet seems odd to me. Yeah. Okay, So search dogs and helicopters were quickly dispatched to search for lazy and these poor people. It's Christmas Eve. They're at home, cozy and other fire eating cookies and they get this call like all hands on deck.

1:03:44 Yeah, a pregnant woman is missing. Well, you know, all credit to them for doing that so quickly too, because you know, as we've talked about many times, a lot of people are under the mistaken assumption that you have to wait twenty four hours when an adult missing person before you report them. But in this situation, they were like, Okay, it's a very pregnant woman. We need to get out there and start right away. Yeah, and they really did to their credit. And you know, even if you have anyone missing and you think, oh, I have to wait till I call, just call, the worst thing they can tell you is, you know, we're not going to take care of that. So by eleven PM, the police are all over the house. They took crime scene photos as well as photos of Scott's office and the boat, and Scott was questioned until one thirty am. At the end of the interview, Detective al b RUKINI looked at Scott in the eye and said, we all get the bastard that did this to Lacey, and maybe we'll talk. I think we're gonna end care for now. I just had a couple of things in though there were a couple other things. Yeah, I'm sure you have things in that time span that we're also seen as suspicious by the officers. So one when they were questioning him in his house, he was very particular about them using coasters on the table, which they were like, that's a little odd that that's your concern or that that's odd, but I interested, I think it's a little bit odd. But the other thing too is they asked for some items of Lacey's so that they could have a scent dog look, and he gave them a few things, but he was like, are you can I get a receipt for those like and they were like, that's weird.

1:05:13 Have never had somebody ask for a receipt for items like that. Again, I do not want to be a scout apologist, but there are some things that people think weird, and I'm like, I don't know if that's that weird. One thing that happened Al BROKINI, who I think is good at his job, he automatically thought that Scott was guilty and Scott, I think pretty quickly copped an attitude because he heard Brokeini on the phone saying yeah, it's the husband, And I think after that he was just you know, gonna He wanted to be a needle, a thorn in his side. And he was that's fair I And I also think that Scott was very meticulous with his things, like he was. He took care of his things, and so you can understand that he might want to get a receipt, and I think that would actually come back. We'll talk about later a different situation where he normally would have been meticulous with something and wasn't, which you know, goes against my wife's heart. But well, and Brokini also made a big deal out of Scott didn't want him like he was opening his truck doors and he was gonna hit Lacey's car with it, and BROKINI just was like, that's your concern, And yeah, I mean that's just primary concern absolutely should have been let's find my wife as soon as possible. I don't care about anything but finding my wife. But he didn't want his truck doors banged up. But I also always remind people about my like when you open with the kids, like open the door carefully. Yeah, I mean I kind of get that. And one other final thing I wanted to mention that from

1:06:43 that night that was also a little bit suspicious is when he was in Detective Brokini's office being questioned that night, he got a call on his cell phone from Amy, from Lacey's sister, and the way he answered it this was something that later the jury would point to as that they thought was a little bit odd. But you know, your wife is missing. It's twelve thirty pm or twelve thirty am, right right after midnight. You would think you get a call from Lazy's sister, you would immediately pick it up, being like, is there news, what's happening? And he just kind of casually put the phone up. Yeah, hey, Amy, what's going on? Yeah, very casual. Well you can we're going to keep talking about Scott and his demeanor, and yeah, he absolutely, But he's at the police station. So what's Amy going to tell him that the police station isn't going to tell him? Well, they might have found her. They were out looking, right, so you know, I would think the police station would know that before Amy would. At the end of the interview, which you know, like I think it was one thirty am, Sharon was worried about Scott and she was like, hey, you know, why didn't you come over and we're you know, I think they're probably having some coffee and you know, no one Sharon was like, no one's going to be sleeping because we're going to be up all night looking for lazy and Scott was like, yeah, I'm headed home. I'm gonna I'm really tired. Yeah, So that I mean really yeah, There's so many things in his behavior that we can talk about, and some of them are you know, people behave in different ways when they're under stress and when you know, something like this happens.

1:08:13 So some of them, I think you can say, yeah, we don't know how you would behave in that situation, but there was there's enough of those things that it's just you know, definitely makes him look pretty bad. Oh yeah, he looks horrible. But also like what if he was play acting too, Like if he would have been too emotional, people would have been like, oh, he's acting. Yeah. So in a lot of these cases, Scott Peterson can't win, right, He's not gonna win. He shouldn't win. But he's just every little thing he does under a microscope. That's something I wanted to talk about too, is like, why did this case blow up the way? It is so huge? It was, I mean it was huge, like we were going to the war with Iraq, but it was still the number one story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean people obviously love story about a you know, missing woman, attractive young woman. But I don't know why this particular story blew up like so much bigger than almost any other story of this type, I know, literally any other story. I mean I was thinking about this. I mean John Benny Ramsey, O. J. Simpson, Scott and Lacy Peterson, the I mean the Watts family murders, which was, you know, a decade later, almost two decades later, but yeah, those, I think with this one, it was like when when the whole Amber Fry angle came out, that just added a whole nother layer to it, and it just there was always something coming out, and then when the bodies were found, so it was just kind of a constant. Like NC. Nancy Grace, she was all over this case and all over Scott. She really she

1:09:46 did. She did not like Scott very much. Did you ever listen to the when Scott's dad went on Nancy Grace? There was so much to digest in this case. I did not listen to a ton of the audio clips because I I felt like I'd heard a lot of it before, and because it wasn't just Nancy Grace. It was like Greta van Sustern, and I mean Larry King. Yeah, the rest in peace Larry King, because I I did enjoy the Larry King. Yeah. Yeah, there was just Sawyer. I've got some clips we'll play in part two where she had Scott Peterson, Barbara Walters. Yeah, I mean they were everywhere. Becau. Scott didn't do any interviews for such a long time, but then he just couldn't get enough of them and they all made him look horrible. Yeah yeah, all right, Well that's all we have for today, right, that's good.

1:10:35 Just one other thing I wanted to mention before we close, and that is that every month we take at least twenty five percent of our proceeds from advertising and Patreon and donate it to a charity. We haven't talked about it yet, it's already middle of December, but we did make a donation this month to an organization called No Kid Hungry. Just great organization, especially for this time of year, the holiday season. So if you're looking for somewhere to donate to, that's a great, great option. But we just wanted to mention that and thank all of you because we couldn't do it without you. Yeah, literally, and we're so grateful and it's just very humbling that we were able to do that every month. And when you hear our annoying little ads, just know that they're going to hopefully do some good in the world. Yeah. So we were a week before Christmas. Yeah, did you when you were a kid? Did you ever peak at your Christmas presents?

1:11:28 I did a couple of times. I did. I was horrible. My yeahm is listening. Yeah, I sure did. I sure did. That was bad. Yeah, but in some way that was good because then it like kind of tempered your disappointment, like, oh, okay, that's what I'm getting, all right, Yeah, be prepared to when I open them to act excited. I do not, however, peak now. I don't think there's anything the peak out. Well, the biggest problem we have now is packages come to the door. We both order things online, and it's like stuff comes to the door. You don't always know who it's for, or they're packages that have like the name of whatever it is you bought right on the package, which drives me crazy, and you'll go out and see something I bought or whatever. Yeah, well, I think we already mentioned this, but when our male lady left the boxes under our mailbox, I was like, are you kidding me? But in retrospect, I understand if you have to deliver hundreds, it's I'm sure it gets it's exhausting.

1:12:25 I used to hide. But I don't even bought. Like, I know you've probably seen a couple of things I bought already. I don't think so, No, you don't think so. Well, Like everything is in like our storage room, and our cats get angry if any door grows closed. So I have only wrapped a handful of things and anyway, Yeah, it's it's all, It's all there. So but one week away, one week away till the big big deal Santa Claus comes. Yeah. I asked both of our kids, who are older, if they still believe in Santa, and our daughter was like, of course I do, and our son was like, eh, I'm like are you. Eventually he was like, yes, of course, yes, Mom, I believe in Stanton. So good to hear, good to hear? Yeah, all right, Well until I hope everyone's doing well there. Yeah. I will be back with part two of this story on Christmas Day. Christmas Day, what better way to spend your let everyone celebrates Christmas and some people wondering if anyone has taken us Christmas shopping with them or on your Christmas walks. But we hope you're having a great holiday season and don't stress out. It'll all get done. It's all going to be fine. I'm talking to myself. Yeah, I know, it's all going to be fine. All right, Well, until next time, don't kill your husband and don't kill your wife to pick the