July 14, 2025

Michelle and Jason Young - Part 2

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When 29-year-old Michelle Young was found dead in her Raleigh, North Carolina home, the discovery sent shockwaves through her family, her circle of friends, and the community. Michelle was married, the mother of a toddler, and expecting her second child. She was beautiful, bright, and driven; by all accounts, a woman with so much ahead of her. Michelle’s brutal murder baffled the quiet suburban neighborhood and prompted a frustrating investigation that would grow increasingly complicated by the lack of cooperation from Michelle’s husband. Her marriage to 32-year-old Jason Young had been troubled from the beginning, but at the time of her death, he was reportedly hundreds of miles away on a business trip. As detectives began piecing together the timeline, unsettling questions began to surface. Who would do this to a young mother in her own home? Could it have been a random act of violence, or was the truth far closer to home? The investigation uncovered complicated relationships, emotional wounds, and evidence that raised more questions than answers. In this episode, we explore the case that shook Raleigh and pushed the justice system to its limits before any sense of resolution was found.

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Hi.

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I'm Tina, and I'm Rich. If there's one thing we've

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learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's that.

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Some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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And some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to Love, Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey Tina, How

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are you doing good? How are you?

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I know you're not doing good, but you're a trooper

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and you're here anyway.

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I am doing all right. I'm looking forward to hearing

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part two of this story.

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And by that you mean the recap of Love Island

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episode ten to fifteen.

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Oh, yes, I forgot about that.

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That's why you came back.

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I can't wait.

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I can't believe what's going on on that island. But anyway,

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a lot of times when we record, we forget to

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talk about things that we mean to talk about. Oh

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every time, every darn episode, we haven't talked about the

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Karen Reid verdict. And I know by now it's ancient

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history because the news cycle moves so fast today. Yeah,

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but what did you think of the verdict? We spent

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a lot of time going over that case.

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I'm not surprised by the verdict at all. She was

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found not guilty of the most serious counts, right, I

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think she was found guilty of drunk driving under the influence.

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Yeah, but not even like driving under the influence and

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leaving the scene of a crime, just driving under the influence,

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which she was definitely under the influence.

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So I wasn't surprised by the verdict, but I was

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probably I was a little disappointed. I know, this case

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is so divisive and people have really strong opinion.

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People are going to come after you for that.

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I almost got in a fight with my friend Dave

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when I was in New York this week because he

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is he strongly believes that she is innocent, and.

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There's when a lot of our friends believe that. And

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that's okay. We say this every time. You can disagree

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with us. We don't mind at all if you give

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us an intelligent argument. Yeah. I agree with the jury's verdict.

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Actually I am not. Her defense team was impeccable. They

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did such a good job. They really established reasonable doubts.

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don't disagree with the verdict either. I think there was

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a lot of There's definitely a lot of corruption in

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the police force.

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There were I think that's what came down. It comes

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down to for a lot of people. Anyone who lives

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in Massachusetts has really been through a lot and they've

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seen the corruption in the state police and a lot

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of local police departments. So I don't fault anyone for that.

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But I still think she did it.

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Well, you don't think she did it maliciously, right, it

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was a yeah. I mean, I'm not going to rehash

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my opinion because we did three episodes on it, but

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it makes me sad that he's been lost in all

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of this.

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Yeah. John O'Keeffe. I mean, he was the victim in

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this and there's no justice for him. And I know

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a lot of people on the conspiracy theorist side think

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that they're going to go after the police now, but

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they're not. It's not going to happen.

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Yeah, they did some shady things and the investigation was botched,

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and a lot of the Alberts and they just they

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acted very suspicious by not letting the police into their

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home and they got rid of their cell phones. Anyway,

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enough about that. Yeah, I'm happy to put Karen read

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to bed.

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I am never talked on again.

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There's been another exciting development in a case that we

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covered a while back the Suzanne More a few cases.

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Oh yeah, Barry was arrested.

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If there's one guy that I wanted to go to

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prison and pay for his crime, it's him.

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Absolutely, There's no doubt in my mind that he killed

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his wife.

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So you think the trial will be a slam dunk

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for him once he goes on trial.

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I think so because her remains, her skeletal remains were

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found and there was evidence of a chemical that I

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think I read that he was the only person in

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the state that has.

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This chemicals tranquilize her something that.

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think that's pretty good evidence.

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And also, the Brian Koberger trial is starting in August?

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Is it really early August? They keep trying to push

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it back, but so far the judge has said, Nope,

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we're doing this.

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That's a big one.

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Yeah.

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I did bring you a snack.

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Okay, I'm not really looking forward to it, but because

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we went to the grocery store.

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Yeah, after our amazing pickleball game last night, we went

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to the grocery.

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I need coconut.

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Coconut? What else should I buy?

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Though?

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I don't remember two lemons.

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Oh, yes, that's right.

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I made you lemon bliss balls.

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Okay, so thisul I'm going to keep an open mind.

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The chef made them on blow deck and everyone was like,

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oh my god, these are amazing. So I had to

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look up the recipe. It's he it's a healthier treat.

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It's cashews and coconut and a little bit of vanilla

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vanilla protein powder, lemon juice, lemon zest.

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Open mind.

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Okay, we'll be right back. What did you think does.

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My expression look blissful?

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I mean you always look happy, But no, you didn't.

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Lavest so much? Didn't?

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Oh I really, I'm sorry.

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The flavor was all right. I didn't like the text here.

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It was like a moist cliff bar or something. It

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was like very I don't know. Didn't didn't love it.

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And I didn't like the coconut like I can.

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Oh sorry. I tried to make it as small as

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I could. I think they're delicious. I love them. So

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if you like lemon and coconut and you're looking for

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something that's sweet with a little lush sugar, I think

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it's a great little treat. But Rich doesn't think so.

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Okay, I don't have to like everyone.

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Our son didn't love them either. No, I need to

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make a clarification. The last episode, I gave you a

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Reese's Peanut butter Pie miniature cup. Yes, and I had

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put some regular ones in the bag because I was

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going to make you do a taste test, right, but

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I accdentally gave you one of the original ones and

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you were like a taste just like the and you

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were right. But now that you have tasted the peanut

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butter pie, did you like those?

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I liked it, I don't think. I still don't think

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I liked it as much as regular ones. It did

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have more like a toffee flavor, which was interesting.

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I think they're really good. I think you should give

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them a try if you see them, Can you give

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us a summary from the first part of Michelle and Jason.

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Young I sure ken. On November third, two thousand and six,

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twenty nine year old Michelle Young was brutally murdered in

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her home in Raleigh, North Carolina. At the time, her husband,

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Jason was reportedly out of town on business about one

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hundred and fifty miles away. Michelle had been pregnant with

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their second child, a boy they planned to name Rylan.

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Their two year old daughter, Cassidy, was found unharmed in

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her parents' bed by Michelle's sister, Meredith Fisher, who had

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come by the house to retrieve some eBay printouts. Jason

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had said he wanted to surprise Michelle with a coach purse,

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though their anniversary had passed weeks earlier. Cassidy was clean

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and dry, despite leaving bloody handprints and footprints throughout the

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upstairs of the house. As the investigation unfolded, several red

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flags began to emerge. Jason refused to be interviewed by

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the police. He had stayed at a Hampton in the

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night of the murder, but only used his room key once,

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despite appearing on surveillance footage more than once. A rock

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had been found propping open a side entrance to the hotel,

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and the surveillance camera had been tampered with, first unplugged,

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then later redirected to face the ceiling. A gas station

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attendant idd him after a terse confrontation with Jason at

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around five thirty am, about an hour from the Hampton inn.

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He also cut off contact between Cassidy and her grandmother

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and aunt, and investigators would later uncover evidence of an

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extramarital affair with a woman named Michelle Money. He and

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Michelle's marriage had been tenuous from the start.

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Is there anything you want to add to that?

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I don't think so. Think it was a pretty good summary.

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Okay. Remember when Jason appeared on the Hampton Inn surveillance

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camera at midnight, I do he was wearing a different

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shirt than the one that he'd worn while checking in.

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When police searched his vehicle and luggage for this shirt,

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they couldn't find it, but they did find condoms in

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his suitcase. And why would you need condoms when your

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wife is pregnant? But we do know that he was

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seeing another woman, so that's probably why law enforcement weren't

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happy that Michelle's murder case was growing cold. Detective Sergeant

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Richard Spivey decided to re examine all of the evidence

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in the case. He zeroed in on the crime scene

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photos and saw something that was not only out of place,

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but very disturbing. In Cassidy's room, a bottle of Tylenol

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extra strength adult rapid Blast was on a shelf with

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an eye dropper laying next to it. Also on the

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shelf was a bottle of pan cough PD cough syrup,

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a strong adult cough syrup that contains dihydrocodeine, which can

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induce sleepiness and dizziness. Another lesser known side effect is

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infrequent urination, which might explain how Cassidy remained dry for

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so long.

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Interesting.

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Remember Cassidy was I think exactly two years and seven

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months yeh or thirty one months. Remember, Jason had worked

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for a pharmaceutical company in sales and had worked with

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this drug, and he was provided with over one thousand samples.

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He thoroughly knew the side effects of the drug. The

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Sheriff's office had preserved these items since November two thousand six,

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including the medicine dropper. Sergeant Spivey had them sent off

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to the SBI crime Lab for analysis. The SBI found

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a match of Cassidy's DNA on the medicine dropper. It

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also confirmed that dihydrocodine was present in the chamber of

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the dropper. Suddenly, the toddler's shockingly clean appearance in the

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aftermath of the murder wasn't quite so enigmatic. The notion

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that she'd been cleaned up before four a m and

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placed under the covers on Jason's side of the bed

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and remained asleep in precisely that spot for more than

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nine hours. Didn't seem so implausible. Cassidy had apparently been drugged,

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and who was more knowledgeable about the effect of these

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medications than Jason Young.

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That's super interesting and it makes total sense. I I

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have to wonder though, why they they collected those things,

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they were holding them in evidence, but they never thought

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to test them the first time around. That seems a

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little surprising.

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Well, so many times in these cases when they go cold,

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you know, there's some detective that goes back and looks

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at all the crime scene photos and they're able to

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find a new clue. Yeah, and shows you how important

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that those crime scene photos are. But this theory doesn't

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explain the bloody of footprints unless you know she woke

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up and Cassidy some she was potty trained. It's hard

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to believe that she was potty trained at night, but

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she could have, you know, woken up, gone to use

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the bathroom and that's when she made the bloody of

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footprints and then crawled back into bed because you know,

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she was so exhausted from these drugs. Yeah, and it's

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hard to believe that she would wake up and go

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to the bathroom. But like I said, one of the

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side effects of the medication was lack of urination.

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Well, and so she talked to her teacher about or

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she was playing with dolls and said something about the

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fight or something that mommy got booboos and things like that.

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So it makes you wonder.

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If she was she walked in on them rugs after Like, yeah,

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if she walked in, maybe she made the bloody footprints

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at that point, and then maybe he took her, gave

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her the drug and then put her to bed after that.

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Right's heart breaking to think what Cassidy could have seen.

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Oh, totally heartbreaking.

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Investigators were having a hard time identifying the footprints found

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on the white throat pillow in the primary bedroom. The

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size ten footprint was prominent, the other shoe was barely visible,

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but eventually their patients paid off when the lighter imprint

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was enhanced and identified as a Hush Puppy's shoe Size twelve.

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Slip on a loyalty card from DSW Shoes was found

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during the search of the young's house, which allowed detectives

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to see all of the shoes they had purchased from

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the store. It was confirmed that the previous July, Jason

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had purchased four pairs of shoes, including a pair of Hushpuppies, loafers,

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and even better news, the surveillance footage from the Hampton

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End showed him wearing what appeared to be Hush Puppy

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low Fer Boy. A search warrant was issued to search

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for the shoes at Pat Young's home and a storage unit,

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but no shoes were found. Jason would later say that

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Michelle donated the.

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Shoes even though he was seen wearing them.

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Well, it wasn't positive that they were the same shoes,

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but they looked very similar. The other shoeprint was from

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a size ten airfoot athletic shoe sold by Family Dollar.

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I think these shoes run about ten dollars. Jason does

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not seem like the kind of guy who would buy

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a ten dollars pair of shoes at Family Dollar. So

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in my hat, I was like, could Jason have purchased

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these shoes as a decoy?

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Just so I understand? There were two shoe prints found.

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They were both found on the throat and throw pillow,

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and they were from two different shoes.

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They were from two different shoes.

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Okay, that's really weird.

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And the hushpuppy's shoe was they couldn't hardly see it

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at all until they sent it off and they had

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it in hand somehow. But the other shoe was I

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think they were the left and the right shoe on

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this pillow and they were very visible.

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Interesting.

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You could say that that's evidence that there was another

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person possibly at the crime scene.

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But even if that were true, that doesn't mean Jason

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couldn't have been one of those people exactly.

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So, Jason complied with a judge's order to provide samples

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of his hair, DNA, blood, saliva, fingerprints, and a body check.

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He was free of bruises, scratches, et cetera. And we

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know that Michelle fought back pretty hard because she had

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bruising and scratches on her hands. On November sixteenth, the

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Wake County Detectives took a field trip to Florida to

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visit Michelle money. She came clean right away and admitted

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that she and Jason had been having an affair the

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weekend that he told his wife that he was going

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to Orlando for business. He'd actually been with Michelle Money.

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He'd sent the anniversary card with the wonderful Starbucks gift

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card inside after he'd had sex with his wife's good friend.

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What a guy.

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There was also an email trail between Michelle Money and Jason.

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On October twenty eighth. He wrote quote, I feel lucky

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just to I owe you much less love you, but

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I do. I don't know how all this happened, but

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I know how it will end up two broken hearts,

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but I don't care. I know there is pain in

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my future, but you are so worth it, even if

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it's only for a blink in time. Michelle responded, quote,

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missing you so much. I won't even get into my

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husband's lack of romance, affection, et cetera. I wish things

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were different for all of us. Miss you tons. This

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is only a few months into their relationship and they're

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already exchanging I love you, but it seems like they

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knew that they had no future together, which I guess

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is a good thing.

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Maybe I read the note a little bit differently, but

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I thought, based on the fact that he said it'll

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end up with two broken hearts, that seemed to indicate

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to me that they were both planning on breaking up

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with their spouses, and I guess I.

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Took it as they were going their hearts were going

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to be.

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Broken, oh, because they couldn't be together. Yes, you could

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read it that way.

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Too, but you're right, I could see it your way too,

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as far as I know, though, they had no plans

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of ending their marriages at that point. In August two

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thousand and eight, almost two years after Michelle's death, frustrated

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by the pace of getting justice for her, Linda and

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Meredith considered filing a wrongful death suit against Jason at

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his suggestion of a prosecutor. There was only a two

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year window to file a wrongful death claim under the

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statute of Limitations roles, and they were up against this

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deadline because Jason still refused to cooperate with police. The

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civil lawsuit would require him to finally answer questions under oath.

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If you remember, he has never answered any questions.

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Right Assistant Wake County DA Howard Cummings reached out to

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Paul and Jack, Michael's brothers with a personal injury practice

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and asked them if they'd consider representing Linda and Meredith

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in their civil suit.

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Prosecutors only handle criminal cases, so he couldn't take this

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one on. Cummings told them that he'd hand over any

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files pertaining to the case as long as they shared

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any new evidence they discovered. The Michael's brothers were torn

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on fighting this risky case and due part to them

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having no experience in such a lawsuit, but in the

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end they accepted the challenge. Linda, the complaintant, sought damages

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for the pain and suffering Michelle endured during the fatal beating,

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as well as the loss to Cassidy of her mother's

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expected lifetime income and companionship. She also requested punitive damages

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from Jason and asked the court to declare him Michelle's

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slayer under the slayer statute, barring him from receiving any

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life insurance benefits. Linda and the attorneys knew it was

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unlikely that she'd never be paid any money, but it

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was about getting justice for Michelle. In the day of

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the hearing, Jason nor his attorneys showed up because Jason

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wasn't present. Judge Donald Stevens reviewed the case and signed

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a default judgment stating that Jason Lynn Young had wilfully

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and unlawfully killed his wife, Michelle Marie Fisher Young meeting

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the definition of a slayer under the applicable statute. The

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court effectively declared Jason to be Michelle's murderer, barring him

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from receiving any life insurance proceeds. Instead, the funds would

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go to their daughter, Cassidy.

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I'm surprised that Jason didn't show up and mount any

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defense to this civil case.

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Yeah, even though it was in civil court, he still

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declared a murderer, so it's definitely a win.

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Yeah.

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I mean, the judge reviewed all of the evidence before

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making that claim, and obviously it doesn't hold up in Well,

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I think it.

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Was more that it was a default judgment because he

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didn't present any defense. Okay, so Hattie showed up and

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presented a defense, it could have turned out differently, but

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it seemed as if he didn't want to be on

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the witness stand answering any question.

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So that was just his way of avoiding answering any.

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Yeah, and I think he was like, well, this is

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a civil judgment.

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There's you know, it's not going to get any money

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out of me anyway.

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So yeah, at this point, I think he had lost

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his job, any job that he had gotten since he'd

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lost that job too, so I think he was living

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with his mom and didn't have a lot of fun.

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Okay.

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December two thousand and eight, Linda and Meredith filed a

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lawsuit seeking sole custody of Cassidy. Then, just a month later,

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to their surprise and relief, Jason agreed to gradually transfer

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permanent custody of Cassidy to meredithow Cassidy would live with

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her aunt and Raleigh, where she would begin kindergarten. Jason

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requested visitation with her every other weekend, and four weeks

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in the summer, they would meet half way between Raleigh

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and Brevard at a Crackerwarel restaurant to exchange Cassidy. Meredith

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and Linda never thought this was possible, but they assumed

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it was just because Jason wanted discourage having to answer

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questions about Michelle under oath and avoid undergoing a psychological evaluation.

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Jason and Cassidy had lived in Brevard with his mother

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and stepfather since Michelle's murder. He'd lost his job and

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many of his friends. In March two thousand and nine,

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at the hearing to awards civil suit damages, Jason was

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again a no show and as were his attorneys. Linda

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and Meredith both testified to their heartbreak as well as Cassidy's.

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Linda said quote, my heart's been ripped out of me,

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and the void in Cassidy's life would never be filled.

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The judge awarded fifteen point six million dollar to Michelle's family,

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but everyone knew they'd never see a dime of that money.

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We'll be back after a break.

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Investigators delved into Jason's computer and found a letter he

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wrote to his ex fiancee Genevieve in September two thousand

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and six.

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It was a lengthy letter, but we've abridged it to

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the most pertinent parts.

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I outwardly moved on from you, but I'm not sure

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my heart and soul did. I now have a family

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and a daughter I love deeply, but I don't feel complete.

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Sometimes I imagine our paths crossing again in another life

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in heaven. That's how I cope when you're strongly on

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my mind. The biggest mistake I made was asking you

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to marry me. When I did, I wish we could

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have matured together more. Timing, not just love, is everything,

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and that's what I have to live with now. I

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remember moments with you vividly. You made me feel true, passionate,

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timeless love. I will always love you, even though I

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know I will never be together. I know this is

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inappropriate for a married man to say to a married woman,

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but I love you, I always have and I always will.

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I don't expect a response. I just needed to say it.

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And she never responded because her email address had changed

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and she never received or.

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She never actually got it.

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Wow, she did hear about the letter later.

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Oh boy. Some of Jason's Google searches were very revealing,

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including anatomy of a knockout head trauma, knockout head trauma,

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blackout head blow, knockout divorce, and right posterior parietal occipital region.

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I believe he later tried to explain this away as

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he was one of the first people on this at

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the scene of an accident and he'd seen some injuries,

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and he's like, oh, I was just curious. That seems

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like not a very good excuse.

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No. No.

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They also found some terse emails written from Jason to

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Michelle July twelfth, two thousand and six. I just got

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home and the goddamn power is out. I called progress

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energy and a crew is already out. Cass pissed herself

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all over the floor. It's hot as hell inside, and

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I can't entertain her enough without TV to finish the

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goddamn yard. I am taking beer and her to the pool.

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I am in a mood that thanks our trip to

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myrtlecy mild pray, the beer kicks in. I could kill

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you for not letting me finish the yard this morning.

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Oh my goodness, that is a turny email.

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People love to hear you swear, and it does make

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me chuckle a little bit, not like I feel bad

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horribly for Michelle, just to hear you angry is I know.

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That's really it's.

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Kind of funny because you normally don't yell.

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And another email about the upcoming holidays. I do not

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want your mom here a week before Christmas, and I

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don't want her here through New Year's Eve. If she

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wants to come at Christmas and stay for two or

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three nights, then fine. I am not spending my entire

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holiday season with my mother in law at my house.

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I'm not wavering on this, and I don't think I'm

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being extreme. That was I was a little more mild,

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But yeah, still.

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I'm I kind of don't blame him.

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No, I don't either.

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I think it's nice to have your family there, but

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I just don't think your kids really want you there

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for a whole week.

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Yeah.

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Another email contained an argument over an upcoming tailgate that

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Jason wanted to take Cassidy to. I have always felt

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I am extremely cognizant of my daughter's health in every sense,

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even more so than you in most cases. I do

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not want to hear anything else on the subject, or

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we will have another disagreement. You have trouble lying in

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the bed you make for yourself. You are the first

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person to gripe, complain, and be very bitter about tailgates.

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When is the last time you had fun at a

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tailgate and didn't complain about me, my actions, your friends

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their actions, not drinking, the heat, the weather, or any

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other thing you can Yet, ironically, you want to put

481
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yourself through all these negative things that you typically bitch about.

482
00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.640
I just don't get you. You can't have it both ways.

483
00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:54.440
Hopefully you will lighten up at some point in your life,

484
00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:56.920
but if not, don't try to bring me with you,

485
00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:59.640
for I have no desire for that type of experience,

486
00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:01.279
which Wow.

487
00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:03.319
I'm sorry, there's one more. I know this is a lot,

488
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.160
but I feel like it's important to illustrate Jason's attitude

489
00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.920
and some of the problems that they had in their marriage.

490
00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.960
And this email was about Jason's anniversary gift. He wrote,

491
00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.119
in reality, I hand wrote you a card, dropped it

492
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.319
in the mail on ten to seven, as it is postmarked.

493
00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:22.279
Andy anniversary is on the tenth, and got.

494
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:24.960
You more than twenty five dollars worth of Starbucks cards.

495
00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.039
Have you gone back to your mom and told her

496
00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:29.559
all that, yet all I've heard about is how I

497
00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:31.920
don't care because I didn't even get a card or

498
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.839
anything for you. Heck, I actually did more than you.

499
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.599
You wrote love Michelle, and I actually had a nice

500
00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:40.319
handwritten note in reality. Does that bother me?

501
00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:40.920
No?

502
00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:43.799
But I have to point out as a defense mechanism

503
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.079
since you came on so strong to me in front

504
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.799
of your mom. Moral of the story, don't get so

505
00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.839
emotional over spilled milk and make sure your mom and

506
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.039
whoever else gets a picture of the good as well

507
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:58.000
as the bad. Oh boy, this does not sound like

508
00:23:58.039 --> 00:23:59.680
a very good relationship.

509
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:02.519
Remember any time that you have sent me an angry email?

510
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:06.279
No, I never send you emails period, but right, well, this.

511
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.400
Was back at two thousand and six. Maybe we did

512
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:10.079
a little bit.

513
00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:10.359
Maybe.

514
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.599
Yeah, there were also emails though that did show a loving,

515
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:19.359
joking relationship. Okay, one more thing about Jason's laptop. Remember

516
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.000
he said that he was working until midnight on the

517
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:26.279
presentation for the next day. When his computer was analyzed,

518
00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.000
there was no evidence that he had been working on

519
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.799
it at all that night, other than I think he

520
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:32.200
checked some sports scores.

521
00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:36.200
Okay. Three years after Michelle's murder, a grand jury convened

522
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.759
in December two thousand and nine to weigh the evidence

523
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:42.920
against Jason Young. So convincing was the first witness, Sergeant

524
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:46.839
Detective Spivey, the grand jury four person, stopped the proceeding

525
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.359
and said that he and his fellow jurors didn't need

526
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.200
to hear any more evidence. They were ready to indict

527
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.759
Jason Young for first degree murder. In North Carolina in

528
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.480
two thousand and six, killing a pregnant woman did not

529
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.079
result in a double murder charge, as it did in

530
00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:03.640
some states. After a two thousand and five effort to

531
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.200
change the law failed to pass. Later in twenty eleven,

532
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:10.799
the unborn victims of Violence Act, or Ethan's Law, became

533
00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:15.039
effective December first, twenty eleven. It defines an unborn child

534
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.519
as a member of the species Homo sapiens at any

535
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.440
stage of development. On December fourteenth, Jason was arrested in

536
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.920
Brevard and driven back four and a half hours to

537
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:28.920
Raleigh to face the charges. In Wake County, Sheriff Donnie

538
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:32.359
Harrison was overjoyed by Jason's arrest. He had kept a

539
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.559
picture of Michelle on his desk for three years. Quote,

540
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:37.359
her mother gave it to me, and it was a

541
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:39.960
reminder every day that we had a case to solve,

542
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.960
and we've been working diligently to solve it. It makes

543
00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:45.079
me feel good today to look down at the picture

544
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.680
and say we've gotten one part of that puzzle.

545
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.960
That must have felt very good for everyone involved. But

546
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.279
there is finally arrest three years later.

547
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:54.279
Yeah, for sure.

548
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.160
I don't think I said this, but he was in jail.

549
00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.000
He wasn't able to post the bond whatever it was.

550
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.480
I think it was several million dollars. The trial began

551
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.680
eighteen months after Jason's arrest. Jason had spent his savings

552
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.759
on legal fees and was now considered indigen by Wake

553
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.079
County and was given a public defender since the county

554
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:18.119
didn't have official public defenders. They paid Brian Collins, a

555
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.640
hard hitting, experienced trial lawyer, to represent Jason. He has

556
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:27.720
been compared to Matt Locke. Mike Klinkosum would serve as

557
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:31.519
his co counsel. Becky Holt was the lead prosecutor. It

558
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:33.640
took a week to see if the seven women and

559
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.680
five men on the jury. The trial began on June seventh,

560
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:40.000
twenty eleventh, four and a half years after Michelle's murder.

561
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.960
Judge Donald Stevens presided over the trial, a twenty seven

562
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:47.200
year veteran of the bench. He was the same judge

563
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:50.200
who had presided over this civil trial. Oh, we're going

564
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.759
to go through the trial. It was a long trial.

565
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.680
We're just going to try to share the major highlights.

566
00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.279
During opening statements, the defense attempted to explain Jason's appears

567
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.640
on the Hampton and surveillance footage around midnight on the

568
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.079
night of Michelle's murder. They said that he had simply

569
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.960
left his hotel room to retrieve his laptop, charging court

570
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.000
and smoke a cigar before returning to bad but that

571
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.640
explanation raised eyebrows. Friends said Jason didn't smoke, He actually

572
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.640
hated it, and it seemed odd that his charger wouldn't

573
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.400
already be in his laptop bag. Right, there's tot of

574
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.680
you during this, because you're very methodical about how you

575
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.119
pack for a business trip.

576
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.039
Yeah, I mean not everybody is, so I can sort

577
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.039
of see that. But the smoking thing is weirdly why

578
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.440
would he use that as an excuse if he hated

579
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.640
smoking cigars? Some people that don't smoke or hate smoking,

580
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:40.359
they really do like smoking cigars.

581
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:45.599
Defense was able to point to some email for where

582
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:49.720
he had purchased some cigars or cigar accessories or something.

583
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.200
The defense didn't shy away from painting Jason in an

584
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.599
unflattering light. They called him a bad husband and an

585
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.400
immature jerk. They acknowledged his affair, but the did he

586
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.960
was not a killer. According to them, there was no

587
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.839
physical evidence tying Jason to Michelle's murder. And did you

588
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:10.200
know that in North Carolina, attorneys have to remain seated

589
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.160
while questioning witnesses. Really, yeah, they can walk around during

590
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.680
opening and closing arguments, but when they're doing an examination

591
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.599
of a witness, they have to sit at their table interesting.

592
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.519
The prosecution's first witness was Meredith Fischer. She acknowledged that

593
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.759
Michelle and Jason often argued and admitted that her sister

594
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:32.200
gave as good as she got. During the defense's cross examination,

595
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.160
there was an attempt to implicate Meredith in Michelle's murder.

596
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.359
After finishing her workshift, she met friends at the Carolina Alehouse,

597
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.000
where she stayed until it closed at two AM, and

598
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:47.039
consumed about five drinks. Surveillan's footage later captured her at

599
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.200
a gas station between the three thirty nine and four AM,

600
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:53.480
where she purchased and then ate a pretzel before heading home.

601
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.480
She said that she'd been drinking and she just wanted

602
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.720
to eat something that would soak up some of the alcohol.

603
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:02.240
Before she's having a pretzel after a night of drinking.

604
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.440
There was a gap in her timeline though, between two

605
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.799
and three thirty am, where her whereabouts were unknown.

606
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:11.880
What possible motive would she have had for killing.

607
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.599
Herself well, people said that she was jealous of her sister,

608
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:19.200
and Meredith was a little overweighted, and people said that

609
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.519
she'd always been jealous of Michelle because she was prettier

610
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.200
and more popular. Which is ridiculous. There was also an

611
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.039
issue because Meredith washed the pajamas that Cassidy was wearing.

612
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.559
But in her defense, like little Cassidy had, she'd just

613
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.640
been through hell. Yeah, I mean literal hell. And when

614
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.920
Meredith got her the crime scene, she had to talk

615
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.599
to the police, and her mom wasn't yet there, so

616
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.680
I think she had to like hold Cassidy to the

617
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.680
whole time. Poor Cassidy must have been starving, and Meredith

618
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.400
had lost her keys, which was also like people said,

619
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.279
that's I don't know how that was suspicious, but people

620
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.160
thought it was weird that she didn't know where her

621
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.160
keys were. I would totally lose my keys in that situation.

622
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.480
And they were lost to such an extent that I

623
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:02.240
think an officer had to drive Cassidy and Meredith to

624
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.279
Target so she could purchase some new clothes for her

625
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.880
and get her some food. Here's the poor baby, and

626
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.240
she must have been just exhausted and hungry, and she

627
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.160
changed her into some clean, some new clothes, and she

628
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.119
put the pajamas probably in a bag or something, and

629
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.839
then she took them home and washed them and not

630
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.440
realizing that they were evidence. But people said, oh, she

631
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.960
washed them on purpose, but there was evidence of blood

632
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:29.200
on the pajamas. The medical examiner testified next. His testimony

633
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.200
was emotional and gruesome. He described a brutal death for

634
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.920
Michelle and estimated that she was hit with a blunt

635
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.000
forest object in her head as many as thirty times.

636
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.200
An important witness for the prosecution was the gas station

637
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.920
attendant who believed that she'd seen Jason. The security cameras

638
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.359
were not functioning at the time of the incident, which

639
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.599
is so frustrating, so her testimony was crucial. She was

640
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.039
sure that the angry customer had been Jason, but the

641
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.279
defense brought up the description that she gave him. She

642
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.440
wasn't able to recall an exam hair color, or height,

643
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.119
and she said that he was a little taller than her.

644
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.759
I think she was about five feet and Jason is

645
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:08.359
over six feet one inches.

646
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:10.319
I wouldn't call that a little taller.

647
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.920
Right, And she said like he has a little bit

648
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.519
of hair, and you know he has a full head

649
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.960
of hair. So people were like, well, we're gonna get

650
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.759
to it later. But she had I think some brain

651
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.640
trauma when she was a child that might have affected

652
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.000
her ability to recall things. Michelle Money testified about the

653
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.720
brief affair that she'd had with Jason, saying she'd been

654
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.920
consumed with guilt after Michelle's death, but she continued to

655
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.759
talk and text with Jason and the weeks that followed

656
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.319
because he was the only one who understood her pain.

657
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.119
Really don't like Michelle Money. After Michelle's murder, she said

658
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.400
that the other mcbrod's traveled to Raleigh for the funeral.

659
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:50.319
She said that she finally ended the relationship with Jason

660
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.240
after an agent with the SBI called her an idiot

661
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.279
and warned her, you need to never speak to him again.

662
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:58.720
You're going to get yourself in trouble if you do.

663
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.359
They threatened her with being accessory to the murder if

664
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.640
she didn't subvertize all that Wow. Next up was Jason's

665
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.079
ex fiance, Genevieve. She testified that they'd broken up due

666
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:12.960
to his excessive drinking, immaturity, and violence. Once in an

667
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.200
angry fervor, he punched out the windshield of her car.

668
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.319
Here she is recounting a disturbing fight they had that

669
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:20.200
became physical.

670
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.720
Said something to the fact of, well, if I'm gonna

671
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:26.480
make such a terrible husband and give me back my

672
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:29.799
ring and it went on for probably about twenty minutes.

673
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.680
He cut my finger getting the ring off. Once I

674
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.680
told my parents what he'd done to me, there was

675
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:39.319
no way they would ever let me follow through on

676
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:46.799
the wedding. So I told them and then molded over

677
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.160
for a couple of days, and then I sent Jason

678
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.799
an email and called off the wedding. It just blew

679
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:56.880
my mind that he didn't care, no remorse whatsoever.

680
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.359
That music was really getting me.

681
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.039
Something about that music that was important testimony because it

682
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.440
showed that Jason had a history of violence. Another woman,

683
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.279
an old friend of Jason's from summer camp, testified that

684
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.880
a couple of weeks before Michelle's murder, she came for

685
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.759
a visit. Michelle was away for the weekend with friends.

686
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.000
She had sex with Jason on the couch while Cassidy slept,

687
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.880
so Jason cheated on his girlfriend and his wife. The

688
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.200
guy so this friend of Jason's was also married. She

689
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.400
testified that he took her finger, her ring finger, and

690
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:33.839
like sucked her wedding ring off and pretended to swallow it,

691
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.559
and she she was mad at him, and he said, well,

692
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.880
I guess you're gonna have to stay until it passes

693
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.920
who And then later he was telling his wife the

694
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.680
story and she laughed and thought it was funny, and

695
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.519
he said it was actually just in my cheek. But

696
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.519
the woman did stay until he gave her the ring back.

697
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.640
This woman was heartbroken. She felt so bad she openly

698
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:02.240
wept while she testified. Jennifer Remy and SBI agent testified

699
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.839
that there were about fifty hairs found around Michelle's body,

700
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.920
including one in her hand that contained the root, but

701
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.079
none of these hairs were a match for Jason. I

702
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.199
know some of them were Michelle's, though another agent testified

703
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.719
that there was no DNA found under Michelle's fingernails. This

704
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:18.639
really surprised.

705
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:19.079
Yeah.

706
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.199
Remembright had said that I think that he could have

707
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:25.079
been wearing some sort of like hazmat suit and gloves.

708
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:27.880
To me, that explains why, because we know she fought

709
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:29.440
back because there was bruising on her hands.

710
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:29.760
Yeah.

711
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:30.159
Could be.

712
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.000
The red lava rock found outside of the Hampton Inn

713
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:34.960
that had been used to prop out open the door

714
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:38.920
contained weak evidence of Jason's DNA, but shouldn't be considered

715
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:43.159
a confirmation. The medicine dropper in Cassidy's broom did contain

716
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:47.239
her DNA, but not Michelle or Jason's or Meredith's. So

717
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.840
it's kind of weird that there's a few unknown fingerprints,

718
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.840
especially on that bottle of medicine.

719
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.559
There were fingerprints on the bottle of medicine there match Jason.

720
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.920
There was at least one. Then I wonder if you're

721
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.840
stalking shells, like, you know, could that just be a

722
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.760
fingerprint from an employee?

723
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:05.719
Yeah?

724
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.119
Do you remember there was two cigarette butts found at

725
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:12.079
the scene, not by the police, but by doctor Maurice Godwin,

726
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:16.440
who Jason's family had hired. I didn't remember that, okay, So,

727
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.800
and they were unidentifiable too, they were, but they were

728
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.400
from two different males. I'm not accusing anyone of planting them,

729
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:25.679
but it does seem odd that the police wouldn't have

730
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.239
found them. They were either inside the garage or right

731
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.360
outside of the garage. And it seems odd too that

732
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.440
anyone would be, you know, leaving a crime scene and

733
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.000
smoking a cigarette.

734
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.760
Well that's what when we did a case a while

735
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.119
ago where the shooter was out in the yard and

736
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.119
there was a cigarette. But I said the same thing, like,

737
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:44.280
who's going to smoke a cigarette while they're, you know,

738
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:45.079
doing that.

739
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.639
Defense attorney Klinkosum was able to get a witness from

740
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.119
the DNA testing lab to concede during cross examination the

741
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.559
one out of every seventy nine Caucasian males possessed the

742
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.960
same DNA markers found in the swabbing of the landscaping rock.

743
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.400
That witness a lab rated that if a stadium were

744
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.679
filled with two hundred people, quote, you could have two

745
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.000
or more individuals that could have the same partial profile

746
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.559
that was obtained. Some of the one hundred and fifty

747
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:15.440
one latent fingerprints collected were from friends and family members

748
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.159
who hadn't been in the young's home for more than

749
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:22.239
six months, including Alan Fisher, Michelle's dad. A shoe print

750
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.039
expert testified that they had gone to great lengths to

751
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:29.199
identify the prince left on the white pillow and Michelle's paperwork.

752
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:31.519
I don't think I've mentioned this yet, but Michelle had

753
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.239
been working in bed and there was a bunch of

754
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.000
paperwork that had fallen under the floor, and there were

755
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.400
fingerprints found on that. The size twelve prince belonged to

756
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.480
a discontinued Hushpuppies shoe called the orbital. The factory in

757
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.760
China made a pair of the shoes for comparison. The

758
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.400
defense got the expert to admit it was possibly a

759
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.000
different shoe and the size could have been anywhere between

760
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.639
an eleven and a thirteen. There were also two prints

761
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.320
from the Franklin shoes, both a right and a left

762
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.920
shoe side. It is hard to make sense of those

763
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:03.519
shoe prins.

764
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:04.679
It is a.

765
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.559
Friend of Jason's. Jason Fitzgerald testified about Shelley and Ryan's

766
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.920
wedding weekend quote. He was upset about the argument that

767
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.159
they were having. He was up to his neck with

768
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.519
a relationship and was not willing to deal with it anymore.

769
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.920
But he also testified that they'd made up and had

770
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.559
a fun time together at the reception. Detective Sergeant Spivey

771
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.480
was the thirty seventh and final witness for the prosecution.

772
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.480
He was asked by the defense if they'd ever considered

773
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.440
Meredith as a suspect or found any of her statements contradictory.

774
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.079
He agreed that some of her statements were contradictory, but

775
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.159
they were likely the result of being overwhelmed by emotion

776
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.679
and shock. The prosecution took about two weeks to present

777
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:48.119
their case. The defense called several of Jason's family members

778
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.400
and friends to the stand, all of whom spoke to

779
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.239
his character and described him as a devoted father and

780
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.079
a good man. One of his friends from college was

781
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:59.559
asked how Jason acted when he'd been drinking. He said, quote,

782
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.519
I mean, it was pretty common knowledge that Jason, you know,

783
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:04.639
was known to get naked, and I guess to do

784
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.400
Jennet's Talia tricks, I guess is the way i'd put it.

785
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.639
You know, I'd say he was always the life of

786
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:12.960
the party, and he would whatever it took, you know,

787
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.920
to get the attention and to make sure people were laughing.

788
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.800
Jenneitalia tricks and they called I think they called them

789
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.480
dick tricks, and he was just known to like get naked.

790
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.679
I don't I don't know any more details than that,

791
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:24.159
because I don't.

792
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:25.880
I don't think I want to know any more details

793
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:27.039
of that. Wow.

794
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.719
Several people testify that Michelle and Jason fought in front

795
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.679
of them, and their fights could get nasty. Many of

796
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.280
the friends believed that they wouldn't have ended up getting

797
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:39.079
married if Michelle hadn't gotten pregnant with Cassidy. Jason's friend

798
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.119
Josh Dalton said that Jason had talked about divorce but

799
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.280
was afraid Michelle would move back to New York and

800
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.960
he'd never see cassidy. The defense only called nine witnesses

801
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.119
and wrapped up on June twenty first. We'll be back

802
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:53.039
after a break.

803
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.400
In the morning of June twenty second, as the courtroom

804
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.800
was expecting to hear closing arguments, a surprise witness was

805
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.440
called Jason Young.

806
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.480
I was shocked that he testified. I am a little

807
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.079
shocked too, a most defendants. Almost never in a murdered

808
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.960
trial does the defendant testimy well.

809
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.800
And he avoided testifying in the civil trial by not

810
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:21.199
showing up, So it seems like he didn't really want

811
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:22.239
to be under oath.

812
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.360
But yeah, exactly, And this would be the first time

813
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.320
since Michelle's death that we would hear him talk about

814
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:29.320
his version of the events at all.

815
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:33.679
The prosecutors hadn't prepared for this possibility, and they were panicked.

816
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.199
His testimony wasn't surprising. He loved his wife and daughter.

817
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.239
He hadn't been a perfect husband, but he wanted to

818
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:41.480
stay married to Michelle.

819
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.199
We're going to play a clip of his testimony. It's

820
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.719
about four and a half minutes if you want to

821
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:48.719
fast forward. But it was the only clip that I

822
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:51.400
could find of him, and I think it's pretty telling.

823
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.960
Did there come a tom when he learned that she

824
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:55.639
was pregnant?

825
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:56.440
Yes?

826
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:57.559
Ells about that.

827
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:59.320
How you found that out? What was your reaction?

828
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:04.559
Was at the town home at a Rtway that Ryan

829
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:09.679
and I had purchased, and I remember I was upstairs

830
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.920
in the bedroom and Michelle went there was the We

831
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:14.960
were in the master bedroom and there's a bathroom attached

832
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.840
to that, and I remember Michelle coming out and announcing

833
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:20.679
that she was pregnant.

834
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:22.000
What would your reaction to that?

835
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:26.159
We were both very shocked. We were both eye opening, like,

836
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:31.599
whoa it was? You know, it was a surprise. It

837
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.400
wasn't it was It wasn't planned, but it was a surprise,

838
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:35.519
but it was a good surprise.

839
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.159
Do you remember telling your mom about that? I do,

840
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.599
I do, Rob that conversation. Was that in the way

841
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:43.119
it happened?

842
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:48.079
Yes, Yes it was. I think Michelle was nervous about

843
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.000
that and she was like, you really just want to

844
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.719
tell your mom like that? And Mike, yeah, I don't.

845
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.239
I don't think Michelle knew at that point how close

846
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:58.079
like I was like, Mom, well, this will be a

847
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.079
good thing. Mom will be so excited to be a grandmama, Like,

848
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:06.360
this will be really neat thing for her. So I

849
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.360
actually was pretty excited to tell my mom.

850
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.079
Don't believe she kept five that that she told you.

851
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:12.480
Did you love her married?

852
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:13.000
Yes?

853
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:13.760
It did you?

854
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:14.920
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, it.

855
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.079
Didn't so.

856
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.360
Thinking about it in that respect, did her getting pregnant

857
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:26.039
cause you to get married?

858
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.559
No, it didn't cause us to get married. It certainly

859
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:31.800
expedited it.

860
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.639
The marriage. It sped up.

861
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.960
Absolutely, It made it happened. It made it happen sooner.

862
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.360
I think it was eventually going to happen. On my

863
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.960
schedule would probably been stretched out a little more. On

864
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.320
her schedule, it'd probably been a little sooner. So it

865
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.039
expedited both of those schedules.

866
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.519
When she became pregnant again, how'd you feel about that?

867
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:58.760
Was it ecstatic?

868
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.800
Just how long? Well not how long? But did it

869
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.960
come a time when you learned that that child was

870
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:08.679
going to be a boy?

871
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:09.320
Yes?

872
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:11.679
Tell us about that. How did you find that out?

873
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:12.599
And what was your reaction?

874
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.920
Well, we went, we went together a lot of the

875
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:17.880
appointments that there's many the appointments that I could go

876
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.800
on with her. I would go on and this was

877
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.519
this was the big one, obviously, the one finding out

878
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.000
the sex of the baby. If if you can, it

879
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.480
all depends on if the the baby will cooperate. But

880
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.800
I remember going on and then doing the procedure to

881
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:40.360
show and you're watching the screen and I just remember

882
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.440
the baby's moving in there, very active. But I remember

883
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.920
they the technician the baby turned and you could see

884
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.199
kind of the legs and you could kind of see

885
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:52.840
a little.

886
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.280
Yes. And how'd that make you think? It was?

887
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.880
I think both of us were were thrilled. It couldn't

888
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.599
be more perfect. And what I mean by that, certainly

889
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.599
is that we would have been disappointed if it was

890
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.960
a girl, because Cassidy, there's nothing that that's better than that.

891
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.960
But I think we both wanted to experience having a

892
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:20.239
girl and a boy, and it was it could have

893
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.079
been more storybook, and that's right up Michelle's alley way

894
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:24.840
she would have wanted.

895
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.960
How did you find out that she was pregnant?

896
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:38.039
It was it was typical Michelle fashion. She had she'd

897
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:46.679
planned it out and uh, I remember, Cassidy, Uh, you know,

898
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.320
in the Toddland stage Toddland into the den and and

899
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:54.039
she's she had a shirt on that Michelle Ball that said,

900
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.760
uh that said I'm going to be a big sister

901
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:04.559
and uh h, I don't even think just being the

902
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.719
non pay attention person. I don't even think it hit

903
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.280
me at first. I remember just seeing more castdy and

904
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.840
kind of thinking favorite castiy and Michelle was looking at

905
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.960
me kind of like excited, wasn't I remember looking again

906
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:22.039
and in uh, I was thrilled.

907
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.840
It's been driving me nuts. Who Jason's voice reminds me

908
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.440
of reminds me of Matt Saras and QB One for

909
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:33.039
the Dylan Panthers, my favorite show, Friday Night Lights.

910
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.880
It does real Yeah, his voice does something like that,

911
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.559
and it comes across as very sincere.

912
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.039
And I thought he did a I thought he kind

913
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:44.079
of nailed his testimony. Not that I believed him, but

914
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.320
I thought he seemed very earnest and sincere. Yeah, I

915
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.599
believe I have written here in your script coming up.

916
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.800
But at the same time, he's carrying on an affair

917
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.599
with a friend of his wife.

918
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:56.519
Oh yeah, he's a horrible person.

919
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.320
But yeah, but he comes across sounding like he was

920
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.440
very excited about the baby, all that good thing. He

921
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:04.280
said that giving up custody of Cassidy was the hardest

922
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.480
decision he had ever made, but he didn't have the

923
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.599
money to fight. His attorney asked, how has your life

924
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.199
been impacted by the death of your wife? Jason answered quote,

925
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:17.719
I've lost everything. I've lost family, friends, jobs, I've lost everything.

926
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.400
Jason held the courtroom's attention for over three hours as

927
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.679
his attorney walked him through Michelle's murder and its aftermath.

928
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.360
He came across as an earnest and broken man. When

929
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.119
the court returned from lunch, the prosecution had their turn

930
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:35.320
at Jason, but prosecutor Becky Holt seemed ill prepared. She

931
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:39.280
only questioned Jason for fifty two minutes. Her cross examination

932
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.239
lacked the intensity and emotion one might expect. She didn't

933
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.559
drill him on all of the circumstantial evidence and the timeline.

934
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:51.599
Jason was calm, polite, unflappable. Really, his attorneys breathed a

935
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.760
sigh of relief. Their client had held up under pressure,

936
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.159
and it appeared the state had failed to meet its

937
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:58.039
burden of proof.

938
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.440
I so badly for the prosecute here. They had no

939
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.519
idea he was going to testify, and the fact that

940
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:09.159
she only went at him for fifty three minutes is shocking.

941
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.559
Really, I feel bad for them, but I don't know,

942
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:13.519
they should be prepared for that. I know it's very

943
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.960
unlikely that the defendant is going to testify, but I

944
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.239
feel like, just after listening to this story up until

945
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:21.199
this point, I could have asked him, you know, some

946
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.159
hard hitting questions just based on that.

947
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:25.840
Only you would have been there. I know, but remember

948
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:28.719
Jason had he had access to all the files, all

949
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:32.079
of the discovery, and he'd been in jail for eighteen months.

950
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:35.599
He's a smart guy. Anything else to do, but you know,

951
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.760
really prepare what he was going to say and how

952
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.360
he would compel the jury.

953
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:41.639
Yeah, that makes sense.

954
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.480
During their closing arguments, the defense focused on the seven

955
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.800
areas that they felt proved that Jason could not have

956
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.400
killed Michelle. I know you're dying to hear these. Michelle

957
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.599
had fought back, yet Jason had no marks on his body.

958
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.199
The blood, it would have been impossible for Jason to

959
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.119
not have trained and spread blood into his vehicle, clothing,

960
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.519
or hotel. I wish there was some experiment that we

961
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.679
could do because I think that I could. I could

962
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:11.199
do it. Yeah, I don't want to kill anyone, but

963
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.800
you know, I don't. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong,

964
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.320
but I feel like you could be really careful and

965
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:17.400
not transfer blood.

966
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:18.679
Maybe.

967
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:22.079
Also, there were no transfer fibers from the crime scene

968
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.280
to the Hampton Inn, like there weren't any carpet fibers

969
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.239
like either place, Like there weren't any carpet fibers that

970
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.960
hit the home from the hotel, and vice versa. The

971
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.719
cigarette butts had unknown DNA on them. There were unknown

972
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.639
fingerprints in the house on the medicine cap. I'm not

973
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:40.480
sure if we talked about this, but the jewelry box

974
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.079
also had unidentified DNA on it his phone calls. Jason

975
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.119
was too busy talking on the phone to have committed

976
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:51.880
the murders. There were fingerprints on their surveillance camera at

977
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.119
the Hampton Inn, and they weren't Jason's. There was also

978
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.519
like a water pipe right above and there was a

979
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.679
like a handprint in the dust that wasn't Jason's, but

980
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:06.079
that was likely the custodians handprint because you know, the

981
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.519
camera had been moved back for some reason. They were

982
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:11.880
not their DNA and fingerprints were not taken.

983
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:12.360
Okay.

984
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.760
The defense then went over Jason's gas purchases and the

985
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.000
mileage that he drove. They made it seem impossible that

986
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.639
Jason could have driven back to Raleigh. This part was

987
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.239
really confusing to me because they had the mileage and

988
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.679
they had, you know, a whole PowerPoint presentation about it,

989
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:30.960
but they were just trying to say they had his

990
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:34.159
purchases from you know, the night before and the next morning,

991
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.199
and they made it seem like the mileage was impossible

992
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.400
to have gotten him, you know, back to his home

993
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:42.880
and back to the Hampton Inn. So I don't know

994
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:43.440
about that.

995
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.360
Yeah, but there, but the prosecution was saying that he

996
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.320
bought gas with cash at a certain point after the

997
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:51.960
murder and before he got right.

998
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.639
And we don't know if he could have bought gas

999
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.320
somewhere else and only put a few dollars in. So

1000
00:48:56.519 --> 00:49:00.119
I think that wasn't the most compelling evidence. Yeah, the

1001
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.920
prosecution had their work set out for them to eliminate

1002
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.039
the reasonable doubt set by the defense. Prosecutor Becky Holt

1003
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.599
told the jury quote, he didn't want to be pinned down,

1004
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:12.039
but rather wanted to live life as a single person

1005
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.599
and you know that because of his actions. He has

1006
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.599
taken the stand and told you that he loved his

1007
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.400
wife and that he was working on his marriage. Everything

1008
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.440
that you have heard is contrary to that. How are

1009
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.679
you working on your marriage when you're contacting old girlfriends

1010
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.079
and telling them that they're the love of your life

1011
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.880
and you're having sex the week before in the same house,

1012
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.840
when you're involved in an affair where you talked more

1013
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:37.119
than four hundred times in a month. Jason killed Michelle

1014
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.239
because he concluded it would be worse to be divorced

1015
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.440
from Michelle than to be married. She also focused on

1016
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.519
Jason's missing Hush Puppies shoes and his strange behavior at

1017
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.280
the hotel. The jury began to deliberate on Thursday, June

1018
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.320
twenty third, twenty eleven, at three pm. They worked for

1019
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.280
two hours before calling you a day. On Friday, after lunch,

1020
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:01.199
the jury asked for several pictures from surveillance cameras, including

1021
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.719
the cracker barrel were Jason eight when he checked into

1022
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:07.360
the hotel, and pictures of Cassidy's third birthday party. At

1023
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:09.960
the party, he's seen to be wearing this sweater with

1024
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:14.119
a light stripe, which the defense said was the same

1025
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.119
sweater that he'd been seen on the surveillance camera at

1026
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.480
the Hampton Inn after he'd changed clothes. Do you know

1027
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:23.239
what I'm talking about? Vaguely, his that shirt disappeared. They

1028
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.239
didn't know where it went. But then they were like, oh,

1029
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:27.719
but it was. He was wearing it at Cassidy's third

1030
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:32.239
birthday party months later, right exactly, But it wasn't the

1031
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:34.599
same sweater. One had a zipper and the other one

1032
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.599
just looked like a crew Nex sweater. They asked to

1033
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.199
review the transcript of Merediths call to nine one one,

1034
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.840
DNA lab records, the printouts from eBay and map quest,

1035
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:47.000
and Jason September two thousand and six email to his

1036
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.239
ex fiance. So the jury was really on it seems

1037
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.679
like it. They did not reach a verdict on Friday.

1038
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.760
On Monday, a note was passed to the judge. He

1039
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.199
asked the four attorneys to join him in his chambers

1040
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.400
to read them the note. Quote. Over the weekend, I

1041
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.280
have looked up the responsibilities of the jury four person

1042
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.360
one that stuck out was to act as a mediator

1043
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.880
and manager of this group of jurors. Unfortunately, at this

1044
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.719
time we are at an impasse and appear to be

1045
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:18.039
immovably hung. We sit currently at a six to six

1046
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.239
ratio and do not appear to be able to make

1047
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.840
any further movement. Where do we go from here? Six

1048
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:28.880
to six to six? Like that is a hung jury,

1049
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:32.199
I'll say, Becky Hold asked the judge to deliver the

1050
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:34.679
Allen charge? Do you remember what the Allen charges?

1051
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:35.320
Not?

1052
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:35.719
Really?

1053
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.440
The Allen charge, also known as the Dynamite charge, is

1054
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.119
a special instruction a judge gives to a dead block jury,

1055
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.559
urging them to continue deliberating and to try to reach

1056
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.280
a unanimous verdict. It encourages jurors and the minority to

1057
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:54.480
reconsider their positions without abandoning their honest beliefs, in the

1058
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:56.440
interest of reaching a consensus.

1059
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.920
In this case, there are no jurors in the minority

1060
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:00.840
exactly Yeah.

1061
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:03.480
Judge Stevens called the jury back to the courtroom and

1062
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:05.960
urged them to make one final effort to reach a

1063
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:09.840
unanimous decision. He asked them to come together as reasonable

1064
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:13.199
men and women and try to reconcile their differences if

1065
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:17.280
they could, without compromising their deeply held beliefs. However, he

1066
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:21.280
was clear no juror should abandon their honest convictions about

1067
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.000
the way or impact of the evidence just to align

1068
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.280
with others or simply reach a verdict. He reminded them

1069
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.679
that they were in a unique position, having hurt all

1070
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:33.199
of the evidence firsthand. No one else was more qualified

1071
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.239
than them to make the decision. If they couldn't agree,

1072
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.760
the case would be retried from the beginning with a

1073
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:42.360
new jury. I always feel for the juries in this position.

1074
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:43.280
A lot of pressure.

1075
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.400
Yeah, because you've listened to this testimony for weeks, maybe

1076
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:50.000
you get to know the victim, and I think it's really.

1077
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:51.599
Well and you know, if you can't come up with

1078
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:53.320
a verdict, they're going to have to do it all

1079
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.599
over again. It's a huge amount of time, money, resources,

1080
00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.800
And yeah, there's got to be a ton of pressure

1081
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:00.880
to come to a consensus.

1082
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.239
But I can imagine too, Like, I'm a pretty stubborn person,

1083
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.119
and I don't think I would It would be hard

1084
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.400
to persuade me the other way if I am leaning,

1085
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.199
you know, if I'm leaning towards guilty, I don't think

1086
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.280
you would be able to convince me that he was innocent.

1087
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:16.000
Yeah.

1088
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.039
The jury returned to the deliberation room when the judge

1089
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.320
checked in with them before lunch. After several hours had passed,

1090
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:26.840
they remained deadlocked six to six. Judge Stevens told the jurors,

1091
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.480
if they were unanimous that they were unable to reach

1092
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.199
a verdict, he declare a mistrial. They talked for a

1093
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.559
few more minutes before reporting back to the judge that

1094
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:38.199
they would keep trying. The four persons said, quote, the

1095
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.679
jury feels the seriousness of the consequences here. We owe

1096
00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:43.719
it to the court that we have a little bit

1097
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:46.639
more work to do. But at four of am, the

1098
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.159
jury sent the judge the following note, Your honor, we

1099
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:54.360
have made some progress, but the current eight not guilty

1100
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.039
for a guilty situation that we find ourselves in leads

1101
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.159
us to believe that we will make no furs their

1102
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.280
headway in this matter. We find ourselves deadlocked, and this

1103
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.000
time the decisions of the parties that feel the defendant

1104
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:10.000
is guilty or not guilty will not changed. They swayed

1105
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:13.440
a couple of deadlocked yeah, the jury was unanimous in

1106
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:17.119
their decision. Judge Stevens did declare a mistrial, release the jury,

1107
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.480
and set a hearing for July twentieth to decide Jason's fate,

1108
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.760
Jason was sent back to jail. So I feel like

1109
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:26.159
a public defender in this case did a really good

1110
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:27.239
job defending him.

1111
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.679
Yeah, it seems like it, But like you mentioned earlier,

1112
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.320
they weren't actually a public defender, right, They were just

1113
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:35.280
a lawyer, a defense lawyer that the court paid. They're

1114
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:36.920
paid like a yeah, they're.

1115
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:38.280
Just a percentage of their fee.

1116
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:38.880
Yeah.

1117
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:43.400
July twentieth, Wake County Assistant District Attorney Howard Cummings announced

1118
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.440
to Judge Stevens the state intended to retry Jason Young

1119
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.519
and that they could be ready by October. The judge

1120
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:54.119
set a trial date of October tenth, Michelle and Jason's

1121
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:57.800
eighth wedding anniversary. The judge set a bound of nine

1122
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.239
hundred thousand dollars. Pat Young was able to piece together

1123
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.760
the bond, and Jason was free a week later. This

1124
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.000
surprised me because if you remember, Jason didn't have money

1125
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.000
for the custody dispute, right, But I may, I guess

1126
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.760
it wasn't his mom's job to pay for that, but yeah, still,

1127
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:18.639
Jason didn't see Cassidy until October sixteenth, three months later.

1128
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.559
After the initial visit. They spent one hour together every Sunday,

1129
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.280
supervised until the trial.

1130
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.639
It took twelve days to see a jury for Jason

1131
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:31.159
Young's second trial in late January twenty twelve, as it

1132
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:34.320
was challenging to find people who hadn't already formed an opinion.

1133
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.000
It's a really long time to select a jury.

1134
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:37.119
It is.

1135
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:40.320
The final jury consisted of eight women and four men.

1136
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:43.480
After failing to secure a conviction the first time, the

1137
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:47.039
prosecution was under intense pressure, but they felt more prepared.

1138
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:50.239
They had interviewed jurors from the previous trial to better

1139
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.159
understand where their case had fallen short, and they were

1140
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.039
ready in case Jason chose to testify again. The defense

1141
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.199
faced its own pressure. If Jason took the stand, they

1142
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.880
knew the prosecution would be ready with a much tougher

1143
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.559
cross examination. This time, prosecutor Becky Holt came out more aggressive.

1144
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.920
Her opening statement was twice as long and her questioning

1145
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.960
more detailed and strategic. Meredith Fisher remained on the stand

1146
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.880
for three full days. The woman who had previously identified

1147
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:22.320
Jason at a gas station, though largely discredited during the

1148
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.880
first trial, once again proved to be an unreliable witness

1149
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.519
for the prosecution. She struggled to recall details clearly, saying, quote,

1150
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.920
I have been through a lot of stuff myself, so

1151
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:35.679
my brain I can't remember half of what went on,

1152
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.519
and that I can sometimes because I've been through a

1153
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.760
lot with myself since six Yeah, that doesn't seem like

1154
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:44.159
the best idea to put her on the stand together.

1155
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:48.280
She also disclosed that a serious head injury she suffered

1156
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.719
as a toddler had impacted her growth and development. Had

1157
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:55.800
her testimony been more consistent, it could have significantly strengthened

1158
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:56.679
the state's case.

1159
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:01.000
That's so tough. It really is the whole thing open.

1160
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:05.280
Everyone was so excited and optimistic when they found her

1161
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:07.519
in the first place, but then they just tore her

1162
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:09.159
apart in the witness stand.

1163
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.599
And so disappointing that the security cameras at the gas

1164
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:15.519
station weren't working that night too. The prosecution also replayed

1165
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.000
Jason's full three hour testimony from the first trial, but

1166
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.920
this time they systematically broke it down and challenged key points.

1167
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:27.880
Digging deeper, prosecutors introduced new witnesses, friends of Michelle, who

1168
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.079
helped paint a fuller picture of her relationship with Jason.

1169
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:35.039
One testified that when Michelle first told Jason she was pregnant,

1170
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.000
he encouraged her to have an abortion. Another recalled Michelle's

1171
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.320
excitement after a previous miscarriage when she learned that she

1172
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.960
was pregnant again. To share the news, she dressed Cassidy

1173
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.719
in a big Sister shirt. But the next day, when

1174
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:52.119
the friend asked how Jason had reacted, Michelle admitted that

1175
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.440
she hadn't gotten the response that she had hoped for.

1176
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.800
So that's a direct contradiction to what he testified. Another

1177
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.519
witness who shed light on the growing darkness inside the

1178
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:04.480
house on Birch Leaf Lane was a counselor who worked

1179
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.840
at Michelle's office. She met with Michelle only once on

1180
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:11.639
October twenty seventh, but she recalled the great emotional turmoil

1181
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:13.239
that Michelle was experiencing.

1182
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.079
So this was just a week before her murder.

1183
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:20.280
Okay, her relationship with Jason was deeply troubled. She was

1184
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:22.800
desperate to get her life back on track before their

1185
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.239
baby came. She had asked Jason to attend marriage counseling,

1186
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:29.280
but he refused, telling her that she was the cause

1187
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.599
of all their problems. Michelle told the counselor she needed

1188
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.400
to figure out how to quote fix herself and make

1189
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:39.039
things better. She also revealed that she had been sexually

1190
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:43.239
assaulted in college, and that recently Jason's sexual behavior had

1191
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:47.119
become so aggressive it was triggering her past trauma. The

1192
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.719
emotional toll was so great that she and Jason had

1193
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:54.599
stopped speaking directly, resorting instead to email Michelle's schedule to

1194
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:57.079
follow up appointment. But she was dead less than a

1195
00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:57.599
week later.

1196
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.679
That was really sad testimony. Yeah, they really telling of

1197
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:03.199
the state of their relationship too.

1198
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.679
Yeah, exactly. In the first trial, the prosecution was not

1199
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.559
allowed to bring up the wrongful death lawsuit that Linda

1200
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.960
and Meredith Fisher had won years earlier. The judge allowed

1201
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:15.440
it to be brought up during the second trial. The

1202
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:18.400
defense called most of the same witnesses except for one

1203
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.159
glaring omission, Jason Young. Why am I not surprised that

1204
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.320
he did not take the stand? On February twenty ninth,

1205
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:29.960
the defense rested. Over three weeks, sixty five witnesses testified.

1206
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.280
During closing arguments, the defense highlighted the unknown fingerprints on

1207
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:38.199
Michelle's jewelry box in the closet and on the eBay printouts.

1208
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:42.599
The prosecution argued that Jason had been abusing Michelle since

1209
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.199
they had met in one form or another, and although

1210
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:48.519
they couldn't explain every fingerprint or footprint in the Young's house,

1211
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.920
Jason was the only person who would want Michelle dad.

1212
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:56.159
The jury began their deliberations the next day, Friday, March second,

1213
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.639
twenty twelve. They left for the weekend without reaching a verdict.

1214
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.320
Later we would find out that they stood at seven

1215
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.239
guilty and five undecided. When they returned Monday, they asked

1216
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.400
to see several photos, including those from the crime scene,

1217
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.400
Jason's ford explorer, his shoes, and a diagram of the

1218
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:16.559
Hampton Inn. Near the end of the second day, just

1219
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:19.000
as all of the attorneys were worried the jury would

1220
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.480
come back as hung, they sent the judge a note

1221
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.400
saying that they had reached a verdict.

1222
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:25.199
All right, look at me, what do you think is

1223
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:25.880
going to happen?

1224
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:29.159
Well, I'm going to say guilty only because we originally

1225
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.280
said that they were. I can't remember what the numbers,

1226
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:34.039
but was like eight guilty, four undecided or something like that.

1227
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:38.079
As the verdict was read, Jason sat emotionless and still

1228
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:42.599
guilty of first degree murder. The judge, who after the

1229
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.599
civil suit and two trials, knew Jason Young very well,

1230
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.320
spoke his mind while addressing Jason after the verdict was read. Quote,

1231
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.920
the court's assessment of the evidence in this case is

1232
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:56.840
actually pretty simple. This is a domestic violence homicide case.

1233
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:01.719
He described seeing the quote fingerprints of domestic violence throughout

1234
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:06.039
the relationship, which he believed had deteriorated from disagreements to

1235
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.599
irreconcilable differences, with Jason having made it clear that he

1236
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.159
was done with the marriage. The judge said it was

1237
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.880
a relationship where a traumatic outcome wasn't just possible, it

1238
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:18.039
was almost inevitable.

1239
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:19.000
Quote.

1240
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:21.639
If Michelle had called the police with missing teeth, a

1241
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:25.000
broken nose, and black eyes, no one who knew this couple,

1242
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:28.599
including their closest friends, would have been surprised. So why

1243
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.679
would anyone be surprised when Michelle Young was found beaten

1244
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:34.800
to death. The pattern is the same. This case is

1245
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.679
like so many other domestic violence cases that have played

1246
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:41.360
out in this courtroom over the years. He noted that

1247
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:44.480
Jason had the presence of mind to remove Michelle's wedding

1248
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:48.519
and engagement rings, perhaps in the judge's words quote, because

1249
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.800
he believed she no longer deserved to wear them. He

1250
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:55.320
had the motive, he had the opportunity, and the circumstances

1251
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:57.920
of the crime scene point directly to him. I have

1252
01:01:58.000 --> 01:01:59.840
no quarrel with this jury's verdict.

1253
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:03.199
I think the judge at this point really hated Jason

1254
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:05.159
him to pay for his crime.

1255
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.559
Yeah. He then sentenced Jason Young to life in prison

1256
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.400
without the possibility of parole. The jury four person later

1257
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.719
told the media that their verdict came down to a

1258
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.920
few things, quote, the lack of the shirt, the lack

1259
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.679
of the shoes, the fact that he didn't talk. This

1260
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.559
is a man who is on trial for his life

1261
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.559
and didn't even say I am not guilty. She also

1262
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.440
mentioned Cassidy being cleaned up, which pointed to Jason as well.

1263
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:33.000
But we're not done yet. There was an appeal, of course,

1264
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.800
that began immediately. Jason's attorney wrote in their fifty two

1265
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:41.199
page brief that it was inappropriate for Judge Stevens to

1266
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:44.719
allow any mention from this civil trial or the judgment

1267
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:49.119
against Jason. In fact, it's against North Carolina law to

1268
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:52.119
mention a civil ruling in a criminal court.

1269
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:53.960
I kind of thought that at the time that you

1270
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:56.559
said that because especially because he didn't show up for

1271
01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:58.480
the civil trial, and it was kind of like a

1272
01:02:58.480 --> 01:02:59.840
almost a ruling.

1273
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:00.440
Yeah.

1274
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.039
On April first, twenty fourteen, the Court of Appeals issued

1275
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:08.519
a unanimous decision overturning the verdict in the second trial

1276
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:12.320
and ordering a third. Jason remained in prison at the

1277
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:17.000
Alexander Correctional Institution in the mountains of Taylorsville, North Carolina,

1278
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:21.159
but in May twenty fifteen, the state's seventh Supreme Court

1279
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:26.239
justices reviewed the Appellate Court's ruling. Their decision wasn't announced

1280
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:30.679
until August twenty fifteen. They overturned the Appellate Court's ruling

1281
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:35.440
Jason would not be given a third trial. In twenty seventeen,

1282
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:39.119
Jason again tried to appeal the sentence, citing ineffective council

1283
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.039
in his earlier trials, but his motion was struck down,

1284
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:47.880
so he remains in jail. The Prudential Insurance Company paid

1285
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.480
out four point two five million dollars. Seventy five percent

1286
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:53.719
of the money was put in a trust for Cassidy,

1287
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:57.000
and the other twenty five percent went towards attorney fees.

1288
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.519
Alan Fisher, Michelle's dad, once close to Jason and came

1289
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:03.239
to believe he killed his daughter. He died of prostate

1290
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:06.000
cancer in July two thousand and eight. Do you think

1291
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:07.280
I can get through this next bit?

1292
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:07.880
Probably not.

1293
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:10.880
Michelle Fisher Young was just twenty nine years old when

1294
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.559
her life was stolen far too soon. She was a

1295
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.599
devoted mother of a loved daughter and sister, and a

1296
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:20.679
woman full of promise. Friends and family describe her as driven, intelligent,

1297
01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:23.800
and full of warmth, someone who balanced her career with

1298
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.960
deep love for her family. Cassidy was just two years

1299
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.400
old at the time of her murder. It's heartbreaking to

1300
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.599
think how many holidays, birthdays, and all the quiet moments

1301
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.360
in between that Michelle had missed, as missed. No matter

1302
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.719
how deeply a child is loved by others, there's something

1303
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:42.119
irreplaceable about a mother's love. It's bottomless. The bond begins

1304
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:46.400
before birth and never truly ends. Our hearts break for Cassidy.

1305
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:48.960
To Michelle and Ryland, we speak your names, we tell

1306
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:51.079
your story, and we remember the life that you lived

1307
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.280
and the love that you gave. Rest in peace, Michelle

1308
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:56.559
and Rylan. I have some questions for you. Okay, did

1309
01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:59.320
the jury get it right? Were the jurors influenced by

1310
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.159
emotion and rather than evidence.

1311
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:04.559
That's a good question. I mean, I have mixed feelings

1312
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.760
about this case. Yeah, I really do think he did it,

1313
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:09.000
but I a lot like some of the other cases

1314
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.239
we've done, I'm not sure if there was enough evidence.

1315
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:15.320
It seemed like there was contradictory evidence in some ways

1316
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:19.400
as well, So I don't know. I can't say the

1317
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:21.320
jury didn't get it right because I didn't sit through

1318
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.119
all that testimony and listen to all the evidence. But

1319
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.840
I do wonder if there would have been enough for

1320
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.159
me to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt.

1321
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.239
I think there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, and in

1322
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:35.079
my opinion, there was enough evidence to get to a

1323
01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:35.800
guilty version.

1324
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.159
Yeah, what was the most compelling evidence in your opinion?

1325
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:43.280
That's a fair question. His behavior at the hotel just

1326
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:46.320
doesn't make sense, you know. He the key card to

1327
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:49.119
me was like remember that, he said, Well, I didn't

1328
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.559
want to disturb anyone. That's why I left the door

1329
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.119
cracked open a little bit. That's just odd. I don't

1330
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.800
think people would do that, especially if you're you leave

1331
01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:59.199
your room and go to your car and smoke a

1332
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:02.960
cigar for several minutes. Yeah, and also the whole eBay

1333
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:06.920
coach purse story that just didn't add up. He literally

1334
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:11.480
took the map quest directions but left the eBay printouts. Yeah,

1335
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:13.960
he would have had to, you know, shuffle through the papers.

1336
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:15.639
And I mean there's just a lot to me that

1337
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:19.400
I don't know. I get to it guilty pretty quickly. Yeah,

1338
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:21.239
and there's no motive for anyone else. That was my

1339
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:21.840
next question.

1340
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:22.280
That's true.

1341
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:24.800
Is there any evidence that pointed to another suspect.

1342
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:26.920
No, it doesn't seem like it. I mean, her sister

1343
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.880
is really the only other one that you could even

1344
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.760
imagine might have done it, just based on her like

1345
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.599
whereabouts that night and everything. But it just seems so

1346
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:38.159
unlikely to me that she would. She had no motive,

1347
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:39.840
and yeah, wouldn't have done that.

1348
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:42.559
I think that the law law enforcement did a good

1349
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:45.440
job in this case. I think their investigation seemed to

1350
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:49.039
be pretty thorough. Some people have said that the timeline

1351
01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:52.079
is too tight, but to me, the timeline fits like

1352
01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:54.199
perfectly because I remember he had I think it was

1353
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:56.559
six and a half hours because he left it at

1354
01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:58.760
midnight and he didn't get back to the hotel probably

1355
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:00.599
till six thirty, Right, that.

1356
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.360
Was how far away was the hotel from his home?

1357
01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:06.119
Well, with no traffic, it would have been two hours

1358
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:07.320
and twenty five minutes.

1359
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:09.360
Which in the middle of the night, there's probably no traffic.

1360
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:10.880
Right, And maybe he could have even we don't know

1361
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:12.920
how fast he drove, and he could have been going

1362
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:14.480
eighty five miles an hour, So.

1363
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:17.679
Even conservatively, he would have had five hours from the

1364
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:20.800
time he left the Hampton Inn, went back home and.

1365
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:22.800
We believe committed the murderers and a half hours.

1366
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:23.880
Yeah, so plenty of time.

1367
01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:27.400
Really, did investigators have tunnel vision? They really didn't have

1368
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:28.800
any other suspects.

1369
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:31.199
I mean, it doesn't seem like there were any other.

1370
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:34.280
Suspects that were violent, but she had no enemies. Everyone

1371
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:34.719
loved her.

1372
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:35.480
Yeah.

1373
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:38.239
If Jason had taken the stand at the second trial,

1374
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:39.679
do you think it would have made a difference.

1375
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:41.920
No, I think it would have been worse for him.

1376
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:43.559
Yeah, because the prosecution was ready.

1377
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.480
Yeah, and in reality they played the testimonies from the

1378
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:48.599
first trial, which was the best he could have hoped

1379
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.320
to have done on the stand. So no, I think

1380
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:52.360
it would have hurt him.

1381
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.519
The next question is a tough one. Should Jason have

1382
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.760
been granted a retrial based on the judge's decision to

1383
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:01.760
a low discussion of the uncle death lawsuit, in which

1384
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.239
he declared him Michelle's murderer.

1385
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:07.159
I kind of think, so, I mean to be honest

1386
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:10.559
with you, because I think the civil trial it didn't

1387
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:13.440
it doesn't prove anything one way or another. It's fifty

1388
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.920
to fifty, you know, so I think that seemed a

1389
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:18.000
little unfair to me.

1390
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:23.520
I agree that information was highly prejudicial, and because it

1391
01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:26.439
was the same judge, right, and I think a juror

1392
01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:30.039
a jury really comes to look at the judge is like,

1393
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:33.880
I think, like a fatherly failure. And because that was

1394
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.319
the same judge, they were like, well.

1395
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:38.039
You know the judge found he said so then.

1396
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:42.359
Yeah, even though it was a default, right, it's still

1397
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:44.039
to me it was just like, oh, I don't know.

1398
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:48.640
I was surprised when the court overturned the appellate ruling,

1399
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:51.960
because yeah, it did seem pretty prejudicial.

1400
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:57.039
Cassidy was extremely smart for her age, and you can

1401
01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:58.680
tell if you remember the nine to one one call.

1402
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:03.359
You could hear talking like yeah, and its sentences. Some

1403
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:07.439
people said that she should have been brought to a

1404
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:10.359
psychologist and questioned, what do you think about that?

1405
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:12.239
I don't know how much she would have gotten out

1406
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:14.880
of that, and it maybe wouldn't have been a bad idea,

1407
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:16.359
but I.

1408
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:17.640
Think it a horrible idea. She was a.

1409
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:21.079
Baby, well, I mean, but a psychologist would hopefully be

1410
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:24.720
able to treat her appropriately and you know, help her

1411
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:26.520
in some ways even but I don't think it would

1412
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:28.079
have helped the case either way.

1413
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:30.880
All Right, My last question for you is who how

1414
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:33.800
did Cassidy get clean? How is she so clean?

1415
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:37.000
Well, I think Jason must have washed her up, like

1416
01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:39.920
I think he must have cleaned her cleaned her up

1417
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.720
after he's such a thought.

1418
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:46.840
I think that Cassidy could have walked into the room something.

1419
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:48.800
I mean, it's the only thing that makes sense. If

1420
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:51.720
if there were bloody footprints of Cassidy's in the room,

1421
01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:53.880
I can't imagine what else made sense.

1422
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:55.800
You don't know if they were in the room. I

1423
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:57.680
know they were in the I have pictures of the bathroom.

1424
01:09:57.720 --> 01:09:58.920
She was definitely in the bathroom.

1425
01:09:59.119 --> 01:09:59.359
Huh.

1426
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:01.199
This is going to sound crazy, but I wonder if

1427
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.039
she could have cleaned herself up. There was a step

1428
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:07.039
stool like pulled up to the sink. Yeah, and maybe

1429
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:09.119
she could have. I don't know, Maybe that's too crazy

1430
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:11.119
because it was definitely a footprint, so I don't know

1431
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:12.439
if she would have thought to wash.

1432
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:16.800
Her seems unlikely to me, just because assuming Jason did

1433
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:21.199
kill Michelle, he would have seen Cassidy there and he

1434
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:23.439
would have, you know, if he drugged her, which it

1435
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.640
sounds like he did, Like he wouldn't have let her

1436
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.479
be walking around the bathroom cleaning herself. Like it seems

1437
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:30.920
like he drugged her, made sure she was asleep, and

1438
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.199
then probably headed back to the Hampton Inn.

1439
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.880
Maybe I think it's possible also that Meredith, her aunt,

1440
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:39.720
cleaned her up and she was in such a state

1441
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:43.479
of shock that it was just a default, because.

1442
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:45.920
Washing the pajamas is just like instinct to you just

1443
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:46.199
do it.

1444
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:48.680
Like she might not have remembered because she was just

1445
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:52.359
like so traumatized by the events and she was you know,

1446
01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:54.800
she used to be Cassidy's nanny and she was like, oh,

1447
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.039
we just need to clean her up, and not remembered.

1448
01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:00.199
It possible. Do you know anything about Cassidy's life now

1449
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.640
or how old would she be at this point?

1450
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.359
I think she's twenty one, Okay, I did do a

1451
01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:08.520
brief search, but since we've been doing the podcast, I

1452
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.039
think we're always curious, like, well, what happened to the children,

1453
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:13.439
But I've kind of come to a different conclusion, like

1454
01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:16.560
it's really none of our business. Yeah, if Cassidy wanted

1455
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:19.359
to be public, she'd be public. I did find one

1456
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:22.840
picture of her. She's beautiful and she's in college, and

1457
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:24.359
that's all we need to know. I hope she's I

1458
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:25.159
hope she's doing well.

1459
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:25.880
Yeah, me too.

1460
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.640
My main source for this episode was a book called

1461
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:32.039
Murder on Birch Leaf Drive by Steven Epstein, and I

1462
01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:34.079
think he did a great job. It was a very

1463
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:38.279
good read. I read about a third of another book

1464
01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:42.479
called Absence of Evidence, An Examination of the Michelle Young

1465
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.279
Murder Case by Lynn Blanchford, which I believe was a

1466
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.640
self published book. Okay, oh boy, it was a bunch

1467
01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:52.119
of hooey. Really, but she really thinks that Meredith.

1468
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:56.479
Based on the title, it sounds like yeah, she Yeah.

1469
01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:58.920
One thing that sticks with me, and we've seen this

1470
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:00.720
time and time again, is how many of the men

1471
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:04.039
in these cases don't have a history of domestic violence,

1472
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:07.880
no arrests, no documented abuse, nothing that would make you

1473
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:11.239
think that they were capable of something so awful, and

1474
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:15.039
that makes it so unsettling. Although in this case, Jason

1475
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.399
was had been aggressive with his exchiance, I don't know

1476
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.239
if anyone else knew that, and everyone knew that he

1477
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:24.159
and Michelle fought a lot. I always think about Chris Watts,

1478
01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:28.199
who was quiet and unassuming with picture perfect family. No

1479
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:30.920
one saw it coming. It forces us to sit with

1480
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.920
the uncomfortable idea that danger doesn't always come with warning signs.

1481
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:37.600
Sometimes the people closest to you, the ones that you

1482
01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:40.439
share your life with, are the ones hiding the darkest

1483
01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:44.960
part of themselves. And here's the most disturbing part. Homicide

1484
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.319
is the number one cause of death for pregnant women.

1485
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:51.199
There's so many things that can go wrong in a pregnancy,

1486
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:53.600
but homicide remains the number one cause.

1487
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:55.800
That's just shocking, incredible.

1488
01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:58.960
Being pregnant should it should be a protective state like

1489
01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:01.720
as a like. Everyone should want to protect a pregnant woman,

1490
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:03.479
especially if it's your own baby.

1491
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:05.800
Absolutely, that should be the last thing you have to

1492
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:06.359
worry about.

1493
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:09.319
Michelle Young was five months pregnant when she was killed,

1494
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.359
and tragically, her story is not the exception as part

1495
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:23.079
of a devastating pattern. So you'll be happy to know

1496
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:25.760
that you are nothing like Jason Young.

1497
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:28.479
I didn't think I was.

1498
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:32.479
Well, I'm glad to hear the baby laugh was when

1499
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:37.119
they found his DSW history that he bought four pair

1500
01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:40.560
of shoes at one time. Wow, can you imagine?

1501
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:41.720
I can't imagine that.

1502
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.000
I've never You probably don't buy four pair of shoes

1503
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:47.840
in a year. No, No, definitely not, and never on

1504
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.880
your own MC. Where's the lost time? You were like,

1505
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:54.199
you know, I need to I'm gonna go shoe shopping without.

1506
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:56.680
My wife once or twice only when I've needed like

1507
01:13:56.920 --> 01:13:59.239
shoes for a particular work you know.

1508
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.279
Thing twice in twenty five years.

1509
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:02.359
Yeah, exactly.

1510
01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:05.239
The other day, I actually, I think it was for

1511
01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:07.239
Father's Day. I got you a new pair of birke

1512
01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:07.720
and stocks.

1513
01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:08.960
You did, and I threw.

1514
01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:12.159
Year old ones away. I was like, holy cow, they were.

1515
01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:13.880
Ye.

1516
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:15.680
How many pair of shoes do you think you own?

1517
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.119
I want to? I think I feel like I own

1518
01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:21.000
a fair number of shoes. I don't wear them, like,

1519
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:25.000
I only wear maybe two pair of shoes or three regularly.

1520
01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:25.680
Wow.

1521
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:27.720
Yeah, how many pair of shoes do you think I own?

1522
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.279
A lot, like, just give me.

1523
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:33.119
A just one hundred and twenty five.

1524
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:34.079
It's horrible.

1525
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:36.199
Oh yeah, that's about right.

1526
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.279
I don't I'm not even I'm embarrassed, but I'm old.

1527
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:40.600
I'm an old, old woman.

1528
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:44.600
Shoes, shoes, and your shoes stop or your feet stop

1529
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.319
growing once you're an adult. So it's not like shoes

1530
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:49.479
you bought thirty years ago wouldn't still be.

1531
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:53.000
I think I do have my wedding shoes, but those

1532
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:55.920
are probably yeah, those are definitely the older shoes I own.

1533
01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:59.520
But yeah, it's humbling. I think of the movie mister

1534
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:01.920
McGrory Magic Imporium. I think that's what it was called

1535
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:03.520
all the time. Do you know what moving I'm talking about?

1536
01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:06.439
I remember vague, Yeah, I mean I remember the movie.

1537
01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:09.560
I don't remember the shoe is he played by Dustin Hoffman. Yeah,

1538
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:13.520
Dustin Hoffman. Right, at some point in the movie he dies,

1539
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:16.159
but it was because he bought like a hundred pair

1540
01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:18.680
of the same shoes and he was like, well, once

1541
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:22.399
the last pair of shoes are gone, it's time for

1542
01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:25.680
me to exit. And so like, I recently realized that

1543
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:29.039
I only have two feet and I don't even really

1544
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:31.880
go out that much anymore. I really don't need so

1545
01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.760
many shoes, so I've curbed my shoe purchasing a little bit.

1546
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:37.479
Have you You don't believe.

1547
01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:39.319
Me, No, I believe it. I believe you.

1548
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:40.960
I mean I don't know a lot. I mean most

1549
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:43.399
of my shoes are older. But yeah, it's it's kind

1550
01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:45.880
of gross how many shoes I have. So curious how

1551
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:49.560
many shoes our listeners have? So let us know, because

1552
01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:53.680
am I normal? Am I not throwing things away enough?

1553
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:54.239
I don't know.

1554
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:56.760
I am guessing you are not out of the ordinary

1555
01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:59.000
when it comes to the number of shoes, But I

1556
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:01.640
don't know either, I could be wrong, So yeah, yeah,

1557
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:02.159
let us know.

1558
01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:07.279
Part of it is I love sneakers and they just

1559
01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:09.359
really give me a lot of joy. And I have

1560
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:12.359
a hard time throwing getting rid of the not like

1561
01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:14.119
the ones that I work out in. Those you know

1562
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.600
you get rid of, but the ones you know I have.

1563
01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:21.600
I have a process. I buy, I buy like shoes

1564
01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:24.199
to work out in, and they generally don't leave the

1565
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:27.319
house because I usually work out indoors. And then ones

1566
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:29.279
I buy a new pair of shoes to work out in,

1567
01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:32.439
those shoes become my just going out and you know,

1568
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:35.520
walking around shoes right, very efficient.

1569
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:38.760
You're good to take on vacation because you're a lack

1570
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:41.359
of shoes in the suitcase. Sometimes I can make room

1571
01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:43.000
for my extra shoes.

1572
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:44.680
Yeah, yeah, we work well together.

1573
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:47.079
Before we go, I wanted to mention that The New

1574
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:51.000
York Times has recently published their top one hundred films

1575
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:54.079
of the twenty first century. Oh yeah, always looking for

1576
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:54.880
something to watch.

1577
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:56.159
It's a long way to go.

1578
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:59.239
Right, but still it's great to have a list of yeah,

1579
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.399
top films. So we'll post that in our show notes

1580
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:04.880
so you guys can access it. They also found, I

1581
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.520
think it was last summer they post their like top

1582
01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:09.840
one hundred books, so if you're looking for like a

1583
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:12.000
beach read or actually there's probably not many beach reads

1584
01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:14.199
on there. But so, do you remember what the number

1585
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:17.000
one movie was? I don't Parasite.

1586
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:19.359
Oh see, I actually didn't even look. I looked at

1587
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:20.760
the first part of the list, but I can get

1588
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:22.800
all the way through it, so I didn't realize Parasite

1589
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:23.319
was number one.

1590
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:24.359
But that is number one.

1591
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:25.560
Great. I love them.

1592
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:27.159
I love that movie. We loved it so much. We

1593
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:29.960
saw it twice at the theater, which we never do, right,

1594
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.760
so I don't know if it's the number one movie,

1595
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:33.199
but it's a great movie.

1596
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:33.600
Yeah.

1597
01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:37.520
Number two is Mulholland Dry, also a really interesting.

1598
01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:39.319
I wouldn't have even thought that was the twenty first century.

1599
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:41.399
I thought that was that was must have been in

1600
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:42.239
the early two.

1601
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:44.880
Thousand and one. Yeah, there will be blood number three

1602
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:47.479
in that Mood to Love, which I don't know that

1603
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:52.000
one Moonlight, No Country for Old Men, Eternal Sunshine of

1604
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:56.359
the Spotless Mind, Get Out, Spirited Away, and the Social Network.

1605
01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:57.279
Those are the top ten.

1606
01:17:57.399 --> 01:17:59.720
Oh, we've seen like almost not quite all of those,

1607
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:01.880
but probably seven or eight out of the time, I've.

1608
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.760
Seen all of them except for in the Mood for Love.

1609
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:06.640
Yeah, and it's a good list though.

1610
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.720
Yeah. I'm excited to find some new things on this

1611
01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:12.479
Yeah for sure, because we don't watch as many movies

1612
01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:15.520
as we used to because we are always working on

1613
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:16.319
the podcast.

1614
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:18.560
We should you need to sign time for movies?

1615
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:23.079
We both, Yeah, definitely, but not as much as Love Island.

1616
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:24.399
I love a reality.

1617
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:26.199
You should just keep coming back to Love Island.

1618
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:28.600
Well, thank you all so much for listening. We hope

1619
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:29.960
you enjoyed this episode.

1620
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:34.000
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1622
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