Nov. 3, 2025

Linda DeSilva and Robert Edelman

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When Linda Edelman vanished after telling friends she planned to leave her powerful husband, suspicion quickly turned toward Robert — a ruthless businessman with everything to lose. As the FBI stepped in, a web of deceit, money, and control began to unravel, revealing just how far Robert would go to keep his secrets.

Today's snack: Cane River Pecan Company Peanut Brittle Popcorn (thanks Teresa!)

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Sources

  1. Schutze, Jim. My Husband's Trying to Kill Me!: A True Story of Money, Marriage, and Murderous Intent. (Function). Kindle Edition.
  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRrYZIPByjA Dead Before Dawn movie 1993
  3. https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/savings-and-loan-crisis?utm_source=chatgpt.com
  4. https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1988/may/the-ede-lman-file/
  5. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/873/791/432488/
  6. https://dycorp.ph/newserx/240900-where-is-robert-edelman-now-2023-did-plot-to-kill-h-wife-d-magazine
  7. https://www.newspapers.com/image/778054247/?match=1&terms=robert%20edelman
  8. https://www.newspapers.com/image/14018415/?match=1&terms=%22robert%20edelman%22
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Hi.

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I'm Tina and I'm Rich. If there's one thing we've

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learned and over twenty years of marriage.

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It's that some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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And some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to love, Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey Tina.

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We meet again. How have you been. It's been a while.

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It's been a long time. I've been pretty good.

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Good.

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Good to see you again. We haven't talked since last

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time we recorded.

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We would have a much better podcast probably if that

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was the case. But we see each other most days.

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But you were out of town last week.

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I was first time in a long time. And did

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you feel did you have a good week at home?

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I had such a good week. I feel bad saying that.

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But organized the whole house?

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You really the first time I've been alone, I think

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since you know, the kids are gone and you were.

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Gone, I just went crazy.

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I didn't go crazy.

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What do you mean you organized everything? I came home

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and there's like piles of things here and there, and

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you had like donation piles, and you were you were

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obviously very busy.

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I really like organizing. And you know, even if your

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house is organized at least once a year you know,

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you need to go through and reorganize everything, and there's

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always some donations. I donated a lot of my clothes,

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which felt pretty good.

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You donated a lot of mine, which I did it.

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That is not true. I did take two pair of shoes.

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Did you look in the bags? You just look in

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the bags. Now you have a which has a pile

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of I'm not exaggerating. There's probably sixty shirts in there,

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like the T shirts like that. You they're like workout shirts,

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you know, painting shirts are going to bed shirts, and

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I mean they needed to be sorted through. So I

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did that, and I think but there is one pair

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of shoes that you had that I remember when you

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bought them. We fought about them because they were so ugly.

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They were like these sandals. Do you know what? You

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probably don't know what I'm talking about.

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I don't, but this is the second time we've talked

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about arguing about a pair of shoes.

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That I bought, right well, I mean, no offense, but

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these were really bad, like they were probably in style

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like twelve years ago, and they were just kind of

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like I don't know, I think they're meant to be

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like hiking sandals. They're just really ugly.

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If they were in style twelve years ago, they're probably

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about to come in style again.

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I mean, I would you whatever you wore them. I

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had to walk like two feet behind you because I

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was embarrassed to be seen with you.

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Wow, and now they're gone.

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I think so. Well, you said you took the donations

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for me, So.

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I don't know where you I just don't I trust you.

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Yeah, but it was a good week. I mean, I

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did miss you by the end of the week. But

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how was your week?

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It was a pretty good week. I was in Orlando

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for work for a trade show. Didn't have a lot

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of fun, but it was a good week for work.

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I didn't see any alligators. I was a little disappointed.

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Well, that would have been weird because you were inside.

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Well no, but I was trying, you know, in the

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car on the way from the airport and at the

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hotel I was at. I was really hoping to see

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an alligator or two, but I didn't.

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I'm not sure what to say about that. But maybe

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next time, honey, maybe next time you'll see an alligator

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or a crocodile. Would you know the difference?

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Well, I don't think they have crocodiles in Florida, so

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I would only know the difference by the location that

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I'm at. Oh, I'm actually terrified of alligators, but I'm

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also kind of fascinated by them.

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I have never been scared until we went to Hilton

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Had a few years ago. Oh, they were everywhere, were everywhere,

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and they were like we were biking, and I'm not

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a good biker, and that was really scary when they were.

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You know, we could see them.

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You'd be on the you'd be on the bike trail

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and there would be like a hill right next to

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the bike trail leading down to the water, and alligators

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would basically be waiting there for you to fall off

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the way.

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For me especially, I think, yeah, yeah, well I have

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a snack for you. And you owe our dear friend

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and listener, Teresa an apologies.

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I've been making so many live on air apologies, but

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I truly do. Oh Teresa another apology. Yeah, I am

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so sorry, Teresa.

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Yeah sorry.

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She was kind enough to send us some snacks. We

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had one of them on an episode a couple of

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weeks ago.

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Some short bread cookies that were delicious.

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And there was another snack and I missed it. It

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was in my cupboard, and we told her it didn't

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arrive and it did run well.

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I told her because you told so we felt really

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bad about that. So we're so sorry, Teresa. She probably

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was really stressed out about it and felt bad about it,

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and we had it all along.

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I know, I feel terrible.

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Yeah, well, let's try the peanut brittle popcorn that's been

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hanging out in your cupboard for a couple of weeks.

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It's from a company called Caine River. You're a big

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peanut riddle lover, so I bet you really liked this popcorn.

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I thought it was amazing. That was the mash up

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between peanut brittle and popcorn that I never knew I needed,

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And it turns out I really did. It was really good.

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What did you think?

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I thought it was very good.

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Thanks again, Teresa for sending those in. My apologies for

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misplacing it.

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If I didn't know better, I would say that you

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were trying to hide that so you could eat it

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all over.

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It would be gone by now if that was the case,

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but it may disappear again.

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Well, today I'm going to tell you the story of

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Linda da Silva and Robert Edelman we're going to travel

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to nineteen eighties Dallas, Texas?

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Are we going to find out who shot JR?

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Robert Edelman is a little bit like JR. Ewing for sure.

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Some people might say he's worse than JR. Ewing. Linda

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walked through the safe house, feeling unmoored, adrift, and the

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unfamiliar surroundings. The sudden jangling of the telephone made her jump.

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She'd been warned in no uncertain terms never to answer

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unless the call followed the code. Three rings, a thirty

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second pause, then more ringing. She froze, counting under her

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breath one two, three, four, pause, then more ringing. That

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wasn't the code. Panic rose from her gut and spread

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through her body. Did Ike forget? Did she? Or worse,

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did someone else know the code? Was someone watching her

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from the dense woods. Linda wouldn't put anything past her

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husband of sixteen years, Robert. He was powerful, well connected,

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and furious that she'd filed for divorce, furious enough to

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have hired someone to kill her. The FBI had come

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to her a week earlier and set her up in

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this safe house. Linda stared at the phone as he

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began to ring again. Her heart pounding louder than the

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sound itself, A scream forming deep in her throat.

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Sounds like he's got the makings of a really scary movie.

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Yeah.

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Mary.

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Linda de Silva was born in July nineteen forty five

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to John and Virginia de Silva in the small town

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of Duncan, Oklahoma. The eldest of two daughters, Linda grew

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up alongside her younger sister, Miriam, in a close knit

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Fundamentalist Baptist household of modest means. Linda was stunning with

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shiny honey colored hair, hazel eyes, a bright smile, and

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a fun, sunny disposition. She was talented too. From a

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young age, her mother had immersed her and Miriam in voice,

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piano and dance lessons. Linda blossomed while attending Oklahoma University.

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She was the star of the music department, always landing

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the lead role in musicals like Stop the World, I

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Want to Get Off the Show and specifically Linda was

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such a hit that they were asked to join a

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USO tour in Germany that fall. A friend said, Linda

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lives her life as the lead in a different musical

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every day. That's what's fun about Linda. What is tough

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is figuring out which character she is playing today. People

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were sure that some day they'd see her name in

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the bright lights of Broadway. But in June nineteen sixty seven,

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while working in the summer theater program, Linda met Robert Edelman,

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and the course of her life changed forever. He wasn't

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a musician, an actor, or one of the fun loving,

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care free types Linda usually dated. Robert was more serious,

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focused on his future. Despite that, he wasn't known for

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his academic drive. In fact, he was a terrible student

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by his fifth year of college. He was simply eager

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to graduate. To meet that goal, he enrolled in a

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stage lighting course for easy credits to put him a

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step towards finishing school and finally starting to make money,

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a goal that had defined him for as long as

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anyone could remember. Robert Mark Edelman came from a middle

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class Jewish family near Dallas. He was different from most

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guys at Oklahoma University. He had impeccable manners and style

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of dress, choosing kashmere sweaters and slacks over the jeans

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and sweatshirts worn by most college boys. He drove a

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sleek new white convertible, a gift from his parents. Robert

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had his eyes on success from the very start. He

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was a stark contrast to Linda's cheerful demeanor, brooding, dark, reclusive, enigmatic,

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aloof and sometimes.

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Cold, sounds like a real fun guy.

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Linda was drawn to Robert because he was so different

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from the typical goofy college boys she dated. He had

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more depth and direction in life. When Robert told her,

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you are the only person in the entire world who

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cares about me. You are the only one I have.

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I never had anything of my own before, she took

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it to heart, but as the relationship deepened, Robert's need

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for control grew. Even while Linda was away on the

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USO tour, she made sure to be available for his

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frequent transatlantic phone calls to avoid his anger and relentless questioning.

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I know it's too much to read into a simple quote,

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but saying you're the only one I have. I never

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had anything of my own before, like he's talking about

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her as a possession.

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Yes. Homesick and missing Robert, she happily accepted his marriage

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proposal over the phone. They married the next summer in

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June nineteen sixty eight and relocated to Dallas, where Robert

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worked in computer sales. Because of their different religions, they

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weighed not having children, fearing the backlash from their parents

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whichever faith they chose. While Robert worked for Honeywell, Linda

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got a job with Dallas Summer Musicals, bringing big city

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musicals to Texas. Linda was excited about her burgeoning career,

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but soon Robert was offered a transfer to New York

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selling industrial mainframe computers, and they moved to Manhattan. This

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gave Linda a shot at Broadway, where she hoped Virginia,

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Linda's mother, was still a staged mother at heart. She

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saw the move to New York as an opportunity for

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her beautiful, talented daughter to star on the Broadway stage,

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where she belonged. She reached out to one of its

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biggest stars, Beverly Sills, and asked her how Linda could

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find a good voice teacher. She kindly offered up her

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own eighty year old Estelle Leebling. When Linda went to

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audition for Estelle, she immediately saw her talent and agreed

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to take her on as a student. Linda and Robert

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were surprised to find that all they could afford was

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a tiny, one bedroom apartment in Queen's They sparsely finished

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the place. Linda did her best to make it comfortable,

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but she missed home. The move marked a turning point

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in their young marriage. With no family nearby to witness

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what was happening behind closed doors, Robert's control tightened. What

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began is subtle suggestions soon hardened into demands, and then

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into abuse. Despite the speed and convenience of New York

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City's vast public transportation system, Robert refused to spend time

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on the subway with people he considered the underclass. He

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insisted that Linda drive him to and from his job

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at Honeywell each day. It was a heavy burden for Linda,

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costing her hours and jangling her nerves in relentless city track.

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That would be so stressful every time I'm in New York,

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Like it's just driving there. I would not want to

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do it.

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I wouldn't either, as rush hour every day, so easy

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to take the subway. Everyone takes the subjectly. Soon the

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verbal abuse and control turned to violence. Linda couldn't afford

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to call home often, but Robert spoke daily with his

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mother from work Sinceing Glinda's extreme homesickness. In nineteen seventy,

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her parents planned a visit to New York City, Virginia, John,

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Linda's aunt, and even the family dog were coming for

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a visit. Linda was so excited to share the news

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with Robert, but he bristled at the thought. He lashed

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out at Linda and punched her in the face so

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hard he dislocated her job.

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God, it's horrible.

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When he realized what he'd done and the pain Linda

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was in, Robert drove Linda to the hospital and begged

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for her forgiveness. He promised he'd never touch her again.

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The fast pace of New York was too stressful for them,

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He explained. They could move back to Texas and she

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could get her old job back with the theater company.

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As they pulled up to the emergency room, Robert pleaded

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with Linda to lie to the doctors and nurses at

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the hospital and tell them that she'd fallen and hit

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her jaw on the bathtub. Otherwise he could be arrested

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and they wouldn't have their fresh start.

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And they did return to Dallas. The nineteen seventies brought

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a wave of prosperity to Texas, oil gushed, millionaires were

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made overnight. The potential seemed endless. People flocked to Texas

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to take advantage of the thriving economy, and before long,

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housing couldn't keep up with the demand. After the Edelman's

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return to Texas, Linda rejoined Dallas Summer Musicals and Robert

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began building speck houses, and before long the money was

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pouring in. By nineteen seventy two, he had left his

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job at Honeywell to launch his own real estate development company,

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Good Earth Development. As his success grew, so did his ego.

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Buyers and contractors found Robert arrogant and difficult to deal with,

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an overconfident blowhard who rubbed people the wrong way. He

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was a ruthless negotiator and less than fair with the contractors.

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He was rude and combative and never paid them on time.

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When Linda joined the business, the atmosphere shifted. Clients preferred

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working with her, drawn to her warmth and taste. To

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her surprise, Linda discovered she genuinely enjoyed the work, especially

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the interior design side of the business. This was a

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happy time in their marriage. They were partners in business

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and in life, both bringing different strengths to their relationship

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and the business. One night, as Robert pulled into the

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circular drive of his house driving his new Porsche, Snubby Ellis,

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a slight red haired cowboy in his late fifties, waited

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for him, impatiently taking SIPs from a flask of whiskey. Snubby,

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who sometimes did contract work for the Edelmans, approached Robert

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as he exited the car and demanded payment for an

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eleven thousand dollars roofing job. When Robert swore at him

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and told him to get lost, Snubby withdrew a pistol

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from his pocket and approached Edelman pay me now, he demanded,

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putting the gun under Robert's chin. My checkbook is inside.

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Robert nervously stammered. The man left peacefully after he was paid.

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The next day, Robert purchased an oozy machine gun. Wow.

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Robert did not like to pay his bills, and he

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liked to screw people out of money when he could.

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I need to mention here that there were I think

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it's just Snubby Ellis and one other person, that these

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names are pseudonyms. There's not a lot of information about

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this case and so I could not find Snubby Ellis's

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real name, but I thought Snubby Ellis was a pretty.

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Good that's an awesome pseudo bill. It wasn't until ten

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years into their marriage that the Edelmans decided to have children.

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Linda had waited, hoping their relationship would improve, but it

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never did and time was running out for her to conceive.

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In November nineteen seventy nine, their son, Stephen was born,

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followed two years later by their daughter Kathleen. Before Stephen's birth,

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Linda had quietly converted to Judaism. Robert told d magazine.

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She surprised me with it one day, and after that

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we went back to the rabbi together and were remarried

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in the synagogue. Four years in the faith was enough

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for Linda, however, she returned to the Baptist Church and

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brought her children with her a few years later, when

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a wealthy, well connected Jewish couple purchased a new home

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from Good Earth Development, Robert went ballistic when they asked

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for a few repairs. Every new home needs a few

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tweaks when the owners move in, but Robert's ego and

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frugality made him difficult to work with, and he took

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his time making the repairs. The couple spread word through

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their network of well off friends. Robert seethed over the

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matter and plotted against the couple, especially the wife. She

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was home alone often at night while her husband traveled

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for work. Robert began calling her late at night, breathing

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heavily into the phone. She knew it was Robert, but

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it was still very unsettling. Linda pleaded with Robert to

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stop harassing the poor woman, but he refused, determined to

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put her in her place. A couple of weeks later,

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he was still making the phone calls and was shocked

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one night when the police appeared at the door with

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a warrant for his arrest for making harassing phone calls.

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He was released on bail within hours, and the woman,

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scared for her and her family's lives, dropped the charges.

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These stories are to paint that Robert was a bully.

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That's like such a red flag that behavior. It's really frightening.

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Dallas was swimming in money in the early nineteen eighties

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when oil prices surged and real estate was booming. The

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city became a playground for developers, bankers, and dreamers. Savings

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and loan associations were originally created to help ordinary Americans

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achieve the dream of home ownership, neighbors pulling their money

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to help one another buy houses with fixed strate mortgages,

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but by the early nineteen eighties that mission had shifted.

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Deregulation in nineteen eighty and again in nineteen eighty two

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allowed savings and Loans to make riskier investments, which caused

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lenders to pay higher interest rates or be locked into

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predatory balloon payment loans. Instead of supporting the people who

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built them, savings and loans began chasing profits in more

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lucrative commercial real estate.

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So I am not at all comfortable talking about economics,

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but here we are. The rules changed in so and

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so did the ethics. What began is community lending turned

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into something closer to predatory finance profit over people.

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All I know is George Bailey would not have approved.

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No, he wouldn't. And it's really a sad state of

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affairs here because savings and loans were, you know, an

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institution for the people, right and then suddenly it shifted

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and you know, they were against the people. They're making

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you know, these predatory loans.

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For a while, it was a gold rush. Glass towers

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shot up across Dallas, financed by easy credit and speculation.

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Local businessmen bought jets through lavish parties and invested in

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half finished developments that looked good only on paper. Banks

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and savings and loans competed to outland one another, creating

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a bubble built on optimism and over extension. But by

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the mid nineteen eighties the bubble burst. Oil prices crashed,

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commercial real estate collapsed, and thousands of bad loans came due.

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Dozens of Texas savings and loans, many based in Dallas,

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failed spectacularly. Regulators discovered massive fraud, insider deals and falsified

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records as some bankers tried to hide their losses or

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enriched themselves before everything fell apart. The fallout was enormous.

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Texas became ground zero for the national savings and loan crisis,

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which ultimately cost US taxpayers more than one hundred and

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twenty billion dollars. In Dallas alone, the skyline stood as

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a monument to greed and ambition, half empty office buildings,

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failed developments, and bankrupt dreams. By the end of the decade,

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the city's once booming real estate market was littered with

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see through skyscrapers buildings so empty you could literally see

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through them. In nineteen seventy eight, Robert expanded his business

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to include commercial real estate. He built a one hundred

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thousand square foot ten story office building he named the Embassy.

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This building had the distinction of being one of the

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first buildings built in Dallas with no intention of ever

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being occupied. For over four years it stood empty. So

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many buildings had popped up overnight in Dallas during the

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real estate boom when borrowing money was cheap, that there

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was a vast surplus of inventory. Part of the problem

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with Edelman's Embassy building was with code violations, and just

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as he had with his residential business, he was loath

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to make repairs and was denied a certificate of occupancy.

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A story in d magazine at the time quoted a

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builder who said that building didn't get a certificate of

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occupancy because of the asshole factor. It was ninety percent

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code problems and ten percent asshole problems.

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And by asshole problems, he meant Robert gotcha.

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Among the most affluent areas in the Dallas Fort Worth

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area is the Park Cities, made up of University Park

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and Highland Park, where the average home price today is

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around three million dollars. In nineteen eighty four, while business

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was still strong for the Edelmans, Robert decided to build

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an all brick, seventy three hundred square foot mansion on

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Carath Street. House was imposing, cold, and poorly designed by Robert.

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Friends secretly called it the Amityville Horror.

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So I couldn't find any pictures of this house, but

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he mostly designed it. The one room that was described

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was the master bathroom, and I guess it was large.

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But in the middle of the bathroom there was a

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glass shower in the middle, right in the middle, and

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I'm not sure how they were positioned, but there were

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two toilets, like a his and hers toilet, and they

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were facing each other. That's sweet, it is, really I know.

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I wish that we had that at our house. I

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wish I could see you when you're.

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Let's move on from that. Linda often sought refuge from

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Robert on the unfinished third floor of the mansion, where

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she had made a sitting room for herself with her

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wicker furniture that Robert called taki.

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So this third floor that she would hang out on

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like it was very unfinished, like there were you know,

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like rafters and like there was a floor, but it

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wasn't flooring. Is just the beams and things like that. Yeah,

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it's kind of weird that that was where she chose

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to hang out. Yeah.

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Linda decorated the children's spaces to be cozy and comfortable,

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but Robert insisted that the area is meant for guests

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be lavishly decorated. But soon Robert's business began to collapse,

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like so many others in Dallas at the time, and

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his loans fell into default. His net worth, once more

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than six million dollars, plummeted to around seven hundred and

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fifty thousand dollars. We'll be back after a break.

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Robert's hedonistic lifestyle had left him obese, his appearance increasingly

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coarse and almost beast like. The Times. Record News likened

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him to Joba the Hut.

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Wow.

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Ouch, Robert is repugnant. I've seen pictures of him, and

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I don't think he was as gross as everyone has.

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Described, not quite as gross as job of the Hut.

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No, I don't want to sound like I'm defending him,

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but money and status gave him access to excess fine

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dining expensive wine, luxury cars, and women. What began as

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indulgence turned into entitlement. He surrounded himself with people who

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admired his wealth rather than his character, and over time

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his appetites grew bolder, while his sense of restraint eroded.

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The thrill of acquisition of things, experiences, control, and winning

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the next big deal became his driving force. His eyes

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bulged and his lips curled into a snarl as he

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hurled relentless insults at Linda, clad only in his underwear

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with folds of fat spilling over the waistband.

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Oh, thank you so much for leaving that picture in

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my head.

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Slowly, her confidence began to erode. He attacked her looks,

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even though she was lovely. He attacked her style, intelligence,

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sexual performance, and parenting skills, never letting up for a moment.

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The only solace Linda found was in her children. Business

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troubles only heightened his volatility in dark moods. In one

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furious outburst, he throttled Linda's neck until she lost consciousness.

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For days afterward, she struggled to swallow, with deep purple

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bruises circling her throat as a painful reminder of the attack.

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Friend's family and neighbors saw the abuse and urged her

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to leave. Once her neck began to heal from the

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strangulation attempt, Linda bought three one way plane tickets and

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took the children to Oklahoma. She didn't tell Robert until

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she was there safely with her family that she wasn't

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coming back to Dallas. She wanted a divorce, but Linda

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was stunned when she heard Robert sobbing on the other

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end of the phone. His bravado dissolved. Robert's voice became

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almost childlike as he begged her to come home and

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promised to change. She stood her ground and told him

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that she would return to Dallas only if he moved

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out of the house. In the fall of nineteen eighty five,

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after attending marriage counseling, Linda decided to end her sixteen

471
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:06.720
year marriage, describing her husband in court records as cruel, harsh,

472
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.480
and tyrannical. When Robert was served with the divorce papers,

473
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.759
he said, I will never give you a divorce. I

474
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:17.559
will see you dead. First people in Linda's family didn't

475
00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:20.279
get divorced, so this was a big step for her.

476
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.799
Divorce was just not something that you thought about. He

477
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.039
had me convinced it was my fault, so I accepted

478
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.839
all of the responsibility for it. I would try new approaches,

479
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.200
but he would just get angrier and angrier. The violence

480
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:38.200
just got worse and worse. Linda said she was too

481
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.359
scared to leave. At the time, Stephen was seven and

482
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.920
Kathleen five. For years, the children had witnessed their parents'

483
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:49.559
tumultuous relationship. The judge proposed a house swopping arrangement, in

484
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:52.279
which the children would remain in the family home while

485
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.000
the parents rotated in and out every ten days. It

486
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:58.480
was a good idea in theory, but in practice, the

487
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:02.200
children much preferred living with their mother and were devastated

488
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:05.680
each time the swap cycled back to Robert. Despite the

489
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:10.119
lock on her bedroom door, Robert broke in Stolenda's clothes

490
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.200
and jewelry and gave her belongings to his dates. Even

491
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:18.480
her attorney's office was burglarized, and act investigators believed Robert

492
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:21.240
had arranged He was making it clear that he wouldn't

493
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:24.960
let Linda go easily. She was nervous that every attorney

494
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.240
in Dallas was in Robert's pocket. She hired a new attorney,

495
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:34.519
m j eike Vandernigel, an unflappable, protective man whom Linda

496
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.799
believed had high morals and her best interest at heart.

497
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.759
The divorce had become so bitter that the court had

498
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.319
to intervene over the smallest details, even holding a hearing

499
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:46.519
to decide who would be allowed to do their daughter

500
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:50.160
Kathleen's ballet bun and make up before her dance recital.

501
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.279
Guy have a hard time believing that Robert would want

502
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:53.799
to do that.

503
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:56.480
I believe you never wanted to have anything to do

504
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:58.200
with our daughter's ballet bunch.

505
00:26:58.519 --> 00:26:59.960
Well, I was an expert at creating.

506
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:06.000
Okay, but that just demonstrates how petty he was. I

507
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.680
consisted that Linda attend the recital with a private investigator

508
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:13.880
he knew to protect her. Robert attended with his new girlfriend,

509
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:18.640
Diana Kay. Religion again became an issue between the Edelmans

510
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:21.799
when in her custody, Linda took the children to her

511
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.359
Baptist church and Robert took them to his synagogue. The

512
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:28.960
judge noted during the divorce, both Linda and Robert seemed

513
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.119
to grow more devout, each trying to outdo the other

514
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:35.680
in their displays of their faith. Brian Webb, the court

515
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:39.039
appointed attorney for the children, said what these people were

516
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.640
doing to their children was just atrocious. They both loved

517
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.240
their kids, there was no question of that. But I've

518
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.680
never seen two people behave so misguidedly with their children.

519
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:53.000
The court recognized that professional intervention was necessary to help

520
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.559
the children navigate the turmoil surrounding their family. A court

521
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.920
appointed psychiatrist was brought in to evaluate the children, as

522
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.759
the bitter divorce was taking a clear toll on their

523
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:07.400
mental and emotional well being. Teachers reported declines in school performance,

524
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.960
with both children struggling to concentrate in complete assignments. Knights

525
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:16.799
became restless. They experienced frequent nightmares and trouble sleeping, waking

526
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:21.319
anxious and withdrawn. The stress of witnessing constant parental conflict

527
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.079
left them emotionally fragile, and friends and family noticed a

528
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.759
marked change in their behavior. They were quieter, more anxious,

529
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:33.000
and hesitant to express themselves. Everyone told Robert that Linda

530
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.240
would win the custody battle. Their children were better off

531
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.880
with her. She was present, patient and loving. Friends even

532
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.720
offered to videotape Robert's reckless, striving and erratic behavior for

533
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:47.440
Linda in testifier on her behalf in court. For Robert,

534
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.519
it was about winning, not about what was in the

535
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:54.359
best interest of the children. But if Linda were to die,

536
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.079
no court or judge would stand in the way. He

537
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.799
would instantly gain full custody, and even better, he wouldn't

538
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.559
lose any money. They met in a dim corner of

539
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.880
a restaurant, a clandestine meeting between two men with dark intentions.

540
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.759
Robert Edelman unrolled a set of blueprints, smoothing them along

541
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.720
the table between them. This is the layout of my house,

542
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.400
and this is the route she will take, he said,

543
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.839
pointing to the document. The man sitting across from Robert

544
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.839
was James Young, sixty three, a retired colonel in the Army,

545
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.680
A slender man with a weathered face who worked as

546
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.160
a private investigator and sometimes in darker side projects. He

547
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.960
leaned in to study the drawing. His finger traced the

548
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:39.319
document without comment. Young had been in Edelman's employ for months,

549
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.400
keeping tabs on his wife. He was sure she was

550
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.480
having an affair, and he was determined to catch her

551
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.079
in the act. You see where that alarm panel is,

552
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.240
Robert asked, voice low. The garage would be the easiest

553
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.039
place to get her. There's no alarm there, Young met

554
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:57.440
his gaze. Got it make it look like a robbery,

555
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:02.319
Robert said brusquely, and he he hesitated, swallowing another darker request.

556
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:04.880
Her parents will be there too. You may need to

557
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.359
take care of them as well. Young's mouth twitched, half smile,

558
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.920
half grimace. My weapon, he asked, or to fill the

559
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.920
silence then from necessity, Hey, whatever you want, Robert replied,

560
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.880
whatever you're comfortable with. Young shrugged, Old army knife always

561
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.519
with me, no problem. He folded his hands on the

562
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.519
table and spoke calmly. How Soon Young asked, what you

563
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:28.799
need to do in the next two weeks? Robert said

564
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.799
he watched Young's face for any sign of hesitation. The

565
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.559
divorce trial was in two weeks, and Robert was nervous

566
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.920
he'd be denied custody. Of course, Young answered smoothly, no worries.

567
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.680
Robert handed over two thousand dollars, a down payment of

568
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.079
the forty five thousand dollar fee. He told Young that

569
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.039
he would need proof that Linda was dead, the jewelry

570
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.200
that she wore daily. A Rolex watched a ring and

571
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.720
a locket with Stephen and Kathleen's pictures. He wouldn't pay

572
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.839
the balance until he had these items in his possession.

573
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.519
They left the rest restaurant like two men who had

574
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.440
finalized a deal. Few words exchanged and little emotion expressed,

575
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:09.200
just the quiet efficiency of two men doing business. Did

576
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.079
Robert feel the weight of the decision he'd made? Did

577
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.960
he think about the implications on his two young children,

578
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:19.400
who adored their mother? Not likely. Young, a former Green

579
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.039
Beret and decorated war hero, didn't plan on killing anyone.

580
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.680
He didn't like to get his hands dirty, although he

581
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.799
never shared this information with Edelman. He was deeply entrenched

582
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.319
in the shadowy world of mercenaries and hired killers. His

583
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:35.960
role was to find the hit jobs, not do the

584
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.000
dirty work himself. He'd find someone to get rid of

585
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:42.960
Robert Edelman's problematic wife. He reached out to an associate,

586
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.400
Fred Zabatowski, also a decorated war veteran, to make the

587
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.720
hit on Linda Edelman and her parents if necessary. Zabatoski

588
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.720
declined the job and said he'd put Young in touch

589
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:58.759
with a skilled and trusted associate. Young offered ten thousand

590
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:02.359
dollars for the job while quietly pocketing thirty five thousand

591
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.039
dollars of the fee for himself.

592
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.359
Why are all these decorated war veterans willing to either

593
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.200
kill someone or help kill someone. You would think you

594
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.119
could trust someone who was a decorated war hero.

595
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.160
Well, I believe these guys are the exception, not the rule.

596
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.799
But can you believe that Colonel Old Young is pocketing

597
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.720
thirty five thousand dollars and the person who's doing the

598
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.880
putting himself at greater risk or only getting paid ten

599
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:26.599
thousand dollars?

600
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.119
Yeah, that's kind of crazy. Days later, Linda's new lawyer,

601
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.599
Ike called with an urgent request. Thus far, Ike had

602
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.240
been worth his FT fee. He had gotten Linda out

603
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.839
of the house sharing arrangement that had been such a disaster. Linda,

604
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.480
I need you in my office Saturday morning, eight forty

605
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.359
five sharp, he said. It's important, so important in fact,

606
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.000
that he was cutting his vacation short to meet with her.

607
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.400
Linda hung up, convinced that Robert and his attorneys had

608
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.319
come up with a new tactic to cheat her in

609
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.519
the divorce settlement. Whatever it was, she was ready to

610
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.680
fight back. When she arrived, Ike usher her inside almost immediately,

611
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.920
his expression tight with impatience. You're late, he snapped. Come in,

612
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.319
this is serious. Inside two unfamiliar men were waiting. They

613
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.319
were tall, stone faced, and their presence filled the small office.

614
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.880
Missus Edelman one said, flashing his credentials. We're with the FBI.

615
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:25.240
Linda blinked, confused the FBI. The agent nodded gravely. Linda.

616
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.640
On June twenty fifth, a witness came forward with information

617
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.039
that your husband hired someone to kill you, he said, evenly,

618
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.160
getting to the point, and we're aware there's already been

619
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.920
one failed attempt. Linda felt weightless, unmoored as his impossible

620
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.720
words echoed through her brain. He continued, The man your

621
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.559
husband hired followed you and your family to Disney World

622
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.480
last month. His orders were to kill you and your

623
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.200
parents in front of your children, if necessary. Linda felt

624
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.400
the blood rush from her face, her ears rang The

625
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.920
room tilted slightly. She saw his lips moving, but couldn't

626
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:03.200
process a word. Tears stung her eyes as a cold

627
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:07.279
realization took cold. Robert had been cruel, even violent, but

628
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.199
she had never ever believed he would try to kill her.

629
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.199
The agent folded his hands and looked at Linda with

630
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:17.360
a steady professional calm. Robert hired a man named James Young.

631
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.280
Colonel James Young. Young delegated the job. The FBI agent continued.

632
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.199
He gave the job to an associate who agreed to

633
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.039
do the job, but that man instead came to us

634
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.880
with the information. Linda frowned, not sure as she understood,

635
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.719
as she got her legs back under her, So he

636
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.079
turned on Young. We asked our informant to go back

637
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.400
and tell Young he didn't want to do it himself,

638
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.719
the agent continued, but he would refer Young to a friend,

639
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.159
someone called hit Man Jack.

640
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:48.920
Do you think hitman Jack was his birth name?

641
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.239
I would hope not, but yeah, it seems he was

642
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.400
destined for that job.

643
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.400
To me like this, this part of the story is like, really,

644
00:34:58.440 --> 00:34:59.920
his name is Hitman Jack.

645
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:06.400
That assumes that's pretty ridiculous. Linda's breath hitched and the

646
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.639
agent's eyes didn't leave hers. Hit Man Jack is an

647
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.840
FBI agent. The room went still. Linda's hands tightened in

648
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:18.079
her lap. The agent leaned forward. There's more. We believe

649
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.360
the best way to catch your husband is to run

650
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.000
a sting, to have you fake your own death for

651
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.639
a short time. It could be as little as a week,

652
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.199
possibly as long as a month. You want me to die,

653
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.960
Linda whispered. For the operation to work, he said, we'd

654
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.360
have to tell everyone, your parents, your friends, the public,

655
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:40.000
that you're dead while you're safely concealed in a secure

656
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.400
safe house. It's the only way to draw Robert Young

657
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.000
and their accomplices out.

658
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.000
I know what you're thinking, why don't they just arrest

659
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:52.000
Robert because he hired someone to kill his wife? But

660
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.360
they can't because no money exchanged hands and they didn't

661
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.159
have a recording of that conversation.

662
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.159
What I was actually thinking was I hope they fake

663
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.480
her death because I love stories like that. The only

664
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.079
thing that would make it better, and I don't know

665
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.400
what's going to happen, would be if they actually had

666
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.199
her fake her death and took like photos with fake

667
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:13.880
blood around and stuff like that. I think that's There

668
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:15.880
are other stories where that kind of thing happens, and

669
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:17.079
I just think it's really cool.

670
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.159
You have to wait and see, don't you think that's

671
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:21.480
really cruel though, for Linda to have to fake her

672
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.039
death and not letting her family and friends and that

673
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:25.800
is cruel.

674
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.519
Yeah. Linda stared at the FBI agent and pondered what

675
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.599
to do. The agent watched her closely, waiting for the

676
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:35.639
question that would decide everything. I can't do that to

677
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.519
my parents. It will kill them. There must be another way,

678
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.079
Linda pleted grudgingly. The FBI decided to include Virginia and

679
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.519
John da Silva in their plan, but not Stephen and Kathleen.

680
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.800
They were too young to understand. The plan was for

681
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:53.719
Linda to go missing while law enforcement would heavily suggest

682
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.000
publicly that Robert had something to do with her disappearance.

683
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.599
While Linda was secure in a safe house, Robert had

684
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.280
custody of the children from Friday to Wednesday. During that time,

685
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.719
the FBI decided to disappear Linda and take her to

686
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.920
a safe house. The plan called for hitman Jack to

687
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.159
give Linda's jewelry to Colonel Young as proof of the hit,

688
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.079
who would then inform Robert that the job was complete

689
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.840
if everything went according to plan. The safe house was

690
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.480
Ike's lake House, about two hours from Dallas. The FBI

691
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.960
wanted to place Linda further away, but she refused because

692
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.079
she didn't want to be too far from her children

693
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.719
in case of a mishap, The FBI promised Linda, who

694
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.239
was badly shaken, dizzy with fear that she would be

695
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.920
in their sights at all times, even if she didn't

696
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.559
see them they were watching. The one consolation to Linda

697
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.519
was if she was able to survive this, her custody

698
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.440
troubles would be over because Robert would be in jail

699
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.400
for a long time. The FBI asked Linda not to

700
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.079
say anything to her parents about the plan over the weekend.

701
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.760
It was a delicate operation with many moving parts. If

702
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.840
anyone slipped up, people could lose their lives. Once informed

703
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.480
a few days later by the FBI agents, the Da

704
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.400
Silvas were incredulous that their son in law wanted their

705
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.320
daughter and even themselves dead. After they had recovered from

706
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.360
the shock of their life, they agreed to cooperate. They

707
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:18.480
played an important part in the plan. They had previously

708
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:21.239
planned to drive to Colorado with Linda and the kids

709
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.079
in their new motor home the following Wednesday. On Tuesday,

710
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.239
they would drive to Linda's house in Dallas. She would

711
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.360
be at the safe house, but it would appear that

712
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.599
she had gone missing. At five pm sharp, they would

713
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.559
head to the police station to report her missing. The

714
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.639
FBI was concerned that Robert might have some moles in

715
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:42.719
the police department, so there was one particular officer that

716
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.039
would be on duty that they believed was trustworthy, who

717
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:48.719
would take the report that would set the wheels in

718
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.840
motion for the media to report on the disappearance and

719
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:56.280
for the FBI to interview Robert. The FBI had cautioned

720
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.679
Linda that she couldn't take anything from her house or someone,

721
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.079
especially her beloved housekeeper Rozilla, might be tipped off, not

722
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:08.039
even a suitcase, especially a suitcase. She bought all new

723
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.719
clothing and toiletries for her stay at the safe house.

724
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:13.360
She placed them in file boxes to make it look

725
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.480
like she was carrying case files from the upcoming trial.

726
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.480
She spent the weekend on edge, hyper vigilant, fully aware

727
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.159
that her life was in danger, along with the lives

728
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:26.280
of her loved ones and the agents assigned to protect her.

729
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:28.960
The last thing she did before she left her home

730
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.840
was to write a will. At four pm on Monday,

731
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.280
she went to Ike's office under the guise of having

732
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.039
an appointment, but this was the planned time for her

733
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.840
to be handed over to FBI custody. Ike drove her

734
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.679
to his lake house two hours north of Dallas. They

735
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.360
stopped at a grocery store to get provisions for Linda

736
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.519
for the week. Linda and Ike's blood ran cold when

737
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:53.320
a cashier said hello and greeted him by name. Worried

738
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.360
that any slight misstep could result in a blown operation,

739
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.880
Ike showed Linda around the lake house and got her settled.

740
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.079
Before he left, he cautioned her not to answer the phone.

741
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.039
If the FBI needs to reach you, they will call

742
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.000
me first, and then I will call you. That's the deal.

743
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.960
I will let the phone ring three times, hang up,

744
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.280
and call back thirty seconds later. Do not answer the

745
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.199
phone to anyone else. It was a sleepless night for Linda.

746
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.719
She began to rethink the FBI's strategy of leaving her

747
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:26.280
alone in the woods in an unfamiliar house. The next morning,

748
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:33.800
just after dawn, the phone rang. Linda counted the rings one, two, three, four, pause,

749
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.559
then thirty seconds later it began to ring again. Ike

750
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.760
had been very clear about their signal. She decided not

751
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.320
to answer, but the phone continued to ring off the

752
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.559
hook for the rest of the morning, four rings, pause,

753
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.599
then ringing again. Her nerves frazzled, she was unsure what

754
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.000
to do. A coffee cup slipped from her unsteady hands

755
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.159
and shattered on the floor. Tears welled in her eyes.

756
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:59.480
How had this nightmare become her life?

757
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.400
She woned, So, who do you think was calling?

758
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.880
I think it was the lawyer. I always wonder what

759
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.079
the phone's ringing. I often wonder this, like if if

760
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.719
I hear three rings, does that mean they hear three rings?

761
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.360
You're spot on exactly. It was I can he called

762
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.079
at least twelve times, he said, And he was super

763
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.840
frustrated because on his side it was, you know, ringing

764
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.360
the three times, and on her side it was ringing

765
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.079
four times. Well, poor Linda was beside herself. She's like,

766
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.800
it's so close. He told me not to answer to

767
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.599
anyone else, And you were so scared being in this

768
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.840
lake house by herself, and you know, not sure if

769
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.119
she should trust anyone. Yeah, you know, the people say

770
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.039
their FBI agents. But she's like, yeah, I don't know.

771
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.639
Yeah, that would be a terrifying experience. We'll be back

772
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:47.559
after a break.

773
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.440
Meanwhile, back in Dallas, Linda's absence was almost immediately discovered.

774
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.239
Each night when the children were with Robert, they called

775
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.679
Linda to say good night. It's seven pm sharp, they'd

776
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.639
tell her about their day, and sometimes she'd sing to

777
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.400
them or read a story over the phone. She never

778
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.480
missed a call. Ever, Those nightly moments grounded the children.

779
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.559
Linda was their anchor. But that night, at seven pm,

780
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.960
there was no answer. Eight year old Stephen, bright and perceptive,

781
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.960
immediately sensed something was wrong. His mother would never forget

782
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.960
their call. Panic began to rise in his chest.

783
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:33.719
That must have been one of the hardest things for

784
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:36.559
her to like, let I know, oh, I was so young,

785
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.159
but to let them believe that she was just not

786
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:40.119
answering their call.

787
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.000
And it sounds like Stephen, especially was very closely bonded

788
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.800
with his mother, and it sounded like he knew that

789
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:50.880
she needed protecting from Robert. So it was made that

790
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:55.039
much more traumatic for Stephen. So Stephen called mary Ellen Lehner,

791
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:58.639
a friend and neighbor of the Edelmans. Hearing the panic

792
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.519
in his voice, she'd tried to calm him and promised

793
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.679
to check on Linda. When mary Ellen arrived, the house

794
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.960
was dark and still. She pressed her face to the windows,

795
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.239
straining to see inside, but there was nothing, no movement,

796
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:16.440
no light. She returned home, where the phone was ringing again. Stephen,

797
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:21.199
still anxious, Mary Ellen assured him once more, suggesting that

798
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.079
his mother was probably out visiting a friend in need.

799
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:27.320
When mary Ellen hung up with Stephen, she called Risilla,

800
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:32.039
the Edelman's longtime housekeeper. Risilla told her that Linda had

801
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:35.440
met with her lawyer at four o'clock. Risilla had gone

802
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:39.159
home shortly after. By now, Linda should have been back home.

803
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.239
She hadn't mentioned any other plans, and she certainly wouldn't

804
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.280
have missed the call with her children. Both women were

805
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.039
gravely concerned, though neither said it aloud. They were thinking

806
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:54.320
the same thing. Robert had done something terrible to Linda.

807
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.039
Poor Stephen was still beside himself with worry. He called Risilla,

808
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:03.000
seeking rehashas, assurance and answers. She tried her best to

809
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.679
calm him. She called Mary Ellen again and asked her

810
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.559
to reach out to Linda's parents in Oklahoma to see

811
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:13.159
if there could have been a family emergency. Virginia's calm

812
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:17.239
demeanor surprised mary Ellen. They didn't seem to be concerned.

813
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.039
They hung up and agreed to speak the next day.

814
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.960
But if you remember Virginia and John, Linda's parents, they

815
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:24.639
were in on it.

816
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:26.920
Yeah. Well, It almost seems like they should have acted

817
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.400
a little more alarmed if they really didn't want to

818
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:30.000
blow the plan.

819
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.199
When Risilla arrived at the Edelmans the next morning, she

820
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.719
went straight to Linda's room as she always did, to

821
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.320
wake her, but the bed was empty. The covers were rumpled,

822
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:41.840
yet it didn't look as if anyone had actually slept

823
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.079
in the bed. The bottom of the sheets were still

824
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.559
neatly tucked in, just as Risilla had left them the

825
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.880
day before. She called Mary Ellen to tell her that

826
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.239
Linda was still missing and her car was gone. When

827
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.599
Mary Ellen called the De Silvas that morning and got

828
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.360
no answer, she reached out to Linda's sister, Miriam, who

829
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:04.000
immediate grew concerned. Next, she phoned Ike, who told her

830
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.800
not to worry. He would contact law enforcement, but before

831
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.880
hanging up, he asked her to keep it under her

832
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.239
hat smooth like. The request struck Mariyellen as strange. Shouldn't

833
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.599
everyone be worried but Linda was missing. Miriam then called

834
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:22.360
several other relatives, setting off a firestorm of concern. Soon

835
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.880
the entire family was worried, not just about Linda, but

836
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.480
also about John and Virginia. After someone drove to their

837
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.880
house and found them missing as well. The local police

838
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.719
were contacted and a missing person's report was filed. So

839
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.199
soon after, Miriam and her aunt Jeanie got on the

840
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.719
road and headed to Dallas. Meanwhile, Rizilla called every person

841
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.719
in Linda's phone book to see if anyone had seen her.

842
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.559
Ike couldn't believe how fast the chain of events had unfolded.

843
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:54.360
The plan was already in jeopardy. No one was supposed

844
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.400
to know that Linda was missing until the next day, Wednesday,

845
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.639
when Robert returned. The children did under as estimated how

846
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.360
un edged the communities surrounding Linda was after she'd suffered

847
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:08.039
from years of abuse. Virginia and John de Silva weren't missing,

848
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.480
of course. They had packed up their motor home early

849
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.239
and hit the road to Dallas, deliberately taking their time

850
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.679
to avoid the flood of phone calls they knew would

851
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.039
come about Linda's disappearance. The drive from their home in

852
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.599
Oklahoma to Dallas was a three hour drive, but they

853
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.719
intended to make it as long as possible. Their part

854
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.159
in the FBI's plan was to arrive at Linda's house

855
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.480
at four pm, but with their nervous energy. They arrived

856
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.440
in Dallas by lunchtime that De Silva stopped for a

857
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.920
bite to eat, then parked their motor home and decided

858
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.760
to relax and watch TV until it was time to

859
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.079
go to Linda's house. Miriam and Aunt Jeannie had high

860
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.440
tailed it to Dallas, making it in record time. They

861
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:49.639
hoped to find the big motor home with Virginia and

862
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:54.079
John safely inside, but they did not. Jerry Hubbell, one

863
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.599
of the agents assigned to protect Linda Edelman from a

864
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.760
hitman hired by her strange husband, approached the safe house

865
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:03.000
by motor boat. The sound of the engine startled Linda,

866
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.360
but relief washed over her when she recognized the FBI

867
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.639
agent bobbing along the water, glimmering in the morning light.

868
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.440
Short and solidly built, Hubble had a reassuring presence that

869
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.519
made Linda feel safe. Jerry asked if she wanted to

870
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.920
go for a ride on his boat, and she agreed.

871
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.760
Linda locked up the house securely and joined Jerry on

872
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.480
the boat. He offered her a hand to pull her aboard.

873
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.559
When seated, she felt exhaustion overtake her from the stress

874
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.840
of the past few days and the sleepless night, Linda

875
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:33.960
closed her eyes for a moment, lulled by the motion

876
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:36.159
of the boat and the sound of the waves crashing.

877
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.519
When she opened her eyes, Jerry was staring at her,

878
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:44.119
his expression unreadable. Where are we going, Jerry? Oh, just

879
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:48.199
a little ride, he shouted back. Her pulse quickened. She

880
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.239
mentally flipped through every piece of safety advice she'd ever heard.

881
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:55.079
Never let them take you to a second location. She

882
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.440
squinted into the sun, sizing him up carefully. You never

883
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.159
say much. I do sometimes, but not with you. Though

884
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.960
his grin returned friendly, er diabolical. It was hard to tell.

885
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.559
Why not with me? Well, you're not supposed to hear

886
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.719
my voice too much. We didn't want you to be

887
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:17.519
too familiar with it. Why not because I'm the hit man?

888
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:22.559
What you're leading me on here? This is He's not

889
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:23.920
really the hit man, is he.

890
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.599
You'll have to wait and see. Mary Ellen Risella, and

891
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.880
another close friend of Linda's, Janet Lesser, sat around the

892
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.440
kitchen table trying to come up with a plan. I

893
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:35.360
could just call to tell them that they needed to

894
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.440
wait twenty four hours before filing a missing person's report,

895
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.639
but that made no sense to them. They knew Linda

896
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.800
was in danger. Ignoring his instructions, they decided to go

897
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.960
to the police station anyway. The officers didn't seem to

898
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.719
take them seriously, but took down the information. Afterward, mary

899
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.760
Ellen drove around searching for Linda's car and mall parking

900
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.400
lots and other places she might have gone, but of

901
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.400
course the search came up empty. Linda's car was in

902
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.599
an FBI warehouse. When the women gathered back at Linda's house,

903
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.079
Miriam and aunt Jeanie arrived soon after, followed by Virginia

904
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:12.400
and John. There were tearful embraces and anxious questions about

905
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.960
Linda's safety, but several people couldn't help noticing that her

906
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:20.480
parents seemed off well. Everyone else was distraught. Virginia and

907
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.119
John appeared strangely calm, almost detached.

908
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:26.639
They really should have given Linda and John a few

909
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:31.199
acting lessons before to try to like coach them in this. Well.

910
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.159
I'm just glad that they had the peace of mind

911
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:36.719
knowing that Linda at that point was safe.

912
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:37.599
Yeah, for sure.

913
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.960
Linda's blood ran cold, and a low buzzing noise filled

914
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.519
her ears as she tried to process what Jerry had

915
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.000
just said. Soon they stopped at the marina. He offered

916
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.000
her a hand to help her out of the boat. Linda,

917
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.239
are you okay? You look like you've seen a ghost.

918
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:53.800
You didn't think I was the real hip man, did you?

919
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.719
He laughed. I'm hip man Jack, the fake hit man.

920
00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.960
They sat together at the marina and had a couple

921
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.400
of coffee together. Hitman Jack paid.

922
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.960
That was cruel. That was cruel what you just did.

923
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.800
I'm sorry. I don't normally do that, but I felt

924
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:10.159
like I needed to in this case.

925
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:13.280
No, that was a good little twist. At ten pm,

926
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.280
Colonel Young received a call at his home in Greenville,

927
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:19.760
an hour east of Dallas. The job's done, the voice said.

928
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.519
The FBI then issued a fake report alerting law enforcement

929
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.119
across Texas and Oklahoma that Linda's carr had been discovered

930
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.360
that evening July twenty first, nineteen eighty seven, at a

931
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.840
rest stop near Durant, just over the Texas border. There

932
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:36.920
were signs of foul play. The report read blood inside

933
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.239
the vehicle, but no body was found and immediate search

934
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.679
was launched. The FBI knew Robert would have already been

935
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.320
told the job was done, but they hoped he would

936
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:49.480
want to maintain the appearance of normalcy and wouldn't try

937
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.599
to keep the children. Everyone was on edge, knowing the

938
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:56.679
success of the entire operation depended on this critical.

939
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:59.000
Moment, meaning him dropping the kids off gotcha.

940
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.360
The group of Linda's friends and family waited anxiously for

941
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.559
the children to be returned home safely but promptly. At

942
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.440
eight a m. Robert pulled up in his black Cadillac.

943
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:11.159
The children ran from the car into the house, hoping

944
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:14.400
to find their mother. Robert backed down the long driveway,

945
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.639
not getting out of the car or even giving a

946
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.119
wave goodbye. A sense of relief flooded the adults in

947
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.320
the house. Now that Kathleen and Stephen were back home safely,

948
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.000
there was no way they'd let Robert see them again.

949
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:29.519
While Linda was still missing. Virginia tried to tell Kathleen

950
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.119
and Stephen that their mother was with their cat, who

951
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.320
was at the vet suffering from feline leukemia. It's a

952
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.639
very involved story. It was true that the cat was sick,

953
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.400
but Stephen doubted that Linda was at the vet. He

954
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:43.840
knew she'd be home to greet them if she was okay.

955
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.360
Before Linda left for the safe house, she had taken

956
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.519
the cat to the VAT, and she was pretty upset

957
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.760
about it because she wanted to be there to make decisions.

958
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.719
But she told the vet, I trust you make whatever

959
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.159
decision you need to make if I can't be.

960
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:01.440
There, gotcha. Later that morning, the children had an appointment

961
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:04.840
with their court appointed psychiatrist. As they were about to

962
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.920
leave to take the children to their therapy session, FBI

963
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.880
agent Joe Masterson came by to inform the family that

964
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.760
Linda's carr had been found with blood on the interior.

965
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.480
Because it would be reported by the media soon, Masterson

966
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:21.679
knew he needed to get to the uninformed family members. Soon.

967
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.079
They were rocked by the news, but again Virginia and

968
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.519
John were stoic. Upon hearing the news, John drove the

969
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:32.239
children to therapy, with Miriam tagging along for support. It

970
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.400
was decided that doctor Dan Myers would tell Kathleen and

971
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:39.559
Stephen that their mother was missing. Stephen especially was distraught

972
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:44.239
at the news, sobbing and rocking himself in the fetal position. Kathleen,

973
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.519
who tended to be less emotives, said, my mother is dead.

974
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:50.199
My daddy killed her. She went to her brother and

975
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:53.199
hugged him tightly to comfort him whispering in his ear.

976
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:55.519
Heart breaking.

977
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.320
Really, yeah, it's really heartbreaking. It makes you think there

978
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.199
must have been a better way to do this.

979
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.079
But I think the problem was that the FBI had

980
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:08.599
seriously underestimated how perceptive these kids were. Yeah, they were

981
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.079
both like super smart and perceptive.

982
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.679
When FBI agent Joe Masterson called Ike to check on

983
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.920
the children, he could tell the emotional toll on Kathleen

984
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.000
and Stephen was too great. They needed to be reunited

985
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.679
with their mother in the safe house. The challenge was

986
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:27.079
figuring out how to make it happen without arousing suspicion.

987
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.400
They decided Virginia and John would take the children in

988
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.920
their motor home under the guise of bringing them back

989
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.800
to Oklahoma to escape the media frenzy. The FBI also

990
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.599
agreed to let Miriam in on the truth that Linda

991
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.559
was alive and safe, so she could help quell the

992
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.480
growing panic among the others. But Ike underestimated the children.

993
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.719
They refused to go into the motor home. They wanted

994
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.440
to stay at home until their mother was found. Ike

995
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.039
had no other choice but to take them outside and

996
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.039
tell them that their mother was alive and their grandparents

997
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.760
were taking them to her, and Stephen shouted in joy

998
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.239
at the news. Ike had to force them into the

999
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.440
motor home so they wouldn't alert the others. Once the

1000
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.440
children were on their way to meet Linda, FBI agent

1001
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:15.000
Joe Masterson descended on Robert's office, Mister Edelman, I'm very

1002
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.960
sorry to inform you that your wife, Linda Edelman, has

1003
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.480
been missing since Monday evening. A search for her is underway.

1004
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.039
The FBI was asked to enter the case when her

1005
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:26.480
car was found at a rest stop across the state

1006
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:30.360
line in Oklahoma. Masterson told Robert that Linda's car was

1007
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.280
found with what was likely bloodstains. He was a suspect,

1008
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.079
and Masterson asked him his whereabouts at the time of

1009
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:41.119
her disappearance Monday evening. Robert said he was with the children.

1010
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:45.800
The interview was short, but Edelman was obviously unnerved. Later,

1011
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:49.320
Robert met with the colonel again at Howard Johnson's. He

1012
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.719
was furious, you are supposed to make it look like

1013
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.559
a robbery. Why would you remove her and her vehicle

1014
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:57.760
from the house. It makes no sense, he exclaimed. When

1015
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.639
Colonel Young admitted that he had hired hitman Jack to

1016
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:03.719
do the job, himself rather than carrying it out personally.

1017
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.880
Robert exploded in anger, but Young quickly assured him that

1018
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.440
Jack was the best and that the job had been completed.

1019
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:15.039
I mean, he didn't know anything about Hitman Jack.

1020
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.639
Saves Hitman Jack. Of course he's the best.

1021
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:18.239
Obviously.

1022
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:21.320
The FBI had keen eyes and ears on the meeting.

1023
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.599
No money changed hands. They didn't want to make any

1024
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:28.519
arrests until that happened. I'm just remembering that Robert hates

1025
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.639
to pay people too, so this could take a while

1026
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:31.559
at guessing.

1027
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:32.880
Farious stute observation.

1028
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:36.000
As always, the next day, the colonel met with Hitman

1029
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:40.360
Jack aka Jerry Hubble. Hubble handed over Linda's jewelry and

1030
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.320
the colonel gave him an envelope with five thousand dollars

1031
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:47.840
cash inside. Once the money exchanged hands, two FBI agents

1032
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:50.880
seized the colonel, cuffed him and read him his rights.

1033
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:55.480
Minutes later, several more agents descended on Robert's office, guns drawn.

1034
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.800
Robert forty one surrendered and didn't utter a word. Like

1035
00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:02.360
then called the house and talked to Risella and told

1036
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.119
her that Linda and the children were safe and Robert

1037
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:09.360
was in custody. She cried giant tears of relief. Neighbors

1038
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.480
were quickly notified and they hurried to decorate the trees

1039
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:16.199
with yellow ribbons for Linda, Kathleen, and Steven's homecoming.

1040
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.639
So my heart goes out to Risella in this case,

1041
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:22.199
because that poor woman was really distraught over Linda's appearance.

1042
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.840
She loved Linda and the kids like her family. Yeah,

1043
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.079
and you let everyone else know. I can't Risella no well.

1044
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:32.320
And as cruel as it seems that they made people,

1045
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.320
they let people believe that Linda had been killed. I

1046
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:38.440
can only imagine like the relief that people felt when

1047
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:40.559
they found out it would be like her coming back

1048
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:41.360
to life.

1049
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:45.480
Almost gratefully. The murder plot had been thwarted, Robert and

1050
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.519
his henchmen safely behind bars, but the chilling question remained.

1051
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.280
Could he have hired multiple hit man? Were there more

1052
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.719
people lying in wait to kill Linda or her family members.

1053
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.280
Was there a plan that would set into motion to

1054
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:02.360
complete the hit if he was arrested. In the week

1055
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.920
after Robert's arrest, a bomb threat on Linda's home had

1056
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:10.440
been called in and the FBI found listening devices throughout

1057
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.800
her home. Linda, Stephen, and Kathleen along with Virginia and John,

1058
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:18.760
were once again whisked away and kept under the FBI's

1059
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:22.760
watchful eye. The trial began in February nineteen eighty eight.

1060
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:26.079
Linda took the stand and testified about the domestic violence

1061
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:29.360
that she and the children had endured, but the defense

1062
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.679
managed to paint her as a vapid socialite with a

1063
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.199
spending problem. The prosecution argued that Robert Edelman had hired

1064
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.920
James Colonel Young to kill his estranged wife to protect

1065
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.000
his money and gain custody of the children. The defense

1066
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:47.400
countered that Young was a disturbed man who had plotted

1067
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:50.599
the murder on his own. Robert had only hired him

1068
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.840
to follow Linda, hoping to catch her with a boyfriend,

1069
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:57.360
not to kill her. The FBI had failed to produce

1070
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.559
a single photograph or video proving that Robert and Young

1071
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.559
had ever met to discuss a murder plot. Bank records

1072
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:09.360
also undermined the prosecution's theory. Robert's monthly spending remained steady,

1073
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.400
with no sign of the twenty one thousand dollars allegedly

1074
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:17.239
paid to Young. Defense attorney Steve Sumner argued that both

1075
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:21.519
motives money and custody made no sense Robert wasn't fighting

1076
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:25.840
for full custody, and his finances were collapsing, not thriving.

1077
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.039
When Robert took the stand, he came across as calm

1078
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.639
and credible to many observers. He spoke about his upcoming

1079
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:36.360
November wedding to his fiance, Diana Kay and their plans

1080
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.639
for a European honeymoon with his children proved. The defense

1081
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.519
argued that he had no reason to want Linda dead,

1082
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.440
and he'd never really wanted full custody. I said something

1083
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.599
a minute ago about the twenty one thousand dollars that

1084
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:53.719
he paid to Young. Remember that he was a private

1085
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.519
investigator too, and that he'd been private investigator for months

1086
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:01.159
leading up to the murder plot. The trial came down

1087
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.679
to a battle of credibility between two men with checkered pasts.

1088
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:08.960
Both had lied, but the jury ultimately chose to believe Young.

1089
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.400
After deliberating for less than three hours, the jury found

1090
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.440
Robert Edelman guilty and two counts of conspiracy to commit murder.

1091
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:20.719
Jurors later admitted that Robert's sarcasm and arrogance on the stand,

1092
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:25.360
what one dubbed the asshole factor, worked against him in

1093
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:29.119
the end. Demeanor seemed to outweigh proof, and Robert Edelman

1094
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.599
was convicted. He was sentenced to ten years in prison

1095
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.079
and fined one hundred thousand dollars. Robert also faced state charges.

1096
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.679
To avoid these charges, he gave off his parental rights

1097
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:44.000
to Kathleen and Stephen. Linda gave the deal her blessing.

1098
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.239
He was sentenced nine years by the state, but was

1099
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:51.280
able to serve the time. Concurrently, Colonel Young was sentenced

1100
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:54.440
to seven years in prison, receiving a lighter sentence for

1101
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:58.440
his co operation with the prosecution. So the FBI later

1102
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:02.800
found Colonel Jung to be a fraud. His decorated military

1103
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:06.679
career had been a sham. He'd been dishonorably discharged from

1104
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:10.159
the Army as a private in nineteen forty six. He

1105
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:13.079
had worked in various jobs over the years, never for

1106
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.880
very long until he became a private investigator, although he

1107
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.320
did not have the proper credentials.

1108
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.679
Well, that makes me feel better about my earlier comments.

1109
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.559
So there really weren't a bunch of decorated army heroes.

1110
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:28.960
No, And the one fella that was a decorated army

1111
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:32.440
hero he was the one who contacted the FBI but

1112
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:35.960
young went through great pains to he had like fifty

1113
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:40.559
proclamations like all over his walls and different fake medals

1114
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:42.960
to try to prove that he was this great war

1115
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:46.920
hero Wow. After his release from prison, Robert married Diana

1116
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:51.639
and formed another real estate company, DHLP, to develop the

1117
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:55.760
Drexel Highlander Building in Dallas. It was a partnership between

1118
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:59.719
Robert and a man named Glenn Wiggins. In twenty fourteen,

1119
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:03.039
Robert was indicted once again after a court ruled that

1120
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:07.559
he had fraudulently used company funds for personal luxuries, including

1121
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.840
living rent free in a four five hundred dollars a

1122
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:16.559
month DHLP penthouse condo despite being ordered to leave. His wife,

1123
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:20.920
Diana also collected illegal commissions even though she wasn't a

1124
01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:25.400
company employee. On the eve of the trial, Edelman filed

1125
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:29.960
for bankruptcy. The court awarded four point five million dollars

1126
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.239
in damages to DHLP, ruling Robert's debt non dischargeable and

1127
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.920
bankruptcy since it stemmed from fraud. It was ruled that

1128
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:42.800
he had secretly accessed and misused company funds and trusted

1129
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:46.039
to him by Wiggins, a longtime friend who had even

1130
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:48.639
introduced to him to his wife Diana.

1131
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:51.199
Once a crook, always a crook.

1132
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.440
Right, yep? So I believe that he died in twenty

1133
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:57.440
twenty four. There was a nineteen ninety three made for

1134
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:01.239
TV movie about the Edelmans called Dead for Dawn, starring

1135
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:05.039
Cheryl Ladd and Jamison Parker. Do you know who Jamison Parker?

1136
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.199
I don't. I know who Cheryl Ladd is, but not

1137
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:08.079
Jamison Parker.

1138
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:10.639
The name like sounded so familiar to me. He was

1139
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:14.760
in Simon and Simon, and he is blonde and has

1140
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.440
like really good hair that never moves. Linda sold the

1141
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.199
house and bought a smaller one. She taught voice lessons

1142
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:24.679
in her home and worked part time at a Baptist church. Kathleen,

1143
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:29.039
like her mother, shined on stage dancing and singing. Stephen

1144
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.320
threw himself into sports and excelled. So it sounds like,

1145
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:36.000
you know, after everything, the kids were okay. Yeah, And

1146
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.800
it sounds like Linda has a pretty peaceful life too.

1147
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:41.559
I think she's eighty now. I think she's still with us. Okay,

1148
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.960
that's good here, Yeah, so we have a happy ending.

1149
01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:45.119
Yeah, that's nice.

1150
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:46.960
A lot of people have asked for more stories with

1151
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:47.679
happy endings.

1152
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.039
So yeah, it's hard to find them, but when you do,

1153
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.199
they definitely do make you feel good.

1154
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:55.840
It's very nice not to have a rest in peace segment, Yes,

1155
01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:59.119
for sure. How much of Robert Edelman's motive do you

1156
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.800
think was finance versus emotional?

1157
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.880
Hmmm, good question. It seems like there was a little

1158
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.480
bit of both in him, Like he really liked to

1159
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.239
be controlling, but he also really liked money as well.

1160
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:12.679
So get I'm gonna go with fifty to fifty on

1161
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:13.239
this one, but.

1162
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:15.840
Yeah, hard, I think I'm gonna go like seventy thirty

1163
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.360
seventy money thirty emotional.

1164
01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:19.400
Yeah, that could be.

1165
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.400
What do you think of this sentencing? I'm not sure

1166
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.840
how long he served for. Again, there was not a

1167
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:27.719
lot of like, yeah, there are hardly any newspaper articles

1168
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:29.360
on this one. I read a book that I'll talk

1169
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.840
about in a minute. But so I'm not sure if

1170
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:34.480
he served the whole ten years, I mean, probably not

1171
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.639
right well, And it bothered me too that he was

1172
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.360
able to serve concurrently.

1173
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:41.599
Yeah, yeah, the sentencing seems kind of light. I'm always

1174
01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.960
kind of baffled when somebody hires someone to do a

1175
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:48.719
murder and it doesn't succeed, it feels like the sentence

1176
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:51.119
should be the same as if it did succeed. I mean, right,

1177
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:53.760
they took every action to try to kill someone, But

1178
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:55.880
I know it doesn't work like that, but it does

1179
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.440
seem very light, like ten years, and you know, he

1180
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:02.280
probably served five with good behavior. So yeah, it doesn't

1181
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.400
seem like enough for basically trying to kill your wife

1182
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.760
and potentially her parents as well.

1183
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:10.440
Right, because he made the decision to end her life.

1184
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:14.199
The reason her life wasn't ended was because someone else intervened. Right.

1185
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:16.480
Do you think he put the hit out on her

1186
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.519
because she filed for divorce?

1187
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.559
Yeah? I think guys like him they can't take that

1188
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:25.519
sort of rejection like he. You know, well, partly the money,

1189
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.039
you know, he would probably have to pay her off

1190
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:29.920
a fair amount, but I think just you know, people

1191
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.039
like that can't handle being rejected.

1192
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:34.960
Right, And he had a lot of kind of deceitful

1193
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:38.840
behavior in his background, and he really wasn't an honest businessman.

1194
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.599
He wanted to like kind of screw people out of money.

1195
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:45.800
Do you think those character traits in part mean that

1196
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.039
he is more likely to kill his wife?

1197
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:50.159
Kind of? Yeah? I mean the first spread flag to

1198
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:53.039
me was when he was like harassing that the one

1199
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:55.599
woman who had bought a house, you know, and wanted

1200
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.800
him to make repairs, and he's like basically stalking her

1201
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.559
and calling her, and I mean there's a lot of

1202
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:03.599
red flags there for someone like that.

1203
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.280
Do you feel like justice was served in this case?

1204
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:09.760
I mean, Linda has her life and her peace and freedom,

1205
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.800
and she was able to raise her children out of

1206
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.280
her own right, and I think that's probably what she

1207
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:15.480
would have most wanted.

1208
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:18.679
Yeah, So in some ways, I just think the sentence

1209
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:22.519
wasn't enough to really do justice. But I mean, overall, yeah,

1210
01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:26.079
she came out of it, Okay, she survived, she got

1211
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.159
custody of the children. I'm assuming the children have nothing

1212
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:31.960
to do He had nothing to do with him anymore

1213
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.920
from that perspective, So overall, yeah, I just wish the

1214
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:36.320
sentence had been longer.

1215
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:38.840
Yeah. I didn't say much about the movie, but I

1216
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.760
watched about half of the movie and it's available on YouTube.

1217
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:44.679
You can watch the whole thing commercial free. I will

1218
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:46.719
link it in show notes. I thought it was pretty solid.

1219
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:47.159
Yeah.

1220
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:48.719
Yeah, And I think I was watching it the other

1221
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:50.679
day when you were coming about it, and I said

1222
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:54.920
Cheryl Land was kind of a babe because she was

1223
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:56.920
Charlie's Angels. They were pretty lady.

1224
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.840
Sure, sometimes those older, those made for tea movies from

1225
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:02.840
like the eighties and nineties, they can be they can

1226
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:05.159
be kind of cheesy, but yeah, sometimes they did a

1227
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:06.159
good job with them.

1228
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.960
Yeah. Absolutely, this was probably better than a Lifetime movie,

1229
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.599
but there is nothing wrong with a lifetime movie in

1230
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:13.119
my opinion.

1231
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:13.599
I know.

1232
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:17.280
So my main source was a book called My Husband's

1233
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:20.840
Trying to Kill Me, A true story of money, marriage

1234
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:26.599
and murderous and intent by Jim Shootsie. And I can't

1235
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.159
really say that I recommend this book. I always felt

1236
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:32.559
bad when that happens, but I had never seen and

1237
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:35.559
I thought it was a newer book, but I think

1238
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:37.880
the kindle version was what was new as I was

1239
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.320
searching for like newer true crime books and yeah, press

1240
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:43.400
this one. So there was one section when like I'm

1241
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.199
not kidding, like forty pages were repeated and.

1242
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:49.599
I was like, that's bizarre.

1243
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:51.320
It was very strange, and I was like, do I

1244
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:54.239
have like was there a slight difference? And Win did

1245
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:56.280
it end? And Win died it? So it was really.

1246
01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:59.920
Superasy be a pretty significant mistake to not catch before

1247
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:01.280
it went out in the kindle edition.

1248
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.239
Yeah, one more question for you. You were talking about

1249
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:07.679
how the parents, Virginia and John, maybe they should have

1250
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.360
been given acting lessons, But what do you think about

1251
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:13.840
FBI men. Do you think they have acting lessons?

1252
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.360
No, did they not do a good job acting?

1253
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:18.800
I'm not saying I don't know if they did or didn't,

1254
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:21.960
but I feel like that's a hard thing to pull off.

1255
01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:23.320
It would be a hard thing to pull up.

1256
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:25.679
You have to be kind of emotional. But maybe they

1257
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:28.079
tend to be kind of not that they're cold and detached,

1258
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.320
but I think that's the way they're supposed to present themselves,

1259
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.239
So maybe they just always kind of act cold and detached.

1260
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.119
I would just think it would be hard to play

1261
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.800
along with, like, you know, starting an investigation and making

1262
01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:41.440
it look like you're doing an investigation when you're really not,

1263
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:43.559
Like you would just be sort of like, you know,

1264
01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.400
that would be hard to make up. But yeah, they

1265
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:50.199
would normally be fairly serious and not super emotional anyway,

1266
01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:51.920
so maybe not as hard for them.

1267
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:53.920
I think that's a fair point. Well, we hope that

1268
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.239
you guys enjoyed this happier edition. Of Love, Mary Kill,

1269
01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:06.400
the story of Linda da Silva and Robert Women Before

1270
01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.599
we Go. I have a couple of celebrity couple news

1271
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.760
stories that I saw this week that I thought that

1272
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:14.199
maybe we could talk good.

1273
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:17.239
Because I'm behind on my celebrity couples news.

1274
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.479
So it's not like, you know, people breaking up or

1275
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:21.279
it was just a couple of stories that I thought

1276
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:21.920
were interesting.

1277
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:22.279
Okay.

1278
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:26.600
One is Kelly Rippa and her husband Mark and Sualos

1279
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:29.960
on their show, which I haven't watched in like one

1280
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.279
hundred years, but they were talking about the airport and

1281
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:37.119
airport divorces, and Kelly told Mark that she wanted an

1282
01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:40.479
airport divorce. And what she meant by that is because

1283
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:43.439
I think I probably want an airport divorce too, okay,

1284
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:47.920
is that they have very different flying and traveling habits.

1285
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:48.319
Okay.

1286
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:50.399
And if you're Kelly, if you're a celebrity, like your

1287
01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:54.960
flying experience is completely different anyway, But actually yours is

1288
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.840
too because you have some sort of special clearance.

1289
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.279
Oh say pre check that only helps me get through

1290
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:03.840
security faster. Yeah.

1291
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:06.279
Right, But a lot of times you'll just leave me.

1292
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:08.239
See when you get to the other side.

1293
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:11.039
You're nice and you don't, but usually it's like yells you,

1294
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:14.359
which is always super fun to go to by security,

1295
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:16.880
to go through security by myself. But what she was

1296
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:19.479
saying was like Mark likes to get there super early

1297
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.119
and she doesn't. And I always make fun of you

1298
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:26.439
for that too. Yes, because you, like any I will

1299
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:28.600
say that You're probably right. I know you're supposed to

1300
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.840
get there early, but it's we never really hit traffic.

1301
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.000
The Detrade airport is never that busy.

1302
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.079
Yeah, but sometimes the parking garage is closed and you

1303
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:41.399
have to go to the other parking garage and take

1304
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:44.680
a shuttle bus and you just never know what's going

1305
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:46.560
to happen. I've had, I have had. There have been

1306
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:51.239
at least a few times that I would have missed

1307
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:53.319
my flight if I had not gotten to the airport early.

1308
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:56.319
But you're right. In general, ninety five percent of the time,

1309
01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:58.640
it's you know, I get their way too early.

1310
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:01.600
And you and your in your life and you're not

1311
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.119
a young man, no offense. You have never missed a

1312
01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:07.239
flight due to your own behavior.

1313
01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:09.560
I have come very close a couple of times, but

1314
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:11.000
and it never missed a.

1315
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:14.760
Flight, right, So that's pretty remarkable because you've taken you

1316
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:15.920
know a lot of flights in your life.

1317
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.560
Yes, but I'm still unclear of what the concept of

1318
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:20.399
an airport divorce actually is.

1319
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:22.479
I mean, I think she was just like being silly.

1320
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:25.800
She was just saying, like, you know, they go their separate,

1321
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:29.119
separate ways. Yeah, when I've heard too, like some couples

1322
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:32.920
won't fly together in case, you know, there's an emergency

1323
01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:34.119
like the plane crashes.

1324
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.479
Oh yeah, Like corporations, they are a lot of like

1325
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:40.760
insurance policies for corporate executives don't allow a certain set

1326
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:42.159
of executives to fly together.

1327
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:44.479
I didn't know that. I know that's like a thing

1328
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:46.960
with the president, Like, isn't like the president and the

1329
01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:48.880
vice president, right, will never fly together?

1330
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.600
Yeah, but that's it's true corporations. Yeah, a lot of times,

1331
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:54.840
like the executive leadership team, they will not be allowed

1332
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:55.439
to fly together.

1333
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:58.079
Yeah. So this other one you may have heard because

1334
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:00.680
it made a lot of headlines, but it was Kristen

1335
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:06.119
Bell and Dax Shepherd's anniversary last week. Yeah both. I

1336
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:08.720
think they're both Michigan natives. Am I right in that?

1337
01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:09.319
I think?

1338
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:09.760
No idea?

1339
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:14.560
But but Kristin posted happy twelfth anniversary to the man

1340
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:17.000
who once said to me, I would never kill you.

1341
01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:18.720
A lot of men have killed their wives at a

1342
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:22.079
certain point. Even though I'm heavily incentivized to kill you,

1343
01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:24.920
I never would. How do you think about that.

1344
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.000
I think it's just their sense of humor. I don't

1345
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:29.560
have a problem with it, but I know they got

1346
01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:30.359
in a little hot water.

1347
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.079
We've gotten a lot of trouble about it, Yeah, because

1348
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:36.079
you know, it's kind of making light of domestic violence.

1349
01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:38.760
And the reason I wanted to talk about it because

1350
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.399
I feel like we never try to make light of

1351
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:44.920
domestic violence. But I feel like the opening of our

1352
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.560
show and the ending of our show is a little cheeky,

1353
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.399
and we've talked about it a lot, and you know,

1354
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:54.159
I just never wanted to seem like we're being flippant

1355
01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:59.760
about you know, marital you know problems or you know, yeah,

1356
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:01.039
domestic violence.

1357
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:03.840
Yeah, Yeah, for sure, it is a fine line. I

1358
01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:06.640
think it's fun to be goofy and goof around and

1359
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:08.359
you know, joke about things like that. But at the

1360
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:12.039
same time, yeah, I would feel terrible if people felt

1361
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:14.119
like we were making fun of that sort of thing.

1362
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:16.840
And I'm sure they didn't, you know, same thing. I

1363
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.079
think they just have a quirky sense of humor and

1364
01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:19.840
we're being.

1365
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:22.520
Goofy, and yeah, I think sometimes people need to relax.

1366
01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:25.319
But I also, you know, do have so much empathy

1367
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.239
for people who have suffered through domestic violence?

1368
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:30.680
Yeah, I can totally see how that could be come

1369
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:32.279
off as offensive to folks.

1370
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.560
I have listened to a lot of interviews with Kristin

1371
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:36.840
Ball over the years, and if you know anything about her,

1372
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:39.960
she's a very kind and lovely person who only wants

1373
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:43.399
the best for everyone. So I'm sure she felt horrible about,

1374
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:46.119
you know, making some people feel a certain way. Yeah,

1375
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:48.680
I'm sure that was not her intent. Yeah, do you

1376
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:49.920
have anything else before we go?

1377
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:53.159
I just have a recommendation for a YouTube channel that

1378
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:55.960
I've been obsessed with lately. I'm not big on like watching.

1379
01:12:56.359 --> 01:12:59.159
Love Mary Kill You channel we always forget to talk about.

1380
01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:01.760
It is not that, but no, it is a is

1381
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:05.319
a channel. It's called Virgin Rock, and it is this

1382
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:09.960
woman who is a classically trained harpist and pianist. She

1383
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:14.439
teaches like classical music and basically she decided to start

1384
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:16.840
listening to rock music. She had never in her entire

1385
01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:20.039
life listened to popular or rock and roll music. Really,

1386
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:23.039
And so she makes these videos where she is listening

1387
01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:26.800
to famous songs for the first time and reacting to

1388
01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:30.159
them and basically giving her like feedback on them. And

1389
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:33.000
I would never think that would be something interesting to watch,

1390
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:36.319
but it's so fascinating. Like she'll listen to like Bohemian

1391
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.720
Rhapsody or like just you know, a lot of classic

1392
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.439
rock songs. And if you're into like classic rock like me,

1393
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:45.279
it's like introducing a friend to music for the first time.

1394
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:47.399
And she'll just listen and she gets these looks. She's

1395
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:50.159
like a very kind of prim and proper lady, and

1396
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:53.720
she just has these reactions that are just it's just

1397
01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:54.920
really fun to watch.

1398
01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:58.359
Why had she never listened to like rock music before.

1399
01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:01.039
I don't really know her background. She has some type

1400
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:03.039
of accent that I'm not able to play, so I

1401
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:04.720
don't know where she grew up, but I think she

1402
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.640
just all she did was classical music her whole life,

1403
01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:10.119
and so she just has never listened to this music

1404
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:10.960
at all before.

1405
01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:14.119
So does she try to play it then or make

1406
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:14.880
it classical?

1407
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:17.239
Sometimes she'll go over to the piano and play like

1408
01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:19.600
little bits like oh, here's you know here they're doing

1409
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:21.640
this thing where they go into this key or whatever.

1410
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:23.359
But no, she doesn't try to like play it. She

1411
01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:26.239
just gives her like feedback on the song, like you

1412
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:28.199
know what she likes. Yeah, she doesn't like. So it's

1413
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.199
really it's just really entertaining to watch.

1414
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:31.960
It sounds lighthearted.

1415
01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:35.960
It is, Yes, it's very lighthearted and it's just fun.

1416
01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:39.319
So when I'm working on the podcast sometimes I always

1417
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:43.760
want background music or background sound, and like modern classical

1418
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.199
is one of my favorite things to pick. It's you know,

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not classical classical, but you know, just like a little

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twist on it. Yeah, I will check that out.

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Yeah, definitely do.

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