Mica and John-Paul Miller

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Hi. I am Rich and I'm
Tina. And if there's one thing we've

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learned in over twenty years of marriage, some days you'll feel like killing your

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husband and some days you'll feel like
killing your wife. Welcome to a bonus

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episode of Love Mary Kill Eightina.
Hey, Rich, how are you.

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I'm fabulous? How are you?
I'm doing good. It's been a week

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here at the Love Mary Kill Studios
and you have been amazing. Well,

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you and our daughter have been really
not killing. Well, you're pretty sick

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and it's the first time I've been
sick and we haven't been You and I

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have not had COVID, so this
is the first time I've been six six

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since COVID. Yeah, it was
bad. It wasn't great. And you

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know, our kids are both young
adults, but they still they still need

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their mom. So everyone was a
little out of sorts. But I'm feeling

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better. Our good friend Lisa reached
out to us yesterday. She sent me

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a TikTok about this case, and
I sent it to you because I was

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flabbergasted, and you feverishly researched it
and decided to release an episode. Yeah,

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it's an interesting one and it's a
very very recent current events case,

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which we don't normally do. But
I thought it was interesting enough that I

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think you guys are going to be
really interested too. Yeah, because I

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haven't been feeling well. I ordered
groceries and you went to pick them up

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and you saw something in the bag
and you instantly were like what. Always

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you don't realize I have like this
radar when there's like some really good treat

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around, I just know, well, like treats are limited here. I

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mean we you know, our kids
always yell at me because I'm They're like,

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you have too many treats in the
house. You have our sweet listener

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friend Jenna to thank for that.
Jenna, I was probably a month ago,

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said hey, you should get these
for rich Aten. What are they

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exactly? Yeah, they are Reese's
peanut Butter Sandwich cookie. So Reese's peanut

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butter swirl packed between two chocolate wafers. It just looks like it looks like

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a like an ice cream sandwich with
peanut butter ice cream. Thanks Jenna for

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looking out for I know he Yeah, as soon as I saw Jenna's suggested

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that, I was like, yeah, rich loves peanut butter and loves peanut

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butter ice cream. So yeah,
no brainer, All right, let's try

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it. You know, the only
thing that would have made that better would

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be if there was like chocolate sauce
drizzled over it. Well, you could

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easily do that, right, No, it was. It was good.

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Right. I'm surprised that we've never
bought those before. I've never bought them

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for you. I'm surprised too.
And Jenna lives in Australia, so I

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was kind of surprised that we,
you know, have the same snack.

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Yeah. ESA's is everywhere, I
guess, Yeah, but yeah I would,

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I don't. I'm not the biggest
peanut butter I love peanut butter,

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but I don't like peanut but our
ice cream. I thought that was really

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good though, So definitely maybe we
should we should have a rating system.

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We should so should it be from
one to ten? Are we recording this

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right? Yeah? Yeah, one
to ten? Right? So what do

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you read that? Ten out of
ten? Ten out of ten. I'd

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give it eight out of ten,
all right, ebe a night out of

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ten? It was? It was
really good. Okay, on with the

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case. Okay, Well, as
we mentioned at the top of the episode,

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this is a developing story, very
recent. It's about the death of

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a thirty year old woman from South
Carolina named Micah Miller, who was married

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to John Paul Miller, who is
a controversial pastor in Myrtle Beach. Super

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recent. Her body was found on
April twenty seventh, twenty twenty four,

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just a week ago, and her
funeral is actually today. Because of how

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recent this is, I want to
make sure I give a strong disclaimer before

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we get into it, because there's
been there's a lot of TikTok videos,

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a lot of YouTube videos, and
there's a lot of speculation and rumor out

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there. We're going to try our
best to stick to known facts, which

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are honestly a little sparse at the
moment. I will get into some of

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the online rumors and speculation, but
I want to try to stick to information

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that is at least reputable or plausible, and try to be clear on what

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we know versus what speculation, because
a lot of people are really feeding into

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a lot of theories that have no
basis right now in reality, and we

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just don't know what happened. So
hopefully the full story will come out over

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time and we'll provide an update but
for today we'll share what we know and

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also just a warning before we get
into it that this case we'll talk about

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suicide, so listen with care.
So part of the reason this story has

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generated so much buzz is because of
the way the news broke about Micah's death.

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On Sunday, April twenty eighth,
Pastor John Paul or JP as he's

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also called Miller, gave a sermon
as usual at his hard Rock church in

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Myrtle Beach. At the end of
the sermon, he shared the news to

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his congregation. Here's a clip that
I'm going to play of just about the

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last minute or so of his sermon, followed by his announcement regarding his wife

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Micah, and your relative says God, this is amazing. Why would you

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do this for me? And God
says, I love you, But I

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didn't do this for you. You
see, three hundred years ago, you're

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great great great great great great great
great great great great great great great grandparents.

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We're listening to this tall, charming, humble pastor, and he told

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them that they'll give their life to
Christ, that God won't just take care

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of them, They'll take care of
the wanted to come after him and so

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I love you, but I didn't
heal you for your sake. I did

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it because a promise I made to
them three hundred years ago. That's what

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I want you to leave here with
Kay's amen. We're not gonna do an

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alter call today. Instead, instead, i'm gonna have you stand up and

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I'm gonna make an announcement. And
after the announcement, I'm gonna ask that

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you you leave church quietly and and
don't talk about the announcement here in the

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building. Please, if you can't
seey'all can stand your feet before I make

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the announcement. I also want to
say that my request to you is that

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you will continue to come to church
and serve and give for the next you

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know a little bit, because I
don't want to have I'm taking a little

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bit of a break and I don't
want to have to worry about the church

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my break. Maybe a few days, a few weeks, I don't know.

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I got a call late last night. My wife has passed away.

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And yeah, and it was it
was self induced and it was up in

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North Carolina. And we're gonna have
a funeral for her next Sunday here at

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three p m. And so it's
all I can. Yeah, I'm just

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kind of going on adrenaline right now. So y'all pray for me and my

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kids and everybody. And she was
she wasn't y'all knew that she wasn't well

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mentally, and then she needed medicine
that was hard to get to her.

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And so I'm sure there'll be more
details to come, but just keep our

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family in your prayers. And I'm
gonna let Pastor Randall a bishop, Oh

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he can pray. I get a
microphone and'll pray out. And if you

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have anything you want to share as
well, I appreciate it, come on,

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lids pray. So we need to
talk about this clip. First of

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all, I played the last minute
of the sermon, which sounded a little

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out of place because I thought it
was just that it was just such a

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bizarre situation. He went through his
complete normal sermon. You heard there were

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some laughs there at the end of
the sermon, and then all of a

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sudden, Oh, I got this
call late last night that my wife died.

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I mean, it's just bizarre,
head spinning. I mean, mouths

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were a gape and one of the
things that bothers me most about it when

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he's like, stand up, you're
gonna get out of here. Don't talk

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about it. Don't talk about it. If your church is telling you not

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to talk about something or who to
vote for or what to think, that's

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a huge red flag. Yeah.
Well, and also telling everyone first of

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all, telling everyone it was quote
self induced, and talking about how,

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oh you know she had mental health
problems. Everyone knows. Yeah, like

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that is really something you should be
talking about in front of your congregation.

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I mean, it hasn't even been
twenty four hours since you've known. I

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mean, it's probably not even been
twelve hours since allegedly he found out,

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and he's already just gaslighting. And
it's super disturbing. Yeah, incredibly bizarre.

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So, while he said that Micah
died by suicide, it's important to

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note that the police and the medical
examiner have not made that determination. The

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case is under investigation, and no
manner of death has been determined at this

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point. The cause of death we
know to be a gunshot wound, but

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we don't have any details beyond that
it was a single gunshot wound. Right.

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There have been rumors online that there
were multiple gunshots. There were rumors

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that it was a wound to the
back of the head. But those are

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purely rumors. I have not heard
any verification beyond it was a gunshot wound.

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Okay, So the rumors could some
of the rumors could be true.

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Possible. Yeah, we also know
that her body was found in Lumberton,

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North Carolina, which is about an
hour and a half from Myrtle Beach.

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In She was found in the lumber
River State Park. Let's talk a little

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bit about John Paul Miller's background and
Micah's background. I don't have a ton

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of information, but just kind of
a brief overview. So John Paul Miller

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came from a religious family. His
dad reginald Wayne Miller, not to be

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confused with the reginald Wayne Miller who
played basketball for the Indiana Pacers. Well,

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I did a little research about the
dad and I did come across that

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a little bit. Yeah, it
was funny, the same name. He's

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a piece of work. Yeah,
he was the founder of a Bible college.

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We'll talk more about him later because
he's definitely an interesting character in this.

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John Paul spent his teenage years playing
piano in churches as well as nightclubs,

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but according to his website, bio. He thought quote church was for

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fake people who were one way in
public and another way behind closed doors unquote.

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But then one day in his mid
twenties, he gave his life to

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Jesus Christ. John Paul started his
first church, Solid Rock Ministries, in

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two thousand and six. Micah Francis, originally from Wichita, Kansas, started

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attending the church when she was just
fourteen or fifteen. John Paul was around

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thirty. He was married with five
kids, and we've read that Micah used

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to babysit for him. At some
point. We believe that Micah got married

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to someone else, and I was
not able to find any information about that

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marriage, but she and John Paul
at some point started a romantic relationship while

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they were each married to other people. In an interview that John Paul did

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with The Christian Post after Micah's death, he said that his relationship with Micah

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began with adultery. He said they
were both married and cheated on their spouses,

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and many people left his church because
of that, forcing them to start

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over, and that's so he started
a new church. He and Micah got

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married in twenty seventeen, when she
was twenty four. I saw some rumors

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that he had groomed her from a
young teenager. I've seen those rumors as

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well, because she joined the church
when she was fourteen or fifteen, and

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he was obviously much older. I
think a lot of people are speculating about

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that. I have not seen anything
that validates that, so I don't want

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to know say that without knowing for
sure. Micah was very involved in the

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church. She led the women's ministry
and the worship team at one of the

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locations of the Solid Rock Church.
I said in the intro that John Paul

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Miller was a controversial pastor. One
of the reasons he's considered controversial is because

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of the affair with Micah while he
was married, but also he's made a

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lot of comments during his sermons that
are misogynistic at best. Here's a short

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montage that was put together by a
TikTok user named Kelsey Campbell of a few

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recent comments that he's made in his
sermons. The right words are not you

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hurt me. You hurt me,
you hurt me. That's not the right

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words, like be more mature than
that he feats. I think this verst

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is for the ladies because I've never
had a man come to me and say,

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you know so and so hurt my
feelings. I just need to tell

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you all about it. No one's
ever no man's ever done that. You

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canna tell you everything you did.
No man's ever done that. Men we

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either just don't talk about it,
or we punch you in the face and

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then we're friends afterwards. Last year, you and my wife they went to

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Africa, had a wonderful trip,
amazing trip, and she came back with

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the idea to start a school in
Africa. And six weeks ago, as

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it goes to the hospital, gets
out and just leaves, just completely leaves

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me, leaves everything, drains the
bank account and goes. I guess what,

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while you're talking bad about me out
there, I'm building a school in

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Africa for over one hundred kids to
be able to be fed. I'm just

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doing that. It's always about what
I'm preaching about. God is so good

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to do that every single time.
One day I preached about getting rich,

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strong, healthy, and finding a
hot wife that loves Jesus. That's what

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I'm gonna do. Weird, it's
a really weird idea that most a lot

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of women have. It's so weird
that women have this Christian women think where

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I need somebody to talk to about
these people that hurt me. I need

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somebody to talk to. Oh,
you just want to talk about somebody else.

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That's a that's a demon. Actually
right there. When my wife went

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in the hospital, you know,
I looked at her phone and I counted

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over the past two years eighteen people
who had text her and said, if

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you ever want to talk about your
husband, you can talk to me and

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say anything, and I'll keep it
confidentially. If you well, if you

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could go back in time and you
would have said this, or if I

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see them again, I'm gonna say
that. And it starts fixter. He

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gets bigger and bigger. By the
time you're done, you want to shoot

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them with a bazooka. Right,
And all I said was are those does

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you? Does you intentionally wear those
shoes with that dress? All? Right?

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Get rid of you know. There's
no words. I mean I've heard.

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I think that's the clip that Lisa
sent me. Yeah, and I

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why would anyone sit in his church
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a good question. There should be
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complain about his marriage. Right,
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he's just gaslighting her. And yeah, I really want to thank that the

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TikTok user Kelsey who put that together, because I a lot of his sermons

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are online and I started listening to
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was it was hard to get through. So I really appreciate this person actually

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going through and finding these clips because
it really paints a picture that is not

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probably not too yeah, not too
positive. So he wants his wife to

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not say anything about their marriage to
anyone. Yeah, and going through her

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phone, she's she's in the hospital, which there are there have been rumors

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about whether he had her committed,
whether you know, she went into the

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hospital on her own, but anyway, either way, he's looking at her

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phone while she's in the hospital,
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You know. Not cool. Oh, I incredibly disturbing. So there

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are a number of things leading up
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be suspicious of John Paul's suicide claims. First, Micah filed for divorce from

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JP in October of twenty twenty three. She later withdrew the filing in February.

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On April fifteenth, though less than
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filed for divorce again and also sought
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it sounds like they might have had
a brief reconciliation during that period between October

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and February at some point. So
again, she filed for divorce just two

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weeks before her death again, and
I've also read that the divorce papers were

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actually served to Paul just two days
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is the most dangerous time for when
and when they're trying to leave their abuser

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and move forward with their lives.
It's been the abuser is most likely to

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fight back and do anything to keep
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sad, it is. In the
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made some Facebook posts that hinted at
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In one from March eighteenth, she
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but she didn't get into specifics.
But I want to play a short clip

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from that video. Hey everybody,
I just want to let you know that

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I'm alive and well, and I've
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months, years, But I've kind
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small for the past couple of weeks
just because I'm going through a lot and

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it's hard and it's my cross to
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put in my life to deal with, and I don't want to bring a

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lot of people into it. I'm
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and the friends that God has put
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at this time. A few days
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posted another video talking about abuse.
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her own situation, but here's a
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heart's a little heavy. I've had
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to me about situations of abuse,
and I just want to tell you what

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a lot of people have told me
lately and reminded me because I think I

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forgot, I knew, but I've
for I pushed it in the back of

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my head just because of my situation. But you are the bride of Christ

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before any anybody else's bride. Male
or female, doesn't matter, it doesn't

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matter what gender. You are.
Abuses abuse and you are the bride of

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Christ, and my Bible says that
he took all the abuse you could think

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of for you so that you didn't
have to live that life of slavery and

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bondage and pain. Jesus took it
all for you so you don't have to

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stay in a abusive relationship, whether
that's sexual, whether that's somebody forcing you

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to take illegal drugs, or alcohol
abuse or physical abuse, psychological abuse making

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you think that this is all your
fault, or you're a bad mom,

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or you're a bad why, or
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giving it, you're all when you
know you are. God hates divorce.

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But why? According to everybody I've
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it's because it hurts people. But
does abuse hurt people? How do you

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think God feels about that? So
I want to remind you, like a

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bunch of people have been reminding me
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Heartbreaking to hear those clips, you
can just you know, she's not talking

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about herself directly, but you can
tell that she's obviously speaking from her own

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experience. You can hear the pain
in her voice and her words are so

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true. A lot of women do
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their church before their safety. Yeah, that's got to stop. Yeah,

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for sure. It's interesting to me
the juxtaposition between the way she talks about

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her challenges and the way her husband
talks openly in his you know, in

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front of his congregation about his marriage
and about her, and she's being much

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more subtle about it and much I
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and not for you know, not
sharing some of that. But hard to

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listen to Micah finding her own voice, which those clips that you just played,

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it sounds like that's what she was
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she was thirty. She's figuring things
out, she's finding her voice,

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her own voice, and that probably
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probably did. On April ninth,
in her second to last Facebook post before

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her death, she posted a picture
of herself smiling, along with a somewhat

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cryptic message which said, quote when
terrible, terrible, terrible things happened to

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you dot dot dot and then she
said y'all know what I'm talking about in

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a winkie face, and then something
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So it's a little bit cryptic of
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was from April ninth. We'll be
back after a break. There was also

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a post on March seventeenth from Micah's
sister, Sierra Francis that hinted at Micah's

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situation. Again, it's short on
specifics, but it definitely gives the impression

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that Micah was in an unsafe situation
due to her attempts to separate from JP

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and the church. I'm going to
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I was sitting in church today,
I received a text message. Usually I

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don't check my phone and I keep
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on with my sister Micah, I've
made it a point to try to keep

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an eye on it for a fear
of her safety due to others' behaviors towards

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her. To no surprise, it
was a message about what was said from

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the pulpit today in Myrtle Beach at
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that someone could take the position that
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God and use it for their own
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Please hear my heart when I say, if you attend that church,

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guard your heart and get in the
Bible. The church is the people in

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God, not the pastor. When
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giving a sermon saying he's going to
pray to God for a hot wife,

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that should raise a million red flags. When a pastor is on stage and

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a sermon saying he's going to wave
to all his Facebook haters on his private

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plane on the way to Miami,
that should raise a red flag. When

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the pastor is up there saying that
he's angry at God for always making his

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sermons about what he's going through in
his life, you should take that as

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a red flag. When the pastor
is saying he shouldn't be up there preaching

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to you, you should hear what
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can only imagine how emotionally straining it
is for Micah having somebody in a position

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of influence spreading lies about her to
the entire congregation. And I commend my

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sister for standing tall and standing on
God's word. So that post was from

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March seventeenth, over a month before
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included that because it's interesting to note
that there were challenges that her family were

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talking about you long before her death
with her husband and with their separation.

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Since her death, her family and
friends have said that they don't believe Micah

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died by suicide. They're trying to
ensure that there is a thorough investigation and

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are asking people not to believe everything
they are reading online. Again, Micah's

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sister Sierra posted something the day after
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that as well. There was a
lot of talk already going on. I

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want to set the record straight.
Our sister, Micah Miller passed away yesterday.

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Please do not listen to false stories
being shared about her. Micah was

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a god fearing, joyful, loving
woman who did not deserve the abuse she

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endured. If you hear anything about
this from anyone other than her family,

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please question it, reach out to
her siblings or parents. Keep our family

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in your prayers, and if you
have any information that needs to be shared,

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please contact one of us. Please
respect us in this time and honor

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her memory with joy that she is
no longer suffering. On May third,

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Micah's friend Angela Clark made a lengthy
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and his church. I included this
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is a friend of Micah's and knows
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she seemed to have a lot of
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very reputable post. So again,
I'm going to have you read this post

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from her friend Angela. I will
not sit here and pretend that I know

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exactly what happened on Saturday, but
I know a lot. I'm well aware

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in the past that Micah had mental
health issues, and I witnessed her struggle

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firsthand. But I also know in
the past few months this has been used

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as a weapon to control her.
The Micah I saw at the beginning of

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her mental health journey was not the
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The Micah I was seeing was a
grown woman trying to break the chains of

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an abusive marriage. I was part
of Micah's church for years. Leaving that

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church was one of the hardest things
Brian and I ever did. We loved

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the people in that church, but
God had made it clear that we needed

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to go because it was a toxic
environment. We endured relentless attacks from the

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pastor. It was unlike anything we
had ever experienced in ministry. God calls

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us where He needs us, and
instead of supporting and loving us, our

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entire family came under attack. There
were attempts to sabotage us in our new

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church home. Calls were made to
employers, dropping in at my place of

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business in the middle of my workday
when I refused to answer calls, calls,

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more than I can count, emails
that were rants and writing. It

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was a nightmare for close to a
month. Micah wasn't just leaving a church.

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She was leaving her marriage. She
was done, She hired a lawyer,

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she moved out, and she was
getting a divorce. She was left

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with nothing but her faith and her
family and her small circle of friends.

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Was a hard yes. She had
her tires cut multiple times, found multiple

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trackers on her car, cow topped
in fear of being found, and was

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hospitalized by her husband when it was
completely unnecessary. I talked to her multiple

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times in her final week here on
earth. She was making plans to get

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her haircut, getting help with her
car payment because she was a little short

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after paying her divorce lawyer, and
she was planning to meet us for the

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second service at church on Sunday.
My final text with her on Friday at

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nine nineteen pm was a woman making
plans to live what happened between Friday night

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and Saturday. Good question, Yeah, great question, and a lot of

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great information in there just about the
situation that Micah was in. It just

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sounds it sounds really horrible. Another
thing that caused some consternation among Micah's family

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and friends was her obituary, which
was clearly written by JP. There are

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some nice things in there about Micah, but then he turns around and makes

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it all about him. So I'm
going to read part of that obituary.

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Micah was energetic, affirming, adventurous, faithful, loving, giving forgiving,

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talented, joyous, creative, assertive, bold, determined, authoritative, passionate,

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hardworking, a risk taker, and
so much more. She and JP

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have been friends since two thousand and
nine, married in twenty seventeen, and

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spent almost every single day and night
together. Micah loved her little dog,

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Loki. She loved to be doing
outdoor activities like waterfall repelling, hiking,

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sky diving, running, and going
to the beach. Micah would take on

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any challenge, even if it was
being vegan for an entire year. Micah

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was a great stepmother and an amazing
wife and helpmate. She helped Pastor JP

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with the church in every way.
Micah was the worship leader, graphics designer,

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youth leader, women's ministry leader,
and pastor's assistant, and she did

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all of this with the utmost integrity
and faithfulness. Micah made the greatest of

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efforts to always be the best wife
she could be. She truly served Jesus

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and her husband with all her heart. She would praise her husband after every

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church service, telling him he was
the best preacher in the world, even

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if it wasn't true. She also
told him he was the funniest preacher in

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the world, even though that wasn't
true either. I hate when murderous spouses

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are allowed to write the obituary.
I know alleged murderers spouses. Yes,

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the obituary goes on from there to
talk about how important her family was,

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but I wanted to read that part
just because I thought it was just the

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Yeah, it's very icky, the
great way to describe it. People have

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also raised the question of if she
did take her own life, why would

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she go to Lumberton, North Carolina
to do that. She had no ties

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there, no family, no friends, no history that we know of.

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As one person online who claimed to
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there are plenty of nice wooded areas
around Myrtle Beach if she was looking for

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a remote location. This person went
on to speculate, quote, but the

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one thing, Robeson County, which
is where Lumberton is located, does have

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an incredibly high crime rate. If
someone wanted to harm Micah and leave her

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in an area inundated with homicide cases, a place where law enforcement might not

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dig too deeply into an apparent suicide, Robeson County might have been their best

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option, just saying end quote.
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very large park. I'm just going
to read from their website here. Located

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in Columbus Robison, Scotland, and
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lumber River State Park has two access
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other, Princess Anne and Chalk Banks. Possibilities for paddling on this eleven I'm

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sorry, one hundred and fifteen mile
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plant life, including the belted kingfisher
and rare Carolina bogmint, helped Lumber River

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00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:33.720
earn federal distinction as a National Wild
and Scenic River, the only blackwater river

407
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in the state to have that honor. So it's a huge park. I

408
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:38.640
mean, yeah, if your entrances
are an hour from each other, So

409
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:44.519
there is a vast We don't know
where her body was found exactly, if

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it was in the woods or if
it was just possibly in a vehicle,

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right, and we don't even know
how long between the time she died and

412
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.680
the time her body was found either. So yeah, there's a lot of

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questions. Still, no one had
reported her missing, correct, Not that

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I've heard just a few minutes talking
about some of the things I've seen online

415
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.440
that fall more into the rumor and
speculation category but are still potentially relevant to

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this case. First, I've read
that John Paul had several criminal charges filed

417
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:17.000
against him, including assault in battery. That may be true, but I

418
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:21.000
have not been able to confirm that. Second, there are many claims that

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00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:23.799
John Paul was known to have affairs, and that in particular, there is

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00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:29.440
one woman named Susie Skinner, who
is involved in the church, and that

421
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.839
he has allegedly been having an affair
with for a long time. Her husband,

422
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.839
Chris Skinner, was a paraplegic who
died in twenty twenty one in what

423
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.759
was ruled an accidental drowning in a
community swimming pool. Again, there's a

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00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:48.119
lot of online speculation, people talking
about this as being suspicious, but we

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00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.759
don't know anything more about his death. There's no reason to think that it

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00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.400
was anything suspicious. Just a couple
of days after Micah's death, John Paul

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00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.960
was photographed with Susie out on the
town looking like they were having a great

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00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.799
time. We'll post one of those
pictures on our social media, but to

429
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.960
be fair, they could just be
a couple of friends going out for drinks

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00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:13.440
too. Absolutely, and actually,
for her part, she issued a statement

431
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:19.400
about their quote unquote date and about
Micah, claiming that it was suicide.

432
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.559
So I want to have you read
her statement in full. He's my friend.

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00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.839
His wife passed away four days ago
and he had no one to eat

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00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.039
with. He asked a bunch of
people to sit with him and no one

435
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.359
could go. So when he asked
if I could go, I went.

436
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.759
We've been friends for years. It
wasn't a date. People also said he

437
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.839
murdered his wife, but we believe
she called the police before she did it,

438
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.279
saying that she bought a gun and
was going to kill herself and wanted

439
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.720
to make sure they could ping her
phone so her family could find the body.

440
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.920
This is from the nurse at the
hospital. Then she did it.

441
00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:00.720
She's attempted suicide before. She's schizophrenic, bipolar, and has dependent personnel disorder.

442
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.319
She took herself off her meds starting
in December, against her doctor's orders

443
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.960
and against JP's wishes, and even
texted her family telling them she was doing

444
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.960
it. This is the longest she's
been off her lithium since she was diagnosed

445
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.000
in twenty seventeen. A few weeks
ago, she threw a belt out of

446
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.519
the car while driving on the highway
because she thought it was a serpent.

447
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.200
She was playing chess by herself recently
and talking to herself. When they asked

448
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:29.920
her what she was doing, she
said, playing chess with the demon.

449
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.440
She was very, no extremely mentally
ill, and the people posting this stuff

450
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.240
on social media haven't spoken to her
or JP in years. They were part

451
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:44.720
of his first church that ended in
twenty fifteen, so none of it is

452
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.440
what people are making it out to
look like. So I have not seen

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00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.319
Micah's family directly respond to that quote, but I think they would say,

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00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.799
don't believe what she's saying here,
don't believe what she's reading. But I

455
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:59.160
did want to include it because it
is, you know, kind of the

456
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:05.559
other side of the equation. Even
if Micah had mental health problems, there

457
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.280
is no reason to believe that she
would have taken her own life. Yeah,

458
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:13.760
and I have questions about that quote
from Susie as well, because,

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00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.519
well, first of all, if
what she's saying is true about Micah calling

460
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.360
the police before she ended her life, that should make for a pretty quick

461
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.800
investigation. If police got that call
and they have that recording, you would

462
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.840
think that they would have already been
able to rule her death a suicide.

463
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:32.159
Good point. The other thing that
I thought was interesting about that quote is

464
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.280
that if this woman is just friends
with JP, as she claims, how

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00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:43.440
does she know so much about Micah's
mental health, her status of taking prescriptions,

466
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.239
and these alleged incidents she's talking about. I mean, those are very

467
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:51.199
personal things. I mean they could
have been good friends and she could have.

468
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.159
I'm not not defending them, but
that he could have confided in her,

469
00:34:54.679 --> 00:35:00.400
although he forbid Micah from confiding in
a friend, right. Yeah.

470
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:05.840
Ugh, So we promised near the
beginning we would talk about JP's dad,

471
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.920
who is an interesting character. And
you've done some research on that a little

472
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.519
bit. Yeah. In twenty fourteen, Reginald Wayne Miller, who went by

473
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:17.039
Wayne John Paul's father, was indicted
on fork colony counts of forced labor and

474
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.400
two misdemeanor counts of failure to pay
minimum wage. He was once thought to

475
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:28.360
be a bright light in the South
Carolina religious community and a charismatic leader known

476
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:32.639
for speaking in tongues prophecy, and
faith healing. Reginald Miller is the president

477
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:38.679
and founder of the former Cathedral Bible
College, now known as All Nations Bible

478
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:45.480
College and Seminary. The college changed
its name after several scandals involving Miller.

479
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.360
The college once had two campuses,
one in Myrtle Beach and the other in

480
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.840
Marion, but now there is only
one campus located in Columbia. So he

481
00:35:53.920 --> 00:36:01.360
took these international students in and forced
them to work for him as servants or

482
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:07.760
slaves. They worked as many as
forty hours a week at as personal residents

483
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.679
or at the college for as little
as twenty five dollars a week. Federal

484
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.840
law limits students here on visas to
a maximum of twenty hours a week,

485
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.039
and their work is supposed to be
in their field of study. As many

486
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:24.519
as eight students were exploited. The
case was investigated by the US Homeland Security

487
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:30.320
Department, and the investigation also found
that the student's housing lacked hot water,

488
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:37.079
air conditioning, and heat, and
they were given substandard food that was often

489
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.800
expired or sparse, and they weren't
given enough money really to be themselves,

490
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:50.800
that is insane. The investigation by
the Homeland Department found that the college misrepresented

491
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:55.280
its education its ability to educate these
students. According to some news, the

492
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.679
students said the college classes were quote
not real, and their soul purpose was

493
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.840
to work for Miller. He pleaded
guilty to four felony charges and to misdemeanors

494
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:10.400
and did some time in jail.
Miller had previously ran a K through twelve

495
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.719
school, a Christian school, which
ultimately closed. He previously hosted a television

496
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:21.199
show called Good Morning Jesus that was
seen in as many as sixteen states.

497
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:27.800
His first wife divorced him after two
parishioners claimed that he made unwanted sexual advances

498
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:34.239
towards their husbands, and several college
students also alleged that he made inappropriate advances

499
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.400
towards them. In two thousand and
six, Miller was charged with prostitution and

500
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:45.480
lewdness after he exposed himself to an
undercover officer at a bathhouse in Myrtle Beach.

501
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:50.760
The charge was expunged from his record, and he completed some sort of

502
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.239
treatment program. Miller was accused again
of inappropriate sexual behavior when he traveled to

503
00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:00.440
Pakistan in twenty twenty two. His
host pastored man did he leave after he

504
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:06.960
was found to be having a sexual
relationship with a Pakistani man. Wow,

505
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.519
And there's again with like the rumors
and speculation. The man who was hosting

506
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:17.719
him, he died and it's kind
of speculated that maybe Miller had something to

507
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.199
do with it. But he was
also an old a pretty old man.

508
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:28.280
Yeah, so definitely some weird stuff
there. The apple doesn't fall far from

509
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.000
the tree, as they say.
Yeah, So that is about all the

510
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.239
information we have at this point on
this case. As we mentioned, this

511
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.920
is obviously very current. There's going
to be developments, you know, over

512
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.280
the next short term. We'll try
to provide updates to it. But I

513
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.760
guess for now, based on what
you've heard so far, what do you

514
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.519
think happened to Micah? I really
don't know. I know that John Paul

515
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.679
is a piece of garbage, that
he's a horrible man, was a horrible

516
00:38:53.760 --> 00:39:00.559
husband, has no right to be
telling people how to live there lives.

517
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:06.239
But I there's just not enough information
at this point. Yeah, obviously something

518
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.920
feel it feels weird, it feels
icky. Yeah, I mean, I

519
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.280
think we're just going to have to
be patient and see how it plays out.

520
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.480
Yeah. I think the facts will
come out over time, and there's

521
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.239
a lot of attention on this now. There's a lot of people talking about

522
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.440
the case. I think that will
help to move things forward well, justice

523
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.280
for Micah if necessary. I think
a lot of people are scared that this

524
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:32.039
is going to be swept under the
rug, especially with the jurisdictional differences between

525
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.679
North Carolina and South Carolina. Sometimes
those it's a great point, are hard

526
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:42.039
to reconcile. And as you said, the Lumberton area has a higher rate

527
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:46.199
of crime and they might want to
solve it quicker. But if people keep

528
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:51.199
putting pressure on them, I think
they're more likely to investigate it thoroughly.

529
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.760
Yeah, and there is speaking of
justice for Micah. There is a hashtag

530
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.679
on Facebook if you want to get
more information. There's a lot of people

531
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.000
posting on there. Some people are
friends or fa family that are posting,

532
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.559
so it's a good good one to
follow if you're on Facebook. But either

533
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:07.639
way, you know, rest in
peace Micah. I hope that we're able

534
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.800
to get to the truth, whatever
it is, regardless of what happened,

535
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:22.840
and that there can be justice and
closure for her family. Well, happy

536
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.440
Sinco to Mayo. We forgot to
start with Happy Sinco to Mayo. Do

537
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.119
you know how we're celebrating. We're
getting fish and fish ships. I love

538
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:36.480
Mexican food. I love going to
the Mexican restaurant. But there's a great

539
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.880
place by us called Cornman Farms,
which is owned by Zingerman's. And if

540
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:44.760
you any run from ann Arbor knows
what Zingerman's is. Probably anyone in Michigan

541
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.360
knows what Zingerman's is. Do you
want to talk about Zingerman's real quick?

542
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.079
Zingerman's is like an amazing deli that's
how it started as a deli, but

543
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.880
they've branched out, they have different
businesses now, but they're just super well

544
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:58.960
part of a Yeah, it's really
well run. They're like they've written books

545
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.599
like on their business model, old
things. So it's a it's an ann

546
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.679
Arbor institution, but it's definitely known
outside of the area as well. But

547
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.000
yeah, there's sandwiches or I mean, they're just they're amazing. It's like

548
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:13.840
a New York style deli in Michigan
with I don't know what you pay for

549
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.360
a sandwich in New York, but
Singerman's a sandwich is I mean twenty bucks

550
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:21.280
easily. It's been a while.
We haven't gotten another mortgage on to save

551
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.400
the money. We haven't gone in
a while. But they do this fish

552
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.760
and chips thing every once in a
while. It's like, I don't know

553
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.800
how well, a couple of times
a year. Yeah, And it happened

554
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.519
to land on Sinko to Mayo and
I mean it's a it's so it's amazing.

555
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.559
Yeah, So that's what we're doing. I'm looking forward to it.

556
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.559
Thank you so much, Lisa for
sending this our way, and thank you

557
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.280
to you for putting it together.
Lisa, we love you and you're the

558
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:50.320
best. Jenna from Australia, thank
you so much for the snack recommendation.

559
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.159
I think Rich is really pretty exciting. I'm really happy about that. And

560
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.519
I'm actually working on an Australian case
right now, so we'll have a we'll

561
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:02.639
have a little Australian case. Australian
listeners are awesome, They are awesome.

562
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.559
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