Nov. 10, 2025

Sara and Michael Colucci

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On the evening of May 20, 2015, a frantic 911 call came in from a jewelry store in Goose Creek, South Carolina. The caller, Michael Colucci, told dispatchers that his wife, Sara, had tried to take her own life, and that he was performing CPR. When first responders arrived, they found Sara outside the couple’s business, The Gold Standard, lying near a hose that had been looped over a fence. Michael said she had used it to hang herself. But investigators quickly noticed that parts of his story didn’t add up.

As detectives began to piece together what had really happened that night, a much darker picture emerged — one involving financial troubles, personal turmoil, and a marriage under strain. What began as a call for help soon became a homicide investigation that would divide a community and test the boundaries of reasonable doubt.

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Hi.

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I'm Rich and I'm Tina.

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If there's one thing we've learned in over twenty years

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of marriage is.

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That some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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And some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

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Welcome to love, Mary Kill, Hey Tina, Hey Rich.

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How are you?

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I am fabulous today. How are you?

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I am doing great.

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It is a beautiful day here in southeast Michigan.

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It's beautiful but blustery, very very windy.

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I like a windy day.

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Yeah, it's cool.

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Do you want to just talk about the weather for

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an hour?

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I thought we could.

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I thought we might get some snow by next Monday. Really, yeah,

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it's hard to believe.

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It is hard to be It would probably.

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Just be floury. It's nothing serious because it's been pretty warm.

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Oh do you want to stop talking about the weather now? Oh?

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We could keep talk about the weather. I think people

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love here talk about We can talk about the time change.

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We had a time change last weekend.

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That's crazy, Well crazy, I'm measure if that's the right

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word for it. Super annoying. I think most people really

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hate the time change, especially if you have young kids.

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My heart goes out to people with you know, younger kids,

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because I remember how brutal that was. You think old

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people like you because it seems to really be affecting you.

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Yeah, it does. I'm not a big fan of it either.

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Yeah. So the episode that we are doing today so

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the first time this has ever happened on Mary Kill.

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I started this case this summer when it was kind

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of a breaking news case and I was like, yeah,

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I'm not feeling it, and I put it on a shelf.

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I do that. Actually, I have done that several times.

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Were all a startercase. Get like a third into it,

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I'm like, I'm not into it, and I end up

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dropping it. But you picked this one up. Yeah, so

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sure did some of the research was mine.

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Yeah, thank you for your work on it. I appreciate it.

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You did a lot more work on it though I did.

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But you you always seem to have like multiple cases

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that you're working out at once, where I'm I'm more like,

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I work on one case at a time and then

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I can't even think about another case until I finish

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that one case. Yeah.

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Well, one of our brains works better than the others.

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I would say better, just different. For sure.

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I feel like I have to be working ahead all

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the time. Like, right now, I'm working on a Patreon case,

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but I'm also working on a regular case. This is

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really boring. Let's move on.

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I don't know how you do it. Are you happy

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now that at least one sports season is over?

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You said that kind of like, are you happy now

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or once? Well, I know it was hard what has happened.

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That's slightly frustrating in general. I don't care. You watch

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your sports, have at it if it makes you happy,

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I'm happy for you. But the thing that kind of

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stinks is like the Lions have gotten better, so they're

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tending to play on like Monday night, Monday night or

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Sunday night. And U of M also has had some

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night games on a Saturday night, care right, So it

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seems like.

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And then the World Series is always it too.

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So yeah, so that was kind of like, you know,

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it was Halloween season and we really only watched one

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scary Halloween movie together, and I was a little bummed

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about that.

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That is a little bit of a bummer. Well, that's

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why I said it like that, because I know it's

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been a lot. I appreciate your patience.

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Okay, cool, I'm famished. Do you have a snack for me.

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I do, but I'm really ashamed to say, you're not

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gonna like this.

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Oh, it's okay. You every time i'd raw asparagus or something.

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Every time I do a case from South Carolina, which

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is where this case is, I google like snacks from

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South Carolina. Yeah, and this snack consistently comes up, and

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I've never done it before. I finally was like, you

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know what I'm just going to do this.

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Is it a crab boil or.

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No, it's boiled peanuts. Oh and I didn't make them

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like homemade because you have to use like raw peanuts

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or green peanuts, and you can't find those. So I

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bought a can of boiled peanuts, but I bought a bat.

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I brought a backup snack.

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Is okay, Well, I have these skippy peanut butter bites

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that have been sitting here since last week. I have

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I could always eat.

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I have the boiled peanuts, but I brought a backup snack,

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which is Hostess Twinkies for chocolate.

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When you just open with the twinkies, I know that's

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going to be a lot, but you feel obligated to

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do the boiled peanuts. I feel snack that is featured

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in South Carolina exactly. I'm happy to try them. I

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love peanuts, all right.

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I think I already know based on your reaction. But

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what did you think about the boiled peanuts?

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Those were horrible? I'm not sure who was like, let's

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make a nice peanut like mushy. You tasted like a

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I don't know, like a bean or something.

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Yeah, I'm guessing they're a lot better when you buy them,

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like from a street vendor in South Carolina or something

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like that. But yeah, those are not good at all.

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How about the chocolate twinkies.

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They're pretty good. I don't know if it was like

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the taste of the peanut was still in my mouth,

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but it tasted a little off to me too.

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Yeah, I did not love them either.

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I thought they were really definitely because you love a twinkie.

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Yeah, they were definitely better than the boiled peanuts.

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But can you explain the boiled peanuts that you bought.

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They're in a can.

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Yeah, they come in a can that's called peanut patch

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boiled peanuts, and they're like in liquid. And I warmed

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it up because it says you said, it says you

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can eat them right out of the can, but you

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also can warm them.

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Well, we will not be eating those again. No, maybe

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just South Carolina they'd be better. I have seen a

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guy in ann Arbor. He sells peanuts.

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I think that's right. He's got a big like signed

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by the side.

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It's on. Which road is the Dexter and Urba road? Yeah,

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because everyone knows Dexter and Urba road. But yeah, maybe

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we should swing by there sometimes. Yeah, Well, thank you

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for your effort. By the way, we hardly had any

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trigger treaters. We're recording this on Monday, November three, hardly

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had any, not hardly had any, but we had like

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probably a third of what we usually did. So curious

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if you guys out there had fewer trigg or treaters too.

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So much candy left. It's not good, No.

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It's not good. How about we get to today's case.

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Fabulous idea.

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Today's case is a recommendation from our friend Chrissy. Thank

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you Chrissy for the recommendation. And I do want to

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say before we start that this episode contains discussion of suicide,

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so please listen with care. On the evening of May twentieth,

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twenty fifteen, at seven to fifteen PM, a panicked man

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called nine one one in Berkeley County, South Carolina. Please hurry,

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he begged, my wife tried to kill herself. I'm doing CPR.

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When the dispatcher asked why he believed that his wife

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had tried to kill herself, the man seemed baffled, saying,

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she put herself around a hose or something, I don't know.

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The caller was forty five year old Michael Calucci. The

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woman he was desperately trying to save or claimed to be,

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was his wife, thirty eight year old Sarah Lynn Calucci.

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When first responders arrived, they found Sarah lying on the

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ground near a point where a six foot tall chain

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link fence met the side of a small warehouse. The

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building was behind the Gold Standard, the cash for gold

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store that the couple owned together. A garden hose hung

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loosely from a reel on the wall next to Sarah,

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looping over the top of the fence post. Michael told

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officers that Sarah had used it to hang herself, but

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something felt off. Sarah's body was already cold, with signs

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of lividity, meaning she had been dead for some time,

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and Michael's story it didn't make sense. He said he'd

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been sitting in the car just twenty feet away while

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Sarah stepped behind the building to pee. It was still

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light out, he would have had a clear view, so

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how could he have missed it? And what about the

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fresh cut on his lip which he blamed on CPR.

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As investigators dug deeper, more questions surfaced about money, about

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their volatile marriage, and about what really happened behind that

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warehouse fence. Was this the tragic suicide of a troubled

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woman or the deliberate murder of a wife by her husband.

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Sarah Linmore was born in July nineteen seventy six to

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Barbara and James Ronald More, better known as Ronnie. She

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grew up in Goose Creek, South Carolina, just outside of Charleston.

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Friends described Sarah as sweet, loving and happy, but also

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demanding and firey you and crossed a little bit of

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a firecracker. She was strong willed and never hesitated to

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stand up for what she believed was right. At Stratford

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High School in Goose Creek, Sarah was known for her

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bubbly personality, vivacious energy, and natural charm. She was a

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girly girl who dressed well and was always perfectly put together.

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Friends remember her as sassy, quick with a comeback, and

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possessed with a dry sense of humor. Her senior year,

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she was voted most mischievous.

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Some say mischievous, Some say mischievous.

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I think it's mischievous.

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I think it's mischievous.

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We didn't even google it, so we're just having this

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debate live on air without the benefit of a definitive source.

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It's okay, you can just keep going.

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We misagreed to disagree. Sarah married young just nineteen, and

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that marriage listed less than a year. Soon after, she

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reconnected with an old high school boyfriend, Michael Vieira. The

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two lived together for several years before marrying in the

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early two thousands. Michael worked as a contractor while Sarah

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built a career in real estate. In October two thousand

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and three, they welcomed a daughter, Bishop. By two thousand

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and seven, Sarah's parents had helped her and Michael buy

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a brand new home in the Foxbank neighborhood, a growing

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community built around a sixty seven acre lake with parks,

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a dozen ponds, and a resort style pool. The house

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itself was more than twenty six hundred square feet with

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three bedrooms and three bathrooms.

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Super cute house. I remember looking up pictures of it.

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It was, and Sarah took great pride in her home.

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Friends said that it always was beautifully decorated, spotless, and

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a reflection of her eye for detail and style. In

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May two thousand and seven, thirty two year old Michael

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Vieira attended a Harley Davidson rally near Myrtle Beach, about

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two and a half hours from home. He and his

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friends were partying, taking LSD along with some cocaine and marijuana.

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Before long, Michael became agitated and erratic, talking about Jesus,

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speaking in tongues and acting violent and irrational. Alarmed, his

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friends called Sarah, who told them to let him walk

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it off. Early the next morning, Michael's body was discovered

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alongside a rural roadway by a newspaper delivery driver. He

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was wearing no shirt, no shoes, and only one sock.

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He had been stabbed twenty seven times. A small black

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pocket knife lay on the ground beside him. He had

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one thousand dollars of cash on him, along with a

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vial of cocaine. An autopsy determined that he died from

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multiple stab wounds, several of which penetrated his chest cavity,

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lacerating his heart and left lung. He had no defensive wounds,

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and the only blood found on the knife was his own.

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Toxicology tests showed alcohol point zero five percent LSD, cocaine,

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and marijuana in his system. Investigators found no evidence of

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foul play by anyone other than the victim. The death

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was ruled accidental and the case was closed. I wasn't

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able to find a lot more detail about his death.

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I did read that some people thought it was suspicious.

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He had twenty seven stab wounds, which seems a little

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unusual for someone, and.

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So many Ellen Greenberg had too, which is really strange.

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It is, Yeah, but I don't believe his death was suspicious.

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I don't believe there was anyone else involved. I think

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he just took too many drugs and was hallucinating, potentially

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had some other problems.

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Do you believe he stabbed himself?

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I do, yes. Michael left behind thirty year old Sarah

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and their three year old daughter Bishop. Sarah was devastated

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by Michael's death, but she had a young child who

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needed her, not one to wallow in self pity, she

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worked hard to rebuild her life and create stability for Bishop.

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Sarah was hesitant to date again after losing Michael Vieira,

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but in two thousand and nine, a friend insisted she

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meet an acquaintance, another Michael, jeweler Michael Calucci.

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Michael Calucci was born Michael Frederick Antonio in January nineteen

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seventy to John and Doris Antonio, who together owned a

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beauty school in New Jersey. Michael was their second child,

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following his older brother Johnny. When Michael was just four

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years old, tragedy struck his father, John died at age

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thirty six. A few years later, Doris remarried a jeweler

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named Evo Francesco Calucci. Evo had emigrated from Naples, Italy,

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at age eighteen, coming from a long line of jewelers.

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He opened his first US store in New York City

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in nineteen fifty nine. Evo had five children from his

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first marriage, but after meeting Doris, he'd divorced his wife

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and started a new life with Doris and her two

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young sons. In nineteen seventy five, Evo Doris, Johnny, Michael,

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and three of Evo's children moved to South Carolina's Low Country,

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where Evo soon established himself as one of the regions

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lead being jewelers with his store, Caluchi's Jewelry Factory. South

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Carolina is divided into four distinct regions, the Upstate, the Midlands,

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the Pead, and the low Country. The Pad takes its

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name from the river that runs through it, which was

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itself named for the indigenous tribe that lived along the river.

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The low Country refers to the southeastern corner of the state,

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stretching across a dozen counties below what's known as the

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fall line, the point where the hard rock of the

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Piedmont gives way to the soft, sandy soil of the

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coastal plain. Much of the low Country sits only about

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two hundred seventy feet above sea level. That low elevation,

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along with its southern latitude, is what gives the region

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its name, but geography alone doesn't define the low Country.

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What makes it truly distinctive is its beauty. A landscape

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shape by salt marshes, tidal creeks, and barrier islands that

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fringe the Atlantic Coast. Live oaks draped in Spanish moss,

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palmetto tree swaying in the breeze and dense maritime forests

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give the area it's unmistakable character. Ordered by the ocean

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and the Savannah River, the Low Country is a place

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where history, nature and culture intertwine, and it's setting plays

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a quiet but powerful role in our story.

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We haven't spent much time in the low Country, but

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we did go to Hilton that a few years ago

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and definitely fond memories as a great vacation and beautiful place.

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Really beautiful. We went to Savannah too during that trip,

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and it's just our country is so beautiful. There's so

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many unique terrains, and it's just wild to me that

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you drive a few hundred miles south and it's a

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completely different terrain. Yeah, we kind of fell in love

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with the area.

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Yeah, we really did.

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Yeah, it was just so nice to be right by

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the ocean.

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And other than the alligators.

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But let's get back to Evo Kulucci. Known for his integrity,

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Ebo built a reputation as a fair and honest businessman.

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His motto was simple, you make a living, you don't

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have to make a killing. What do you think he

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meant there?

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I think he just meant that to be a businessman.

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You don't have to be cutthroat, you don't have to

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be a jerk. And I think it's you know, he

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seems like he was a very good businessman in terms

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of caring about people and not trying to take advantage

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of people.

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And his family came first. Yeah. Outside of jewelry, Evo

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invested in real estate, buying condemned houses and renovating them

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into apartments that he later rented out. At one point

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he owned as many as twenty rental properties. Although Evo

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never formally adopted Michael, the young man took the caluci

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name when he turned eighteen, perhaps an effort to associate

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himself with his stepfather's respected reputation. By then, Michael had

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decided to follow in Evo's footsteps and become a jeweler himself.

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In nineteen ninety seven, at age twenty seven, Michael married

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his first wife, Camilla. Three years later, he opened his

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own jewelry store in Somerville, South Carolina, Colucci's Jewelers. The

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couple eventually had a daughter, Providence Milan Calucci.

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I believe she went by Milan, but.

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Within a few years of Milan's birth, the marriage fell apart.

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In October two thousand and eight, Michael filed for divorce.

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It was a bitter and protracted battle, where the ninety

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five court filings, restraining orders, mandatory drug testing, and a

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contentious custody fight. The divorce was finalized in December twenty ten,

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with Michael awarded sole custody of Milan. In April two

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thousand and five, while still married to Camilla, an incident

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occurred between Michael and a friend named Curtis Reid. Curtis

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was at Michael's house one afternoon, the two relaxing and

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watching TV. At some point, Curtis got up to grab

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a drink from the kitchen. Michael, who had wrestled in

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high school, snuck up behind him, put him in a

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choke hold, and lifted him off his feet. Then he

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threw Curtis to the ground, fracturing his left leg and ankle.

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It's unclear what led to the incident, though it appears

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Michael may have been goofing around or showing off.

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I can't remember the last time I was like rough

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housing with another guy like that.

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Well, you used to it with our son, but then

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here Curtis didn't have medical insurance and racked up about

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forty five thousand dollars in hospital bills. To avoid a lawsuit,

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Michael agreed to make regular one thousand dollars payments over

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the next three and a half years. He made about

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sixteen of those payments, but then stopped. Curtis eventually sued

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him for the remaining balance. The end of the payments

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to Curtis coincided with Michael's finances beginning to spiral. In

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May two thousand and five, he and a business partner,

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along with an investment company, took out a four hundred

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and fifty thousand dollars loan to buy eighteen acres of

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land in Charleston County. It's unclear what the plan was

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for that property. In October two thousand and six, Michael

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and Camilla took out a one point five million dollar

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mortgage on a waterfront home. Just over a year later,

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the loan company sued them, alleging they hadn't made a

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payment in almost six months. In May two thousand and eight,

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the couple secured an another loan, this time for five

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars to purchase a separate parcel

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of land, but within a year that bank also sued

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them for failing to make the required balloon payment. This

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situation always stresses me out in her stories. When you

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know these people are in over their head.

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I just don't know how people can live like that.

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I just it's so stressful.

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So by the time Michael and Camilla's marriage collapsed, they

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were being sued by two banks, and Michael was being

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sued by his former friend Curtis Reed. They were overextended

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and underwater. This was the situation Michael Calucchi found himself

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in when he met Sarah Moore in two thousand and nine.

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Michael and Sarah's mutual friend was determined to set them up.

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He would call Sarah and ask has he called you yet?

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She'd say no, and he'd immediately call Michael to say,

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you need to call her. Eventually Michael did. Their first

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conversation lasted a long time, and by the end of

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it they'd agreed to talk again soon. For the next

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several weeks, they spoke on the phone occasionally. Both were busy,

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so the calls were short but warm, easy, natural, and

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always ending with a promise to talk again. After months

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of these conversations, they finally arranged to meet for dinner

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one Friday evening in downtown Charleston. Still uncertain about dating,

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Sarah had a friend on standby in case she needed

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a quick exit. But, as she would recall later, when

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I saw him for the first time, it was love

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at first sight. It was the best date I have

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ever gone on, and it felt as if he and

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I had known each other for years. I told my

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mom the next day, as well as several people who

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asked about the date, that he and I will get married.

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He is my one and always will be. Sarah's daughter

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Bishop and Michael's daughter, Milan, just sixteen months apart in age,

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rounded out the new family. Michael and Milan moved into

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Sarah's home in Fox Bank, and a year later, on

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June twenty fourth, twenty eleven, Sarah and Michael Caluchi were

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married at his historic French Huguenot Church in Charleston. Will

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be Back after a break.

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At the time of their marriage, Michael ran two jewelry

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stores in the Somerville area. The couple soon began running

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the business together, even converting aloft in one of the

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stores into a playroom to keep their two young daughters

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entertained while they worked in a twenty twelve interview with

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Charleston Living magazine, Sarah said, I love coming to work,

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being with my husband and having the flexibility to have

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my children come here. It's a real blessing. Not long

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after the wedding, Michael legally adopted Bishop as his daughter,

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though neither he nor Sarah told her parents that he

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had done so. The couple later purchased a new property

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on North Main Street, just outside of Somerville. It wasn't

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a jewelry store, but more of a warehouse that they

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used for storage and as a place where people could

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sell gold. They called it the Gold Standard. The signs

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painted on the front windows advertise expert gold buyers and

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more dollars for your gold. The plan was for this

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to be Sarah's business to run. The property consisted of

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a white painted cinderblock building in front that served as

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the store front, attached to a larger warehouse in the back.

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On the right side of the front building were doors

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marked men's and ladies. Beside it, a narrow driveway led

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to the rear building, secured by a chain link fence

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and gate. This was the location where, just a few

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years later, Sarah Calucci would lose her life.

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These doors that you described were was that a separate

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entrance for men and women or was that a restroom?

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Those were two restrooms that were in the front, and

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that will become relevant later. Ok But I believe that

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Michael and Sarah didn't have the keys to those restrooms

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because there was also a restroom in the warehouse in back,

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which they did have the keys to.

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Okay.

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Ivo Kalucci, who had retired to Key West, wasn't happy

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with how Michael was handling the family legacy. The Kalucci

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name carried weight in the Charleston area, and Evo felt

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that Michael's business decisions were tarnishing that reputation. He had

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never supported Michael's choice to open a second store, and

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he strongly disagreed with the decision to launch the Gold Standard.

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As the business expanded, Evo's original jewelry store began to struggle.

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Still holding an ownership stake, Evo came out of retirement

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to help restore it to stable footing. I think Evo

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and Michael never really got along very well, and I

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think when we talked earlier about Evo's business philosophy of

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making a living not making a killing, I think he

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was very different from Michael.

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I think Michael wanted to make a killing.

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Yeah, exactly. Michael's financial troubles, which had begun years earlier,

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only deepened after his marriage to Sarah. The expansion stretched

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their resources thin, and cash flow became a growing problem.

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The couple fell behind on their mortgage and property taxes.

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Sarah even admitted to a neighbor that their electricity and

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water had been cut off at times because they couldn't

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keep up with the bills. They also fell behind on

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tuition payment at Northwood Academy, the private school that their

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daughters attended. By the end of the twenty fourteen twenty

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fifteen school year, they received a do not return notice.

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In response, the Cluchies sued Northwood Academy for negligence, claiming

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the school had mistakenly shared information about their financial situation

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with another family. Not long before she died, Sarah confided

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in her mother, Barbara Moore, about how bad things had gotten. Still,

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she told her mom that Michael was working on a

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major land deal, and if it came through, she believed

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all of their financial troubles would finally disappear. Alongside their

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worsening financial troubles, Sarah and Michael's marriage had begun to deteriorate.

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Michael's casual drug use became more frequent, and by twenty fourteen,

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Sarah was feeling unsafe, especially when he was high. She

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called nine one one twice that year and increasingly leaned

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on her parents for support and for childcare. Sarah had

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her own struggles. She had battled the prison ever since

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the death of her second husband, Michael Vieira, and she

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had been diagnosed with ADHD and post traumatic stress disorder.

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Her depression often intensified in May, around the anniversary of

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Vieira's death. Under psychiatric care, she was prescribed adderall for ADHD,

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Xanax for anxiety, and deserel or trazodone for depression. But

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she also struggled with alcohol abuse and occasionally used cocaine

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with Michael. When she drank, friend said she could become volatile,

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picking fights to provoke him. Her mother described her bluntly,

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when Sarah drank, she was the biggest, baddest, meanest thing

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that there.

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Was in those drugs that she was taking, Like none

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of those are to be taken with alcohol, right, Yeah, exactly.

476
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:46.880
She was really asking for trouble yep.

477
00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:50.000
In the weeks leading up to May twentieth, twenty fifteen,

478
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:54.640
Sarah's text messages reveal a relationship in turmoil. Most are

479
00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:58.400
messages that she sent to Michael, with occasional replies from him.

480
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:03.119
They show a woman's swing between anger, desperation, and exhaustion.

481
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:06.839
April twenty second, don't come back here. I don't need

482
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.480
your shit another night. I'm going with Karen to see

483
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.880
her attorney tomorrow. Enough is enough for me. Get drunk

484
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.400
and bleed out of your ass to death. I'm not

485
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.640
playing games with you anymore. Our marriage is over. Go

486
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.640
away and the next day, April twenty third, I already

487
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.279
know that Bishop and I will have to go to

488
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:26.680
a women's shelter because you are not going to leave.

489
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.759
I hope you are happy with the way you found

490
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:31.200
me and the person you have molded me into with

491
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:35.440
your controlling waves. Later that same day, she texted tell

492
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:39.279
Camilla to never contact me again. Enjoy the house I built.

493
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.279
By the way, the house is in pre foreclosure status.

494
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.400
My parents are not going to allow that to happen,

495
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:46.799
but they're not going to allow you to live there either.

496
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.960
Think hard and play your cards right, Michael, game on

497
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:52.920
so if you recall, her parents actually owned the house

498
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.160
that they lived in, they were supposed to be making

499
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.599
the mortgage payments on it, but it was still in

500
00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:01.400
her parents' name. On May first, she texted, I would

501
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:04.160
prefer you move out because we don't fuck. Kissing you

502
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:06.799
makes me nauseated, and you and I are nothing alike.

503
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.119
You ruined my life, but you won't ruin bishops. I

504
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.279
really don't like you and hope you die of a

505
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:16.000
heart attack. Later that night, she sent a flurry of messages,

506
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.319
you are the biggest joke in Charleston after all. She

507
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.079
sent that same text seven times in a row, then

508
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.079
followed with and that makes me the biggest joke in

509
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:29.240
Charleston's wife. On May fifth, Sarah texted, I am tired

510
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.359
of being berated for what you have tried to turn

511
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.160
me into. You are a problem, but not mine anymore.

512
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.680
Stupid bastard paid Connie lately, paid anyone lately. I hate you.

513
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:41.039
I will leave with the kids, but I need the keys.

514
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.160
Michael replied, have you I'm assuming he meant have you

515
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:47.119
paid anyone lately? Opened the house? I will gladly give

516
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.119
you the keys. Sarah says, I will leave with the kids,

517
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.039
but I need the keys now. If you think I'm

518
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.720
playing some drunk ass man's game, you're wrong. Michael says

519
00:26:55.799 --> 00:27:00.000
you can have the keys. I never said otherwise. Sarah replies, Michael,

520
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:01.920
I am so sad that you would rather be right

521
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.960
than have a family. Good luck to you. I'm filing

522
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.000
for divorce. You got what you asked for, another failed

523
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.279
marriage that wasn't your fault, and another business down the tubes.

524
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.440
The next day, their tone briefly softened. Sarah asked, how's

525
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.599
it going. Michael replied about a property deal that he

526
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.039
was working on. Sarah texted, let's keep our fingers crossed,

527
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.839
and after a few more exchanges, Michael wrote, I love you,

528
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:30.559
and Sarah responded, that's sweet as exactly the kind of

529
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.720
responds to you on when you text someone I love you,

530
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.279
isn't it, Or when you tell someone.

531
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.160
Can't wait to text you that next daybeus text me

532
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:36.720
I love you.

533
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.279
On May eleventh. I hate you. The only thing you

534
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:43.039
close in your life is your mouth. Enjoy getting fucked.

535
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:46.319
I want out now. I am leaving tonight. I want

536
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.319
a divorce period. When you read some of these texts,

537
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.680
I'm just like I don't know how you can send

538
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.599
a text like that and come back from that, you know,

539
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.079
and like the next day, be how's it going.

540
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:03.119
I think couples have some ugly fights more often than

541
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.079
we do. I guess they're not perfect, but we really

542
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:05.920
don't fight very much.

543
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.799
Yeah, but just saying things in a text like I

544
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.599
want a divorce period like I am just it.

545
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.000
Well, they're both under the influence of drugs too.

546
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.640
Yeah, I think that probably has something to do with it.

547
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.839
So two days before her death May eighteenth, she texts,

548
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.039
you need to leave. I don't love you like I

549
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.799
did before you are less. I need to be happy.

550
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.279
Goodbye freak. But later that night, her tone flipped, Baby,

551
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.079
I don't want any more fighting. Please. I'm begging you

552
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.680
to forgive me. Please. I am sick. I can't do

553
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.559
it anymore. Our fighting is my fault. I'm sorry. Please,

554
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.440
please forgive me. I'm begging you. Michael replied to that text.

555
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.559
I never had anything but love and compassion. I can't

556
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.839
bring back the one you love. You can have any

557
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.960
pool boy or girl you want. Fuck Shane, he's next,

558
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:52.839
Fuck you all. I don't know who the Shane is

559
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.559
that he's referencing, but I think the I can't bring

560
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:58.480
back the one you love must be about Michael Vieira, yeah,

561
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.400
or or second husband, because she was obviously still very

562
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.119
distraught about his death.

563
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:04.960
It's very sad.

564
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:09.039
Sarah's response to that came quickly, Michael, please stop. I'm

565
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.680
very sorry. I need you. Please don't hate me, and

566
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.400
please don't leave me. I will be the wife you deserve.

567
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.559
Their messages continued late into the night, oscillating between hostility

568
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.440
and please for forgiveness. At one point, Sarah wrote, I

569
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.200
am very sick and I love you. I can't argue anymore.

570
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.519
I think I'm dying. So there were I know that

571
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.599
was a lot of text messages, and there were a

572
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.200
lot more that I didn't read, But I think these

573
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:34.440
give you a glimpse into kind of the chaos of

574
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:39.039
those final weeks and Sarah's sort of mindset. Interestingly, like

575
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.319
in the texts that I saw, there were very few

576
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.640
responses from Michael.

577
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:43.920
I was going to ask about that.

578
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.480
Yeah, And I believe what I read is that these

579
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.200
text messages were taken both. They looked at both Michael's

580
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:53.440
phone and Sarah's phone, So I don't believe that any

581
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:55.839
of them were deleted because they would have both had

582
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:57.920
to delete them. So I'm not sure if he just

583
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.119
was very like when she would get in the state,

584
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.319
probably when she was drinking, she would get very aggressive

585
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.279
text him all these things, and I think he just

586
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:07.519
didn't engage.

587
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.839
Yeah, that sometimes is the best way to handle someone's anger. Yeah,

588
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.799
was supposedly when it's a rational anger, like sounds like

589
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:16.839
she was probably under the influence of something when she

590
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:18.920
was sending the angriest of these texts.

591
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.559
Yeah, for sure. Sarah's mother later confirmed that in the

592
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.400
days before her death, Sarah told her that she did

593
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:26.640
plan to leave Michael.

594
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.880
On Wednesday, May twentieth, twenty fifteen, Sarah and Michael spent

595
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.640
much of the day at their attorney's office discussing the

596
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.480
lawsuit they had filed against Northwood Academy, their daughter's school.

597
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.759
That afternoon, Sarah's mother, Barbara, picked up the girls from

598
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.000
school and took Bishop to her piano lesson. Sarah had

599
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.200
told her mom that they were planning a family night

600
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:50.319
that evening, a tradition that usually involved playing games, performing

601
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:53.880
little shows, or making music together. She has Barbara to

602
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.079
have the girls home by six o'clock Later that day,

603
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.160
Sarah called her mother from her car or Michael was

604
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.799
still inside the attorney's office. Robert described her daughter as

605
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.279
upset and angry during this call. The reason that Sarah

606
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.839
was upset had something to do with drug use, though

607
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.519
it wasn't clear whether she met Michael's or her own.

608
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.160
She told her mother she wasn't going to live like

609
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.920
this anymore. Sarah said she had a plan. She would

610
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.519
chaperone Bishop's fieldship the next day, attend her fifth grade

611
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.039
graduation on Friday, and then on Saturday mornings she would

612
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.279
take Bishop and leave Michael for good. She wanted Barbara

613
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.200
to take control of the house legally owned by her

614
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:36.039
and her dad after she left. After the meeting, Michael

615
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.000
and Sarah drove to Magnolia Cemetery to visit the grave

616
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:42.319
of Sarah's late husband, Michael Vieira. It was near the

617
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.079
eighth anniversary of his death, a time of year that

618
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.279
always hit Sarah hard. His grave sat in a quiet

619
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.039
section near the water, shaded by trees. Michael would later

620
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.279
say that Sarah became upset at the cemetery after learning

621
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.640
that someone else would be buried between Vieia's plot and

622
00:31:58.680 --> 00:31:59.160
the water.

623
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.880
I did read that there is no record of anyone

624
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:07.240
being buried between his plot and the water even after that.

625
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.519
So she just liked the idea of him having the

626
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:10.359
view of the water.

627
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.920
Yeah. But what I'm saying, though, is that I think

628
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.799
Michael was either making that up or if there were

629
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.519
plans to bury someone there, it changed because no one

630
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.720
was ever buried between him and the water.

631
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.799
Okay. At some point afterward, the two stopped to have

632
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:27.119
some drinks. According to Michael, they were singing and having

633
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.480
a good time, and the drive back towards home when

634
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.200
Sarah said she needed to use the bathroom. They were

635
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.680
near their business, the Gold Standard, so Michael pulled in there.

636
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.480
The front building had two restrooms, but neither Michael nor

637
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.680
Sarah had keys to them. There was another restroom in

638
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.599
the warehouse behind the main building, but rather than unlocking

639
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.599
the gate and going through, Michael said, Sarah decided to

640
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.000
squeeze through the narrow eightent gap between the fence and

641
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.200
the wall to relieve herself behind the building in broad daylight,

642
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.559
while wearing a sheath dress and stiletto heels. Friends would

643
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:04.759
later testify that it wasn't unusual for Sarah to urinate

644
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.799
outside if she needed to. But Michael did have the

645
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.160
keys to both the gate and the warehouse, so it

646
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.240
seems like a surprising decision.

647
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.559
Let's talk a little bit more about the layout of

648
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.960
this here, because I know it's confusing to try to

649
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:22.240
describe it. But the so the driveway went like beside

650
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.519
the building and the driveway there was a gate, a

651
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.160
chain link fence with a gate across it. So the

652
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.839
fence butted up against the side of the building, but

653
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:33.440
there was like an eight inch gap between the fence

654
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.480
and the building. So Sarah decide, apparently, according to Michael,

655
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.119
decided to squeeze through this gap, rather than Michael, who

656
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:44.799
had the keys to the gate, unlocking it, driving back there,

657
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.440
letting her into the warehouse. It just it seems very strange.

658
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:52.680
At the top of the episode, we talked about how

659
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.079
I first started investigating this episode, and I remember hearing

660
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.519
that I was so confused about it. We'll post some pictures.

661
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.039
It makes it up a little easier to visualize it.

662
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.759
But what's the purpose of having a fence if someone

663
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.280
can squeeze through it so easily? But I also read

664
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.599
that she did it all the time. It was just

665
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.119
easier for her to squeeze through. She wasn't a very

666
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.840
big person. She could just squeeze through rather than having

667
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.639
to unlock the gates.

668
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.000
That's what Michael's attorneys would later argue. It It may

669
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.400
it may be the case, but it just still seems

670
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.519
very strange to me. And I think that I don't

671
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.440
think the site was super secure, Like the chain link

672
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.320
fence didn't have like barbed wire on top, so it

673
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.079
was more of like a deterrent from someone, you know,

674
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:32.760
breaking in.

675
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.159
Most women would not choose to pee outside.

676
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.920
Yeah, and I didn't know what a sheath dress was,

677
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:39.639
but it's a pretty kind of.

678
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.559
Form described by I was surprised by your description of

679
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.280
sheath dress and stiletto heels.

680
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.400
It just seems like that would be really difficult to

681
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.360
pee outside given that clothing combination. As well.

682
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.079
Well, I think the sheath it wasn't exactly. It was

683
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.280
just a form fitting dress. I've pictures of it, so

684
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.800
it wasn't like a sheath dress. I think kind of

685
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.159
means like it's a longer dress. It was a shorter dress.

686
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:02.639
Gotcha.

687
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.880
Still, Michael told police he waited in the car. The

688
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.280
length of that way, however, changed with each telling. To

689
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:13.159
one patrol officer, he said about thirty minutes. To Sarah's mother,

690
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.719
he said he sat in the car, listened to two

691
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.039
songs and smoked a cigarette. To another relative, he said

692
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.440
seven or eight minutes at most. At seven thirteen pm,

693
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:26.440
Michael called nine one one. His voice was panicked. He

694
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.280
told the dispatcher to hurry that his wife had tried

695
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.800
to kill herself by putting quote a hose around herself

696
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.960
or something. He said he was performing CPR. Firefighters arrived

697
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.760
first at seven sixteen pm, followed by law enforcement in

698
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:46.239
seven nineteen pm and EMTs at seven twenty one pm.

699
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:47.079
That's really cool.

700
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.280
So within ten minutes you have all the authorities.

701
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.159
There, I mean even like three minutes after the beginning

702
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.440
of the call, or was the time that the first

703
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.239
responders had real quick, everybody arrived pretty quickly.

704
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.639
They found Michael kneeling beside Sarah, who was lying on

705
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.960
the concrete near the warehouse wall, her feet close to

706
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.639
the chain link fence. As they approached, he shouted, my wife,

707
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.400
my wife, my wife, she's gone. They asked him to

708
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.239
step back so they could assess her. When they did,

709
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.119
they noticed the end of the garden hose beneath her body.

710
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.519
The hose ran up the fence, looped around a post

711
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.320
and back to the hose reel attached to the wall.

712
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.599
A single blonde hair was stuck to it. It was

713
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.119
immediately apparent that Sarah was beyond saving. Her skin was cold,

714
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.639
her lips and face bluish purple, and lividity had already begun.

715
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:39.119
Electrodes confirmed that there was no heartbeat. She was pronounced

716
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:42.559
dead at the scene. The silver Toyota Prius the couple

717
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.920
had been driving, was parked about twenty feet away, facing

718
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.599
the chain link fence. It was still daylight, clear, calm,

719
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:54.440
with good visibility. Michael appeared distraught. He told first responders

720
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.039
his wife had taken her own life. Officers noted that

721
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:00.960
the right side of his lip was swollen and bleeding,

722
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.559
which he said was from performing CPR. They also observed

723
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.480
abrasions on his left arm and the knuckles of his

724
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.679
left hand. Inside the car, investigators found a broken pair

725
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.199
of sunglasses and acrylic fingernail on the passenger floorboard. In

726
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.000
Sarah's cell phone with a cracked screen. Sarah's autopsy revealed

727
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.320
five separate areas of trauma to her neck, five separate

728
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:31.840
areas wow, including two distinct furrows or indentations, primarily located

729
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.599
on the left side. They were positioned high on the neck,

730
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.239
just below the jawbone. The ligature marks measured about one

731
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.639
centimeter wide or three eighths of an inch beneath the surface.

732
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.480
There were multiple hemorrhages, and the deep soft tissues of

733
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.599
her neck concentrated mostly on the right side. Her thyroid

734
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:54.079
cartilage the voice box was fractured, though her hyoid bone

735
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.119
remained intact. In addition to the neck injuries, Sarah had

736
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.519
a bruise around her left eye, consistent with where her

737
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.559
sunglasses had broken. She was missing the acrylic fingernail from

738
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.000
her left pinky, the nail they found in the passenger floorboard.

739
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.480
She also had abrasions on both knees and on the

740
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.960
top of one foot. Her bladder contained about one hundred

741
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.400
and eighty millilters of urine, enough to indicate that she

742
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.199
had likely felt the need to relieve herself if it

743
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.880
was her intent when she went behind the building. She

744
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.880
died before she had the chance. As I thought, when

745
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:29.880
you died, you relieved your bladder.

746
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:33.000
I'm guessing it depends on the circumstances of your death,

747
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:34.920
but apparently apparently not always.

748
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.440
Toxicology reports showed a blood alcohol concentration of point two three,

749
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.920
nearly three times the legal limit. Sarah also tested positive

750
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.719
for cocaine and xanax. The cause of death was determined

751
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.840
to be asphyxia due to neck compression. The manner of death, however,

752
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.880
was listed is undetermined. Oh, undetermined.

753
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.760
Yeah, it seems a little surprising, I guess, but yeah,

754
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.320
just all the other factors around this, the injuries to her,

755
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.719
you know, her eye, all the injuries on her neck,

756
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.119
the broken pinky like in the.

757
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.920
Car, really indicates some sort of fight to me.

758
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.199
Yeah, And she had abrasions on her legs and the

759
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.039
top of one foot, which sounds sort of like one

760
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:22.599
being dragged potentially across concrete. So I've read and I

761
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.280
didn't include a lot of this in my script, but

762
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:27.760
I think there are a lot of allegations that the

763
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.559
police kind of looked the other way and a lot

764
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.320
of this. There are allegations that Michael had close relationships

765
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.159
on the police force, but I wasn't able to really

766
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.920
verify a lot of that. But it does make you wonder.

767
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.000
It seems it sort of seems like they kind of

768
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.880
took his word and said, oh, she killed herself.

769
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.960
Was the Koluchi names strong enough that it they had

770
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:48.679
like pulled?

771
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.199
I think so that's sort of my impression.

772
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.280
We'll be back after a break.

773
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.639
Michael's account of that evening shifted repeatedly depending on who

774
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:07.039
he was talking to and when he told some people

775
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.000
that Sarah had hanged herself. Other times he said she

776
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.880
must have tripped and accidentally caught herself in the hose.

777
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.039
That just seems like such a bizarre explanation. Yeah, Oh

778
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:18.800
she tripped and caught and caused all these injuries and

779
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:20.159
just makes no sense.

780
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.559
It makes no sense at all. I really had a

781
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.440
hard time with that, Like, it's just impossible to think

782
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:29.000
of someone like stringling themself with a hose at their

783
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.119
company where they were right. It just doesn't make sense.

784
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.400
We don't all. At first, Michael claimed he hadn't been

785
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.360
drinking that night, but later he admitted that he had,

786
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:43.800
specifically fireball whiskey. He also gave conflicting timelines to police.

787
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:45.800
He said he waited in the car for about thirty

788
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.599
minutes before finding Sarah. To her mother, he said he

789
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:52.559
listened to two songs and smoked one cigarette to another relative.

790
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.639
It was seven or eight minutes tops. Those discrepancies were

791
00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:01.039
just the beginning. Michael's financial problems didn't add with Sarah's death.

792
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:04.480
In fact, they seemed to get worse. In June, barely

793
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.800
two weeks after Sarah died, a Somerville man filed a

794
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:11.159
police report over a two caret diamond ring that Michael

795
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.239
had agreed to sell on his behalf. According to the man,

796
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.639
they had signed a contract in March for Michael to

797
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.000
sell the ring, set in a fourteen carrot gold band,

798
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.360
for eighty five hundred dollars. Michael sold it right before

799
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:26.519
Sarah's death, but never paid the owner. When the man

800
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.480
tried to contact him, Michael dodged his calls. On June fifth,

801
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.400
Michael wrote the man a check postated for a few

802
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:36.199
days later. When the man attempted to cash it, the

803
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.639
check bounced with no other recourse, he went to the police.

804
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:43.400
On June sixteenth, Michael texted him, promising to pay in

805
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.280
full soon. He said he was getting a new line

806
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:50.400
of credit and asked for patients. Another customer accused Michael

807
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.159
of pawning several items she had given him to repair,

808
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:58.559
including her wedding and engagement rings. After repeated unanswered messages,

809
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.239
she eventually tracked the jewelry down herself at a local

810
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:03.000
pawn shop.

811
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:03.679
Oh Boy.

812
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.920
Michael appeared increasingly desperate for money. He asked a bar

813
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:11.440
owner friend if he could borrow fifty thousand dollars. Around

814
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:14.880
the same time, his stepfather, Evo filed a claim against him,

815
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.760
alleging that Michael owed him seven hundred thousand dollars. Then

816
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:22.760
in December, things got even worse. Sarah's family filed a

817
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:26.880
wrongful death lawsuit against him. Michael also struggled to maintain

818
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:30.960
a stable home for himself, his daughter Milan, and Sarah's

819
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.599
daughter Bishop. Because Michael had legally adopted her, he retained

820
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:38.119
custody of her. After Sarah's death. For a couple of weeks,

821
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.239
Michael and the girls stayed with Sarah's parents, Barbara and

822
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.039
Ronnie Moore. They eventually moved back into the Fox Bank house,

823
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.599
which legally belonged to the Moors. Not long after they

824
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.440
moved back there, Barbara stopped by and found Michael in

825
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.760
the garage rummaging through some papers. The encounter grew tense.

826
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.719
At one point, Michael turned to her and asked, do

827
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.599
you think I did something to say Sarah. Barbara stared

828
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.480
at him and replied evenly, did you? Michael said nothing.

829
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.519
Barbara stood, walked past him and said, you'd better find

830
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.440
another place to live because I'm selling this house, and

831
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.400
then she left. Michael and the girls moved in with

832
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.400
his mother, Doris and stepfather Evo, but the arrangement didn't

833
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.599
last long. Evo resented having him there, especially after Michael

834
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.880
began taking his cars without permission, including his prize to Corvette.

835
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.880
Evo soon kicked him out. Still, the situation wasn't all

836
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.679
bad for Michael. Evo and Doris let him stay in

837
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:38.960
the family's three thousand square foot beach house on Edistow Island.

838
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.239
Two months after Sarah Calucci's death, the Berkeley County Sheriff's

839
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.960
office asked the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, better known

840
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:47.880
as SLED.

841
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.079
You've really taken us back to the murder murders.

842
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.880
Yeah, we sure are. They asked them to take over

843
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.760
the investigation. It took SLED several months to sift through

844
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:01.239
the evidence, but eventually investigators reached a clear inclusion Sarah's

845
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.480
death was not a suicide. Here's a summary of the

846
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.880
evidence that led them there. The hose that Michael claimed

847
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.639
Sarah had hanged herself with was a thick, rigid garden hose,

848
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:15.679
not the soft, flexible kind. It would have been extremely difficult,

849
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.239
if not impossible, to fashion into a noose capable of

850
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:24.760
self strangulation. When I heard that she died with a hose,

851
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.199
I thought, Okay, it was probably one of those soft,

852
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.320
sort of flexible hoses. But I saw within the trial

853
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.119
there was a video of it. It's it's a very stiff,

854
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.920
thick hose, which if you can picture that, I just

855
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.599
can't imagine how you could hang yourself in a.

856
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:42.679
Hose or The other theory was that she accidentally hung herself,

857
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.639
and that seemed just as unlikely to me.

858
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:48.480
Yeah, even more telling, the ligature marks on Sarah's neck

859
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:51.280
were roughly three eighths of an inch wide, while the

860
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.239
hose itself was one inch in diameter. The forensic pathologist

861
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.480
who conducted the autopsy did not believe that hose could

862
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.480
have caused those marks or her death. The physical evidence

863
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:07.400
also suggested a struggle. Sarah's bruised left eye, her broken sunglasses,

864
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:11.000
the torn acrylic fingernail found in the car and Michael's

865
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.719
bleeding lip all pointed to some kind of altercation. The

866
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.079
abrasions on her knees on the top of her foot

867
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.880
led investigators to believe that she had been dragged from

868
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:24.039
the vehicle. There were also problems with Michael's timeline. First

869
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:27.079
responders noted that Sarah's body was cold to the touch,

870
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.679
with lividity already setting, in signs that she had been

871
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.800
dead for at least thirty minutes before help arrived. Yet,

872
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.840
firefighters reached the scene just six minutes after the start

873
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.599
of Michael's nine to one one call. And there was

874
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.920
the question of visibility. Michael claimed he had been sitting

875
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.079
in the car facing the very spot where Sarah supposedly

876
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.599
hanged herself, just twenty to twenty five feet away, on

877
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:55.480
a clear evening, still daylight. Investigators found it implausible that

878
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.159
he could have missed something so conspicuous. On top of that,

879
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:03.199
Michael's version of events kept changing. The inconsistencies about how

880
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.320
long he waited, whether or not he'd been drinking, and

881
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.840
how Sarah ended up behind the building were difficult to ignore.

882
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.639
Michael was not given a breathalyzer test at the scene.

883
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:15.880
I don't believe so, and I think we talked earlier

884
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.079
about how I think the police sort of took his

885
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:21.000
version of events. I don't think he was given a breathalyzer.

886
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.000
I don't think he had to do a blood test.

887
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:27.159
So yeah, none of that was done. Some of Sarah's

888
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:29.960
friends initially said they weren't shocked to hear that she

889
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.480
had died by suicide. They knew she struggled with depression

890
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.559
and could be impulsive, but when they learned how she

891
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.079
had supposedly done it, none of them believed it. Sarah

892
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:44.000
cared deeply about how she presented herself to others, her appearance,

893
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.559
her surroundings, her dignity. The idea that she would end

894
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:50.400
her life in the back lot of a warehouse using

895
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.840
a hose looped around a fence simply didn't fit who

896
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:58.960
she was, sled investigators agreed. On May fourth, twenty sixteen,

897
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.800
nearly one year after Sarah's death, Michael Calucci was formally

898
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.559
charged with her murder. He was arrested but released on bond.

899
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.519
A few days later, he was placed under house arrest

900
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:12.559
at the home of his mother and stepfather, Doris and Evo,

901
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.519
but he was not required to wear an ankle monitor,

902
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:18.400
and ten days after getting out, he moved back to

903
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:21.039
the family's beach house on Edistow Island.

904
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.519
He was under house arrest, but not required to wear

905
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:25.400
an inkle monitor.

906
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.840
Yeah, exactly. That's kind of crazy, isn't it.

907
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.440
Well, that also points to his entitlement.

908
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:35.599
Yeah, for sure. And strangely enough, he apparently left Bishop

909
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.639
and Milan to remain living with Evo and Doris when

910
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.320
he went to go live on Edistow Island at this

911
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:45.440
three thousand square foot lakehouse. Bishop later talked about how

912
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.159
difficult that was, saying that Doris especially wouldn't allow her

913
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.159
to express any type of grief or feelings about her

914
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.159
mother's death. Doris would tell Bishop to dry up her

915
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:59.119
alligator tears. Bishop said, quote, it's almost like after my

916
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.199
mom passed away, it was like that was that, like

917
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:03.360
she never existed.

918
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.239
Around the time of Michael's arrest, his stepfather, Evo's mental

919
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.920
health began to decline. He became increasingly volatile and was

920
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:17.599
eventually diagnosed with mild to moderate dementia. The stress surrounding

921
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.800
Michael's legal troubles certainly didn't help. Evo and Michael had

922
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.719
never gotten along particularly well, and their relationship grew more

923
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.360
strained while Michael was living with them under house arrest.

924
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.760
Two weeks after his release on bond, Michael called the

925
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.159
Dorchester County Sheriff's office to report that Evo was not well.

926
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.400
He said Eva was under a doctor's care, but wasn't

927
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:44.039
in his right mind. It's unclear why Michael made the call,

928
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.239
perhaps to create a record in case police were later

929
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.719
dispatched to the house, or to have an excuse for

930
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.119
moving to Edistoe Island. In August twenty sixteen, Evo filed

931
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:58.920
for divorce from Doris. This was right after Doris reportedly

932
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.760
gave seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to Michael for

933
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.000
his legal defense fund. It didn't seem that the divorce

934
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.920
was ever finalized, though. Several months later. In April twenty seventeen,

935
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:15.440
North Charleston police were called to Evo's store, the Jewelry Factory,

936
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:20.840
after reports of gunfire. When officers arrived, Evo emerged and

937
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.800
said I shot her and the gun is inside. Inside

938
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:28.760
the store, police found Doris dead from a gunshot to

939
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.960
the head. She was seventy four. Heartbreakingly, their twelve year

940
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.679
old granddaughter was in the store. At the time and

941
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:39.679
witnessed the shooting. According to a later wrongful death lawsuit

942
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.039
filed by Doris's estate, Evo's behavior had been unraveling since

943
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.760
his dementia diagnosis more than a year earlier. The suit

944
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:52.360
alleged that he had regularly exhibited angry outbursts and engaged

945
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:56.679
in arguments with Doris at the jewelry store, even threatening violence.

946
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:01.119
Employees had witnessed several of these incidents. The fights often

947
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.840
centered on money, Evo's mental health, and the mounting strain

948
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:09.119
from Michael's murder case. After Evo killed Doris, Bishop was

949
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.519
placed in the custody of her maternal grandparents, Barbara and

950
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:16.519
Ronnie Moore. Ivo's attorneys argued that because of his dementia,

951
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:20.079
he was not competent to stand trial for Doris's killing.

952
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:24.159
A judge agreed. Evo died three years later, in twenty twenty,

953
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.320
at the Somerville Community hospice House. The wrongful death suit

954
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.800
was eventually settled for seven hundred thousand dollars. A separate

955
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.760
lawsuit filed on behalf of the granddaughter who witnessed the shooting,

956
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.599
settled for seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars. Years later,

957
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.599
Evo's daughter, Kim Caluchi Lizzie, spoke with Mandy Mattney on

958
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:47.960
the True Sunlight podcast. Kim explained that Michael's upcoming trial

959
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.360
and legal expenses had put enormous strain on her father,

960
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:55.079
strain that had worsened his dementia and left him paranoid.

961
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:59.039
She was heartbroken that her father's long respected career was

962
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:03.519
now overshadowed by that single horrific act. She said, my

963
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:06.280
dad loved her, and he would have never hurt her

964
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.800
in a million years. People who knew them knew how

965
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.039
much he loved her. But I think the pressure of

966
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.599
everything that was going on and feeling like they were

967
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.800
taking from him everything he built was just too much.

968
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.840
I think he couldn't take it anymore, and that's why

969
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:20.480
he shot her.

970
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.039
Such a sad, sad chapter in this whole story, it

971
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.400
really is. It's really heartbreaking. And I think I listened

972
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.960
to the interview with his daughter, Kim Calucchi Lizzie, and

973
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.079
she speaks so highly of her dad, like she really

974
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.880
he really does seem like he was a very good man.

975
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.000
I know that's hard to square with him shooting his

976
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:40.880
wife and killing her.

977
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.559
Oh, I mean he wasn't in his right mind her.

978
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.639
Yeah, for sure. So it is really sad that his

979
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.519
legacy was, you know, is basically now all about this.

980
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.039
Yeah. Michael Calucci's trial for the murder of his wife,

981
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.400
Sarah Lynn Colucci, began in November twenty eighteen, more than

982
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.679
three years after her death. The prosecution argued that Michael

983
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:02.000
strangled Sarah using both of his hands and a ligature.

984
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:06.880
Their case centered on four main pillars. First, the medical

985
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.440
evidence contradicted the theory that Sarah died by hanging. The

986
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.320
hose in question was one inch thick, while the ligature

987
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.880
marks on her neck were only three eighths of an

988
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.960
inch wide. There were multiple areas of trauma on her neck,

989
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:24.800
including injuries consistent with manual strangulation. Second, Michael's behavior and

990
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:29.400
conflicting statements raised suspicion. He gave varying accounts of what

991
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:33.159
happened that evening. The condition of Sarah's body cold to

992
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:37.320
the touch, with lividity already setting in cast doubt on

993
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.760
his timeline. The injury to his lip was inconsistent with

994
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.960
his claim that it came from performing CPR. Medical experts

995
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.039
testified that they had never seen such an injury result

996
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:53.119
from resuscitation efforts, and after Sarah's cremation, Michael failed to

997
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:57.519
pick up her ashes for six months, something prosecutors portrayed

998
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:02.039
as callous and indicative of guilt. Third, the state presented

999
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:06.559
evidence of a violent struggle. The broken sunglasses, the torn fingernail,

1000
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:09.800
the bruise around Sarah's eye, and the abrasions on her

1001
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.599
legs and foot all signs of an altercation.

1002
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:14.440
I was trying to picture this in my mind.

1003
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:15.079
He was.

1004
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:16.880
I think he was driving the car and she was

1005
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:19.440
in the passenger seat, and you know, the injury to

1006
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.280
her eye, and the sunglasses were broken on the left side. True,

1007
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.599
he had abrasions on his left knuckles, so he could

1008
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.000
just picture him, you know, reaching across and punching her.

1009
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:32.239
And Fourth, the prosecution argued that Michael had a clear motive.

1010
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.679
The couple faced severe financial stress, their relationship had grown

1011
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:41.000
increasingly hostile, as shown by their text messages. Both had

1012
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:45.800
been drinking heavily that day, and toxicology suggested recent cocaine use.

1013
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:49.360
The defense countered by insisting that Sarah's death was either

1014
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.639
a tragic accident or a suicide, and that the state

1015
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:56.679
had failed to prove otherwise. They emphasized that the Berkeley

1016
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.800
County Corner had initially been unable to determine the manner

1017
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:03.679
of death, arguing that even trained professionals had struggled to

1018
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:07.559
reach a conclusion. Witnesses testified that there were no visible

1019
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:11.000
signs of violence in the Caluchi's marriage. The defense said

1020
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:16.719
that Sarah's depression, impulsivity, intoxication, and history of drug use

1021
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:21.880
made suicide a plausible explanation. Michael's injuries, they argued, were

1022
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.400
consistent with the distraught husband trying to save his wife,

1023
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.639
scraping his knuckles an arm on the pavement while moving

1024
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:32.880
her body, and attempting CPR. As for the discrepancy between

1025
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.440
the hose's diameter and the narrow ligature marks, the defense

1026
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.440
claimed that only part of the hose needed to press

1027
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.760
against the skin to create those marks. It didn't require

1028
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:47.920
full contact to leave an impression. Michael's attorney, Andy Savage,

1029
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:53.079
known for his theatrical courtroom style, dramatically demonstrated his point

1030
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:56.199
by wrapping a hose around his own neck and tightening

1031
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.440
it until his face turned red, showing how he believed

1032
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.519
Sarah could have done the same. Savage also played a

1033
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.920
video of his wife, who was roughly Sarah's size, squeezing

1034
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.280
through the narrow gap between the fence and the building,

1035
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:11.039
wearing the same dress that Sarah had worn. It was

1036
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.920
intended to counter the prosecution's argument that Sarah couldn't have

1037
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.679
fit through and that Michael must have opened the gate,

1038
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:19.719
dragged her back and strangled her.

1039
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:21.800
Michael's attorney is Andy Savage.

1040
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:22.039
Guy.

1041
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:25.199
He almost came across as like a clown, but I

1042
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:28.480
think he was very effective as an attorney. But he

1043
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:31.360
did a lot of like these kind of outlandish sort

1044
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.719
of demonstrations in the court room. The video of him

1045
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.559
pulling this hoys around his neck, it's really like this.

1046
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.280
Would be really jarring for the jury, I think, Yeah,

1047
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.320
it's and performative.

1048
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.400
Yeah. Well in the video too, like dressing his wife

1049
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.920
in the same dress that Sarah was wearing that night.

1050
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.880
It served no purpose other than to be kind of

1051
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:51.000
inflammatory I think for the j Yeah.

1052
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:54.000
In the end, the jury was divided. Half believe the

1053
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.159
prosecution had failed to meet its burden of proof, the

1054
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:01.079
other half believed Michael Calucci had killed his wife. The

1055
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:06.559
deadlock forced the judge to declare a mistrial. Oh oh gosh,

1056
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.719
In August twenty nineteen, while Michael Calucchi was free on

1057
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.199
bond and awaiting a new trial, Charleston police were called

1058
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.440
to an apartment complex by his girlfriend, a woman he

1059
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.000
had begun dating not long after Sarah's death. She told

1060
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.960
officers that a few days earlier, she and Michael had

1061
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:26.480
gotten into a physical altercation, during which he picked her

1062
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.039
up and threw her to the ground, breaking her arm.

1063
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:33.559
The injury required surgery at the hospital. However, she told

1064
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:36.280
doctors that she had fallen down a flight of stairs.

1065
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:39.320
When police interviewed her, they weren't sure what to make

1066
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.840
of her story. She appeared confused and inconsistent about the details.

1067
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.199
She had a history of substance abuse, and said she

1068
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.039
was on medication that made it difficult for her to

1069
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:53.800
think clearly. At first, she declined to press charges, but

1070
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.079
three months later she changed her mind and decided she

1071
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.639
wanted to move forward. Even so, there was no record

1072
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:04.079
that Michael Calucci was ever charged or even interviewed by

1073
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:05.840
police regarding this incident.

1074
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:10.239
So with another example of just speculating this, Yeah, he

1075
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:14.239
just somehow got by with these things, and yeah, it's

1076
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:18.800
really not cool. It took years before Michael Calucci's retrial

1077
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:22.440
was finally scheduled for June twenty twenty five, but just

1078
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.519
days before jury selection was set to begin, the defense

1079
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:29.480
filed a bombshell motion accusing the prosecution of a Brady

1080
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.719
violation the failure to disclose evidence favorable to the defense.

1081
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.039
According to the motion, the state had been in possession

1082
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.800
of evidence for nearly a decade indicating that Sarah herself

1083
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:45.599
had expressed suicidal thoughts, specifically by hanging. In the days

1084
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.480
before her death. Sarah's mother, Barbara Moore, had told sled's

1085
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:53.360
lead investigator David Owen that she visited her daughter shortly

1086
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.320
before she died. When Barbara arrived, she found Sarah surrounded

1087
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:01.400
by beer cans sobbing uncontrollably. Sarah told her that she

1088
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.039
wanted to hang herself and that the only reason she

1089
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:07.440
hadn't done it was because of her children. Barbara said

1090
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:09.920
she was so alarmed at the time that she considered

1091
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:13.840
having Sarah hospitalized. The account was never disclosed to the

1092
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.199
grand jury that indicted Michael Calucci. It was not shared

1093
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.079
with the defense before the first trial, and jurors and

1094
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:23.480
expert witnesses were never informed of it. The defense only

1095
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:26.639
learned of the statement in June twenty twenty five as

1096
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:29.960
they prepared for the second trial. In a dramatic ruling

1097
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:33.960
on June seventeenth, twenty twenty five, South Carolina Circuit Court

1098
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:38.159
Judge Roger Young sided with the defense. He wrote, this

1099
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:41.199
court believes our courts should demand better from the state.

1100
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:43.960
To simply allow this trial to go forward with so

1101
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:48.360
many witnesses, such as pathologists, having been denied the opportunity

1102
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:51.039
to have this critical knowledge available to them when that

1103
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.840
material is fresh, amounts to a foul with a harm.

1104
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:58.280
Calucci's defense team asked the court to dismiss the indictment

1105
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.440
with prejudice, which would have barred the state from trying

1106
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.960
him again. Judge Young did dismiss the indictment, but without prejudice.

1107
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.840
He explained, this is an unusual case and it requires

1108
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:14.039
an unusual remedy. As of now, it's unclear whether Michael

1109
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.920
Calucci will be re indicted or face another trial. By

1110
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:21.559
the way, this wasn't the first time investigator David Owen's

1111
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:25.440
credibility had been questioned in a high profile case. During

1112
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:29.079
the Elk Murdau trial, Owen admitted that he gave incorrect

1113
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:32.119
information to a grand jury, telling them that the T

1114
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.719
shirt murda war the night his wife and son were

1115
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:39.559
killed was stained with human blood. Prosecutors later conceded that

1116
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.480
there was no human blood on the shirt. Do you

1117
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:43.320
remember that at all?

1118
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:47.239
Yeah, I'm very angry right now. Are you furious?

1119
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:51.119
Yeah? It really is very frustrating when things like this happen.

1120
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.119
Just a failure, failure of the system.

1121
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:55.000
Absolutely.

1122
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.519
I haven't been able to find out much about Michael's daughter,

1123
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.840
Providence Milan klue Ucci. She would be twenty or twenty

1124
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:04.159
one now. The only thing I've found is that she

1125
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.679
made the Dean's list in the fall twenty twenty four

1126
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:11.559
semester at University of South Carolina Salcahatchie. She's been through

1127
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:14.239
a lot, and we certainly hope that she's doing well.

1128
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.320
I do have more of an update on Sarah's daughter, Bishop.

1129
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:20.519
She has also been through a lot. She lost her

1130
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:24.559
birth father, Michael Vieira, than her mother, Sarah, and finally

1131
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:27.960
the man who had adopted her, Michael Calucci. She hasn't

1132
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:31.559
spoken to him in years. When Bishop was in eighth grade,

1133
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.360
she started doing photography for fun. Now twenty two, she

1134
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:39.400
has her own photography business, taking pictures for her old school,

1135
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:43.480
Northwood Academy, as well as Caine Bay Living magazine, and

1136
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.760
she does family photography as well. She got married in

1137
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:49.000
twenty twenty four to a guy that she met five

1138
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:52.519
years earlier when she was sixteen. Bishop was interviewed on

1139
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:55.760
the Cup of Justice podcast in June twenty twenty five.

1140
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.840
She talked about her memories and how she was first

1141
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.800
told that her mother's death was an accident, then was

1142
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:04.880
later told by Michael that Sarah had died by suicide.

1143
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.519
Once she was finally in Barbara and Ronnie Moore's custody,

1144
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.760
she started learning more about the case and now firmly

1145
01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:15.599
believes that Michael Calucci killed her mom. In recent years,

1146
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:18.840
she's become much more active in pushing the Attorney General

1147
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:21.800
to get the case back before a grand jury and

1148
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:25.800
hopefully reindict Michael Calucci. A few years ago, she got

1149
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:30.079
a tattoo. It's her mom's handwriting with the words until then,

1150
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:34.000
love you beautiful Mama. It's from an elementary school yearbook,

1151
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.039
one of the last that her mom signed before she died.

1152
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.039
In the interview, I listened it sounds like Bishop is

1153
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:42.719
a wonderful person, and it sounds like she is really

1154
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:46.000
doing much better than you could expect after all that

1155
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:49.840
she's been through. So yeah, rest in peace, Sarah. I

1156
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:51.960
have a few questions that I would like to talk

1157
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.599
over with you. Do you think that there is any

1158
01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:01.719
chance that Sarah died by suicide? No, I don't believe

1159
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:02.679
that she did.

1160
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:07.119
But I'm always she's going to commit suicide while Michael

1161
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.719
is waiting in the car. That makes no sense, right, No,

1162
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.079
I agree, broad Daylight. No.

1163
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:13.760
I just want to say that when I go into

1164
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:18.159
these cases where it's a question of suicide versus being killed,

1165
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.519
I'm always trying. I always try to be open minded

1166
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:24.599
that when people do die by suicide, sometimes it doesn't

1167
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:27.159
make any sense. But I completely agree with you in

1168
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.920
this case, there's no way I can get around the

1169
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.360
circumstances and believe that she did.

1170
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:36.280
So maddening that he walks free among us, It really is.

1171
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:40.280
Do you think that the inconsistencies in Michael's statements were

1172
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:43.320
signs of guilt or could they be just the confusion

1173
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:44.599
of someone in shock.

1174
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.199
No. I think he was definitely guilty, and I think

1175
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:51.719
he was trying to weave this narrative.

1176
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.280
Yeah, I think when he first told the police, oh,

1177
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.599
I was sitting in the car for thirty minutes, he

1178
01:02:56.679 --> 01:03:00.559
was trying to basically make it seem plausible that.

1179
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:03.920
And what man, I'm I'm sorry, I'm just very angry

1180
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.199
to Yeah, what man is going to sit in the

1181
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.760
car for thirty minutes and wait for their wife to

1182
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.400
do anything? Right? Yeah, she was like, you would either

1183
01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:14.360
be worried or you'd be like, oh, come on, what

1184
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:16.719
is taking you so long? Just doesn't make sense that

1185
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:18.440
he would have sat there for you know.

1186
01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:20.239
The whole thing doesn't make sense. And the fact that

1187
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:23.800
his car like literally twenty feet away on a clear

1188
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.239
it wasn't dark yet, it was it was evening, but

1189
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:27.119
it was early evening.

1190
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:29.360
Wasn't going to catch that out of the corner of

1191
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.559
your eye, you know, Yeah, whatever.

1192
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.000
Yeah, it just the whole thing makes no sense at all.

1193
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.599
Do you think that the judge was right to dismiss

1194
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.719
the indictment because of the Brady violation, even though that

1195
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:43.920
means that Sarah's death may never get a final verdict.

1196
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:46.639
That's a tough one. I'm not really sure. What do

1197
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:47.039
you think.

1198
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:50.199
I think it was from a legal perspective, I'm not

1199
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.239
a lawyer, but it seems like the right decision. You

1200
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.159
can't keep something like that from the way, is.

1201
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:56.840
That evidence a smoking gun though?

1202
01:03:56.920 --> 01:04:01.519
Like it No, definitely not a smoking gun, but potent exculpatory.

1203
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:05.400
It would have given the defense something to say. Look,

1204
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:07.440
she was talking about this a couple of days a

1205
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.719
few days before. So even though it sucks, I mean,

1206
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.920
I think it really is gonna not help in the

1207
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:18.400
search for justice for Sarah. Yeah, but I do think

1208
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.519
legally it was the right call. And by the way,

1209
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:23.199
Bishop in her interview she said the same thing, like

1210
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:26.440
she wants justice for her mom more than anything, and

1211
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.000
she thinks Michael killed Sarah. But she also said, you know,

1212
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:33.440
it really was the right call from a legal perspective.

1213
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.800
It shouldn't have been, you know, all the information should

1214
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:36.320
be out there.

1215
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.239
It's hard because I think it's horrible that he hasn't

1216
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:43.559
been retried yet. I would just really like to see

1217
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:45.440
him be put to justice.

1218
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.119
I would too. I really hope that they retry him.

1219
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:50.679
I wonder if they will though, because you know, with

1220
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:54.159
the first trial ending in a hung jury and now

1221
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:56.880
with this coming out, you know, I wonder if they're

1222
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.800
going to just drop it, which would really stink.

1223
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:03.800
Because he's just a really, really icky guy.

1224
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:05.960
He is a really icky guy, and he's yeah, he's

1225
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.760
out there walking free with you know, nothing hanging over

1226
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:09.039
his head.

1227
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:11.760
And his mom has passed away and Evo has passed away,

1228
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.840
so he probably has more money. And well this, I'm

1229
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:16.639
not sure what happened to the estate. I'm guessing you

1230
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:18.920
don't quite know either. I don't know the state would

1231
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:20.320
have been divided among.

1232
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.280
Ev had Evil had five kids of his own, and

1233
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:26.840
then Michael and his brother were his step kids. So yeah,

1234
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:30.000
I'm not sure how that all, you know, played out.

1235
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.239
But he probably got some money of it, I would think.

1236
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:35.800
But he also had so many lawsuits against him that

1237
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:38.360
any money that he would have gotten from the estate

1238
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:40.159
might have just been true.

1239
01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:43.000
And a guy like Michael, just from what I've learned

1240
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.239
about him so far, he's he's going to keep getting

1241
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:49.400
in debt, like he's just you know, not very smart

1242
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:52.400
about the way. You know, he was always in that too,

1243
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:54.119
that's true. Yeah, that doesn't help.

1244
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.239
Do you know what happened to the jewelry business? Is

1245
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:56.840
it still there?

1246
01:05:57.199 --> 01:05:59.320
I don't know. I know, the like I looked on

1247
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.800
Google maps at the Gold standard where she died. That

1248
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:05.920
is closed down. It's still the building is still there,

1249
01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:07.719
but I think it's empty at this point.

1250
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:10.119
So quick Google tells me that there is still a

1251
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:14.440
Kuluchi's Jewelers. But that was Michael's store, wasn't it. Evo's

1252
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.079
store was the jewelry factory.

1253
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:19.800
Yeah, but I suspect they were like related because I

1254
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:22.440
think I think Evo still had an ownership stake. I

1255
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:25.199
think his daughter was involved, so I think maybe maybe

1256
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:26.920
his daughter is running that now.

1257
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.079
I don't know, right, it doesn't mean that the family

1258
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:33.119
still owns it looks like maybe someone named Stefan is

1259
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:33.639
running it.

1260
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.480
Okay, maybe one of Evo's other children.

1261
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:39.800
Yeah, and you can get cash for gold there still.

1262
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.920
Oh, good to know, Good to know. I have one

1263
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.280
last question for you. When I was going through the

1264
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.679
text messages that Sarah sent to Michael, in a couple

1265
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:51.039
of them, she blames him for turning her into something else,

1266
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:53.280
Like she says, I hope you're happy with the way

1267
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.039
you found me and the person you have molded me into,

1268
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:58.679
with your controlling ways. And it brought a kind of

1269
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.599
a question in my mind of like how much responsibility

1270
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:05.159
does a partner bear for the ways their behavior changes

1271
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.440
the person that they're with. Like, can someone truly mold

1272
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.159
their partner into a different person or do they just

1273
01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:12.760
bring out what's already there.

1274
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.840
I think that's a fair question. But yeah, I think

1275
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.840
people change for their partners all the time and allow

1276
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.159
themselves to be molded into something that they don't want

1277
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:23.559
to be. But I think in this case it's about

1278
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:26.719
the addiction. Yeah, So, like Sarah might have been on

1279
01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:30.199
a better path until she met Michael and that's when

1280
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:33.760
they started using together. Yeah, and that sounds like it

1281
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:35.079
was their biggest downfall.

1282
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:37.960
Yeah, I think you're probably right. You mentioned earlier when

1283
01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:40.559
we were off the air that you believed you had

1284
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.840
read after her second husband, Michael Via died that she

1285
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:47.039
cleaned herself up. I hadn't found that, but that makes

1286
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:50.320
sense to me that the way that he died, being

1287
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:53.119
on like several drugs, that maybe she took that as

1288
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:56.079
an opportunity to try to get herself straight, and then

1289
01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:59.239
with Michael she ended up being back drinking a lot

1290
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:02.800
and doing drugs. So it was probably a bad, bad When.

1291
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.199
I was doing the initial research to her family, seemed

1292
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:11.000
her parents seemed particularly loving and kind, and supportive to her.

1293
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:12.840
Yeah, I mean that.

1294
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:14.239
Was really generous.

1295
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:15.400
Yeah, definitely.

1296
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.960
Well, I certainly hope that Michael Kolucci is retried and

1297
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:20.920
there is justice for Sarah.

1298
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:30.319
Agreed before we go, I thought we could have some

1299
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:32.600
more boiled peanuts. Do you want some more boiled peanuts?

1300
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:35.960
Those were so bad And I'm not even being dramatic.

1301
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:40.359
They were really bad because they were they expanded in

1302
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:40.960
this shell.

1303
01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:42.039
Yeah.

1304
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:44.840
Really, I don't know what happened it was. They were

1305
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:46.399
really We're probably.

1306
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:48.239
Going to anger some people in South Carolina, but I'm

1307
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:50.960
sure they I'm sure the ones in the can are

1308
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:53.760
very different than what you get when you buy them there.

1309
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:55.960
But that was pretty bad. I'm not going to make

1310
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:56.960
you eat more of those.

1311
01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:01.680
Okay, Well, you can't make me do anything. I made

1312
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:05.880
you like a super nice dinner. I made spaghetti and

1313
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.840
meatballs and homemade French bread. So yeah, you might not

1314
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:11.359
get it now.

1315
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.439
Well, I sure hope you change your mind. I do

1316
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:17.399
have a little quiz for you that I love, A

1317
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:19.920
quiz I think our listeners will enjoy playing along with

1318
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:23.319
as well. If you weren't around in the eighties or nineties, though,

1319
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:25.800
you probably should just sign off now because.

1320
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:27.600
Are you talking to me? Because I am a child

1321
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:29.039
I was a child bride.

1322
01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:32.359
So what I've put together here are some sounds from

1323
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:36.520
iconic kind of sounds from the eighties and nineties, sound

1324
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:38.359
effects things like that, and you have to tell me

1325
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:39.720
what these sounds are.

1326
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:43.439
Okay, the first one is going to be American line.

1327
01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:50.840
How did you know that? Yes, you've got mayo. I

1328
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:52.520
was going to start you off with a softball and.

1329
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.760
Easy it was, you know, that was definitely a sound of.

1330
01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:58.560
That's crazy that you knew. That was the first one, though.

1331
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:00.359
The second one, I'm just kidding.

1332
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:07.000
Okay, Well, here is the second one.

1333
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:13.520
That was the dialing of a rotary phone. It's shocking

1334
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.359
how many times you would get a wrong number.

1335
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.680
Oh yeah, you get like six digits in and then

1336
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:22.079
you do the wrong one, like start over again. It's

1337
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.680
like a lot of work. All right, here's the next one.

1338
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:26.039
Mm hmmm.

1339
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:31.800
I didn't know this one.

1340
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.720
Oh I know this one. Yeah.

1341
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:38.359
It's Simon, Yeah, Simon, Simon, Simon, or it's just Simon.

1342
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:40.119
That's the game where you.

1343
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.399
Had to It was huge. I think it was really big.

1344
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.000
It was like bigger than a dinner play probably in

1345
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:46.960
its original.

1346
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:49.520
Yeah, and it was like just a memory game, right.

1347
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.479
It would light up in and you had.

1348
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:53.239
To do the blue, red, blue, green. Yeah.

1349
01:10:53.520 --> 01:11:00.399
I think you're going to recognize this one kind of

1350
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:03.560
related to the American we Oh.

1351
01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:06.399
Yeah, it was a modem.

1352
01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:09.319
That's a classic sound.

1353
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:14.000
It took like, it took a while. Sometimes I've been

1354
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:15.920
told I don't know.

1355
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:20.239
Because you're too young. But it was paint those Yeah,

1356
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:22.880
those were painful days. But we didn't know it. We

1357
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:24.399
didn't know any different, so you know.

1358
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.399
We did that. We would get definitely annoyed.

1359
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:29.199
I remember buying my first motive.

1360
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:30.560
Yeah.

1361
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:33.920
No one will likely get this, but I remember buying

1362
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:35.880
a forty eight hundred modem because I was like, I

1363
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:38.279
would never need a faster modem than that, Like that's

1364
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:41.920
the fastest there is. What that means it was at

1365
01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:44.039
the time, it was kind of fast. All right, here's

1366
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:45.800
the next one. I think you're going to feel good

1367
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.439
about this one.

1368
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:54.000
My favorite, my favorite game of all time. Pac Man. Yes,

1369
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:55.800
I don't know if it's Miss pac Man.

1370
01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.239
I think that was pac Man. Yeah, all right, here's

1371
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:07.600
another one, also one that I did not know because

1372
01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:08.720
I was unfamiliar with this.

1373
01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:10.920
I don't know it off the top of my Headmagotchi.

1374
01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:11.960
Do you remember those?

1375
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:13.600
Oh? Our kids had those?

1376
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:16.680
Yeah? I never had one when when I was younger.

1377
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:18.000
I guess I was probably an adult.

1378
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:19.520
Bay, Yeah, I think you were an adult.

1379
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.920
But then, all right, here this one I love. This

1380
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:22.560
is a classic.

1381
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:32.399
Oh boy, this also took forever in a day, the

1382
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:33.760
dot Matrix printer.

1383
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:36.680
Right, that's right, all right. One last one for you.

1384
01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.119
This one's subtle, so you need to listen very hard.

1385
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:49.239
Okay, I think I'm too young for that one. I

1386
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:51.600
believe that is a VCR.

1387
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:55.039
The VHSJA popped in or yeah, ejected from.

1388
01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.159
Well, thanks for making me feel like a dinosaur.

1389
01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:00.920
It is funny how some of those sounds can just

1390
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.000
like take yeah they really are. Yeah, you didn't think

1391
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.119
about it at the time, but they yeah, they really are.

1392
01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:06.680
Well.

1393
01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:08.880
I hope you all enjoyed that quiz as well. One

1394
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:11.680
last thing before we go. We sometimes talk about when

1395
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.680
people post on Reddit and they mentioned us, which we

1396
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.920
really appreciate so much when people mention we do love

1397
01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.039
Mary Kill on Reddit or Facebook or wherever you mention it.

1398
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:22.840
There was a post a couple of weeks ago that

1399
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:26.079
I thought was kind of funny. Somebody posted asking what

1400
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:31.279
true crime podcasts music perfectly compliments the subject matter, and

1401
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:34.640
somebody answered, I know co host Tina doesn't like it,

1402
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:38.960
but I personally love the intro music for love Mary

1403
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:40.760
kill Well.

1404
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:43.199
It is true that I do not love our theme song,

1405
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:45.159
but I'm glad you guys do. And I'm glad you do.

1406
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:48.159
I see a comment from someone recently, I can't remember

1407
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.479
where it was, if it was email or somewhere else,

1408
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:52.760
that someone said they agreed with you and they really

1409
01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:56.239
would love it if we reconsidered our themail.

1410
01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:00.000
I would too, but it's okay. I believe in democracy

1411
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:04.560
and majority roles and I think you've tried. You've tried,

1412
01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:09.279
and that's okay. But whenever I hear it, I'm like, oh, cringe.

1413
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:11.840
I hate it, But I mean, I agree it does

1414
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:13.720
fit the theme of our show, but I feel like

1415
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:14.960
it doesn't fit me.

1416
01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:17.640
I understand.

1417
01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:20.319
Yeah, Well, we'd love to hear what you guys think

1418
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:23.000
about our episodes. If you're listening on Spotify right now,

1419
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:25.520
leave us a comment. We always love to read your comments.

1420
01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:27.399
And I think you took off the filter, So if

1421
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:31.479
you want to say something mean, go for it before

1422
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.720
you would read through the comments and yeah.

1423
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:35.600
I was moderating them, and yeah, but.

1424
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:36.960
I never go for it.

1425
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:37.800
Go for it.

1426
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:42.439
This weekend, while you were watching sports, I watched Nobody

1427
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:46.119
Wants This on Netflix with Kristin Bell and Adam Brody.

1428
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.239
I am late to the game. Everyone has already watched this,

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but I really enjoyed it. But Kristin Bell and her

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sister are podcasters on the show. Really and someone was

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saying something to Kristin Bell about leaving her a negative

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review if they were mad at her, and she said,

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any interaction is engagement and that is good for us.

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Wow, that's very philosophical, very evolved. Well, I will say

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a couple and a year ago or so, somebody made

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a Reddit post about love Mary Kill and it was

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pretty negative. I actually responded to it, which I shouldn't

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have done. Anyway, it was very negative. But since then

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a lot of people have responded to that post saying, hey,

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I found you guys because of this post, and I

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love you.

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So that's great. I think you know there is I'll

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be positive and that's it's fine. I have definitely become

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a lot more of I don't know what's the word.

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I just feel like, it's okay if not everyone loves

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your podcast. Yeah, for sure, because people want different things

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out of a podcast. It's totally fine. But anyway, we

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appreciate you guys so much for listening. We love you all,

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and we just are so grateful that you keep listening

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husband and don't kill your wife