April 21, 2025

Narcy Novack and Ben Novack Jr. - Part 1

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Ben Novack, Jr. was the heir to a fortune built on an iconic American institution – The Fontainebleau hotel in Miami Beach. Benji was an eccentric and abrasive millionaire who managed to alienate nearly everyone he met. With a drug habit, multiple mistresses, and a jaw-dropping collection of jewelry and pop culture memorabilia, he lived a life of excess. There was a long list of people who might have wanted him dead. At the top of that list was his wife, Narcy Novack. When Ben Novack Jr. was found brutally murdered in July 2009, people couldn’t help wondering - had Narcy finally had enough of his running around?

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Today's snacks: Cheetos Crunchy Buffalo and Peeps Party Cake

Episode researched and written by Owen Wesorick.

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Hi, I'm Rich Tina.

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And if there's one thing we've learned and over twenty.

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Years of marriage, some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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And some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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Welcome to love, Mary.

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Kill Hey Tina, Hey rich How are you taking good?

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How are you?

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I'm doing great?

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Great?

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Good to hear good.

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You seem very perky today?

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Sure am. I hope all you listeners enjoyed that theme

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song because apparently you all love it so so much

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and it's just the best ever.

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They do love it. I love it too. I think

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it's great.

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If you don't follow us on Instagram. Recently, I posted

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a poll because I'm not even like being like cute snarky.

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I really don't like her theme song. I've made that

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pretty clear year.

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Since you really tried to. It's been evinced people that

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we should change it.

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I haven't given up, but I posted a poll and

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everyone was like, I love it, Yeah, don't change it. Yeah.

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It was at least ninety percent, and there is a

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fair amount of people that answered the pole. So thank

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you so much for participating in that poll and keep

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enjoying using our theme song fun because they don't normally

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listen to the podcast, but I think I was clicking

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over because now we're on YouTube. I clicked over to

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YouTube just to see how things were going over there

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and a little quiet, but it was I had to

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hear the theme song, and I was like, you still

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maintain that you love it?

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I really do love it. I think it's very It's

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just I feel.

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Like we're kind of perky and the song just is

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just such a downer.

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I don't think it's a downer at all. It makes

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me remember our glorious wedding day.

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You are so wrong because we played music like Weezer, right,

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and we play Weezer, and we played they might be giants,

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they might be giants. It was a very festive occasion,

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and that song is not a festive This.

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Song does make you think of weddings.

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Okay, well, enough about that, you one. I hope you're happy.

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I hope all you listeners are happy to well.

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I have a consolation prize for you, in the form

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of a snack. Okay, would you are you hungry?

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You know what, I am very hungry today. I go

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through days where I'm like I could eat or not,

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and then some days I just want to eat. Like

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a side of beef, and today is a site of

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beef day, so that's good. Yeah, I brought you the

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side of beef.

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Costco corn muffins.

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You shut up. You are the worst husband in the universe.

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We went to Costco yesterday together.

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Yeah you do. You had to, like you want everyone

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to be impressed that he went to Costco. Ladies listeners,

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He's gone to Costco three times in his entire life.

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Who goes every week? Twice a week? Me, I know,

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I'm just I'm just cheesing.

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He's a wonderful I brought the corn muffins.

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It was funny because we went to Costco and whenever

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anyone goes with me grocery shopping, I always say you

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can get whatever you want because I'm just always so

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happy to have company. Yeah, and when you put we

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a lot of times don't always, but we get the

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like a thing of Costco muffins, and we won't go

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into the new smaller sized Costco muffins because we all

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feel a certain way about that in our house because

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we used to cut them in half and I would

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like throw them in the freezer and like you could

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get a blueberry muffin whenever you want. I don't like

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the new ones as much, so I guess I wouldn't.

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Yeah, you said you weren't going to go into it,

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but you did, but.

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Well a little bit. But anyway, you could have picked

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any muffin, and you picked the cornffins. Yeah.

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I love corn bread, I really do, and.

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These I actually really hate corn bread. I don't know why.

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I just really don't like it. Yeah I do, So

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tell us how you felt about the corn muffins.

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I think they were great. I think really good. Yeah,

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but let me bring out the real snacks I bought you.

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They're really not that much more exciting. I think part

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two snack you're going to be really excited about. But

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but part one, I brought you some buffalo Cheetos crunchy.

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I mean Cheetos buffaloes.

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I've never had that.

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Can I apologize? I need to offer apology to you

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for calling you the worst husband in the universe, because

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that might have been a slight exaggerator.

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I was pretty sure you were joking about that. But

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then I also, because this episode is going to drop

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right around Easter, I brought you some peeps party cake

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flavor peeps Peep.

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Yeah, you're back to the worst husband on the planet

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of all the kids in all the world. When have

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you eaten a peepe?

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I've eaten many peeps in my life.

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So the other night we were sitting at the dinner

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table and our kids were like, don't buy peeps. Do

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not buy peeps for the Easter baskets. And our kids

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are definitely too old for an Easter basket, but they

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still get an Easter basket. But yeah, they the peeps

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are great. I just like the doing the peeps. If

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you've never done this before, you take up two peeps

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and you give them, put like stuff a toothpick in

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their beak, and then you put them in their microwave,

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and I don't know, I don't remember how long.

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You do it.

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Because it looks like they're bad like their sort. You

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don't remember this.

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I remember putting them in the microwave, but I don't.

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If you do, like with a toothpick, and it looks

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like they're battling dueling. Oh okay, all right, so you're

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going to make me eat what flavor is.

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The cake flavored? Okay, we'll be right back. What did

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you think about the buffalo crunchy Cheetos and the party

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flavored Peeps.

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I'm gonna have to go with no, no.

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No, no, I'm both. Yeah.

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Really, I mean I love I really love Cheetos, which

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I'm embarrassed to say as an adult like I but

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the Buffalo I am not. I'm not a fan. And

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the peep you know that it tasted like a normal peep.

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The party cake didn't impress me much.

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Wow, Okay, I'm sorry to disappoint you.

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I think you'll appreciate you.

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I think you'll like part two, Sack, let's just do it. No,

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I brought I made it part two intentionally so you

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would have to come back for part two.

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You were worried.

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I'm always a little worried. Give us a rating.

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When I walked into the room, you were like recording

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on your own. I was like, all right, i'll see

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you later.

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Give us your rating for your for the Cheetos.

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The Cheetos, I would go like four out of ten

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and the peeps, sorry peeps, a one out of ten.

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Oh my, how about you.

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I would give the Cheetos a seven out of ten

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and I'd give the peeps a seven out of ten. Wow,

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I can both and I think they pair really well

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together because the cheetos are a little spicy, and then

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the peep afterwards is really very kind of cools your

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mouth off, so I'd recommend them together.

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And you also brought me a gas station soda, so

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that was very nice. If you thank you, You're welcome.

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You are not the worst husband. No, all right, well

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we should talk about the case of Ben Novak Junior

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and Narsi Novak. This is a recommendation from our listener,

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and thank you and for the recommendation. Super interesting case.

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I don't know why I seem to gravitate toward cases

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that are about wealthy people, because I'm just sort of

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fascinated by like people who have a lot of money

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and just screw up their lives in one way or another.

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So this is another example of that. And if I

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have a content warning for this case, it's that everyone,

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almost everyone in the story is a horrible person. It's

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nice to be able to say, like the victim was

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a great presence. No, not in this case. You're not

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going to like anybody noted. In the early morning hours

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of July twelfth, two thousand and nine, screams rang out

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through the Hilton Westchester in Ryebrook, New York. Narsy Novak

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sobbed atop her husband's mangled body. Tape was stretched across

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his face. Both of his eyes had been gouged out.

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Ben Novak Junior was dead. He was the heir to

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a fortune built on an iconic American institution, an eccentric

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and abrasive millionaire who managed to alienate nearly everyone he met.

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With a drug habit, multiple mistresses, and a jaw dropping

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collection of jewelry and pop culture memorabilia. He lived a

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life of excess. There was a long list of people

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who might have wanted him dead. It was the second

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family tragedy in a short period of time. Ben's mother

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had died only three months earlier, seemingly due to a fall.

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Rumors were floating around the family. Narsy and Benja Junior

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had always had problems, but people couldn't help wondering had

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she finally had enough of his running around. Benjamin Novak

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Senior was born to a Russian Jewish family in nineteen

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o seven. He was the youngest of four children. His

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parents were Sadi and Hyman Novic. Ben would later change

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his last name americanizing it to Novak instead of Novic.

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Hyman ran a hotel in the Catskill Mountains in the

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southeastern part of New York State. The area was commonly

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referred to as the Borscht Belt or the Yiddish Alps,

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as it was the premier vacation destination for Eastern European

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Jewish immigrants. Many other hotels and resorts at this time

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would bar Jews from entry, which left a big opening

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in the market, a hole which was filled by many

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Eastern European Jews who immigrated to the area and started

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their own hotels. Ben's father died in the mid nineteen

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thirties and he took over operation of the hotel along

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with his older brother. But Ben wasn't good with teamwork.

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He and his brother fought a lot, and eventually they

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had a falling out. So Ben moved to New York

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City and started Kemp and Novak, a clothing supply haberdasherie.

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This business failed as Ben had another falling out with

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a business partner. You'll see that as a theme as

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the story goes on. Ben had a hard time getting

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along with people, and that also passed along to his son,

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Ben Junior as well.

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So I just asked you if they only made hats,

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because I thought Habitasherie meant a hat maker.

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And that's what I thought as well.

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The Google says that it is a maker of men's.

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Yeah, clothing and accessories. Yeah. I had the same thing

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in my mind that haberdashery meant a hat store. But

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apparently that is not the case. After Ben's haberdashery failed,

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he liquidated all of his assets so that he had

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some money to use to relocate. In nineteen forty, he

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and his new wife, Bella Novak, relocated to Miami Beach, Florida.

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He got very lucky with his timing because upon arrival,

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he and multiple business partners purchased the Monroe Towers Hotel,

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which the United States government then rented out for use

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as a military training after the Pearl Harbor attacks. Ben

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used the profits from Monroe Towers to purchase four other hotels,

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which in turn the army paid him to rent out,

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so he effectively became a hotel magnate off the back

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of government subsidies. Wealth changed Ben almost overnight. He started

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wearing nice suits and shaving his mustache in the French manner.

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He was already a jerk prior to arriving in Miami.

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But afterwards he really became a tyrant. He was cold

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blooded and spiteful and double dealing. He would often try

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to stiff people who worked for him.

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I'm sorry, what is shaving a mustache into the French manner? Mean?

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I just sent you a picture, but it's very much

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like a like just a neat, kind of thin mustache,

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like very well well groomed.

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Okay.

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Ben and Bella adopted a two year old son named Ronald,

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but Ben was an adoptive father in name only. He

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was far too busy with his hospitality business, and he

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often had to take long trips to New York City

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for business. He claimed. In nineteen fifty one, he abruptly

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divorced Bella he had fallen in love with another woman,

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a model named Bernice Stemple. Bernice was born in nineteen

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twenty two in the Upper West Side of New York City.

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She was one of two daughters born to William Stemple

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and Rowena Stemple. Bernice's father was a wealthy playboy who

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made his fortune in New York's insurance business. He didn't

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take his wedding vows seriously and could often be found

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around town cavorting with any woman who looked his way.

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Rowena decided who could play at that game, and she

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began an affair with William's best friend. When William found out,

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he threw Rowena out of the house. Their divorce became

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tabloid fodder for the local press. William won custody of

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his two daughters, Bernice and Maxine, but he had no

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interest in actually raising them. Custody was more of a

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prize or a point of spite. He didn't want Rowena

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to have the kids, but he didn't really want them either,

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so William sent Bernice and Maxine to live with his sisters.

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The ants weren't equipped to raise the kids either, so

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these extremely wealthy children were sent to an orphan instead

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of simply being allowed to be raised by their mother.

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This is horrible.

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This is what I mean when I say that almost

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everyone in this story is a horrible person, Like they

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just no interest in raising their kids. Just ship them

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off somewhere and let someone else raise them.

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So Rowena wanted the children, but he wanted to win

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the court battle more.

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Yes, exactly right.

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Oh that's horrible.

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Bernice became painfully shy due to the intense emotional trauma

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this upbringing inflicted upon her. As young women, both Bernice

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and Maxine were quite striking, turning heads wherever they went

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with their red hair and freckles. When she finished school,

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Bernice was on her way to a career as a secretary,

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but then fate intervened. She was spotted by a talent

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scout on the street who offered her a job as

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a model. She began working for Conover Model Agency, the

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business which basically created the concept of supermodels and coined

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the phrase cover girl. Bernice modeled for the Coca Cola

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company and Old Gold Cigarettes. She became, for a period

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the face of Coca Cola. She would often frequent the

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Stork Club, a speakeasy turned Manhattan nightclub famous for its

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wealthy and glamorous clientele think of it as Studio fifty

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four before Studio fifty four. Frequent patrons included Lucille Ball

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and Desi Arnez from The I Love Lucy Show.

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You really you have to tell people where Lucille Ball

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and Devinez Junior Chi.

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I know everyone as as much history of you know,

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watching old TV shows as you and I might, but

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also the Roosevelts, the Vanderbilts, Ava Gardner, Ernest Hemingway, Frank Costello.

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Pretty Much any movie star, politician, or mobster who wanted

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to feel important came to the Stork Club. It was

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the sort of place Bernice would become intimately familiar with

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later in life.

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Then first met Bernice in a nightclub, not the Stork,

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but the La Martinique a few blocks west. The thirty

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eight year old bought champagne for her table and bragged

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about his plans to build a hotel empire. Bernice was

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not particularly impressed by this sweaty, married, middle aged man

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who had to yell over the music of the nightclub

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to speak with her. To see Bernice again, Ben hired

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the Conover agency and made up a photo shoot. He

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said he wanted an all American girl with red hair

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and freckles, describing Bernice's appearance to a tea. A week later,

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Bernice arrived at the shoot and found Ben there smiling.

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Bernice must have been impressed by Ben's tenacity, because she

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began seeing him every time she came to New York

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for business.

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You imagine, just like having the money to make up

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a modeling photo shoot just so you could hire a

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girl that you like.

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It seems a little manipulative, if you ask me a

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little bit. Bernice was already married when she first met Ben,

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to a middle class man named Arthur Dreysen, who had

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been sent to fight in Europe shortly after their wedding.

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His absence, not to mention his lack of wealth, destined

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theirs to be a short marriage. Drawsen took the break

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up well, and the two remained friends for the rest

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of their lives. Bernice's affair with Ben lasted for seven

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years before he finally divorced Bella and tied the knot

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with Bernice. They married in New York in nineteen fifty two.

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Bernice's father refused to allow Rowena, her mother, to attend

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the wedding. In marrying Ben, Bernice gave up a profitable

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modeling career because he insisted that she stopped working. She

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moved to Miami Beach, away from everybody she knew. She

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soon found herself in the midst of a personal crisis.

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Ben didn't have much time for her, as he was

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deep in the weeds developing his next hotel. His business

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partners and their wives were all much older than she was,

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so she didn't have much in common with them. She

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grew extremely lonely and spent most of her time in

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her bedroom. Bernice's sister Maxine had this to say about

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Ben quote, Bernice married a man just like our father, controlling,

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self centered, and not particularly sensitive. Ben opened the Fountain

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Blow Hotel in nineteen fifty four. It was a big deal,

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becoming the most famous hotel in Miami and up to

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that point, the most luxurious. Named it after the Fontainbleau

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Palace in Paris, though whenever Ben pronounced it, he always

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called it the Fountain Blue instead of the Frends pronunciation Fontainebleau.

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And I think, honestly, most people call it the Fountain Blue.

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I've been to this hotel for conferences before, and I've

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always heard people refer to it as the Fountain Blue Hotel.

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That's what I thought, too, But I can't say words

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in English, let alone French. So bear with me.

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I'll do the best week.

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Well, you do it pretty well. I think you had

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French in like high school. I've never had French. I

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should probably do like the French duo lingo or whatever.

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So he had never actually been inside of the Paris Fontainbleau.

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He seemed mostly interested in channeling the idea of an

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old world palatial luxury. There was no sign outside of

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the Fontamblau to advertise the purpose of the building. Then

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liked it that way and thought it lent the building

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a similar majesty to European chateaus. Those never had signs either.

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He thought, if you didn't know what the building was,

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then you didn't belong there. The Fountain Blow was famous

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for its unique curved shape, which set it apart from

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other hotels in the area. Ben took all the credit

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for the design. He claimed that he was struck by

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inspiration while sitting on the toilet and sketched the plans

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out right then and there for two hours while his

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pants were still around his ankles. Thank you for including

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all of this extra detail.

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So hopefully it creates a little picture, yeah.

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That you don't want, while it's a good story. The

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architect Morris Lappetis disputes this claim. Given his tendency for big,

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blustery exaggerated claims, Ben was probably not actually responsible for

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the design. Morris Lappetist spent years of his life working

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on the fontain Blow for next to nothing. Novak paid

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him an insultingly low wage, taking advantage of Lappetus's passion

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for the project. Lappets put up with it because he

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knew the project could put him on the map, make

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him far more famous, and lead to better jobs. He

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basically bankrupted him himself building the Fontain Blow, and even

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took out personal loans to complete the construction. Meanwhile, Ben

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Novak was making money off of the graft while he

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told his financial partners that he was paying Morris Lapidis

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two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for the project, In actuality,

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he had only paid Lappetis eighty thousand, with an additional

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handshake deal for seventy five thousand dollars to be paid

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upon completion. Ben pocketed the difference for himself. So this

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is a year's long project.

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Yeah, I think it took two years to build that.

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I'm sure there was more time before they started building

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for the design. So yeah, definitely length A lengthy project.

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When the construction was finally completed and Lapidis asked for

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his additional seventy five thousand dollars, Ben pretended that he'd

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never made any such deal. Lappetis so strung out and

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tired from all the work and stretched so financially thin

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completely snapped. He chased Ben around the hotel grounds and

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a jacked him. People had to pull the two apart

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when lappet Has explained the situation. They were curious that

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Ben would try to con them out of their money.

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Lappetis eventually got paid, but he and Novak became lifelong enemies.

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Moore's Lapidus would later design the rival Eden Rock Hotel

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right next to the Font and Blow for Ben Novak's

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real estate enemy, Harry Muffson. Is a form of revenge

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for being stiffed. Ever spiteful and not to be outdone,

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Ben strategically built a seventeen story blank wall on the

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Font and Blow property to block the sunlight from hitting

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the eden Rock Pool during peak sunbathing hours. This became

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known as the Spite Wall. There was only one large

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window in the wall, which was strategically designed to give

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line of sight from Ben and Bernice's dining room to

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the eden Rock Pool area. Ben loved looking out as

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the shadow crept over the pool, sending sunbathers scurrying away

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to sunnier locations.

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That's crazy, isn't it.

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Its Banyana.

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There were lawsuits over this whole thing too, But I

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don't think I don't think Muffson ever succeed getting the

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wall removed.

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Really, it's not still there though, is it.

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It is still there, but it's not just a wall.

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He actually built or somebody actually built another tower right

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next to like where the wall is, so it's not

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just a blank wall blocking the sunlight. But there is

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a building there blocking the sunlight.

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Wow, that is nuts.

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The Fontain Blow became the its spot in the nineteen sixties.

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The store Club for Miami Beach JFK would stay there

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and was rumored to have stayed there with Marilyn Monroe.

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Frank Sinatra was a frequent guest, which led to his

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entire social circle becoming regulars. The rat Pack and the

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Mob were now font and Blow staples, and with the

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Mob's presence, drugs and prostitution followed. A steady supply of

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cocaine and marijuana was available for those who wanted it,

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and call girls could easily be found in the hotel's

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poodle room lounge. Then and Bernice Novak became unbelievably wealthy.

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Bernice had more jewelry than she knew what to do with,

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including a massive diamond necklace personally gifted to her by

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Frank Sinatra. Ben began calling himself mister Fontaineblow in day

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to day conversation. Can you describe the font and blow

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to us?

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It's beautiful, beautiful property. I think since this time that

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we're talking about the case, it went downhill and then

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it got renovated at some point. So what I saw

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was after it was renovated and modernized, but a beautiful hotel,

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very luxurious, very swanky. I was there at a conference

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once and it was just a beautiful place.

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Did you see Sammy Davis Junior and drink Sinatra?

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I didn't. I think it might have been a little

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mare time. No, not Dean Martin either.

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We'll be back after a break. I apologize for what

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I said when you tried to give me corn muffins.

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Sometimes I'm a little snarky and I'm just saying in

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a jokey manner, and I feel like it comes across

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as like I'm a really mean.

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I know that you're joking, so that's the main thing

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that matters. I think pretty much everybody knows you're joking

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to me.

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Let's go back to the case now, Okay.

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Bernice gave birth to Benjamin Novak Junior in nineteen fifty six. Benji,

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as everyone called him, was faded to become a little monster.

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Neither of his parents had any time for him. Whenever

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Halloween rolled around, he was sent trick or treating in

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a chauffeur limo.

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He was raised a rich boy.

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He was raised in a five star hotel with free

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room service and cleaning whenever he wanted it. Basically, he

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grew up with a staff of servants at his beck

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and call. He was constantly exposed to the lifestyles of

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the rich and famous, so he bore witness to drug use,

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excessive drinking, and prostitution. At an early age, he was

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taken care of by a strict German nurse named Bella,

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who did everything for little Benji, including wiping his mouth

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when he would eat. She also forced the naturally left

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handed boy into using his right hand, which traumatized him.

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According to real relatives, Benji was extremely poorly socialized and

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had no manners whatsoever. He was incapable of interacting with

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other children, who usually couldn't stand to be around him.

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When he had tantrums, which was often everyone was afraid

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to be near him. The few times he stayed with

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his aunt Maxine and her children, she was horrified by

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the child's behavior.

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It sounds like you're being overly harsh to poor little

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Ben here.

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I don't think so. I think he was a little monster.

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Ben and Bernice weren't raising their kid because they were

477
00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.759
too busy cheating on each other a lot, like a

478
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:35.119
ridiculous amount. It was more Ben seeing other women than

479
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.799
Bernice seeing other men, but they were both doing it.

480
00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.000
This reached a boiling point when Bernice slept with one

481
00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.000
of the musicians headlining a performance at the Fontain Blow.

482
00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:46.799
Ben found out, had the man beaten and threw him

483
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:50.200
out of the hotel. Divorce proceedings went forward. It took

484
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:52.359
a long time for the legal battle to settle, but

485
00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.359
eventually Bernice was freed from Ben's shackles. She moved out

486
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.519
of the Fonta Blow, maintaining only a perfunctory presence in

487
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:01.960
her son's life, and devoted most of her time to

488
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.240
the Science of the Mind Church. As Benji grew older,

489
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:08.839
he developed a stutter so bad that he was practically nonverbal.

490
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:12.880
He basically couldn't communicate with anybody, especially not kids his

491
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.759
own age. He filled the social hole in his life

492
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.960
with Batman. He became obsessed with the sixties television show

493
00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:34.480
starring Adam West. I had to include a little bit

494
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.759
of the Batman core memory.

495
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:40.359
And this is really funny, Like, obviously I was not

496
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.599
a child of the sixties, but it was as a

497
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.240
rerun later. I remember as a little kid, whenever we

498
00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:47.839
would watch Batman, I had a special dance that I did.

499
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.319
You know, it was like the Batman Dance song, and

500
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:53.720
I did it every time just to annoy my sister

501
00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:56.640
and I would like to do it right.

502
00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.000
For the teav That is really funny.

503
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.759
While we're on a tangent, you mentioned the Science of

504
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.799
the Mind church, which sounds like a cults type situation.

505
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:09.319
Was that the case.

506
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:11.440
I don't think it's so much of a cult as

507
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.559
more of like a kind of a New Age type religion.

508
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.079
So they were probably really happy to have a wealthy

509
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:19.680
divorce a in their presence.

510
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.559
Yes, I'm sure Benji's Batman hobby led him to an interest,

511
00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:27.319
maybe even an obsession, with stopping crime. He started hanging

512
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.640
out with all of the ex cops who worked security

513
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:32.640
at the font and Blow. It quickly became understood among

514
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.920
the security staff that keeping their jobs was contingent on

515
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:39.680
their willingness to babysit Benji. When he was fifteen years old,

516
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.400
Ben Senior arranged for Benji to go out on a

517
00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:45.559
weekly ride alongs with the police. Since he had become

518
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.279
so obsessed with the idea of being a crime fighter

519
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:51.039
when he grew up, and since Ben Novak Senior was

520
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:54.240
such an influential guy and all of the retired cops

521
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.079
went to the Fontain blow for security work, there was

522
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.960
an unofficial employment pipeline which he presided over. The police

523
00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.640
department had no choice but to let the kid ride along,

524
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.960
though the actual working cops had much less patience for

525
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:10.880
him than the Fontainblau security did. Eventually, Benji applied to

526
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.920
join the Miami Beach Police Department. He did so when

527
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.359
he was in the midst of working on a bachelor's degree.

528
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:19.960
He was accepted into the Southeast Florida Institute of Criminal

529
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:23.440
Justice in nineteen seventy four. He went through the mandatory

530
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.119
one hundred and sixty hours of training, graduated, and officially

531
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.279
became a member of the police department, a reserve officer.

532
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.119
Two ten hour shifts per month, so not a full

533
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.480
time officer. When his shifts rolled around, nobody in the

534
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.240
department wanted to ride with him. He had an incredibly

535
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:43.559
grating presence, was very high maintenance, entitled, whiney and rude.

536
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.200
On top of all that, he drove like a crazy

537
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.559
person in the squad car, making anyone unlucky enough to

538
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.599
find themselves in the passenger seat afraid for their life.

539
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.640
He had already been in a car accident once the

540
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.640
previous year, accidentally ramming his Ford Thunderbird into an ambulance.

541
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.519
He got off scott free, probably because of his dad's connections.

542
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.880
But Benji needed a job outside of his two shifts

543
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.559
per month roaming the streets wearing a badge and gun,

544
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.079
so his dad appointed him vice president of the Fontainbleau.

545
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.319
The position came with a salary, a company car, and

546
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.480
a luxury apartment inside the hotel.

547
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:23.079
So he's like twenty three, twenty four maybe, and she's

548
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.240
vice president of this massive hotel.

549
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:27.680
Yeah, which he has lived in his whole life.

550
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:28.400
What could go wrong?

551
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:28.759
Yeah?

552
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:29.200
Exactly.

553
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.960
Sounds like the staff just adores him too, right, with.

554
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.400
Free reign to do whatever he wanted in the hotel,

555
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.279
he would often play security guard. He could be found

556
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.519
prowling the halls looking for trouble, his police radio in

557
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.000
hand turned to full volume. All of the actual security

558
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.279
guards hated him. To give you an idea of Benji's appearance,

559
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.440
he was six foot three inches tall, towering over his father.

560
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:54.359
He had long black hair and a big, bushy beard,

561
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.440
neither of which were ever combed or groomed. He wore

562
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:01.680
oversized nineteen seventies style glass, a style that he preferred

563
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.680
for the entirety of his adult life. While ben Novak

564
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.440
Senior was a man who placed stock in old world

565
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.880
ideas of glamour and class, preferring a tailored suit and

566
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.519
a tie, and the occasional Trilby hat, which is similar

567
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.480
to a fedora. I had never heard of a Trilby

568
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:21.599
hat before myself. Benji exclusively wore Hawaiian shirts halfway buttoned up.

569
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.799
His furry chest was always prominently displayed to the world.

570
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.200
If he really had to dress up, you might see

571
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.039
him wearing a black T shirt under a blazer. There

572
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.559
was a rumor, never explicitly confirmed, that Benji had lost

573
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.039
his virginity very early in life to one of the

574
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:39.559
escorts who hung around the poodle room lounge. Given his

575
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:42.200
tendency to pester the staff of the hotel until they

576
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.559
did what he wanted lest he tell his father about

577
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.759
their disobedience, it adds up that he might have propositioned

578
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.759
one of the escorts and leveraged his father's influence to

579
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.160
make it happen. He certainly had a type that was

580
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.319
similar to the poodle room women, tall, glamorous, voluptuous. When

581
00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:59.559
he got a little older, he had a rotating roster

582
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.839
of women who he'd see almost exclusively sex workers, showgirls,

583
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.079
and strippers. He brought his favorites to his friend, doctor

584
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.400
Larry Robbins, a plastic surgeon for breast augmentation surgeries. He

585
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.400
was always adamant that he picked the size of the implants,

586
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.319
and that he watched while Robins performed the surgery.

587
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.279
Well, this is a little creepy.

588
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:23.119
It's a lot creepy. His first serious relationship of note

589
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.519
was with Jill Campion, a twenty nine year old former showgirl.

590
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.079
Benji was only twenty at the time, but he had

591
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:31.480
lied and told her that he was thirty. With his

592
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:34.720
massive beard, he could pass for older. He had also

593
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.720
at this point gotten a handle on his stutter. Benji

594
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.720
was very controlling and much like his father, he was

595
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.319
unfaithful from the very beginning, regularly cheating on her with

596
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.799
a flight attendant. He insisted upon Jill being as skinny

597
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.720
as possible. He made her take diet pills and would

598
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:54.559
often choose her clothing for her. Jill's friends, surprise, surprise,

599
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:58.200
hated Benji. He was rude and brash and had no filter.

600
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.720
He would often tell Jill's friends that they ought to

601
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.640
change the way they dress, or he would criticize how

602
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.400
they wore their hair. At this point, along with the cheating,

603
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.720
he also developed a taste for cocaine. He always had

604
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.799
a bag on him and he would even sniff the

605
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.720
stuff when he went out on patrol. He liked using it,

606
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.480
of course, it got him high, but he also liked

607
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.519
just having it. It kept people coming to him. He

608
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.559
had something that people wanted, which in turn made him

609
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:27.559
feel wanted and powerful. Even though he was a terrible boyfriend,

610
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.519
Jill saw something in him and decided to move in

611
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.480
with him. After dating for two months, He proposed to

612
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.000
her soon after, in what is probably the least romantic

613
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.880
way to propose to someone. He simply left a ring

614
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:44.759
on her dresser, never even verbally asking her to marry him.

615
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.359
So she said yes. Apparently she just started wearing the

616
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:51.039
ring in that guess, so very strange. The fontam Blow

617
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.960
started to hit harder times in the late nineteen seventies

618
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.079
after several changes in the hospitality market. Disney World opened

619
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:01.759
up in Orlando, siphoning business away from Miami Beach. Las

620
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:05.680
Vegas became the new crazy party destination with the added

621
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:09.960
bonus of legal gambling, so those seeking debauchery were less

622
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.200
inclined to make the trip to Florida. Cruises were becoming

623
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.839
a lot more popular as well, with more fun and

624
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.960
novelty to offer vacationers compared to the krusty old font

625
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.720
and Blow. The font and Blow was great if you

626
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.680
were a mobster, old school rep retpac guy, or a

627
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.440
sleazy politician looking to hire a sex worker in the

628
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.200
poodle room, but that's not enough to build a whole

629
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.400
business on where it mattered. The font and Blau was

630
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:40.519
being outclassed, and their once handsome, French inspired decorp now

631
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:43.519
just looked dated. So the way you're describing this, it

632
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:47.200
became kind of like the cdmotel in town where maybe

633
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.960
illegal activities happened.

634
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:50.680
Yeah, and I think the whole town kind of went

635
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.079
downhill a little bit too, because people were going to

636
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.039
other other places, more so than Miami Beach at that time.

637
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.160
With less money pouring in, Ben Seniors stopped paying his taxes.

638
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.079
It turns out the IRS doesn't like it when you

639
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:03.359
do that.

640
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:05.200
Don't do that if you're thinking about it.

641
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.440
They began investigating the Fontainebleau, and by nineteen seventy six

642
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.359
they informed Ben's Senior that he owed one point three

643
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.680
million dollars in back taxes. He either needed to pay

644
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.799
up or the hotel would be auctioned off to the

645
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.559
highest bidder by the government. Ben Senior managed to scrounge

646
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.960
up two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to pay off

647
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.119
some of the debt and keep the lights on for

648
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.119
a little longer, but the financial toll was being felt

649
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.960
by the staff and guests. The font and Blow staff

650
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.480
stopped receiving health coverage. Their paychecks were late if they

651
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.559
came at all. The bartenders were told to pour cheap

652
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.119
champagne into the dom Perignon bottles. The local three point

653
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.359
fifty five union for hotel workers went on strike due

654
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.599
to the poor treatment. Ben's Senior handled that how you

655
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.200
would expect, threatening to fire them and hire new employees

656
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:56.480
who wouldn't complain. Frank Sinatra, wanting to preserve the memory

657
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.200
of his old haunt, tried to buys Ben's Senior out

658
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.920
and take over the hotel, but Ben Senior was stubborn

659
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.799
as always and refused to even think about it. This

660
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.359
led to a knocked down fistfight between the two men.

661
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:14.039
Sinatra would never return to the Fontainblue Wow. In January

662
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:18.440
nineteen seventy seven, the Fontainbleau went into state court receivership,

663
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:23.680
now owing twenty seven million dollars in back taxes, Ben

664
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.119
Senior filed for a Chapter eleven bankruptcy just to stay

665
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.559
at the Helm a little longer. He was allowed to

666
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.039
keep running the hotel as if it were normal, but

667
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:34.720
it was no longer the bastion of five star luxury

668
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.680
it was once famous for. Employees were not being paid,

669
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.799
the bed sheets weren't even being washed. Seeing the writing

670
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.480
on the wall, Novak moved all of his assets into

671
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.799
offshore accounts, trying to hoard as much wealth as possible

672
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.799
as he could for the eventual doomsday when he would

673
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.720
be ousted from the Fontain Blow. That day came in

674
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.880
nineteen seventy eight, when housing developer and land barn Stephen

675
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.240
Muss bought the hotel. He hired Hilton to manage the

676
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.519
day to day of the hotel and put a large

677
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:06.759
sign outside for the first time in its twenty four

678
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:11.039
years of operation. Ben Senior was devastated. Here he was

679
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:14.559
mister Fontenblau, who had lived in the hotel for decades,

680
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.920
kicked out of the building he had made into his identity.

681
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:20.760
Ben Senior moved in with his sister and sued to

682
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.719
have his alimony payments to Bernice terminated now that he

683
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.639
didn't have an official income. Of course, this was just

684
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.519
legal acrobatics. In reality, he had plenty of money. He

685
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.639
began drowning his sorrows, drinking himself into oblivion. While not

686
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.639
quite as upset as his father, Benji wasn't happy about

687
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.360
the change in ownership either. He had been hoping to

688
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.880
eventually inherit the Fontenblou. Now he didn't even have the

689
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.920
make work job his dad had given him. He downgraded

690
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.360
to working for the health and beauty and multi level

691
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:54.360
marketing company Amway. International. He had a forty five thousand

692
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.599
dollars per year salary, running conventions and entertaining board members.

693
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.679
Benji and Jill Mary in nineteen seventy nine in an

694
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:05.559
Orthodox Jewish ceremony. Joe and through the conversion process a

695
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.920
few months earlier for Benji. The two never took a honeymoon.

696
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.920
Benji was too busy with work. He did find time

697
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.360
to head out on a business trip immediately after their ceremony.

698
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.000
Though Bernice was displeased by the marriage, feeling her son

699
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.159
could do better than some former show girl, and she

700
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.960
made her distaste for Jill well known to anybody who

701
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.639
would listen. She also didn't like the age gap and

702
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.199
felt Benji ought to be with someone closer to his

703
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.119
own age. Jill, of course, didn't actually know Benji's real age,

704
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.880
or at least not until they were married. One night,

705
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.239
he confessed to Jill that he'd bled about his age

706
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.920
and that he was ten years younger than he said

707
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:45.039
he was. It suddenly made much more sense to Jill

708
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.159
why Bernice had been so cruel to her. Benji and

709
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:50.599
Jill tried to buy a house together, but Bernice got

710
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.559
on the way confined to his forty five thousand dollars

711
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.639
annual salary. Benji was dependent on his mother for her

712
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.000
most large expenses. Bernice would only help her son purchase

713
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.880
a house if Jill's name was kept off the deed,

714
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.559
So no house for them. So forty five thousand dollars

715
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:10.559
a year, this is like nineteen seventy eight ish. That's

716
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:12.079
still a very good salary.

717
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.280
Bad, but yeah, I think he was still just getting

718
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:14.880
started though.

719
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.360
One day, Jill found girafts for divorce papers in their apartment.

720
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.000
She confronted Benji with them, and he told Jill that

721
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.280
they were forgeries. His mother had been bothering him so

722
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.039
much about his marriage to Jill that he'd lied to

723
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.159
her and told her that they'd gotten divorced. Jill couldn't

724
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:35.639
stand how controlling Bernice was and how ben humored her interventions. This,

725
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.760
on top of constant cheating, led to a real divorce

726
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.360
only two years after they'd gotten married. Benji turned his

727
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:46.519
amway job into something bigger. Leveraging his name and family reputation,

728
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.119
He courted other corporate clients, organizing conventions for them as well.

729
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.880
He started his own company called Convention Concepts Unlimited. Bernice

730
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.679
now on the board of the Science of the Mine

731
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:01.119
Church joined Benji's company. In a scene your position, she

732
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.079
used her leadership role in the church to register Convention

733
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:09.119
Concepts Unlimited as a religious organization exempt from taxes.

734
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.119
That's pretty shady, I'll say.

735
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.440
Be also applied to become a detective, but he was

736
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.920
rejected due to the remaining vestiges of his stutter, which

737
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.480
came out under stress. This was a problem for police work,

738
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:27.239
which requires constant communication over the radio in stressful situations.

739
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:29.760
His father was no longer in a position to pressure

740
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.159
people to promote his son. To scratch the itch, Benji

741
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:37.599
formed his own private security company called Eagle. It functioned

742
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.360
primarily as a partner corporation for Convention's Concepts Unlimited, offering

743
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:46.519
security services for corporate events and conventions, but also offered

744
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:51.199
other services such as discreete surveillance for divorce attorneys. Now,

745
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.440
whenever he wanted to play detective, Benji had the opportunity

746
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.760
to spend the night staking out the home of a

747
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:58.519
suspected cheating spouse.

748
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.239
He really really wanted to fight crime bad.

749
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.840
Yeah, he really did. So he's got these two businesses.

750
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.800
It's kind a lot going on here, so what is

751
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.559
the convention's concepts unlimited?

752
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.000
So it's basically like an event planning organization, like companies

753
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.559
that need to put on a convention or whatever. He

754
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.239
would help organize the convention and manage it.

755
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.559
Did he kind of hand that over to his mom

756
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.119
and that became her project.

757
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.079
No, I think they worked on it together, and I

758
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.480
think the security company was just sort of a side

759
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.360
project and he would just, you know, his convention company

760
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.239
would hire his security company to do security at the

761
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.760
conferences that he managed. In nineteen eighty three, Benji was

762
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.440
out at a strip club with his cop buddies, something

763
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.800
he did a lot, especially post divorce, and found himself

764
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.840
enthralled by a blonde Ecuadorian stripper who called herself Sylvia.

765
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.519
He was generous with his money and slipped quite a

766
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.400
lot of cash into her thong. As he was leaving,

767
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.079
he handed Sylvia his business card and told her to

768
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.400
call him. Sylvia was a stage name. The woman's real

769
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.559
name was Narcisa Vali Pacheco, but everyone just called her Narsy.

770
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.840
She was supposedly born in nineteen fifty three, but we

771
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.480
have no tangible proof of that, and she was known

772
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.079
to lie about her age. Narsy was raised in Guadyakiel,

773
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:16.079
the largest city in Ecuador. Her family wasn't completely impoverished,

774
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:18.920
but they were definitely on the poorer side. One of

775
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.360
eight children, she toughened up quickly out of necessity. When

776
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.320
she was twenty three, Narsy emigrated from Ecuador to the

777
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:29.480
United States, settling down in Hyalia, Florida. She was following

778
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.079
in the footsteps of several of her older siblings who

779
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.400
had made the move before her, and ended up in

780
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.639
New York or Naples. She brought with her her husband

781
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.800
and their two year old daughter, may Abad. The husband

782
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.159
was not in the picture for very long. The marriage

783
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.239
broke up soon after they arrived in Florida. Now a

784
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.760
single mother with bills to pay and a mouth to feed,

785
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.880
she became an exotic dancer to make ends meet. The

786
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.760
club she danced at was called Folly's International. Her coworkers

787
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.559
found her unpleasant. She was easily angered and poorly mannered,

788
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.239
so she was a perfect matt for Benji.

789
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.199
Think you read a little hard on poor Benji.

790
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.719
She called him, dialing the number on his business card.

791
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.280
Once she learned he was the son of the ben

792
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.119
Novak senior and the heir to a small fortune. Within

793
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.920
two months of meeting Benji, Narsy moved in with him.

794
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:20.239
But there was a catch. He didn't want May, her daughter,

795
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.480
living in his home. Narsy was fine with that one

796
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.599
less responsibility for her and her relationship with May wasn't

797
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.840
good anyway, There was no love lost. It was probably

798
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.039
for the best for May to get away from her mother,

799
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:37.679
who was allegedly sadistic and physically abusive. She would sometimes

800
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.599
whip May with electrical cords or make her kneel on

801
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:42.679
the sharp edges of crushed beer cans.

802
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:43.480
What the heck.

803
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.719
At eight years old, May was shipped off to Naples, Florida,

804
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.679
where she lived with Narcy's sister. So, yeah, yet another

805
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.559
person in the story who just doesn't want to raise

806
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.559
their kid and just like, yeah, not interested in doing that.

807
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.159
Well, it sounds like May was better off, yes, out

808
00:40:59.199 --> 00:40:59.960
of the picture.

809
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:04.760
Anyway, Yeah, absolutely. Meanwhile, ben Novak Senior was continuing his dissent.

810
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.039
He was not handling his absence from the limelight. Well,

811
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.400
he was in a wheelchair, becoming forgetful, rarely appearing in public,

812
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:16.320
and no longer wearing his trademark tailored suits. However, he

813
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:20.199
never stopped carrying on his affairs with much younger women. Once,

814
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.039
while in his seventies, he began a fling with an

815
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:27.480
eighteen year old, even accompanying her to her high school prom.

816
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.760
Saw this, No, I wish I did. I'll try to

817
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.840
find some, but I have not come across any. But

818
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.679
I can't even It just boggles my mind. Seventy some

819
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:42.360
years old.

820
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.400
Yeah, why would an eighteen year old once?

821
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.079
I don't know. I don't know. And in his final

822
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:51.440
years he could often be seen arm in arm with

823
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:52.880
the former Miss Uruguay.

824
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:55.119
He must have had a really good personality.

825
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.559
I bet he did. In a bid for a new

826
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:01.000
business venture, he bought a supermarket in Boynton Beach, a

827
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.519
neighborhood in the Miami area, and renovated it, turning it

828
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.000
into a high end restaurant. It was going to be

829
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.360
called Alcatraz and themed around the idea of prison.

830
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:14.840
Prisons are known for great food that people would want

831
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:15.639
to pay money for.

832
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.519
Yes, yes, the diners would be inmates, taken to their

833
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:23.199
cells where they would be served prison food. It was

834
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.360
a terrible idea and it was a miserable failure.

835
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.320
So he goes from the Fontain blow to serving prison food.

836
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:33.719
Yes. The nicest thing anybody had to say about it

837
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:35.280
was that it was different.

838
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.039
It's like the zoo, like when we would go to

839
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.559
the Toledo Zoo and like they have the restaurant in

840
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:40.840
the cage and I'm talking about it.

841
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:42.400
Oh, yes, yeah, very very much.

842
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.079
You got hamburgers right, hot dogs.

843
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.880
In July nineteen eighty four, Benji was promoted to detective

844
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.360
after receiving commendations for chasing a dots in which was

845
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:56.159
veering around on the road erratically. When Benji apprehended the

846
00:42:56.199 --> 00:43:00.000
man inside, he immediately confessed to a string of auto thefts.

847
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.199
It was a case of being in the right place

848
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.159
at the right time more than any actual police work,

849
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.440
but Benji was very proud of it. In nineteen eighty five,

850
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.239
ben Novak Senior had a major stroke and was sent

851
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.199
to the hospital. He died a week later, his heart

852
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.599
and lungs had failed due to complications created by the stroke.

853
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.360
He was seventy eight. He was buried in New York

854
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.679
in his family plot. Miss Uruguay tried her hardest to

855
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.199
get a piece of the will, but unfortunately for her,

856
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.400
it pretty much all went to Benji.

857
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:30.559
Do you know how much was it? Millions?

858
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.360
Yeah? I think his estate was estimated to be worth

859
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:35.159
about ten million at that time.

860
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:36.840
So probably about thirty million today.

861
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.880
Yeah, we'll be back after a break.

862
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.599
Now folly in control of his family's estate and no

863
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:52.360
longer reliant on his mother for money, Benji went hogwild.

864
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.679
Any semblance of humility or human decency. I thought you

865
00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:58.679
said he didn't have any human decency.

866
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.480
I don't oh if he did, but at.

867
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.840
This point it seems to have left him. He bought

868
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:07.800
a luxury yacht fifty feet long, which he called White Lightning.

869
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.320
So yachts, I know, very a lot is fifty fifty

870
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.480
feet as a relatively small yacht.

871
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.920
I mean, it sounds like a perfect size for me.

872
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:18.880
But I guess in the grand scheme of things, if

873
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.840
you look at, you know, the wide variety of yachts

874
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.320
that are out there, it's probably.

875
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.880
On the smell. Quick Google search told me fifty two

876
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:26.840
one hundred.

877
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:28.880
Feet of the average yacht size.

878
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:29.599
Yeah.

879
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.840
He would often have Narsy pose on the bow as

880
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.800
some sort of living figurehead. He bought a private island,

881
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.519
had a share of a private jet, though he still

882
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.199
had a flight commercial because he always managed to make

883
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.880
the pilots mad with his ill mannerisms. Once he brought

884
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.679
Nursey Intouble plastic surgeon for a nose job, but when

885
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.480
she woke up along with her new nobles, she had

886
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:56.480
giant breast and plants put in without her knowledge or consent.

887
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.519
It's horrible, really horrible and horrible that he could find

888
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:01.800
a doctor who would do that.

889
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.719
Absolutely, Narsy put up with a law from Benji. She

890
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:08.199
took the breast and plants and stride along with his

891
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.639
crass behavior, his mother's constant disapproving jabs, and the occasional

892
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:18.199
violent altercations. Ultimately, she enjoyed the incredible access to extravagant wealth.

893
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.559
She loved having a closet full of more designer shoes

894
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.360
than she could ever possibly wear. But where she always

895
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.119
drew the line was infidelity. Whenever she discovered Benji was

896
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.000
seeing another woman on the side, and he was always

897
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.039
seeing another woman on the side, she would go nuclear,

898
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.960
threatening to burnt down their house. Bernice hadn't liked Jill,

899
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:41.039
and her interference was what ultimately led to the end

900
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:45.079
of that relationship. She hated Narsy in the company of

901
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.559
her friends and loved ones. She would refuse to even

902
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.159
speak Narsy's name, and she had no longer any financial

903
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.079
leverage over Benji, so she couldn't control him the way

904
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.679
she used to. And even though Benji was a cold,

905
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.519
unaffectionate son, often not even calling her mom, he just

906
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.559
called her Bernice, she still desperately loved him and wanted

907
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:06.679
to be in his life, so she bit her tongue

908
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.920
and chose her battles. When Benji asked Narsi to marry

909
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.119
him in December of nineteen ninety, instead of objecting to

910
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.760
the marriage completely, she instead only insisted that Narsi convert

911
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:21.880
to Judaism. Benji's company, Convention Concepts Unlimited, had now become

912
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:26.280
very profitable and popular. In nineteen ninety, the value of

913
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.239
the business was now three point two million dollars, with

914
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:33.000
profits being squirreled away in offshore accounts. That's a lot

915
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.639
of money and Benji didn't want to share control of it,

916
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.800
so he had Narsy sign a prenuptial agreement. If they

917
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.679
were divorced within the next ten years, she would receive

918
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:45.119
none of the estate. After those ten years, she would

919
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:48.760
receive a single payout of sixty five thousand dollars in

920
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.719
the event of a divorce. That sounds like a poultry

921
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.880
sum compared to his networth. Yes, for sure, she would

922
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.239
be excluded from all life insurance, any trusts, and after

923
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.519
his death the estate would move into z session of

924
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.119
his next of kin, which would be as mom Bernice.

925
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.880
Since ben had no children. In the prenup, there was

926
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.239
a stipulation made that this could all be superseded by

927
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.760
Benji's last will and testament if he wished. Narcy reluctantly

928
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.960
signed the agreement. Narsy began lying about her past to

929
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:20.719
fit in better with her luxurious surroundings. She claimed to

930
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.960
have been from a wealthy Ecuadorian family and that she

931
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.320
was the daughter of a shrimp farming magnate. She also

932
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.239
claimed that she used to be a fashion designer. May

933
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:33.440
Narsi's daughter, had a child when she was only sixteen

934
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:37.159
years old. Narsy was now a grandmother. She hadn't even

935
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.679
been interested in parenting, but something about becoming a grandmother

936
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.440
seemed to have softened her a bit. May and her

937
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:47.079
child would now visit occasionally. Benji, for the most part,

938
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:50.719
seems to have disliked his stepdaughter, but would occasionally throw

939
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.119
work her way as a favor to Narcy. She would

940
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.920
sometimes stop in and do jobs at the convention's Concepts

941
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.559
Unlimited offices, where Benji's mother, Bernice could often be found,

942
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.719
and may formed a bond of sorts over their mutual

943
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:06.239
hatred of Narsy. In early nineteen ninety four, Benji and

944
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.719
Narsy moved to Fort Lauderdale. They renovated a house there

945
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:13.199
from top to bottom, turning it into more of a compound.

946
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.079
They had an enormous fish pond in the back left

947
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.840
over decor from the funt and blow, and a dock

948
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.760
for Benji's boat. A big house for Benji to fill

949
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:26.000
with all of his Batman memorabilia. Since childhood, Benji had

950
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.480
an all encompassing obsession with the comic book character Batman.

951
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.480
In the nineties, he'd started amassing a massive, world class

952
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:37.360
collection of all things Batman. He went on massive spending

953
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.239
sprees on eBay and would often frequent comic conventions. Every morning,

954
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.639
boxes would pile up on the porch. The large house

955
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.159
was soon filled with Batman collectibles. They literally could not

956
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.880
stuff any more Batman memorabilia under the roof. That sounds really.

957
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:56.599
Class sounds like your dream house, doesn't it.

958
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.400
He rented out warehouses so he could store everything. The

959
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:05.000
collection would eventually grow so large that it filled four warehouses.

960
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:09.440
The rarest, most expensive stuff stayed in Benji's house, which

961
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.760
he transformed into his own personal Batman museum. His father

962
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:19.280
had the fontain blow, Benji had Batman. Another collection Benji amassed,

963
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.679
but which he was far more secretive about, was his

964
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:27.840
extensive collection of amputee pornography. Thousands of photographs of men

965
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:32.280
and women without limbs, naked or scantily clad, being fitted

966
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:33.360
for prosthetics.

967
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.360
That is a fetish I did not know existed.

968
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.440
That is very niche sure. Benji's sexual appetite was voracious

969
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.400
and diverse. He and Nursey would often engage in bondage.

970
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.000
He enjoyed amputee porn, and he always had two or

971
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:51.480
three other women in apartments around the Miami area. He

972
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.400
paid their rent and bills and bought them groceries. The

973
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:56.920
arrangement was that they'd stop and every once in a while,

974
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.000
and they'd show him a good time. Benji's cheating became

975
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:03.400
more obvious as time went on, and is previously mentioned.

976
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:08.159
Whenever Narsy caught wind of infidelity, she exploded. Their arguments

977
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:11.559
grew worse, sometimes getting so violent that the interior of

978
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:14.360
their house would be torn apart. I hope none of

979
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:18.239
their Batman memorabilia was daking the same thing. Their fights

980
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:22.000
became increasingly physical. The bruises were sometimes so bad that

981
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.400
Narci couldn't hide them with makeup. In nineteen ninety nine,

982
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.760
Bernice became convinced that Narcy was trying to poison her.

983
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.920
Bernice noticed that every time she drank water which Narcy

984
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.280
had given her or had put in the fridge of

985
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.719
the office, her throat would nearly swell shut.

986
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:38.679
She'd have difficulties.

987
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:41.360
Swallowing and breathing. She told those around her about it,

988
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.920
but nobody took Bernie seriously. They found the idea that

989
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.039
Narsy might poison anybody preposterous. But it wasn't just pernice.

990
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.159
There were at least two separate instances of Benji going

991
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.320
to the hospital after eating food prepared by Narsi.

992
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.480
In two thousand and two, Benji found out that Narci

993
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.920
had cheated on him. Even though he'd been cheating on

994
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.440
her for their entire marriage, he was still boiling with rage.

995
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.800
Benji decided he wanted out of the relationship and started

996
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:11.360
making preparations for divorce. Narsi was not about to let

997
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.360
Benji leave her with the paltry sixty five thousand dollars

998
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.280
in the prenup, not when his estate was worth millions.

999
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.239
At one a m on June ninth, two thousand and two,

1000
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:24.639
three armed men burst into Narsi and Benji's bedroom. Benji

1001
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:26.920
went for the handgun he kept in his night stand,

1002
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.079
but was stopped as Narsi shouted to the men, look out,

1003
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.639
he has a gun on his night stand. One man

1004
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.440
pinned him to the bed, another put a pillow over

1005
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.599
his face. The third took the gun from Benji's hand

1006
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.320
and smashed him in the head with it. Narsi rushed

1007
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.239
off to disable the house's alarm system while the men

1008
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.599
tied him to a chair. When Narsi returned to their bedroom,

1009
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.480
she threatened Benji. She told him that she was going

1010
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.519
to slice his penis off and throw it in the

1011
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.599
canal behind their home. She never made good on her threat,

1012
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.519
but it was enough to keep Benji quiet and obedient

1013
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:02.679
Over the next day. While Benji was indisposed, Narsi ransacked

1014
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:06.280
their house. She took several hundred thousand dollars worth of cash,

1015
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:12.119
family heirlooms, jewelry and antiques, multiple guns, business records, Benji's

1016
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.960
precious Batman memorabilia, and she even took his precious amputee pornography.

1017
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:20.440
As Narsi was leaving her spoils in a large moving van,

1018
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:24.079
she removed Benji's blindfold. She told him that she would

1019
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.440
call a neighbor in a few minutes once she was gone,

1020
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.880
and would have them release him. Then, she said, if

1021
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:31.880
I can't have you, then no one will have you.

1022
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.280
The men that helped me will come back and finish

1023
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.760
the job. I can have you killed any time I want.

1024
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.559
You're not dead now, only because I stopped them. After

1025
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:43.760
being set free, Benji wasn't sure what to do. He

1026
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.079
was worried about calling the cops, as he thought the

1027
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.760
men who had raided his home may still be watching him.

1028
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:51.480
If they saw the police coming up his driveway, they

1029
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:54.159
might come back and kill him. But after talking it

1030
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:56.719
over with his mother and a former cop friend, he

1031
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.760
decided to file an official report. He rang the Fort

1032
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.559
law Dderdale Police Department, asking them to show up in

1033
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:06.360
unmarked cars and to keep a low profile. When detectives

1034
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:09.199
arrived on the scene, they found Benji covered in cuts,

1035
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:12.639
his wrists still raw from the binding. He told them everything,

1036
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:16.599
showed them the damage, and enumerated his stolen property. He

1037
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:19.159
made sure they knew exactly how much money was taken,

1038
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.119
four hundred and forty thousand dollars. Bernice drove to the

1039
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.039
house as well to make sure Benji was okay. She

1040
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:28.760
mentioned to the police that she suspected Narci had tried

1041
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.320
to poison her in the past. In fact, earlier that afternoon,

1042
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.920
just hours before the home invasion, she had ingested water

1043
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.599
that Narci had been in contact with, and her mouth

1044
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:41.440
was still numb. The police ordered her to the hospital

1045
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.079
and they took the water bottle in question for evidence.

1046
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.199
Benji called Narci and tried to negotiate with her over

1047
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:49.760
the phone, hoping to at least get her to return

1048
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.000
his money, if nothing else. The detectives working the case

1049
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:56.039
also called Narci's cell. She agreed to come into the

1050
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:59.079
police station for an interview. She wanted the police to

1051
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:01.639
know her side of the story, feeling there were likely

1052
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:05.239
some things Benji wasn't sharing with them. When Narsi arrived

1053
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:08.519
at police headquarters. She brought an accordion file in with her.

1054
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.079
She emptied it out in front of the detective working

1055
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:15.239
the case. It was Benji's collection of amputee pornography. She

1056
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.679
told the police that they would fight all the time,

1057
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.400
that he'd broken her nose. At one point. She told

1058
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.119
them about the breast implants that were forced upon her.

1059
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.719
Quote is a vicious circle. I have left him twenty times,

1060
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.039
or forty times or fifty times. She'd had enough of it,

1061
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.400
so she was moving out. That's why she had the

1062
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.760
moving truck. And those men that Benji claimed tied him up,

1063
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.679
they were just laborers who she had hired for moving help.

1064
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.199
As for the marks on his wrists, those were just

1065
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:44.599
from their routine sexual bondage. He had willingly submitted to

1066
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.599
being tied up. Narsi had just chosen not to untie

1067
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:49.639
him as she was moving out, to make it easier

1068
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.719
on herself. The business records were ammunition for divorce proceedings,

1069
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:56.679
and she also claimed that she had only taken five

1070
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.519
thousand dollars in cash, not the four hundred and forty

1071
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:03.960
thousand Benji had claimed. The detectives noted several discrepancies in

1072
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.320
Narci's story and pointed them out to her. She changed

1073
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.719
her story over the course of the interview and eventually

1074
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.320
admitted to threatening Benji, but she claimed they were just words,

1075
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.119
just meant to scare him. She would never actually cut

1076
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.199
his penis off. The detectives called Benji and told him

1077
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.119
about the reams of amputee porn that Narcy had shown them,

1078
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:24.880
and how his fetish would certainly be made a part

1079
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.000
of the public record if he decided to pursue charges

1080
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.280
against her. If Benji could manage to convince Narsi to

1081
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.519
return his property without police involvement, it might be better

1082
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:38.320
for everybody. So Benji hired a private investigator named Pat

1083
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.559
Franklin to find Narsi. The two had first met when

1084
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:44.840
Benji was a teenager at the Fountain Blow. Benji told

1085
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.719
Pat two separate stories about the events of June ninth.

1086
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:50.440
In the first story, he said that he, Narsi and

1087
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.519
another woman were engaged in a threesome. They had him

1088
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.400
tied up at the foot of the bed, and he

1089
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.480
had been watching them have sex. Then, while he was

1090
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.400
tied up, the armed men charged arged in He didn't

1091
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.519
know what happened to the other woman. In the second story,

1092
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.199
Benji said that he was just asleep. The two men

1093
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.079
jumped on the bed, covered him with a sheet and pillows,

1094
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:12.079
and beat the crap out of him. He went for

1095
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.719
the gun, then Narsi shouted, warning them. The entire time,

1096
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.039
Narsi was on the phone with a man called Lou,

1097
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:20.599
an ex boyfriend who had just gotten out of prison

1098
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.320
who Narsi had dated back when she was working as

1099
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.360
an exotic dancer. Pat Franklin likely concluded that he wasn't

1100
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:29.880
going to get the complete truth out of Benji. He

1101
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.280
decided the important part was to just do what he

1102
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:36.000
was paid for, track down Narsi and find Benji's stuff.

1103
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:40.400
It wasn't hard. Pat called Narsi and she immediately agreed

1104
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.719
to meet. They convened in a diner. Pat called Benji

1105
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.119
and put him on speaker phone, then handed the phone

1106
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:49.320
to Narsy. Benji and Narsi started speaking to each other

1107
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.920
in baby talk. Narsi apologized, said she'd make it all

1108
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.920
up to Benji and started crying him, begging him not

1109
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:59.360
to prosecute her for the home invasion. Benji agreed to

1110
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.960
drop all the charges as long as his belongings were returned.

1111
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:06.360
When Narsy hung up, she immediately stopped crying and winked

1112
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.280
at Pat. Then she led Pat to the storage unit

1113
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.199
where she had been keeping all of Benji's stuff. Among

1114
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.559
the piles of boxes and furniture, there was an accordion folder.

1115
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:19.119
Narsy made sure to show Pat everything inside. Wanting to

1116
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.599
humiliate her husband, Benji officially dropped all the charges, signing

1117
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.639
a form at the police station. Whatever was the truth

1118
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.920
of what happened on June ninth, two thousand and two,

1119
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:32.199
it was a harbinger of things to come, things that

1120
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.320
we will talk about in part two.

1121
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.239
Well, no one has been killed, so they lived happily

1122
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:37.800
ever after.

1123
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:40.679
You can go on believing that until we get to

1124
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:41.079
part two.

1125
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:43.639
Part two is going to be how they got back together.

1126
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:48.800
Benji went into therapy and dealt with his issues, and

1127
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:52.559
Narsi went to marriage counseling and all worked out. Yeah,

1128
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:54.679
and Narsi reconciled with her daughter.

1129
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.000
May now you've given it all away. Now no one's

1130
00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:58.280
going to come and listen a part too.

1131
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.840
You should definitely come back to part two. What do

1132
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.280
you think so far of ben Junior, Benji and Narsi?

1133
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:07.119
They are a couple of characters.

1134
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:08.639
They certainly are.

1135
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.320
When we tell all these stories about these people that have,

1136
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.880
you know, like these fetishes, and you know, there are narcissisms,

1137
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:19.000
and I just feel so boring and normal. I think

1138
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.599
the apt porn, I mean, that's really that is very

1139
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.679
disturbing stuff. I've I really didn't know that I existed.

1140
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:28.239
Yeah. Same, So I wasn't lying in the beginning when

1141
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.119
I said that almost no one in this story is likable.

1142
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:33.880
I think may Narcie's daughter. We haven't talked about her

1143
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:35.760
a lot, but I think she's about the only one

1144
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:39.159
that has sort of has, you know, some reading good redemption.

1145
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:41.920
Arc Yeah, pretty much. I do feel like we've been

1146
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.880
a little bit hard on Benji throughout this story. But

1147
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:46.679
I don't know, do you do you feel any sympathy

1148
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:49.920
for him just because of his upbringing? Obviously he didn't

1149
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:52.360
he wasn't brought up in the best of circumstances, but

1150
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.039
he's also seems like he was a real jerk and

1151
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:56.039
not a great guy.

1152
00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:00.159
Yeah, sure, I mean I have empathy for any one

1153
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.400
who had a hard upbringing, just because you grow up

1154
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:06.559
with money and you know, and everything is given to

1155
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:09.079
you on a whim. I mean, I can still have

1156
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.719
empathy for you. It's hard to grow up with absentee

1157
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:15.280
parents and not have you know, love and yeah, someone

1158
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:16.360
there for you all the time.

1159
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.800
I also wanted to know how you felt about a

1160
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:21.440
seventy plus year old man going to prom with an

1161
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:22.159
eighteen year old.

1162
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.840
That's a real head scratcher for me. I mean, I'm

1163
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.159
sure he was. I was just going to say a

1164
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:30.039
great guy, but we know that that's actually not the case.

1165
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.559
Maybe it was just kind of like a joke, or

1166
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.159
maybe he just paid for everything. I don't it's hard

1167
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:36.800
to imagine.

1168
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:38.119
It is a real head scratcher.

1169
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:40.840
Maybe it was just the novelty of the whole thing.

1170
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:41.920
I don't know.

1171
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:43.719
I don't know. Well, there is a lot more to

1172
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:45.800
come in part two, so be sure to come back

1173
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.800
and join us.

1174
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.239
Should we have a Love Mary Kill convention at the

1175
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:56.159
funt and Blow.

1176
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:59.000
I think we should. Yeah, I think do it all right,

1177
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:00.360
Everybody meet us at the onto.

1178
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:04.000
The week of November, second week of November.

1179
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:06.079
Sure, that gives us plenty of time to plan it

1180
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:09.360
all out. Sure, we'll see you there. I had kind

1181
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:12.159
of a crazy work experience a couple of weeks ago

1182
01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:14.840
that I wanted to share. It was pretty I don't know,

1183
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:17.079
kind of scary in a way. I'm a little nervous

1184
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.159
to talk about it, but I think I think it's

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past now. But I was hiring someone for a job,

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and so I was interviewing different people in the way

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01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:27.559
that because you're very important, very important. So the way

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01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:29.519
it works when you're hiring someone is we have a

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01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.280
recruiter in our company who does, like the initial interview

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01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.239
with people, and then if if the recruiter thinks that

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it's someone worthy, then they'll send them on to me

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01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:39.920
and I'll do the next interview, and then if I

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01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.400
think they're good, then I'll get like some of our

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01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.519
executives involved, and then make a decision. So we are

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01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.760
interviewing a bunch of different candidates, and our recruiter sent

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01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:51.119
me this candidate. I'm going to call him Bob, not

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01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.159
his real name. I interviewed Bob, and I was sort

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01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:57.199
of like he was okay. He wasn't the best candidate

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01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.360
in the world, but he wasn't bad either. He was

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01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:01.159
kind of in the middle. But at the end of

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01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:02.760
the day, I didn't I didn't love him like I

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01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.360
had other candidates. I liked better, and he sort of

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01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:07.159
gave me a vibe that I was just like I

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01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:11.039
didn't love. So I told our recruiter, now, let's let's

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01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:14.000
reject this guy and move on. And so our recruiter

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01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:16.559
we always like close the loop with candidates so they're

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01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:19.679
not left hanging, so he contacted him and said, yeah,

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01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.880
we've decided not to move forward. The next day, our

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01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.559
recruiter messaged me and he said, just just so you know,

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01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.320
I woke up this morning and I had like seven

1211
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:33.320
missed phone calls from Bob, this guy, and he said,

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01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.480
I thought I thought that he was it was maybe

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01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.719
a butt dial or something like that, like in the

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01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.840
middle of the night. So he called him back and

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01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.519
he said the guy was like slurring his words and

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01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:46.199
was like really angry that we had rejected him, and

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01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:50.280
basically like told our recruiter Michael to f off and

1218
01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.880
hung up on him. So the recruiter told me this

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01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:54.760
because he's like, I just want you to know just

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01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.599
in case you may hear from him or something. Sure enough,

1221
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.119
the next morning, I wake up to like ten emails

1222
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:06.920
from this guy that are like horrible, like I can't even.

1223
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.000
Can you read some of them? Please please, I.

1224
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:12.280
Mean, I I can. Maybe I'm gonna have to. I'm

1225
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:14.360
gonna have to skip a lot of words, but I'll

1226
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:16.000
sure I'll read you one.

1227
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:16.519
All right.

1228
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.280
I'm gonna read this one, and I just a warning

1229
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:21.360
for people who are sensitive. There are some words in

1230
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:24.320
here I would never ever use. I'm just gonna read them, though,

1231
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:27.480
because this is what he wrote. The subject line of

1232
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:31.880
the email is your hatred of Christians, which I had

1233
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:34.440
no idea of his religion. We never talked about religion

1234
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.760
on the phone. But anyway, you both think you can

1235
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:38.760
and this is to me and the recruiter. You both

1236
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:41.039
think you can mock God and act like him on

1237
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:44.880
earth by judging others and determining their life outcome. Fuck

1238
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.599
both of you. You will be sent to eternal damnation

1239
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:51.760
and have a pineapple shoved up your ass in hell

1240
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:56.800
every day. The best thing is here. He signs his

1241
01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:02.719
email best Bob. So, yeah, I woke up to like

1242
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:05.960
all these emails the next morning, and it was it

1243
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:07.199
was pretty freaking out.

1244
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:08.039
You were a little freaked out.

1245
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.559
Luckily he lives far away, so I wasn't like, you know,

1246
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:14.000
super concerned about my safety. But still that's like very

1247
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:18.039
strange behavior. I've never had anything remotely like that happen.

1248
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:22.639
Yeah, I think the Bobers may have a substance abuse problem.

1249
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:26.519
And we wish him well. I hope he he found

1250
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:29.360
a job, and I hope things went better for him.

1251
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.280
I would I hope no one hired. I mean, I

1252
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:33.599
wouldn't want to hire. I thought about it because I

1253
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:35.960
didn't really dislike him. I thought, boy, if we had

1254
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.559
hired this guy, like what a disaster that would have

1255
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:40.960
ended up being. But I do hope he gets help

1256
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:43.840
because he obviously has some pretty serious issues.

1257
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.159
I mean, it's tough out there. It's tough finding a

1258
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:46.880
job right now.

1259
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:50.119
And yeah, but anyone who's ever like interviewed and looked

1260
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:52.639
for jobs, you get rejected nine times out of ten.

1261
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:54.880
Like it's just the way that the whole thing works.

1262
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:57.480
So if you're going to react like that every time

1263
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.039
you get rejected, you're in for a hard time. But

1264
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.360
we we like blocked him. Luckily, he didn't have my

1265
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:04.480
phone numbers. He had the recruiter's phone numbers.

1266
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:06.000
Oh okay, that's why you got the emails.

1267
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:08.280
Yeah, he was calling the recruiter over and over again,

1268
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.840
and we we we blocked him everywhere. I blocked him

1269
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:14.559
on LinkedIn and haven't heard anything in over two weeks now,

1270
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:16.840
so I'm hopeful that he has just moved on.

1271
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:20.199
Yeah, you mentioned at the beginning of this episode that

1272
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:23.480
you've done several cases about people who have a lot

1273
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:27.440
of money, and I'm just curious if you had, you know,

1274
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.519
ten million dollars or well, I guess thirty million dollars,

1275
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:34.079
would you buy a yacht, would you charter a private plane?

1276
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:38.920
What would what would be your you know, biggest indulgence.

1277
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.320
That is a really good question. I've honestly not really

1278
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:43.239
thought about it much.

1279
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:45.880
Yeah, because you know, we're never going to have a

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01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:47.400
million dollars, probably.

1281
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:49.119
Not, But the main I mean, to me, the main

1282
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:52.039
thing would be buying like a house that we really

1283
01:04:52.119 --> 01:04:55.119
really loved in a location that we really really loved,

1284
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.480
like a beautiful house on the shores of Lake Michigan.

1285
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.119
Yeah, that would which which I think we always thought

1286
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:03.360
would be like that was always kind of our dream,

1287
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.400
and I think we've slowly realized that it's probably not

1288
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:10.360
going to happen because real estate keeps going up, and yeah,

1289
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.920
that's we have a lovely house though, So I feel

1290
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:15.840
like Honestly, I was just thinking about this the other day.

1291
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:17.880
And this is going to sound cheesy, so forgive me,

1292
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:19.760
but I was looking around and I'm like, you know,

1293
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:22.360
I mean, our life isn't perfect, but we really couldn't

1294
01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:24.679
ask for much more. Yeah, for sure, you know, we've

1295
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.239
we've got our health, We've got you know, beautiful children.

1296
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:31.000
You know, we've got more than enough of everything. So

1297
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.719
even though we're not multimillionaires, we're you know, yeah, really

1298
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:36.280
about all you can really ask for.

1299
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:38.239
Well, now I feel like you've tricked me by asking

1300
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.320
what I would do if I had thirty million dollars.

1301
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:43.280
You came back and said, well, I don't. I don't

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01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:43.880
need anything.

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01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:46.519
By all the corn muffins in the world for you,

1304
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:51.599
we would have just a corn muffin closet just for you. Actually, listeners,

1305
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:54.039
I we sit here. You know, it takes us probably

1306
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.679
two or three times as long to record as the

1307
01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.719
episode is. And I was bored when you were going

1308
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:01.599
to the room and I ate some of the corn muffin.

1309
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:03.800
I welln't wasn't as bad as I had it was

1310
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:06.559
going to be. It's tasted more like like a moist

1311
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:10.159
muffin than a corn muffin and I'm going to create

1312
01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:11.400
the cheetos to like.

1313
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:13.719
Yeah, you've been lunching on the little bit.

1314
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:19.159
Yeah yeah, So anyway, sorry for roasting you, but I'm

1315
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:22.039
not sorry because I think you deserve. You need to

1316
01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:22.599
be roasted.

1317
01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:23.719
I know I need to be humbled.

1318
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:26.559
You used to be roasty like you like to be roast.

1319
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:33.280
I would miss it if I wasn't roasted by you.

1320
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:33.679
Before we go. I just want to give a sincere

1321
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:36.599
thank you to all of you for continuing to support

1322
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:39.920
us and encourage us, and for your friendship and support.

1323
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:41.199
It means the world to us.

1324
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:42.800
I wish we could give all of our listeners a

1325
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:43.280
big hug.

1326
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.760
Yeah I do too, because we really do, genuinely appreciate.

1327
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:48.920
Yeah, it means so much to us every time we

1328
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:51.280
hear from you, every time we get feedback, and just

1329
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.199
knowing that you're out there listening to us.

1330
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:54.519
And I know we say it a lot, but we

1331
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:57.079
can't say it enough because there wouldn't be a podcast

1332
01:06:57.079 --> 01:06:57.880
without your support.

1333
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.280
Very true. If you'd like to listen to part two

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01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:22.079
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01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:23.880
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1342
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:59.440
Don't kill your wife and don't kill your husband.

1343
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:14.679
That opened the Fontaine Blow Hotel in nineteen fifty four

1344
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:15.639
was some big to you.

1345
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:19.319
It did a great job.