Narcy Novack and Ben Novack Jr. - Part 2

0:00 Hi, I'm Rich and I'm Tina. And if there's one thing we've learned in over twenty years of marriage. Some days you'll feel like killing your husband, and. Some days you'll feel like killing your wife. Welcome to love, Mary kill. Hey Tina, Hey Rich. How are you today? Good? How are you? I'm doing good? Did you forget the end of our opening? Well? Did you forget the beginning of our opening? I did have to do it a few times. I'm just you get in your head sometimes, like just saying something simple, and it's a struggle. Many years ago, when I was in the workplace, I would have to answer the phone, like we had phones on our desk and you would have to answer your phone and say, Hi, this is Rich, And I developed a mental block over that.

0:57 I had really a hard time saying that. I first moved here to Michigan many years ago, I worked. We live in Washingtonaw County, and I had a job at Washingtonaw Mortgage, and I could not, like, by the end of the day, I was like, well, no, I could not say it. It was horrible because WASHINGTONA is because you have to pause Washtonaw. Yeah, that is that is understandable, but saying hi, I'm rich, or saying hi, this is rich. That shouldn't be that hard. Well, you have a very nice authoritative voice in general, so I think, just keep faking it all right. But it is funny because we made the decision that we would record the opening every time fresh and some days we regret that.

1:41 Some days it's a little hard. Well, we got to get going on this case because we have a big day ahead of us. So not only are the Tigers doing really well, they're in first place. Yes, they're playing this afternoon, but Tiger also got the final round of the Masters Golf Tournament. Okay, and we care about that because while. Rory McElroy and Bryce and Deshambeau are in the final pairing and that's like a huge rivalry, that's like the biggest rivalry since Tiger Woods and Phil Nicholson. So okay, it's gonna be very very excited, right. Well, I thought we were supposed to go out to dinner later, so is that I'm not sure if we're going to be able to go to Buffalo Wild Wings so we can watch all this sports activity. Yeah. Maybe.

2:21 So Okay, I'm going to ask you a question, and I really do want the answer? How are the Cubs doing? Oh, I have no idea. I'll check. Hold on just a second, I like, check. Well, you'll be happy to know that the Cubs are also doing really well. They are in first place in their division. Maybe I knew that, and I just wanted you to reinforce it and have to see it on air. I actually did not know that. That's good. That's great to hear diehard Cubs fan. I don't think I can call myself a diehard Cubs fan when I had no idea if they were winning or losing. That's okay, you can still be a fan. I brought you a snack. I think you're gonna like this. I just see the knife and that makes me a little nervous. We're just gonna be cutting something. But remember the other day we were watching the Amazing Race and they were making mochi balls. They were in Japan, yes, and I thought it's really cool because they have to like they use like rice and they pound it with a big Yeah.

3:12 That looks tough. Yeah, And I thought that'd be it'd be fun to try to make that if you could make it. So I googled it and I didn't make you mochi balls. But what I found was something I didn't know existed. And it's a it's a chain called Mochi Nut. Have you ever heard of mochi nut? So it's donuts and they're made of mochi. So rice like, yeah, okay. So and this is like a chain, Like there's one hundred and eighty of these around the US, and they're also in really Thailand and South Korea as well, not near US. I had a little ways, but but. Yeah, wow, that's a big that's a big box. I got six of them. So to have you tried one?

3:52 I haven't tried them yet. I've been dying too, so let's let's give him a try. That's very exciting. What did you think about the mochi nuts? Well, thank you. That was a really fun surprise. Oh they're really good. I don't think it would be like, hey, let's let's get those over regular donuts. Yeah, but yeah, they're really yummy. I thought they looked really attractive, like they're kind of fancy looking. But I didn't Yeah, I didn't love the texture of them. They were kind of like che bungey. Yeah. Yeah, so they were they were good. Yeah, very good. I don't know if I would seek them out. I think I would give them an eight out of ten. Yeah, I would give them like a seven out of ten.

4:33 Yeah. I tried a little bite of three of them, and I think my favorite was the like just original, kind of like the original two very interesting. Well, thank you, sure thing. I would say you redeemed yourself from from yesterday. I am no longer the worst husband in the world. You were never the worst. Actually you're probably among the best. But don't get a big head. All right, I'll try that too. Okay, Well, let's get back to our story. Would you like to give us a summary of part one? Absolutely? Then. Novak, also known as Benji, was the son of a wealthy real estate magnate. His father built a Fontainebleau hotel in Miami Beach. He grew up in the hotel, spoiled, with very little parental involvement or supervision. By all accounts, he was a spoiled little tyrant, and he was obsessed with Batman. He met Narcisa Velis Pincheco while she was working in a strip club. Narsy, as she was called, had a daughter named May who she didn't really care about at all. Narcy moved in with Benji and later married him. She shipped her daughter off to live with her sister. At this point, Benji was a terrible husband, cheating on Nursey regularly making her get rest in plants without her consent. She was undergoing some other procedures.

5:44 She was undergoing a nose job, and he had the doctor give her breast implant is nuts. In June two thousand and two, Narsy had some men come in and beat up Benji. Then they tied him up while she took cash and other valuables before leaving over four hundred thousand dollars. According to him. Right okay. However, they ended up reconciling and Benji declined to press charges. Benji was also obsessed with like he wanted to be a police officer. Like Yes, he wanted to be a crime fighter. And he actually had a job as a reserve officer that he worked. I think it was only two days a month, but he he was obsessed with crime fighting. He wanted to be a superhero. I guess there were a few bumpy patches. After the home invasion, Benji filed for divorce.

6:27 Narsi filed for a restraining order, but eventually the two forgave each other and dropped all of the legal proceedings. Every attorney and police officer and judge that came into contact with the case were astounded when they learned that the two had reconciled. Many were concerned that next time Narsi may actually kill him. The conclusion most of them came to was that Benji was just too worried about his amputee porn fetish becoming known. Yeah, I'm sorry to have to bring that up again. The Miami Police, which as we mentioned, Benji was still a reserve member of, did an independent in vestsstigation into the home invasion. They came to the conclusion that Benji was a liability to the police department. Any association with him would only prove embarrassing to the department. At some point, they informed him that he could either retire or they would fire him.

7:13 Benji chose to save face and officially retired, claiming that he was too busy with his convention business anyway. Benji's mom, Bernice, never forgave Narsi for the home invasion. If you remember from part one, Bernice hated Narsi. She was just they didn't get along at all. She was so disturbed by the home invasion and by Benji's insistence in staying with Narci that she went to counseling to cope with it. She was appalled by the few details that she had heard about Narsi and Benji's bondage kink and chose not to believe them. Her ben Junior could never be into filthy stuff like that. She hated having to see Narci every day. They saw each other every day because they both worked at Benji's business, Convention Concepts Unlimited. Bernice looked into Santaia. Have you ever heard of Santoria? It's like a It's a religion. It's an Afro Cuban religion. It's focused on building relationships with the spirits. Okay, So she looked into that and voodoo as well, because apparently Narsi had at least allegedly been affiliated with those beliefs during her youth growing up in Ecuador.

8:17 And Bernice have voodoo spelled v o d ou? Is that an spelling or slightly different? No? I think it's that's like the proper spelling of it. Okay. But Apparently Bernice became convinced that Narsi had Benji under some sort of spell, and that's why he stayed with us. So another mom who just thinks her son is perfect. Yes, my son is perfect. I don't just think that exactly. No longer able to prowl the streets pretending to be Batman and looking for crimes to stop, Benji now had to live vicariously through his obsession with Batman collectibles, so he dove headfirst back into his Batman hoarding. How how much Batman memorabilia can one man have? I believe you said he had three warehouses full plus like it was all over their house.

9:05 Yes, there's a lot of Batman memorabilia. Out of the scene. His Batman collection seems like it was maybe a way for him to cope with his dysfunctional marriage and its dysfunctional life, I guess in a lot of ways. And maybe it was a reason also to speak with people other than his wife. So he became familiar and even friendly with a lot of the Batman memorabilia dealers in the US, and he would often call them up to chat about the caped crusader. Benji leaned on his mother for emotional support. Whenever he and Narsi were fighting, which was almost always. Bernice became deeply depressed by the situation. Tired of always having to be the mediator between the two, her doctor prescribed xanax. Also, her asthma, which had always been an issue for her, flared up quite badly. Now she would often suffer from attacks in her sleep. In order to cope, Bernice sought retail therapy. She actually got banned from Bloomingdale's because of how many clothes she would buy and then momptly return because she didn't actually need or even want any of the clothes. She just liked going out with her friends and spending money in front of them.

10:07 A listener, I have to tell you that Rich asked me if retail therapy was actually a thang off air. Yes. I was not familiar with that. Well, you're like the anti retail therapist exactly. Yeah. The other day when we went to Costco, everything's going to go back to that trip now. I was like, well, why don't you, you know, look for some new shorts or something. You were like, I don't need anything. I'm like what you do? Yes, therapy for me is staying home while you go out retail shot. When Benji turned fifty in two thousand and six, he had a last will and testament drawn up. The prenuptial agreement that he had with Narsi was now voided. The estate, he decided would be left to his mother if she was still alive, and Narsi would only get two hundred thousand dollars and half of their house. If Bernice was no longer alive when he passed, then Narsi would get everything.

10:56 So Narsi and Benji had been married twenty ish years at this point. I think, so something like that. Do you think Benji kept his will to himself? I don't know. That's a good question. Do most people keep the contents of their will to themselves? I never really thought about that, but. My assumption is that you do. I guess so. I mean, I don't think I think you could do whatever you want. But yeah, I would assume most people they get their will and they tuck it away in a safe place, and really it only becomes revealed after they die. Yeah. A couple of years after ben rote his will, in two thousand and eight, he was crawling the sketchier corners of the Internet when he found an ad on a website called City Vibe. It was promoting a three hundred dollars per hour escort brunette heavily pierced and tattooed, who called herself Rebecca Bliss. Her real name was Rebecca de Becky.

11:42 She grew up in Rebecca to Becky. I like it. It's a cool name. She grew up in Grand Rapids, Michigan, attended and then dropped out of the Kendall College of Arts and Design. She got married, had a daughter, got divorced, lost custody, and then moved to Fort Myers, Florida. It was here where she started to work as a tattoo artist. She loved doing that, but it didn't pay enough, especially considering the child support that she had to pay her ex, so she changed careers, moving to California and started doing pornography under the name of Mona Love. In two thousand and seven, she stopped doing porn and went back to her passion, which was tattooing. This career came to an abrupt halt when her boyfriend shot her three times in her right hand and her leg.

12:24 She no longer had the fine motor skills to continue being a tattoo artist, so she moved to Miami at this point and became a sex worker to make ends meet. Benji first met Rebecca in person at a Starbucks just to scope her out and ensure that she was a real person. He hired her for six hundred dollars and then began seeing her regularly. After that, they talked on the phone nearly every day. He soon offered her an apartment in Fort Lauderdale close to him, free of charge. The only condition was that she'd be exclusive with him and give up sex work. Her new apartment was in a luxury building in a very nice part of town, complete with a clubhouse and an exclusive movie theater for its residents. That's a really cool perk of an apartment.

13:07 Complay you heard that cool. Benji showered Rebecca with money and gifts. He bought her a poodle and ten thousand dollars worth of DJ equipment, hoping this would give her career options outside of sex work. Narsi found receipts in Benji's office for furniture that he had bought for Rebecca. She already knew Benji's playbook at this point, so she knew right away that the furniture was for another woman. When she confronted him about it, he admitted that he had been seeing somebody, but he refused to tell Narsi any more than that. But Narsi was resourceful and she had access to money. She soon figured out that the other woman in question was named Rebecca Bliss. She found past addresses, contact information for her family, and a bunch of additional detailed information that would have been difficult to track down. As a form of retaliation, Narsy went to the FBI and told them that Benji was using his company, Convention Concepts Unlimited, as affront for a criminal enterprise. In actuality, she claimed the business was arranging sham marriages for green cards.

14:10 She gave the FBI Rebecca Bliss's information and told them that she was being set up to marry a convention attendee. She also told the FBI that Benji did cocaine all the time and that they should probably look into that as well. I should say, there's no evidence that Benji's business was in the practice of arranging sham marriages, so I don't know, she just made that up out of her own creative mind. I guess. None of these leads were followed, but Narsi gave it another shot. She got Benji in trouble with customs officials, quietly telling airport security that Benji was smuggling over ten thousand dollars worth of cash across the border without declaring it. Benji was hung up in an interrogation room for a while, but no further action was taken on that either. Narsi called Rebecca, having found her cell phone number in Benji's phone, and offered her a bribe of ten thousand dollars to stay away from him. She told her that she wasn't Benji's only girl, that he didn't really love her, and it was in her best interest to leave. Rebecca, of course, didn't listen. She wanted to keep her free luxury apartment, and she claimed that she really loved Benji. For whatever reason, she hung up on Narsi, who did not like that one bit. Narsi called her back again and started yelling, We're not going to get a divorce. He doesn't love you.

15:23 If I can't have him, then nobody can. Narsi tried to go around Benji's back and have the plug pulled on Rebecca's rent payments. She called the assistant property director of Rebecca's apartment building, claiming that Benji had died and the payments could no longer go forward. The property director told Narci that in order to stop the payments, they would have to be presented with an official death certificate. Narsi hung up, seething. Narsy came to the conclusion that Benji had to die, but the will presented a problem. Bernice would receive the vast majority of the estate she was definitely not inclined to share any with no as long as she was still alive, Narsy wouldn't have access to the vast fortunes she would become dependent on for her lifestyle, So before Benji could die, Bernice would have to go. Narsi recruited her older brother, Crysta bal Valise, a bus driver who lived in New York, for her plot. She bought a burner phone and used it to brief Crystaball on all of Bernice's daily movements and habits. They recruited some other family friends and hired hands for assistance. Originally, the plan was for Crystaball and his goons to ramp Bernice's car when she was driving home from work. Then while she was stunned from the crash, they would use the opportunity to finish her off. Crystaball and company made several attempts, but they could never find a clean opening, and they weren't the smartest criminals. In spite of their best efforts, they were incapable of remaining incognito. They were spotted by neighbors on multiple occasions, and one time they were chased

16:53 away from the area. Crystaball and the goons got so frustrated at one point that they threw an ornamental cast iron frog through Bernice's front window, then retreated to form a new plan of attack. Christobal then recruited a crack addict named Alejandro Garcia. Garcia was blind in one eye after a childhood accident with a machete in Nicaragua. Children shouldn't be playing with machete no. Because of this, he always wore sunglasses because too much light caused him headaches and dizzy spells. Cristobal hired Garcia, telling them that he and his sister needed him to beat up an old lady. Garcia had no moral issues with this, asking for only one thousand dollars to do the job. Garcia and his associates waited outside of Bernice's house on the evening of April fourth, two thousand and nine.

17:40 To calm his nerves, Garcia drank an entire bottle of rum, then when he finished it, he made his co conspirators drive back to the liquor store so he could get another. At nine twenty five pm, the garage door opened and Bernice waddled out in her nightgown to move her Tan Infinity into the garage for the night. A drunk Garcia charged Bernice a monkey wrench in his hands. She let out a scream as he smashed the flat side of the wrench against her skull. Bernice fell into the passenger seat of her car. Garcia hid her with the wrench several more times, wiped the car clean of any fingerprints, then ran off. Bernice's face was battered, her jaw was broken, teeth were missing, and her skull was fractured. Barely conscious, she stumbled back into her house. Her body was shutting down on her, but she must have remembered there was a panic button on her security system control panel down in the laundry room, but she collapsed and died just before she could reach it. Early the next morning, Bernice's neighbor, Rebecca Green, noticed that Bernice's garage door was open and her card lights were still on. Rebecca and her husband peeked into the window, worried, looking for her. They saw the TV was on and a full glass of wine was left on the table. Rebecca called Benji and told him he should come over to check on his mother.

18:56 Benji and Narcy drove to Bernice's home, then followed the trail of mirrored blood on the floor. They found her in the laundry room, face down, only a few feet away from the panic button. The walls were smeared with blood. Benji checked her pulse but knew she was gone. Narsey was very quiet, one might even say suspiciously quiet. Benji was distraught, as you would expect. He called nine one one, and first responders officially pronounced her dead. Bernice was eighty seven years old, and her death came exactly thirty four years after Ben's senior had died. Examining the evidence, it was clear to the police and forensic examiners that this wasn't a burglary. Nothing had been taken and many valuables were out in the open. This, coupled with the fact that Bernice had taken a bad fall outside of the bank the previous week. She'd actually needed stitches afterwards, led everybody to assume that she'd had a senior moment, slipped, fallen and died. No foul play, just an accident. The autopsy determined that there were several blunt force injuries to Bernice's head, with internal bleeding and bruising on the brain.

20:00 She had a fractured finger and abrasions on her knees. The medical examiner's report also concluded that her death was accidental, even though the multiple injuries to her skull were not consistent with a simple fall. When the truth eventually emerged, the medical examiner tried to save face, claiming that he'd never seen fall injuries like that and he was suspicious, but he had been overruled by his superiors. It's just crazy for me that they concluded that that was an accident when she had like multiple injuries to her head. It just goes to show you if someone is eighty seven and they die, I think they just don't. Really rush it through. Yeah, they just assume you know, Narsia arranged for Bernice's body to be cremated as soon as possible. Within twenty four hours of the body's release, any potential evidence on her body was destroyed. You know, I thought I wanted to be cremated, and now I'm just questioning that.

20:52 Yeah, I want to be cremated, but I'll specify that it has to be like at least two weeks after I die. I don't think that's how it's done. But yeah, so many, so much evidence is destroyed during our cremation. Yeah, for sure, we'll be back after a break. During the break, I went downstairs to grab a snack because all I'd eaten is doughnuts today, so I grabbed an apple. It's called a sugar sugar Bee apple, okay, and I've never had one before. I grabbed it the other day at the store. It's supposed to be like a Honey Crisp, which is my favorite kind of apple. This is it's crossed with another unknown apple, which is very strange. But what did you think of it?

21:37 Thought it was pretty good. It was I liked it better than honey. I'm not a huge Honey Crisp fan, so I liked it a little better than a honey crisp. But your favorite is fuji, right, And I don't really like fuji, And to me that tasted more like a fuji, so. It was a little sweeter than a honey crisp, which fujis are very sweet, So I. Yeah, I don't think fujis are sweet. To me, they taste I don't know. It's just it's interesting to me how we have such a different taste. But sometimes, yeah, because to me, a fuji apple tastes like it's rotting. It doesn't. I don't know. I don't know how to describe it. Just that's how it tastes to me. Yeah, it's almost like it's almost to the point where it's fermenting, but it's not quite. Maybe. Yeah. And sometimes you can get a fuji that's too ripe, but usually yeah, usually their mind. Honey crisp are the same way, though to sometimes they can taste a little fermented if they've been around a while. Okay, we've gone on toong about apples. Let's get back to the story, all right. Let's at the memorial service, everyone noticed Narsi's new hairstyle. She had cut it short and dyed it red exactly how her deceased mother in law had worn hers. Everybody assumed it was an act of tribute, an actuality. It may have been closer to gloating. During the service, Benji, as the sun and closest living relative, was supposed to prepare a eulogy to read. He had intended to write something, but just hadn't gotten around to it, so he winged it. It was clumsy and cringe worthy.

22:55 Many in the crowd of mourners were appalled. He was indelicate and made several revelations about Bernice which she would no doubt have preferred remained private. He revealed her real age, a fact that she always concealed. I think when you get to be like eighty seven, you should be like proud of it. Probably I am eighty seven. He told the crowd that she was a foster child, something which she never told anybody and had wanted the world to forget. Narsy hired country musicians to play at the post ceremony reception, even though Bernice despised country music, seeing it as low class and unrefined. At one point, Narsy even got up in front of the crowd and sang along with the musicians, making a show of how happy she was.

23:37 Wow. Really classless, I know, really. Narsy spent the next few weeks going through all of Bernice's old belongings. She threw out her giant prize collection of books, as she and Benji were not big readers. She salivated over all the old jewelry and glamorous souvenirs from the Fontainebleau. A month after his mother's death, Benji took delivery of his new prize possession. It was a operational, detailed replica of the original Batmobile used in the Batman TV series. It had taken several years to build and was equipped with a rocket exhaust, flame thrower, bat rockets, a bat ray projector, bat turbines in an emergency bat turn lever.

24:19 Kase you're wondering what an emergency bat turn lever is. I googled it because I was like, what is that actually? And in one of the Batman shows, like he wanted to do a one to eighty turn, and so he turns this big lever and a parachute pops out of the back and it stops the car and makes it spin around. Oh wow, I don't I'm guessing this didn't actually do that, but it just had the lever there for fun. I guess I had that lever on my big wheel when I was a little. Kid growing up, right, I forgot about that. Yeah, it was like a thing you pulled up in the middle and it would spin around. Yeah. Well, Benji paid one hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars to have his batmobile build. It seems like a bargain to me. I know it's quite a while ago, but still that's not bad. Well what are bat rockets? And what's a bat ray projector?

25:02 Is it? Well, I mean, he batman had so many little gadgets and things like that, So the bat ray projector I think is the must like the lights up yeah, with the bat signal. But the bat rockets, I'm not sure exactly what those are. Wow. Well, it was a dream come true for Benji and the culmination of years of planning. He told friends that he intended to build a bat boat and a bat copter. Next. Sadly, he only had to drive his batmobile one time and he would never have the chance to get his bat boat or bat copter. Well that sounds ominous. Yeah, when his mother died, did he inherit more money? She must have had her own fortune too, right. I assume so. I didn't read anything to that effect, but yeah, that it would stand to reason that he must have inherited whatever she had. Narci and crystaball had gotten away with murder number one. Now it was time for murder number two. They decided the best course of action would be to kill Benji in New York. It was far away, in a separate jurisdiction in a different environment, so it might muddy the waters and cast less suspicion on them then, and Narsi would be organizing an Amway convention in New York in July. They planned to strike then.

26:12 Since Garcia had worked out the last time, Narsi and Christabal hired him again for Benji's murder. They also hired another hit man named Joel Gonzalez. As motivation. They told the two men that Benji owned an artificial limb manufacturing plant and that he used this to leverage amputee children into having sex with him. Now, Benji may not have been a good person, but this was definitely not true. They told the two men that they wanted to disable Benji so that Narsi could gain control of the convention's concepts unlimited business. Also, they were to cut off his testicles revenge for his infidelity Crystabal. Garcia and Gonzalez scouted out the hotel where they would do Benji in. It was the Hilton in Ryebrook, New York, right on the border between New York State and Connecticut. They made the necessary preparations. They bought neater, nicer looking clothes to blend in with the upscale hotel's environment. They noted the locations of surveillance cameras as well as easy entry and exit points.

27:10 Then they waited. Garcia, just like last time, drank a bunch of rum before the job to soothe his nerves. On July twelfth, two thousand and nine, Benji stayed awake for basically the entire night, working on preparations for the convention. Around six thirty am, he decided to try and get a couple hours of sleep before everything officially began. Narci waited for him to fall asleep, then snuck out of bed and called her brother, who relayed the go ahead to Garcia and Gonzalez. Garcia and Gonzalez got to Benji's penthouse suite. Around seven am, Narsi opened the door, letting them inside. Garcia and Gonzalez changed their clothes, then retrieved dumbbells, extra thick duct tape, and gloves from Garcia's backpack. Narsi warned Garcia to take his sunglasses off, but he refused.

27:56 He really didn't like to take his sunglasses off due to his sensetivity to light. Garcia and Gonzalez flanked the bed on either side, then started pounding on Benji with their fists and with the dumbbells, his head, his torso, his limbs. Ben quickly woke up, of course, and tried to fight back. He started screaming as he flailed. Benji managed to land a hit on Garcia, snapping the arm off of his sunglasses. Gonzales retreated from the bedroom, surprised by Benji's fury. He wasn't expecting Benji to fight back so hard, and he was worried about how loud the screams were. Narsy pushed Gonzalez back inside, handing him a pillow to smother the screams. Benji rolled off of the bed and eventually stopped fighting. Two wounded and tired to do anything. The men taped Benji's hands behind his back, hog tying him. Just a warning, this next part is pretty graphic, so if you don't want to hear this, just fast forward maybe thirty seconds. While the initial plan was to castrate Benji, Narsi decided that instead they ought to cut his eyes out that would permanently blind him so that he could never look at another woman again.

29:01 So Garcia plunged a utility knife deep into Benji's left eye, then twisted the blade around. He did the same with the right eye. They then wrapped duct tape around Benji's head and mouth, gagging him. They wrapped it very tight so that when Benji vomited, there was nowhere for it to go. Ultimately, this is how Benji died, by choking on his own vomit. It's horrible, I know. It was really a horrible way to go. Initially, the plan was to tie up Narsi before they left and stage the scene to look like a robbery, but at the last second, Narsi decided that she didn't want to be tied up, so they all left the suite together. In their hurry, Garcia forgot the arm of his smashed sunglasses at the scene of the crime. This was a crucial error and would later become an important piece of evidence.

29:46 Garcia and Gonzalez left through the lobby at seven eleven am. Narsi, in full view of the closed circuit TV system, made several calls from her cell phone with her luggage in hand. It looked like maybe she was initially planning to flee the scene, but then realized it might look too suspicious. She briefly went downstairs to the convention, where her daughter May was checking guests in May noticed that Narcy looked rumpled and wasn't wearing any makeup, and Narsy always wore makeup. Narsy returned to the room at seven forty five am. She put her suitcase and jacket inside, and then she sat down in the hallway waiting. A guest from the convention happened upon the scene. As soon as she saw him, Narcy started yelling, help me, my husband. She then started pounding on the door to another guests room. Narsy played up her grief. She cried why multiple times. A crowd formed in the hall. She started punching her husband's dead body, then got on top of him, almost like she was riding a horse.

30:42 Why. I think she was trying to make it look like she was just overwhelmed by grief. When the rye Brook Police showed up to examine the crime scene, they noted that there were no signs of forest entry, so whoever did this must have either had a key or was let inside of the room. Valuables were left behind, including ben Rolex, meaning that it wasn't a robbery. They also found the piece broken off from the sunglasses. Detectives interrogated Narsi. She claimed to have left the room at seven am and to have discovered the body after coming back from organizing breakfast for the convention. She said that Benji had seemed unusually nervous over the past few days and that he had been hanging out with strange, unpredictable people. She thought out loud, perhaps a comic book dealer had killed Benji.

31:27 He had recently gotten into a dispute with one of those Batman memorabilia guys over money, and it had turned violent. I mean, comic book people are very violent people. They are generally very scary and violent. Yes, when presented with the arm of the sunglasses and asked if she recognized it. Narsi claimed that it was hers. Her sunglasses broke on the plane, she said, and Benji was trying to fix them. The police then asked where the other half of the broken sunglasses were. She claimed that she left them on the plane. She should have kept her mouth shut. The police immediately recognized that this story didn't add up. How could Benji have been fixing a pair of broken sunglasses if she left them back on the plane. Detectives told Narsi and her daughter May that they didn't have to go identify the body if they didn't want to.

32:12 The body was in such bad shape that they probably wouldn't be able to recognize him anyway, but Narsi insisted that she wanted to go see it. May came with her for moral support, But when they walked in and saw the state of Benji's body, how savagely it had been beaten, May immediately gagged and ran to throw up Narsi. The police noted barely even flinched. The Ryebrook police only grew more suspicious of Narsi as the evidence accrued. After interviewing May and learning that Narsi hadn't come downstairs until seven twenty They realized that the timeline she had given them had been a lie. They were also tipped off about the two thousand and two home invasion that Narcy had orchestrated a history of violence and lying to the police.

32:54 The police called Narsi back in for another interrogation. Narsi claimed that thean to home invasion never happened. She said that she had only handcuffed Benji to a chair before taking her stuff and leaving out of the blue. She then accused Benji of being a pedophile. She had found his collection of child pornography, she said, and he was throwing accusations back at her to keep her quiet. She claimed that eventually the two made up. She told them that she acquiesced and gave his child pornography back to him, and he stored it in one of his Batman memorabilia warehouses. Again, I should say, there was no evidence. I know Benji was a creepy guy. He was into ampy tea porn as his fetish, but there was no evidence that he was actually into child porn. They leaned on her a little bit harder this time around. Several different detectives took turns playing good cop, bad cop, but they never managed to extract a confession. They proffered up alternative theories, pretending to be sympathetic to her plight. Maybe she was threatened by the men. Maybe they said they'd kill her unless she opened the door.

33:55 Was that it? All this did was make Narcy put her walls up. She realized that they suspect at her. As she felt the increasing pressure, she played up the erratic grieving widow angle. She started loudly proclaiming that she wanted to die. Quote, I'm very fragile. I'm afraid my husband is not around to protect me. I don't know who to trust. All I want to do is kill myself and forget about the whole thing. Bafflingly, even after all of this, Narcy didn't ask for a lawyer. The police requested she participate in a polygraph test, and for some reason she agreed. It should come as no surprise that she failed it five times. May was watching the entire time, and when the test concluded, she burst into the room and attacked her mother, screaming. The police had to pull her off of Narcy. Detectives searched Narsi's suitcase and found scribbled notes about Rebecca Bliss, pieces of personal information, addresses and phone numbers of her friends and family, clearly indicative of an obsession.

34:51 They had found a motive, but there was no smoking gun yet, so the Ryebrook police had no choice but to let Narci fly back to Florida. Wouldn't her inheritance be motive enough? Yes? I think that is a good point. That would be motive enough for sure. The Fort Lauderdale Police were called to investigate a domestic disturbance at Benji's house once Narsy flew back from New York. There was bad blood between May and Narsy because of what happened after the polygraph. Narcy called me a trader and swung a crow bar at May's head. The confrontation was recorded by the home security cameras. When the police arrived on the scene, the fight was moved outside to the driveway, where May and Narsy were pummeling each other.

35:32 Once the fight was broken up, May ran around and started knocking on the neighbor's doors, making sure everybody knew that her mother was a criminal. Quote, my mama killed my daddy, she screamed at the top of her lungs. This was a little odd, as May and Benji never seemed like they were very close. If anything, their relationship usually struck others as chilly. She certainly never called him daddy, but after the fact, May claimed that he was the closest thing she'd ever had to a father. Accounts of their relationship with in the dateline that I watched for this episode, they May talked about the fact that after she got involved with the business with her mom and Benji, that she and Benji actually did crow to be fairly close. So initially Benji didn't want her around when she was a kid, but then when she got older. She talked about the fact that they did grow kind of close. But I've read other accounts as well that said they weren't really very close, even even up until the end.

36:24 Well, regardless as to how close they were, if you find out that your mother had her husband killed, right, I mean, I think that would elicit a pretty strong. Emotion, yeah, for sure. Well, and May even hated her mother before then, like they just never got along. I don't think May hired a lawyer to challenge Narsi's status as executor of Benji's will. She managed to get Benji's assets frozen, but not before Narsi had drained Benji's accounts ransacked his safety deposit boxes. She took possession of the giant diamond necklace Frank Sinatra had personally gifted Bernice and hired an expensive defense attorney named Howard E. Narsi also managed to empty several of Benji's warehouses full of Batman memorabilia. She had no idea where to sell any of it, but she'd worry about that later. Right now, she just wanted to get to a secondary location that only she knew about. I'm going to be really disappointed at the end of this if you can't tell me what this Batman collection was worth.

37:20 UHH. On July twenty first, the Miami Springs Police Department received an anonymous, handwritten letter in Spanish, which they later forwarded to the Rybrook Police Department. It accused Narsi and Christobalov masterminding the criminal plot to gain control of the Novak family fortune. It contained details and names which only the police knew and which hadn't been made available to the media, confirming that whoever had written the letter was close to the Valise family. It warned that May Narsy's daughter was going to be the next victim, and that police ought to hurry up and take action. It would later be revealed years later that Narsi's older sister had written this letter. Her name was Letitia, and she was an extremely religious woman who greatly disapproved of her siblings actions. Out of fear of revenge, she kept her name away from the case until she was certain she faced no credible danger.

38:11 At the end of July, Narsi finally got her wish, as Rebecca Bliss was evicted from her apartment, Benji's payments would no longer go through to the building. She moved back in with the same boyfriend who had shot her three times. Narsia arranged for Carlos, her older brother, to move into Benji's house with her. He now acted as her bodyguard. Narsi was paranoid and wanted someone to protect her at all times. Acting on the tip they received from the anonymous letter, the police drove to Christobal's house in New York City to interview him. Christobal made the crucial mistake of overacting, being too friendly with the police and inviting them into his home, but he had left a critical piece of evidence out on the kitchen table and had forgotten about it. There was a Western Union wire transfer receipt made out to a man named Alejandro Garcia.

38:58 The police quickly wrote the information down when he wasn't looking. Christobal tried to send the police down a falls trail, suggesting that perhaps his niece May was the one who had killed Benji. She was unstable. He claimed she had a drinking problem and her kids were addicted to drugs. It's part of the story I find really interesting that they talked about. They interviewed the police officers on dateline and they're like, yeah, he invited us in and we sat down and we looked down and there's like this Western Union, you know, document sitting right on the table, and he didn't seem to know about it, and he went off to the bathroom and they were like furiously scribbling down information off of it. We'll be back after a break.

39:43 Benji's funeral finally happened on September second, two thousand and nine, fifty two days after the murder. The body had been released for a long time prior to that, but Narcy hadn't bothered with the funeral. She was busy trying to get her arms around as many of Benji's assets as she could. Service was small and private. He was buried next to his father in the family plot, so. He was in cremated apparently not no interesting. Narsi was in attendance, but kept her distance from the other mourners, who at this point were almost certain that she had done it. They had all read the recent Miami Herald piece on the murder, which had gone into detail about the two thousand and two home invasion and included the divorce petition that Benji had written after it, claiming that he was worried that Narsy was going to kill him for his fortune. None of them were convinced by Narsi's crocodile tears. They scowled at her and at the armed bodyguards she brought with her. Narsi claimed Benji's life insurance on September twenty fifth. It was one million dollars.

40:42 A year of quiet police investigation followed. As the conspiracy crossed state lines, the FBI became involved. They slowly built up a case, trying not to spook Narsi or crystabal Narsi. In particular, they thought might be a flight risk as she still had family in Ecuador. Christabal phoned the police several times, acting cooperative, but each time trying to implicate his niece May. Crystabal and his siblings decided that May was becoming an obstacle to Narsi inheriting Benji's wealth, so they came up with a plot to get May arrested. They decided to plant weapons and drugs in May's car and then tip off the police. They gathered a bunch of firearms and Crystabaal gave Alejandro Garcia one hundred dollars to buy marijuana to plant along with the weapons. Instead, Garcia spent the one hundred dollars on women, crack and heroin, which seems like not a lot of money for women crack and heroines. I'm not sure if one hundred dollars used to go a lot further or what, but ultimately the plot fell apart, but the gang would develop other plans for May. The key to the investigation was the identification of Garcia and Gonzales on the hotel security footage.

41:50 Although the men had previously scouted the area in an attempt to avoid cameras, they were still in plane view, walking in and out of the lobby. Garcia had an outstanding warrant, so once the police tracked him down, they already had him by the throat. They played him recordings of phone calls between the police and Crystabal. So remember, Christobal was trying to act all cooperative and point the finger at his niece may Abod, but he wasn't above throwing his other accomplice under the bus as well. He told them that Alejandro Garcia was the one who actually committed the murder. The police told Garcia they would give him a lenient sentence if he cooperated in the case against the people who hired him. Garcia immediately spilled the beans on the whole operation. He told them about the broken sunglasses, about his involvement in Bernice's death, which at this point the police had still assumed was just an accident, and he told them about an upcoming plot that had not yet come to fruition. Carlos Narci's brother and bodyguard had recently hired Garcia to beat up May for interfering leave her a cripple. He told Garcia. The police warned May about the threat on her life, but they told her that any official protect action paperwork and money to help her go into hiding would take time to process.

43:04 In the meantime, strange men were showing up outside her workplace. She was a waitress at Chili's at that time, and they were following her kids home from school. A detective working the case in Ryebrook named Alison Carpenteer was concerned that by the time all the paperwork got processed, May might already be dead. She loaned May five thousand dollars out of her own pocket so that May could find a new apartment and hide out away from any danger. Wow, that is so chent. I've never heard of a police officer interceding like that. I know it's incredibly generous, but it also potentially hindered the prosecution later because it was technically a breach of etiquette. Detective Carpenteer was later removed from the case. Narci and Cristabal could smell something on the horizon. The sudden disappearance of Garcia had them worried. Christobal would subsequently try to hire assassins to find and dispose of Garcia in case he was thinking of turning on them, but the assassins could never locate him. At six a m. On Thursday, July eighth, twenty ten, almost a year after Benji was killed, the FBI raided Narsi's home. Simultaneously, Christobal was taken into custody in New York. A warrant was put out for Gonzales on the federal level. They were charged with conspiracy to commit interstate domestic violence and stalking. Narsy was extradited to Westchester County, New York and kept in the local women's prison. Given the slayer statute, Narsi lost control of the Novaka state and claimed she no longer had enough money to afford her lawyer, Howard Tanner. She requested a public defender. Tanner opted to stay on the case and

44:37 to receive a lower public defender wage from the government. Narsi's declaration that she was broke turned out to be a lie. She had plenty of money and jewelry secretly squirreled away. She used that money to hire another attorney, all while stringing Tanner along. Eventually, the other attorney contacted the presiding Judge, Kenneth Carris for some logistical questions. Prior to the beginning of the truck. Everybody involved was angry at Narsi. The judge was irritated because Narci had lied and signed a sworn affidavit claiming that she was broke. Tanner was irritated because he was being paid a fraction of his wage. This behavior was part of a larger pattern. Narsi and Christobal, who were tried together and both pleaded not guilty, were poorly behaved in court, treating it with contempt.

45:23 They insisted that actually May was the mastermind behind the murders. He imagine being a mother and trying to pass off the blame on your daughter for a murder. I cannot. I am a little nicer than Narsi. Yeah. Christobal claimed that May even had him kidnapped and kept prisoner for eighteen days. He obviously had no evidence to support this claim. Narsi chose not to take the stand or testify during the trial. When addressed by Judge Carris, Nancy refused to respond to him. She only spoke to him through her attorney, whispering any message she had into Tanner's ear, who would stand and relay it. The only thing the defense really had going for them was to diet Detective Carpenteer's loan, which could be seen as collusion between the police and a witness, even for protection. Passing money to a witness in a case is a big no no, and that may have been enough to sink the case.

46:12 But the evidence that had been collected against Cristobal and Narsi was overwhelming. They would have been able to convict with or without May's testimony. Tanner's defense was floundering. He did what he was paid for and even tried to have the case thrown out as a mistrial due to lack of evidence of a sufficient nature, but he was overruled against his lawyer's advice. Christobal testified prior to the prosecution's closing arguments. After four days on the stand, he changed his story, claiming he had known about the plot the entire time, but it was actually far more substantial and wide ranging than the court knew. He wanted to lay it out for them in exchange for leniency. The judge told him to stop talking. The evidence had already been laid out, and he had already been on the stand for four consecutive days. He had had more than enough time to say his way piece. Then, in the middle of the prosecution's closing arguments, Christabal interrupted, yelling from the defense table. Judge Carris briefly removed the jurors from the courtroom and then admonished Christabal, telling him he would put him in the pen if he didn't behave Christobal tried to plead with the judge several more times. After that.

47:18 He sent a letter saying that Benji was a bad guy, a rapist and a pedophile and a pervert who deserved to die. His death was justice, but of course the law doesn't work that way. Christobal also tried to change his plea to guilty before the verdict came back. Judge Carris informed him that this wasn't allowed. It's over. Christobal shouted back, it's not over. Carris's patience was tested as he responded, it's over. The evidence is all in. The trial took nine weeks. The deliberation lasted for three days before jurors finally reached the verdict of guilty. Narsi was guilty on twelve of thirteen counts and Christobal was guilty on fourteen of fifty ten counts. Their crimes included racketeering, racketeering, conspiracy, violent crime in the aid of racketeering, interstate domestic violence, conspiracy to commit interstate domestic violence, stalking, and tampering with a witness. Narsi refused to attend the sentencing hearing, which was her right, although when Judge Kris learned of her refusal he called her a coward. Tanner requested that Judge Karris not sentenced Narsi to life given the weak evidence quote unquote. The judge went on to sentence both Christobal and Narsi to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

48:35 He fined Narsi an extra two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, demanded both Narsi and Christabal pay one hundred and five thousand dollars to Convention Concepts Unlimited, and admonished Christobal for committing quote the worst case of perjury he had ever seen, saying after he said his name, I'm not sure he said a truthful thing. Narsi still insists that she's innocent and that May was the real criminal. In twenty eleven, May had a third child and she named him Ben. The estate went into dispute between several parties. There was a legal battle between May Bernice's sister Maxine, multiple cousins and distant relatives, and Ronald Novak, the adopted son from Ben Senior's first marriage. When Ben Senior died and left Benji almost everything, he had mentioned Ronald in the will, but it was an insultingly low inheritance. He had left Ronald exactly one dollar. Ronald had been missing and homeless for years, and reappeared only two days before a judge planned to officially declare him dead in absentia. It seems likely that the majority of the inheritance would have gone to May, seeing as she and her children are the only ones still alive who were actually mentioned in the will.

49:46 But there's been no official confirmation that the legal battle has yet concluded. I tried to find information or updates on the legal battle, and it's funny because newspapers they always report, like when the trial ends, and then they report that there's a a hearing underway about something, but then they never reported like what actually happened with the hearing. So I'm not sure if it's still if it's been decided, or if it's still sort of out there. Do you know how much money there was left in the estate. I don't know how much money was left, but I do know how much the Batman memorabilia was. I just saw that. I looked at head a little bit. I saw it accidentally. Yes, his collection of Batman memorabilia went on the auction block in twenty eleven. I don't know how much it actually generated, but it was expected to generate close to two million dollars. And I also don't know who ended up buying Benji's prized batmobile. In twenty fifteen, there was a movie based on the events of this case. It was produced for Lifetime television and it's called Beautiful and Twisted and it stars Rob Low as ben Novak, Junior as Vega as Narsi, and Candice Bergen as Bernice. I should mention that nobody looks less like Benji Novak than Rob Loto.

50:54 Well, if you remember Rob Low played Drew Peterson. Oh, that's right. So I think you must just think it's fun to, you know, play these, yes, unseemly characters. That's really wild. I watched part of the movie and it was it was pretty well done the parts that I saw, and it was it was a Lifetime movie, but it was very like violent, like the part when Benji was killed, like they showed, yeah all this it was really pretty pretty gross. Rest in peace Benji and Bernice. Was anyone prosecuted for Bernice's murder? I don't believe so. I think it's one of those cases where they convicted them. They got a life sentence without parole, and so probably didn't bother with the other crime.

51:36 But they could still hold it over their head if they needed to. But I don't believe anyone was prosecuted for that. I just have a couple of questions for you. An easy one to start, why do you think money makes people do horrible things? Well, if I had the answer to that question, I think that most people struggle financially. We like to buy things, and you know, I think having limitless money sounds great or more money, Yeah, just it buys you comfort, It buys you, you know, and it's not even just about things. For some people, it's just about stability. You know a lot of people are struggling that there. So I can understand that. I understand. I asked the question a little bit facetiously, but it just seems like so often, you know, we see people do these things and they end up in jail for the rest of their lives. So what's worse, you know, either living with a situation or divorcing someone and not getting a lot of money out of it, or spending the rest of your life in jail.

52:30 Yeah. I think a lot of people think money buys happiness, but yeah, we've all been told that it's not true. True, But I think I'm already a fairly happy person, so I think money would just make me, you know, even a little happier. More money. But actually I say that, but I think we're pretty fortunate and very comfortable, So I actually take that back. I don't know, feel greedy to say we want more of anything. For sure, we have each other. That's all the riches in the world that I need. Just see what I did there. Yeah, that's a good pun. You just need one. What do you think about Detective Carpenteer. We talked about it a little bit, but the fact that she gave this loan to may like she felt like she was doing the right thing, but it really could have come back to damage the case.

53:12 Right, I guess in the moment, I was like, Oh, that's so kind of her, But yeah, I mean it really kind of blew up, and that's why you're not supposed to do those kind of things. Yea. So still, on the other hand, may could have been killed, right, I mean, yeah, she was doing something to save someone's life, So it's kind of an interesting ethical dilemma, like do you do this thing that's going to save someone's life, but at the same time it might completely jeopardize getting justice for these other people as well. Well, Narsey wasn't very generous, I'm guessing with anyone, especially May right. I was wondering that when you were talking about the case, like did she was she going to share her inheritance with her brothers? And oh, I doubt it. I mean, I'm sure she was going to pay her brothers for the work that they did to help her get it, But no, I'm sure she was not planning on spreading the wealth around as Yeah, any more than she had too. Well, thanks again Ann for recommending the case. It was a really interesting one, even if most of the people involved were horrible people, So thanks Anne.

54:08 Were they horrible or were they complicated? Maybe both? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know if everyone was more like Bernice. Was she horrible? She wasn't a great mother, either she kind of neglected her kids, but maybe less horrible than some of the other I think there's different degrees of horrible. May she just. From everything I could tell you. Okay, we talked a lot about Batman in this episode, so I would be remiss if I didn't spend a little bit more time talking about the Batman TV show, because I know you said you watched it and you had your own little dance to it even and I loved it when I was a kid, again, not originally. It really was a great show. Like I when you look back at like the I'm always struck by the I don't know cinematography is the right word, but the like it was so col there were just it was like a comic book like it was just so colorful and vivid and everything.

55:05 And Adam west On, Burt Ward Robin, they were just so their acting was just so over the top. It was really great. It was really campy, and it was like intended to be campy. I think I've always liked campy things, and even as a kid, I think I really just thought it was great. I have a few interesting facts about the show. So it aired for three seasons only from nineteen sixty six to nineteen sixty eight. How many episodes was that? One hundred and twenty okay, one hundred and twenty half hour episodes. But the way that they ran it was the first two seasons they ran two episodes a week, so and they were all two part episodes, so it was like a thirty minute episode into the fan and then they would.

55:46 Have the next part and the third male had the exact same plot pretty much. Yeah, they did have the same plot. It was a hugely popular show. It was considered the biggest TV phenomenon of the mid sixties. There was also a companion feature film that was released between seasons one and two, so that was exactly like the TV show, but it was a movie. Most of us know about the main villains, the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, the Catwoman, one of the cat Catwoman, I guess. One of the lesser known villains was Egghead, which was played by former horror actor Vincent Price. Egghead believes himself to be the world's smartest criminal, and his crimes usually have an egg motif to them.

56:27 He also includes egg related puns in his speech, and he uses various egg themed weapons I have a little clip of egghead here that I thought was actually pretty funny. Well, see how you like this. What you said, Batman, I don't know. Whatever it is, it's awfully funny, the yokes on them, it's laughing. Guess it's about the funniest drinking he was ever, you see, even funnier than the Joker. It's just a classic scene. Classic.

57:08 I know you had your Batman dance, but I don't know if you knew this, but the Batman TV show actually invented a dance craze. Did you know that. I don't think so. It was called the batusi, which was a play on a popular dance at the time called the watusie. It actually became a national dance craze in the sixties and was used on many different TV shows, including The Simpsons, zena Warrior, Princess, and Everybody Loves. Raymond's Very You can't wait to see you perform this for me? Well, I can. It's actually pretty easy. It was also included in the movie Pulp Fiction. So the signature I create this dance, I don't think so, and not know it. I don't think it's similar to what he was a little kid in front of the TV.

57:48 Well, the signature move of the dance is making a sideways V shape with your index and middle fingers and moving them horizontally away from your eyes. So you probably remember pulp fiction, Yeah, of course. Yeah. Only did Batman have his own dance, but he had a hit song as well. Adam West released a single titled Miranda, which he performed in costume during live appearances in the sixties. Here's a short clip of that. Will tonight be the night that Bruce reveals himself to the magnificence Miranda. I never met a girl like you before, Miranda.

58:32 I do anything for you if you just passed me, ask me to do anything for you, Miranda, but please to ask me to it's against the code of heroes. Wish you know how much I love you. Know. It's a pretty nice song, isn't it. Yeah. I didn't play the whole thing, but you can. You can find it out there on YouTube if you want to put it on repeat. Not to be outdone, Frank Gorshon, who played the Riddler, released a song Burgess. Meredith, who played the Penguin, also released a song, and Bert Ward recorded a song called Boy Wonder I Love You, which is this is pretty crazy at some people may not find this crazy, but it was written and arranged by Frank Zappa, became pretty well known for kind of like you know, his music was sort of out there, but he actually wrote this song before he was really famous.

59:30 But here's a short clip of boy Wonder. Hi kids, HiT's me your palm. Boy Wonder. Taking this opportunity to catch up on my fan. Mail as a boy Wonder. It's really hard to read all the tons of mail I get. Here is a letter from someone just about or dear cute, wonderful, fabulous, magnificent, exquisite boy in wonder.

1:00:12 Dear dear cute, wonderful, fabulous, magnificent boy Wonder. That was good. Yeah, another great song, all right, one. I'll leave you with one last Batman fact, and that is the original Batmobile from the TV series. It was auctioned off in January twenty thirteen. How much do you think it sold? F Oh gosh, I bet it sold for a lot. I'm going to go five million, very close. Four point two million. Wow, I think there was more than one though. Yeah, this was like the first one from the TV series. But yeah, they did use more than one. Because we saw one. So my dad lived in southern Illinois and one time we went to Metropolis, Illinois, which is I mean it's a whole.

1:00:52 It's whole town theme on Superman. Yeah, it's really cool. But they I believe that there was a batmobile there. It was an amusingly Yeah, there was like a museum that had but it wasn't really it was like a. It had a whole bunch of like it was really memorabilia, all kinds of different things, right right. They had like a lot of a lot of pop culture things from like TV shows like Petticoat Junction or like they had like a they had different like parts of rooms like you do you remember what I'm talking Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Like there was even like a like a six million dollar Man section and just yeah, I would be curious if they had any of Benji's memorabilia there because there was so much. There's a lot of superhero stuff. Obviously there was tons of Batman stuff, but.

1:01:38 Yeah, it wouldn't be surprised. That was fun. That was like a little kind of a cheesy little town but really kind of fun, like in the middle of not really a whole lot around it. How many times do you think we accidentally said Nancy instead of narsing. If we did, we apologize, but that was a little tricky. We caught it quite a few times when we actually accidentally said Nancy, but I'm sure we missed at least one or two. A little easter egg for you to find. Yes, well, thank you all so much for listening. We really appreciate each and every one of you. Please rate, review, follow and subscribe. Find us on social media on Instagram, Facebook, or YouTube, or send us an email at lovemarykilat gmail dot.

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