Molly Watson and James Addie

0:00 Hi, I'm Rich and I'm Tina. And if there's one thing we've learned, and over twenty years of marriage, some. Days you'll feel like killing your husband and. Some days you'll feel like killing your wife. Welcome to love, Mary. Kill, Hey Tina, Hey Rich? How are you? I've been better? How are you? You have been better? I'm doing all right. I'm hanging in there, but I feel bad for you. How is your vacation? We had two different vacations. We kind of did have two different vacations. We just got back last night. Yeah, from Maine where we spent a week and you spent a lot of it in bed.

0:45 Yeah. I got COVID and you didn't, and neither did the kids. So I'm happy to take one for the team. And I hope you guys don't get it. But we did make the crazy decision to record today, but we are as distanced as we can be in this room. Yeah. Well, you are a trooper. You win a gold star for the day for showing up, so I appreciate it. Well, I didn't want to let you down, and I know a lot of people look forward to our Monday episodes, so I didn't want to leave anyone hanging and our patrons. You know, they usually get early access, and I feel really bad that they're not getting early access this week because we didn't have an episode ready to go, which we should have before we left.

1:26 Well, we will talk a little bit more about our vacation at the end of the episode, but before we get into the episode, I do have a snack for you. I ran out to the gas station this morning because I know we just got home and we didn't really have any. No food in the house. I also want to give a shout out to Tim, who stayed at the house with our cats. Yeah. Tim doesn't listen to our podcast, I don't think, but his mom Asha does, so huge thank you to him because we were Cosmo still isn't quite back to himself and we were really nervous to leave him. So a big thank you to Tim. Yeah, that was super nice staying at the house and taking care of the babies. Yeah. Do you want to know what snack I brought you? Yes, I made you a lobster roll. Oh god, not just kidding.

2:09 I went to the gas station and I bought some popcorn, some cheddar cheese popcorn, Cabot brand. Seriously sharp cheddar cheese. I want to try it? Sure? All right? What did you think about the Cabots brand? Seriously sharp cheddar popcorn? And I'm a big fan of Cabbot cheese in general. I think it's good stuff. But that was just kind of okay for me. I have not lost my sense of smell or taste gratefully, but I have no appetite, so that could be part of it. I do love it either, I was just sort of like it was. The flavor was good. But the generally I'm not a big fan of bagged popcorn because I like fresh pop popcorn.

2:51 Yeah. Well, I'm going to give it a six out of ten. What do you think? Oh, I'm sure six out of ten. Okay, I think I probably would go five at it because it's it's just average to me. The thing, well, how about we get to today's case so we can get you back to bed and resting. Okay. Mollie Watson, age thirty five, was getting married to the love of her life, James Addie, fifty one, and she couldn't have been more excited. The two had been dating for over six years before they finally got engaged. The wedding arrangements were all set for Sunday, April twenty ninth, twenty eighteen, at the Stony Creek Hotel in Columbia, Missouri. On Friday the twenty seventh, two days before the big day, everything was nearly finalized. The final guest list was sent to the event coordinator, seating charts were locked in, and the caterer was ready with the menu for the event, a choice of barbecue or prime rib for dinner and fruit cobbler for dessert. Molly had designed and made the centerpieces herself, hummingbird candles in a glass hurricane on a base of wood. On that Friday, James stopped by the venue to drop off some decorations and to make a four thousand dollars payment, which nearly finished paying for the wedding and the reception. The event coordinator asked James if he was getting excited for the wedding. He just said that Molly was driving him crazy. Not surprising, though, I'm sure a lot of brides to be drive their future husbands a little crazy before the big day. In our case, of course, but I've heard that that happens.

4:19 I thought I was the calmest bride. Ever you were actually, but Mollie would not live to see her special day. That Friday night, she was found dead on a desolate dirt road in rural Monroe County. The investigation into her death would uncover secrets that would forever change the lives of everyone in James and Molly's orbit. Mollie Watson grew up in Monroe County, Missouri, a rural area an hour north of Columbia, about midway between Kansas City and Saint Louis, best known as the birthplace of Mark Twain. Monroe County was mostly nature, rolling farmland, the Mark Twain National Forest, and the Missouri River, which forms its eastern boundary, lots of dirt roads, and not many people.

5:02 The entire county has only about nine thousand people, and eighteen hundred of them are prisoners in the Moberly Correctional Center, which is also the area's biggest employer. Molly's older brother Tim described her as his best friend. He said that he actually was the one who suggested the name Molly to their parents. She was a completely authentic and genuine person, if maybe a bit naive and too trusting. It didn't matter who she was around, she was just herself, happy, bubbly, outgoing and always laughing. But why don't we let Molly introduce herself. This is from a video she made in twenty seventeen, about a year before her death, for a vlog that she started. I figured I would just kind of give a little bit of background on me, so you kind of get to know me. I am thirty four. I work in education right now. I have two degrees in socology, a bachelor's and a master's. I'm working on a third, not a well a third degree second masters in counseling. And I am very much a huge geek. I hate being called a nerd because, as I have always heard it, put nerds know geeks do, so I am very much a hands on geek. I like most things geeked them.

6:30 I'm a huge fan of things like let me get this, Marvel and is Day for that matter. I love video games. I love especially. Two of my favorites are the Legend of Zelda franchise and the Metroid franchise. I do like to do cosplay. I took about a ten yearish hiatus and I'm getting back into it now. I am what. Is was formerly known as. Asperger syndrome.

7:12 It's a form of Now they refer to it as high functioning autism. So if I seem awkward in the videos, now you know why. So I'll catch you guys later and bye. Well Molly sounds great, Yeah she does. I didn't know the difference between a geek and a nerd. I didn't. Oh you didn't. No, I didn't believe it or not. Do you identify as either neither? No, I'm a cool guy. Oh, okay, you're right right, I'm sorry. Molly got married in her early twenties. We don't know much about this first marriage other than it ended in divorce after a few years. Before the divorce was final, in two thousand and seven, Molly met a woman named Amber Brady. I should say that she re met Amber because they had actually known each other in kindergarten. They didn't like each other at that young age, but when they ran into each other around two thousand and seven, they became friends, and soon that friendship turned to romance and love. Amber was also married to a man at this time, but both Amber's and Molly's marriages were on their way to ending. Dating another woman was a new experience for both Molly and Amber. Soon after they started dating, Molly found out she was pregnant from her estranged husband.

8:32 She and Amber moved in together. Molly gave birth to a baby boy, Declan, who was diagnosed with cerebral palsy, and the three became a family. About five years into their relationship, Molly got a job at the Moberly Correctional Center as a corrections officer. There, she met James Addie, who was a lieutenant on the corrections team. Despite the age gap of more than fifteen years, James and Molly grew close and eventually started an affair. Amber Berg began to suspect that something was up, and one day she followed Molly to a motel where she caught Molly and James during one of their trysts. Amber was heartbroken and dumped Molly on the spot. Molly and Decklan moved out and back into her parents' home, Molly and her son living on one side of the house and her mom and dad on the other. She was sad about the way things ended with Amber, but she was looking toward the future because she was head over heels in love with Jim Addie.

9:28 James Addy was born on July fourth, nineteen sixty six, which was fitting because he was patriotic and loved his country. After high school, he joined the Marines and served during Desert Storm. After his military service was complete, he held various jobs. He worked as a mechanic and spent some time working in a factory before finally getting the job at the correctional Center. He was well liked there and eventually worked his way up the ranks to become a lieutenant. James had been married four times before he and Molly met. We don't know anything about his first three marriages, but his fourth marriage was to Melanie Shepherd, who became Melanie Addie when they got married in nineteen ninety five. James and Melanie had two kids together, a boy named Ben, followed a few years later by a girl named Emma.

10:18 When Mollie started seeing James, she told her friends that he was in the process of getting a divorce from Melanie, But when Melanie and James went to get their marriage license, he put down his divorce date from Melanie as October twenty seventeen, which would mean that he had still been married to Melanie for the first five to six years of his relationship. With Mollie, but maybe it was a situation where they were separated and they just took a long time to follow through with the paperwork. As we said earlier, Mollie was head over heels for James and he was also in love with her. They took trips together, one to Cancoon and one to Disney World, and they took lots of photos that Mollie would compile into albums.

11:00 There were many pictures of the couple smiling together, swimming with dolphins, having the time of their lives. James would send Molly cards with romantic notes written inside, like you are the love of my life. Molly's nickname for James was Sweetness. Well, her name in his phone was beautiful. How am I in your phone? My beautiful wife? Did I put that in there? I did? But I think you may have, you know, mentioned something I think you. Had, like my name, like my full name, And I was like, oh, that's so romantic. You are a darling husband and my phone aw, And I don't think you did that. Jim would tell people that he could share anything with Molly. Not everyone was happy about Molly and James's relationship, though Molly's family and some of her friends didn't much care for James. Part of it was the age difference, but as Molly's brother Tim would later say, James gave off bad vibes. He wouldn't look you in the eye when he spoke to you. He didn't spend much time with Molly's family either, so they felt like he wasn't making much of an effort. Those close to Molly knew not to disparage James in front of her, though.

12:10 When Mollie fell in love, she fell hard. She was stubborn, and any negative comment about the love of her life would just make her mad and push her closer to James. Her family and friends knew she would choose James if it came down to it. The couple dated for just over six years before she finally popped the question to him in twenty seventeen. He said yes, let's get married, and Mollie was over the moon. Making plans for the wedding, Molly was happier than she had ever been. She talked about the wedding to friends and family constantly. They set the date for Sunday, April twenty ninth, twenty eighteen, and booked the Stony Creek hotel in Columbia, Missouri, a little over an hour from Monroe County, where they both lived. Mollie wanted a Disney themed wedding with burgundy and gold as the primary colors. She designed the centerpieces herself and planned everything down to the smallest detail.

13:05 Hass's Market, a well known restaurant in Columbia, was catering. Molly had three different wedding dresses that she was going back and forth between. The wedding planner at the Stony Creek Hotel said that Molly was her primary point of contact for the planning, but she met with Molly and James together a couple of times. She described Molly as very bubbly and talkative, while James was mostly quiet and seemed a little stand offish. There were some bumps in the road to their wedding. Molly's brother, Tim, who described Molly as his best friend, refused to attend the wedding because of his feelings about James. Three days before the wedding, though, and the night before her death, Molly texted him begging him to be there. She said it wouldn't be the same without you, and Tim relented, promising he would do it.

13:50 For Molly. Leading up to the big day, Molly's anxiety started getting the best of her, and she was worried that James was going to back out. A week or so before their wedding date, they had the following text exchange. Are you sure you still want to marry me with my anxiety? Yes? Dear? Why would you ask me something like that? Because when you were talking earlier you sounded like you were starting to doubt your decision? Not even close, dear? Are you changing your mind? Not at all? Then? What what worries me about that you were changing yours? I wasn't good. In perhaps the biggest bump in the road, a couple of weeks before the big day, James told Molly that his ex wife, Melanie, the mother of his two children, had gotten into a serious car accident and was on life support, and less than a week before the wedding, she was dead. They had made the decision to take her off of life support. This was obviously weighing heavily on James's mind, which made Molly wonder if they should postpone the wedding, but James said no, let's move ahead with our plans. But for the final walkthrough with the event coordinator in the week leading up to the wedding, normally done with both the bride and the groom present, Molly was on her own because James had to make funeral arrangements. On Wednesday, a day or two after that final walkthrough, Molly emailed the event coordinator. While they had originally estimated seventy wedding guests. In her email, Molly said, quote, James had not actually called his people to make sure

15:20 of whether they were coming or not as of last night. I talked to him after the meeting and he did so. This has affected our numbers considerably. For total guests. We now have forty three expected to attend. Unquote. As you can imagine, the caterer was not pleased with the last minute change. That's a dramatic like they were expecting seventy and then forty three, So that's pretty significant. Yeah. On Friday morning, two days before the wedding and the day that Molly was killed, James and Molly exchanged the following text messages. The funeral is tomorrow. I love you. I'm sorry, sweetness, I love you so so much. Is that while you were getting sick earlier, No, Are you okay? No, please talk to me.

16:06 My nerves are shot. I'm getting ready to head to the airport in Saint Louis to pick people up for the funeral. On that same day, James stopped by the event venue to drop off some decorations and to make a four thousand dollars payment on his credit card that would pay off the balance of the wedding except for a small three hundred dollars fee that was still remaining. The wedding planner asked if James was excited, and all he said was, Molly is driving me crazy. And yet another bump in the road came on that Friday. Molly had been planning on having James's seventeen year old daughter Emma, stand up in the wedding and they were going to get their hair and makeup done together on Sunday morning, but then James told Molly that Emma had decided to do her hair and makeup with a friend instead, so Molly called her stylist to let her know it would just be her. The last email that Molly sent was to the event coordinator on Friday at eight seventeen with the final guest list. Monroe County Road nine thirty is about as rustic as it gets. In the area where we live. There are a lot of dirt roads, but this is a whole other level. County Road nine thirty is not much more than a two track a little over a mile long. Two cars trying to pass each other can be a delicate operation as there isn't much space on either side of the road. There's also a creek that runs over the road at one point where you have to drive through a foot or two of water.

17:30 This is rustic. If there's been a lot of rain, you wouldn't even want to attempt it. It was not a well traveled road, obviously, although it wasn't unusual for people to hang out down by the creek and party. For Glenn mcsparrin, though, County Road nine thirty was a shortcut that he would sometimes take to his mom's house. On Friday evening April twenty seventh, Glenn was taking his daughter over to his mom's house and decided to take the shortcut because they were both tired. As he crossed the creek, he saw a car's headlights facing in his direction. At first, he thought the car was trying to get past him. So he pulled over as far as he could. Then he saw another car behind the first one, facing in the opposite direction, so he thought maybe one of the cars was stuck. He couldn't see either car very well because it was dark out and the headlights were shining right at him, but he described the car closest to him as a quote, bigger, four door, dark colored Grandma car. Unquote. The other car he couldn't see at all.

18:29 Then all of a sudden, he pulled up down closer to us. I rolled my window down just a little bit and I stuck my head over next to it. And right about then the guy got out and come through the end of his door. And I couldn't hardly seem because of all the glare, and I just kind of turned my head towards the wind, and I said, Hey, is somebody stuck down there? And how did he say that? He said, I don't know where they're at. It's going to be a while. I don't know where they are. It's going to be a while. So Glenn was confused by the comment, but he assumed that it meant that help was on the way for whatever problem the folks were having, So not being able to get around them, he backed his pickup truck up and went the other way, taking the long way around to get to his mom's. After hanging out with his mom and brother for a bit, Glenn got the nagging feeling that something about the whole situation wasn't right, so he decided to go back and see what was going on. He returned to the same spot, arriving around ten pm this time. As he crossed the creek, he saw just one car facing towards him, and he saw a woman lying motionless on her back directly in front of the car's front driver's side tire. Without getting out of his truck, he called nine one one.

19:43 What's the address of your emergency? I am at the hand of a round hand of one thty one and the woman laying on the ground in front of a norm. I don't know what the hell is going on here. Glenn must have felt so badly that he left and came back, and. Badly, I'm sure, but also terrified. I mean, you know, he must have realized that he had come upon the scene where somebody was about to kill somebody else, or maybe had already killed someone else. Right the nine to one to one operator asked Glenn to get out of his truck and go check on the person he saw lying there. As you can imagine, Glenn was freaked out, knowing that he had just seen a man there about thirty minutes ago. His heart was beating fast as he slowly approached the woman. He told the nine to one one operator that her eyes were open, but he could tell that she was gone. The police quickly arrived at the scene. Based on the car's registration, they tentatively identified the body as that of Molly Watson. An autopsy would later show that she had died from a single bullet wound to the back of the head, with the gun having been fired right up against the back of her head.

20:50 The caliber of the bullet couldn't be determined, however, because the bullet that had killed Molly was crushed beyond recognition. They believed it was a small caliber bullet, though something two caliber or less. Molly was lying on her back directly in front of her car, wearing pajama pants and a tank top. Her dirty bare feet were sticking out just to the left of the front driver's side tire, and a pair of slippers was found nearby along with a pair of glasses. Molly had her diamond engagement ring on her left hand. Her purse was found behind the car with two hundred and thirty five dollars cash in it. Near Molly's car, investigators found a perfect tire print from a car that wasn't Molly's. There were two parts to the tire print. On the embankment on the side of the road was an impression from the side of the tire that had been pressed up against the embankment.

21:40 It was a. Perfect imprint of two letters ohoh, kind of like the OO in the logo that could be found on the side of Goodyear brand tires. Of course, that wouldn't narrow things down much, but on the road itself was also a perfect imprint of the tire tread. Investigators made a cast of the tire print. What was not found at the scene was Molly's cell phone. Investigators made note of its absence they would need to do some searching to try to locate it. During the course of the crime scene investigation, one of the officers had to use the restroom and decided to drive back to the Monroe County Sheriff's office. I don't know why he drove back to the Sheriff's office when they were out in the wilderness, but that's what he decided to do. On his way back to the crime scene, about a third of a mile away from it, he happened to see a bright white T shirt lying in the road. He initially drove past it, but then he thought that's kind of odd, maybe it's related to the crime, so he went back, picked it up, and tossed it into the back of his car. It turned out to be an important find, as we'll see later. In the front passenger seat of Molly's car, they found a few items that indicated Molly had a wedding coming up, including a marriage license with her nim on it. Along with James Addies. One of the officers did a quick Internet search and found Molly and James's wedding registry on the bed Bath and Beyond website.

23:02 They tracked down James's address and then headed over to his house in the wee hours of the morning to notify him that his fiancee was dead. James ADDIE's house was about thirty minutes away from the crime scene. It was around two forty five am when Master Sergeant Bradley Reim knocked on his door. James answered in his bathrobe. Reim introduced himself and said, I need to talk to you about Molly Watson. Can I come in? Addie opened the door and let Sergeant Ream in. As they were walking down the hallway to go sit in the dining room, a woman poked her head out of a doorway and asked what was going on. Reem was not expecting this. He asked, who are you. The woman replied, I'm his wife.

23:45 What yes. Melanie Shepherd met James Addie in the early nineties when she was working at a convenience store. James came in regularly and finally asked her out. After six months of dating, James popped the question and the two were married in March nineteen ninety five. Soon after they were married, their son Ben was born. Then Emma came along about five years later. They didn't have a lot of money, but they made it work. Melanie was a stay at home mom and loved it. Once the kids got older. Around twenty sixteen, Melanie went back to work as a teacher's assistant in the Mexico, Missouri public school system. Over the years, she said there were some problems in the marriage, but nothing out of the ordinary for most married couples. Arguments over money, conflicts between James and their son during his teenage years. Any problems that came up, they worked through them together. By the time of Mollie Watson's death, Melanie and James had been married for just over twenty three years.

24:46 According to Melanie, her husband was charming and sweet. I wonder if she called him sweetness too. He was home every night, always loyal and steady, and they got along well. He also seemed to have no tolerance for were affairs when he heard of other people having them. She would never have suspected Jim of cheating on her, much less of having a seven year affair and plans to marry another woman. Their daughter, Emma, would attest to the fact that their dad was a good man. He was close to his kids, involved in their lives, and a good father like her mom. This was the last thing that she would have expected. So had Mollie not met the children.

25:28 She had met Emma one time, and we're going to talk about that in a few minutes. So one time in seven years she met one of the children. Yes, wow. After Melanie Addie popped her head into the hallway and told Sergeant Reem that she was James's wife, remasked her to go sit in another room so he could question them separately. James came clean and told the detective that yes, he had been seeing Molly Watson for the last seven years, and yes they had been planning a wedding for the last year. Yes, they were scheduled to be married in less than two days. Yes he was already married to Melanie Eddie, and they had been married for twenty three years. And perhaps the understatement of the year, he said, quote, I got myself involved with something I shouldn't have, you think James. But no, he claimed he absolutely did not kill Mellie. In the meantime, Melanie Eddy was sitting in the other room with no idea what was going on or Melanie. She couldn't hear the conversation in the other room and she felt like she was being left in the dark. All she knew at this point was that they were investigating a death, so she could only assume that it had something to do with James's work in the prison. When officers finally wanted to speak with Melanie, they asked if she knew someone named Mollie Watson. She said no. Then they informed her that her husband had been seeing this woman for the past seven years and they were scheduled to be married in less than two days. That's just crazy and

27:01 in a Disney wedding. Yeah, no less, Melanie said, this is crazy. Are you sure you have you don't have the wrong person. Sergeant Rheim said, oh no, we're sure. As you can imagine, Melanie was reeling in disbelief. Her whole world felt like it was crumbling around her. During their questioning of James that night, he was forthcoming and cooperative, although he was obviously stressed. He started sweating profusely during the interview, at one point opening a window and putting a box van in it to cool himself. He shared with investigators that he had a purple cell phone, which he used only to communicate with Molly, a phone that Melanie wasn't aware of. She only knew of his regular orange phone. He gave detectives the purple phone and showed them the texts and calls between Molly and himself, including a call from Molly at eight thirty pm that evening, lasting almost twenty three minutes. He said that was the last time he spoke with her. He sent her three text messages later that night, and nine thirty five pm quote what did you eat for supper? Four minutes later, I love you so much, and at ten fifty three pm.

28:13 Night night, sweetheart, I'll talk to you in the morning. There was no reply to any of these messages. He also made four unanswered calls to her that night. They asked James about the car he drove, and he took them to the garage so they could see his maroon Mercury Sable, which is the. Type of car that one might describe as a Grandma car. Okay, the Sable had the hood up and was covered in dust inside and out. To be fair, there are a lot of dirt roads in the area, so I mean it could be dusty from just riding around on the dirt road. Right. The police took the Goodyear tires from the car to be analyzed by the lab. Oh Goodyear tires, you say, well. I mean most cars probably have good your tires, I don't.

28:56 I think it's probably the biggest brand, but I don't know. We'll be back after a break. You came back for part two. Well, I haven't moved. I made you go to the kitchen and get me a better snack. Yeah, and you brought back. And I did buy these for the podcast from Costco. They're called crunch Master rice Poppers, sweet and Salty. And did you try them? Had you had them before? No, I haven't had them before. Okay, what did you think they're? All? Right? I don't. I don't love those either, but they're kind of.

29:37 Tastes like a breakfast cereal almost. Yeah, they kind of do. It's a really good good way to put it, I think good. Before we would have vacation, I was like, oh, these are really yummy, but I'm not liking them right now. Maybe it's just my I. Would give those also a six out of ten. I mean right now, i'd give them a too. But I did like them when I first opened them and bought them. But they're still around the pantry. So I'll go get you another snack. I mean, I don't know what I don't know what I want though, I'm sorry for being hymint. It's okay, you're entitled. Shall we get back to our story? Mm hmm. James told the police that on that Friday evening. He had left home around seven pm to go visit a friend from work, Jamie Lunsford, who lived a forty five minute drive from James and Melanie's home in Mexico, Missouri.

30:29 James said that he was going to pick up an avocado plant, but Jamie wasn't home, so James returned, arriving back home around eight thirty pm, at which point he said, Molly called him and they talked for twenty three minutes. After that, he watched a bit of the movie Schindler's List on the TV before showering and going to bed. Melanie couldn't help the police confirm or contradict James's alibi. She told them that she had finished at her job as a teaching assistant at three o'clock on that Friday, then met Jim in town to run a few errands. It was his day off of work. They went to a Mexican restaurant ate supper, and then Melanie did some more shopping as Jim headed home. She got home around five o'clock. Jim was home when she got there, along with their daughter, Emma, who was a junior in high school.

31:18 Their son Ben was away at college. Around seven PM. She said that Jim told her he was going to see a friend in kro but she didn't remember the name. Melanie went to bed around seven point thirty and didn't hear James come home. One other note from Melanie's interview with the police. When James left the house at seven, she said that he was wearing a black jacket that had belonged to her dad. She looked, but she never found that black jacket in the house again after that evening. Although they didn't have a lot of direct physical evidence tying James to the crime at this point, they felt like they already had enough to arrest him. In Missouri, once you arrest someone, you have twenty four hours to either charge them with a crime or release them. In James's case, they must have felt like it wouldn't take long to build their case, so they took him into custody at four eleven AM, only an hour and a half after arriving at his place to notify him of Molly's death.

32:16 So Melanie is not helping Jim out at all here. Well, she's not helping or really hurting him either, because basically she said, I have no idea what time he came home. The next morning, Emma Addie woke up with no idea what had transpired during the night. Like any normal teenager would, she slept through the whole thing. When she got up, she saw that her grandma was there with her husband and everyone was really quiet. She overheard her mom say something like, how am I going to tell her? Melanie decided not to tell Emma about the affair yet. She just said that a woman had been murdered and her dad had been taken in for questioning. Emma's junior prom was that evening. She and her friends had been eagerly looking forward to the big evening and all the plans were in place. When Emma heard the news about her dad, she asked her mom what was going to happen. Melanie said, I don't know, but let's focus on your prom. We need to get your hair done, get your shoes, and make sure you're ready. Melanie helped her get dressed and they took pictures with her friends, focusing on that to try and get through the day.

33:18 Emma would later say she was in a fog through it all. Emma was still in the dark after prom, but then a friend showed her an article that someone had shared on Facebook. That's how she found out that her dad had been having an affair and was under arrest for that woman's murder. Not only that, but seeing Molly's picture, she realized she had actually met Molly about a year earlier. A couple of years ago. It was. Twenty seventeen. I believe my friend and I were going to this convention and we needed costumes made. And Dad said that he knew somebody who did that kind of thing, and he took me, and that person was Molly, and he took me to go meet her, and she made a costume for me.

34:05 Do you know what the costume was? I don't. I do know that it was a comic con that Emma and her friend were going to, but I don't know what the costume was. Emma thought that Molly was really nice and helpful. There didn't seem to be anything strange or awkward about it. But now that she knew the truth about her dad's relationship to Molly and what he was accused of doing, she grew disgusted and angry at her dad. When the police questioned Emma, James's alibi began to fall apart. Emma had been home the evening that Molly was murdered, and she was watching the clock closely because she had some homework that had to be turned in online that night. She confirmed that her dad left the house around seven, saying he was going to see a friend, but she distinctly remembered him getting home closer to ten pm, not eight thirty as he had claimed. She remembered him coming into the living room where she was finishing up her homework. He asked her what she was still doing up said she was just turning in her homework, then told him that she was going to bed. He hugged her, kissed her on the forehead, and said I love you. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary to Emma. She went to bed and that was the last time she saw her dad until his trial about three years later. If I'm a story was accurate, that meant that James's whereabouts were unaccounted for between seven and ten pm that night. Jamie Lunsford, the friend that James said he was going to see that night to pick up an avocado plant, also contradicted James ADDIE's alibi.

35:32 That's such a random excuse, I'd going to pick. Up an avocado plant. How many times have we heard criminals use that? He said that he never really hung out with Jim outside of work, and that they never talked on the phone. In fact, they didn't even have each other's cell numbers. The only time James had been to Jamie's house was to pick up a table saw that Jamie had given him, and they had never talked about getting together that evening. He did say that they had talked at one point about James picking up an avocado plant from his house. I guess they were both avid gardeners, but they never had made plans for that. Jamie said that he wasn't home that Friday evening, so it is possible that James Addy stopped by without him knowing.

36:14 The day after James's arrest, Melanie was still reeling understandably, she went out to have a look around the garage, which was primarily James's domain. She didn't go out there much. In the loft area above the garage, she saw several boxes on the side and black magic marker was the name Mollie Watson. Opening the boxes, she first mostly saw household items, some kitchen things, and other possessions. It seemed like Mollie was preparing to move in once she and James were married, and James was storing her things until then. Then Melanie found a chest containing photo albums of James and Mollie together. There was a photo album other trip to Disney World, filled with pictures of the couple smiling together and having a good time. Then there was a similar album of James and Molly's trip to Cancuon together.

37:08 Melanie started thinking back. She knew about both of those trips. For the trip to Florida, James had told her that his work was sending him there for a sniper training. They do sniper training Disney World. Well in Florida, maybe not Disney World, definitely not Disney World. At the time, she had seen a document printed out on their computer desk on what looked like official Moberly Correctional Facility letterhead with all the details of the training, logistics, information and so on. Not only that, but he had a certificate hung on his wall for being an Advanced Scout Sniper and another for Marine Rifle Expert Sniper Qualified.

37:51 Oh details, details matter, yeah, for sure. Before the trip to Mexico, Melanie remembered James being on the phone with her friend and he said something like no, of course I can't go. I'm married. After the call ended, Melanie asked him what that was about. He said, some friends when work were planning a trip to Mexico. She said, just because you're married doesn't mean you can't go. You should go and have fun with your friends. Little did she know she was encouraging him to go have a vacation with his girlfriend. Pretty clever of him, really to take that approach like, oh no, I can't go, like he let her like. He must have known she was going to talk him into it and say, go have fun.

38:32 I's familiar when you were going an Olympic, so you weren't going to stay for the Olympas. I was like, oh, you did talk into that. Interesting, I'm gonna have to go search for some pretto. Well even worse, a year later, James and Melanie took a vacation to the same area. James would take her to different places around Cancun and say things like, oh, we should do this. I did it last year when I came with my friends and it was really fun. She also started thinking back to the fact that James usually got off work around three, but often didn't come home until five or so. Sometimes she would ask him why he was so late, but he would get irritated with her for asking, so she stopped. She never suspected he was having an affair. Seeing the photo albums made it all very real for Melanie. She knew that what the police told her was true, and she believed that James had probably killed Mollie. She realized that James was a selfish person and could see how he might kill someone to try and fix a problem. She became angry and decided to go see James in jail so they had hurt. His family had stayed away the time since his arrest. She deserved answers and wanted to know everything.

39:44 During their visit, James admitted to the affair and apologized, but he didn't have a clear answer for why he had done it. He said he hadn't realized that they, meaning Melanie and James, had such a perfect life, but he insisted that he did not kill Mollie. If she was leaving, Melanie told him, I think they're going to get you for this, and a few days later she filed for divorce. Good for you Melanie. Yeah, let's get back to the evidence. We mentioned earlier that police hadn't found Malli's cell phone at the scene. They contacted US Cellular, who did a ping of her phone showing that it was several miles away from the crime scene, but they still weren't able to locate it.

40:25 They made a second attempt using a cell site simulator. Cell site simulators are sometimes used by law enforcement to locate a cell phone when they know the unique identifier for that phone. Cell site simulators send transmissions as if they were a cell tower. Devices in the proximity of the simulator device then transmit a signal back to the simulator, telling it its identity. Once the cell site simulator identifies the specific cellular device with the unique identifier that the police are looking for, it obtains the signaling information only for that particular phone. It can then tell the relative strength and the general direction of where the phone is, which helps investigators narrow down the location.

41:10 I'm a little confused by that. I'm a little slow on the up tap. Basically, it's just it's a device that acts like it's a cell tower, and so then you know devices that are in the vicinity of a cell tower, pying off of that cell tower, and they send their like very basic information about the cell phone, like their unique identifier. So when the simulator sees the unique identifier that they're looking for, then they can get more information from the phone about like the strength of its signal which tells them how far it is, and the direction of the signal, so that tells them which way it is. It just helps them narrow down the location of it. Using the cell site simulator, they were able to find Molly's phone by the side of the road several miles from where her body was found. Also near her phone, they found an empty twenty two caliber AMMO box. Molly's cell phone was an important find as it contained valuable evidence. Most importantly, she had an app on her phone called drive Sense, which is provided by Assurance. The app tracks your trips and your driving habits to determine whether you're eligible for a safe driver discount. The app showed that on Friday, April twenty seventh, Molly drove from her home to the site of her murder, leaving at eight thirty pm. The drive lasted twenty two minutes. The time and duration of the drive coincided exactly with the time of Molly's and James's phone call that evening, so she was on the phone with James as she was driving to this remote location.

42:42 Another key piece of evidence was the tire impression. When investigators compared the cast that they'd made of the tire track at the crime scene, it appeared to match exactly the tire tread from James's Mercury sable. Lastly, remember the T shirt that the officer found about a third of a mile away from the crime scene. He didn't know if it had anything to do with the crime, but he tossed it into the back of his car. When they tested it, they found that it had traces of both gunshot residue and blood on it. DNA taken from the blood was consistent with Molly's DNA, However, it didn't test positive for james Addis DNA. The T shirt was white with a Skills USA Missouri logo on the front of it. Skills USA is a nonprofit organization that helps prepare students for careers in trade, technical, and skilled service occupations.

43:34 When they showed the T shirt to Melanie and Emma, Emma recognized it immediately. She recognized it because she had actually made it as an assignment for a graphic design class. Everyone in the class had to print some T shirts with the Skills USA Missouri logo on it in a certain way. Emma printed three or four and the logo came out crooked on all of them. She was the only one in the class that had an issue where the logo printed crooked, and so she ended up taking them home and giving them to her dad to use as rags in the garage. She knew that it was one of the T shirts that she had printed because the logo was crooked. Oh good clue. While Molly was head over heels in love with James and seemed to have every intention of going through with the wedding, there are some signs that she started to doubt James's honesty right before her death. First, Molly's brother Tim had done some internet sleuthing on James Addie. Tim felt from the beginning that James may have been a con man. On Missouri's case net website, you can look up court cases, including divorce filings. At some point before Molly's death, Tim tried to verify that James and Melanie were divorced, but he found nothing on the case net website.

44:47 He encouraged Molly to look for herself, but she didn't want to hear it. However, Mollie did seem to harbor some doubts about James's story of his ex wife, Melanie's death just two days before their wedding. The night before she was killed, Molly did some Google searches for things like Columbia, Missouri obituaries, Melanie addy obituary, and deaths at m U Missouri University Hospital. Perhaps Molly started to suspect the truth and confronted James when they met that Friday night. We'll never know for sure. James's bail had been set at five hundred thousand dollars. He couldn't pay it, so he sat in jail until his trial finally began on April twenty sixth, twenty twenty one, nearly three years to the day since Molly's murder. The prosecution's case was simple, James got involved with another woman and let things get out of hand. His double life started on a collision course the day that Molly asked him to marry him, and he said yes. Things were coming to a head and he had to do something either come clean or get rid of either Molly or Melanie. He chose to kill Molly. The prosecution argued that Molly was just hanging out at home that Friday evening, probably doing some final wedding preparations, when James called and asked her to meet him.

46:05 She put on some slippers and a jacket and headed out. She called James as she left and talked to him the whole way to the remote location about halfway between their homes, where he would kill her in cold blood. The defense, on the other hand, wanted to convince the jury that there were too many gaps in the prosecution's case. Yes, James had an affair, he readily admitted it. That caused law enforcement to jump to the conclusion that he had killed Molly before they knew all the facts, as shown by their arrest of James so quickly after showing up at his house. Further, James had cooperated, fully admitting to the affair, volunteering that he had a separate cell phone, showing them his car, and consenting to searches. James loved Mollie.

46:49 All the texts and cards and photos demonstrated that, and he had just dropped off a four thousand dollars check for the wedding that day, so why would he kill her? His defense proved explanations for some of the evidence that the jury would hear. Tire track matching was junk science. They argued, there is no widely accepted scientific principle behind it. The t shirt found it the scene that his daughter made. Maybe James had given it to Molly. It had her DNA on it, but not his. Also, there was no murder weapon. The investigators couldn't identify what type of bullet was used and what gun it came from. James did have a lot of guns in the house, but they weren't able to really figure out what gun was actually used to kill Molly, so that didn't really help them very much. And what about James's daughter claiming that he got home around ten pm instead of eight thirty pm as he had said. Maybe he was working in the garage.

47:43 Emma admitted that her dad spent a lot of time in the garage working on cars, and the mercury sable was found with its hood up in the garage. So basically, the defense was arguing that the prosecution's case was entirely circumstantial and there wasn't any hard evidence tying James to the murder. What do you think about the evidence against James. I think he looks very guilty. Who else had a motive to kill poor Molly? Yeah? There were a few interesting texts sent by James that were revealed at trial. First, at twelve fifty four pm on the day of Molly's murder, James texted her quote, I think I'm going to see you tonight unquote. The prosecution argued that that showed that Molly's murder was planned.

48:29 Later that day, before he left home, he sent several texts to himself between five and six pm. The first was have a meeting tonight at eight normal place. A little later you have to be there. The third said don't be a bleep again, and finally let's go man. It sounded like someone trying to psych themselves up for something, and the text that said don't be a bleep again made it sound like he had planned to kill Molly once before but didn't follow through with it. With the text literally said don't be. A Yeah, I don't know, well I didn't say bleep. I don't know what the word was that he used, so with time running short, he didn't have time to put her off again. The most dramatic witnesses for the prosecution were James's daughter, Emma and his now ex wife Melanie. Emma, twenty years old at this point, hadn't seen her dad since the night of Molly's murder three years earlier, when he kissed her on the forehead, told her good night and that he loved her. She said after the trial that she intentionally didn't look at him while testifying because she knew that she would have broken down. She did look over at him when she was done and saw that he was crying, the only real emotion that he showed during the trial, Melanie testified that she had no idea her husband had been leading a double life for seven years. She also testified that she had not been in a serious car accident, hadn't been on life support, and hadn't in fact died. In April of twenty eighteen, the prosecution presented two witnesses who had been locked up

50:01 in the Monroe County Jail at the same time as James. A group of inmates were sitting in the common room watching TV and chatting the subject of bail came up, and James mentioned that his had been set at five hundred thousand dollars. That got the other inmates' attention. They asked him what he had done to deserve such a high amount. He told them he had quote put someone face down in a ditch unquote. The state interpreted that as a jailhouse confession. On cross examination, though James's defense attorney got the inmates to admit that they weren't sure exactly what he had said. The defense opted not to call any witnesses. This isn't uncommon, as the defense doesn't need to prove anything. Their reasoning was that the prosecution didn't present enough compelling evidence to prove James's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

50:51 It always surprises me when that happens, though, it just seems like you could at least try. Yeah, it does seem that way. The jury, however, disagreed. After deliberating for only two and a half hours, they came back with the verdict guilty of murder in the first degree and guilty of a second charge of armed criminal action, which is basically the intent to commit a crime while carrying a loaded weapon. James was later sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, plus ten years for the armed criminal action conviction. So James had spent the last several years working at a prison as a correctional officer. Now he would spend the rest of his life seeing things from the other side.

51:31 That is an interesting point. I know, wasn't it the same prison? Though? That the prison he worked at was like a minimum security prison, so I'm guessing he ended up at a little bit more of a high security location. I imagine that most of the time that they wouldn't send you to the same prison that you worked at. No, that's true. Yeah, And I would imagine that he probably didn't tell anyone that he worked as a corrections officer in prison. James hadn't said a word at his trial and hadn't testified in his own defense, but in a hearing a couple of months after his sentencing, he had a lot to say. He told the judge that Molly was the love of his life and that he would have done anything to keep her happy. Not only that, but he believed he knew who the real killer was.

52:16 He said that Molly had an ex who had been stalking her and had a motive to do her harm as her wedding was approaching. Indeed, Molly had posted to Facebook less than a year before her death accusing someone of trying to hack into her bank account using her personal info. She didn't say who, but she said quote, I suspect it was the unstable individual who attempted to intimidate me with their service weapon by pointing it at me and threatening me when I left the relationship unquote. James also argued to the judge that his lawyer had been ineffective. He hadn't listened to James, didn't call any witnesses, and in general just didn't do his job. James filed an appeal asking for a new trial. The primary basis for the appeal was that the tire print expert from the Missouri Highway Patrol shouldn't have been allowed to testify because the science of tire print analysis isn't reliable or proven.

53:11 In late twenty twenty two, an appeals court upheld his conviction. So a couple things I wanted to talk about here. First, the fact that James was able to lead a double life for seven years without his wife or kids knowing it. How do you think he got away. With that, maybe told his wife he was going on trips to Paris and the Olympics and things like that. No, I mean that was my question too. Remind me again how he and Molly met. They met They worked together at the correctional pace, and she only worked there I think for a couple of years, and then she left to do something else. But they kept dating, So no one at the prison knew that they started seeing each other.

53:52 I don't think so, not that I know of. And I think, like I said, she left there probably relatively soon after they started dating, so it may not. People that worked with him may not have known that he was seeing her. Was he not friends with his coworkers? Did they not know much about his personal life? I don't really know for sure. The only one we really know about is Jamie Lunsford, which was interesting because that was James's alibi and Jamie's like, I don't even know him that well, Like we don't even have each other's phone numbers, so that it sounds like maybe James wasn't overly close to anyone at work. So I know you already said you're pretty certain that James did it, But do you think there is any reasonable doubt in your mind in this case. So I believe that I must have watched the twenty twenty episode or whatever on this case or listen to it as a podcast, and I remember her, Molly's ex girlfriend, being a suspect for a while, Is that true.

54:46 I think they may have looked at her, especially because of that Facebook post, but I don't think. I don't think they had any other suspects. I mean, they arrested James an hour and a half after they got there to tell him about Molly's death, So I don't think they ever really looked seriously at any other suspects. So you think there's a possibility at someone. Else, No, I am one hundred percent sure he does. But I will say there's not a lot of strong evidence in the case. I mean, I think the strongest evidence is just the fact that he was he was about to get married to this person and he was already married, so he had to do something to me. Yeah, and the tire tracks. They you know, it is not the most well established science, but honestly, I've looked at the pictures of the cast that they made and James's tire, and yeah, they look like the tread is exactly the same, So to me, it would be pretty odd. You know, if another car had that exact tread was there that night.

55:45 Why is it such junk science just because two tires could. Have Yeah, I think so. It's not like fingerprints or other types of science or DNA or things like that. Do you think One thing I was thinking about is whether James had considered killing Melanie, whether she maybe dodged a bullet in this case too, because I think if you're James, you've you know, you're on this collision course, you've got to do something about it. And obviously he wasn't going to come clean and just admit what a what a slinball he was. But I wonder if Melanie was also. In danger, he must have considered it. Yeah, And I wonder how she felt afterwards about that too. It must have been really scary to think about it.

56:26 She seemed, you know, she divorced him right away and she seemed pretty angry. Yeah. I thought it was interesting that nobody in his family, like his daughter, his wife, they didn't stand by him at all. They were like, nope, he did this, and we're going to help the police. However we can, so Mollie must have asked very little of James. Yeah, that's kind of the impression. Like, you know, he must have been home for dinner most nights and never went. Over to his place. Seven years dating someone, you never go over. To their house and you don't really know the children at all that are going to be your step children. Yeah, and even when he did bring Emma over, he must have told Molly, don't tell her that we're dating or something, because it's true. Yeah, that would have blown its cover right. At James's sentencing hearing, Molly's brother Tim spoke about the impact of Molly's loss on their family.

57:16 This horrible tragedy caused my mom to go over the edge before she passed away. This year. She was diagnosed with severe psychological trauma from Molly's murder. My dad had been taking care of my mom for over two years, dealing with the stress of a murdered daughter and a wife of fifty years. This sometimes couldn't recognize him. The stress from that took his life in September of twenty twenty of a heart attack. The heartache and stress of it all has taken a toll on all of us. Molly had the world in front of her. She was taken from us way too soon. I truly believe if he had of chose to break up with her instead of murder her, I would still have my sister, my mom, and my dad with me.

58:11 It's so sad. I mean, you know, he lost almost his whole family. Yeah, that's heartbreaking, it is. I mean, it's a it's a stark reminder that when you decide to take someone's life, you're affecting so many more people than just your victim. Molly also James's family too, like they were Melanie sounds like, you know, she really was a good wife and mother and his children. I mean you know they've suffered. Oh yeah, greatly too. Absolutely. I don't think you can ever, you know, if a family member is murdered or your family member is a murderer, either way, I don't know how you had from that. Yeah. Molly's son, Declan, who I believe was around thirteen years old at the time of James's sentencing, wrote a letter directed to James that was read during the sentencing hearing.

58:58 Here's part of that letter. My mom was an amazing, smart and beautiful person and sure She wasn't a perfect person, but nobody is perfect, and she wasn't a perfect mom. But being a mom isn't about being perfect. It's about making good decisions for your child. And that's what she did. And I believe she only ever made one real wrong decision, which was believing in and trusting you, and you just kept lying to everyone around you. The only reason she believed you was because she loved you and looked past your flaws and was probably willing to walk to the end of the earth for you. And you couldn't be a little bit honest with her or anyone for that matter. That means that you are the kind of man who is a coward, who has no regrets about his past actions, and you are willing to move on to the next person like they are just an object. And my mother was no object. She was more important to me than you can ever imagine, and I was more important to her than you ever were. So in a way, you took something from both of us. You took away my mom from me, you took away her son from her.

1:00:01 Here's the bottom line. You now have to face the consequences of your actions, and I hope you have to face them every day of your life. Wow, what a smart young man. Yeah. I am not sure what Declan is doing now, but I hope he is doing well and getting the support that he needs. I'm also not sure what has become of James's ex wife Melanie or their adult children Ben and Emma, but I also hope that they've been able to pick up the pieces of their lives. Me too. Rest in peace, Mollie. Mollie deserved much better than what she got. Yes, for sure. Should we tell our listeners a little bit about our vacation? Sure about my and the kids vacation and.

1:00:48 No, I mean's I had a couple of days. Yeah, you did have a couple of couple of good days. But we went to Maine and we stayed not far from Acadia National Park, which was amazingly beautiful. We see it a great airbnb. Yeah. It was called Eagles Irie E Y E R I E and Hancock, Maine. Our host was Joscelyn and she was amazing. Yeah, if you would like bore details, d M me and I am happy to give you those details. I would highly recommend it. I thought it was I thought it was great. Yeah, it was a really beautiful locations right on the water too, So there was they had a couple of kayaks out back and we went. I took the kids and we went kayaking one day, which was really cool.

1:01:30 We went out to like there's a little island out in the water, which our daughter Emma and I went to, but there was like a bald eagle on the island who was making really scary noises and so so we got out of there. Cool. You got to see it. It was, Yeah, it was really cool, but yeah, it was. It was beautiful area. I wish we I wish that you hadn't been sick for a lot of it. Yeah. We went to bar Harbor, Maine, and which is where Acadia the National Park is, and that was really I guess the focus at our trip, like we wanted to you know, do a lot of hikes and things like. That, and we ate a lot of lobster rolls. Oh my gosh, I mean I was only I mean, I guess I was down by Tuesday was when I started feeling sick. After a hike. I was like, abnormally it was kind of a hard hike, it was light bowl does an easy hike, and I just felt like jello after that, and then my throat started hurt. But so yeah, from Wednesday on I was out and you guys, but in that time, I mean I had at least two lobster rolls and lobster bisk and I think by that point I was lobstered out. Yeah, so you guys went on to eat like.

1:02:37 I think our daughter ate like eight lobster rolls over the course of a few days. He is small but mighty. Yeah, I mean they were really good. We actually learned. So on one of the days you were not feeling well, the kids and I went out. We took a little boat tour around I. Don't even know what you guys did. That's how like little we've talked, and you guys actually got in trouble from me because I was like, I'm high, I'm sick of the Airbnb by myself and hungary. Well, the boat tour that we took was really cool. It was like a two hour boat tour and they had like a narrator and we learned all kinds of things about the lobster industry, which I hadn't known before. It was really actually super interesting. But a couple of things that were Well, one that was really interesting is that there's a disputed area between the US and Canada.

1:03:23 It's the only border dispute that is left between the US and Canada. There's this area and it happens to be where there's great lobster fishing that both the US and Canada claim as their own. And there's actually been like all these conflicts and fights. And we actually watched a documentary about it called Lobster War that night because we were all so like fascinated by this. So that was interesting. Then the other thing, this is really really sad, but because of climate change, within twenty to thirty years from now, there will be no more lobster around Maine, like around the area right now where we were. Because you ate that might That is really that is devastating to hear. I know, it really is such a huge part of their economy.

1:04:09 It is. I mean, they said that twenty five percent of people's jobs are directly in Maine, the state of Maine are directly tied to lobster industry. Oh my gosh, in one way or another. So twenty thirty years from now, statistic that eighty percent of Maine is forest. Oh wow, Yeah, I believe it. I mean it was really very Katia. It was just breathtaking. Yeah. It was funny that the days that I was there, it was really rainy and like not rainy, but like misty. Yeah, it was very foggy, foggy. So it was fun I mean it we made it like very mystical and kind of I don't know, romantic feeling. It did take away from some of the sites though, because there are a lot of places where you're up on like a summit and you know, couldn't really see much on those foggy days. I did hear I think they said it on the boat tour two hundred days out of the year in a Kadia are foggy.

1:04:57 So oh okay, So I wasn't sure if that was an anomaly or not. It did seem like it was just kind of damp, like the towels did, like things didn't dry very well. It's very damp and humid. One thing for Maine that was just blew me away. And this is silly, but the amount of bugs compared to here was nominal. Yeah, you have very very few bugs that were really pleasant. Like if you want to hike here, I mean you're you're gonna get bitten. There's you know, there's ticks and mosquitoes and black flies and they really can ruin yeah ruined. Yeah, hikes for us and trips for us. But main was it was just really beautiful and pleasant and uh yeah, yes, did you guys ever take that drive like the.

1:05:39 Kettle We did do the Cadillac Summit Drive. It's it's something you have to actually reserve and pay like six dollars that. Yeah, it was. It was amazing. I mean some of the views I'll show you the picture picture, but yeah, it was just incredible. I mean it's like the highest point in a cadia, so you're basically at the peak of this mountain and just looking out and all directions that just amazing, amazing gistas. And we did go to the ables. Yeah, that was that was really good too. That was good. I'm going to say the best lobster roll I had was at just there was like a little roadside shack that I stopped at with the kids, I don't know on Thursday or Friday, and it was it was just amazing. But they were all really good.

1:06:23 There was the saltines I had at the Airbnb were impeccable. Well you are, You're a hero for. I mean, I don't even want to talk about it, but it was fine. You don't know me anything, but I would like the kids, we're like, oh, we'll just call it another ship and I'm like, with the budget for the strip, was you know spent. So yeah, it's kind of a bummer. Yeah, for sure. The best thing I ate actually was the pork belly appetizer at that restaurant. It was really good. It was like the best thing I've eaten in a while. Yeah, it was just some restaurant in bar Harbor that we found and we. Got Harbor was was. It was a cool place to It was a little I. Felt like it was a little overrated, like people.

1:07:04 Yeah, I was glad that you were staying in Hancock, yeah, because it was just so peaceful there. Yeah, just really. Harbor was cool. I mean, there are a lot of shops, but it's it was basically. Very similar to a shop guys. So yeah, but it just felt very similar to touristy towns, like even on like the West side of Michigan. Way bigger than those towns, but still it just felt like kind of touristy you know, coastal town type of Yeah. It was lovely though. Yeah. Good luck to everyone going back to school this week or next week, or if you've already gone back. I hope everything's going well. It's a fun time of year. It's a crazy time of year, so for so many people. Yeah, well, why don't we end it there? You go back, get some rest. Thank you for joining me and doing your best here. I appreciate it. Well, thank you, and thank you all for listening, and especial.

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