Oct. 21, 2024

Marlene and Michael Warren

Marlene and Michael Warren
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On a quiet May 1990 morning in the upscale village of Wellington, Florida, Marlene Warren answered her front door to a brightly dressed clown bearing flowers and balloons. The clown calmly pulled out a gun and fatally shot Marlene from point blank range. Why would anyone want to kill Marlene? It would take decades to unravel this bizarre mystery.

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Sources:

  • https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-killer-clown-case-sheila-keen-warren-marlene-warren-murder-48-hours/
  • ABC 20/20, S45 E29, The Case of the Killer Clown
  • Snapped, S33 E19, Sheila Keen Warren
  • 48 Hours, Murder by Clown, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEpzQtnz9y0
  • Felonious Florida, The Killer Clown of Wellington
  • Zeman, David. “Masked clown bore flowers, gifts – and a gun.” The Miami Herald, May 27, 1990, p. A1.
  • Rozsa, Lori. “No motive in clown shooting.” The Miami Herald, May 30, 1990, p. B1.
  • Kozlowski, Ron. “Murder involving clown well-planned, police say.” The Palm Beach Post, May 30, 1990, p. B1.
  • Rozsa, Lori. “Clown-killing probe investigates link between auto firm, stolen car.” The Miami Herald, Jun 2, 1990, p. A1.
  • Kozlowski, Ron. “Police inspect victim’s phone records in clown slaying.” The Palm Beach Post, Jun 6, 1990, p. A1.
  • Ross Albers, Rebecca. “Racketeering, auto theft charges filed.” The Miami Herald, Oct 27, 1990, p. 2B.
  • Somerville, Sean. “Woman couldn’t be killer clown, kin say.” The Palm Beach Post, Nov 11, 1990, p. 1A.
  • Rozsa, Lori. “Slaying began 8-month ordeal, says ‘clown murder’ suspect.” The Miami Herald, Feb 3, 1991, p. 1A.
  • Caputo, Marc. “Errors found in sheriff’s evidence procedures.” The Palm Beach Post, Feb 16, 2000, p. 1B.
  • Duret, Daphne, et al. “Documents give deepest look yet at 1990 case.” The Palm Beach Post, Apr 14, 2018, p. 1A.
  • Freeman, Marc. “Husband of killer clown suspect: Cops ‘had nothing before, have nothing now’.” Florida Sun Sentinel, May 12, 2019, p. B1.
  • Freeman, Marc. “Clown suspect says she can’t afford defense.” Florida Sun Sentinel, Nov 9, 2019, p. A1.
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I am Rich and I'm Tina.

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And if there's one thing we've learned, and over twenty

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years of marriage.

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Some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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And some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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Welcome to love, Mary kill.

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Hey, hey Rich, how are you?

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I'm good? How are you? I'm doing great, beautiful crisp

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fall day. Here it is another beautiful fall, pants and

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socks and a hoodie. It's chili, Yes, it is.

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Well.

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I normally wear some sort of pants, but I'm actually

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wearing like long pants.

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I thought that was a little weird, Like I'm actually

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wearing pants.

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Yeah, you looked at me, funny.

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Yeah, you don't have colrophobia, do you?

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I don't, but our daughter does.

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And you know what colophobia is. Then I take it.

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Well, just because of context clues. I'm a sharp cookie.

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Because I've been talking about this case for weeks and

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I saying that it's about.

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Clown You keep talking about your clown race, and like.

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One, it's about a really evil clown. But that's what

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colorophobia is, the fear of clowns, and about I guess

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about five percent of the population has colorophobia.

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I would expect it to be significantly higher.

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Really well that five percent have colorophobia, but it is

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estimated that up to it could be over fifty percent

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of people at least have some fear of clowns, but

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maybe not full blown colorophobia. I'm sure you remember the

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summer picnic that we took our daughter to when she

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was how old was she one two?

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I really don't remember that incident very clearly. I remember

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another incident, Oh.

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Really, I remember that. So my company had a summer

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picnic for all the families and we took our daughter.

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She was I can't remember, she must have been not

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even two, and they had a clown there and we

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had to leave early because she just.

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Must have been the start of it. And one time

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I took her to a birthday party. There's a local clown.

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Her name is Colors, the clown. I don't think you

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were there, but or is I'm not sure if she

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still is working. But the sweetest lady, just a cute

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little lady. And she had a pet, chinchilla, and she

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had all these like cute little pets that you could

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you could hold in your hands, and Emma loved pets,

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so yeah, but she hid behind the chair. Yeah, and

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I think me might have left early. I don't remember,

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but yeah, I totally get it. Clowns are weird.

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They are where they could be very scary. This case

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is about a killer clown and it was a request

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from a listener of ours in South Florida, and the

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case actually takes place in South Florida. Unfortunately, I don't

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know the listener's name who requested it, because they requested

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it through our Google form, Okay, and they didn't put

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their name down. But I did want to thank whoever

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that listener is for the recommendation because it's a really

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fascinating case. And I did bring you a snack from

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Florida as well. Okay, Florida?

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Is it some alligator?

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No Florida. Well, their state pie is key lime pie.

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But I did not make you a key lime pie.

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But I got these cookie thins key lime pie flavored

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thin stairs. Okay, they look pretty interesting. Would you like

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to try them?

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Well, if they were homemade, i'd try them. I think

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I'm gonna I think I'm gonna just stain this.

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Okay, Well, I'm gonna try because they look really good.

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Be right back. How did you like my store bought

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cookie thin stairs?

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They're actually pretty good.

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I really like them.

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Actually, they smell really good. Yeah, smell really lamey.

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I'm not a big key lime flavor like. I don't

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love key lime pie.

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But those you ever had a key lime pie?

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I have tried a key lime pie once or twice,

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not often, but I've tried it. Just not a big

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But I, like you, not a fan of like sour things. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I thought those were good. I don't think I would

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seek them out to buy them. I think the thin stirs.

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I think that's a whole line.

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What would you rate them?

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Probably a six and a half out of ten.

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Okay, I'd give them a seven and a half out

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of ten.

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So you just shared your document with me and I

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only see ninety eight grammatical errors. So good job.

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Ninety eight that's pretty good. I strive to keep it

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under one hundred.

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I use grammarly and I don't think you do. And

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grammarily like tells you how many errors that you have.

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On Youria, Because I am smarter than graal.

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That you used, you have ninety eight errors. The reason

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I'm roasting you is because I didn't realize that you

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are still posting bloopers occasionally or you're saving bloopers, so

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it's really unfair. Don't you save your own bloopers. You

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just always are roasting me, So I'm going to be

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roasting you every chance I get. So ninety eight, that's good.

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I think last week is one hundred and fifty six.

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I don't often do bloopers, but somebody actually.

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Commented, because it's irresistible because.

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Somebody comment, and that's that. They said, I really missed

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the bloopers, and so I try to get back.

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And you just never make any mistakes, so they're always happening.

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Bit I don't make mestage.

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Okay, Well, do you want to jump into the case

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and tell us about Marlene and Michael Warren.

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Let's do that. Many people point to the evil clowns

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portrayed in fictional books and movies like Stephen King's It

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as the cause of their colorophobia, but the clown that

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showed up on the doorstep of Marlene Warren's home in

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her upscale neighborhood in Wellington, Florida, was all too real.

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On a Saturday morning in May nineteen ninety, the first

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day of the long Memorial Day weekend, Marlene was making

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breakfast for her son and a couple of his friends

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who had stayed over when they saw a brightly dressed

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figure coming up the walkway. Marlene answered the door to

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find a person in a full clown costume, make up,

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red nose, and an orange wig, bearing a basket of

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flowers and two foil balloons. The last words that Marlene

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spoke were oh, how pretty, as the clown pulled out

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a handgun and calmly fired point blank at Marlene's face.

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That's horrible.

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It is incredibly horrible. No one who knew Marlene Warren

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could imagine anyone wanting to harm her. The investigation would

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answer that question pretty quickly, but getting justice that would

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be a different story. Marlene May McKinnon was born in

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nineteen fifty and grew up in a middle class household

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in Mount Clemmens, Michigan. She was the middle child of

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three sisters. Growing up, Marlene loved clowns, as did her mom, Shirley.

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She had a clown themed bedroom for part of her

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childhood and even painted a picture of a clown that

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her mom kept forever. Even after Marlene was shot and

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killed by a person in a clown costume, Shirley still

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had a room full of clown art and collectibles. Years

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after Marlene was killed, Shirley said, quote, I don't hate clowns,

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I just hate one unquote.

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I was gonna mention this at the top when you

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started talking about clowns. But there was a weird period

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of time when clown decor was a thing.

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Mm hmm.

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Do you remember that?

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Yeah? I do.

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Actually, I think I had a couple of it were

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like Harleck when clowns and you would put them on

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a shelf or something.

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But yeah, yeah, it doesn't seem to happen much anymore,

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does it. No?

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For good reason.

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Around age fourteen, Marlene met a guy named John Arens.

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By nineteen sixty eight, eighteen year old Marlene was married

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with two baby boys, John Aarons Junior, who was born

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in nineteen sixty six when Marlene was just fifteen, and

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Joe Aarons, was born two years later. Tragedy struck not

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long after Joe was born, when John Senior died in

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a car accident. At age nineteen, Marlene was a widow

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with two young boys. She wasn't single for long though.

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At twenty years old, she met eighteen year old Michael Warren.

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Michael Warren grew up in Roseville, Michigan. I don't know

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a lot about his upbringing, but people described him as

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a hard working, blue collar kind of guy, rough around

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the edges, but also a smooth talker, a natural born salesman.

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People who later worked with Michael said that his passions

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in life were horse racing, steakhouses, and women. Eighteen when

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he met Marlene, he was energetic and ambitious, a real

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go getter. Marlene was instantly drawn to him, and the

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two were married within a couple of years. Soon after

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they married, Marlene and Michael decided to move to Florida

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to start a new life. Michael became a father figure

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to John Junior and Joe. Joe would later say that

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they had a good life and a happy family. People

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described Marlene as America's mom, always cheerful and smiling, loved

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by everyone. She would do anything for anyone without a

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second thought. When they moved to Palm Beach County, Florida

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in nineteen seventy two, Michael got a job with the

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Florida Department of Agriculture as a meat inspector. His father

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had been in the meat packing industry and had introduced

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Michael to the occupation at a young age. He worked

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hard and was eventually promoted to be an inspections supervisor.

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By nineteen eighty four, while working for the Department of Agriculture,

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he started a side hustle buying and selling used cars.

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His bosses eventually realized he was buying and selling cars

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on company time and falsifying his time shep to make

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it seem like he was working more than he actually was.

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He resigned in late nineteen eighty four, claiming that he

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was framed by his managers. It didn't matter though. He

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was off and running in the world of automotive sales.

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He started a used car lot called Bargain Motors, specializing

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in selling cars to people with bad credit, and the

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business took off. As we said already, he was a

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natural born salesman, and it didn't hurt that he was

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willing to bend the rules. He would roll back odometers

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and whine and dine the ladies who worked at the

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DMV and sweet talk them in defudging vehicle inspection records.

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It's weird now, I don't think there would be any

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way to roll back an odometer, but that was definitely

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a thing back in those days that car salesman would

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do right.

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I mean, I don't know how would you do that.

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You have to take the dashboard apart, and then you

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would manually change the miles.

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I don't know for sure, but yeah, I think it's

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fairly involved.

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Yeah.

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Michael got busted once in the early days of bargain

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motors for changing an odometer from forty nine thousand to

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twenty five thousand miles. He pleaded guilty and he had

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to pay a thousand dollars fine and he got eighteen

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months probation. Michael wasn't the only entrepreneur in the marriage.

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With the money they made from bargain motors, Marlene and

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Michael invested in rental properties, which Marlene managed. By nineteen ninety,

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she was managing seventeen mostly inexpensive rental properties in Palm

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Beach County, worth a total of one point one million

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dollars about two point six million dollars today. Marlene's son

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Joe said that his mom was a ball of energy

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with a natural entrepreneurial spirit. She was well organized both

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in managing her rental business and her family's home life.

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She was good at her job, but she was also

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a bit of a softie. When a tenant got behind

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on their rent, Marlene was more inclined to help them

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out instead of evicting them. But she did have to

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evict tenants occasionally and it was hard on her. In fact,

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shortly before her death in nineteen ninety, she had made

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an appointment with a realtor to talk about selling the

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properties and getting out of the real estate business, but

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that meeting never happened.

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With their new found wealth, Marlene, Michael and the boys

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moved to the upscale village of Wellington, Florida, bordering the Everglades.

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Wellington is one of the wealthiest communities in Palm Beach County.

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Over the years, Wellington has had many famous residents Bruce Springsteen,

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Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, Tommy Lee Jones, and Ja Jagaboord

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to name a few. And if that's not enough, Vanilla

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Ice even once lived in a swinky estate in Wellington.

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I bet he doesn't anymore. Marlene and Michael moved into

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a new subdivision called Aero Club. It was a luxury

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community with a private golf course, a polo field, tennis courts,

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and a grass airstrip. The houses all had small airplane

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hangars facing their backyards. Well, this is fancy. Residents could

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tax their planes on a path between the houses out

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to the runway at the end of the street. While

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he was a bit more of a blue collar, new

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money guy, Michael did his best to fit in with

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his new neighbors, buying a single engine plane and getting

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his pilot's license.

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It's pretty crazy, isn't it. People would like fly to work.

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I saw some interviews with some of the people that

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lived there and they're like, yeah, they would just taxi

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their little plane out of the garage and fly off

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to work.

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Wow. He diversified his business interests by buying racehorses and

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starting Mike Warren's racing stable. It was more of a

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hobby for him than a business. He and Marlene could

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often be found at the track watching the races. While

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it seemed like everything was coming up roses for Michael

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and Marlene, trouble began finding the family in the late

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nineteen eighties. Just before his eighteenth birthday, Joe was arrested

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along with two other people for beating and stabbing a man.

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He and his friends had gone over to the man's

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house and attacked him as because the guy allegedly beat

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up one of their other friends. Joe was initially charged

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with attempted murder, but later reached a plea deal for

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aggravated battery and was sentenced to six months of house arrest.

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A couple of years later, he was charged with grand

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theft for stealing a jet ski, but that charge was

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later dropped too. Sounds kind of like rich kid getting

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into trouble and his parents bailing him out. In nineteen

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eighty eight, a car accident took the life of twenty

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two year old John Junior. That's horrible, just as it

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had his father. John Junior was picking up a car

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at an auction for his stepdad's business when he apparently

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missed a stop sign and hit another vehicle. His death

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was a crushing blow to Marlene, but she knew that

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she had to be strong for her son Joe. She

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told Joe, we'll get through this. We just have to

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stick together. While John Staff may have brought Marlene and

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Joe close together, it seemed to have the opposite effect

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on Michael and their marriage. Always a workaholic, he started

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spending even more time at work and less time at home.

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He always seemed to find an excuse to leave the house.

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He'd leave the house at one am, saying I need

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to go and repossess a car. With Michael spending so

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much time away from home, Marlene started to suspect that

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he was having an affair. The couple started arguing more

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and more, and Marlene came to believe that Michael no

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longer loved her, but divorce would be messy because of

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all their business and financial entanglements. A few weeks before

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her death, she told Joe, if anything happens to me,

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your stepfather did it. Joe said no, there's no way

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he would ever do anything like that. Marlene said, don't

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put it past him. On Saturday May twenty sixth, nineteen ninety,

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Marlene was making breakfast for Joe, now twenty one, and

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some of his friends. The night before, Joe and his

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mom ran into some friends of his that he hadn't

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seen in a while, and Marlene said, why don't you

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come and stay the night. Michael had left the house

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around ten am with a friend, heading to Miami, which

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is about a ninety minute drive, to spend the day

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at the racetrack. Around ten forty five am, Marlene and

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Joe saw through the front window. A white car pull

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up into their circle driveway, and a colorfully dressed figure

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came up the walkway. Joe had a cast on his

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lower leg recuperating from an injury, so Marlene went to

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answer the door. Everyone assumed it was someone sending well

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wishes for Joe's recovery. The clown, dressed in a colorful costume,

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a curly orange wig, white gloves, white face paint, and

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a red bulb nose, held out two foil balloons and

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a basket of red and white carnations. From the other room,

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Joe heard his mom explain, oh, how pretty, followed by

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the sound of a gunshot and his mom falling to

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the floor. Despite the cast on his foot, Joe leaped

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to action. He saw his mom lying inside the entrance

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of the house, bleeding from her mouth and gasping for air.

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He saw the clown walking calmly back to the car,

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white Chrysler le Baron. Joe yelled at the clown, who

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turned around and briefly locked eyes with him. Then the

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clown got into the LeBaron and calmly drove off. Joe

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called nine to one one right away. They told him

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to stay on the line, but Joe had other ideas.

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He dropped the phone, grabbed the keys to his mom's

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new car from her purse, hopped in, and chased after

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the libaron. He cut across lawns and drove through red lights,

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frantically trying to keep up with the getaway car. His

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plan was to crash into the car to stop it

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if he had the chance, but the clown had too

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much of a head start. After driving for ten miles,

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Joe finally gave up hope of finding the car and

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headed back home, where paramedics were working on his mother.

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Marlene was brushed to Palm's West Hospital fighting for her life.

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The bullet had ripped through her front teeth and lodged

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in the cervical vertebrae behind her throat. Her condition was critical.

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Joe called his stepdad on his cell phone.

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So I had to look into this because they kept

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saying this and things I read, and it was like,

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did people have cell phones in nineteen ninety Yeah, and

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very few people did, but I guess they were fairly

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well off. So I think his dad or his stepdad

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did have a cell phone at that time.

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Every case, I'm like, when did we start texting. When

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did we? Yeah, it's hard to remember. So in nineteen

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ninety only two point four people out of one thousand

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had cell phones. Michael and his friend were more than

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halfway to Miami at this point. He turned around and

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headed to the hospital.

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I heard this story. I was just so it's just

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so horrifying that someone could just walk up to your

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front door dressed in a clown costume and just calmly

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shoot you. It's just so terrifying, it is.

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That's why we never answered the door.

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That's one reason.

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Yeah, actually we do answer the door, but yeah, don't

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answer the door. And really we shouldn't be answering our

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doors because I think most people have ring cameras these days.

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And just last weekend, not far from us, someone was

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dressed as someone from DTE, the electric company, And what happened.

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They came into this guy's house and they killed him

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and they injured his wife as well. So it's very scary.

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I don't know why, or what the motive was or

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any other details, but I've.

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Heard that's a It's not uncommon these days for people

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to be dressed up as an Amazon driver or whatever.

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So yeah, yeah, don't answer your door. If you don't

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know who's there, you don't know anyone anything right.

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The police immediately issued a BOLO for a white Chrysler

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le Baron with no license plates. There wasn't much evidence

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at the scene, just the basket of carnations and the

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two foil balloons that the clown had handed Marlene before

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shooting her. One of the balloons was red heart shaped

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and said You're the greatest, and the other had a

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picture of snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. There was

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no shell casing left behind, and the clown had not

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left the gun behind either. Because the clown was fully

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dressed in a loose fitting outfit with full makeup and

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a wig, the witnesses couldn't provide many helpful details. Joe said, quote,

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he's about six ' to one tall, skinny. I couldn't

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see no hair, no arms, no skin, nothing. He had

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dark eyes, he had orange hair, a red nose, and

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a big orange smile. Joe also noted the clown wasn't

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wearing the classic floppy clown shoes. Instead, he was wearing

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what looked like black work boots. Despite many in the

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community initially believing this was a random act, the police

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immediately came to believe the shooting was something personal. It

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seemed unlikely that a random shooter would find this particular

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out of the way neighborhood, shoot the one person who

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answered the door, and leave the other people at the

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house unharmed. The police interviewed Michael and noted that he

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seemed to be sincerely upset. He didn't know why anyone

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would want to harm Marlene. The only thing he could

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think of was maybe a disgruntled tenant, or maybe a

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former tenant who had been evicted. While Marlene was generally

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seen as a kind and respectful landlord, there had been

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some complaints from tenants about maintenance issues and a infestation

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that hadn't been taken care of. Michael certainly had a

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motive to kill his wife. He would take control of

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all their assets and properties, most of which were in

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Marlene's name, and there was a fifty three thousand dollars

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life insurance policy on her with Michael as the beneficiary.

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But he had a solid alibi being in a car

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on I ninety five with a friend almost an hour

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away from home.

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Do you know what their financial situation was at this time?

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Were they doing well? Still?

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Yeah? I think they were doing very well. There wasn't

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much evidence, so police started where they could. They knew

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the shooter wore a clown costume that must have been

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purchased or rented somewhere, and they had two foil balloons

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and a basket of red and white carnations that the

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clown had left behind. They started canvassing shops in the

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area that might sell these items. They got lucky when

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they found a public's supermarket that sold the exact same

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balloons and carnation basket. In fact, they discovered that the

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You're the Greatest balloon was only sold at that particular

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supermarket at least in Palm Beach County. A clerk remembered

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selling the two balloons and the carnation basket the morning

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that Marlene was shot. Public's records confirmed that indeed, someone

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had purchased those exact items just eighty two minutes before

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the shooting. Unfortunately, the buyer paid cash and there was

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no surveillance camera at the store. They soon tracked down

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the costume shop as well. It was a place called

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the Spotlight in West Palm Beach. The clerks there said

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that a customer had come to the shop right at

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closing time, just a couple of evenings before the shooting.

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They were closing up, so they asked the customer if

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they could come back the next day, but the person said,

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I really need a costume tonight. I promise I'll be quick.

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The clerks described the person as maybe five foot eight

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to five foot ten, with long brown hair and brown eyes.

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They said that they believed it was a woman, but

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they weren't one hundred percent sure. They described the person

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as androgynists and wearing masculine clothing. She or he had

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on jeans, men's work boots, and a lumberjack style checkered

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flannel shirt. The customer chose an inexpensive costume quickly and

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paid cash. Two things stood out to the clerks. First,

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the customer didn't buy clown shoes. I guess typically if

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you're buying a clown outfit, you would shoes.

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Also, what's a clown without the shoes.

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Second, they bought extra face whitener, saying they wanted to

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ensure that their face was completely covered. It didn't take

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long before investigators got a clue as to who might

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be the mystery clown. In fact, only two hours after

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Marlene was shot. An anonymous tip was called in. The

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tipster said, you should really take a look at Michael Warren,

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and not only Michael Warren, but you should also take

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a look at his girlfriend, Sheila Keene.

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I mean, sure, it's great to have a tip, but

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like the police wouldn't have right there exactly.

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Well, but they didn't know. They didn't know he had

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a girlfriend. When the police spoke with Michael's employees at

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Bargain Motors, they also mentioned Sheila Keene. Sheila worked there

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as well, and everyone said that Michael and Sheila were

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having in air. It was obvious and they didn't even

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seem to try and hide it. Twenty six year old

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Sheila Keen, formerly known as Sheila Sheltra, grew up in

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a small farming community in southern Florida. She was a tomboy, rambunctious,

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and high energy. In high school, she was described as

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pretty bubbly and popular with boys. She was more inclined

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to have male friends than female. In the eighties, Sheila

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met a man named Richard Keen. Sheila's cousin was actually

462
00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.400
dating Richard, who was seventeen years older than Sheila. Sheila

463
00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:35.880
decided that she wanted Richard for herself and essentially stole

464
00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:39.839
him away from her cousin. Sheila and Richard married soon after,

465
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:43.880
and she became Sheila Keen. Richard Keen was not a

466
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.839
good guy. He had a criminal record with a variety

467
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:50.839
of charges, including weapons possession and drug trafficking. He was

468
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.599
a former leader in the local Ku Klux Klan chapter.

469
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.799
People said that he was a bad influence on anybody

470
00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.000
that came into his life. At one point in their marriage,

471
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.039
Keen spent two years in prison for drug trafficking after

472
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.680
a shootout with police. Sheila waited faithfully until Richard was released.

473
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:12.359
Keen had a business repossessing cars, contracting out his services

474
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:16.160
to various auto shops in West Palm Beach. Sheila started

475
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.720
doing repossessions as well, and it turned out that she

476
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:21.359
was good at it. To be a repo man or

477
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.480
woman in this case, you have to go into some

478
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.160
pretty bad neighborhoods and be willing to put yourself in

479
00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:31.359
some risky situations. Sheila was fearless. She was also well armed,

480
00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.160
taking a stun gun, a machete, and a thirty eight

481
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.880
caliber revolver with her on her repo runs. One of

482
00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.119
Richard's accounts was Bargain Motors, so that's how Sheila got

483
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.599
connected to Michael Warren. Eventually, Richard stopped servicing the Bargain

484
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:50.480
Motors account and Sheila became Michael's primary repo person. It

485
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.359
didn't take long before people around the office realized that

486
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:57.039
something was going on between Michael and Sheila. They started

487
00:24:57.079 --> 00:24:59.359
spending more time together. They would hang out in his

488
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:03.519
office right gas gularly, show affection publicly, and people said

489
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.079
that the wave Sheila looked at Michael told them that

490
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:09.640
she was in love. Sheila also loved money, and she

491
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:11.799
may have seen Michael as her way of getting the

492
00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.960
good life that she thought she deserved. By late nineteen

493
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:20.559
eighty nine, Sheila and Richard's marriage had deteriorated. Sheila filed

494
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:23.839
a petition for an injunction against Richard, accusing him of

495
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:27.359
grabbing her arm, ripping her bracelets off, pulling her hair,

496
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:31.680
and threatening her. In January nineteen ninety, Sheila moved from

497
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:34.200
the house that she shared with Richard into an apartment

498
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:38.519
in West Palm Beach paid for by Michael Warren. Michael

499
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.039
was seen there so often that neighbors assumed that the

500
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.240
couple was married. Interestingly, the apartment where Sheila lived was

501
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.799
right across the street from the Public's supermarket where the

502
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:53.200
foil balloons and the carnation basket had been purchased. Coincidence

503
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:54.440
maybe not.

504
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.519
You said foil balloons a few times. Now you mean

505
00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:58.480
myler balloons.

506
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.920
I guess that. Yeah, I guess that more accurate. Correct.

507
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.839
People who knew them both said that Michael and Sheila

508
00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:09.480
were a good match because they were both wild. They

509
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.039
liked to stay up late and go repo cars together,

510
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:14.400
and they like to go to the horse races together.

511
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.880
One time at the racetrack, Michael's mother was there with them.

512
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.359
She confronted Sheila, asking if she was in love with

513
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:25.799
her son. Sheila said yes, she was. Then Michael's mom

514
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.720
asked Michael if he was in love with Sheila. His reply,

515
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.279
I love myself.

516
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:32.920
Yikes, red flag.

517
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:34.559
Yeah.

518
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:36.519
Michael's mom was there, but didn't she know that he

519
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:37.119
was married?

520
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.880
Yeah? Like I said, I think they weren't. They didn't

521
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.440
even seem to be hiding their affair that much. A

522
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.240
couple of weeks before Marlene was shot, things seemed to

523
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:50.559
cool off between Sheila and Michael. Bargain Motors employees noticed

524
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:52.920
that they stopped going to lunch together and they were

525
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.839
not as affectionate as usual. Speculation was that Michael was

526
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.839
irritated with Sheila. She was pushing too hard and acting

527
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:04.480
bossi toward other employees. He apparently told some employees that

528
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.839
Sheila was acting like his wife and he was thinking

529
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.759
about firing her. Sheila fit the description given by the

530
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:14.039
costume shop employees. She had long brown hair, and she

531
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.599
liked to dress in combat boots and men's clothing. They

532
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.160
showed a photo line up to the costume shop clerks.

533
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:23.880
One of them identified Sheila, saying she was absolutely sure

534
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.680
that was who bought the clown costume. The other was

535
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.799
less sure, but she did pick Sheila out along with

536
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:31.960
one other photo, saying she thought it was one of

537
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:35.720
the two. When the police questioned Michael and Sheila about

538
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.400
their relationship, both of them denied that they were having

539
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.839
an affair. Michael said he realized that other people thought

540
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.319
there was something going on, but it wasn't the case.

541
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.240
His marriage to Marlene was strong, he said. While the

542
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.279
police were tracking down leads, Marlene was on life support

543
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:55.000
at the hospital. After two days, doctors informed her family

544
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.519
that there was no hope and they made the difficult

545
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.920
decision to take her off of life support. Marlene died

546
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.240
on Memorial Day, May twenty eighth, nineteen ninety and her

547
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.680
funeral was held three days later. Many of the mourners

548
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.920
were tenants of the apartments that Marlene managed. Investigators staked

549
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.640
out the funeral, taking photos of those in attendance. We'll

550
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.079
be back after a break.

551
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:27.359
Two days after Marlene passed, the police got a break

552
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:31.079
in the case. Employees at the Winn Dixie supermarket about

553
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:35.079
seven miles from Marlene and Michael's home, noticed a car

554
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.079
in the parking lot that had been sitting there for

555
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.480
a few days. It was a white Chrysler the Baron,

556
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:43.240
which matched the description of the car the police had

557
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:47.160
been looking for, so the employees alerted the authorities. When

558
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.880
they looked up the car's in number, they found it

559
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.960
had an interesting history that led right to the doorstep

560
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:54.359
of Bargain Motors.

561
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.200
So this history is a little bit convoluted, so do

562
00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:59.759
your best to stick with us on this one, okay.

563
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.759
The car had been rented from Payless car rental on

564
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:07.359
April sixth by a couple Alissa and Vincent Restivo. When

565
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.279
Alyssa and Vincent were ready to return the car. On

566
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:14.000
Saturday evening, April fourteenth, they called pay Less to find

567
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.759
out that the business was closed. Thinking that maybe there

568
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.000
was an alternate number, they checked the Yellow Pages in

569
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.039
the phone book. They found an ad that clearly said

570
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.359
pay Less in big letters. As the headlight of the ad.

571
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:31.079
Alssa called the number. A man answered, and she asked

572
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.200
whether this was Payless car Rental. He assured her that

573
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.279
it was. He told Alyssa, if you want to return

574
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.480
the car, just leave it outside the lot gate with

575
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.599
the keys on the sun visor and some one would

576
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.599
come and get it. Alyssa and Vincent thought that seemed

577
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.119
a bit odd, but they did it anyway. When they

578
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.200
got home, they called the same number again from the

579
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.640
Yellow Pages to let them know that they had left

580
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.799
the car. This time, the man who answered said he

581
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.640
had no idea what they were talking about. Alyssa swore

582
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.160
his voice was the same as the man who had

583
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:05.319
answered the first time. This made the Restivos nervous, so

584
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.160
they drove back to the Payliss car lot and saw

585
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.400
that the car was gone. The next day, they called

586
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.519
the correct number for the Payless car rental and told

587
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:18.039
them what had happened. Payless then reported the car as

588
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:18.880
being stolen.

589
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.960
You with me so far on this car thing, Yeah,

590
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:23.559
it's a.

591
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:27.160
Little little odd. It turned out that there was some

592
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:31.559
bad blood between Bargain Motors and Payless Car Rental. Michael

593
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.480
viewed Payless Car Rental as the enemy and would do

594
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.880
anything he could do to mess with them and steal

595
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.440
their business. When Michael had the Yellow Pages ad created

596
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.720
over a year earlier, he intentionally made the headline Payless,

597
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:51.079
with the actual name of the business, Bargain Motors, and

598
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.480
smaller print near the bottom. When Payliss saw the deceptive ad,

599
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.720
they sued Bargain Motors. Michael was ordered to pay thirty

600
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.119
five I have one thousand dollars to pay Less and

601
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.160
to change the ad the following year, but the new

602
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.440
Yellow Pages had not yet been printed, which led the

603
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:16.160
Restivos to erroneously call Bargain Motors that evening. What a scam.

604
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.519
Of course, it was hard to prove that anyone from

605
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.519
Bargain Motors had actually stolen the vehicle, but it certainly

606
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.240
seemed to be more than a coincidence that the getaway

607
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.960
car used in Marlene Warren's homicide could be connected to

608
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.400
her husband's business. In the car that they recovered from

609
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.640
the wind Dixie, the police found several orange fibers similar

610
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.440
to one that one might find in a clown wig.

611
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.359
I would think those clown wigs would just, you know,

612
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:46.359
just stuff right. These were sent to the FBI crime

613
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:50.279
Lab for analysis, which eventually identified them as man made

614
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.759
fibers consistent with the fibers and a clown wig that

615
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.759
had been sold from the costume shop. They also found

616
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:01.359
a few long brown hairs in the car. Visually, these

617
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.400
looked like they could have come from Sheila, but this

618
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.400
was a time when DANNA testing was still relatively new.

619
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.960
It was being used on blood, but wasn't yet advanced

620
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.599
enough to use on hair samples containing the root of

621
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.880
the hair, so the hairs were placed in an evidence

622
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.240
bag and set aside. Was that a little foreshadowing there?

623
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:22.000
Perhaps?

624
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.039
In June nineteen ninety, shortly after the le baron was found,

625
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.720
investigators got a warrant to search Sheila's apartment in West

626
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:33.359
Palm Beach. Inside her closet, they found orange fibers that

627
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.480
were examined and found to be consistent with the fibers

628
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.559
found in the car, but they didn't find anything else incriminating.

629
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:45.839
No murder weapon, no wig, no clown costume, no clown makeup.

630
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.359
Sheila gave investigators a hair samples to compare it with

631
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.519
what they found in the le Baron, although any comparison

632
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.240
at this point would just be too determine whether the

633
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.359
hairs were consistent, results could not be definitive. Sheila's alibi

634
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:02.400
for the day of the Marlans murder was that she

635
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.279
was driving around looking for cars to repossess. She named

636
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.240
a few communities where she was out driving, but she

637
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.839
couldn't provide any more specifics.

638
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.599
So at this point some investigators were actually pushing to

639
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.920
arrest Sheila so just to maybe sum up the evidence

640
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.079
against her, so eyewitnesses at the costume shop they identified

641
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.839
Sheila from a photo lineup as the person who bought

642
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.079
the clown suit. The getaway vehicle could be traced back

643
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.680
to Bargain Motors, where Sheila worked. Many people alleged that

644
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.599
Sheila and Michael were having an affair, although both Sheila

645
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.359
and Michael denied it. The orange fibers that were found

646
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.440
in the le Baron and in Sheila's closet that were

647
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:45.000
consistent with the clown wig, and there were hairs found

648
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:48.839
in the getaway vehicle that were consistent with Sheila's long, straight,

649
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.000
and brown. The main thing that pointed away from Sheila

650
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.200
at this point was that Joe's description of the clown.

651
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.000
He referred to the clown as he when he was

652
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:01.200
questioned by the police, who also said the shooter was

653
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.599
tall estimated at six foot one, Sheila was around five

654
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.720
six or five seven. So I'm curious, do you think

655
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:11.199
that Sheila should have been arrested and tried at this point?

656
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.199
Was Joe able to identify the clown costume, like did

657
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.280
the police have a similar one from the costume shop

658
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.960
and say was this the costume that you saw?

659
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.960
I don't know how specific he was able to get

660
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.559
in his description of the clown costume. So I don't

661
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.280
know if they were able to one hundred percent say

662
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.480
that it was that same costume that was purchased at

663
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.960
the costume shop. But I'm guessing they were like ninety

664
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.679
nine percent sure it was that costume because there was

665
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.320
no other clown costumes sold that they found, you know,

666
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:42.000
in the area.

667
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.599
I think it might be too circumstantial at this point.

668
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.559
What do you think, Well, hindsight is twenty twenty and

669
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.239
I know how this all turns out, So in hindsight

670
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.960
they probably should have. But as we talk about a lot,

671
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.840
you only have one shot at a prosecution, and if

672
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:00.719
you fail, the person can't be tried again.

673
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.639
And so I think where you put them in jail

674
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.199
and build your case while they're incarcerated. But you're saying

675
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.639
that you don't think there was probable cause at this point, I.

676
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.400
Mean it was all pretty much circumstantial, like you said.

677
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.679
While the state's attorney did decide not to move forward

678
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.199
at this point, they cited the difference between probable cause

679
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.199
and reasonable doubt. So police probably did have probable cause

680
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.880
to arrest Shila, but whether they could get a conviction

681
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.639
was another question. The prosecutor believed that a good defense

682
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.159
attorney would be able to convince a jury that there

683
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.519
was enough reasonable doubt to find Shila not guilty. The

684
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.079
other big question at this point is whether Michael was

685
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.639
involved or whether Sheila acted on her own. The police

686
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.119
didn't have any hard evidence against him. The best that

687
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.159
they could do was to take a closer look at

688
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.880
Michael's shady business practices. In October nineteen ninety the police

689
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.480
executed a warrant to search Bargain Motors. They took a

690
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.840
bunch of documents and records away with them. The next day,

691
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.800
Michael was arrested, not for murder, but for odometer tampering,

692
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:07.519
insurance fraud, grand theft, and racketeering. He was charged with

693
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:11.480
sixty six counts in all. The assistant state attorney said

694
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:13.960
that the charges were just the tip of the iceberg

695
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.559
when it came to alleged criminal activity at Bargain Motors.

696
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.599
The state's attorney said that Michael's arrest had nothing at

697
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.639
all to do with the murder case, but in a

698
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.800
court hearing, the prosecutor referred to him as a suspect

699
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.960
in the murder of his wife. This set the judge off,

700
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.440
saying either file charges or leave the murder investigation out

701
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:36.239
of it. It also gave Michael's attorney ammunition to claim

702
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.719
that this was a witch hunt. They were desperate to

703
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.760
find anything that would justify the time and expense that

704
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.559
they had put into the murder investigation. Michael did an

705
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.159
interview with a local radio station around this time. He said, quote,

706
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.360
I'm guilty until I proved myself innocent. I didn't think

707
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.760
that's the way it was supposed to work. The worst

708
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.320
thing is what happened to my wife, but the second

709
00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.719
worst thing is what they're doing to me and my businesses.

710
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.320
Nothing will ever clear my name. Michael's trial on the

711
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:08.320
sixty six charges didn't take place until July nineteen ninety two.

712
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.239
That's a lot of charges.

713
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:12.119
It is. The jury found him guilty of forty three

714
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.039
of the counts. The judge in the case was not

715
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.400
buying the prosecution's argument that this prosecution was completely unrelated

716
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.519
to the murder, and as a result, he didn't sentence

717
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.079
Michael to any prison time. However, the state appealed the sentencing,

718
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.679
which took a couple of years, but eventually, in nineteen

719
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.000
ninety four, Michael was sentenced to nine years in prison.

720
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.639
He served three years, and he was released in nineteen

721
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.960
ninety seven. After Marlene's murder, her son Joe struggled to cope,

722
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.079
as you can imagine, losing your only brother to a

723
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.920
car accident, followed soon after by the murder of your

724
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.360
mom and your stepdad and primary father figure being a

725
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.239
suspect in that murder all took its toll. He struggled

726
00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:01.360
with anger issues, abandonment issues, PTSD and depression. He turned

727
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:02.480
to alcohol to cope.

728
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.480
That's a lot. He went through an awful lot in

729
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:06.599
a short period of time.

730
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.840
Yeah. When his stepdad went to prison for the fraud

731
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.920
and racketeering charges, he and Joe lost touch. When Michael

732
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.719
got released from prison in nineteen ninety seven, he called

733
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.320
Joe one time out of the blue. Then they never

734
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.800
spoke again. After that, Joe felt like Michael had thrown

735
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.159
him aside like a bag of trash. At a press

736
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:29.119
conference in nineteen ninety one, on the one year anniversary

737
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:33.199
of Marlene's murder, detectives said, quote, we have two suspects

738
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.559
and they are Sheila Keene and Michael Warren unquote, but

739
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.679
all the evidence was circumstantial, and it wasn't even a

740
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:43.880
particularly strong circumstantial case. They were still hoping to find

741
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:48.800
additional physical evidence linking Sheila Keen to the crime. Gradually

742
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.320
the case started fading into the background. The media moved

743
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.920
on from the sensational clown killer headlines and they forgot

744
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.519
about Michael Warren and Sheila Keen. The police never officially

745
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.760
declared had a cold case, but they had moved on

746
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:02.320
as well.

747
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:07.960
I'm going to insist to read the next flip before

748
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:08.480
we go on.

749
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.320
I don't know why I wrote it.

750
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.159
Think a little comic relief in the middle of it

751
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:14.840
is fine.

752
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:18.280
All right, here's what I wrote. Similar to Rip van Winkle,

753
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:23.360
the case remained dormant for over twenty years before gradually resurfacing,

754
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:33.159
exactly like Rippmann Minkle. Oh good. By the time it did,

755
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.119
the world had changed significantly from how it was in

756
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:37.039
nineteen ninety.

757
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.480
Ripam Rinkle was asleep for twenty years. Yes, okay, I didn't.

758
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:42.000
I didn't know the time period.

759
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:44.920
What breathed new life into the case was a one

760
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.480
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars grant that the Palm

761
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.760
Beach County Sheriff's Office received in twenty thirteen. The grant

762
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.440
was earmarked for investigating cold cases, and the most famous

763
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.719
cold case in Palm Beach County at that time was

764
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.480
the Wellington Clown murder. One major thing that had changed

765
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.559
in the preceding twenty three years was that DNA testing

766
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:09.280
was much improved. Hair could now be tested in two ways. First,

767
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.800
the hair shaft could be tested for mitochondrial DNA. Mitochondrial

768
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.039
DNA testing is often used for testing older samples where

769
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:21.119
nuclear DNA is limited or degraded, but the downside is

770
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.920
that it's not definitive. It can be used to trace

771
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:28.400
maternal lineage, but can't usually point definitively to a single person.

772
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.679
If the root portion of the hair is available, it

773
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:36.320
often contains microscopic bits of tissue. In those cases, nuclear

774
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.400
DNA testing can be done, which is more accurate. Investigators

775
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.840
in this case were able to run both types of tests,

776
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.519
and the conclusion was that the hair found in the

777
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.960
LeBaron was a match for Sheila Keene. How strong of

778
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.400
a match would later be a subject of debate.

779
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.840
While waiting for the DNA test results, investigators decided to

780
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:58.440
track down Michael and Sheila to find out what they

781
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.519
had been up to since the investigationation went cold. They

782
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.760
found that Michael was living a new life in a

783
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.960
small town in Tennessee, not far from the Blue Ridge Mountains.

784
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.000
He was married to a woman named Debbie, and together

785
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.039
they were operating a small fast food place called the

786
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:13.920
Purple Cow.

787
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.239
It's still there and it's such a cute little place

788
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.239
I want to go. It was like a roadside fast food.

789
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.840
Stand with well Meyer. They call their ice cream brand

790
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.159
like the Purple Cow or something.

791
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:24.599
Yeah, I don't think it's related to that.

792
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.599
Interesting. That's quite a departure from his life with Yeah,

793
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:32.320
no cars, and apparently Michael had done okay for himself

794
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.480
despite his legal troubles. He inherited all of Marlene's assets,

795
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.440
as well as cashing in her fifty three thousand dollars

796
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.039
life insurance policy. He and Debbie lived in a sprawling

797
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.199
mansion in the Blue Ridge Mountains, so Joe didn't get anything.

798
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.840
I think all of Marlene's assets went to Michael as

799
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.760
her husband. Whether Michael helped out Joe or not, I

800
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.639
don't know. I mean, it seems like they lost touch

801
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.239
with each other not too long after Marlene died, so

802
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.239
it sounds like he was pretty much left out in

803
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:02.000
the cold.

804
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.599
That's pretty horrible. It's really horrible, and Marlene would be furious.

805
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:06.039
Yeah.

806
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:09.800
When detectives looked into Sheila's whereabouts, they discovered that she

807
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:13.599
had finally gotten a divorce from Richard Keene in two thousand,

808
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.920
despite having been separated since nineteen ninety two. Years after

809
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.440
her divorce to Richard was finalized, Sheila got married again,

810
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:26.639
her husband none other than Michael Warren oh, interesting.

811
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:27.519
Yeah.

812
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:29.960
It turned out that Sheila wanted to leave her past

813
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.159
behind as well, so she died her brown hair blonde

814
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:36.840
and started going by the name Debbie. She waited faithfully

815
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.159
for Michael while he served his three years in prison.

816
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.599
Then the two reunited, got married in Vegas, moved to Tennessee,

817
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:46.519
and started a new life together. Employees of the Purple

818
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.159
Cow said that Michael and Debbie were kind and generous bosses.

819
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.199
No one had any idea that they were both suspects

820
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.400
in her murder that had happened years earlier, although there

821
00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:00.639
were rumors. One former employee reported that Sheila, also known

822
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.440
as Debbie, was hanging out drinking one night with the

823
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.719
employee and her roommate. The roommate claimed that Sheila got

824
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.880
drunk and confessed to murdering Marlene Warren so that she

825
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.760
and Michael could be together. The police statement said quote

826
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.559
the former roommate told her that one night, Sheila was

827
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.719
intoxicated and had said that she used to repoke cars

828
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.679
for Mike and they were together but could not be

829
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.840
because of his wife. Sheila said that she had picked

830
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:28.920
out a clown out of it and killed his wife

831
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.000
and then drove off she said that Mike was her alibi.

832
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.440
Sheila said that they moved and wanted to get married,

833
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:37.800
but had had to wait for the attention on the

834
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.920
case to die down. End quote. Another employee recalled the

835
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.800
time that Debby had dressed up as a clown for Halloween.

836
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.760
I know, that's horrible, really horrible. Mike and Sheila operated

837
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.719
the Purple Cow business until twenty sixteen, when they sold

838
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.800
it and retired to a large lake house in Abington, Virginia,

839
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.639
near the Tennessee border. By September twenty seventeen, more than

840
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.039
twenty seven years after Marlin Warren was murdered, investigators finally

841
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:11.320
decided that they had enough evidence to arrest Sheila Keen Warren.

842
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.159
Sheila and Michael were returning home from a road trip

843
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.000
to Vermont to visit her mother when police pulled them

844
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:20.840
over and took Sheila into custody. Sheila didn't ask why

845
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.760
she was being arrested. She only asked, quote, are you

846
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.199
going to arrest him too? Referring to Michael. Sheila Keen Warren,

847
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.639
now fifty four, was charged with first degree murder and

848
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.599
extradited to Florida, where she pleaded not guilty. The state

849
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.719
announced that they would seek the death penalty and bond

850
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.840
was denied. Marlene's mom, Surely and her son Joe, had

851
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.239
lost track of both Michael and Sheila in the year

852
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.360
since the murder. After Sheila's arrest, Shirley received a call

853
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.039
from a reporter, and that's how she learned that Michael

854
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:56.960
and Sheila were now married. Shirley eighty seven said he

855
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.159
married the killer son of a gun.

856
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.159
Surely was quite a character.

857
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:03.000
Here's a spitfire.

858
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:03.960
Yeah.

859
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:06.880
When Joe learned that his former stepfather was married to Sheila,

860
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.559
he said had put the final puzzle piece in place

861
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:13.199
for him. He now felt certain that Michael and Sheila

862
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.760
had conspired to kill his mom. Poor Joe, I.

863
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.079
Know, I feel so bad for him. Soon after Sheila

864
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.360
was arrested, the police got a tip from the son

865
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:26.199
of one of Michael's former employees at Bargain Motors. John

866
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:29.320
Moran Junior, told investigators that his father had made a

867
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.960
deathbed confession to him years ago, saying that he drove

868
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.920
a second getaway car on the day that Marlene was killed.

869
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.000
Moran told police that this second car, containing the murder

870
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:43.159
weapon and the clown costume, had been dumped in a canal,

871
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:47.719
and he gave police the exact location. Divers dredged the canal,

872
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.039
and indeed they found a nineteen eighty two Audi, but

873
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.039
there was no gun and no clown costume to be found.

874
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.800
Moran also claimed that Michael Warren had reached out to

875
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.519
him after Sheila's arrest and offered to buy him a

876
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.639
house if he testified in Sheila's defense. Moran said that

877
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.000
he was scared for his life in case Michael found

878
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.400
out that he was talking to the police. Another person

879
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:14.480
came forward after Sheila's arrest with a bizarre story. Attorney

880
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:19.000
Christopher DeSantis represented Marlene's son Joe in his aggravated assault

881
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:22.440
case in nineteen eighty nine, the year before Marlene's murder.

882
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:26.039
DeSantis remembered walking out of the courtroom one day when

883
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:30.280
Joe's stepdad, Michael Warren, asked him if a husband were

884
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.559
to kill his wife, what would happen to her estate.

885
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.760
DeSantis remembered thinking, this guy's nuts, but he figured it

886
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:41.000
was just a random hypothetical question. The really bizarre thing, though,

887
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.639
is how DeSantis said he answered. Quote what I said

888
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.840
to him is it really isn't an issue of whether

889
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.280
a man kills his wife. The question is whether the

890
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.400
man is convicted of murdering his wife, Because if he's

891
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.519
convicted of murdering his wife, he wouldn't inherit, but if

892
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.679
he were convicted of a lower charge, he would. DeSantis

893
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.800
went out to say, I said, what's particularly peculiar about

894
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.159
the thing is not only that, but if he had

895
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.320
a friend who did it, and they couldn't tie him

896
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.159
as an accessory to the friend, he'd get away scott free. Quote.

897
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:16.239
And in a final bizarre statement, DeSantis said that he

898
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:20.559
specifically recalled telling Michael Warren that a killer dressed as

899
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.719
a clown would likely get off because witnesses would not

900
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.920
be able to determine whether the assailant was male or female.

901
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.000
Oh my goodness, it's just so bizarre to be like this.

902
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.719
Lawyer basically admitted that he gave Michael ancessory. He almost

903
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.840
is right. He gave him like the whole blueprint of

904
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:39.320
here's how to get away with murder.

905
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.719
Well, we do that every week. Really, I mean not

906
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:43.559
every week, but they don't always get away.

907
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.239
Sheila sat in jail for years while her trial kept

908
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:51.360
getting delayed for one reason after another, despite initially hiring

909
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.639
an attorney. Sheila then claims she was destitute and needed

910
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.760
the court to provide attorneys for her. Of course, she

911
00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.960
and Michael had plenty of wealth living in a lake

912
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.559
front mansion. Prosecutors were outraged, saying, quote, the defendant and

913
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.480
her husband have done nothing short of perpetrating a fraud

914
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.639
onto the court and the state of Florida unquote. They

915
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.000
asked a judge to revoke her indigent status, revealing that

916
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:17.440
shortly after her arrest, Sheila and Michael shifted three hundred

917
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.440
thousand dollars from their joint bank account to an account

918
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.920
in Michael's name only. She also signed over the title

919
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.280
of their five hundred and eighty one thousand dollars lake

920
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.840
house to Michael. The judge ruled against Sheila, and she

921
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.360
was forced to repay the state for legal expenses incurred

922
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:37.519
so far. Sheila's defense team was preparing for trial and

923
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.960
felt like they had a pretty good chance at an acquittal.

924
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.920
They believed the DNA analysis was weak, saying that one

925
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.679
sample showed both male and female genes and the other

926
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.480
sample could have come from one out of every twenty women.

927
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.119
Even Marlene Warren couldn't be excluded as the source of

928
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:57.920
the sample, and even if it was Sheila's DNA, it

929
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.239
wouldn't have been surprising for her to have been in

930
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.840
the car at some point, since it had been at

931
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.440
the Bargain Motor's lot and that's where she worked. Another

932
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.920
key part of the state's case was the orange fiber

933
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:12.199
found in the car and in Sheila's closet, matching the

934
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.760
clown wig that had been sold from the costume shop.

935
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.880
The defense argued that these were synthetic fibers that could

936
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.280
likely be found in hundreds, if not thousands, of different products.

937
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.199
The eyewitness reports were another factor working in favor of

938
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.480
Sheila's defense. All of the witnesses at the crime scene

939
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.559
Joe and his friends, said that the clown was over

940
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.360
six feet tall, and three of the four stated that

941
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.880
the clown was a man Sheila's between five foot six

942
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:39.880
and five foot seven.

943
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:40.320
Well.

944
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.480
Making things even more complicated for the state was a

945
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.440
scandal involving the storage of evidence by the Palm Beach

946
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:52.119
County Sheriff's Department. In February two thousand, seventeen years before

947
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:56.079
Sheila's arrest, the Palm Beach Post published a scathing article

948
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:00.719
with the headline errors Found in sheriff's evidence procedures. The

949
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.800
article reported on an audit that had found evidence from

950
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:07.360
the killer Clown case stored in bags that were unsealed

951
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:11.320
and torn open, with evidence sticking out, opening the door

952
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.960
for cross contamination. The report also documented many examples of

953
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.679
records that were not kept according to standards. There was

954
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.960
also a question of exculpatory evidence that was either lost

955
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:26.639
or kept from the defense. A police report from nineteen

956
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:30.880
ninety mentioned a clown sighting file that contained reports of

957
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.480
around forty clown sightings around Palm Beach the day of

958
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.800
Marlene's murder and the following few days. I know people

959
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.440
are just seeing clowns everywhere.

960
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:42.599
Oh after the murder? Yeah, oh, ok, gotcha.

961
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.920
The defense asked for this file many times over the years,

962
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.719
because it would obviously help them point a finger at

963
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:52.360
other possible suspects, but the prosecutors claimed that the file

964
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.360
was lost. They said it wasn't intentional, it was just

965
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.320
a thirty year old cold case, and stuff gets lost.

966
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.599
Sheila's DEFENSEANZ finally filed a motion to compel the state

967
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.280
to produce the file soon after that. In October twenty

968
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.199
twenty two, the day that jury selection was supposed to

969
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:13.239
begin in Sheila's trial, the state's attorney produced the clown

970
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:17.559
sighting file, saying that it had finally turned up. It

971
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:21.760
had been mistakenly placed in with Michael Warren's odometer, tampering evidence.

972
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.559
They claimed. The judge was frustrated, to say the least.

973
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:29.000
He asked, quote, how is it possible that the sheriffs

974
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.000
didn't see that file? It's ridiculous. This stuff should not

975
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.239
happen unquote. He gave Sheila's defense sixty days to investigate

976
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.360
the leads from the clown sighting file, delaying the trial

977
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:43.920
for a sixth time. Of course, being more than thirty

978
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.199
two years later, it was nearly impossible for her defense

979
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:49.760
team to track down the people who had reported these

980
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:50.719
clown sightings.

981
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:53.760
In twenty twenty, the state announced they were no longer

982
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.159
planning to seek the death penalty, perhaps an admission that

983
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.880
their case wasn't as strong as they would have liked.

984
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:03.519
In April twenty twenty three, three weeks before Sheila's latest

985
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:07.119
trial date, a bomb shell was dropped, the state's attorney

986
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.440
announced that Sheila had agreed to plead guilty to second

987
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.039
deary murder. In exchange, she would be sentenced to twelve

988
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.119
years in prison. With the nearly six years she had

989
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.480
already served plus time off her good behavior, that would

990
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.800
mean Sheila would be released in a year and a

991
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:26.719
half at most. It wasn't a great outcome for the prosecution,

992
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.440
but their case was literally falling apart. It was thirty

993
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.599
three years old, they had the evidence scandal which the

994
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:37.119
defense would have hammered them on, and the witnesses were

995
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.519
literally dying. One of the key witnesses for the prosecution

996
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.760
passed away in twenty twenty. This was a detective who

997
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:47.519
was responsible for maintaining the evidence. Without him, there was

998
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.360
no way for the prosecution to establish a chain of custody.

999
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.000
Marlene's son Joe, approved of the plea deal, saying that

1000
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.000
it wasn't worth the gamble of going to trial. At

1001
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.599
least this way, Sheila would be a convicted murderer and

1002
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.960
would have to carry that label with her forever. The

1003
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.760
state's attorney said, quote, you had a circumstantial case that

1004
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:10.440
I think would have had better success at the time

1005
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.840
it occurred back in nineteen ninety than in the CSI

1006
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:18.119
era of today, where jurors expect to see DNA evidence

1007
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.599
or video evidence or other types of direct evidence tying

1008
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:25.000
the suspect to the crime. Here, we were undermined by

1009
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:27.960
thirty three years between the crime and the trial. We

1010
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.639
were undermined by father time. End quote. As they say,

1011
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.000
hindsight is twenty twenty. Even though Sheila pleaded guilty to

1012
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.679
the murder, her attorney still insisted that she didn't commit

1013
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.559
the crime. He said the plea deal was good enough

1014
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.880
that it wasn't worth the risk of going to trial.

1015
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.000
Michael Warren said, quote, my wife did not commit this crime.

1016
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:51.039
It was difficult to see her plea to a crime

1017
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.280
that she did not commit, but it wasn't worth the

1018
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:55.559
gamble when she would have offered a deal that'll have

1019
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:58.599
her home in sixteen to eighteen months. End quote.

1020
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.800
What do you think about this resolution of this case?

1021
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.760
I think it's horrible. I don't like it at all.

1022
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:06.360
What do you think?

1023
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.280
I don't like it at all either. I think justice

1024
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:14.199
was definitely not done in this case. Sheila did spend

1025
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.280
some time in jail. She's still in jail for another

1026
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.320
I don't know, six months or something like that. But

1027
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:23.199
I think Michael probably had something to do with his

1028
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:24.480
wife's murder as well.

1029
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:25.280
Something to do with it.

1030
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.480
Yeah, I don't think Sheila did it on her own, right, So, yeah,

1031
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:30.239
it's really unfortunate the way.

1032
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.679
It's interesting that she didn't turn on him, because she

1033
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:36.039
could have turned on him for you know, a much

1034
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.320
lighter sentence, I'm sure.

1035
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.119
Yeah.

1036
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.599
And again, Michael, why why couldn't you have divorced Marlene?

1037
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.800
Like I get, he would have lost some assets.

1038
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.280
No, I know, it's just not the not the answer.

1039
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.360
Makes me wonder, like how heavily Obviously a lot of

1040
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.760
the people that we talk about are sociopaths or psychopaths

1041
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.000
and they don't have guilt, But how does it affect

1042
00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:59.800
the rest of your life? You know, knowing that you

1043
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.119
took someone else's life.

1044
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:04.280
I would hope it would affect your life a lot,

1045
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:06.239
but I get the sense that it probably didn't for

1046
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.559
Michael and Sheila at least they seem to be living

1047
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.679
the life. And you know, it's really makes me mad,

1048
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.599
it does. It makes me mad too. It was at

1049
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:18.840
least some measure of justice for Marlene Warren, but as

1050
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.760
we discussed, not nearly enough. Michael Warren has never been charged,

1051
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.159
and Sheila Keen Warren will be a free woman in

1052
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:27.800
a few months. She is currently expected to be released

1053
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.760
from prison in May twenty twenty five. She will be

1054
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.119
sixty one years old. Both Michael and Sheila got what

1055
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:37.559
they wanted. Michael got to inherit, Marlene's assets and cashed

1056
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.480
in on her life insurance policy. Sheila got to be

1057
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.199
with the man she loved enough to kill for only

1058
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.800
serving a few short years for her crime. Marlene's mom,

1059
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:50.360
Shirley Twing, unfortunately passed away in March twenty twenty three,

1060
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.800
just a month before Sheila Keen Warren was convicted of

1061
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.079
her daughter's murder. Marlene's son, Joe Aarons, has been through

1062
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.039
a lot, first losing his brother in an accident, than

1063
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.519
losing his mom. The father figure in his life, Michael Warren,

1064
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.159
then tossed him aside like a piece of trash and

1065
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.599
married the woman who murdered his mom. Before his mom

1066
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.079
was killed, Joe had dreams of going to college and

1067
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.320
becoming a pilot, but after her death he couldn't cope.

1068
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:21.360
Joe struggled for years with anger issues, PTSD, abandonment issues,

1069
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:25.039
and alcohol abuse. One day he finally broke down and said,

1070
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.840
enough is enough. I can't do this on my own.

1071
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.800
I need to go to rehab. Joe got sober and

1072
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.360
then ended up moving to Iowa. He learned how to

1073
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.039
be a builder, and he started his own construction company.

1074
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.599
He still remembers his mom fondly, saying, quote, my mom

1075
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:43.159
was an angel. We were best friends. I look at

1076
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:47.760
myself and still see her in me, the eyes, the smile, unquote,

1077
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:50.000
rest in peace, Marlene.

1078
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:54.960
Do you think that Michael asked Sheila to kill Marlene?

1079
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:56.800
I don't think we can ever know the answer to that,

1080
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.960
but I wouldn't be surprised or I don't know if

1081
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.599
he asked her or if they just talked about it together,

1082
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.320
like they wanted to be together. But Michael was probably like,

1083
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.079
well if I divorce her, I'm going to lose everything.

1084
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:10.960
So you know, they probably brought it up in someone.

1085
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:13.119
I don't believe she did it on her own volition.

1086
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:16.519
I don't believe she I believe they definitely conspired together.

1087
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:18.920
But whose idea it was or how it came about,

1088
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:19.800
who knows.

1089
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.400
So if you're Michael and Sheila, you're living on this

1090
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:26.159
throne of lies, and how do you know you're not

1091
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:27.719
going to turn on each other? They've been together a

1092
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:31.239
long time, but I know, you know, like if Sheila

1093
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:36.920
killed Marlene without Michael, you know, without them conspiring, and

1094
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:39.760
Michael would be nervous that she might do the same

1095
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.880
to him because you know, she would get all of

1096
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:43.559
the assets.

1097
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:45.480
Yeah, you would think that would be like hanging over

1098
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:47.119
their marriage all the time, like if they had a

1099
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:49.960
fight or something, if you like, yeah, like, well, you know,

1100
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.599
I could I could always make your life really bad exactly. Yeah,

1101
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:55.320
I don't know. It doesn't seem like a good life

1102
00:57:55.360 --> 00:58:04.480
to me. We were talking about Halloween movies the other day.

1103
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.280
Halloween is almost upon us, and we were talking about

1104
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.880
the movie Halloween, obviously one of the granddaddy's of all

1105
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:15.159
Halloween movies. I found some interesting facts about the movie

1106
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:18.519
Halloween I thought I would share with you. First, you know,

1107
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:21.000
how many movies there are in the Halloween franchise.

1108
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:22.719
There's a lot, I would say.

1109
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:28.320
Like eight thirteen, And interestingly, I didn't we've seen a handful.

1110
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.679
Of them, probably four yeah, something like that.

1111
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:33.960
And interestingly, like they follow I didn't realize this, but

1112
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.559
there are like different timelines in them, in the sequels,

1113
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.760
Like some movies came out and don't take into account

1114
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.480
the other movies and it's like a choose your own

1115
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.519
adventure type of thing that you can go in different

1116
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.440
timelines of what happened. That's very strange. It took less

1117
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.199
than two weeks to write the script for the original

1118
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.320
Halloween movie, which actually doesn't seem that crazy.

1119
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:59.719
A ton of it, right, That's why I.

1120
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:03.559
Didn't seem that crazy. Jamie Lee Curtis. Jamie Lee Curtis,

1121
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:05.760
it was her first feature debut.

1122
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:06.760
Oh was it really? Yeah?

1123
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.199
I didn't really realize that either. So that was what

1124
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:13.320
really put her on the map. Halloween. You know where

1125
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.480
it was set, right, I'm not sure actually the town.

1126
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.960
It was a fictional town, but it was set in Haddenfield, Illinois.

1127
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:25.679
Oh okay, but it was actually shot in Pasadena and Hollywood, California.

1128
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.199
And I guess if you look closely in some scenes

1129
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:30.400
there are palm trees in the background with some of

1130
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:33.599
the shots. So that's kind of funny. Even though the

1131
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:36.599
ten days of writing the screenplay didn't impress me that much,

1132
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:39.800
the production that impressed me. You know how many how

1133
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.519
long it took to actually film the movie? No, twenty days,

1134
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:44.840
that's insane.

1135
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.639
I guess I don't know what the length is of Oh.

1136
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:49.800
I think most feature films take months to.

1137
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.639
Film, okay, and that went really there's especially for poor

1138
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:54.840
Jamie Lee Curtis. She went through it with that movie.

1139
00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:58.800
There's a lot of running and screaming and it must

1140
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:00.440
have been very a very physical job.

1141
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.440
Yeah, I would think so. I think a lot of

1142
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:04.920
people know this. But the mask that Michael Meyer wore,

1143
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:06.480
do you know what that is based on?

1144
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:10.159
M I know it, but I can't think of it.

1145
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:11.679
It's a Captain Kirk mask.

1146
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.679
That's right. Posted on my Instagram last week.

1147
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.960
Yeah, I think that's really funny. Original. Originally they were,

1148
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:20.360
they were. They narrowed it down to two different masks.

1149
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.320
One was the the Captain Kirk mask, but the other

1150
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:27.239
was a clown mask. It was a clown called Weary Willie,

1151
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.760
which is like a sad clown. Two more quick facts.

1152
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.880
One is that most of the actors in the film

1153
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:38.119
supplied their own wardrobe. Jamie Lee Curtis bought her costumes

1154
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:41.079
at J. C. Penny All for under one hundred dollars.

1155
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:41.920
I'm not surprised.

1156
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.079
It doesn't surprise me either. The other thing is that

1157
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:48.320
Michael Myers is played by three different actors in the.

1158
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.639
Movie, which I did not just the first movie.

1159
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:51.760
Yeah, just in the first movie.

1160
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:53.079
Why is that?

1161
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:55.519
I think it's because he had a mask on. I

1162
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:57.639
think it was just whoever was available on set at

1163
01:00:57.679 --> 01:00:59.760
the particular time that they needed a person.

1164
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.199
So it would probably be pretty fun if you were

1165
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:04.199
just you know, the janitor on the set that got

1166
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:05.280
to play Michael Myers.

1167
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.760
Yeah, it would be cool. We should. We should watch it.

1168
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:09.599
We used to watch it every year.

1169
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.559
Yeah, we should again, it's been a while.

1170
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:13.920
It's mid October and we have yet to watch a

1171
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:15.960
scary movie, right, know, it's really nice. Do you have

1172
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:17.800
any recommendations for us? Let us know.

1173
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:20.679
We've gotten a few already, so yeah, we've gotten a

1174
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:23.760
couple in our inbox and in comments, so we have

1175
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:25.679
a few on our list. But if you have others,

1176
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definitely let us know.

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Yeah, let's watch one now, Okay, right after eat dinner.

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All right, let's do it.

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You know what I made for dinner?

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What did you make for dinner?

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I made well, I made like some pasta with some

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sauce and some bread. But I made butternut squash, which

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you're gonna hate.

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Oh okay, great, got that to look forward to.

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Yeah, you're going to eat it though, right of course

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to try it. Yes, okay, all right, before we go,

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Do you want to say anything about the Tigers or

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are you.

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I'd rather not talk about it. No, it was it

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was a great season. I'm so happy they got as

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far as they did. I am a little sad that

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my parlay bet that I made for the Tigers to

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make it to the World Series and the Lions to

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win the Super Bowl is not going to pan out.

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But Lions guy.

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Oh yeah, Aiden Hutchinson really badly injured.

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That was probably listening, So get well soon, Aiden Hutchinson.

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Yes, I'm sure he is listening. He's got some time

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on his hands right.

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Now, so I hope he makes a full and speedy recovery.

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Yes, for sure.

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