July 20, 2026

Monique Baugh

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In December 2019, 28-year-old Minneapolis-area realtor Monique Baugh arrived at what she believed would be a routine home showing in the upscale suburb of Maple Grove, Minnesota. Instead, she walked into a carefully planned trap. Monique was kidnapped while her boyfriend, Jon Mitchell-Momoh, was ambushed in a separate attack. What initially appeared to be an inexplicable crime soon unraveled into a shocking murder-for-hire plot fueled by revenge, jealousy, and a web of unlikely conspirators.

Today's snack: Jeni's Ice Cream, Brambleberry Crisp and Blackout Chocolate Cake

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Hi.

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I'm Tina, and I'm Rich. There's one thing we've learned

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it over twenty years of marriage.

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It's that some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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And some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to love, Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey Tina.

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How are you?

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I am great. How are you doing.

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I'm doing pretty okay. Despite everything that's going on in

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the world.

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There's a lot going on in the world.

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It's still a million degrees here in.

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Michigan, close to a million.

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Yeah, yeah, and now we have this air quality alert

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because of the fires in Canada. I think the air

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quality is bad and a big part of the northern

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part of our country. And what else is going on.

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There's been some.

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Bad the cyclospora outbreak, which is bad. You can't eat

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any vegetables or anything.

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Oh so myself an eight year olds are really happy

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right now. I supposed to eat fruit or vegetables. I

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don't know how serious we're supposed to take that.

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Yeah, it does sound pretty pretty bad. It is. Though.

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On a lighter note, it is National hot Dog Days,

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So happy National hot Dog Day to you.

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Same to you, And how did you celebrate?

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I had a hot dog?

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Did you what kind of hot dog? Did you have?

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Just a regular old hot dog bun? And yeah, pretty

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much brand deerborn brand hot dogs.

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Oh it was the deerborn kind. Okay, that's a Michigan.

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I knew that you had a hot dog because you

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left the pan in the sink.

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I did.

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And you prefer your hot dog to be boiled, which

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is the best way to get controversial. I don't know.

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Well, if you've ever been to a baseball game, that's

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how they make the hot dogs at the baseball game.

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Is there in a thing of hot water and they

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take it out of there, and it's just it's just delicious.

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I think a lot of people prefer them grilled. I'm

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laughing because our cats. One cat is in the room,

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Cosmo is in the room, Clover is out of the room.

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You close the door, I can't.

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It's going to cause trouble, isn't it. Yeah.

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And there's like this black paw like completely underneath the

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door right now, and Cosmo is I don't know if

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he's happy or if he's like, let my sister in.

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I don't know. They're they're just special, that's all I

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can say.

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We're recording this on Wednesday, July fifteenth, late in the afternoon,

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and the World Cup game is currently on between England

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and Argentina. Who do you think who do you think

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will win the World Cup? Well, there's this game and

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then whoever this game goes.

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To the final against Spain.

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Yeah, so I and the finals on Sunday. So this

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is our chance to be Yeah, like Nostradamis, I.

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Don't really know. I haven't watched any Argentina games. I

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have watched a game with England in it, and they

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looked amazing. So I'm gonna I'm gonna pick England. It's

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all the whole thing.

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Yeah, I am also going to predict the same thing.

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A lot of nice people in the UK that listen

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to us.

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I'm sure we have a lot of nice people in

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Argentina and Spain.

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Also true, but I don't talk to them as much

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as I talk to people from the UK. So I'm

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good luck to everyone. I hope everyone has it.

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I just hope everyone has a good time, right.

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I hope everyone leaves the game feeling good about themselves.

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One more thing before we get to snack, we have

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written an episode about the Nolan Wells case that has

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been in the News and we haven't recorded it yet

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because we're waiting for autopsy results. We don't want to

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put any false information out there. We want to put

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the most accurate information out that we can.

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Yeah, and there's already a lot of speculation out there

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in social media about this case. It's a really sad

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and tragic case. It is taking a long time for

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the autopsy results to come back.

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Well, we are looking for the information and we're keeping

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an eye on the case. But I did bring you

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a snack last night. You messaged me. I think it

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was about eight fifteen and you said, will you What

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did you ask me?

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I said, would you please go to Culver's and get

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me a concrete mixer?

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Yes? And Culver's is I think there are a lot

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of places right now, but they are mostly in the Midwest.

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And what do they call them, a dq blizzards blizzard.

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That's right, I yeah, a lot of different places where

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they have like soft serve ice cream or custard mixed

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in with you know.

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Yeah. And I would have gone to Olivers, but you

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go to bed at like nine thirty. Yeah, So I

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did go to the store and get you some ice

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cream today. Really, I bought you two varieties of Jenny's.

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I'll let you pick which one you want. I was

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going to get like the local, fancy brand, but I

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don't want to sample things that people aren't.

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Yeah, on Jenny's is awesome.

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So I got Blackout chocolate cake and Brambleberry crisp. I

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know which one you're going to.

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I'm going to take the chocolate the Blackout.

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We're going to taste our ice cream really quick and

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then put it in the freezer and then we'll be

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right back.

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Awesome.

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Did you like the ice cream?

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Oh? Man, that was amazing. It's about the chocolateest ice

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cream I've ever had.

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Have you had that one before?

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No? I don't think so.

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Okay, I've gotten that one before. The brambleberry crisp was

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pretty good. It wasn't as good as the Blackout, Oh really, No,

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it was good though. It was good though I don't

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think you would have liked it though. I don't like blackberries.

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I didn't realize that that was the fruit that was

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in there. They didn't read the fine print. But it

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was still really good.

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Yeah, well, thank you for that.

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You're very welcome. Was it as good as a concrete mixer?

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Though yeah, it was right up there, I'd say, Okay.

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Well, today we're going to tell you the tragic tale

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of Monique Bowl. Everyday, real estate agents around the world

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unlock the front doors of empty homes for people they've

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never met. They answer questions, point out a home's best features,

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and help prospective buyers imagine building a life there, all

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with little more than a name, a phone number, and

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the hope that the person standing beside them is exactly

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who they claimed to be. Most showings, and the same way,

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the buyers leave to think it over, the realtor turns

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off the light, locks the door, and moves on to

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the next appointment. On December thirtieth, twenty nineteen, twenty eight

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year old Minneapolis area reeltor Monique Boo expected her showing

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to end the same predictable way. The showing was at

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a vacant home on Niagara Lane in Maple Grove, An,

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a fluent Minneapolis suburb known for its quiet neighborhoods and

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repute as one of the safest communities in the state.

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It was a pretty two story yellow house, five bedrooms

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and four baths on a quiet residential street. The buyer

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cold called her and seemed very excited to see the house,

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but the prospective clients never showed up. Later that day,

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the buyer called to apologize and asked if they could

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reschedule for the following afternoon, New Year's Eve. Monique agreed,

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despite having plans with her family later that evening. Maybe

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there was still time for one last sale before the

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year came to an end. There was nothing about that

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location that suggested danger. Monique had no way of knowing

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that she wasn't walking into a routine home, showing she

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had been intentionally lured there. This wasn't a crime of

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opportunity or a chance encounter. Was the final step in

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a carefully planned revenge plot. When Monique arrived at that house,

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every piece was in place.

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You know, I never considered before that being a realtor

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could potentially be a dangerous job because you are, like

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you said, meeting people that you have no idea who

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they are, and usually you're meeting them in an empty home.

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Especially being a female, it makes you very vulnerable. Monique

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latrese Leanna Bao was born on October seventeenth, nineteen ninety one,

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in Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Wanda and Frank Bao who divorced

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when she was young. Monique was their only child together,

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though her father, Frank, later had several more children. Wanda

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and Monique had a very close relationship. It was the

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two of them against the world. The rest of the

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family was close knit as well. Monique was also close

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to her cousins, who were more like siblings. After graduating

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from high school, Monique worked as a server at several restaurants.

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Her warmth and friendliness made her great at her job.

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When in twenty eighteen, she decided she wanted to build

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a new career, she enrolled in a real estate course,

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passed her licensing exam, and joined the Chris Lin Dall

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real estate group. She quickly discovered that she'd found her calling.

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Monique loved helping people find their dream homes, and those

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who knew her said she had a natural gift for

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the job. Clients were drawn to Monique's warmth, infectious smile,

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and easygoing personality. She had a way of making people

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feel comfortable almost instantly. More than anything, though, Monique was

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proud to be a mother. Her two young daughters were

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the center of her world, and she worked hard to

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build a career to make them proud and give them

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the best life that she could. Monique had been dating

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John Mitchell Momo, better known as Momo, a local rapper,

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since they were teens. They welcomed two daughters in twenty

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sixteen and twenty eighteen. Legacy and legend. Monique was a

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wonderful mother and always put the children first. She was

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working hard to build a future for them. As Monique's

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real estate career was burgeoning, Momo's rap career was flourishing.

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He'd collaborated with Little Baby, Rick Ross and the late

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Nipsey Hustle, and had played the south By Southwest Music

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Festival Rubbing Elbows with fifty cent.

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So he was pretty big time there.

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I mean I think he was getting miss gidding there.

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When he signed with the record Big Black, it was

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the break had been waiting for, with the promise of

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a million dollar deal coming soon. On December sixteenth, twenty nineteen,

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Momo twenty nine filmed a music video for one of

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his songs, in which he stood in a shower surrounded

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by stacks of cash, tossing bills into the air. Then

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he placed the bills into a dryer and watched them

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spin as an aspiring wrapper with a flashy image. He

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may have thought that it fit his persona, but the

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video didn't impress everyone. It infuriated his enemies, specifically one man,

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Lynden Wiggins. Wanda, Monique's mother, was hopping mad when she

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realized that he had filmed the video inside her home.

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She confronted him, warning Momo that flaunting that kind of

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money wasn't just reckless and was putting him, Monique and

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the two baby girls in danger. Wanda later told Monique

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his image will get us killed. For a love alike

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for a share. On the day before New Year's Eve,

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Monique was scheduled to show a home to two potential

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buyers in Maple Grove at a Level A. Maple Grove

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is an affluent, family oriented suburb about fifteen miles northwest

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of downtown Minneapolis, home to roughly seventy thousand residents. It's

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one of the fastest growing communities in the Twin Cities

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and is known for its highly rated schools, well kept neighborhoods,

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in abundance of parks, trails, and lakes. The city has

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a strong ecodomy centered around a busy shopping area and

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business district. Much of Maple Grove consists of quiet residential

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neighborhoods where many families choose to settle. Monique's potential new client,

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Lisa Polowski and her husband, planned to meet Monique at

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the vacant house the next day, on December thirtieth. Lisa

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was very persistent and even called Monique's personal cell phone,

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which surprised her. It made her question how she'd gotten

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her private number. A lot of realtors have two phones,

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their personal phone and their business funding, and she kept

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them very separate from each other. Here is a clip

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from Lisa's phone call.

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Hi, Monique, my name is Lee the Palowski and I'm

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interested in.

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The property night Agora, Wayne North in Maple Grove, Minnesota.

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Just give me a call. This is a property that

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I'm really interested in and I'm hoping.

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That after the walk through it, it is one that

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I decide to go with.

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Monique arrived first and let herself into the home so

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she could familiarize herself with the layout before her clients arrived.

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Another realtor was there showing the property to a couple.

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After her clients left, the realtor chatted with Monique while

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she waited for her own clients. Just then, Lisa called

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her with an unusual question. She asked whether the stove

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in the house was gas or electric. She and her

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husband had a bet, She claimed, it seemed like an

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odd thing to call about when they would know the

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answer as soon as they walked through the door minutes later.

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It was the second time that this prospective client had

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made Monique feel uneasy.

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That is a really bizarre thing that would definitely make

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my instincts on edge. Yeah.

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Sure, Lisa Pulawski and her husband never showed it happens,

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thought Monique. After she'd waited thirty minutes, she locked up

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the house and went home. Later that evening, Lisa called Monique,

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apologized profusely, and asked to reschedule the showing for the

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following day, New Year's Eve. Wenique agreed to meet her

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at three pm at the house in Maple Grove.

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The next day. Momo arrived around two fifteen to stay

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with Legend and Legacy while Monique went to the showing.

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It was about a thirty minute drive to Maple Grove

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from Minneapolis. Monique was looking forward to ringing in the

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New Year later with her daughter, cousins and their children.

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While Momo was playing a show. She made salsa their

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day before she left for the showing in Maple Grove.

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It would be a night filled with food, drinks, laughter

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and fun. As an only child, Monique's relationship to her

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cousins was very important to her. It was her idea

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to hold cousin Knight once a month so they could

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all have at least one night guaranteed together amid everyone's

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busy schedules. As Monique pulled up to the house on

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Niagara Lane, she was on the phone with her cousin, Josie.

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She told her that she had a bad feeling the

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clients weren't going to show up again. Monique said she

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would wait ten minutes then head home to get ready

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for their Cousin's Night. She unlocked the door using the

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realtor's lock box, leaving it open for the clients, and

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entered the house. Just then, as Monique peered out the window,

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a vehicle pulled into the driveway. The clients weren't driving

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a car or suv that Monique expected them to arrive in.

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They pulled up in a rented U haul truck. It

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was odd, but Monique thought that maybe they were in

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the middle of a move, and that explained their urgency

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in seeing the house. Relieved that they hadn't stood her

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up again, Monique told Josie that she'd talk to her

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later and ended the call. That was the last time

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anyone in her family heard Monique's voice. At about three

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point thirty, Josie called to see how the showing had gone,

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but Monique didn't answer. Maybe the client going to make

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an offer and that's why it's taking so long, Josie thought.

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Moments later, she received a text message that read, can

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I call you back? It may seem innocuous, but something

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about it immediately bothered Josie. It wasn't the way Monique

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normally talked to her. Fifteen minutes later, she texted Monique again,

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but got no response. Momo had also sent Monique several

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text messages. She hadn't answered him either. It just wasn't

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like Monique to let texts go unanswered. Nearly two hours later,

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at five point forty pm, Momo was sitting on the

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stairs at Wanda's house texting Monique when he heard a

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key inserted into the lock and saw the doorknob turn.

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Assuming it was Monique coming home, he stood up to

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greet her when a man dressed entirely in black wearing

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a ski mask with one wide eyehole, stepped inside and

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immediately opened fire. Momo ran up the stairs shouting, I

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am dead already. My babies are here. The man lumbered

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up the stairs, chasing us him. He was shot multiple times,

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suffering wounds to his groin, shoulder, back, and chest. One

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bullet missed his heart by less than an inch. Thankfully,

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despite the chaos unfolding in the house, Legacy and Legend

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were physically unharmed. Despite being shot, Momo managed to call

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nine one one at about five forty five pm. In

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the background of the call, one of the baby girls

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could be heard crying and asking for her mommy. When

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first responders arrived, they found Momo critically wounded but alive.

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As her shift at the hospital ended at five point

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fifty five, Wanda Bao saw a text message from one

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of her neighbors that simply read call me. When she

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returned the call, he told her that someone had been

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shot at her house and police had already responded. Stunned,

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Wanda immediately called Monique. After several unanswered calls and text messages,

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panics set in She rushed home to find police cars

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lining the street, their red and blue light flashing against

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the dark winter sky. Seeing her granddaughters sitting on the

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couch crying, Wanda was overcome with relief that Legacy and

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Legend were unharmed. Two of her babies were safe, but

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where was Monique? As she hugged her granddaughters tightly, Wanda

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continued calling her daughter repeatedly with no response. Her nightmare

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was just beginning. Wanda noticed something on the carpet in

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the living room, a single key, but it wasn't just

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any key. She recognized it instantly. She had special ordered

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a key to her house for Monique years earlier. It

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was purple with a green butterfly. Monique always kept it

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with her on her key ring. Seeing it by itself

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on the rug made no sense unless someone had taken

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it from Monique. Wanda quietly set a prayer for her daughter,

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holding the babies closely. As the scene unfolded at Wanda's house,

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the police were also worried that Monique was in real danger.

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Just after seven PM, a man called nine one one

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after hearing three gunshots in an alley in North Minneapolis

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at nearly the same moment Minneapolis shot spot or system

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alerted officers to the shooting. At the location, they found

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a young black woman lying face down in a snowbank.

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She had been shot twice in the torso and once

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in the face at close range. She had also suffered bruises, scratches,

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and a chipped tooth. Nearby her body were three spent

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forty five caliber shell casings and the bottom half of

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a realtor's lock box. The woman had been shot about

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six miles from Wanda Boo's house. Just as detectives were

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loosening their ties preparing to celebrate New Year's Eve with

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their friends and family, they suddenly found themselves dragged into

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work to investigate two violent crime scenes that might be related.

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Back at Wanda's house, one detective quietly asked her if

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Monique had any tattoos. She stared blankly at the officer

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as her heart set into her stomach. She knew exactly

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why he was asking. Yes, she answered shakily, Monique has

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a tattoo across her chest that says Heartbreaker. That was

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enough for investigators to identify the woman found in the snowbank.

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Monique Latrice Leanna Bao was dead at just twenty eight

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years of age. Across town, Monique's cousins had begun gathering

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for their New Year's Eve celebration. The news hadn't reached

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them yet. They were expecting her to walk in the

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door any second, with her bright smile and a funny

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story about why she was late. Soon their world would

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be shattered when they learned about her death. Oh, this

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is so so sad and tragic. I can only imagine

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what was going through her mom's mind, especially when they

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asked her about the tattoos.

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As a story unfold, you'll see what a great mom

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want it is. And she had such a special relationship

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with her daughter, and this is her only child, and

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just devastating. Yeah, Monique was just so young and beauty

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full and had so much life to live. Just a

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really sad situation.

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We'll be back after a break.

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With Monique dead and Momo fighting for his life, investigators

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began reconstructing her final hours by using green camera footage

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from the Maple Grove neighborhood as well as cell phone

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data to piece together the timeline. The surveillance footage showed

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the U haul pulling up to the house a little

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after three PM, a man got out of the passenger seat,

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walked at the front door, and entered the house. The

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driver of the truck turned the truck around, then backed

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it up closely to the garage and went into the

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house too. A minute later, the man walked out with

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his arms closed the abron Monique, dragging her to the

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back of the vehicle, putting her inside and closing the door.

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At three seventeen PM, they drove away from the house.

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Monique was likely attacked by the man after he entered

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the house. She was gagged and her hands were bound

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with thick layers of gorilla tape. As the truck pulled

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away from Maple Grove, Monique was still alive. What happened

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in the next two and a half hours between Monique

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being abducted and Momo being shot is harrowing to think about.

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Monique must have been terrified for herself and her family.

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Police believed that one of the kidnappers sat in the

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back of the ye haul and questioned her about Momo's

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whereabouts as they drove through the streets of the Twin Cities.

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When she refused to tell them, they continued driving through

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the snowy streets, looking for Momo's car. Investigators believed that

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Monique never gave them the answer they wanted, but they

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did find the key to Wanda's house in her purse.

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At five forty p m. We know the kidnappers got

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to Wanda Bao's house, where Momo was still with his daughters.

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He was sitting on the stairs texting Monique when the

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man dressed entirely in black wearing a ski mask, arched

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into the house with a gun poised at Momo and

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shot him before leaving in the U haul. Bullet case

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were later found in the home from a forty five

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caliber handgun. The kidnappers then drove to the north side

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of Minneapolis to the three hundred block of Russell Avenue,

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where they shot Monique three times and then left her

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for dead in a snowbank just before seven pm. One

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of her wrists was free from the gorilla tape. Monique

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had fought hard to save herself, So.

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It was really like three hours or so that Monique

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was tied up and held captive before they shot and

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killed her.

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Yeah, just riding around the streets of Minneapolis.

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That's just so so terrifying to think of.

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After Monique's body was found. Investigators realized that they now

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had two crime scenes to investigate, Wanda's house and the

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alley where Monique was found. It was not a great

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start to twenty twenty. They had the video surveillance from

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the house in Maple Grove, which had been very helpful.

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Without that, they wouldn't have known to look for a

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U Haul. From cameras a resident had mounted in the

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alley behind his house, they found footage that revealed a

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U haul had pulled out of the alley onto the

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street after Monique had been shot. Bingo just cemented the

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fact that these two events were linked, and while canvassing

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Wanda's neighborhood, police found an eyewitness who reported seeing a

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U haul near her house. Later, Monique's black BMW was

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found at the house in Maple Grove. When the police

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went to the door to search the house for evidence,

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the bottom half of the lock box was missing, and remember,

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part of a lock box was found near Monique's body.

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After they entered the vacant house, police found a pink

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acrylic fingernail tip that likely belonged to Monique, an indication

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that there had been a struggle. Investigators needed to find

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the U haul. They had the plate, so it shouldn't

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be too hard. They got lucky when they found that

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it had already been returned to a local dealer. On

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New Year's Eve around nine p m. The back of

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the truck was open to air it out. It reeked

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of bleach in ammonia. A closer look inside revealed four

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more pink fingernails that had been left behind that matched

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the one found in aple Grove. A wrapper from a

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roll of guerrilla tape was found in the door pocket

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that matched the tape that was used to bind Monique's hands.

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When police located the two men who had signed the

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rental agreement, they explained that they were both struggling with

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heroin addiction. They'd rented the truck for a man who

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offered to pay them in drugs. The man's name was

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Cedric Barry. When investigators processed the duct tape recovered from

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Monique's hands, they found six fingerprints. They were processed through

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the system and a match was found. The Prince belonged

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to Cedric Barry. Barry was a low level drug dealer,

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already known to police since the age of eighteen. Barry

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had spent much of his adult life in and out

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of jail for gang related violence, aggravated robbery, and other offenses.

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He had previously served five years in prison after pleading

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guilty to his second degree murder charge. Police were able

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to identify the second man, the driver of the U haul,

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as Barry's brother in law, Barry Davis, also a drug deaeler.

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Why did these men go after Monique and Momo?

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So?

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Just to be sure I have this right? The two

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guys won. His name Cedric Berry and the other is

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Barry Davis.

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I try to refer to them with their first and

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last name. It's kind of ironic that both of their

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names are spelt b E r r Y. Momo was

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in serious condition, but awake and able to speak with detectives.

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He asked about Monique. When they told him that she

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was dead, he was devastated. He blamed himself for not

477
00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:31.559
doing more to protect her. Detectives asked him who could

478
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:36.400
have done this? Momo didn't hesitate. La La, whose real

479
00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.720
name is Lyndon Akeem Wiggins, was an aspiring rapper and

480
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.279
drug dealer. He sold heroin, crack, cocaine, marijuana, and fentanel

481
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:50.200
across Minnesota and Michigan's up La. Wiggins performed under the

482
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:53.400
stage name Black Bag. He was also the founder of

483
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:57.200
the independent record label Black Bag, where John Mitchell Momo

484
00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:01.400
had signed. He and Momo had become close friends, traveling

485
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.880
and performing together to promote their music. They spent countless

486
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.359
hours together. Monique was friends with Wiggins as well, and

487
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:11.279
it's rumored that he had a crush on her. Although

488
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.440
Momo generally kept his family separate from his music career

489
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.200
for their safety, Wiggins was one of the few people

490
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:20.599
he trusted enough to bring into his inner circle. Momo

491
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:24.119
grew frustrated with Wiggins's management style and was wary of

492
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.440
his involvement in the drug trade. Over time, the friendship

493
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:31.680
deteriorated and Momo left Black Bag. As Momo's music career

494
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:36.160
began gaining momentum, Wiggins grew resentful. When Momo landed an

495
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:40.359
opportunity to collaborate with the more established rapper Nipsey Hustle,

496
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.079
Wiggins was eager to be included. He recorded a verse

497
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:46.240
and sent it to Momo, hoping that it would make

498
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.799
the final track. It didn't. Momo saw it as a

499
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:54.359
business decision, and Wiggins saw it as personal rejection. Things

500
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:58.720
escalated after John Mitchell Momo left black Bag Records. Wiggins

501
00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:01.359
blamed him for his career not taking off, and accused

502
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:05.960
Momo of stealing his music. In October twenty nineteen, federal

503
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.200
agents raided properties connected to La Wiggins, seizing thousands of

504
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:16.079
fentanyl leaced counterfeit OxyContin pills, hundreds of pounds of marijuana, firearms,

505
00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:20.200
and tens of thousands of dollars in cash. Prosecutors alleged

506
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:24.440
he continued trafficking fentanyl even after the raids. He thought

507
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:27.440
someone had tipped off the dea, and he was pretty

508
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:31.880
sure that was Momo. Weeks earlier, Momo had been arrested

509
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:36.599
on a weapons charge, but prosecutors dropped the case against him. Previously,

510
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.880
Momo was twice arrested on drug charges in twenty fourteen

511
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.359
and twenty eighteen. The charges also were later dropped. Wiggins

512
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.839
interpreted the dismissed charges as proof that Momo had cooperated

513
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:51.240
with police to save himself and throw La under the bus.

514
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.920
From that point on, he publicly branded Momo as a snitch,

515
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.640
But court records revealed that Wiggins had been under investigation

516
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:02.799
for more than two years for drug trafficking heroin and fentanyl.

517
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.720
By then, the friendship had completely unraveled. Prosecutors argued that

518
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.839
Wiggins's resentment their failed business relationship, combined with his belief

519
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.039
that Mitchell Momo had informed on him to law enforcement,

520
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:20.160
eventually grew into a deadly grudge. Fearing for her safety

521
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.640
and the safety of her children, Monique decided it was

522
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.640
best to temporarily leave their home and Coon Rapids, Minnesota,

523
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.240
with Momo until things cooled off with his business. She

524
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.319
and the girls moved in with her mother, Wanda, in Minneapolis.

525
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.559
The move wasn't the end of the relationship, however. Momo

526
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.599
continued to see his daughters regularly and still took Monique

527
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.519
out on dates. They were aware that they might be

528
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:46.759
in great danger because of Momo's strained relationship with Lyndon Wiggins,

529
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.440
and they took precautions that they'd hoped would keep their

530
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.839
family safe. MoMA didn't realize that the music video he

531
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.039
made of himself showering in cash would be the catalyst

532
00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.240
for Monique's murder. According to prosecutors, Wiggins's resentment reached to

533
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:04.240
a boiling point after Momo released the music video. Wiggins

534
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.640
believed that Momo had snitched to law enforcement about his

535
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.319
drug operation and was blatantly flaunting his success in his

536
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.359
face after he'd left his music label, fueling the revenge

537
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.720
plot that ultimately led to Monique's murder.

538
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.440
Both Barry Davis and Cedric Berry, the men from the

539
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:24.599
U Haul, worked under La Wiggins as drug dealers. Police

540
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.440
knew that La was behind the murder plot, but didn't

541
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.319
yet have enough evidence tying him to the crime, but

542
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.079
they believed that the music video with the shower of

543
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.279
Cash was the final straw. LA perceived that as Momo

544
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.880
rubbing his success in his face. Police knew that on

545
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.519
December twenty sixth and twenty ninth that La had viewed

546
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.319
the music video from Facebook. Cedric Berry was the first

547
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.240
arrested at the Double Tree Hotel on January fifteenth, while

548
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.039
Barry Davis was caught on surveillance footage escaping from a

549
00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.880
side door of the hotel. Once in custody, Cedric refused

550
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.200
to talk, but after his car was searched, police found

551
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:09.279
ample evidence, including thirteen pouches of heroin, black guerrilla tape,

552
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.079
a black ski mask with one hole for the eyes,

553
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.039
and two way radios. One of the detectives went to

554
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.000
a nearby Walmart to see if anyone had purchased two

555
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.839
way radios recently. He found that not only had someone

556
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.759
purchased them, but they also purchased bleach and ammonia and

557
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.920
a canvas tent. There was video of Barry Davis completing

558
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.319
the sale and walking out of the store with the

559
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:39.160
items at nine thirty pm on December thirtieth, alongside Cedric Barry.

560
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.440
It took a couple of weeks to apprehend him, but

561
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:46.359
eventually Barry Davis was in custody too. Investigators had possession

562
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.680
of their cell phones and were able to tie them

563
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.200
to the times and locations where the crimes had taken place.

564
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.759
La Wiggins was already in jail. He had been there

565
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.319
since October twenty nineteen on the drug charges we talked

566
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.799
about earlier. Police were able to retrieve Monique's voicemails from

567
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.319
her phone, including the message left by Lisa Paulowski. One

568
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.960
of the detectives recognized the voice right away. The woman's

569
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:16.079
name was Elsa Segura. She was a former Hennepin County

570
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.279
probation officer who had been fired for lying about an

571
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:23.559
inappropriate relationship with one of her clients. The client was

572
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.200
none other than La Wiggins. As part of the case

573
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.440
they were building against Wiggins, the detective had been listening

574
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.160
in on their phone conversations.

575
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.839
This is kind of crazy. This detective had heard so

576
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.480
many of their phone conversations. When he heard this call

577
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.640
from Lisa, he was like, Oh, I know that voice.

578
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.279
I was going to say the exact same thing. Like,

579
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:45.240
that's really wild that he would just recognize this voice

580
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.680
right away. Police brought Elsa in for an interview and

581
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.160
she admitted that she had made the call from a

582
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.400
burner phone to Monique, but she insisted that she didn't

583
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.599
know what would happen next. She had no idea that

584
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.759
Monique would be murdered. The phone us used by Elsa

585
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.519
to make the calls to Monique was purchased by Cedric

586
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.799
Barry and became active at approximately four pm on December

587
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.519
twenty ninth. Cedric Barry was captured purchasing the phone on

588
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.200
video surveillance and cell phone records show he was talking

589
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.559
to Elsa, Segura, and Barry Davis while at the cell

590
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.799
phone retailer. When Elsa's personal cell phone was searched, police

591
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:29.319
found incriminating Google searches such as anxiety, legal immunity, incinerator

592
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:34.000
near me, and confession times for basilica of Saint Mary Church.

593
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.200
Coogling anxiety is an incriminating but in relation to those

594
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:39.960
other terms, it's a little linkaging.

595
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.759
Yeah, very disturbing that she was searching for incinerator near me.

596
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:45.240
Yeah.

597
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.319
Chante Davis, the wife of Cedric Barry, was later arrested

598
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.839
on the charge of aiding an offender. She pleaded guilty

599
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.599
and was sentenced to ninety days in jail. Eight people

600
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.720
were identified as having participated in the murder plot, but

601
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:05.279
only five were inevitably arrested. After Monique's death, Momo posted

602
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:10.079
on Facebook rip queen with a broken heart emoji. He

603
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.200
faced backlash online from people blaming his flashy lifestyle on

604
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.839
her death. When talking to the Star Tribune, he said,

605
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.119
referring to the arrest of Cedric Barry, I've never seen

606
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.519
that Cedric dude in my life. I don't know him.

607
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:25.920
I really want to clear the air. They've got me

608
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.240
looking like a monster. They have it like I'm in

609
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.519
a gang. I don't have a gang life background. It's

610
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.200
like I murdered her. This has really hurt my heart.

611
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.240
I believe this is all because of jealousy and envy.

612
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.640
There are people out there that would rather see me

613
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.880
dead than successful, even if it means killing the mother

614
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.200
of my children. I knew Monique since she was sixteen.

615
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.359
She was in her prime. We were just getting started.

616
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.319
Wanda Williams Bow was devastated by the loss of her

617
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:56.880
only daughter. In the months that followed, a bitter custody

618
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:01.559
battle unfolded between Monique's parents, Quanda and Frank Bau, and

619
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.079
Momo over legend and legacy. The Bows argued that Momo's

620
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.720
involvement in the drug trade had indirectly led to Monique's

621
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:13.119
murder and that his lifestyle made him unfit to raise

622
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:13.720
the girls.

623
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.359
And I can totally see where they're coming from here.

624
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.440
Eric, for sure, we'll be back after a break.

625
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.400
The first trial began in May twenty twenty one. Cedric

626
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:33.119
Barry and Barry Davis were tried together. Prosecutors argued that

627
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.440
the murder plot involved poor people and that each played

628
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.960
an essential role. According to the state, Elsa Segura and

629
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:44.039
Lyndon Wiggins were just as responsible for Mornique's murder as

630
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:47.160
the two men who carried it out. If Segura hadn't

631
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.319
posed as Lisa Polowski and lured Monique to the vacant

632
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.880
house under the guise of a fake real estate showing.

633
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.880
Prosecutors argued she never would have been kidnapped and murdered.

634
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.400
John Mitchell Momo was the prosecutions for witness. Wearing a

635
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.759
hooded sweatshirt pulled tightly around his face, he was combative

636
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.400
on the witness stand from the outset. He repeatedly interrupted

637
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.679
the attorneys, asked them to repeat questions that had already

638
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:15.000
been clearly asked, and even blurted out that he couldn't

639
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.960
believe taxpayer dollars were being used to defend the suspects.

640
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.719
After sending the jury out of the courtroom, the judge

641
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.840
sharply reprimanded him, telling him you're not helping yourself here,

642
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.800
and later warned you were about three inches from a

643
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.880
jail cell right now. The judge caution that if his

644
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.199
behavior continued, he would be arrested for contempt.

645
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.400
What do you think was behind this attitude that he

646
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.000
had on the face.

647
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.760
Facing the people that murdered his girlfriend and the mother

648
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.400
of his children. I think he was just really upset. Yeah,

649
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.920
Wanda Williams Bow also gave emotional testimony, wiping away tears

650
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.559
as she described the agonizing hours she spent trying to

651
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.800
reach her daughter, and the devastation of learning that Monique

652
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.079
had been identified by her heartbreaker tattoo, and the the

653
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.679
impact Monique's murder had on her family. Barry Davis's attorney

654
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:08.280
argued that his fingerprint on the U haul's gearshift was innocuous.

655
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.440
He claimed Davis had driven the truck earlier that day

656
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:16.440
while transporting large amounts of marijuana, not while kidnapping Monique.

657
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.800
After about three and a half hours of deliberation, the

658
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:23.280
jury found both men guilty on all counts. Wanda wept

659
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.320
as the verdicts were read before thanking the prosecutors. Injurors quote,

660
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.679
I couldn't be more happy, she said, I miss Monique

661
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.920
every day. At sentencing, both Cedric Barry and Barry Davis

662
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.719
received thirteen years for kidnapping, twenty years for the attempted

663
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.960
murder of John Mitchell Momo, and life in prison without

664
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:45.679
the possibility of parole for the murder of Monique. At

665
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:48.920
the sentencing, Guanda Bau gave a victim impact statement that

666
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.159
in part read, I can only imagine what was being

667
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.880
said to her? How many times she begged for her life.

668
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.000
My baby was so precious. How dare they these defendants

669
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.519
treated my daughter as if she was less than human.

670
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.480
My daughter came face to face with evil. On that

671
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.559
New Year's Eve. Before he was sentenced, Cedric Barry apologized

672
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.880
to a Monique's family for the pain they had endured

673
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:16.000
and said that he prayed for them but admitted no guilt. Quote,

674
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.639
my heart is pure. I pray the truth comes out

675
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.800
to miss Wanda Bau. I hurt for you, but you

676
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.639
did not receive justice today.

677
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.519
It makes me really ang curating, isn't it. I Mean,

678
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.960
it's so obvious that he did this and to try

679
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.079
to put up this facade like, oh, totally.

680
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.079
I'm so sorry for your pain, knowing that he had

681
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:37.679
a lot to do.

682
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.159
With it, and it was just adding to her suffering.

683
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.800
Already before standing trial for Monique Bao's murder, Lynden Wiggins

684
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.199
was convicted in federal court of possessing with intent to

685
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:53.280
distribute more than thirty three thousand counterfeit oxycodone pills laced

686
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.599
with fentanel. He was sentenced to nineteen years in federal prison.

687
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.760
Lyndon Wiggins trial began in the spring of twenty twenty two.

688
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.400
Unlike Cedric Barry and Barry Davis, who were accused of

689
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.679
carrying out the kidnapping and murder, prosecutors portrayed Wiggins as

690
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.360
the master of the entire conspiracy. According to the state,

691
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.400
he orchestrated the fake home showing, directed the others involved,

692
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:21.320
and targeted Monique as a way to retaliate against John

693
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.480
Mitchell Momo, whom he believed had betrayed him. Monique was

694
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.360
never the intended target, prosecutors argued, she was simply the

695
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.039
means of getting to Momo. The case against Wiggins was

696
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:38.559
largely circumstantial. There was no DNA fingerprint evidence, eyewitness identification,

697
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:43.559
or confession placing him at either crime scene. Instead, prosecutors

698
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:48.639
relied on cell phone records, location data, surveillance footage, purchases

699
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:52.519
made in preparation for the crime, and testimony showing that

700
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.039
Wiggins directed the others involved. They argued that when viewed together,

701
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.239
the evidence painted a clear picture of a carefully planned conspiracy.

702
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:04.920
There is not a lot of evidence against la Wiggins here.

703
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:06.840
It is all circumstantial.

704
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.840
Yeah, it is pretty crazy that he was able to

705
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:11.440
get all these people to do the dirty work for

706
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.079
him and really keep his hands completely off of it.

707
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:18.760
The defense attacked those connections, arguing the States case relied

708
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:22.719
on speculation rather than direct evidence tying Wiggins to the

709
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.119
kidnapping or murder. Despite those arguments, the jury found Wiggins

710
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.920
guilty on all major counts. He was sentenced to life

711
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.039
in prison without the possibility of parole. Elsa Segura was

712
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:39.039
tried separately. She admitted that she had posed as Lisa

713
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.480
Pulowski and scheduled the fake real estate showing using a

714
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:46.840
burner phone supplied by Cedric Barry. She testified that Wiggins

715
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.719
often treated her like an assistant, directing her to make

716
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:54.079
phone calls, arranged travel, and handle errands. She described their

717
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:59.519
relationship as controlling and at times abusive. Segura insisted she

718
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.119
did not know Wiggins intended to kidnap or murder Monique.

719
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.239
She testified that she believed she was helping him with

720
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.800
something related to his drug business, not luring an innocent

721
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.360
realtor into a deadly trap. Prosecutors countered that the circumstances

722
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:18.800
made that explanation impossible to believe Wiggins had instructed her

723
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.440
to use a fake name call from a burner phone,

724
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.440
stay away from her own home while making the calls,

725
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.840
and even destroy the paper containing Monique's information after the

726
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:33.159
appointment had been arranged. After just a few hours of deliberation,

727
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:36.960
the jury found Segura guilty on all counts. She was

728
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.320
sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

729
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:42.840
I don't know if I've said her age, but she

730
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.639
was I think the same age as Monique. So she's

731
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:46.559
twenty eight years old.

732
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:48.679
Oh, she just threw away the rest of her life.

733
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.559
Wanda again delivered a powerful victim impact statement at the sentencing,

734
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.320
quote the defendant she actually could have been a hero.

735
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:01.079
She could have warned Monique. She could have warned her

736
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.199
that the showing was fake. The defendant had a choice,

737
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.400
and she chose to please her boyfriend by sticking to

738
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:11.000
the plan. The judge allowed a video presentation crafted by

739
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.559
Monique's friends and family. Pictures of Monique's life scrolled by

740
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:18.159
to the song I Was Here by Beyonce. In twenty

741
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:22.239
twenty four, the Minnesota Supreme Court overturned the convictions of

742
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.599
both La Your eyes are soaping right now of both

743
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.119
La Wiggins and Elsa's Sigura ruling that in the case

744
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.719
of Wiggins, jurors had received incorrect instructions from the judge

745
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.760
before deliberations regarding the charge of accomplish liability. The justices

746
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:41.239
did not find the evidence against him lacking. Instead, the

747
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:45.159
concluded the legal heir may have influenced the verdict, entitling

748
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.920
Wiggins to a new trial. His second trial began in

749
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.800
October twenty twenty five and lasted three weeks. John Mitchell

750
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.880
Momo again took the witness stand, wearing a hooded sweatshirt

751
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.280
pulled tightly around his face. He glared angrily at Wiggins

752
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:02.400
throughout his testimony and at one point called him a

753
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:07.599
dusty bomb. Wanda Bou also testified. She candidly admitted that

754
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.519
she had never been fond of Momo. She told jurors

755
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.199
that he often used drugs, had been unfaithful too Monique,

756
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:18.000
and failed to provide financial support for their daughters. Even so,

757
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:22.519
she said she never wanted him dead. La Wiggins testified

758
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.719
in his own defense. He denied any involvement in the murder,

759
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:30.079
instead blaming Cedric Barry and Barry Davis. He claimed that

760
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.159
Cedric Barry had planned to confess and tell authorities that

761
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.519
La had nothing to do with the kidnapping or murder.

762
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.400
I think that was true, but he never followed through

763
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:43.159
with it. After about six hours of deliberation, the jury

764
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.840
found La Wiggins guilty on all accounts. He was again

765
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.760
sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole

766
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:53.760
for Monique's murder. The judge also imposed a consecutive twenty

767
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.639
year sentence for the attempted murder of John Mitchel Moomo

768
00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:00.440
and one hundred and eighty nine months for kidnapping. Wiggins

769
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.039
continues to serve a separate federal sentence for fentanel trafficking.

770
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:10.000
After the verdict, Momo told NBC affiliate Kairi eleven quote,

771
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:12.440
I think it's unfair that I'm forced to come back

772
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:16.599
and reopen wounds over and over again. The unspoken rule

773
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.800
that everyone knows as women and children are off limits.

774
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.199
I would have respected it if they would have killed

775
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:26.039
me and left Monique alone. In Elsa Segura's case, the

776
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.199
Supreme Court found there was sufficient evidence that she had

777
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.840
aided and abetted the kidnapping and felony murder, but not

778
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:37.719
enough evidence to support convictions for premeditated murder or attempted

779
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.119
premeditated murder. Prosecutors had failed to prove Elsa knew the

780
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:46.360
plan was to murder Monique Bao. Rather than face another trial,

781
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.320
she pleaded guilty to kidnapping to commit great bodily harm

782
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.679
and was sentenced to twenty years in prison. She could

783
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.440
be out in as little as ten years or her

784
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:00.599
plea deal. She was required to testify against Lais Wiggins.

785
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:05.719
At Elsa's sentencing, Wanda again delivered a powerful, emotional victim

786
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:09.800
impact statement. This was the fifth time that she delivered

787
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.400
a statement. She said her daughter had been ambushed, kidnapped, tortured,

788
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.960
and murdered because of a dispute between l A. Wiggins

789
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.719
and John Mitchell Momo, a conflict Monique had no pardon.

790
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.480
Wanda rejected the idea that Monique should be remembered in

791
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:28.320
relation to Momo. Monique was not simply someone's girlfriend or

792
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.000
the mother of his children. She said she was an

793
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:35.480
innocent woman whose life was stolen because of other people's pride, rumors,

794
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:39.559
and grudges. Wanda also spoke about the heartbreaking lass undered

795
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.360
by Monique's two young daughters. She described how legacy and

796
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.280
legends regularly visit their mother's grave, carefully cleaning her headstone

797
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.000
a memorial bench, surround her photographs with rose petals, and

798
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.599
become upset if they find ants crawling across her grave marker.

799
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:58.320
Even at such a young age, she said, they fiercely

800
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.960
protect the place where their mother rests. She ended her

801
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:05.639
statement with raw emotion while asking God for forgiveness. She

802
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.119
admitted she could not forgive the men responsible for Monique's staff.

803
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:11.960
Her only wish, she said, was that each of them

804
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.199
spend the rest of their lives behind bars before facing

805
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.880
God's judgment. Here's a clip from Wanda's statement. It is

806
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:19.920
very emotional.

807
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.960
My name is Wanda, Wanda Wayne, spell wa and d e A.

808
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.280
Do I have to spell it? Yes?

809
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:28.639
Okay?

810
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:38.199
We remember you from trial Handel thirtieth, twenty nineteen. I

811
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.440
said good night and I love you to my daughter

812
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:42.760
Monique Bell for the last time.

813
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.400
This would always This would also be the last time

814
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.519
her babies would sleep next to their mother.

815
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:07.119
I still say good night to her and I tell

816
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.920
her I love her. It's just to her picture and

817
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.800
both of her girls. They say good night to her too,

818
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.039
and they kiss and hug her pictures.

819
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.199
And they sleep with her picture of their mommy under

820
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.840
their pillow, and they both had to get each of

821
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.639
their own because they would tussle over, so the director

822
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:33.800
of the school was kind enough to make them each

823
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:41.719
their own. Monique Glum being a mother, I tell her

824
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:46.480
girls that often just how much she loved being their mommy.

825
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.880
They have to take my word for it, because she's

826
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.320
not here to tell them herself, and I know she

827
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.039
would tell them every single day.

828
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:56.400
I know she would.

829
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:04.280
Legends money Monique's oldest daughter, Legend. She likes to pray,

830
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:10.199
pretend and we had a little wand Princess wand and

831
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.079
she turned me into a frog and I had to

832
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.719
act like a frog. And then she turned me into

833
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.280
her mommy and she said, I said, I'm sorry, Legend,

834
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:20.320
I can't be your mommy.

835
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.960
And she said, gim me do it, just do it.

836
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.760
And then I put on my best Monique impression and

837
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:27.639
I act.

838
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.000
Like her mommy and said what Monique I thought Monique

839
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.400
would say.

840
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.960
And I picked her up and she whispered and hug

841
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.679
me so tight and said, please don't leave me again.

842
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.000
Well, that poor poor woman. My heart just breaks for her.

843
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.199
And you could just hear it in her voice, how

844
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:46.159
heartbroken she is, and the fact that she had to

845
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.199
she had to deliver so many victim impact statements in

846
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.440
all these different cases breaks my heart too, because for

847
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.519
her it would it would be reliving this whole time.

848
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.559
Yeah, she did an amazing job. Each day she had

849
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.800
a new statement prepared. They were all just heartbreaking. Wanda

850
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:09.159
Williams Bao, her granddaughter's cousins, Momo, and the rest of

851
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.079
Monique's family are left trying to make sense of why

852
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.519
she was senselessly murdered, but she continues to live on

853
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.000
through her daughter's legacy and legend. In twenty twenty three, Wanda,

854
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.599
along with her granddaughters, wrote a book, Rubian Onyx and

855
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.480
the Magical Pillow Adventure. Monique was known for her love

856
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.239
of food, her infectious laugh, her kindness, her sweet personality,

857
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.320
her sense of humor, and her beauty. Rest in peace, Monique.

858
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:35.920
So.

859
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.880
Monique used to read to her daughters at bedtime, and

860
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.440
they had this purple pillow and they would all, like,

861
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.719
you know, get together and snuggle together on this purple pillow.

862
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.239
And Wanda still has the pillow and so the book.

863
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.119
I bought it from Amazon dot Com on the cover,

864
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.119
it shows like the little girls on the Purple Pillow

865
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.400
with their mom. I'm going to have you read the

866
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.199
dedication because I don't think I'll be able to get

867
00:47:59.199 --> 00:47:59.599
through it.

868
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:01.960
I will just say before I read the dedication, this

869
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:05.039
is it's a beautiful book. And on the dedication page,

870
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:08.719
it's a beautiful picture of Wanda Monique and legend and legacy.

871
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.840
Here's the dedication to the most beautiful and loving daughter

872
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.800
and mother, Monique Latrice Leanna Bao. You will forever live

873
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:19.519
on in our hearts. Therefore you are with us on

874
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:23.199
this adventure. This book is also dedicated to the children

875
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.079
whose parent or parents are in heaven and who are

876
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.360
living this life's journey without them. We pray this book

877
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.079
will fill you with joy and excitement as you read

878
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:34.159
about the Adventure on the Magic Pillow.

879
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:38.679
Well, first of all, Monique's daughters' names, legend and legacy,

880
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.920
it just seems so prescient. Yeah, definitely, almost uncanny, Yeah,

881
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.320
for sure, because they are her legend and her legacy.

882
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.760
I'm happy they're fortunate that they have a loving family.

883
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.599
They're surrounded by, you know, their grandparents and all their

884
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:59.079
aunts and cousins and other people to support them. But

885
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.719
no grandmother really wants to raise her grandchildren. Yeah, she

886
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.320
wants to be able to see her daughter and you

887
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.199
know do it and just breaks my heart.

888
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:10.199
Yeah, you can never replace her mom. But it is

889
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:14.639
good that they have such a supportive environment around them.

890
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.639
And the book is so beautiful. I love the illustrations

891
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:18.920
in here of the two girls.

892
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.360
Cute, those girls are precious.

893
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:21.800
The how old are the girls now?

894
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.199
I think they're seven and nine now. They were one

895
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.119
and three when it happened, and I think the little

896
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.559
one had just turned one a few days before Monique,

897
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:32.400
yeah killed.

898
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.280
It's so nice that I'm sure Wanda is doing everything

899
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.599
she can to keep their mother's like, you know, memory

900
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.079
alive for them because they were so young they wouldn't

901
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:42.719
remember her themselves.

902
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:46.280
But yeah, I think it's lovely. They kiss their picture, yeah,

903
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:48.760
every morning and every night, and it is very sweet.

904
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.920
Some people that blame Monique for her own death because

905
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.159
she was with a rapper with a flashy lifestyle, what

906
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:56.119
do you think about that?

907
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.719
I think that's ridiculous to blame her for that. I

908
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.559
can see blaming Momo a little bit, or being upset

909
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.840
with Momo that he was involved in a lifestyle. Sounds

910
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.920
like he was involved in drugs. It's definitely not his

911
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.199
fault either, but I can't see blaming Monique at all

912
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:13.760
for that. It's ridiculous.

913
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.000
I think that the girls are being raised by Wanda

914
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.000
and Frank, like they're not married, but you know they

915
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:22.199
go back and forth.

916
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:23.760
Okay, I was going to ask you about that. How

917
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:25.679
that custody that.

918
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:28.119
Momo is still involved in their life to some extent,

919
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.280
but he doesn't know a lot about him. He hasn't

920
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:33.679
made any new music in a while. Okay, this is

921
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:35.960
going to make you really mad. He does have an

922
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:41.079
Instagram and there were pictures of cash like that were recent, so.

923
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.639
It's yeah, yeah, it gets me.

924
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.159
It really bothers me because it's like, if you were

925
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.760
going to take one thing away from this, you know,

926
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:49.480
that's just.

927
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:53.280
Not And he's still well known, I assume, like even if.

928
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:57.119
He's well known, but you know, he's still I believe

929
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.760
in the rapper community, Like I found his music on Spotify.

930
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.920
What do you think about Elsa Segura's part in this plot,

931
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.239
Like she was the one who made the phone call, Yeah,

932
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:07.800
set up the realtor showings.

933
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.440
Yeah, it's one of the more intriguing parts in my mind. Well,

934
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:12.960
a couple of things about Elsa that are intriguing. First, like,

935
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.239
she you said she was a probation officer, right, so

936
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:19.239
she had a legitimate job, and then kind of threw

937
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.239
that away for kind of you know, going into a

938
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:27.000
life where she was associated with criminals and you know,

939
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:29.079
on the other side of the law. I guess, But

940
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:33.119
I am curious about how much how deep her involvement

941
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.440
went because I didn't hear any evidence showing that she

942
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.760
definitely knew that Monique was going to be killed when

943
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:42.159
by making this phone call. But at the same time,

944
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:44.960
it feels like she must have known that, you know,

945
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:46.199
something she knew.

946
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.519
I think she must have known how mad La Wiggins

947
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.880
was at MOMO and resentful of his success. I think

948
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:55.920
she must have known to a certain extent what he

949
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:56.360
was casing.

950
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.360
So do you think that her sentence wasn't sufficient for

951
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.039
kind of what she actually or her part in it?

952
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:05.920
I question this all the time in these cases, like

953
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.400
who is who is the guiltiest party, the one who

954
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:12.599
shoots the trigger, mastermind or the people that are complicit. Yeah, yeah,

955
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.760
I think she probably should have more time. Yeah, Unique's

956
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.639
killers we apprehended so quickly in part because of the

957
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:23.480
doorbell camera footage. Right, And this makes me question privacy

958
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.639
versus safety. Do you feel like our desire for safety

959
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:28.719
and security supersede our privacy?

960
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.400
You know, it's a really good question, and I really

961
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:35.000
have mixed feelings about this. Obviously, I'm so glad that

962
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.119
they caught the people who were responsible for Monique's death.

963
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.760
And I think in so many cases in modern society,

964
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:47.639
it is the cameras everywhere that help apprehend killers.

965
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.360
Or just feel like big brothers. Sometimes it does.

966
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.880
I feel like it's sort of a conscious decision we've

967
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.519
made as a society, which is maybe I don't know

968
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:57.280
if it's the right decision or not, but it does

969
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.599
feel like we've made this decision, like we do. We

970
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.719
all want security, we all want to be safe, but

971
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:05.920
really there is you know, we have sacrificed a lot

972
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:06.960
of privacy.

973
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.719
Yeah, And they're saying now with AI that your face

974
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.280
can be identified in almost any crowd that you well.

975
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.159
I mean, I work in technology and I go to

976
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.679
trade shows and there's you know, there's technology that you're

977
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.360
walking around the floor of a trade show. You know,

978
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:27.159
cameras can identify you immediately tell tell the people working

979
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.119
who you are, go to your LinkedIn profile. So it's

980
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:34.119
it's like it is scary how much information you have

981
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:35.719
about anybody walking down.

982
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.119
The street yew Before you go to the trade show,

983
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.599
do you sign something that makes people aware that you

984
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:45.039
know this technology is being used will be identified for

985
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:46.679
sales purposes.

986
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.679
I should say I don't know if this technology is

987
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:52.199
being actively used. I have seen demonstrations of the technology,

988
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.360
so I don't know if that is actually happening regularly,

989
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:57.239
but it's it's out there, it's available.

990
00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:59.840
Do you think that the jury got it right with

991
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.320
la Wiggins? I know you only know the information that

992
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:06.159
I gave you of the evidence against him, but do

993
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:09.679
you feel comfortable with him being convicted?

994
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:12.199
I feel much more comfortable with him being convicted than

995
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.199
I do about Elsa. I definitely have a few questions

996
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.639
about the extent of her involvement, but with him, yeah,

997
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:21.159
I have no doubts at all that he was the

998
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:22.280
mastermind behind this.

999
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.360
Before we wrap this case up, I wanted to mention

1000
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.519
shot Spotter, which we talked about, so we can ask

1001
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.159
you about that. I didn't want to stop the evolution

1002
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:33.440
of the story and talk about it. I had never

1003
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:37.519
heard of this technology before. The shot Spotter isn't an

1004
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:41.400
acoustic gunshot detection system used in more than one hundred

1005
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.800
and eighty major cities across the United States. It's installed

1006
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:47.760
in neighborhoods with higher rates of gun violence. The system

1007
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:51.119
uses a network of acoustic sensors mounted on rooftops and

1008
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.719
utility polls that detect when a gun is fired. Before

1009
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.360
police are notified, train analysts quickly review a brief audio

1010
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.639
clip to determine whether this sound is likely gunfire rather

1011
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.119
than fireworks or other loud sounds. The sensors are not

1012
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:10.000
continuously recording. However, they're not recording conversations, but they're activated

1013
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:14.639
when gunfire is detected. In Monique Bao's case, shot Spotter

1014
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:19.320
detected the three gunshots, directed officers to the alley within minutes,

1015
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:23.320
and helped investigators establish an exact timeline of the murder.

1016
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.760
The system helps officers to locate victims more quickly, recover

1017
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:32.840
shell pacings and other evidence before it disappears, establish accurate timelines,

1018
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:38.320
and identify areas experiencing repeated gun violence. Critics, however, argue

1019
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:42.239
that shot Spotter is expensive, can produce false alerts, and

1020
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.239
studies have shown mixed results on whether it reduces gun

1021
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:50.119
violence or increases the number of shootings solved. Several major cities,

1022
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:55.039
including Chicago, San Diego, Portland, and Seattle, have discontinued the service.

1023
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:55.960
Interesting.

1024
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.920
I feel as dumb that I've never heard of this

1025
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.239
technology before. But we do live in a rural community, right,

1026
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:04.760
you know, Yeah, we don't have it here.

1027
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.559
No of it either. It's interesting, and it is really

1028
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.039
interesting when you know, we were talking about privacy aspect,

1029
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.480
I was thinking, well, this is a really great application

1030
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.719
of technology because you're not really violating anyone's privacy with it.

1031
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:19.599
It's just detecting sounds and alerting someone, hey, something might

1032
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.159
have happened here. I don't know about like the expense

1033
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:25.960
of it and all that, but it's surprising that it's

1034
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:28.960
just surprising that some major cities have stopped using it

1035
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:29.760
because it seems like.

1036
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:34.000
It probably desensitizes police after a while too. You know,

1037
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.760
they have to go to these scenes and you know

1038
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.719
there's nothing there because all a lot of times too,

1039
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:42.760
like shots are fired, but yeah, no one is harmed

1040
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:44.320
and it's just someone shooting a gun.

1041
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.159
Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of false positives

1042
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:48.880
with it, but that's really interesting.

1043
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.840
I do want to mention a show that I watched

1044
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.159
for this episode. I think that's where I came across it. Initially.

1045
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.920
It's called Me Hereafter. I found it on Hulu and

1046
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.920
there's only a handful of episodes, but it's one of

1047
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.679
the best true crime shows I've ever watched. It's just

1048
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:11.400
super thorough and it's also heartbreaking because it's Monique, you know,

1049
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:16.199
someone an actress who is posing as telling her story

1050
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.639
on the grave. Yeah. I highly recommended it's it's on

1051
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.320
our show notes here. But there's another case that I'm

1052
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:28.480
working on that I watched of this show, but highly recommended.

1053
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:29.719
It was beautifully done.

1054
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:31.039
Yeah, I haven't heard of that before.

1055
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:41.559
That's the heartbreaking story of Monique Bao. So at the

1056
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:44.239
beginning of the episode, we talked about the World Cup.

1057
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:45.719
Our predictions.

1058
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:51.599
Yeah, we really screwed up because the England loss good.

1059
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.800
Loss to Argentina in the semi finals.

1060
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:58.079
So now it will be Argentina versus Spain.

1061
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.119
So I'm going with Argentina. I'm my new prediction with Spain.

1062
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:04.119
I knew it was I thought it was going to

1063
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:06.639
be Argentina all along, Oh did you?

1064
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:11.079
Oh, yes, all right, Well there is a new documentary

1065
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:16.280
that is going to be released on July sixteenth and seventeenth.

1066
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:20.039
It is a new Scott Peterson documentary airing a an e.

1067
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:23.360
It's called The New Evidence, and that is what we

1068
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.360
are going to be doing this weekend. Oh boy, because

1069
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.159
I am like, what new evidence? This is crazy.

1070
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.639
I didn't know about the documentary, but I did happen

1071
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.599
to see an article today that was quoting Lacey's mom,

1072
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.840
Sharon Rocha, saying there is no new evidence.

1073
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:40.440
Well, I think that article was in People magazine, correct,

1074
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.280
and that was she was responding to this new documentary.

1075
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:46.920
And I do feel so horribly for these families that

1076
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:50.079
are constantly pulled back into the spotlight, you know, you know,

1077
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:54.239
every time there's any new article or documentary or whatever

1078
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.320
it is, that they're pulled back out of their private

1079
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.519
lives and are forced to make these statements and be

1080
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.800
subjected to the new show.

1081
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:04.440
And I'm sure it makes it really hard to move on,

1082
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:04.920
you know.

1083
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.559
Yeah, but of course we'll be tuning in.

1084
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:09.559
Oh yeah, I'm curious to see it.

1085
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.320
And if there is any one thing about the case

1086
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.199
that I'll say I think we did a pretty good

1087
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.639
job when we did our We did a three part

1088
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:21.519
series on it right back when. If there are things

1089
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.639
that weren't tested, I do believe that those things not

1090
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.920
in just Scott Peters, in any case, if there's evidence

1091
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.679
that could have potential, you know, ramifications of guilt or innocence,

1092
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.039
I do think that those things should be tested.

1093
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.320
Yeah. Absolutely, And I know there are a lot of

1094
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.360
people out there who don't believe that he is guilty.

1095
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:42.719
I'm not one of them, but I certainly think that. Yeah,

1096
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.840
like you said, anyone should have that opportunity to clear

1097
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:47.280
their name if there is evidence.

1098
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.760
But he has had so many opportunities, and it does

1099
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:54.519
feel like yeash, let let Lacy rest in peace, let

1100
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:57.719
her family move on with their lives. I've already started

1101
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.960
working on my next case, and it's a true Prime classic,

1102
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:05.039
and I'm really enjoying digging into all the research. But

1103
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.960
there's also a lot of shows and podcasts about it.

1104
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:12.559
And sometimes when I'm researching something, there's so much to consume,

1105
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.840
I will listen to it on one and a half

1106
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:19.159
speed or even double speed. I don't think you do

1107
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:19.639
that as well.

1108
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:23.199
I can't do that. I really I get the inpiration.

1109
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:24.800
Overload, cuckable, amazing brain.

1110
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:30.119
Yes, my brain is not good at processing information quickly,

1111
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.280
and so yeah, I have a hard time if I

1112
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:35.239
listen to something on one and a half speed, I

1113
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.480
just can't. I just can't process it.

1114
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:40.800
So I do all the time, and it takes me.

1115
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:43.079
I have to ramp it up, like I'll start at

1116
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.559
one point too, and then I'll gradually, you know, get

1117
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.360
to two point zero and it can't be everything, and

1118
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.280
I have to pause it a lot to take notes.

1119
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.679
But I'm curious if any of our listeners listen to

1120
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:57.880
us at double speed, or maybe you slow us down.

1121
01:00:58.159 --> 01:00:58.840
I'm curious.

1122
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.079
I would think most people would speed us up rather than.

1123
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.239
Okay, let's get this over with. But I know some

1124
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:07.920
people listen when they sleep. Mm hmmm, well, not really listen,

1125
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:09.559
but use us to fall asleep.

1126
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.400
Yeah, and probably speeding us up wouldn't really be a

1127
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.039
good idea for that, I wouldn't think. Yeah, but I

1128
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.039
don't know. I'd be interested to hear what people how

1129
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:17.679
people listen.

1130
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:21.119
I also recently learned that most people who listen to

1131
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.519
podcasts I think it was eighty percent, say that they

1132
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:28.159
don't really aren't really listening, Like you're doing something else.

1133
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.280
You're you know, cleaning or doing your laundry or taking

1134
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:34.119
your dog for a while, and you're not really processing

1135
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.639
the information. A lot of people do say that they

1136
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:37.679
listen more than once.

1137
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.159
Yeah, I can see that, but I think in a

1138
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:43.400
lot of ways, listening to a podcast or listening to

1139
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.079
an audiobook or whatever while you're doing something else. I've

1140
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:50.400
read that your brain actually can do two things at once,

1141
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:54.480
as long as those two things are very like different activities.

1142
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:56.880
Like walking on a treadmill and listening to a podcast,

1143
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:58.920
you can do both of those things, or driving a

1144
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.280
car and listening to an audio book.

1145
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:04.039
I'm a fidgeter. I like to have things in my hand,

1146
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:07.119
and I think that helps my attention span. It maintains

1147
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:08.000
my attention span.

1148
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:09.599
I can see that there are a lot of things

1149
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:13.679
when I do listen to podcasts or whatever. There are

1150
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.800
a lot of times when I realize I have not

1151
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:18.440
processed anything that I heard in the last five minutes,

1152
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:19.280
and I have to go back.

1153
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:21.679
Yeah, I do that, especially with like NPR is on

1154
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:24.000
the radio and like I didn't get anything from that

1155
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.719
at all. Yeah, So ice cream for dinner.

1156
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:29.480
I think that's my plan. Yeah, that your plan.

1157
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.599
Oh probably not. Actually, I'm not as big of an

1158
01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:33.880
ice cream lover as you are.

1159
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.079
Yeah, I don't know how ice cream is one of

1160
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:37.920
the greatest inventions of all time?

1161
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.840
Is it an invention or somebody? You know, invention and

1162
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:43.840
discovery are two different.

1163
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:44.840
I guess discovery.

1164
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:47.599
You're right, it is an invention because a discovery would

1165
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:48.320
mean that existed.

1166
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:51.400
It was sitting out in the forest somewhere and somebody.

1167
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:52.760
Oh look what's this stream of.

1168
01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:57.760
Now whoever invention? It was a genius. I don't know

1169
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.000
who that was, but yeah, it's really brilliant.

1170
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:05.960
And what if your job was ice cream tester? Oh god,

1171
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:06.559
I got it work?

1172
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:06.920
Okay?

1173
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.360
Oh I cannot eat another because the whole idea of

1174
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:12.280
like being an ice cream tester would be like, well,

1175
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.239
they're not all keepers. Yeah, Like there was that gray

1176
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:18.320
poupone ice cream that right people were eating a couple

1177
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:18.599
of years.

1178
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:21.360
A restaurant I went to once then had like garlic

1179
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:23.679
ice cream. I don't think I tried it, but that

1180
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.840
sound awful. Yeah, being an ice cream tester that would

1181
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:29.639
be I don't know. I think I would enjoy it

1182
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:30.559
for the most part.

1183
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:33.039
You'd have to have a pretty rigorous workout routine.

1184
01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:33.400
You would.

1185
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.840
Maybe you just you really don't eat the whole pint, no,

1186
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.480
you auful.

1187
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.199
The thing that I think about, though, is if you

1188
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:44.280
dedicated your life to being an ice cream tester and then,

1189
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:46.920
like what if you found out you were lactose intolerant, like,

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you know, twenty years into your career and you realize

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you couldn't do that job?

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You would just sit it out. Yeah, I feel like,

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you know, like wine tasters, you would have that ice

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cream spatoon.

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That just sounds sad though.

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