April 28, 2025

Narcy Novack and Ben Novack Jr. - Part 2

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Ben Novack, Jr. was the heir to a fortune built on an iconic American institution – The Fontainebleau hotel in Miami Beach. Benji was an eccentric and abrasive millionaire who managed to alienate nearly everyone he met. With a drug habit, multiple mistresses, and a jaw-dropping collection of jewelry and pop culture memorabilia, he lived a life of excess. There was a long list of people who might have wanted him dead. At the top of that list was his wife, Narcy Novack. When Ben Novack Jr. was found brutally murdered in July 2009, people couldn’t help wondering - had Narcy finally had enough of his running around?

Today's snack: Mochinut

Episode researched and written by Owen Wesorick.

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Hi, I'm Rich and I'm Tina.

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And if there's one thing we've learned in over twenty

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years of marriage.

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Some days you'll feel like killing your husband, and.

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Some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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Welcome to love, Mary kill.

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Hey Tina, Hey Rich. How are you today?

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Good? How are you?

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I'm doing good? Did you forget the end of our opening?

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Well?

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Did you forget the beginning of our opening?

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I did have to do it a few times. I'm

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just you get in your head sometimes, like just saying

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something simple, and it's a struggle. Many years ago, when

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I was in the workplace, I would have to answer

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the phone, like we had phones on our desk and

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you would have to answer your phone and say, Hi,

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this is Rich, And I developed a mental block over that.

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I had really a hard time saying that.

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I first moved here to Michigan many years ago, I worked.

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We live in Washingtonaw County, and I had a job

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at Washingtonaw Mortgage, and I could not, like, by the

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end of the day, I was like, well, no, I

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could not say it. It was horrible because WASHINGTONA is

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because you have to pause Washtonaw.

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Yeah, that is that is understandable, but saying hi, I'm rich,

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or saying hi, this is rich. That shouldn't be that hard.

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Well, you have a very nice authoritative voice in general,

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so I think, just keep faking it all right. But

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it is funny because we made the decision that we

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would record the opening every time fresh and some days

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we regret that.

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Some days it's a little hard. Well, we got to

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get going on this case because we have a big

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day ahead of us. So not only are the Tigers

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doing really well, they're in first place. Yes, they're playing

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this afternoon, but Tiger also got the final round of

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the Masters Golf Tournament.

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Okay, and we care about that because while.

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Rory McElroy and Bryce and Deshambeau are in the final

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pairing and that's like a huge rivalry, that's like the

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biggest rivalry since Tiger Woods and Phil Nicholson. So okay,

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it's gonna be very very excited, right.

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Well, I thought we were supposed to go out to

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dinner later, so is that I'm not sure if we're

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going to be able to go to Buffalo Wild Wings

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so we can watch all this sports activity.

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Yeah. Maybe.

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So Okay, I'm going to ask you a question, and

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I really do want the answer? How are the Cubs doing?

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Oh, I have no idea. I'll check. Hold on just

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a second, I like, check. Well, you'll be happy to

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know that the Cubs are also doing really well. They

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are in first place in their division.

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Maybe I knew that, and I just wanted you to

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reinforce it and have to see it on air. I

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actually did not know that. That's good. That's great to

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hear diehard Cubs fan. I don't think I can call

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myself a diehard Cubs fan when I had no idea

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if they were winning or losing.

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That's okay, you can still be a fan. I brought

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you a snack. I think you're gonna like this.

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I just see the knife and that makes me a

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little nervous.

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We're just gonna be cutting something. But remember the other

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day we were watching the Amazing Race and they were

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making mochi balls. They were in Japan, yes, and I

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thought it's really cool because they have to like they

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use like rice and they pound it with a big Yeah.

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That looks tough.

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Yeah, And I thought that'd be it'd be fun to

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try to make that if you could make it. So

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I googled it and I didn't make you mochi balls.

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But what I found was something I didn't know existed.

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And it's a it's a chain called Mochi Nut. Have

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you ever heard of mochi nut? So it's donuts and

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they're made of mochi.

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So rice like, yeah, okay.

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So and this is like a chain, Like there's one

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hundred and eighty of these around the US, and they're

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also in really Thailand and South Korea as well, not

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near US. I had a little ways, but but.

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Yeah, wow, that's a big that's a big box.

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I got six of them.

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So to have you tried one?

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I haven't tried them yet. I've been dying too, so

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let's let's give him a try.

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That's very exciting.

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What did you think about the mochi nuts?

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Well, thank you. That was a really fun surprise. Oh

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they're really good. I don't think it would be like, hey,

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let's let's get those over regular donuts. Yeah, but yeah,

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they're really yummy.

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I thought they looked really attractive, like they're kind of

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fancy looking. But I didn't Yeah, I didn't love the

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texture of them. They were kind of like che bungey. Yeah. Yeah,

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so they were they were good.

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Yeah, very good.

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I don't know if I would seek them out.

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I think I would give them an eight out of ten.

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Yeah, I would give them like a seven out of ten.

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Yeah. I tried a little bite of three of them,

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and I think my favorite was the like just original,

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kind of like the original two very interesting.

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Well, thank you, sure thing.

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I would say you redeemed yourself from from yesterday.

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I am no longer the worst husband in the world.

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You were never the worst. Actually you're probably among the best.

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But don't get a big head.

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All right, I'll try that too. Okay, Well, let's get

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back to our story. Would you like to give us

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a summary of part one?

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Absolutely? Then. Novak, also known as Benji, was the son

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of a wealthy real estate magnate. His father built a

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Fontainebleau hotel in Miami Beach. He grew up in the hotel, spoiled,

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with very little parental involvement or supervision. By all accounts,

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he was a spoiled little tyrant, and he was obsessed

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with Batman. He met Narcisa Velis Pincheco while she was

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working in a strip club. Narsy, as she was called,

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had a daughter named May who she didn't really care

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about at all. Narcy moved in with Benji and later

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married him. She shipped her daughter off to live with

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her sister. At this point, Benji was a terrible husband,

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cheating on Nursey regularly making her get rest in plants

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without her consent. She was undergoing some other procedures.

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She was undergoing a nose job, and he had the

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doctor give her breast implant is nuts.

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In June two thousand and two, Narsy had some men

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come in and beat up Benji. Then they tied him

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up while she took cash and other valuables before leaving

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over four hundred thousand dollars.

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According to him. Right okay.

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However, they ended up reconciling and Benji declined to press charges.

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Benji was also obsessed with like he wanted to be

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a police officer.

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Like Yes, he wanted to be a crime fighter. And

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he actually had a job as a reserve officer that

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he worked. I think it was only two days a month,

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but he he was obsessed with crime fighting. He wanted

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to be a superhero. I guess there were a few

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bumpy patches. After the home invasion, Benji filed for divorce.

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Narsi filed for a restraining order, but eventually the two

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forgave each other and dropped all of the legal proceedings.

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Every attorney and police officer and judge that came into

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contact with the case were astounded when they learned that

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the two had reconciled. Many were concerned that next time

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Narsi may actually kill him. The conclusion most of them

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came to was that Benji was just too worried about

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his amputee porn fetish becoming known. Yeah, I'm sorry to

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have to bring that up again. The Miami Police, which

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as we mentioned, Benji was still a reserve member of,

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did an independent in vestsstigation into the home invasion. They

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came to the conclusion that Benji was a liability to

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the police department. Any association with him would only prove

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embarrassing to the department. At some point, they informed him

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that he could either retire or they would fire him.

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Benji chose to save face and officially retired, claiming that

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he was too busy with his convention business anyway. Benji's mom, Bernice,

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never forgave Narsi for the home invasion. If you remember

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from part one, Bernice hated Narsi. She was just they

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didn't get along at all. She was so disturbed by

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the home invasion and by Benji's insistence in staying with

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Narci that she went to counseling to cope with it.

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She was appalled by the few details that she had

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heard about Narsi and Benji's bondage kink and chose not

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to believe them. Her ben Junior could never be into

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filthy stuff like that. She hated having to see Narci

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every day. They saw each other every day because they

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both worked at Benji's business, Convention Concepts Unlimited. Bernice looked

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into Santaia. Have you ever heard of Santoria? It's like

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a It's a religion. It's an Afro Cuban religion. It's

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focused on building relationships with the spirits. Okay, So she

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looked into that and voodoo as well, because apparently Narsi

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had at least allegedly been affiliated with those beliefs during

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her youth growing up in Ecuador.

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And Bernice have voodoo spelled v o d ou? Is

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that an spelling or slightly different?

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I think it's that's like the proper spelling of it.

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Okay.

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But Apparently Bernice became convinced that Narsi had Benji under

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some sort of spell, and that's why he stayed with us.

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So another mom who just thinks her son is perfect. Yes,

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my son is perfect.

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I don't just think that exactly. No longer able to

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prowl the streets pretending to be Batman and looking for

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crimes to stop, Benji now had to live vicariously through

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his obsession with Batman collectibles, so he dove headfirst back

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into his Batman hoarding.

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How how much Batman memorabilia can one man have? I

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believe you said he had three warehouses full plus like

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it was all over their house.

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Yes, there's a lot of Batman memorabilia. Out of the scene.

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His Batman collection seems like it was maybe a way

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for him to cope with his dysfunctional marriage and its

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dysfunctional life, I guess in a lot of ways. And

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maybe it was a reason also to speak with people

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other than his wife. So he became familiar and even

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friendly with a lot of the Batman memorabilia dealers in

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the US, and he would often call them up to

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chat about the caped crusader. Benji leaned on his mother

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for emotional support. Whenever he and Narsi were fighting, which

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was almost always. Bernice became deeply depressed by the situation.

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Tired of always having to be the mediator between the two,

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her doctor prescribed xanax. Also, her asthma, which had always

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been an issue for her, flared up quite badly. Now

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she would often suffer from attacks in her sleep. In

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order to cope, Bernice sought retail therapy. She actually got

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banned from Bloomingdale's because of how many clothes she would

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buy and then momptly return because she didn't actually need

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or even want any of the clothes. She just liked

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going out with her friends and spending money in front

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of them.

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A listener, I have to tell you that Rich asked

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me if retail therapy was actually a thang off air.

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Yes. I was not familiar with that.

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Well, you're like the anti retail therapist exactly.

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Yeah.

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The other day when we went to Costco, everything's going

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to go back to that trip now. I was like, well,

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why don't you, you know, look for some new shorts

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or something. You were like, I don't need anything. I'm

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like what you do?

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Yes, therapy for me is staying home while you go

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out retail shot. When Benji turned fifty in two thousand

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and six, he had a last will and testament drawn up.

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The prenuptial agreement that he had with Narsi was now voided.

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The estate, he decided would be left to his mother

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if she was still alive, and Narsi would only get

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two hundred thousand dollars and half of their house. If

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Bernice was no longer alive when he passed, then Narsi

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would get everything.

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So Narsi and Benji had been married twenty ish years

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at this point.

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I think, so something like that.

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Do you think Benji kept his will to himself?

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I don't know. That's a good question.

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Do most people keep the contents of their will to themselves?

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I never really thought about that, but.

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My assumption is that you do.

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I guess so. I mean, I don't think I think

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you could do whatever you want. But yeah, I would

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assume most people they get their will and they tuck

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it away in a safe place, and really it only

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becomes revealed after they die.

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A couple of years after ben rote his will, in

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two thousand and eight, he was crawling the sketchier corners

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of the Internet when he found an ad on a

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website called City Vibe. It was promoting a three hundred

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dollars per hour escort brunette heavily pierced and tattooed, who

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called herself Rebecca Bliss. Her real name was Rebecca de Becky.

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She grew up in Rebecca to Becky.

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I like it. It's a cool name. She grew up

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in Grand Rapids, Michigan, attended and then dropped out of

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the Kendall College of Arts and Design. She got married,

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had a daughter, got divorced, lost custody, and then moved

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to Fort Myers, Florida. It was here where she started

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to work as a tattoo artist. She loved doing that,

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but it didn't pay enough, especially considering the child support

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that she had to pay her ex, so she changed careers,

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moving to California and started doing pornography under the name

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of Mona Love. In two thousand and seven, she stopped

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doing porn and went back to her passion, which was tattooing.

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This career came to an abrupt halt when her boyfriend

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shot her three times in her right hand and her leg.

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She no longer had the fine motor skills to continue

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being a tattoo artist, so she moved to Miami at

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this point and became a sex worker to make ends meet.

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Benji first met Rebecca in person at a Starbucks just

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to scope her out and ensure that she was a

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real person. He hired her for six hundred dollars and

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then began seeing her regularly. After that, they talked on

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the phone nearly every day. He soon offered her an

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apartment in Fort Lauderdale close to him, free of charge.

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The only condition was that she'd be exclusive with him

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and give up sex work. Her new apartment was in

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a luxury building in a very nice part of town,

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complete with a clubhouse and an exclusive movie theater for

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its residents. That's a really cool perk of an apartment.

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Complay you heard that cool. Benji showered Rebecca with money

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and gifts. He bought her a poodle and ten thousand

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dollars worth of DJ equipment, hoping this would give her

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career options outside of sex work. Narsi found receipts in

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Benji's office for furniture that he had bought for Rebecca.

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She already knew Benji's playbook at this point, so she

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knew right away that the furniture was for another woman.

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When she confronted him about it, he admitted that he

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had been seeing somebody, but he refused to tell Narsi

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any more than that. But Narsi was resourceful and she

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had access to money. She soon figured out that the

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other woman in question was named Rebecca Bliss. She found

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past addresses, contact information for her family, and a bunch

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of additional detailed information that would have been difficult to

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track down. As a form of retaliation, Narsy went to

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the FBI and told them that Benji was using his company,

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Convention Concepts Unlimited, as affront for a criminal enterprise. In actuality,

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she claimed the business was arranging sham marriages for green cards.

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She gave the FBI Rebecca Bliss's information and told them

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that she was being set up to marry a convention attendee.

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She also told the FBI that Benji did cocaine all

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the time and that they should probably look into that

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as well. I should say, there's no evidence that Benji's

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business was in the practice of arranging sham marriages, so

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I don't know, she just made that up out of

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her own creative mind. I guess. None of these leads

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were followed, but Narsi gave it another shot. She got

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Benji in trouble with customs officials, quietly telling airport security

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that Benji was smuggling over ten thousand dollars worth of

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cash across the border without declaring it. Benji was hung

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up in an interrogation room for a while, but no

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further action was taken on that either. Narsi called Rebecca,

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having found her cell phone number in Benji's phone, and

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offered her a bribe of ten thousand dollars to stay

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away from him. She told her that she wasn't Benji's

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only girl, that he didn't really love her, and it

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was in her best interest to leave. Rebecca, of course,

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didn't listen. She wanted to keep her free luxury apartment,

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and she claimed that she really loved Benji. For whatever reason,

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she hung up on Narsi, who did not like that

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one bit. Narsi called her back again and started yelling,

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We're not going to get a divorce. He doesn't love you.

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If I can't have him, then nobody can. Narsi tried

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to go around Benji's back and have the plug pulled

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on Rebecca's rent payments. She called the assistant property director

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of Rebecca's apartment building, claiming that Benji had died and

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the payments could no longer go forward. The property director

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told Narci that in order to stop the payments, they

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would have to be presented with an official death certificate.

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Narsi hung up, seething.

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Narsy came to the conclusion that Benji had to die,

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but the will presented a problem. Bernice would receive the

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vast majority of the estate she was definitely not inclined

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to share any with no as long as she was

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still alive, Narsy wouldn't have access to the vast fortunes

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she would become dependent on for her lifestyle, So before

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Benji could die, Bernice would have to go. Narsi recruited

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her older brother, Crysta bal Valise, a bus driver who

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lived in New York, for her plot. She bought a

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burner phone and used it to brief Crystaball on all

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of Bernice's daily movements and habits. They recruited some other

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family friends and hired hands for assistance. Originally, the plan

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was for Crystaball and his goons to ramp Bernice's car

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when she was driving home from work. Then while she

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was stunned from the crash, they would use the opportunity

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to finish her off. Crystaball and company made several attempts,

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but they could never find a clean opening, and they

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weren't the smartest criminals. In spite of their best efforts,

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they were incapable of remaining incognito. They were spotted by

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neighbors on multiple occasions, and one time they were chased

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away from the area. Crystaball and the goons got so

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frustrated at one point that they threw an ornamental cast

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iron frog through Bernice's front window, then retreated to form

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a new plan of attack. Christobal then recruited a crack

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addict named Alejandro Garcia. Garcia was blind in one eye

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after a childhood accident with a machete in Nicaragua.

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Children shouldn't be playing with machete no.

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Because of this, he always wore sunglasses because too much

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light caused him headaches and dizzy spells. Cristobal hired Garcia,

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telling them that he and his sister needed him to

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beat up an old lady. Garcia had no moral issues

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with this, asking for only one thousand dollars to do

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the job. Garcia and his associates waited outside of Bernice's

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house on the evening of April fourth, two thousand and nine.

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To calm his nerves, Garcia drank an entire bottle of rum,

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then when he finished it, he made his co conspirators

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drive back to the liquor store so he could get another.

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At nine twenty five pm, the garage door opened and

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Bernice waddled out in her nightgown to move her Tan

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Infinity into the garage for the night. A drunk Garcia

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charged Bernice a monkey wrench in his hands. She let

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out a scream as he smashed the flat side of

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the wrench against her skull. Bernice fell into the passenger

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seat of her car. Garcia hid her with the wrench

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several more times, wiped the car clean of any fingerprints,

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then ran off. Bernice's face was battered, her jaw was broken,

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teeth were missing, and her skull was fractured. Barely conscious,

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she stumbled back into her house. Her body was shutting

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down on her, but she must have remembered there was

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a panic button on her security system control panel down

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in the laundry room, but she collapsed and died just

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before she could reach it. Early the next morning, Bernice's neighbor,

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Rebecca Green, noticed that Bernice's garage door was open and

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her card lights were still on. Rebecca and her husband

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peeked into the window, worried, looking for her. They saw

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the TV was on and a full glass of wine

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was left on the table. Rebecca called Benji and told

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him he should come over to check on his mother.

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Benji and Narcy drove to Bernice's home, then followed the

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trail of mirrored blood on the floor. They found her

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in the laundry room, face down, only a few feet

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away from the panic button. The walls were smeared with blood.

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Benji checked her pulse but knew she was gone. Narsey

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was very quiet, one might even say suspiciously quiet. Benji

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was distraught, as you would expect. He called nine one one,

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and first responders officially pronounced her dead. Bernice was eighty

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seven years old, and her death came exactly thirty four

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years after Ben's senior had died. Examining the evidence, it

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was clear to the police and forensic examiners that this

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wasn't a burglary. Nothing had been taken and many valuables

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were out in the open. This, coupled with the fact

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that Bernice had taken a bad fall outside of the

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bank the previous week. She'd actually needed stitches afterwards, led

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everybody to assume that she'd had a senior moment, slipped,

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fallen and died. No foul play, just an accident. The

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autopsy determined that there were several blunt force injuries to

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Bernice's head, with internal bleeding and bruising on the brain.

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She had a fractured finger and abrasions on her knees.

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The medical examiner's report also concluded that her death was accidental,

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even though the multiple injuries to her skull were not

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consistent with a simple fall. When the truth eventually emerged,

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the medical examiner tried to save face, claiming that he'd

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never seen fall injuries like that and he was suspicious,

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but he had been overruled by his superiors.

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It's just crazy for me that they concluded that that

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was an accident when she had like multiple injuries to

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her head. It just goes to show you if someone

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is eighty seven and they die, I think they just don't.

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Really rush it through. Yeah, they just assume you know,

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Narsia arranged for Bernice's body to be cremated as soon

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as possible. Within twenty four hours of the body's release,

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any potential evidence on her body was destroyed. You know,

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I thought I wanted to be cremated, and now I'm

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just questioning that.

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Yeah, I want to be cremated, but I'll specify that

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it has to be like at least two weeks after

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I die.

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I don't think that's how it's done. But yeah, so many,

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so much evidence is destroyed during our cremation. Yeah, for sure,

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we'll be back after a break. During the break, I

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went downstairs to grab a snack because all I'd eaten

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is doughnuts today, so I grabbed an apple. It's called

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a sugar sugar Bee apple, okay, and I've never had

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one before. I grabbed it the other day at the store.

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It's supposed to be like a Honey Crisp, which is

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my favorite kind of apple. This is it's crossed with

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another unknown apple, which is very strange. But what did

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you think of it?

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Thought it was pretty good. It was I liked it

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better than honey. I'm not a huge Honey Crisp fan,

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so I liked it a little better than a honey crisp.

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But your favorite is fuji, right, And I don't really

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like fuji, And to me that tasted more like a fuji, so.

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It was a little sweeter than a honey crisp, which

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fujis are very sweet, So I.

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Yeah, I don't think fujis are sweet. To me, they

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taste I don't know. It's just it's interesting to me

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how we have such a different taste. But sometimes, yeah,

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because to me, a fuji apple tastes like it's rotting.

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It doesn't. I don't know. I don't know how to

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describe it. Just that's how it tastes to me.

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Yeah, it's almost like it's almost to the point where

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it's fermenting, but it's not quite.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes you can get a fuji that's too ripe,

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but usually yeah, usually their mind.

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Honey crisp are the same way, though to sometimes they

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can taste a little fermented if they've been around a while. Okay,

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we've gone on toong about apples. Let's get back to

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the story, all right. Let's at the memorial service, everyone

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noticed Narsi's new hairstyle. She had cut it short and

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dyed it red exactly how her deceased mother in law

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had worn hers. Everybody assumed it was an act of tribute,

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an actuality. It may have been closer to gloating. During

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the service, Benji, as the sun and closest living relative,

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was supposed to prepare a eulogy to read. He had

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intended to write something, but just hadn't gotten around to it,

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so he winged it. It was clumsy and cringe worthy.

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Many in the crowd of mourners were appalled. He was

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indelicate and made several revelations about Bernice which she would

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no doubt have preferred remained private. He revealed her real age,

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a fact that she always concealed. I think when you

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00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.960
get to be like eighty seven, you should be like

475
00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:13.319
proud of it. Probably I am eighty seven. He told

476
00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:16.039
the crowd that she was a foster child, something which

477
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:19.440
she never told anybody and had wanted the world to forget.

478
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.920
Narsy hired country musicians to play at the post ceremony reception,

479
00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.759
even though Bernice despised country music, seeing it as low

480
00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:31.440
class and unrefined. At one point, Narsy even got up

481
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.400
in front of the crowd and sang along with the musicians,

482
00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:36.759
making a show of how happy she was.

483
00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:38.240
Wow.

484
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.519
Really classless, I know, really. Narsy spent the next few

485
00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:44.759
weeks going through all of Bernice's old belongings. She threw

486
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.680
out her giant prize collection of books, as she and

487
00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:51.119
Benji were not big readers. She salivated over all the

488
00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:55.119
old jewelry and glamorous souvenirs from the Fontainebleau. A month

489
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:58.000
after his mother's death, Benji took delivery of his new

490
00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:03.359
prize possession. It was a operational, detailed replica of the

491
00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.680
original Batmobile used in the Batman TV series. It had

492
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.240
taken several years to build and was equipped with a

493
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:15.160
rocket exhaust, flame thrower, bat rockets, a bat ray projector,

494
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.960
bat turbines in an emergency bat turn lever.

495
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.119
Kase you're wondering what an emergency bat turn lever is.

496
00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:25.000
I googled it because I was like, what is that actually?

497
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.240
And in one of the Batman shows, like he wanted

498
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:29.680
to do a one to eighty turn, and so he

499
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.799
turns this big lever and a parachute pops out of

500
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:34.440
the back and it stops the car and makes it

501
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.920
spin around. Oh wow, I don't I'm guessing this didn't

502
00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:40.200
actually do that, but it just had the lever there

503
00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:40.559
for fun.

504
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:42.960
I guess I had that lever on my big wheel

505
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:43.839
when I was a little.

506
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.119
Kid growing up, right, I forgot about that. Yeah, it

507
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:47.680
was like a thing you pulled up in the middle

508
00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:48.680
and it would spin around.

509
00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:49.200
Yeah.

510
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.119
Well, Benji paid one hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars

511
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:53.880
to have his batmobile build.

512
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.240
It seems like a bargain to me. I know it's

513
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.519
quite a while ago, but still that's not bad.

514
00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:02.480
Well what are bat rockets? And what's a bat ray projector?

515
00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:02.759
Is it?

516
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.920
Well, I mean, he batman had so many little gadgets

517
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:08.720
and things like that, So the bat ray projector I

518
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.640
think is the must like the lights up yeah, with

519
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.640
the bat signal. But the bat rockets, I'm not sure

520
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:15.680
exactly what those are.

521
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.160
Wow. Well, it was a dream come true for Benji

522
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.279
and the culmination of years of planning. He told friends

523
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:24.079
that he intended to build a bat boat and a

524
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:27.519
bat copter. Next. Sadly, he only had to drive his

525
00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.680
batmobile one time and he would never have the chance

526
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:34.119
to get his bat boat or bat copter. Well that

527
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:38.000
sounds ominous. Yeah, when his mother died, did he inherit

528
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:41.119
more money? She must have had her own fortune too, right.

529
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.160
I assume so. I didn't read anything to that effect,

530
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.480
but yeah, that it would stand to reason that he

531
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.240
must have inherited whatever she had. Narci and crystaball had

532
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.119
gotten away with murder number one. Now it was time

533
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:55.960
for murder number two. They decided the best course of

534
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.759
action would be to kill Benji in New York. It

535
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.160
was far away, in a separate jurisdiction in a different environment,

536
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.279
so it might muddy the waters and cast less suspicion

537
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.400
on them then, and Narsi would be organizing an Amway

538
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.960
convention in New York in July. They planned to strike then.

539
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.240
Since Garcia had worked out the last time, Narsi and

540
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.720
Christabal hired him again for Benji's murder. They also hired

541
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.759
another hit man named Joel Gonzalez. As motivation. They told

542
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.359
the two men that Benji owned an artificial limb manufacturing

543
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.720
plant and that he used this to leverage amputee children

544
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.799
into having sex with him. Now, Benji may not have

545
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:35.839
been a good person, but this was definitely not true.

546
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:38.640
They told the two men that they wanted to disable

547
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.799
Benji so that Narsi could gain control of the convention's

548
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.200
concepts unlimited business. Also, they were to cut off his

549
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:51.319
testicles revenge for his infidelity Crystabal. Garcia and Gonzalez scouted

550
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:53.680
out the hotel where they would do Benji in. It

551
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.400
was the Hilton in Ryebrook, New York, right on the

552
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.400
border between New York State and Connecticut. They made the

553
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:03.440
necessary preparations. They bought neater, nicer looking clothes to blend

554
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.880
in with the upscale hotel's environment. They noted the locations

555
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.400
of surveillance cameras as well as easy entry and exit points.

556
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.839
Then they waited. Garcia, just like last time, drank a

557
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:16.319
bunch of rum before the job to soothe his nerves.

558
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:19.720
On July twelfth, two thousand and nine, Benji stayed awake

559
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:23.480
for basically the entire night, working on preparations for the convention.

560
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.599
Around six thirty am, he decided to try and get

561
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.480
a couple hours of sleep before everything officially began. Narci

562
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.000
waited for him to fall asleep, then snuck out of

563
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.759
bed and called her brother, who relayed the go ahead

564
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:39.920
to Garcia and Gonzalez. Garcia and Gonzalez got to Benji's

565
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.640
penthouse suite. Around seven am, Narsi opened the door, letting

566
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:48.559
them inside. Garcia and Gonzalez changed their clothes, then retrieved dumbbells,

567
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:53.160
extra thick duct tape, and gloves from Garcia's backpack. Narsi

568
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.519
warned Garcia to take his sunglasses off, but he refused.

569
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.359
He really didn't like to take his sunglasses off due

570
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:03.119
to his sensetivity to light. Garcia and Gonzalez flanked the

571
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.200
bed on either side, then started pounding on Benji with

572
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:09.640
their fists and with the dumbbells, his head, his torso,

573
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.640
his limbs. Ben quickly woke up, of course, and tried

574
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:16.359
to fight back. He started screaming as he flailed. Benji

575
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.359
managed to land a hit on Garcia, snapping the arm

576
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.720
off of his sunglasses. Gonzales retreated from the bedroom, surprised

577
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.039
by Benji's fury. He wasn't expecting Benji to fight back

578
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.480
so hard, and he was worried about how loud the

579
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.359
screams were. Narsy pushed Gonzalez back inside, handing him a

580
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.559
pillow to smother the screams. Benji rolled off of the

581
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.960
bed and eventually stopped fighting. Two wounded and tired to

582
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.279
do anything. The men taped Benji's hands behind his back,

583
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.400
hog tying him. Just a warning, this next part is

584
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.480
pretty graphic, so if you don't want to hear this,

585
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.240
just fast forward maybe thirty seconds. While the initial plan

586
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.079
was to castrate Benji, Narsi decided that instead they ought

587
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.160
to cut his eyes out that would permanently blind him

588
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.359
so that he could never look at another woman again.

589
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.519
So Garcia plunged a utility knife deep into Benji's left eye,

590
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.240
then twisted the blade around. He did the same with

591
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.359
the right eye. They then wrapped duct tape around Benji's

592
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.160
head and mouth, gagging him. They wrapped it very tight

593
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.680
so that when Benji vomited, there was nowhere for it

594
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:20.079
to go. Ultimately, this is how Benji died, by choking

595
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:20.960
on his own vomit.

596
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:22.279
It's horrible, I know.

597
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.599
It was really a horrible way to go. Initially, the

598
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.400
plan was to tie up Narsi before they left and

599
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.960
stage the scene to look like a robbery, but at

600
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.680
the last second, Narsi decided that she didn't want to

601
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.319
be tied up, so they all left the suite together.

602
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.680
In their hurry, Garcia forgot the arm of his smashed

603
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.279
sunglasses at the scene of the crime. This was a

604
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.640
crucial error and would later become an important piece of evidence.

605
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:50.559
Garcia and Gonzalez left through the lobby at seven eleven am. Narsi,

606
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:53.559
in full view of the closed circuit TV system, made

607
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.559
several calls from her cell phone with her luggage in hand.

608
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.400
It looked like maybe she was initially planning to flee

609
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.440
the scene, but then realized it might look too suspicious.

610
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.720
She briefly went downstairs to the convention, where her daughter

611
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:09.160
May was checking guests in May noticed that Narcy looked

612
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.039
rumpled and wasn't wearing any makeup, and Narsy always wore makeup.

613
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.160
Narsy returned to the room at seven forty five am.

614
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.119
She put her suitcase and jacket inside, and then she

615
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.960
sat down in the hallway waiting. A guest from the

616
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.000
convention happened upon the scene. As soon as she saw him,

617
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.599
Narcy started yelling, help me, my husband. She then started

618
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.680
pounding on the door to another guests room. Narsy played

619
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:35.599
up her grief. She cried why multiple times. A crowd

620
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.960
formed in the hall. She started punching her husband's dead body,

621
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.039
then got on top of him, almost like she was

622
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:41.920
riding a horse.

623
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:42.559
Why.

624
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:44.680
I think she was trying to make it look like

625
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.799
she was just overwhelmed by grief. When the rye Brook

626
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.920
Police showed up to examine the crime scene, they noted

627
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.599
that there were no signs of forest entry, so whoever

628
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.119
did this must have either had a key or was

629
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.680
let inside of the room. Valuables were left behind, including

630
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.440
ben Rolex, meaning that it wasn't a robbery. They also

631
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.359
found the piece broken off from the sunglasses. Detectives interrogated Narsi.

632
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.599
She claimed to have left the room at seven am

633
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.440
and to have discovered the body after coming back from

634
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.160
organizing breakfast for the convention. She said that Benji had

635
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.039
seemed unusually nervous over the past few days and that

636
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.480
he had been hanging out with strange, unpredictable people. She

637
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.880
thought out loud, perhaps a comic book dealer had killed Benji.

638
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.440
He had recently gotten into a dispute with one of

639
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.400
those Batman memorabilia guys over money, and it had turned violent.

640
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.519
I mean, comic book people are very violent people.

641
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.039
They are generally very scary and violent. Yes, when presented

642
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.440
with the arm of the sunglasses and asked if she

643
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:47.319
recognized it. Narsi claimed that it was hers. Her sunglasses

644
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.720
broke on the plane, she said, and Benji was trying

645
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.240
to fix them. The police then asked where the other

646
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.079
half of the broken sunglasses were. She claimed that she

647
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.519
left them on the plane. She should have kept her

648
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.960
mouth shut. The police immediately recognized that this story didn't

649
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.400
add up. How could Benji have been fixing a pair

650
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.480
of broken sunglasses if she left them back on the plane.

651
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.640
Detectives told Narsi and her daughter May that they didn't

652
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.200
have to go identify the body if they didn't want to.

653
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.240
The body was in such bad shape that they probably

654
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.880
wouldn't be able to recognize him anyway, but Narsi insisted

655
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.160
that she wanted to go see it. May came with

656
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.880
her for moral support, But when they walked in and

657
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.079
saw the state of Benji's body, how savagely it had

658
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:31.039
been beaten, May immediately gagged and ran to throw up Narsi.

659
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.279
The police noted barely even flinched. The Ryebrook police only

660
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.960
grew more suspicious of Narsi as the evidence accrued. After

661
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.279
interviewing May and learning that Narsi hadn't come downstairs until

662
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.359
seven twenty They realized that the timeline she had given

663
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.880
them had been a lie. They were also tipped off

664
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.400
about the two thousand and two home invasion that Narcy

665
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.319
had orchestrated a history of violence and lying to the police.

666
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.799
The police called Narsi back in for another interrogation. Narsi

667
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:02.519
claimed that thean to home invasion never happened. She said

668
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.400
that she had only handcuffed Benji to a chair before

669
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.920
taking her stuff and leaving out of the blue. She

670
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:11.279
then accused Benji of being a pedophile. She had found

671
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.640
his collection of child pornography, she said, and he was

672
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:17.440
throwing accusations back at her to keep her quiet. She

673
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.519
claimed that eventually the two made up. She told them

674
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.680
that she acquiesced and gave his child pornography back to him,

675
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:27.880
and he stored it in one of his Batman memorabilia warehouses. Again,

676
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.160
I should say, there was no evidence. I know Benji

677
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.759
was a creepy guy. He was into ampy tea porn

678
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.240
as his fetish, but there was no evidence that he

679
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.920
was actually into child porn. They leaned on her a

680
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.559
little bit harder this time around. Several different detectives took

681
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.720
turns playing good cop, bad cop, but they never managed

682
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.039
to extract a confession. They proffered up alternative theories, pretending

683
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.920
to be sympathetic to her plight. Maybe she was threatened

684
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.519
by the men. Maybe they said they'd kill her unless

685
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:55.279
she opened the door.

686
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:55.839
Was that it?

687
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.559
All this did was make Narcy put her walls up.

688
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.279
She realized that they suspect at her. As she felt

689
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:05.200
the increasing pressure, she played up the erratic grieving widow angle.

690
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:09.039
She started loudly proclaiming that she wanted to die. Quote,

691
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.920
I'm very fragile. I'm afraid my husband is not around

692
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.320
to protect me. I don't know who to trust. All

693
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.440
I want to do is kill myself and forget about

694
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.000
the whole thing. Bafflingly, even after all of this, Narcy

695
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.440
didn't ask for a lawyer. The police requested she participate

696
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.159
in a polygraph test, and for some reason she agreed.

697
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.760
It should come as no surprise that she failed it

698
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.440
five times. May was watching the entire time, and when

699
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.400
the test concluded, she burst into the room and attacked

700
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.119
her mother, screaming. The police had to pull her off

701
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.400
of Narcy. Detectives searched Narsi's suitcase and found scribbled notes

702
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:47.079
about Rebecca Bliss, pieces of personal information, addresses and phone

703
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.159
numbers of her friends and family, clearly indicative of an obsession.

704
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.199
They had found a motive, but there was no smoking

705
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:57.440
gun yet, so the Ryebrook police had no choice but

706
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.480
to let Narci fly back to Florida.

707
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.360
Wouldn't her inheritance be motive enough?

708
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:04.639
Yes? I think that is a good point. That would

709
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:05.840
be motive enough for sure.

710
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.480
The Fort Lauderdale Police were called to investigate a domestic

711
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.840
disturbance at Benji's house once Narsy flew back from New York.

712
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.679
There was bad blood between May and Narsy because of

713
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.920
what happened after the polygraph. Narcy called me a trader

714
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.639
and swung a crow bar at May's head. The confrontation

715
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.599
was recorded by the home security cameras. When the police

716
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.320
arrived on the scene, the fight was moved outside to

717
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.679
the driveway, where May and Narsy were pummeling each other.

718
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.679
Once the fight was broken up, May ran around and

719
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.000
started knocking on the neighbor's doors, making sure everybody knew

720
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.199
that her mother was a criminal. Quote, my mama killed

721
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.880
my daddy, she screamed at the top of her lungs.

722
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.599
This was a little odd, as May and Benji never

723
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.239
seemed like they were very close. If anything, their relationship

724
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.320
usually struck others as chilly. She certainly never called him daddy,

725
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:56.920
but after the fact, May claimed that he was the

726
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.119
closest thing she'd ever had to a father.

727
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.159
Accounts of their relationship with in the dateline that I

728
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.280
watched for this episode, they May talked about the fact

729
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.880
that after she got involved with the business with her

730
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.960
mom and Benji, that she and Benji actually did crow

731
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.599
to be fairly close. So initially Benji didn't want her

732
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.559
around when she was a kid, but then when she

733
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.920
got older. She talked about the fact that they did

734
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.320
grow kind of close. But I've read other accounts as

735
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.800
well that said they weren't really very close, even even

736
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:24.639
up until the end.

737
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.679
Well, regardless as to how close they were, if you

738
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:32.119
find out that your mother had her husband killed, right,

739
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.159
I mean, I think that would elicit a pretty strong.

740
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.440
Emotion, yeah, for sure. Well, and May even hated her

741
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.119
mother before then, like they just never got along.

742
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.840
I don't think May hired a lawyer to challenge Narsi's

743
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.920
status as executor of Benji's will. She managed to get

744
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.039
Benji's assets frozen, but not before Narsi had drained Benji's

745
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:53.320
accounts ransacked his safety deposit boxes. She took possession of

746
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.960
the giant diamond necklace Frank Sinatra had personally gifted Bernice

747
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.199
and hired an expensive defense attorney named Howard E. Narsi

748
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.559
also managed to empty several of Benji's warehouses full of

749
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.480
Batman memorabilia. She had no idea where to sell any

750
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.079
of it, but she'd worry about that later. Right now,

751
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.599
she just wanted to get to a secondary location that

752
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.920
only she knew about. I'm going to be really disappointed

753
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:17.639
at the end of this if you can't tell me

754
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.920
what this Batman collection was worth.

755
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:20.280
UHH.

756
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.639
On July twenty first, the Miami Springs Police Department received

757
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.360
an anonymous, handwritten letter in Spanish, which they later forwarded

758
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.960
to the Rybrook Police Department. It accused Narsi and Christobalov

759
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.960
masterminding the criminal plot to gain control of the Novak

760
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.360
family fortune. It contained details and names which only the

761
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.639
police knew and which hadn't been made available to the media,

762
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.400
confirming that whoever had written the letter was close to

763
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:48.280
the Valise family. It warned that May Narsy's daughter was

764
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.239
going to be the next victim, and that police ought

765
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.719
to hurry up and take action. It would later be

766
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.840
revealed years later that Narsi's older sister had written this letter.

767
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.480
Her name was Letitia, and she was an extremely religious

768
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.679
woman who greatly disapproved of her siblings actions. Out of

769
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.159
fear of revenge, she kept her name away from the

770
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:11.440
case until she was certain she faced no credible danger.

771
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.280
At the end of July, Narsi finally got her wish,

772
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.239
as Rebecca Bliss was evicted from her apartment, Benji's payments

773
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.960
would no longer go through to the building. She moved

774
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.480
back in with the same boyfriend who had shot her

775
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.480
three times. Narsia arranged for Carlos, her older brother, to

776
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.360
move into Benji's house with her. He now acted as

777
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.199
her bodyguard. Narsi was paranoid and wanted someone to protect

778
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.800
her at all times. Acting on the tip they received

779
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.920
from the anonymous letter, the police drove to Christobal's house

780
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.679
in New York City to interview him. Christobal made the

781
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.440
crucial mistake of overacting, being too friendly with the police

782
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.920
and inviting them into his home, but he had left

783
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.800
a critical piece of evidence out on the kitchen table

784
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.639
and had forgotten about it. There was a Western Union

785
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:58.679
wire transfer receipt made out to a man named Alejandro Garcia.

786
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.320
The police quickly wrote the information down when he wasn't looking.

787
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.280
Christobal tried to send the police down a falls trail,

788
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.400
suggesting that perhaps his niece May was the one who

789
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:11.920
had killed Benji. She was unstable. He claimed she had

790
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:15.480
a drinking problem and her kids were addicted to drugs.

791
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.920
It's part of the story I find really interesting that

792
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:20.800
they talked about. They interviewed the police officers on dateline

793
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.880
and they're like, yeah, he invited us in and we

794
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.599
sat down and we looked down and there's like this

795
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.280
Western Union, you know, document sitting right on the table,

796
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.880
and he didn't seem to know about it, and he

797
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.079
went off to the bathroom and they were like furiously

798
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:34.840
scribbling down information off of it.

799
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:36.480
We'll be back after a break.

800
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.559
Benji's funeral finally happened on September second, two thousand and nine,

801
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:50.639
fifty two days after the murder. The body had been

802
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.400
released for a long time prior to that, but Narcy

803
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.320
hadn't bothered with the funeral. She was busy trying to

804
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:58.960
get her arms around as many of Benji's assets as

805
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.719
she could. Service was small and private. He was buried

806
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.239
next to his father in the family plot, so.

807
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.679
He was in cremated apparently not no interesting.

808
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.880
Narsi was in attendance, but kept her distance from the

809
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:14.559
other mourners, who at this point were almost certain that

810
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.639
she had done it. They had all read the recent

811
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:19.360
Miami Herald piece on the murder, which had gone into

812
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.280
detail about the two thousand and two home invasion and

813
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.320
included the divorce petition that Benji had written after it,

814
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.920
claiming that he was worried that Narsy was going to

815
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.880
kill him for his fortune. None of them were convinced

816
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.400
by Narsi's crocodile tears. They scowled at her and at

817
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.119
the armed bodyguards she brought with her. Narsi claimed Benji's

818
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:41.760
life insurance on September twenty fifth. It was one million dollars.

819
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.079
A year of quiet police investigation followed. As the conspiracy

820
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:50.039
crossed state lines, the FBI became involved. They slowly built

821
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.039
up a case, trying not to spook Narsi or crystabal Narsi.

822
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.880
In particular, they thought might be a flight risk as

823
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.400
she still had family in Ecuador. Christabal phoned the police

824
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:04.159
several times, acting cooperative, but each time trying to implicate

825
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.880
his niece May. Crystabal and his siblings decided that May

826
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.599
was becoming an obstacle to Narsi inheriting Benji's wealth, so

827
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:13.920
they came up with a plot to get May arrested.

828
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.280
They decided to plant weapons and drugs in May's car

829
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.199
and then tip off the police. They gathered a bunch

830
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.239
of firearms and Crystabaal gave Alejandro Garcia one hundred dollars

831
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.920
to buy marijuana to plant along with the weapons. Instead,

832
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.199
Garcia spent the one hundred dollars on women, crack and heroin,

833
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.039
which seems like not a lot of money for women

834
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.119
crack and heroines. I'm not sure if one hundred dollars

835
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.599
used to go a lot further or what, but ultimately

836
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.599
the plot fell apart, but the gang would develop other

837
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.840
plans for May. The key to the investigation was the

838
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.599
identification of Garcia and Gonzales on the hotel security footage.

839
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.599
Although the men had previously scouted the area in an

840
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.760
attempt to avoid cameras, they were still in plane view,

841
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.599
walking in and out of the lobby. Garcia had an

842
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:03.119
outstanding warrant, so once the police tracked him down, they

843
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.199
already had him by the throat. They played him recordings

844
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.599
of phone calls between the police and Crystabal. So remember,

845
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.719
Christobal was trying to act all cooperative and point the

846
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.039
finger at his niece may Abod, but he wasn't above

847
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.800
throwing his other accomplice under the bus as well. He

848
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.960
told them that Alejandro Garcia was the one who actually

849
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.920
committed the murder. The police told Garcia they would give

850
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.679
him a lenient sentence if he cooperated in the case

851
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.159
against the people who hired him. Garcia immediately spilled the

852
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.039
beans on the whole operation. He told them about the

853
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:38.360
broken sunglasses, about his involvement in Bernice's death, which at

854
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.719
this point the police had still assumed was just an accident,

855
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.679
and he told them about an upcoming plot that had

856
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:48.639
not yet come to fruition. Carlos Narci's brother and bodyguard

857
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:52.159
had recently hired Garcia to beat up May for interfering

858
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.239
leave her a cripple. He told Garcia. The police warned

859
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.519
May about the threat on her life, but they told

860
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.519
her that any official protect action paperwork and money to

861
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.320
help her go into hiding would take time to process.

862
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.079
In the meantime, strange men were showing up outside her workplace.

863
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.719
She was a waitress at Chili's at that time, and

864
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.920
they were following her kids home from school. A detective

865
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.960
working the case in Ryebrook named Alison Carpenteer was concerned

866
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.840
that by the time all the paperwork got processed, May

867
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.559
might already be dead. She loaned May five thousand dollars

868
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.840
out of her own pocket so that May could find

869
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.599
a new apartment and hide out away from any danger.

870
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.480
Wow, that is so chent. I've never heard of a

871
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.400
police officer interceding like that.

872
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.639
I know it's incredibly generous, but it also potentially hindered

873
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.280
the prosecution later because it was technically a breach of etiquette.

874
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.199
Detective Carpenteer was later removed from the case. Narci and

875
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:50.079
Cristabal could smell something on the horizon. The sudden disappearance

876
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.639
of Garcia had them worried. Christobal would subsequently try to

877
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.159
hire assassins to find and dispose of Garcia in case

878
00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:59.599
he was thinking of turning on them, but the assassins

879
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.440
could never locate him. At six a m. On Thursday,

880
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.159
July eighth, twenty ten, almost a year after Benji was killed,

881
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:10.880
the FBI raided Narsi's home. Simultaneously, Christobal was taken into

882
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.360
custody in New York. A warrant was put out for

883
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:17.079
Gonzales on the federal level. They were charged with conspiracy

884
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.559
to commit interstate domestic violence and stalking. Narsy was extradited

885
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.320
to Westchester County, New York and kept in the local

886
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:28.119
women's prison. Given the slayer statute, Narsi lost control of

887
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.079
the Novaka state and claimed she no longer had enough

888
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.559
money to afford her lawyer, Howard Tanner. She requested a

889
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.800
public defender. Tanner opted to stay on the case and

890
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.960
to receive a lower public defender wage from the government.

891
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.079
Narsi's declaration that she was broke turned out to be

892
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.199
a lie. She had plenty of money and jewelry secretly

893
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.519
squirreled away. She used that money to hire another attorney,

894
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.920
all while stringing Tanner along. Eventually, the other attorney contacted

895
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:59.039
the presiding Judge, Kenneth Carris for some logistical questions. Prior

896
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.119
to the beginning of the truck. Everybody involved was angry

897
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.760
at Narsi. The judge was irritated because Narci had lied

898
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.000
and signed a sworn affidavit claiming that she was broke.

899
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:12.079
Tanner was irritated because he was being paid a fraction

900
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.559
of his wage. This behavior was part of a larger pattern.

901
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.119
Narsi and Christobal, who were tried together and both pleaded

902
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.960
not guilty, were poorly behaved in court, treating it with contempt.

903
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.039
They insisted that actually May was the mastermind behind the murders.

904
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:29.679
He imagine being a mother and trying to pass off

905
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.679
the blame on your daughter for a murder.

906
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.320
I cannot. I am a little nicer than Narsi.

907
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:34.960
Yeah.

908
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.320
Christobal claimed that May even had him kidnapped and kept

909
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.679
prisoner for eighteen days. He obviously had no evidence to

910
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.760
support this claim. Narsi chose not to take the stand

911
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:48.119
or testify during the trial. When addressed by Judge Carris,

912
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:51.119
Nancy refused to respond to him. She only spoke to

913
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.519
him through her attorney, whispering any message she had into

914
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.559
Tanner's ear, who would stand and relay it. The only

915
00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:59.960
thing the defense really had going for them was to diet

916
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:04.039
Detective Carpenteer's loan, which could be seen as collusion between

917
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.719
the police and a witness, even for protection. Passing money

918
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.920
to a witness in a case is a big no no,

919
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.519
and that may have been enough to sink the case.

920
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.679
But the evidence that had been collected against Cristobal and

921
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.039
Narsi was overwhelming. They would have been able to convict

922
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:23.280
with or without May's testimony. Tanner's defense was floundering. He

923
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:25.360
did what he was paid for and even tried to

924
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:28.039
have the case thrown out as a mistrial due to

925
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.000
lack of evidence of a sufficient nature, but he was

926
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:35.320
overruled against his lawyer's advice. Christobal testified prior to the

927
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:39.119
prosecution's closing arguments. After four days on the stand, he

928
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.360
changed his story, claiming he had known about the plot

929
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.559
the entire time, but it was actually far more substantial

930
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.199
and wide ranging than the court knew. He wanted to

931
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:51.000
lay it out for them in exchange for leniency. The

932
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.000
judge told him to stop talking. The evidence had already

933
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.119
been laid out, and he had already been on the

934
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.880
stand for four consecutive days. He had had more than

935
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.480
enough time to say his way piece. Then, in the

936
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.800
middle of the prosecution's closing arguments, Christabal interrupted, yelling from

937
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.440
the defense table. Judge Carris briefly removed the jurors from

938
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.000
the courtroom and then admonished Christabal, telling him he would

939
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.840
put him in the pen if he didn't behave Christobal

940
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.519
tried to plead with the judge several more times. After that.

941
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.360
He sent a letter saying that Benji was a bad guy,

942
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.360
a rapist and a pedophile and a pervert who deserved

943
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.480
to die. His death was justice, but of course the

944
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:31.119
law doesn't work that way. Christobal also tried to change

945
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.159
his plea to guilty before the verdict came back. Judge

946
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:38.519
Carris informed him that this wasn't allowed. It's over. Christobal

947
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:42.599
shouted back, it's not over. Carris's patience was tested as

948
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:46.880
he responded, it's over. The evidence is all in. The

949
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.920
trial took nine weeks. The deliberation lasted for three days

950
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.400
before jurors finally reached the verdict of guilty. Narsi was

951
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.880
guilty on twelve of thirteen counts and Christobal was guilty

952
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:04.519
on fourteen of fifty ten counts. Their crimes included racketeering, racketeering, conspiracy,

953
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:09.000
violent crime in the aid of racketeering, interstate domestic violence,

954
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:13.960
conspiracy to commit interstate domestic violence, stalking, and tampering with

955
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.880
a witness. Narsi refused to attend the sentencing hearing, which

956
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:21.000
was her right, although when Judge Kris learned of her

957
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.360
refusal he called her a coward. Tanner requested that Judge

958
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:28.119
Karris not sentenced Narsi to life given the weak evidence

959
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.440
quote unquote. The judge went on to sentence both Christobal

960
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.920
and Narsi to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

961
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.599
He fined Narsi an extra two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

962
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:42.000
demanded both Narsi and Christabal pay one hundred and five

963
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:46.880
thousand dollars to Convention Concepts Unlimited, and admonished Christobal for

964
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.519
committing quote the worst case of perjury he had ever seen,

965
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.599
saying after he said his name, I'm not sure he

966
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.559
said a truthful thing. Narsi still insists that she's innocent

967
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.159
and that May was the real criminal. In twenty eleven,

968
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.639
May had a third child and she named him Ben.

969
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.239
The estate went into dispute between several parties. There was

970
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.119
a legal battle between May Bernice's sister Maxine, multiple cousins

971
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.280
and distant relatives, and Ronald Novak, the adopted son from

972
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:20.000
Ben Senior's first marriage. When Ben Senior died and left

973
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.280
Benji almost everything, he had mentioned Ronald in the will,

974
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.599
but it was an insultingly low inheritance. He had left

975
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:30.800
Ronald exactly one dollar. Ronald had been missing and homeless

976
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.079
for years, and reappeared only two days before a judge

977
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:38.039
planned to officially declare him dead in absentia. It seems

978
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.519
likely that the majority of the inheritance would have gone

979
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.079
to May, seeing as she and her children are the

980
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.960
only ones still alive who were actually mentioned in the will.

981
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.239
But there's been no official confirmation that the legal battle

982
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.400
has yet concluded. I tried to find information or updates

983
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.519
on the legal battle, and it's funny because newspapers they

984
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:58.639
always report, like when the trial ends, and then they

985
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.079
report that there's a a hearing underway about something, but

986
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:05.280
then they never reported like what actually happened with the hearing.

987
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.639
So I'm not sure if it's still if it's been decided,

988
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:09.199
or if it's still sort of out there.

989
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.199
Do you know how much money there was left in

990
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:11.719
the estate.

991
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:13.920
I don't know how much money was left, but I

992
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.559
do know how much the Batman memorabilia was.

993
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:18.519
I just saw that. I looked at head a little bit.

994
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:19.840
I saw it accidentally.

995
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.199
Yes, his collection of Batman memorabilia went on the auction

996
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.639
block in twenty eleven. I don't know how much it

997
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.840
actually generated, but it was expected to generate close to

998
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.559
two million dollars. And I also don't know who ended

999
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:35.800
up buying Benji's prized batmobile. In twenty fifteen, there was

1000
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.760
a movie based on the events of this case. It

1001
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.039
was produced for Lifetime television and it's called Beautiful and

1002
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.800
Twisted and it stars Rob Low as ben Novak, Junior

1003
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.679
as Vega as Narsi, and Candice Bergen as Bernice. I

1004
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.039
should mention that nobody looks less like Benji Novak than

1005
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:54.760
Rob Loto.

1006
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.039
Well, if you remember Rob Low played Drew Peterson.

1007
00:50:58.280 --> 00:50:59.079
Oh, that's right.

1008
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.719
So I think you must just think it's fun to,

1009
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:05.000
you know, play these, yes, unseemly characters.

1010
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.400
That's really wild. I watched part of the movie and

1011
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.599
it was it was pretty well done the parts that

1012
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.719
I saw, and it was it was a Lifetime movie,

1013
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.360
but it was very like violent, like the part when

1014
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:19.119
Benji was killed, like they showed, yeah all this it

1015
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:23.400
was really pretty pretty gross. Rest in peace Benji and Bernice.

1016
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:25.960
Was anyone prosecuted for Bernice's murder?

1017
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:28.559
I don't believe so. I think it's one of those

1018
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:32.239
cases where they convicted them. They got a life sentence

1019
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:35.639
without parole, and so probably didn't bother with the other crime.

1020
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.360
But they could still hold it over their head if

1021
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:41.119
they needed to. But I don't believe anyone was prosecuted

1022
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.519
for that. I just have a couple of questions for you.

1023
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.639
An easy one to start, why do you think money

1024
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.719
makes people do horrible things?

1025
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.920
Well, if I had the answer to that question, I

1026
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.920
think that most people struggle financially. We like to buy things,

1027
00:51:56.119 --> 00:52:00.000
and you know, I think having limitless money sounds great

1028
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:03.880
or more money, Yeah, just it buys you comfort, It

1029
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.079
buys you, you know, and it's not even just about things.

1030
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.840
For some people, it's just about stability. You know a

1031
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:11.679
lot of people are struggling that there. So I can

1032
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:12.840
understand that.

1033
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.000
I understand. I asked the question a little bit facetiously,

1034
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.320
but it just seems like so often, you know, we

1035
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:20.000
see people do these things and they end up in

1036
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.400
jail for the rest of their lives. So what's worse,

1037
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:26.039
you know, either living with a situation or divorcing someone

1038
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:27.960
and not getting a lot of money out of it,

1039
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.039
or spending the rest of your life in jail.

1040
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:30.320
Yeah.

1041
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.039
I think a lot of people think money buys happiness,

1042
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.199
but yeah, we've all been told that it's not true. True,

1043
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.159
But I think I'm already a fairly happy person, so

1044
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.079
I think money would just make me, you know, even

1045
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.679
a little happier. More money. But actually I say that,

1046
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.440
but I think we're pretty fortunate and very comfortable, So

1047
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:50.280
I actually take that back. I don't know, feel greedy

1048
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.320
to say we want more of anything. For sure, we

1049
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:55.639
have each other. That's all the riches in the world

1050
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:57.840
that I need. Just see what I did there.

1051
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:00.159
Yeah, that's a good pun. You just need one. What

1052
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.119
do you think about Detective Carpenteer. We talked about it

1053
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.599
a little bit, but the fact that she gave this

1054
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.880
loan to may like she felt like she was doing

1055
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.840
the right thing, but it really could have come back

1056
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:12.239
to damage the case.

1057
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.239
Right, I guess in the moment, I was like, Oh,

1058
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.239
that's so kind of her, But yeah, I mean it

1059
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.760
really kind of blew up, and that's why you're not

1060
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:20.119
supposed to do those kind of things.

1061
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:20.360
Yea.

1062
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:24.360
So still, on the other hand, may could have been killed, right,

1063
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.400
I mean, yeah, she was doing something to save someone's life,

1064
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.280
So it's kind of an interesting ethical dilemma, like do

1065
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:33.079
you do this thing that's going to save someone's life,

1066
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.320
but at the same time it might completely jeopardize getting

1067
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:38.599
justice for these other people as well.

1068
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.519
Well, Narsey wasn't very generous, I'm guessing with anyone, especially

1069
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.800
May right. I was wondering that when you were talking

1070
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:46.800
about the case, like did she was she going to

1071
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:48.840
share her inheritance with her brothers?

1072
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:50.840
And oh, I doubt it. I mean, I'm sure she

1073
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:52.800
was going to pay her brothers for the work that

1074
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.159
they did to help her get it, But no, I'm

1075
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.320
sure she was not planning on spreading the wealth around

1076
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.119
as Yeah, any more than she had too. Well, thanks

1077
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:03.440
again Ann for recommending the case. It was a really

1078
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.119
interesting one, even if most of the people involved were

1079
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:07.840
horrible people, So thanks Anne.

1080
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:10.280
Were they horrible or were they complicated?

1081
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:11.320
Maybe both?

1082
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.239
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know if everyone was more like Bernice.

1083
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:15.119
Was she horrible?

1084
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:18.480
She wasn't a great mother, either she kind of neglected

1085
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.920
her kids, but maybe less horrible than some of the

1086
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.360
other I think there's different degrees of horrible.

1087
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:25.239
May she just.

1088
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:35.000
From everything I could tell you. Okay, we talked a

1089
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.920
lot about Batman in this episode, so I would be

1090
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.199
remiss if I didn't spend a little bit more time

1091
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:43.199
talking about the Batman TV show, because I know you

1092
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.480
said you watched it and you had your own little

1093
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:47.800
dance to it even and I loved it when I

1094
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:51.760
was a kid, again, not originally. It really was a

1095
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:53.840
great show. Like I when you look back at like

1096
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:57.440
the I'm always struck by the I don't know cinematography

1097
00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.719
is the right word, but the like it was so

1098
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.400
col there were just it was like a comic book

1099
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.920
like it was just so colorful and vivid and everything.

1100
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:10.599
And Adam west On, Burt Ward Robin, they were just

1101
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.440
so their acting was just so over the top. It

1102
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:14.800
was really great.

1103
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.079
It was really campy, and it was like intended to

1104
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:17.599
be campy.

1105
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.280
I think I've always liked campy things, and even as

1106
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.559
a kid, I think I really just thought it was great.

1107
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.519
I have a few interesting facts about the show. So

1108
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:28.119
it aired for three seasons only from nineteen sixty six

1109
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:29.320
to nineteen sixty eight.

1110
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.639
How many episodes was that?

1111
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:33.639
One hundred and twenty okay, one hundred and twenty half

1112
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.440
hour episodes. But the way that they ran it was

1113
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.400
the first two seasons they ran two episodes a week,

1114
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.079
so and they were all two part episodes, so it

1115
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.000
was like a thirty minute episode into the fan and

1116
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:46.800
then they would.

1117
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:48.400
Have the next part and the third male had the

1118
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:50.000
exact same plot pretty much.

1119
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.079
Yeah, they did have the same plot. It was a

1120
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.760
hugely popular show. It was considered the biggest TV phenomenon

1121
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.880
of the mid sixties. There was also a companion feature

1122
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:02.639
film that was released between seasons one and two, so

1123
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:04.760
that was exactly like the TV show, but it was

1124
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.360
a movie. Most of us know about the main villains,

1125
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:11.000
the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, the Catwoman, one of

1126
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.480
the cat Catwoman, I guess. One of the lesser known

1127
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:18.360
villains was Egghead, which was played by former horror actor

1128
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:23.320
Vincent Price. Egghead believes himself to be the world's smartest criminal,

1129
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:26.679
and his crimes usually have an egg motif to them.

1130
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.280
He also includes egg related puns in his speech, and

1131
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:33.360
he uses various egg themed weapons I have a little

1132
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.800
clip of egghead here that I thought was actually pretty funny. Well,

1133
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:37.960
see how you like this.

1134
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:48.719
What you said, Batman, I don't know. Whatever it is,

1135
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:54.960
it's awfully funny, the yokes on them, it's laughing.

1136
00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:01.360
Guess it's about the funniest drinking he was ever, you see,

1137
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:08.000
even funnier than the Joker. It's just a classic scene. Classic.

1138
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.800
I know you had your Batman dance, but I don't

1139
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:12.719
know if you knew this, but the Batman TV show

1140
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.519
actually invented a dance craze.

1141
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:15.199
Did you know that.

1142
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:16.360
I don't think so.

1143
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:19.480
It was called the batusi, which was a play on

1144
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:22.719
a popular dance at the time called the watusie. It

1145
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.719
actually became a national dance craze in the sixties and

1146
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:29.159
was used on many different TV shows, including The Simpsons,

1147
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.440
zena Warrior, Princess, and Everybody Loves.

1148
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.599
Raymond's Very You can't wait to see you perform this

1149
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:35.000
for me?

1150
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.039
Well, I can. It's actually pretty easy. It was also

1151
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:39.760
included in the movie Pulp Fiction.

1152
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.320
So the signature I create this dance, I don't think so,

1153
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:45.880
and not know it. I don't think it's similar to

1154
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:48.480
what he was a little kid in front of the TV.

1155
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:50.960
Well, the signature move of the dance is making a

1156
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:54.119
sideways V shape with your index and middle fingers and

1157
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:57.320
moving them horizontally away from your eyes. So you probably

1158
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:58.920
remember pulp fiction, Yeah, of course.

1159
00:57:59.119 --> 00:57:59.320
Yeah.

1160
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.280
Only did Batman have his own dance, but he had

1161
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:06.039
a hit song as well. Adam West released a single

1162
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:10.119
titled Miranda, which he performed in costume during live appearances

1163
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.400
in the sixties. Here's a short clip of that.

1164
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:18.719
Will tonight be the night that Bruce reveals himself to

1165
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:29.320
the magnificence Miranda. I never met a girl like you before, Miranda.

1166
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.000
I do anything for you if you just passed me,

1167
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:45.800
ask me to do anything for you, Miranda, but please

1168
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:52.639
to ask me to it's against the code of heroes.

1169
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:54.639
Wish you know how much I love you.

1170
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:56.800
Know. It's a pretty nice song, isn't it.

1171
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:57.239
Yeah.

1172
00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:59.159
I didn't play the whole thing, but you can. You

1173
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.159
can find it out there on YouTube if you want

1174
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:05.159
to put it on repeat. Not to be outdone, Frank Gorshon,

1175
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.880
who played the Riddler, released a song Burgess. Meredith, who

1176
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:12.400
played the Penguin, also released a song, and Bert Ward

1177
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.639
recorded a song called Boy Wonder I Love You, which

1178
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.079
is this is pretty crazy at some people may not

1179
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:20.280
find this crazy, but it was written and arranged by

1180
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:24.159
Frank Zappa, became pretty well known for kind of like

1181
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:27.079
you know, his music was sort of out there, but

1182
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:30.000
he actually wrote this song before he was really famous.

1183
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:31.920
But here's a short clip of boy Wonder.

1184
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Hi kids, HiT's me your palm. Boy Wonder.

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Taking this opportunity to catch up on my fan.

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Mail as a boy Wonder. It's really hard to read

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all the tons of mail I get.

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Here is a letter from someone just about or dear cute, wonderful, fabulous, magnificent,

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exquisite boy in wonder.

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Dear dear cute, wonderful, fabulous, magnificent boy Wonder.

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That was good.

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Yeah, another great song, all right, one. I'll leave you

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with one last Batman fact, and that is the original

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Batmobile from the TV series. It was auctioned off in

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January twenty thirteen. How much do you think it sold?

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F Oh gosh, I bet it sold for a lot.

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I'm going to go five million, very close.

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Four point two million.

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Wow, I think there was more than one though.

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Yeah, this was like the first one from the TV series.

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But yeah, they did use more than one.

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Because we saw one. So my dad lived in southern

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Illinois and one time we went to Metropolis, Illinois, which

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is I mean it's a whole.

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It's whole town theme on Superman.

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Yeah, it's really cool. But they I believe that there

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was a batmobile there. It was an amusingly Yeah, there

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was like a museum that had but it wasn't really

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it was like a.

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It had a whole bunch of like it was really memorabilia,

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all kinds of different things, right right.

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They had like a lot of a lot of pop

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culture things from like TV shows like Petticoat Junction or

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like they had like a they had different like parts

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of rooms like you do you remember what I'm talking Yeah,

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oh yeah, yeah, Like there was even like a like

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a six million dollar Man section and just yeah, I

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would be curious if they had any of Benji's memorabilia

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there because there was so much. There's a lot of

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superhero stuff. Obviously there was tons of Batman stuff, but.

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Yeah, it wouldn't be surprised. That was fun. That was

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like a little kind of a cheesy little town but

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really kind of fun, like in the middle of not

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really a whole lot around it.

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How many times do you think we accidentally said Nancy

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instead of narsing. If we did, we apologize, but that

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was a little tricky.

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We caught it quite a few times when we actually

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accidentally said Nancy, but I'm sure we missed at least

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one or two.

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A little easter egg for you to find.

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Yes, well, thank you all so much for listening. We

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