Sept. 2, 2024

MaryJane and Christian Longo - Part 1

MaryJane and Christian Longo - Part 1
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Christian Longo, 19, married his wife MaryJane, 26, in 1993 in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The couple had three children in rapid succession, Zachery, Sadie, and Madison. Chris was the sole breadwinner in the family and after his business, Final Touch Construction Cleaning, began to fail, he struggled to keep his family afloat and soon turned to a life of crime to make ends meet writing counterfeit checks. The family was in dire straits financially and had alienated all of their friends and family through Chris’ lies and deception.

They decided to head to the Oregon coast for a fresh start but soon Chris and MaryJane were out of money and options. On December 19, 2002, the body of Zachery Longo, 4, was found floating in the water. Soon after, his sister’s body was found in the same waters; later two suitcases were found containing the bodies of MaryJane and Madison. Days later, Christian Longo fled the country for Cancun Mexico.

Listen to both parts now on Patreon.com/LoveMarryKill

Today's snack: Dutch oven popcorn made with clarified butter and M&M's.

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Hi. I'm Tina and I'm Rich. And if there's one

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thing we've learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's.

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That some days you'll feel like killing your.

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Wife, and some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to love, Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey Tina.

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How are you?

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I'm doing all right? How are you doing?

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I'm good, I'm good, feeling a little better still a

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little rough. Voice is probably still a little raspy, but

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doing better. Yeah, I'm kind of surprised. This is my

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first go around with COVID. It's hard to believe, but

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we neither of us have had it in the four

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plus years it's been around, and we had recently gotten boosted,

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which was probably a good thing, but I'm still feeling

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kind of crappy almost two weeks later.

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Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that.

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And you never got it, so that's great.

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I didn't luckily.

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Yeah. Well, thank you to everyone who sent me a message.

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It was very nice.

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You have very nice listeners, don't we Yes.

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Our listeners are amazing. But recently we've had several people

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message us about cases that they disagree with us and

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like disagree with our conclusions. One of them was Karen Reid,

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and there's been other ones too like that go back

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because people sometimes, you know, they listen from two older

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episodes too. And I just want to say that we

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are not experts. We are just mom and dad sitting

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here doing a podcast, and if you disagree with us,

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that's one thousand percent fine.

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the cases, we try to keep them factual, and then

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at the end we give our opinions.

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And today it is just our opinion. Yeah, exactly, it's

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okay to disagree with us, and we don't mind if

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you send us a message saying, hey, you guys are

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way off on this. But just know that we don't

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see ourselves as experts and we don't have the final say.

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It's just our opinion, yeah, but we're happy to look

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at other opinions as well.

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Absolutely, we can have different opinions and we can still

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be friends, you sure, ken, And if you leave us

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a note on Spotify, we don't have a way to respond,

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and a lot of those messages come in on Spotify.

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So just wanted to address that really quickly. When we

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sit down to record, I get amnesia. Do you get amnesia?

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I have amnesia almost all the time. I don't remember.

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There's always things that I mean to talk about or

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mention or give people shout outs. And I've been super

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remiss about a shout out, but I've seriously been meaning

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to give for like two months. There's a newer podcast.

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They're friends of ours, Severed Podcast, and they sent us

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the coolest gift.

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It is the coolest gift, and I have it sitting

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in my office in a place of honor because it

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is so awesome.

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It should be cherished. Do you want to talk about

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it for a second.

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Yeah, it's the it's the painting from the Sopranos that

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I don't remember the plot exactly, but somebody made a

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painting of Tony Soprano with a horse. It looks a

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little like Napoleon or something like that, and they sent.

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Us a It was in Polly's house.

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Oh that's right. Yes, it was a pain that Tony

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had commissioned and he wanted to destroy. Yeah, and then

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Paulie kept it and changed it to put Tony in

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a general's clothing or something like that.

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It's great. It was such a sweet gift. And please

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check out Severed podcast. They are smarter than us. They're

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funnier than us.

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Probably they're nicer than us too.

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They're super nice. I just I really love their podcast,

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Super in Depth and they do a lot of interesting cases.

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They also have a lot of fun spinoffs. It's Drew

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and Harry, but Drew has control of their Instagram feed

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and she does a great job. She loves her state

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of New Jersey and takes you on a lot of

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fun field chips she likes. They like to eat hot

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dogs and donuts and yeah, they're just great, So.

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Please check them out. Check them out.

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Before it gets started on today's case, I wanted to

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briefly talk about last week's case. I think I was

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having like I was in a fever dream state a

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little bit.

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Yeah, you're still pretty sick.

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And we didn't talk about Molly and James enough. I

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feel like I didn't express my outrage enough that he

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that James killed Molly, Like I don't understand why he

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had to kill her, and he couldn't have just broken

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up with her.

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I know what a horrible, horrible person like he made.

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He made a dumb mistake in saying he was going

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to marry her, but then he just never put a

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stop to it.

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He just easily could have walked away, right. Yeah, and Mollie,

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you know, she would have been hurt, she would have

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been devastated. She would still be here.

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Yeah, yeah, it's horrible cowardly man.

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Anyway, every time we finished an episode, I'm like, oh,

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I wish I would have said that, And then I

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was like, I did not express my outrage because it

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really did make me mad. Yeah, I almost forgot. We

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have a snack. We have a snack, and you made

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the snack because I was you know.

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You're doing some last minute scrambling.

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I haven't left the house in a week, literally, And yeah,

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I just said, make some pop chords.

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Well, not the most exciting sack, but there there are

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fa I mean really, well, there are two things I

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think I'm fairly good at making. One is scrambled eggs

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and the other is popcorn. You're good at both. Also,

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I'm not like saying you're not good.

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No, you do make the best scrambled eggs, but I do.

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When I've been making popcorn lately, I've been experimenting with

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different types of oils, different salts, trying to vary. So

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today I did something a little bit different with the popcorn.

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Let's see if you if you can pick out what

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it is?

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Okay, well, I already ate half the bowl and I

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would like more. Popcorn is one of our favorite snaps.

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Oh yeah, I mean sometimes not about pop.

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Dinner when no one else is around. We have popcorn

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for dinner and our kids are like really but yeah,

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and we always have to put a treat in it

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because we're health nuts. And I see some nice m

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and ms here.

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To me, Eminem's is the classic treat that goes in popcorn.

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I know you have other things.

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Lately, I've been into sour Patch Kids, which is really strange,

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but I really like sour Patch Kids and the popcorn

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milk duds are my ultimate popcorn add on. But what

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did you do differently? I'm not really sure. Well, let's

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take a quick break and I'll try the popcorn and

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see if my not quite great taste buds right now

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will discern the special ingredient.

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All right, let's see.

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Well, it's delicious popcorn.

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Glad you enjoyed it.

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Can we just go watch a movie? Sure?

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I think there's a movie about the case you're going

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to talk about. Can we just go watch that?

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I don't think I want to watch that again. Yeah,

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all right, so tell me what you did, because I

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don't know.

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I made it with real butter. I clarified butter. If

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you're gonna use real butter and popcorn, you have to

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clarify it otherwise it gets all shrinks up. So I

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made some clarified butter. I think I might have put

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a little too much butter on it, but yeah, that's it.

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I was trying to make it as buttery and movie

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theater like as possible.

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Wow. Well, thank you. It's good, but I don't think

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it's for me. It's not like, Oh, it's so much better.

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I think the I don't know what that oil is

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that we have. I think that works pretty well too.

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Yeah, that oil is good.

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You recently went to Iceland and you brought back.

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Some black salt, some lava salt.

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Yeah, and that was really yummy on the popcorn too.

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Well, I just broke that, So the lava salt is gone.

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Sorry to say.

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Maybe we can get some more. Maybe sometimes I put

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lemon pepper on it or you know, other stuff. But anyway, popcorn.

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It's a good stand. Oh I should we should mention too.

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We have no exaggeration. Had like forty different pop popcorn

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makers over the years, but our recent go to has

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been making it on the stove in the Dutch.

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Dutch of it.

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Yeah, is that what you did?

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That's what I did.

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Yeah, And that's a thank you to my best friend

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Jennifer Gardner.

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Thanks Jennifer.

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She just won't let me alone, but she did that

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on her Instagram and I was like.

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Oh, it really is the best way I think.

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Okay, and one more side note. I'm sorry, We're going

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to get to the case in a minute. But this

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year I was like, you know what, I'm just going

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to buy the four hundred dollars Dutch job and I'm

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just going to do it because we've had so many

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over the years, and you know, I've bought like the

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Walmart version or the Target version or whatever. And I

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was like, I'm just going to buy the good one.

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But then I saw Amazon had one and I did

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buy it. It's beautiful, right, and I can't I think

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it was like forty or fifty dollars. It wasn't. I

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got it on sale. But it's a beautiful pot and

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it works, and I don't know, it works really well. Yeah,

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So I did not buy the late crusee, you know,

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a four hundred dollars pot. I just was like, I'm

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just going to try one more and I don't regret it.

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I think it's a great pot. You're looking at me

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like I'm crazy for bringing up a pot on our podcast.

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I don't think you're crazy.

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It all is coming and I think it's a great pot,

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and I think people will be happy to I.

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Think it's a great tip for people, not at all.

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It's also a great way to make popcorn.

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It is.

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Do you want to talk about the method really quick?

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I mean it's pretty simple really. You just put whatever

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oil you want in the bottom of the Dutch oven,

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heat it up, put in like three popcorn kernels to

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wait for them to pop so you know the oil

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is hot enough.

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Oh I don't do that.

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Put a lid on it, leave a little gap in

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the lid so the steam can get out. Once those

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three kernels pop, dump your popcorn in and go to town.

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And I've also started using this flavor call, which is

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the salt I use, which is a very buttery flavored

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salt that's supposed to be much like the movie theater salt.

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Oh good, yeah, great? Ten out of ten excellent. Today's episode,

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while not graphic, does contain violence against women and children.

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Please listen with care. Much like the three Horrible Peterson's

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be covered Drew, Michael, and Scott, there are three horrible

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family annihilators, each named Chris. We have told two of

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their stories already, Chris Watts, of course, and Chris Coleman.

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Today we will finally tell you about the third Horrible Chris.

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Chris Longo.

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Oh boy, the Chris Chronicles. Is that what you're going

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to call this?

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I mean no, because we already recorded the other two

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ages ago, but in the back of my mind I

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was always like, yeah, I want to tell this story too.

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I was on Reddit last night researching a little bit

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about this case, and it was brought to my attention

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that there is another. I mean, I'm sure there's other

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bad crises too, but there's another family annihilator name Chrispanoit,

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who was a wrestler, and maybe we'll cover that one

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for me too. On Wednesday, December nineteenth, two thousand and two,

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in the coastal town of Waldport, Oregon, a young boy

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was found floating face down in muddy water. He was

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estimated to be between four and six years old. The

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boy was about forty inches tall and weighed fifty pounds.

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He had well groomed blondish hair and hazel eyes. He

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was wearing only underwear. His body was unscathed, free of

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any trauma or injury, and otherwise appeared to be in

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good health. The odd thing was that no child in

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the area had been reported missing. Police estimated that he'd

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been in the pond no more than eight to ten hours.

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Officers went door to door in the town of two

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thousand and every child was accounted for. With few clues

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to go on, divers plunged into the murky waters seeking evidence.

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They thought a car may have gone over the bridge.

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The only thing of note that was found was a

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pillow case printed with characters from the Rugrat's cartoon, with

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large rocks inside. As the divers continued their work, another

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child was found, this time a girl with blond hair

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and blue eyes. She was also only wearing underwear. A

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floral pillow case containing a large rock was tied to

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her right ankle that had weighed her down. She was

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smaller than the boy, but shared facial features that led

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investigators to believe the children were related. The FBI was

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called in to help with the case. The bridge over

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the body of water was part of Highway thirty four,

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and soon it became a memorial as the heart broken

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citizens of Waldport behind flowers, balloons, and cards for the

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unidentified children. Just days before Christmas, when the police released

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drawings of the children, a woman named Denise Thompson came

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forward to identify them. She told police the children were

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Zachary Michael Longo nearly five, and Sadie Ann Longo three

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and a half. Denise informed the police that there was

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a third Longo child, Madison Jeanie Longo, h two. The

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children's parents were Christian Chris Longo twenty seven and Mary

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Jane Longo thirty four. Denise had worked with Chris at

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a local Fredmeyer grocery store. He had worked at the

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Starbucks in side of the store, but he'd recently been

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promoted to the home furnishing department, with Denise as a

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favorite of Chris. Denise had babysat the three children just

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days earlier, on December fifteenth, so he and Mary Jane

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could go out on a date. Denise told law enforcement

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that the Longo family had moved to Oregon from Ohio,

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three months earlier, she drive the family as loving on.

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In December nineteenth, Denise and Chris had had lunch together.

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During the lunch, Chris told her that his wife had

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just fallen back to their home state of Michigan with

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their three children to be with another man, a man

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wealthier than him, but Chris gave few other details. Police

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went to the condo that was the last known residence

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of the Longo family. They found it vacant except for

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a few belongings, including two stuffed animals, a Clifford the

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Dog and Scooby Doo. In a nearby dumpster. Many of

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the Longo's possessions were found, including Mary Jane's purse and

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driver's license. To say the Longo family was in crisis

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in the months before their murders would be a vast understatement.

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They were living on the precipice of houselessness, frequently moving

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from place to place to keep their family off the streets.

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They lived in the tent, an abandoned warehouse, several hotels,

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and finally the condo. Their maroon minivan was filled with

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the detritus of their lives. The police investigation would later

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painstakingly catalog the contents of the van. The list was

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twelve pages long, including toys, diapers, camping gear, videotapes, clothing,

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a scooter, et cetera. On December twenty seventh, a week

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after Zachary was found floating in the water, two green

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suitcases were found in the bay near the condo where

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the Longos lived. One of the suitcases contained the contorted,

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naked body of Mary Jane Longo. She appeared to have

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been bludgeoned and strangled. The smaller suitcase contained random pieces

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of clothing, a five pound scuba diving weight, and two

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year old Madison wearing only a diaper. She also appeared

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to have blunt forest trauma to the head and signs

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of strangulation. The cause of death of the two older children,

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Zachary and Sadie, was never determined.

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A so so horrible, horrible.

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Although it's not certain exactly when the murders, likely occurred,

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in the early hours on a cold morning on December seventeenth,

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two thousand and one, or at least that's when the

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bodies were disposed of. That morning, a man named Dick

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Hack witnessed a maroon Plymouth Montana van with a Michigan

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plate that read kid Van on a bridge on Highway

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thirty four near Waldport, Oregon. He pulled over to ask

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the driver of the van, a white male who appeared

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to be alone, if he needed assistance. The man said

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he was fine, just checking the engine, and sent the

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dew gooder on his way. He would later identify the

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man stopped on the bridge as Christian Longo in a

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move that can only be described as shockingly bold. The

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day after the incident on the bridge, December eighteenth, Chris

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Longo drove to a Chrysler Town and Country dealership. He

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removed the kid Van license plate from his vehicle and

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left the maroon van parked in the parking lot and

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entered the show room. He found a green, dodged Durringo

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like one he had previously owned. He found the vehicle

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unlocked with the keys inside. He brazenly started the vehicle

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and drove the Duringo off the show room floor and

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out the door.

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Wow.

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He sped away undetected. No one at the dealership noticed

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the car was missing.

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Until the next That is crazy.

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Don't want to try it, and I think the doors

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I don't know if they still do, but they like

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they automatically opened.

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Uh huh, So I think he just that is wild.

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I'm picturing Fargo. Remember in Fargo when the guy, the

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car sales guy, drives off in the lot and the

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cop played by Francis McDorman sees him leaving, and she's like,

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he's flee on the scene. He's flee on the scene.

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I have no recollection of that scene.

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It's a classic.

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It's a great movie. Though. The police were notified about

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the stolen Duringo on December nineteenth, the day Zach Longo's

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body was found in the water. As police were working

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hard to identify the little boy, Christian Longo attended his

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work Christmas party. When he arrived the next morning at work,

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he told his manager that his wife and kids had

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left him and he was now available to work any shift. However,

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on Friday, December twentieth, the usually punctual Chris did not

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show up to work. After work on Thursday, Chris had

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gone to the gym to play volleyball with some friends.

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He overheard a news broadcast on the radio about the

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body of a young boy being found in the water.

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He was panicked, but played volleyball for two hours with

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his friends. Plotting his next move, He returned to the

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condo one last time and packed up a few possessions,

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including the microwave and television from the condo that didn't

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belong to him, and he hurried out of town. He

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cast his two hundred thirty dollars paycheck, then drove aimlessly

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for six hundred miles until he found himself in Sacramento.

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He slept in the stolen duringo and then made his

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way to San Francisco. With little money and no credit,

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Chris had few options. He stated a youth hostel and

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subsisted on triskets, cheese, and ramen noodles. He applied for

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a job at a Starbux on December twenty third. The

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manager assured him that he'd call him in a few days.

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When the manager called Chris's references from fred Meyer, they

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contacted the police. By this time, the FBI had been

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involved in the case too. Chris never heard back from

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the Starbucks. He checked the news online and found that

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the bodies of his family had been located. He felt defeated.

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He partnered the Golden Gate Bridge and intended to take

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his own life by jumping from the bridge, but he

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couldn't make himself do it. I should stop here and

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mention at this point that a lot of the story

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is from Chris's perspective, and take that with a grain

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of writing. Of course, for the next several days, he

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drove around aimlessly and slept in the duringo. On Christmas Day,

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he went to see the movie Ali. He watched it

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twice and then got chinese food. The manager of the

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San Francisco Starbucks, who was cooperating with the FBI, called

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Chris for a job interview. The FBI planned to nab

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Chris when he showed up at the interview, but Chris

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was a step ahead. He had saved a credit card

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receipt from a customer at Fredmeyer weeks earlier. He booked

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a flight to cancuon using that credit card number under

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his own name. He palmed the stolen television and microwave

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from his old condo. He now had an extra ninety

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dollars in his pocket. In total, he had about two

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hundred dollars. On December twenty seventh, when Chris didn't show

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up the Starbucks interview, police knew he was on to them,

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but it was too late. Chris flew from San Francisco

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and had arrived undetected by law enforcement in Cancun in

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two thousand and one. A passport wasn't necessary for entry

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into Mexico. Chris was admitted into the country without a problem.

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An FBI officer appeared on Larry King Live and The

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Today Show and offered a fifty thousand dollar reward for

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any information about Christian Longo. America's Most Wanted ran a

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segment on him too. John Walsh cautioned the audience quote,

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He's very very charming, he's very very smart, he's very

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calcul he's really really good at disappearing. End quote. His

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parents Joy and Joe Longo made a public plea for

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Chris to turn himself in. In a statement read by

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a family friend, They said, quote, the whole family is

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extremely distraught over the events that are occurring in Oregon

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and deeply grieved over the loss of our four dear

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family members. We are hopeful that Christian will be found

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and this mystery will be resolved soon. End quote. The

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FBI soon discovered that Longo had escaped to Mexico, but

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they had no other leads, and Mexico is an easy

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place to disappear. On January sixth, the stolen Dodge Dringo

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was found at the San Francisco Airport.

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Kristin Michael Stewart was born on January twenty third, nineteen

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seventy four, in Burlington, Iowa, to parents Joy and Stephen Stewart.

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Joy became pregnant during her senior year of high school.

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She and Stephen were married, but it was a difficult

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and abusive marriage. Step was an alcoholic. Joy's first pregnancy

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resulted in a miscarriage, possibly because of her husband's abuse.

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She suffered a second miscarriage after Stephen rolled the car

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when he was driving drunk. Dustin Anthony was born fifteen

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months after Christian. After his father gave Chris a black

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eye when he was three, Joy filed for divorce and

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a restraining order. The boys never saw their father again.

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He remarried and moved to Iowa, where he works as

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an electrician. Joy moved home to Des Moines, Iowa. She

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and the boys lived with her parents until she took

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a job at Target, where she met and fell in

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love with Joe Longo, who was the store manager. After

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they were married, Joe adopted Christian and Dustin, a former

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football star and homecoming King. Joe was a beloved member

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of the community. His new sons adored him too. Christian said, quote,

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my dad was my idol and hero. I couldn't ask

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for a more loving family. Unquote, Joe is the only

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father that he remembers. In nineteen eighty the Longos moved

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to Indianapolis for Joe's job with Target. While living there,

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Joy became a Jehovah's witness. It took Joe, a former

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altar boy and devout Catholic, three years to join his

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wife in her new religion, but eventually he left his

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job at Target to devote himself fully to the Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Christian felt limited by the religion as his parents became

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stricter about not allowing him to participate in sports or

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listen to popular music. The religion made him feel awkward

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and unpopular in school. Though he was smart, his grades suffered.

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In nineteen eighty nine, the Longos moved again to Louisville, Kentucky.

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Kristin chose homeschooling to finish high school. He never attended college.

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I don't know a lot about Jehovah's witnesses. I did

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just a little bit of research, and I found that

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Jehovah's Witnesses tend to dissuade their members from participating and

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higher learning to do to the belief of corrupting influences

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and the belief that the end of the world is imminent.

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Only nine percent of Jehovah Witnesses receive a bachelor's degree,

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the lowest of any religious group, and Jehovah's Witnesses are

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also among the poorest.

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Interesting. I don't know a lot about Jehovah's witnesses either,

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but I did go to a Jehovah's witness meeting one time.

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You did not.

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I worked at a restaurant and there was a girl

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that I really liked at the restaurant and she was

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a Jehovah's witness.

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That's how they get you, I know.

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And there was one there's like apparently one day of

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the year that they're allowed to bring guests to their services.

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And so they're kingdom halls, yes.

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And so she brought me on that one day of

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the year that you're allowed to bring guests. I went

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and I sat through it. I don't remember a lot.

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The only thing I remember is they pass around a

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glass of wine, and you're not supposed to drink from

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the glass of wine unless you suddenly have a realization

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that you are one of the chosen. However, they have

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like a number of people that are going to go

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to heaven or something like that, and if you suddenly no,

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00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.759
it's a limited number that they believe. I just looked

475
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:09.480
it up. It's one hundred and forty four thousand.

476
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:10.920
Is a lot of questions.

477
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:12.559
I know they don't have a lot of answers.

478
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:14.119
They probably reached capacity then.

479
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.319
I don't know. I don't have the answer to that.

480
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:18.759
But does everyone else go I don't know.

481
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.000
I don't have the answers to your questions. I just

482
00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.960
thought it was really wild that like this glass of

483
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.359
wine comes around and if you drink from it, that

484
00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:28.799
means you're going to heaven. Because you're like, oh, I

485
00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:30.880
think I'm one of the one hundred and forty four thousand.

486
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:33.359
I think a lot of people would be like, oh,

487
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:35.680
I'm just you would think I'm I'm going to drink

488
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:36.160
the wine.

489
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.480
Nobody in the meeting I was at drying from the wine.

490
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.880
It just got passed around and then it was done.

491
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.960
Very interesting. I did not know that story and I

492
00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:44.720
know all your story.

493
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.119
I have a few. I have a few that you

494
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:48.160
don't know yet. Maybe.

495
00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.039
The only other thing I know about Jehovah's witnesses is

496
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:54.240
they don't celebrate birthdays and holidays.

497
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:59.160
Yes, and they don't accept blood really yeah, no blood

498
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:00.519
transfusions or anything like that.

499
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:01.759
Interesting.

500
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.640
Joy Longo recalls her son was a good kid except

501
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:09.519
for one bad habit. He lied a lot, and sometimes

502
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:13.440
about inconsequential things. He would never admit to his lies.

503
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:17.039
Joy said, quote, we tried very hard to get that

504
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.960
out of his character unquote. Joy also talked about Chris's

505
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.519
obsession with girls and women. Although he was not allowed

506
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:28.400
to date, he found workarounds once he stole Joe's credit

507
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.359
card to send flowers to a girl. Joy and Joe

508
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:35.119
Longo moved from Louisville, Kentucky, to Ipsilanti, Michigan, in the

509
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:39.359
fall of nineteen ninety good Old Ipsilanty Ipsilanty. Kristen was

510
00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:41.480
sixteen and Dustin was fifteen.

511
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:43.920
Okay, I just want to pause for a second and

512
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:48.680
say that a lot of this case takes place near us,

513
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.400
very near us, and so there are a few gratuitous

514
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.279
like local landmarks that I shout out just.

515
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:58.000
For you and oh thanks, Oh, we are proud of

516
00:25:58.039 --> 00:25:59.559
our home state. For sure.

517
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.440
Ipsilante is spelled y psi, la and ti, and a

518
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:11.599
lot of people say yipsilante and the why is silent ipsilante.

519
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:14.039
It's good that we know how to pronounce it.

520
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:17.960
It is. When Joy and Joe planned a vacation to Arizona,

521
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.359
the teenage boys chose to stay with friends. The Longos

522
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:24.960
hired Mary Jane Baker, twenty three, to house and dog sit.

523
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.519
Christian stopped home to pick up some things and hit

524
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:31.079
it off with the pretty twenty three year old. He

525
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.519
found himself spending more time at his house to be

526
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.880
around Mary Jane. He was smitten with the older woman,

527
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.200
but she had a serious boyfriend and wasn't interested in

528
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.400
a sixteen year old boy. At first, Mary Jane lived

529
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:47.160
at home with her mother and five siblings. She had

530
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:50.440
been born and raised in Ipsilanti. Money had been tied

531
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.319
her entire life. She tried to help out her mother

532
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.160
any way she could. There had been no time or

533
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.160
money for Mary Jane to go to college. She worked

534
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.759
as an assistant to a podiatrist. She was a devout

535
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:06.359
Jehovah's witness and frequently did field service, going door to

536
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.160
door talking to people about her faith on her days

537
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.119
off with her church friends. Her mother had been kicked

538
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.759
out of the Kingdom Hall for moral lapses. Who what

539
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.079
that's all about, I don't know. In the months that followed,

540
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:22.119
Christian took any opportunity to be close to Mary Jane.

541
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.240
On a church trip to Mount Brighton to ski the

542
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.839
first time for Longo, he fell and hit his head.

543
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.759
He required stitches, and he was thrilled when Mary Jane

544
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:35.440
offered to take him to the hospital. When Chris was seventeen,

545
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.160
he began working at a camera shop in Briarwood Mall

546
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.960
in ann Arbor. He asked for the same day off

547
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.759
as Mary Jane so that they could do field service together.

548
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.039
They became good friends, but then lost touch until the

549
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.920
winter of nineteen ninety two when they went skiing again

550
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.319
with their Kingdom Hall, which is how Jehovah's witnesses refer

551
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:57.519
to their churches or places of worship. They realized they

552
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.920
both had feelings for each other despite the seven years

553
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.960
age difference. Days before Chris turned eighteen, he and Mary

554
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:08.119
Jane became a couple. The Longos were very against Chris

555
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.720
dating seriously at such a young age and made him

556
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.440
move out of their house. He was happy to if

557
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.319
it meant that he could see Mary Jane as much

558
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.799
as he wanted. Mary Jane and Chris were observing that

559
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.440
Jehovah's witness rules of dating and didn't kiss or hold hands.

560
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.720
They were required to have a chaperone with them, usually

561
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.160
Mary Jane's sister when they took their strolls at Gallup Park.

562
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.640
Do you like all of these ann arbor references that

563
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:32.960
are pertin to marvelish?

564
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.079
I do. Everyone else may not get them, but we

565
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.200
are very familiar with these places. Yeah.

566
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:39.960
We used to go to Gallup Park all the time.

567
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:41.279
We thought about getting married there.

568
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.240
Yeah, we did. Yeah, it's a really beautiful park.

569
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.200
Bryd Mall is the mall that's nearest to our house

570
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.480
that we don't go to very much.

571
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:49.960
Kind of it's kind of a dying mall.

572
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:53.839
But yeah, but yeah, it's just wild that this story

573
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.880
largely takes place essentially in our own backyard.

574
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.759
Yeah. In June of nineteen ninety two, Chris just eighteen,

575
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.559
proposed to Mary Jane by placing a ring box in

576
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.960
a bread basket while they were out to dinner.

577
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:07.680
I thought they were at cottage in. Where do you

578
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:08.480
think they were?

579
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.880
Probably cottage in. When she opened the box, she saw

580
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.000
a three quarter carrot diamond that Chris had bought on credit.

581
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.759
He asked, would you dare to be my wife? She

582
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:22.960
said yes, We'll be right back after a break.

583
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.519
Christian made nine dollars an hour at his job at

584
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:35.960
the camera shop. His debts, including Mary Jane's engagement ring,

585
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.279
quickly became unmanageable. He began taking cash out of the

586
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:44.079
cash register at work. He was racked with guilt and confessed.

587
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.640
The camera shop fired him and pressed charges, even though

588
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.400
he returned the one hundred and eight dollars. Chris was

589
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:55.240
convicted of misdemeanor embezzlement and sentenced to eighty hours of

590
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.200
community service, which he served at the Huron Valley Humane Society.

591
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.279
That's where we adopted our first two.

592
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:02.880
Cats, Daisy and Lucy.

593
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.240
Yeah, before we were married.

594
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:08.440
Oh yeah, our first babies. Mary Jane forgave Chris, but

595
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.759
made him tell the church elders. After his admission, they

596
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.920
refused to allow Chris and Mary Jane to get married

597
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.920
in the Kingdom Hall. Christian took a job with a

598
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.440
newspaper fulfillment company, delivering the New York Times and other

599
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.960
newspapers for fifteen dollars an hour, which must have been

600
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.920
a pretty good age. Yeah. The new job improved his

601
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.519
financial situation, but soon the expense of a two hundred

602
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.279
and fifty person wedding was upon him and Mary Jane.

603
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:36.119
Pretty big wedding.

604
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:41.240
Huge. They rented the auditorium and cafeteria of Mary Jane's

605
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.319
alma mater here On High School in ann Arbor. I

606
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:45.400
didn't know you could rent out.

607
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:46.920
I didn't know that either. I was just going to

608
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:47.480
say that.

609
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.400
They were married on March thirteenth, nineteen ninety three. Chris

610
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:56.160
was barely nineteen and Mary Jane twenty six. Joy and

611
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.200
Joe Longo, despite their doubt of their son's maturity and

612
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.359
readiness for marriage, attended the wedding and gave the couple

613
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.480
a generous gift of a trip to Jamaica. Mary Jane

614
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.400
and Chris rented a loft apartment in Deepottown and Ipsilante.

615
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:13.240
Do you want to talk about Nipsilante just for a second. Sure,

616
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.160
because we you know, a lot of times we give

617
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:19.079
geographical background. Didn't do any research here, but I'm sure

618
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.559
that you have some information you can share about Ipsilent.

619
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.960
Well. Ipslany's kind of like the sister city Dane Arber.

620
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:25.920
It's just east of ann Arbor and they kind of

621
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:26.759
border on each other.

622
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.680
And ann Arbor is home to University of Michigan and

623
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.839
Ipsilante right next door is home to Eastern Michigan University,

624
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:34.960
which is also a great school.

625
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.400
Yeah, and in a lot of ways, Ipsilani is kind

626
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.640
of thought of as more of like a hip, up

627
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:41.680
and coming place compared to ann Arbor.

628
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:42.920
It's a lot more affordable.

629
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:43.920
Yeah, that's true.

630
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.839
Crime rate is higher, yep, But in recent years, I

631
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.759
think locals kind of prefer Ipsilenty to ann Arbor in

632
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.279
some ways. Yeah, because Ipslani is just it's just a

633
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.319
little cooler, it's more affordable, just has.

634
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.519
Like a more of a vibe going on, more of

635
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.160
a vibe going on.

636
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.319
For sure. Christian was doing well in his job. He

637
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:06.240
was promoted to district manager. He was making more money,

638
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.440
and they went on frequent trips to Mexico and Jamaica.

639
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.240
Chris liked to shop for Mary Jane and spoil her

640
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.119
with expensive gifts that they really couldn't afford. He bought

641
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.359
two new vehicles, a red Camaro from Mary Jane and

642
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.559
an SUV for himself. They were in debt up to

643
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:27.039
their ears with twelve maxed out credit cards, but Mary

644
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.200
Jane was unaware of their financial situation.

645
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:31.359
Ah, that stresses me out.

646
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:36.960
I know, seriously, this story. Of course, it's horrible everything

647
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.519
that happens, but the financial stress. I really have a

648
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.000
hard time reading about people's financial stress. And he daily

649
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.960
stresses me out. I think Chris is super young and

650
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:51.160
super immature. He's like twenty, and he has all these responsibilities.

651
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.640
And yeah, it's a lot for a twenty year old.

652
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.119
Yeah. In July nineteen ninety six, Mary Jane discovered she

653
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:56.799
was pregnant.

654
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:58.920
Oh, another responsibility.

655
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.079
Exactly, Mary Jane and Chris, and we're excited to welcome

656
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.200
a baby. Mary Jane knitted a blanket and Chris built

657
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.000
an armoire and a toy chest. They painted scenes from

658
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.359
Peter Rabbit on the walls of the nursery. On February

659
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:15.160
twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven, Zachary Michael Longo was born.

660
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.039
Things were going well for Chris professionally. He had been

661
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:23.480
promoted again to Midwest field manager. Mary Jane soon became

662
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.799
pregnant again. She quit working and stayed home to take

663
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.440
care of Zachary. Chris's job now required him to travel

664
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.920
almost weekly. As his income rose, so did his spending.

665
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:40.400
Image was everything to Christian. He liked designer clothes, expensive cars,

666
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.039
and home furnishings. The Longos soon purchased a new, three

667
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.039
bedroom home for their growing family. On April thirtieth, nineteen

668
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.920
ninety eight, Sadie Anne was born, just fourteen months after

669
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:56.440
her brother. After Sadie's birth, Chris scheduled of vasectomy, but

670
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.920
he missed the appointment, and Mary Jane soon found herself

671
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.039
pregnant again. Christian hated not being home every night to

672
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.200
tuck in the children, and he decided to quit his job.

673
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.280
Not sure if that's the best decision.

674
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.039
Right, he began working in fireplace sales. The job paid

675
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.119
significantly less and didn't cover their monthly bills.

676
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.119
Madison Jeanie Longo was born on October nineteenth, nineteen ninety nine,

677
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.800
almost two months early. She required a month long stay

678
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:29.039
in the hospital, which further complicated the Longo's finances. Soon,

679
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:33.639
Mary Jane's car was repossessed while he was selling fireplaces

680
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.800
to contractors. Christian decided to start a business with a

681
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:41.000
friend from his Kingdom Hall, Final Touch Construction Cleaning. Chris

682
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.280
and his crew would clean newly constructed houses before they

683
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.400
went on the market for sale. They did general cleaning,

684
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.280
but also cleaned the carpets and windows. It was a

685
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:51.639
great idea for a business.

686
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:52.519
It really is.

687
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.159
It is. Yeah. Soon there was more business than Chris

688
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:58.800
and his partner could handle, and they hired more teams.

689
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.239
Chris he acted that he could potentially make one million

690
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.559
dollars a year, but the problem was the contractors were

691
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.400
slow to pay their bills and Chris was soon over

692
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.360
his head paying his employees and purchasing supplies. When his

693
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.960
Dodge dur Ango needed a new engine, he didn't have

694
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:15.960
the money to fix it.

695
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.320
That must have been so frustrating because he has this

696
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.880
business that's thriving. He has more business than he can

697
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.559
take on. It's a ton of employees, but he's not

698
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.960
getting paid. Yeah, and he still has to pay his employees.

699
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.239
He's too young to get, you know, loans to help

700
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.800
him out, so it's a really difficult situation.

701
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.119
One of the few things I remember from business school

702
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.440
cash is king. So you can have all of the

703
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.639
business you want, but if you're not getting the cash flow,

704
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:45.559
you're going to be struggling.

705
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:50.199
And I think construction businesses are known to be laid

706
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.119
on their bill or not laid on their bills, but

707
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.000
just you know, they pay them in their own time,

708
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.840
right well, because they don't get paid until like the

709
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:57.880
houses get closed on.

710
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.320
Yeah, there's like this whole supply chain that all to

711
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.000
kind of trickle down right to the last person. Broke

712
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.840
and desperate. In February two thousand, Chris came up with

713
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.519
a plan. He picked a random name out of the

714
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:14.320
phone book, Jason Joseph Fortner, and forged a Michigan driver's license.

715
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:18.360
It was a fairly good forgery. He drove to Toledo, Ohio,

716
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.239
to a car dealership. He asked to take the vehicle

717
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.760
for a test drive. He only needed to give them

718
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:27.280
a copy of his license. He handed over the forged license.

719
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.599
When the salesperson climbed into the vehicle with him, he

720
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:34.039
panicked and said he was no longer interested. But by

721
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.599
the time he arrived at the third dealership, his nerves

722
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.920
had calmed and he was allowed to take a van

723
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.199
out to test drive on his own. He never returned

724
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:46.239
the van, a maroon Pontiac Montana, valued at thirty four

725
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:50.360
thousand dollars. Longo rationalized to himself that as soon as

726
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.559
his business was in the black, he would pay for

727
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.679
the vehicle. But unfortunately that day never came.

728
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.320
So he's probably, I don't know, twenty two to twenty

729
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.559
three at this point, and they'd let him take the

730
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.599
van out on his own. Yeah, that was crazy. That

731
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.800
is a little bit crazy, and we asked to do that.

732
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.320
They look at us like, you know, we're crazy to

733
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:11.320
be really aggressive.

734
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.719
Yeah. Business continued to grow and the money became steadier,

735
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:18.960
but instead of paying his debts, Chris bought a boat

736
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:20.199
and two jet skis.

737
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:21.400
Are you okay?

738
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.159
No, I'm a little stressed. Final Touch now had over

739
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.280
three dozen employees, but Kristin was working eighteen hours a day.

740
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.159
Joy and Joe Longo had moved to Indiana. They were

741
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:36.679
proud of Chris and invested eighty thousand dollars in his business.

742
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.760
They helped him open an Indiana branch of the company,

743
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.360
but the business was always underwater and builders were always

744
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:47.400
late paying their bills. Payroll was fifteen thousand dollars every

745
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.199
other Friday. Many of Chris's employees were Kingdom Hall friends

746
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.519
or family members, and he couldn't stiff them. He was

747
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.519
too proud to be honest with them. He was desperate

748
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:58.800
to save his business.

749
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.199
Why did you buy boat in two jet skis?

750
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.000
Then? Yeah, maybe not the best decision making, Chris.

751
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.760
I think that the boat and the jet skis were stolen.

752
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.400
I think it was a shady He didn't steal them,

753
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.719
but whoever he bought them from, it was a shady dealing.

754
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.880
Oh okay. Working the long days was affecting every aspect

755
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:24.119
of Chris's life. He was stressed and exhausted. At some point,

756
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.920
his business partnership had dissolved and he was running the

757
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:31.440
business by himself. He decided to hire an assistant, Jessica Meadows,

758
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.599
who was also a Jehovah's witness. She and her husband,

759
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.400
Seebert lived in the same neighborhood as the Long Gooes.

760
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.480
Siebert also worked for Christian. Jessica and Chris soon confided

761
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.920
in each other that neither was happy in their marriage.

762
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.000
They realized that they were falling in love. Christian loved

763
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.239
Jessica's outgoing personality. It was a better match for his

764
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.599
he thought after seven years of marriage, he had tired

765
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.000
of Mary Jane's quiet, submissive demeanor.

766
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.280
We haven't talked about Mary j a lot, but she

767
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.840
really did. Despite their age difference, she really did take

768
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.760
a backseat to Chris, and she let him make all

769
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.199
of the decisions about the business and their finances. And

770
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.400
I get the impression that she had no idea what

771
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.519
their true financial picture looked like. Okay, I think he

772
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:23.239
really did love her initially, but she kind of depended

773
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.679
on him for everything and their social life, like she

774
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.719
would kind of power behind him in social situations.

775
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.960
Okay, So you think he didn't like that.

776
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.800
No, I think it started to wear on him because

777
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.960
he was very outgoing, and I think he liked this

778
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.159
new woman because you know, she was more outgoing in

779
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:43.639
front of gotcha.

780
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.679
One day, Mary Jane found the following email on Chris's computer.

781
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.960
No other woman shall ever hold the place in my

782
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.960
affection the way you have. You have changed my life.

783
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.719
It had no real meaning, no lasting laughter, and no joy.

784
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.960
It has come back. I love you and am deeply

785
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.960
in love with you and always will be.

786
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:06.840
I would be so devastated to find something like that

787
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:07.719
on your computer.

788
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.719
Yeah, I think most spouses would be right. Mary Jane

789
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:15.039
was furious and decided to blow up Chris's affair. He

790
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.119
insisted that their relationship had not become physical, but that

791
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:23.000
was irrelevant to Mary Jane. She called Jessica's husband, Chris's parents,

792
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.760
and several church elders. Christian was contrite and begged for forgiveness.

793
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.440
He told Mary Jane he would change. She forgave him,

794
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.639
blaming herself for the affair. He had told her he

795
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.679
hadn't felt the same about her once she started having children,

796
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.519
and he was jealous that she had less time for him.

797
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.199
Contractors owed Final Touch over one hundred thousand dollars, but

798
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.360
the real estate market had slowed down and Chris wasn't

799
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:52.119
being paid. When payroll checks bounced, Christian felt a deep

800
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.519
sense of dread and helplessness. He sat at his computer

801
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.639
and tried to think of a solution. Quick Books was open,

802
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.320
and he came up with an idea he could forge

803
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:03.400
checks from one of the big builders, who owed him

804
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:07.599
a substantial amount of money. He created several forged checks

805
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:11.599
totaling over seventeen thousand dollars. He nervously took them to

806
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:14.280
the bank The next day when they were put into

807
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.519
his account with no questions asked, Christian Longo felt a

808
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.599
deep sense of relief. He had been able to meet payroll.

809
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.719
He was owed that money, he rationalized two weeks later,

810
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.639
feeling emboldened after he hadn't been caught the first time,

811
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:28.599
he tried it again.

812
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:30.519
Can you believe that?

813
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:31.800
No? I can't.

814
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.519
Like he took there, he made literal checks, he took

815
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:36.880
their account numbers, and.

816
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.280
Yeah, this is just continuing to stress me out. With

817
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:44.119
the solution to his payroll problems temporarily behind him, Chris

818
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.760
and Mary Jane decided to take a week long vacation.

819
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.119
Before returning home, he stopped at the bank to cash

820
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.960
another set of counterfeit checks. This time, the teller paused

821
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.199
and said they would be right back. Chris realized he

822
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.719
was in trouble. He left the bank in a hurry,

823
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.480
but when the Longos returned home, a state trooper was

824
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.679
there to arrest him. In total, Longo wrote seven fraudulent checks.

825
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.880
For each infraction, he faced a fourteen year sentence. Mary

826
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.960
Jane hadn't been aware of any of Chris's illegal activities.

827
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:18.599
At this point, she was tired and beaten down. She

828
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.360
agreed that they should keep the matter private or risk

829
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.599
being kicked out of their Kingdom Hall. They sold some

830
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.400
things and laid off most of their employees. In September

831
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.480
two thousand, Christian pleaded guilty to four counts of fraud.

832
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:35.000
He received three years of probation and eighty hours of

833
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:38.400
community service. He also had to repay the builder thirty

834
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:39.239
thousand dollars.

835
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:40.920
What do you think of that sentence.

836
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.039
I think it's a pretty light sentence, super light repaying

837
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.800
the builder kind of like the builder owed him the money.

838
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.199
So I have a little bit of an issue with

839
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:50.519
him having to repay the building.

840
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.360
And I don't know the particulars. Maybe the builder still

841
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.480
owed him that money, but he had to pay back.

842
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:56.360
Yeah, yeah, I get it.

843
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.480
So you're saying it's okay to forge checks.

844
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.159
Someone os money money. I do understand how.

845
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:07.519
Why you would. Yeah, absolutely, but you should you should Yeah, no,

846
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:08.360
you should not do that.

847
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.599
An article appeared in the ann Arbor News about Chris's

848
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:15.400
legal troubles. After his court date, he was disfellowshipped or

849
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.039
kicked out of the Kingdom Hall and was ordered to

850
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.199
have no contact with anyone from the Kingdom Hall. This

851
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.639
was especially hard on Mary Jane, even Joe long Ago.

852
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.440
Chris's father stopped talking to him and demanded repayment of

853
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:32.360
his eighty thousand dollars investment in Final Touch. Oh that's

854
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.840
pretty harsh. Your own dad stops talking to you. The

855
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.519
Longo's financial situation was more dire than ever, with thirty

856
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.880
thousand dollars in credit card debt, one thousand dollars a

857
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:47.239
month in court ordered restitution, a sixteen thousand dollars underwater

858
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:51.679
car lease, twelve thousand dollars in back wages to former employees,

859
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:56.480
a mortgage, et cetera, not to mention three small, fast

860
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:57.960
growing children to take care of.

861
00:43:58.239 --> 00:43:58.920
How are you doing?

862
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.320
I was just attle, I'm okay, I'm hanging in there.

863
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:06.639
Chris started delivering newspapers again and worked at Final Touch,

864
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.159
but the business was on its last legs. Chris had

865
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:14.639
let his workers compensation insurance lapse after an employee fell

866
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:18.000
while cleaning windows and broke both of his ankles. Final

867
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:22.920
Touch was finished. Chris had promised Mary Jane after his

868
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.599
conviction that he was on the right path and wouldn't

869
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:29.400
participate in any more illegal activity, but he forged a

870
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:33.119
credit card in his father's name. When the credit card arrived,

871
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.360
he bought scuba gear and took classes to become certified,

872
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.360
and Mary Jane got lasik surgery. A new credit card

873
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.599
was soon maxed out too. On top of other debts

874
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.880
and lawsuits, the Longos decided they needed to leave Ipseilani.

875
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.960
Their reputations were ruined and even most family members wanted

876
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.079
nothing to do with them. Chris was still on parole,

877
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.159
so they decided to move to Toledo, Ohio, which was less

878
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.760
than an hour away. Their house was nearly were closed down,

879
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:02.719
but they were able to sell it and walked away

880
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.800
with about eight thousand dollars in cash, much less than

881
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.440
they had hoped for. They rented a warehouse in Toledo

882
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.519
for sixteen hundred and fifty dollars a month. It was

883
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.760
not zoned for occupancy. There was no indoor plumbing or

884
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.679
working kitchen, but Chris thought he could make the warehouse livable.

885
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:25.920
Surely Chris could have found a cheaper place to live

886
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:28.840
than one thousand, six hundred and fifty dollars a month,

887
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.760
and not in a warehouse that didn't have indoor plumbing.

888
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:35.800
Yeah, that's pretty bizarre, and don't call me shirty.

889
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:41.000
By the way, Ah, that part drives me nuts because

890
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.239
I know Rent twenty years ago, they definitely could have

891
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:45.920
found something under one thousand dollars.

892
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.320
Yeah, it's really bizarre Christian. He just makes one bad

893
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:51.639
decision after another after another after another.

894
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:52.639
Yeah.

895
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:55.199
While Chris worked on the warehouse to try to make

896
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.719
it livable, the family moved into a motel. He had

897
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:01.199
another expense. They were again nearly out of money, and

898
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.920
Chris had no job. He turned once again to counterfeiting checks.

899
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.280
He cashed five checks for nine thousand dollars. Mary Jane's

900
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.719
sisters were worried about her. They had heard that she

901
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.480
was living in Toledo. They took to driving up and

902
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.679
down the streets until they saw the Longos van. They

903
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.639
chatted briefly and were very concerned about Mary Jane's frazzled state.

904
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.199
When they returned three weeks later, the Longos were gone

905
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.920
and Mary Jane's cell phone was no longer in service.

906
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.360
Mary Jane's family contacted the police. Her sisters filed a

907
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.480
missing person's report, but police weren't very helpful. When they

908
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:39.039
entered the warehouse where the Longos had been living, it

909
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:43.119
was a disaster, food, clothing, broken toys and other belongings

910
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.320
were strewn about. It appeared that the Longos had left

911
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.880
in a hurry, and no one knew where to look.

912
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.480
A few weeks later, Mary Jane sent her sister's letters

913
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.679
and apologized for not telling them that she had moved.

914
00:46:56.519 --> 00:47:00.280
She gave no new address. Mary Jane's sister's hand the

915
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.039
letters over to the police, thinking that they would be

916
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.599
interested in them. The police thanked them and remove the

917
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.199
Longos from the missing person's database.

918
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.800
I mean, technically they're not missing, right. They left on

919
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:13.960
their own accord, so.

920
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:15.840
I think that's what the police said, right.

921
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:17.400
But it seems like they might have been wanted for

922
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.400
some other things too, like counterfeiting. Check said, you know,

923
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.679
crimes that they might have wanted to talk to them about.

924
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.960
Absolutely. As they slowly made their way towards the West coast,

925
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.519
the Longos pond as much as they could along the way,

926
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:35.079
including Mary Jane's wedding rings. They stayed in cheap motels

927
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:39.440
or camped. They ate fast food or cheap canned food.

928
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.000
Chris left the family dog at a farm. He told

929
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.480
the kids the dog needed an adventure too.

930
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:47.960
A lot of times people tell their kids their dog

931
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:49.960
went to live on a farm when the dog died.

932
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.800
But in this case, do you think he actually literally

933
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.280
left the dog at a farm.

934
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.320
I mean, he was a monster, so who knows, But

935
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:02.639
let's just we'll just go that. Eventually, they made it

936
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:05.519
to the Oregon Coast and at first stayed at a

937
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.159
crummy motel, but Chris was tired of life on the

938
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:11.840
run and he rented a luxury condo they couldn't afford,

939
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.760
with views of the ocean and Walldport, about fifteen miles

940
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.360
south of Newport. The only job that Chris could find

941
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.239
was at a Starbucks as a part time employee, making

942
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.280
seven dollars and fifteen cents an hour. He thought the

943
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:27.760
job was beneath him and it wasn't nearly enough to

944
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.199
support his family of five. He had lied to the

945
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.679
building manager that he had some money coming in and

946
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.800
he would be able to pay the rent soon, but

947
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.400
it was another lie. Chris was running out of options

948
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.119
and knew that he had let his family down. But

949
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.159
they had a few weeks of comfort in the condo

950
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:48.119
and the kids enjoyed exploring the coast. And I would

951
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:51.119
like to think that the last weeks of Mary Jane

952
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:55.760
Zach Sadie and Madison's lives were happy, hope. So that

953
00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:00.119
is the perfect place to end Part one. Oh okay,

954
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:00.920
sorry everyone.

955
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.480
It's an interesting story so far, and this is.

956
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:08.920
One of the most compelling stories I've ever read, partially

957
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.280
because of the book that I read. The book is

958
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:16.639
called True Story Murder Memoir Mia Kolpa by Michael Finkel.

959
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:21.480
In part two, we will get very in depth into

960
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:25.920
Michael Finkle's life. He plays a very important part in

961
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:29.079
this story. Yeah, and you remember.

962
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.480
You actually read read the book years ago.

963
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.480
Years ago. I was surprised because I was trying to

964
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.639
find a book on the case and I looked on

965
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.400
Goodreads where we were both on Goodreads, and I thought

966
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:40.280
that you read the book and I was like, holy cow,

967
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:43.280
you read it in twenty fifteen. And then I started

968
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.679
the book and this story sounds so familiar to me.

969
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.800
And then I don't know if I read the book before.

970
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.719
I'm sure I probably told you about it.

971
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.599
But I felt like I read it before, Like just

972
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:57.639
the author's his passages just seem so familiar to me.

973
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.760
It's a fabulous book. Yeah, and I can't wait to

974
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.880
tell you guys about Part two because it's just mind boggling.

975
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:05.559
I can't wait to hear it, because I did read

976
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.599
the book many years ago. But honestly, I have so

977
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.960
I have such a bad memory that I don't remember

978
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:10.480
a lot.

979
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.079
I think a lot of it will come back to you.

980
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.679
But then there's the movie too, which again we will

981
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.599
get to that in part two. But what do you

982
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:18.400
think so far?

983
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.119
Well, it's just such a horrible and sad story and

984
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:26.039
Christian just made one bad decision after another after another,

985
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:31.239
and obviously it leads to you know, unthinkable horrific events

986
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.760
of what he did. And it's just so just so

987
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.119
sad that he couldn't figure out a way just to

988
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:38.960
step back and like, you know, get out of this

989
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:40.320
cycle of bad decisions.

990
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:43.760
If you see a picture of Chris Longo, he looks

991
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.760
like a frat boy. He just looks like, you know,

992
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.239
he's you know, probably better than average looking guy. He

993
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:53.159
just always looks clean cut and it looks like a

994
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.039
nice guy, like the guy next door. Yeah, but he

995
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.679
is a true sociopath, and it begs the question, is

996
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.519
just so with you sociopath born or bread.

997
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:04.760
Well, I do not know the answer to that. You

998
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.119
I look to you to answer those kind of questions

999
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.480
because of your psychology background.

1000
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.000
But don't do that.

1001
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.280
I don't know. I mean, I don't see anything in

1002
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:18.760
his upbringing that from what you've what we've talked about.

1003
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.159
I thought I thought about this last night because he

1004
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:23.440
admittedly is like I had a good childhood and my

1005
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.360
dad loved me, my mom loved me. You know, trips,

1006
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:31.159
we had enough money. But remember his his birth father

1007
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.719
did was abusive and an alcoholic, so that his you know,

1008
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.199
his genetic code is that guy.

1009
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.679
Right, But also he did suffer some abuse in his

1010
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:41.760
early years as well.

1011
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.719
And you know, I think your personality is set by

1012
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.079
the time you're three, as hard as that is to

1013
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:49.639
believe it. If you know, he saw some things and

1014
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.519
suffered abuse on it his his own experience, that might

1015
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:55.599
explain some things.

1016
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:56.559
Yeah, I suppose.

1017
00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:56.679
So.

1018
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:01.840
Now, Mary Jane was older, obviously seven years older than Christian,

1019
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:04.400
and then I don't know for sure, but presumably she

1020
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.920
was maybe more mature than him.

1021
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.719
And maybe she wasn't though. Yeah, I guess we never

1022
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.400
want to say anything bad about the victim because she

1023
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.719
was a lovely, lovely lady and a wonderful mother, and

1024
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.079
she tried her best to be a good wife. Christian

1025
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.880
could not have been an easy person to be married too.

1026
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.039
But it is surprising that she was seven years his

1027
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:29.920
senior that she never said, like, hey, what's the balance

1028
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.320
on her checking account? Yeah?

1029
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.440
Yeah, And part of that, I'm sure is from her

1030
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.800
upbringing in Jehovah's Witness religion, where I know, you know,

1031
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.559
women are subservient to their husbands and they look to

1032
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.320
their husbands to make the decisions in the family. So

1033
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.159
I guess that was just the way she was brought up, and.

1034
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.719
Someone would prefer that. Some women don't want to be

1035
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.440
involved in the you know, financial decisions, and every marriage

1036
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.119
is different, and that's fine if that works for you.

1037
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:58.599
Yeah, I don't want to be involved in the financial

1038
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.000
decisions in our mayor. That's why I let you take

1039
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.239
care of I thought you were taking care of that.

1040
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:09.079
I mean, we're very fortunate that, you know, we're older.

1041
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.000
We have been through some thin times for sure.

1042
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:13.800
Right, we're a pretty good team.

1043
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.920
Though, as long as you don't ask how much my

1044
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:17.679
shoes cost?

1045
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:23.119
Were I never knew? I guess one question for you.

1046
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.559
We talked about it a little bit earlier, but were

1047
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:27.559
the police looking for them at all? I know they

1048
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.800
weren't considered missing persons at that point because they knew

1049
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.360
that they were voluntarily had left. But Christian had done

1050
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.559
some shady things that I would guess he was wanted for.

1051
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.039
But maybe they were when he broke his parole parol

1052
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:45.679
counterfeited checks, but maybe those were not major enough offenses

1053
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.920
that the police weren't, like, didn't have an all points

1054
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:51.079
bulletin out or anything like that looking for him.

1055
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.199
Yeah, exactly, I think you're right. I don't know for sure,

1056
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:55.599
but yeah, those aren't.

1057
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.639
He was probably on a list somewhere like okay, if

1058
00:53:58.800 --> 00:53:59.480
if you see this.

1059
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:02.639
Guy, there's a warrant for his arrest or whatever.

1060
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.519
But but they weren't actively out hunting for him exactly.

1061
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.440
It's like if if you were in I did something

1062
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.960
like you know, we passed even just passing a bad

1063
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:14.039
check that you knew you didn't have money to cover,

1064
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.920
the anxiety that that would give either one of us

1065
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:22.880
would be through the roof, right, we just wouldn't do that.

1066
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.320
And just the amount of I mean, he wasn't just

1067
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:29.559
passing bad check. They were account like he made the

1068
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:33.719
checks and he had like this false driver's license and

1069
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:36.000
driving the cars off the lot like that.

1070
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:38.880
He had to know that he couldn't get away with

1071
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.800
those things indefinitely. It was going to catch up to him.

1072
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.000
It's just baffling to me that someone that young had

1073
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:48.320
that sense of just entitlement. And I mean, I guess

1074
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:52.320
it's narcissism, classic narcissism, right, like thinking that these things

1075
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.159
are owed to you and that the law, if it

1076
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.920
catches up to you'll be able to just talk. Because

1077
00:54:59.920 --> 00:55:02.079
he we did quite a bit like his, you know,

1078
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:07.920
previous legal issues. He got off pretty easy, right, and

1079
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.360
we didn't have to do any jail time. And yeah,

1080
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:13.119
that was a lot of money, that's true. Anyway, I

1081
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:14.760
can't wait to tell you about part two.

1082
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:15.760
I can't wait to hear it.

1083
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:17.880
And if you can't wait to listen to part two,

1084
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:21.000
join us on patreon dot com. Slash love Mary kil

1085
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.760
We talked last time about our vacation to Mane, specifically

1086
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:33.639
my vacation and the kids vacation.

1087
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:34.639
No.

1088
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.800
I mean I I had a couple of days.

1089
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:37.800
You had a couple of days.

1090
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.480
It wasn't the best, but the days that I had

1091
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:42.599
were great and the Airbnb, you know, even though I

1092
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:46.119
didn't feel good, it was a really nice well, Jocelyn,

1093
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:51.119
our very kind host, offered our listeners at discount. So

1094
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.639
if you want to know more about the airbnb, if

1095
00:55:54.679 --> 00:56:00.320
anyone is going to Mane, specifically to Akadia, let me

1096
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.599
know and I can hook you up with Jocelyn.

1097
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.840
Well, that's pretty cool. It's a really nice place. Definitely recommended.

1098
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:11.599
Yeah, I absolutely recommend it too. And dear listeners, I'm picky.

1099
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:13.159
You are pretty choosy.

1100
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:16.360
I am pretty picky. And it was super clean and lovely,

1101
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:17.800
and we got to play ping pong.

1102
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.119
Oh, and they had little basketball basketball.

1103
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:21.760
I know, I'm kind of bommed that I didn't get

1104
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:22.800
to play the basketball.

1105
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.599
Yeah. I learned that our son is like a he's

1106
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:27.519
like a savant when it comes to those you know,

1107
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.039
basketball like I don't know what they're called. It's just

1108
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:33.239
like that little basketball net that you just keep shooting

1109
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:35.320
and shooting and accounts how many baskets you made.

1110
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:37.800
Yeah, you guys had a good I mean that was fun.

1111
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.639
And then there's a cute little like video game thing anyway.

1112
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.119
And they had kayaks there we went. You can go

1113
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:44.760
kayaking right from basically the backyard.

1114
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.639
It sounds like we're getting paid, but we're we're not,

1115
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.920
although maybe we'll go back someday. I don't know.

1116
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:51.639
I would love to.

1117
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:55.800
Okay, we're gonna ship topics really quick. But today is

1118
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.840
a very special day. I am shocked, shocked, Richard when

1119
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:07.679
I tell you that, you know it's not her birthday?

1120
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:08.880
What are you wearing?

1121
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:10.880
Uh? Oh?

1122
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:12.199
What is today?

1123
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.480
Oh my god? I am so lat I can't believe

1124
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.880
I have done this. Today is the first Michigan football game,

1125
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.920
and I completely forgot about it.

1126
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:23.239
You're wearing something.

1127
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:24.960
I'm not wearing a T shirt.

1128
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:26.360
I mean it's blue, but it's not.

1129
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:30.400
Yeah, I would have I would have forgotten to watch

1130
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:31.039
it tonight.

1131
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:33.000
You would not have forgotten to watch it.

1132
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:35.480
I totally would have forgotten.

1133
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:37.800
I would would have reminded you.

1134
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.159
Yeah, pretty good, like I appreciate.

1135
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:44.599
So. I mean it's a night game, which you know,

1136
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:49.880
it's really really quick. Uh So, what's his name? The guy?

1137
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.920
The guy? We have a pillow up left Michigan because

1138
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.440
Michigan had a perfect season.

1139
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.679
Yeah, might as well leave while I'm on top I mean.

1140
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:03.400
I guess. So you have no idea what to expect?

1141
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:05.719
Do you want to just really quickly give you your predictions?

1142
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:08.360
So then you can play this back in three months.

1143
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:11.599
I predict that Michigan will win every game this season.

1144
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:13.280
They're ranked number nine.

1145
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:15.159
Number nine is not bad, not.

1146
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.480
Badat to start, But you.

1147
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:18.800
Know, I have no idea.

1148
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:22.159
Really, I think it's probably going to be maybe they'll

1149
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.760
win three quarters of their games. Really, some of their

1150
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:25.320
games are.

1151
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.119
Really going to win all their games. You know, they're

1152
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:30.679
going to beat Ohio State, they're going to beat Michigan State,

1153
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.280
they're going to beat Penn State. But in reality, I

1154
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:34.800
have no idea how they're going to do. I'm just

1155
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:36.719
assuming they're going to do well, and I'm looking forward

1156
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:38.199
to opening day.

1157
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:40.760
I didn't ask you what season you wanted. I'd asked

1158
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:41.639
you what season you thought.

1159
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:42.239
What happened?

1160
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.679
But the coach, the new coach is the previous defensive coordinator,

1161
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:52.039
offensive coordinator, I believe, but close. Why am I laughing?

1162
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:56.480
I have no idea why you're laughing. I this stuff

1163
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.760
the top of my head because I am such an

1164
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.679
expert all thinks fishy and football.

1165
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.079
Do you think Chris Longo is a Michigan fan?

1166
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.519
Oh? I hope not. We don't want him, No, we

1167
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:07.039
sure don't.

1168
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:10.079
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1169
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.199
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1170
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.880
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1171
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:21.639
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1172
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:23.559
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1174
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.159
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1175
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.760
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1176
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:35.159
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1177
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1178
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:41.880
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1179
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:43.320
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1180
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.239
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1181
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:46.840
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1182
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.400
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1186
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