Shanna Gardner and Jared Bridegan

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Hi, I'm Tina and I'm Rich. And if there's one thing we've learned

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in over twenty years of marriage,
it's that some days you'll feel like killing

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your wife and some days you'll feel
like killing your husband. Welcome to love,

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Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey
Tina, How are you? I

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am fabulous? How are you?
You're fabulous. We've had quite a week

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over here. I love Mary Kills. Two adios. Wait a week.

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I'm not a great week. No, it's been a rough week. Yeah.

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Yeah, So about a week ago, I found out really sadly that

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my best friend passed away, like
I have known since I was eleven,

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twelve years old. Yeah, so
it was really sad. I've kept in

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touch with him over the years and
went to his funeral in New Orleans at

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the end of last week, and
it was a it was rough. Yeah,

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we're both got it. Yeah,
you know well and loved him dearly,

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and yeah, where I can to
labor the point we had talked about

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maybe we owe Kevin a lot.
We actually met at his wedding. We

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did, I think on our next
Patrion episode, we were going to talk

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a little bit about how we met. Our story and Kevin and Cindy and

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their parts in our relationship, and
we're both gonna miss Kevin a lot.

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He was a really special person and
someone unlike anyone I've ever known. Absolutely,

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I wish everyone could know Kevin.
I wish everyone could know someone like

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Kevin, because he was just a
lovely, lovely human being. Okay,

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I think we've gained a lot of
new listeners, and you might be wondering

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why we do a snack. We
also don't know why we do a snack.

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We just do. But I did
bring you a snack, and I

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don't think you're gonna love my snack. But I actually brought you one of

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my very favorite empty calorie snacks,
and it is Chester's Cheese Popcorn. You

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can find it and pretty much every
gas station or a dollar store. Have

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you even had it before? I
don't know. I don't by it often

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because I have a hard time not
eating the whole thing. I like any

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cheese, like artificially cheese flavored thing. I know it's gross, I just

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do. But I also brought you
a chomps grass fed beef stick. I've

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been into these lately. They're both
ultra processed next very well balanced snack.

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You got your protein. There,
you got your carbs. I'm trying to

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eat more protein and less empty calories, so I keep these actually by my

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desk, and in the afternoon,
when I want like a bowl full of

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Chester's popcorn, I have a beef
stick instead. So anyway, we're gonna

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take a quick break and you're gonna
taste these delicious things I brought you.

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All right, well, thank you
for bringing those delicious gas station type snacks.

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You're welcome. They were excellent.
The chesters were. They were just

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reminded me of Cheetos. It was
so funny because you could not think for

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cheetos between Cheetos and cheese its,
I can't completely but they're sort of like

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Cheetos, but they're much puffier air. It's like styrit like styrofoam really,

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but it's really really light and airy
and cheesy. And what do you think

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the beef stick, it was fine. It was just basically generic beef stick.

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I think they're a little I think
there's less chemicals in them, so

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I think they're yeah, okay,
not something you would reach for. Probably

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not what do you reach for?
Never mind, I know, I know,

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all right. Today's case was recommended
to us by our good friend Jarna.

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Jarna is a Patreon member and she
is a great member of her community.

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So thank you so much, Jarna
for this recommendation. Today, I'm

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going to tell you the story of
Shana Gardner and Jared Bright again a reminder

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that the suspects in this case are
innocent until proven guilty by a court of

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law. This case is still making
its way through the judicial system. On

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February sixteenth, twenty twenty two,
thirty three year old Jared Bright again was

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gunned down while his two year old
daughter watched in horror from the back seat

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of their car. Jared took his
nine year old twins Abby and Liam to

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dinner along with his two year old
daughter, Bexley. He shared fifty to

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fifty custody of the twins with his
ex wife, Shana Gardner. Wednesday was

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date night for the non custodial parent. Each week, whether it be Jared

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or Shanea's week of custody, the
other would pick up Abby and Liam for

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dinner and a fun activity After dinner. On that February night, Jared took

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the children for ice cream. Jared's
that's a nice thing to do. Isn't

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it. Yeah, the way you
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week for sure. Jared's wife of
four years, Kirsten, had stayed home

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that night at their home in Saint
Augustine, Florida, with their six month

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old daughter, London. It was
about a forty minute drive between the two

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homes. Kirsten had just talked to
Jared, Ard and Bexley minutes earlier.

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Bexley had excitedly told her mom about
the ice cream she'd just had with her

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siblings. Kirsten expected Jared home at
eight fifteen. When he didn't arrive by

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eight thirty, she became worried and
called his cell phone feverishly. Kirston decided

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to look for Jared while she continued
to call his cell phone. Eventually,

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to her relief, someone answered Jared's
cell phone, but it wasn't Jared.

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It was a police officer. They
calmly told Kirston that her daughter was okay,

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but she needed to come to the
Jacksonville Police Department as soon as possible.

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They gave no other details. Jarrett
had dropped the twins off at their

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mother's house in Jacksonville Beach in the
upscale gated community known as the Sanctuary.

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At seven forty eight pm, as
Jared neared the intersection of Jacksonville Drive and

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Sanctuary Boulevard, a dimly lit,
tree lined single lane road void of any

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homes, a tire was in the
middle of the road. Instead of skirting

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around the tire, Jared stopped,
turned on his flashers, and opened the

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door of his black Volkswagen Atlas just
as an unknown assailant rushed from the woods

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and ambushed him, shooting him several
times at close range, killing him instantly.

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God horrible. A nearby doorbell camera
recorded the sounds of the gunshots ringing

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through the night. Gunshots were also
fired into the car, but fortunately missed

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Bexley. I don't think they were
aiming at Bexley, but just it was

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he was right by the door,
and so they kind of just went into

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the van. So scary. The
window next to the car seat shattered.

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Someone who lived in the nearby neighborhood
heard the shots and called nine one one.

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Bexley sat alone, strapped into her
car seat, crying for three minutes

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until a couple came upon the scene. They unbuckled Bexley, wrapped her in

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a blanket, and held her until
police arrived. The police took Bexley to

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the police station to await her mom. The tire remained in the middle of

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the road and was taken as evidence
that poor girl, can you I mean,

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she's just a little beep. She
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sit there by herself, and old
enough to know what had happened, but

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not understand what happened. Jared Galen
Brightigan was born on June twenty ninth,

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nineteen eighty eight, and Warrensburg,
Missouri, to Gaylord and Joanne. He

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had a sister named Bashley and two
brothers, Justin and Adam. His family

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relocated to Jacksonville Beach, Florida in
two thousand and seven. Jared graduated from

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Douglas Anderson's School of the Arts in
Jacksonville. The school opened in nineteen twenty

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two during segregation as a primary school
for African American students. The school is

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named after a local civil rights activist, Douglas Anderson. In nineteen eighty five,

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the school was renovated into a Magnet
high school specializing in performing, visual

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and language arts. I just think
schools like that are really cool and interesting.

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My high school was pretty darn boring. Jared then attended Utah Valley University,

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where he received a degree in Digital
Media with an emphasis and cinema production

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in twenty fourteen. At the time
of his death, Jared worked for Microsoft

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as a senior design manager. He
was really good at his job, he

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loved his job, and he was
excited for his future. Here's an excerpt

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from his obituary quote. In a
recent Facebook post, Jared summed up his

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priorities in life. First was his
relationship with his heavenly father and his son,

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Jesus Christ. Second was his relationship
with his eternal companion, best friend

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and wife Kirsten, And third was
the privilege of being the father to his

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children. These priorities and his firm
belief that one day he would kneel before

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the Savior to give an accounting of
his life on the earth shaped his every

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decision and what a difference it made. Jared was an awesome father, husband,

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son, and friend to many.
More than anything in life, he

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enjoyed spending time with his children,
building a playhouse in the back yard,

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creating a laser tagarina in the garage. Jared seemed to have endless energy creating

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memories with his children. One of
his favorite hobbies was home improvement, especially

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when working alongside his wife. Together
they handcrafted wooden beams for the master ceiling,

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built a custom fireplace and office desk, ship lapped walls, and so

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much more. Jared was also the
guy in the neighborhood who would loan you

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his tools and then show up to
help you with your project. He was

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funny, happy, go lucky,
and even a bit shy, but a

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powerful presence in the lives of those
he loved. He recently served in the

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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day
Saints as a Sunday school teacher to eleven

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and twelve year old youth who expressed
gratitude for the fun he brought to church

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through his creative object lessons and humorous
stories he would share as he taught them

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about the Savior. He will be
deeply missed. End quote. Sounds like

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a good guy. He was a
very good guy. It's so sad that

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he's gone. Yeah, it's all
interesting stuff. With the laser tag arena

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in the garage, that that one
intrigues me. I loved to have seen

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that. Do you feel like maybe
you I should step it? Up the

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people. You should step it up. Yeah, I mean, our kids

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are pro. I don't think we
could all still enjoy a laser arena in

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our garage. Shana was born in
nineteen eighty seven to parents Shelley and Sterling

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guard Wardner in Riverton, Utah.
Shelley and her sister founded the successful international

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papercraft company Stampin' Up in the nineteen
eighties. Once valued at one hundred million

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dollars, stampin' Up makes craft products
including paper, stamps, markers, and

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other supplies for cardmaking and scrapbooking.
There is a multi level marketing component to

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the company. In twenty sixteen,
the Gardeners appointed their daughter Sarah as CEO.

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Super Successful It sounds like it,
yeah, so they The Gardeners were

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quite wealthy. Shana was introduced to
Jared Bride again in two thousand and nine

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by his sister in law, who
was married to Jared's brother Adam. Jared

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flew to Utah to meet Shana.
She claimed that they did not hit it

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off immediately, but Jared aggressively pursued
her funny story. I found both like

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the account that said the exact opposite, too. M She thought Jared was

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impressed with her parents' money and the
lifestyle they would be able to leave with

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their support. Shana was largely supported
by her parents, who gave her a

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stipend of eight thousand dollars a month. In twenty ten, after two months,

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Shana and Jared were married at the
Salt Lake City Temple. Soon the

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twins, Abbey and Liam were born. Liam was born with a heart defect.

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The young family moved to Connecticut to
be closer to Liam's cardiac specialist in

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New York. Liam's doctor suggested to
reduce the strain on his heart, he

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should live at sea level. They
moved again to Jacksonville Beach, Florida.

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Jared's family lived there and was able
to help with the children. In twenty

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fourteen, Shana and Jared began having
difficulties in their marriage. Liam's illness in

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part, put a strain on the
marriage. Friends and families saw changes in

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Shana. In twenty fourteen, she
left the Mormon church, cut her hair,

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became obsessed with working out, and
got several tattoos and piercings. Her

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transformation was abrupt. In Shocking said
that almost overnight she had like a sleeve

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of tattoos. I can see why
that would be shocking for she was,

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you know, just doing the very
conservative church, like the LDS Church.

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I did look this up that piercings
in tattoos used to kind of be like

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you could not get them. But
I think it's changed a little bit where

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it's not like they're encouraged, but
they're not forbidden. Okay. While Shana

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focused on herself and her working out, Jared focused on starting his career and

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the twins. He had gained weight
and Shana chastised him for it. For

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Christmas, Jared purchased some sessions for
Shana with a personal trainer. Shana and

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the personal trainer began an affair.
Shana denied the affair, but Jared found

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provocative emails between her and the trainer. Jared was willing to forgive Shana and

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work on their marriage to save the
family, but Shana filed for divorce in

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February of twenty fifteen. She told
Jared that she didn't love him anymore.

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The divorce quickly became contentious. Shana
and Jared both wanted full custody of the

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twins and possession of their family home. The divorce brought out the worst in

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both of them. The divorce proceedings
involved over three hundred filings and motions,

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resulting in a file exceeding eight hundred
pages. Shana filed most of the motions,

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many were ruled groundless and thrown out. Shana and Jared weren't able to

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communicate at all in person. They
communicated through court filings. The divorce was

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financially draining, especially for Jared.
Shana's parents had deep pockets and they were

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able to help her. They fought
over the family home, custody, and

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finances, as well as where the
kids would go to school. Jared wanted

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alimony and child support, but Shana
claimed she couldn't make ends meet. She

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requested alimony and child support from Jared, although her parents likely supported her.

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Shana claims that Jared drained their joint
bank accounts and refused to move out of

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their family home. She accused Jared
of disturb and abusive behavior and regularly interrogating,

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recording, and actively coaching the children
as to what to say against her

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in court. She was allegedly working
three jobs. Jared had a hard time

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finding a job in Florida, and
for a span of time he moved to

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Utah for a job, and traveled
back to Florida on weekends to see his

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children. Doesn't this all sound so
exactly? It sounds like a nightmare and

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yet completely exhausting, the hard on
everyone. Yeah, not good for the

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kids, not good for anybody.
Their divorce was drawn out for five long

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years. For much of that time, Shana and Jared still lived together.

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Jared accused Shana of hiding baby monitors
and voice activated recording devices around the house

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to spy on him when she wasn't
there. He claimed that she put a

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tracking device on his car. Shana
installed a lock on the door to the

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primary bedroom. Jared also accused Shana
of hiding money. Shana accused Jared of

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being aggressive and abusive toward the twins. I have to say these are ground

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A lot of these claims against Jared
are completely grounded. Yes. She also

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accused him of withdrawing money from the
children's trust funds and turning the children against

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her. However, eventually Shana and
Jared did come to an agreement and they

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shared custody of the children fifty to
fifty. Unfortunately, that did not stop

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the lawsuits. In twenty twenty one, Shana was again infuriated when Jared wouldn't

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allow her to borrow a breathing machine
for Liam for a vacation when on an

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airplane, and only when he's on
an airplane, Liam requires a breathing machine

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to reduce the strain on his heart. Shana owned a machine, but she

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claimed it was broken and wanted to
borrow the newer machine that Jared had to

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buy when Shana wouldn't allow him to
borrow the one that she had at her

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house. So she went before a
judge accusing Jared of withholding medical equipment,

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and the judge ruled in her favor
and Jared was forced to relinquish the machine

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for the trip. So this is
just to point out that there's just a

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lot of these, you know,
relatively small details that most divorced parents would

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probably be able to work out.
Just everything became a huge fight with them.

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Yeah, it's really unfortunate for the
kids. Jared began dating when the

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divorce was being finalized. He had
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that divorce to be violent. Oh
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divorce was finalized, but the custody
arrangements, that's what took that's what took

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so long. Jared began dating when
the divorce was being finalized. He had

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difficulty finding anyone he wanted to date
seriously until he met Kirsten Votch in early

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twenty seventeen. Kirsten lived in Charlotte, North Carolina, and worked for Microsoft.

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Jared drove six hours to Charlotte for
their first date. Hey, that's

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kind of like, yeah, five
howers. It wasn't really their first day,

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but yeah. They quickly fell in
love and decided to build a life

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together. Kirsten said she was attracted
to Jared because of quote the kindness in

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his eyes and smile. She said
she found her best friend in Jay.

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Kirsten relocated to Florida and continued to
work for Microsoft remotely. Kirsten Jared were

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married in October twenty seventeen, just
months after meeting. Kirsten loved being a

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stepmom to Avi and Liam. In
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first child, a daughter they named
Bexley, and two years later, their

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second daughter, London, was born. Kirsten quit her job after London was

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born and became a stay at home
mom. Kirstin and Jared were very happy

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together. In twenty eighteen, Shana
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where Mario worked as a maintenance man. He also managed some rental properties.

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Shana later claimed they didn't know each
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she felt pushed into it after Jared
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with the children and have sleepovers with
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She said the marriage was one of
convenience and her parents supported the union and

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they might have pressured her into it
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the reasons they got married was to
high Shana's money from Jared. Mario was

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put in charge of Shana's trust.
There was at least one report of Mario

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being aggressive with one of the children. Despite being remarried, Shana and Jared

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continued to fight over the children.
Reportedly, whenever Shana was upset about a

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dispute with Jared, Mario also became
angry and wanted to take care of it.

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Take care of it? What does
that mean? I think you know

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what that means, because you watched
The Sopranos. Allegedly, they planned Jared's

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murder for years. I think he's
probably one of those things that they just

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sat in bed at night, you
know, like daydreaming, like how we

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going to get rid of him?
Yeah? Yeah. But as we said,

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Jared was a devoted family man who
enjoyed spending time with his wife and

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children. He loved to stay active
with his kids. Kirsten told Dayline that

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Jared went above and beyond to be
fun and make memories with the kids,

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including family bike rides, turning all
we already talked about this, but turning

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the garage into a laser tag arena
with a smoke machine and led lights.

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Jared was also very devoted to his
Mormon religion and was a Sunday school teacher

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after his murder, when police arrived
at the scene, they quickly evaluated the

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situation and realized that Jared's death was
not a robbery. His phone and wallet

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were not stolen, It was not
a random act. It was a targeted

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murder. Kirsten lived in constant fear
of the killer returning to her home,

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and Bexley had been a staunch daddy's
girl and was struggling to process what had

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happened to her father. Can't even
imagine she understood that he'd been hurt,

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but couldn't comprehend that he was never
returning. Here's Kirsten talking to doctor Phil

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about the impact of Jared's death on
Bexley and her family. I know how

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to describe it. For the first
few months, it almost seemed like it

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wasn't real, you know, I
would still expect to see him pull in

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a driveway and walk through the door. And then the moments where it was

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thinking and were excruciating. I had
nights where I would just scream. My

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parents would stay here and thankfully help
us through that, but it's been really

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tough, and on top of losing
him, you know, not having answers,

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not being able to answer our daughter
when she asks why Daddy isn't coming

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back, why her siblings aren't here. It's just been an excruciating year.

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So she really clearly recalls the sounds
of the gunshots. She will talk about

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them as the boom and she'll repeat
three boom, boom, boom, and

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then she'll say Daddy on the ground. So from her car seat, I

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don't believe she would have seen him
get shot. She heard it. But

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then I believe when she was pulled
from the vehicle. She possibly saw him

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on the ground outside of the car, and that's why she says, daddy

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on the ground. For the first
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her just freeze in her spot and
you can just see the panic on her

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face, and then she would just
kind of look like, help me,

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sounds of sirens she'd not like.
Thankfully, she's getting past that, and

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yeah, she would still to this
day comes into my room and then I

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love some nights just crying what she
didn't do before. So it's still haunting

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her. She's still working through it. But thankfully the panic attacks with loud

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noises seemed to be getting less and
less as time goes on. That's so

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sad. Is this really really sad? She loved her daddy so much and

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from you know, going to a
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I know that Kirsten has a lot
of support from family and friends,

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but he devastating loss. Yeah,
but just being there also and seeing,

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you know, whatever she did see
and hearing what she heard, it's just,

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yeah, so sad. About a
week after Jared's murder, a shadowy

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figure was captured on the right against
surveillance cameras, causing cursed and even more

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anxiety and sleepless nights. She said, this has never happened before, and

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all of a sudden, there's a
shadowy figure and she got an alert,

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I think on her Apple Watch and
she was, you know, of course

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panicked. Yeah, suspicion fell on
Shana due to her constant disagreements and demands

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of Jared. They looked at all
the possible suspects in their life, and

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you can imagine they were like,
yeah, I think that's probably where we

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need to look. Shanah was the
only one who had a motive. She

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was questioned on multiple occasions by police, but there was no direct evidence linking

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her to the murder. And she
really wasn't a suspect initially. But I'm

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sure everyone, like you know,
the family and friends were like, yeah,

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we know, we know what happened
here. Jared had just dropped off

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Abby and lea minutes before he was
killed. Shana had been home with the

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twins at the time of the murder. When asked what she thought could have

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happened to Jared, she said it
could have been a drug deal gone wrong,

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or maybe a gang initiation of course, which that happens people, that's

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often the excuse, right. Yeah. The investigation into Jared's death moved slowly,

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but authorities assured the Bridegigans they were
working on the case daily and quietly

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making progress. Frustratingly, there weren't
many leads. Investigators were tight lipped,

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and event remained sealed in the cave. Months went by with no clear suspect.

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Police asked residents to search their surveillance
camera footage for an older model,

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dark blue Ford F one fifty with
a silver toolbox. The truck was one

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of the only vehicle spotted on surveillance
footage on the night of Jared's murder.

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The driver was considered a person of
interest, but not necessarily a suspect.

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But they didn't they didn't have the
license, Like, they didn't know who

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was driving the truck. What did
police do before? Peoples are ringing cameras,

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right, like every case recover that's
you know, like two thousand and

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beyond is like surveillance cam sat around
waiting for the phone during many people wondered

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who would want this beloved husband and
father Dad Kirsten and Adam bright Agan,

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Jared's brother, made many media appearances
to keep Jared's case fresh in people's mind

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and to keep pressure on the police. Adam said publicly that Jared had actually

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feared for his life. He knew
that he was possibly in danger. The

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Bridigan family raised over fifty thousand dollars
to offer as a reward for any information.

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They were desperate to find who had
murdered their beloved Jared. We'll be

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back after a break. In January
twenty twenty three, the first arrest was

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made in the case. Henry Arthur
Tennan, sixty one, was arrested for

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Jared's murder. He was a petty
criminal with nine minor arrests in and around

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Jacksonville, Florida. He did a
one year stint in jail in the early

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two thousands for habitual traffic offenses.
He was stopped for speeding when officers realized

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he was wanted for questioning in Jared's
murder. A shotgun in bad repair was

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found in the trunk of his car. He was arrested for driving with a

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revoked license and possessing a firearm as
a felon. When he arrived at the

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station, he was interviewed by detectives. Henry knew he was in trouble.

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After he was shown some damning evidence
against him, he said, there ain't

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nothing else I can give you,
and I think I need an attorney unquote.

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The interview ended, we don't know
what the evidence is. I saw

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a tape of his interrogation and it's
black. There's a black box over the

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evidence. Okay, here's Henry talking
to a friend from jail. It ain't

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looking good. What do you mean. I wish she's like, you're getting

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released or something. So far hopefully
realized that it's not you. He didn't

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sell that very well. Upon Henry's
arrest, his daughter said she was shocked

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and said that she didn't think he
was capable of murder and believed he was

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being set up. The Bridigan family
had never heard of him and were confused

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as to why he would kill Jared, but law enforcement made it clear that

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Tennon had not acted alone. He
was the little fish. Oh that's where

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they start art. He was charged
with second degree murder, conspiracy to commit

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murder, accessory after the fact to
a capital felony, and child abuse.

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He agreed to cooperate fully with the
prosecution and name all co conspirators to receive

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the lesser charge of second degree murder. The briding and family wasn't told of

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the connection Tenan had to Jared Tenin
was a tenant of a property owned by

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Mario Fernandez Saldana, Shana's second husband. He drove a blue Ford F one

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fifty. Remember that was the vehicle
we were supposed to be looking out for.

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Yep. Because of the plea agreement
Tenin made, all charges were dropped

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except the one charge of second degree
murder with a weapon. He is facing

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fifteen years to life in prison.
He named Mario as a co conspirator,

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leading to his arrest. On March
sixteenth, twenty twenty three. Mario,

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thirty four, was charged with first
degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder,

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solicitation to commit capital felony, and
child abuse. So the child abuse charge

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is because little Bexley was in the
car. Yeah, I figured that,

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and it makes me happy that they
that they charged them with that too,

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because I think it's an important part
of the crime. He pleaded not guilty

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and he was held without bail.
The state announced that it planned to seek

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the death penalty against Mario. Finally, thirteen months after his death, Kirsten

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and Jared's family knew who was behind
Jared's murder, but there was another arrest

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to come. I wonder who.
Well you're reading this, I know you

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know. Shana Gardner was arrested on
August twenty third, twenty twenty three,

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at her new home in West Richland, Washington. She had said that she

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was going to stay in Florida.
No one was going to make her leave

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her home. But then but then
she did changed her mind. She was

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charged with first degree murder, conspiracy
to commit murder, solicitation to commit a

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capital felony, and child abuse,
the same charge as Mario faced. The

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indictment states that Shana and Mario plotted
to kill Jared Bright again and hired Henry

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Tennant to carry out the murder.
There is evidence to support that Shana considered

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having Jared killed as early as twenty
fifteen. Here's Kirsten, Jared's widow,

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talking about how Shana's arrest felt to
her. It has been such a relief.

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I feel like a heavy weight has
been lifted off my shoulders with this

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last arrest. I know there's a
lot still to come, but right now

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we're feeling good and we're feeling positive. I don't even know how to put

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it into wars. The feeling that
we have, you know, there's a

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sense of happiness that finally this is
happening, something that we have felt would

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be coming, but also sadness for
Liam and Abbey and what that means for

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them. So very complicated emotions,
but overall we are feeling good and we

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are looking forward to justice being served. I wanted them held accountable, and

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I wanted my kids to know they
are all the streets, they are not

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going to harm our family anymore.
And so it's a very good feeling to

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know that there have been for you
arrest in this case. They can't tell

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us the evidence, so you know, we just have to have faith that

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it's by the book. They have
enough evidence is a strong case, and

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we're holding to that hope and that
belief and hopefully that will play out that

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way in court. For me,
it's important to be there to show not

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only Jared that we're fighting for him, but to show the community like we're

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still here, thank you for the
support, We're still fighting, and to

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show those involved in his murder we're
not going anywhere. No matter how tough

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it we'll get, we will be
here, we will be looking you in

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your face, and we will be
hoping for justice. Kirsten also said,

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quote from very very early on,
everything in my body and soul told me

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she was behind it, unquote.
Shana's parents released a statement upon her arrest

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quote words cannot accurately express the depth
of our sadness. Family is our top

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priority. We love our daughter and
are focused on supporting her and our entire

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family as we help our grandchildren navigate
this difficult and very confusing time. For

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their sake and all involved, we
caution against further speculation and request privacy as

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the legal process runs its course.
I think Gabby and Liam are about eleven

405
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.359
or twelve right now, and it
must be so hard for them. Like

406
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.119
their dad, who they was a
great dad. It is dad, their

407
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.680
mom, who, despite her faults, they love very much. She's in

408
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:36.000
jail. We'll talk about this more
later. But Kirsten, who you know,

409
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.400
was also in their life for many
years and they love. She's no

410
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:44.160
longer in their life. Oh so
a lot of sadness. Yeah, kids,

411
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.519
really, really tough. The state
also planned to seek the death penalty

412
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.400
for Shana. Her attorneys fought Shanea's
extradition to Florida in an attempt to avoid

413
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.519
the death penalty, but she is
now in Florida awaiting trial. Kirsten supports

414
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:03.920
the state's decision to pursue the harshest
penalty against Shana and Mario. So investigating

415
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.400
the crime scene, several gun shell
casings were found. According to the arrest

416
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:14.839
affidavit, projectiles had struck the interior
of the vehicle within feet of Bexley.

417
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.240
Can you met Kirsten must have just
been so freaked out by Yeah. The

418
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:25.599
investigation into Jared's murder found three checks
written from Mario to Henry Tennen, which

419
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.640
I'm really surprised that they wrote checks
because no one writes. We don't even

420
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.240
write checks anymore, and we're really
old. I mean, just you know,

421
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.240
that's the kind of thing you would
normally do a cash transaction for,

422
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:42.720
I would expect in your vast experience. Yes, the two also exchanged nearly

423
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:48.240
one hundred text messages in the months
before Jared's murder. There were no text

424
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.720
messages between Shana and Henry, So
are you seeing the patterns? So Mario

425
00:31:52.759 --> 00:32:00.960
wrote the checks. Mario text messaged
Henry in twenty fifteen, when Shana became

426
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.400
a regular at the tattoo parlor.
She became good friends with the artist.

427
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.839
She confided in him about her crumbling
marriage and lingering divorce. She asked him

428
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:14.359
if he knew anyone who could help
her shut up her ex husband. The

429
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.079
personal trainer, whom Shana had denied
having an affair with, came forward and

430
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.839
admitted that they had been having an
affair while Shana was married to Jared.

431
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.480
As suspicion fell on Shana, the
media followed her closely. She was uncomfortable

432
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.799
being in the spotlight. She claimed
to the Florida Times Union in June twenty

433
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.240
twenty two that Kirsten had asked her
not to speak publicly, and she respected

434
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.640
that until she felt she could no
longer stay quiet. She said, quote,

435
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:44.559
I feel for Jared's family and what
they are going through. I can't

436
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.079
even imagine. I have tried to
be respectful. I have tried to give

437
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:52.119
them space. It is becoming necessary
to respond. I didn't want to make

438
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.200
a spectacle. I want people to
know where I'm coming from. You learn

439
00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:00.000
who your friends are. I am
fortunate enough to live in an amazing community

440
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.839
and have an amazing family. The
kids know they're loved. I would never

441
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.559
want anybody to go through this.
It's terrible to witness. End quote.

442
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.400
Excuse my eye roll. She said
she was focusing on her kids and helping

443
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.759
them navigate the loss of their father, along with a therapist who Abby and

444
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.640
Liam had been seeing since their parents'
divorce. Here's Shana talking to a reporter

445
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:25.920
from CBS News forty seven Action News
Jacks. I was asked to not talk

446
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.480
to the medier give a public statement, but with the level of speculation,

447
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:37.359
I felt that now it was necessary
to speak out. I'm sure you would

448
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:43.559
say that we've had happy moments.
I mean, we share two most beautiful

449
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.880
children in the world. Anytime divorce
comes into any situation, it's messy.

450
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.240
It just is, I will say, but I think that we both love

451
00:33:53.440 --> 00:34:00.640
our kids. It was actually one
of the one of the things. Sorry.

452
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:07.000
I remember my son talking man and
him saying that it was a good

453
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:15.920
date night. I was shocked.
I felled to the floor because I was

454
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:21.039
devastated for what I was going to
have to tell my kids. Even though

455
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.960
we didn't always get along, he
was still the father of my kids.

456
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.239
Do you have any idea who might
have done this? I do not have

457
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.840
any idea. As I said,
we've been divorced. We don't run in

458
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:38.639
the same social circles. I all
I know is that I would never want

459
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.920
anybody to go through this. She
told me if she could speak to Jared

460
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.599
again, she'd say one thing,
honestly, that I wish it weren't like

461
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:54.440
this. I wish things could have
been to be different. I think she

462
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.639
comes across as very sincere, and
I hate to say that, I agree

463
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.719
does sound very sincere. Some people
are just really good at manipulating people.

464
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.199
Yeah, Shana moved to Washington State
with the twins for a fresh start,

465
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.280
and Mario did not go with them. I'm not sure if they're a divorced

466
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:16.039
or not, but I'm well,
they're both in jail. I don't think

467
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:22.599
that they are together. Jose Bya
is best known for defending the Indefensible Casey

468
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:30.239
Anthony is Shana Gardner's lawyer. Bias
also defended Aaron Hernandez and Harvey Weinstein.

469
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:36.800
Boy. His retainer is two hundred
thousand dollars a month. Wow, Mom

470
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:42.199
and dad are footing the bill.
Oh, and it's so maddening when wealthy

471
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:46.960
people can hire the best attorneys and
those good attorneys can get you off sometimes.

472
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.920
John Bickerstaff fifty six, a disgraced
former reserve officer with the Jacksonville Sheriff's

473
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:59.599
Department, is one of two unnamed
co conspirators in Jared's murder. According to

474
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:04.400
The Deal Mail, which some people
call the Daily Failed But I think that

475
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.039
they are true crime reporting is actually
usually do a pretty good job. They

476
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.320
do a shockingly good job. You
know, they're based in the UK,

477
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:14.960
but whenever there's like breaking news in
the true crime world, they're always the

478
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.119
first people who have the information.
They're kind of sensationalistic, but I've not

479
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:24.159
seen any inaccuracies. Yeah, so
they are saying the two unnamed co conspirators,

480
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.679
they're naming one of them. It's
believed that John's ten millimeter gun may

481
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.039
have been the weapon that killed Jared. Bigger Staff was not able to produce

482
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.519
the weapon when the police asked for
it. Bigger Staff served time for sex

483
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:43.679
trafficking and drug crimes. He was
accused of running a prostitution ring and tipping

484
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:49.599
drug dealers off about police activity.
He is an acquaintance of Mario Fernandez Saldano.

485
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.719
Mario dated his daughter in high school. Bigger Staff is known as a

486
00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.280
swinger, as is Mario. Intimate
pictures of Mario and Bigger Staff's wife were

487
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.000
found on his computer. Shana Gardner
was not known to participate in the swinger

488
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:10.559
lifestyle. In court documents filed by
investigators in early twenty twenty three, police

489
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:19.400
requested to extend wiretap access to intercept
calls made by five alleged co conspirators Shanna,

490
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:23.599
Mario, Henry Tennan, likely John
Bigger's staff, and one more individual

491
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.639
that we don't know. Wow,
it is a lot of people. It's

492
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.519
a lot of people, Yeah,
to get poor Jared. On May sixteenth,

493
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.719
twenty twenty four, there was a
seven hour bond hearing for Shana Gardner.

494
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.800
Her attorneys fought for her to be
free on bond while she awaits trial.

495
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.159
State argued that while Shana didn't pull
the trigger, she was behind Jared's

496
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.159
death. Several new details emerged from
the hearing, including that Mario wrote a

497
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.960
check to Henry Tennan for five thousand
dollars dated on April fourth, twenty twenty

498
00:37:54.000 --> 00:38:00.960
two, and on the memo line
he wrote kickstarter and good luck exclamation point.

499
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.800
Oh that'll throw him off. I
mean, that's just according to the

500
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.159
Jacksonville Beach Police Department. Henry Tennant
had agreed to kill Jared for one hundred

501
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:13.639
and fifty thousand dollars. They planned
to make several smaller deposits into his account

502
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:17.960
to avoid suspicion into a pallet business
that Henry owned. Originally, the plan

503
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:23.280
was to kidnap Jared and kill him
at a secondary location. Detective Chris John's

504
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:29.320
testified that Mario told Henry quote,
this needs to happen this week. He

505
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.480
said that if Henry didn't complete the
job, his marriage would be over.

506
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.679
It was a brutal day for Kirsten
Bright again. The day of the hearing,

507
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:42.480
the courtroom was filled with family and
friends supporting her. Shano only had

508
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.280
a handful of supporters there, including
her parents and sister. A detective testified

509
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:51.679
that little Bexley said she heard a
boom boom and that her daddy was sick

510
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.639
after the shooting and he needed a
doctor. A bishop of the Church of

511
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.920
Latter day Saints testified that Shano was
still an active of her ward Or parish

512
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:07.320
despite reports of her being an apostate
of Mormonism. I just learned that word

513
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.840
today. Yeah, I kind of
proud yeah, apostate. Probably know you're

514
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.639
just someone who left the church exactly, Yes, kind of funny side note.

515
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.800
Alexa helps me a lot when I'm
doing the podcast. Sometimes, like

516
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.360
today, I asked her what's the
name for an ex member of a church?

517
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.079
And sometimes I ask her like Alex, I wish the distance between Detroit

518
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.679
and Chicago and help. I never
credit very helpful. I am a little

519
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.440
shocked that you have referred to Alexa
two times as a her. You're very

520
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.079
yes, you did. I know. I do get irritated with anyone at

521
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.920
a house calls Alexa her, and
it's an It just not it's genderless.

522
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.559
A woman named Kim Jensen was called
as a witness during the bond hearing.

523
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:51.440
She's Shane's best friend. In a
text message dating back to twenty fifteen,

524
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:57.000
Shana and Kim joked about murdering Jared. Shana had texted Kim, quote,

525
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.000
I'm not even joking. I want
him gone. Their text message, she

526
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:05.719
said, quote I would love to
see him get a lethal injection. Shana

527
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.559
says in another text, quote is
it too late to hire a hitman?

528
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:15.679
I'm serious, Kim replied, quote, Sue's husband knows people. I don't

529
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.880
know who Sue is, but and
Kim did contact Sue's husband and asked him

530
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:28.159
about quote a magician who could perform
a disappearing again and yet another message.

531
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.360
Shana said, it gives me such
great pleasure imagining slitting his throat. I'm

532
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.320
not even joking. I want him
gone so gross. Shana told Kim that

533
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:44.079
Mario had been stalking Jared. Mario
followed Jared to learn his habits with the

534
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:50.079
intent of killing him. Shana referred
to these as missed opportunities. Shana also

535
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.440
said that Mario was close enough to
touch Jared on several occasions without his knowledge.

536
00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.960
It's not just as shocking to me
that they wanted this nice man dead

537
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:06.440
so badly. Shane and Kim also
used code words and their texts like funeral

538
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.159
potatoes to refer to Jared's murderer.
You know what funeral potatoes are. I

539
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:15.000
think it's a largely Mormon thing.
Whenever you go. It's not just funerals,

540
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.000
but if you go to an event, we would call them cheesy hash

541
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:21.400
browns. Probably okay, but those
are funeral potatoes, and I think they

542
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.440
just, you know, we're referring
to his death. Yeah, they also

543
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.880
refer to Jared by the name stupid
in their texts. They didn't say Jared.

544
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.199
They would be like, oh,
stupid did this or stupid did that?

545
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.480
So so clever they are. Yeah. The judge's decision is pending as

546
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.239
to whether or not to grant Shane's
bond. How do you do you think

547
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:43.320
shanea should be No, absolutely not, especially because their parents have money,

548
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.519
They have tons of money. She
could easily leave the country. And absolutely.

549
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.920
The next hearing in the case is
scheduled for May twenty fourth. Oh

550
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.679
Another impediment to the trial moving forward
is an issue with text messages found on

551
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:01.519
Shana's iCloud. Her legal team alleges
Atorney client privilege was violated as some of

552
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:07.800
the messages were from her attorneys.
Her defense asked for the local state attorney's

553
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.599
office to be disqualified from the case
or for all materials obtained from shane'sycloud account

554
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.239
to be withheld from use during the
trial. He claimed this violates her sixth

555
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.599
Amendment right the right to affair and
speedy trial. Prosecutors argue the messages were

556
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.400
never reviewed by them, and once
the materials were recognized as sensitive, the

557
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.679
information was forwarded to a taint team
for filtering. Never heard of a taint

558
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:35.760
team before. He hadn't really either. I think it's just an objective third

559
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.119
party that filters through the evidence.
Okay, we should note that there are

560
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:45.320
seven terabytes of evidence in the Bridigan
case. That's over one billion pages.

561
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.199
Wow. I mean when we say, you know, seven terabytes and it

562
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.000
would be it would be equal to
a billion pages. Some of that may

563
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:57.000
be video, video and pictures and
whatnot, So still it's aspect of a

564
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.039
lot of data. And that's why
you know, Shana's legal team is like,

565
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.800
well, there's stuff in there that
you know is attorney client privilege.

566
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.320
They're just trying to delay things and
they I mean for them to throw out

567
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.440
all of her text messages, that
would be a huge win for them.

568
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.400
Well yeah, Jared's family is suing
to gain visitation rights to Abby and Liam.

569
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.840
They live in Utah with Shana's parents. Shelley Gardner. Shana's mom had

570
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.559
a blog called So Shelley, where
she talked about the twins a lot.

571
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:30.320
She posted pictures of a memorial service
that the Gardner family held for Jared after

572
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:35.400
she claimed they had been disinvited from
Jared's funeral. Kirsten wanted the twins at

573
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:37.639
the funeral, but not Shana.
She offered to come pick them up for

574
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.800
the funeral, but Shana said she
would only allow them to go to the

575
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.840
funeral if she could be with them. Shelley's blog has since been taken down,

576
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.400
probably under the advisement of their attorney. I think there were other controversial

577
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.679
topics that she had written about.
I think she was, you know,

578
00:43:55.719 --> 00:44:01.119
obviously very pro Shana and might have
sent some not so nice things about the

579
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.440
Bridigan family. Yeah, since Jared's
death, Abby and Liam have not seen

580
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.960
Kirsten, Bexley, London, or
any of their extended family. Kirsten has

581
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.079
been in the twins life since they
were four years old and loves them dearly.

582
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.719
She and the Bridigan family continue to
fight for visitation rights. Shanea's parents

583
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.320
have custody of Abby and Liam.
They live in Utah. Again, this

584
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:27.719
is another horrible case where the children
have been through a tragic event and aren't

585
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:31.480
able to see their family, and
the family that has custody. You know,

586
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.760
they probably don't say a lot of
amazing things about their father, and

587
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.960
that's Yeah, it's so sad for
the kids. One good thing that has

588
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:45.760
come from this is Bexley Boxes.
After two year old Bexley Bridegan was rescued

589
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.719
from the scene of her father's death, she was taken to the police station

590
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.440
to wait for her mother while the
officers tried to comfort and entertain Bexley.

591
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:59.360
The police station lacked the resources to
care for a toddler properly. In the

592
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.360
months after Jared's murder, while she
was anxiously awaiting justice to be served,

593
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:07.679
Kirsten Brdigan had an idea to help
other families who struggled after suffering from similar

594
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:15.679
traumatic situations. She launched the Brdigan
Foundation and Bexley's Boxes. Bexley's Boxes are

595
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.159
filled with diapers, zippy cups,
snacks, toys, and comfort items for

596
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:23.159
toddlers and small children. The first
Bexley Box was delivered to the Jacksonville Police

597
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:29.440
Department in October of twenty twenty two. Since then, over thirty of these

598
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:34.199
boxes. They're kind of like these
big chests filled with all of these goodies

599
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.559
for kids. They've been delivered to
several states including Florida, Utah, Texas,

600
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:43.599
Washington, Kansas, and North Carolina. It's just so admirable when somebody

601
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.840
who is a victim like Kirsten,
finds it in her heart to do something

602
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:53.079
productive like that instead of just you
know, grieving and locking herself. She

603
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.320
did it so quickly, like she
did it like super fast, like you

604
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.960
know, she was before anyone who
was arrested. And I think it shows

605
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:05.159
her goodness and her heart. Yeah, it's amazing. And this month,

606
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:09.519
our charitable contribution will go to the
Bride Again Foundation to help support their mission

607
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.760
of supporting families who are going through
traumatic events. If you would like to

608
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:20.360
donate as well, go to Brideiginfoundation
dot org slash donate. There's also a

609
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:24.159
go fundme campaign to assist the bride
Agains with their legal fees to pursue court

610
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:30.440
mandated unsupervised visitation with Abby and Liam. Jared bride Agan was an excellent father

611
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:36.239
to Abby, Liam, Bexley and
London, and a loving husband to Kirsten.

612
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:40.239
He was creative, funny, kind
and generous. He deserved to see

613
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:44.920
his children grow up and to grow
old with his wife. Rest in peace,

614
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.920
Jared. So, what kind of
garbage person arranges to kill a father

615
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.199
in front of their two year old
child. I don't Yeah, maybe I

616
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:58.480
know. I can't even imagine,
like it's it's horrible to kill your ex

617
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.639
husband one way or another, but
yeah, in front of and it was

618
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:06.239
a well thought out plan. They
knew that Jared always brought Bexley with him

619
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.760
to these dinners. Yeah, it's
terrible, disgusting. Shana really hated sharing

620
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:15.119
custody of the kids with Jared.
I think she was kind of a spoiled,

621
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.440
over indulged person her whole life,
and she knew just sounds like her

622
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:22.360
parents kind of took care of a
lot of things for her. Yeah.

623
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.639
Most of the evidence in the trial
is still sealed, so we don't really

624
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.679
know what the evidence against Shana is
so far, but I think it looks

625
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:36.519
really bad for Mario. I'm hoping
there's enough evidence to convict Shana as well,

626
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.000
assuming that she is guilty. Well, it sounds yeah, I mean

627
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:44.480
it sounds like she is guilty,
just based on the text messages and everything

628
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.039
you've said so far, And yeah, I hope. So it sounds like

629
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:52.400
she was trying to distance herself from
Mario, like having him do the dirty

630
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.239
work, yeah, keep her hands
off of it, and then she moved

631
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:59.239
away and loved him there. Yeah, I've read a lot of things on

632
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.000
Reddit about this case, and I'm
going to share some of those things with

633
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:06.039
you. As always, I love
the redditor think you read. They do

634
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.559
a lot of great investigation. They
can dig kind of deeper than we can

635
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:13.320
because we have limited time, So
I'm just going to share with you some

636
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.639
of the things that I read there. The Gardner family allegedly regrets not paying

637
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:21.599
Jared off. They believe that he
would have left his children if they would

638
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.400
have paid him enough money. But
I think you know Jared well enough to

639
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:28.800
know that he would not have left
his kids for any amount of money.

640
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:35.440
Shane's mom, Shelley, allegedly met
Sterling Shane's dad when she was the babysitter

641
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:42.199
for Sterling and his first wife.
Oh so she was seventeen allegedly when they

642
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:47.360
met. The Gardeners might be using
a nonprofit as a tax shelter. In

643
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:53.280
this nonprofit, they have over three
million dollars and in twenty twenty two they

644
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:59.400
donated just two hundred thousand dollars of
that. Since twenty fifteen, they have

645
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:04.199
awarded very few grants, and initially
when they started the foundation, they were

646
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.440
much more generous, but now it
seems like the money is just kind of

647
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.519
sitting there. Interesting, very wealthy
family. I found their address and they

648
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:15.239
live in a four point five million
dollar house. Wow. Do you have

649
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.239
any feeling at all about this fifth
unnamed co conspired or who they could be.

650
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.079
I mean, I have no idea
who it could be. I'm just

651
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.800
shocked at how many people were involved
in this plot. I mean it really

652
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.480
and not even just the people directly
involved, but the other person that Shana

653
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.840
was texting and saying, you know, I want him dad, and she

654
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.639
was saying, I'll go talk to
my friend. And that's why I'm wondering

655
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:42.079
if that's Kim Jensen. Wondering if
it could be Kim Jensen. Some people

656
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.840
were like thinking it could be Sterling
her dad too. Oh interesting. The

657
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:52.079
Gardeners may have been more kind of
like the Charlie Adelson case, where there's

658
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.039
wealthy dentist family. You don't know
the case. I'm tied. I know

659
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.400
the name, but I can't remember. Our listeners will know. But go

660
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:04.320
listen to our good friend Primetime Crime. She has a summer series going and

661
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.360
she is analyzing that case and breaking
it down, doing a deep dive.

662
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:13.280
I think it's possible that Mario might
end up taking the fall because Shana has

663
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:17.119
these really good lawyers and guessing Mario
does not have really good lawyers. I

664
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.440
don't really know. It's possible that
the Gardner family is being rolling him too,

665
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:27.880
but I don't think so. And
he allegedly may have been driving Henry

666
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:31.400
Tenant's truck after Jared was shot on
them. I wonder, you know,

667
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:35.440
that made me think of something though. I wonder if they might bankroll his

668
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.239
defense because they don't want him turning
against Shana. I mean, if if

669
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:43.599
they really have a lot of evidence
against Mario and not as much against Shana,

670
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:45.800
I could see them trying to get
Mario to flip, you know,

671
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:50.639
to reduce the charges, take away
the death penalty. Maybe it could be.

672
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.400
Do you think Shana and Mario should
be eligible for the death penalty?

673
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:58.719
And that's a tough one for me
because I have my own personal feelings about

674
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.119
the death penalty, but putting out
aside, if you're going to have a

675
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:08.599
death penalty, I think that Mario
and Shana what they did was completely calculated,

676
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:15.239
completely premeditated, completely horrible. The
circumstances of killing him in front of

677
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.079
his daughter. So if you're going
to have a death penalty, then yes,

678
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.519
I think they should definitely be eligible. Has your opinion on the death

679
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:28.159
penalty changed since we've been doing this
podcast. Not really, although there are

680
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:35.239
definitely cases where I that that opinion
is challenged. I'm opposed to the death

681
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.199
penalty. I am too. I
am too, but I will admit that

682
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:43.320
I am a little more conflicted about
it than I was because we get to

683
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.800
know these families and we know the
impact on the families, and it is

684
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:52.519
really Yeah, I care about them, and I understand why some people,

685
00:51:53.639 --> 00:52:00.559
you know might want that same.
In this case, I think that there's

686
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:04.119
two two young people, Abby and
Liam, and I think for both of

687
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.480
their parents to be taken away from
them is just beyond devastating. It's a

688
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.559
good point. I just have a
hard time with that. I guess I

689
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:14.960
don't want them to suffer any more
than they already have, right, Yeah,

690
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.559
that's a very good point. Well, thank you again to our friend

691
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:20.880
Jarna for recommending this case. We
will stay on top of it and keep

692
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:30.920
you updated. Thanks Tarna. A
while ago, we committed to talking about

693
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:37.360
missing persons cases. People that are
currently missing and there's a search underway for

694
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:39.360
them. We've done not a great
job of keeping up with that. We're

695
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:43.239
going to try to do one a
month, but we do want to try

696
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.480
to get back into that, and
so you have a case today to talk

697
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:51.199
about. Sarah Gail ever Saw twenty
six, disappeared from Reddick, Florida,

698
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.079
in the early morning hours of March
through twenty twenty three. Reddick is a

699
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:59.800
small town of only six hundred.
It is sixty miles east of Daytona Beach

700
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:04.039
and ninety miles north of Orlando.
Sarah is the youngest of seven children.

701
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.480
She was primarily raised in Sarah Soda
by her aunt and uncle. Sarah's sister,

702
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:13.440
Michelle, told Dayline she is quote
a free spirit who thinks everything is

703
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:19.679
sunshine and rainbows. Sarah loves adventure
and exploring. Sarah worked as an exotic

704
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.920
dancer and needed a ride home on
the night of March third, Michelle said,

705
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.679
quote she had messaged me around seven
something asking if I was able to

706
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.800
give her a ride home from work. I told her I wasn't available.

707
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.000
I was sorry, and she said
that was okay. End quote. Sarah

708
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.320
sent another text message to Michelle at
seven fifty pm. She told Michelle to

709
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:43.639
tell her kids that she loved them. At ten eleven pm, Michelle received

710
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.199
a final text from her sister.
She said that she was getting into a

711
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:51.239
random truck with some cowboys and that
she'd hoped they took her on a ride.

712
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:53.719
Oh boy, oh, Michelle must
have been like, oh oh yeah.

713
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:58.440
Sarah was last seen at a circle
K gas station getting into a black

714
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:04.920
Silverado twenty five hundred HD pickup truck
with two unknown mails. The Circle K

715
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:09.000
is located at one seven nine eight
zero North Highway four four to one in

716
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:14.159
Reddick. The next day, Michelle
began to worry when she hadn't heard from

717
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.960
Sarah and her phones went straight to
voicemail. It was unlike Sarah not to

718
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.880
respond to messages. Sarah's roommate called
the police to file a missing person's report,

719
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:25.320
and they told her that they would
need to wait a week. A

720
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:30.679
week. That's that's not okay,
that's insane. That is insane. Michelle

721
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.480
took the investigation into her own hands. She was able to find the vehicle

722
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.599
and the two men who had last
been seen with Sarah. That's amazing to

723
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:42.920
work. They claimed that Sarah had
come back to their house to party with

724
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:47.039
them around midnight. They even posted
pictures on social media of Sarah waxing one

725
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.960
of the men's chest hair. Oh
that hurts hearing that Michelle was able to

726
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:58.400
access Sarah's iCloud account. She last
took a picture at one twenty two am.

727
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.960
Sarah's last activity on her phone was
at two forty am. Michelle does

728
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:07.599
not believe that she was under the
influence of any substances. She appeared to

729
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.199
be having a good time. Sarah
left the house in a blue Sedan,

730
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:16.039
possibly a Hyundai sometime between three and
five am. It's quite a span there.

731
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:21.280
Yeah. Sarah had a large amount
of money with her that she'd earned

732
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:24.000
that night at work. The man
who Sarah was hanging out with have been

733
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:30.800
interviewed by police. Michelle said that
someone attempted to access Sarah's snapchat on the

734
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:35.400
afternoon of March third, the day
of her disappearance. Someone also cleared her

735
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:40.559
timeline. Officer Zach Moore of the
Marion County Sheriff's Office said quote there has

736
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:45.840
been no evidence uncovered of foul play. However, the length of time that

737
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:50.760
Sarah has not been heard from elevates
the concern for her well being. If

738
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.480
the residents of that house are to
be believed Sarah left the house in a

739
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:58.800
newer model blue Sedan, possibly a
Hyundai, driven by a man who was

740
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:04.159
described as being a for uber and
who was Hispanic in his mid thirties,

741
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.239
approximately five foot eight inches tall,
with a thin build and long dark hair.

742
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:13.519
If Sarah didn't leave that residence alive, it means that something happened to

743
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.320
her while she was there, and
that the story of the Uber driver was

744
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:22.679
fabricated to send detectives down a rabbit
hole unquote. There is no record of

745
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:27.800
Sarah ordering an Uber. In December
twenty twenty three, the home that she

746
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.880
was at that night was searched.
Police named a person of interest, Tyrone

747
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:37.199
Moreman. They believe Sarah left the
house with him, but aren't sure how

748
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.639
he knew Sarah. He claims to
have been out of town that night,

749
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:45.239
but police say they have eye witnesses
that place him there. Police asked him

750
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.079
to hand over his phone, but
he claimed it broke and he threw it

751
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:52.119
away. He was served a search
warrant and then handed his phone over.

752
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:57.599
He was arrested on December twentieth,
twenty twenty three, for misleading law enforcement,

753
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:01.280
but he was released today. Later, police believed that Tyrone was with

754
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:06.880
Sarah at a convenience store in the
early morning hours of March third, and

755
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.719
that's based on his phone's GPS data. Just to be clear, Tyrone was

756
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:15.599
not arrested for anything in connection with
Sarah's disappearance. It was just for misleading

757
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:21.519
the police. Michelle, however,
does not believe Tyrone is involved in Sarah's

758
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:25.760
disappearance. She has a suspect in
mind. She refuses to back down to

759
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:30.599
the police department and is determined to
find out what happened to her sister.

760
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:36.559
Michelle told Dayline quote, I just
feel like Sarah's probably not alive wherever she

761
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:40.119
is. She's never gone even a
week without speaking to somebody and getting on

762
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.360
social media unquote. Sarah, now
twenty seven, is five foot two inches

763
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:50.320
tall, about one hundred and fifteen
pounds, with dirty blonde hair and blue

764
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.639
eyes. She was last seen wearing
a white tank top and a black skirt.

765
00:57:54.199 --> 00:58:00.159
She has a tattoo on her right
hip of Cocoa Pella of fertility deity.

766
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.639
Sarah has a daughter who just turned
six. This marks the second birthday

767
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.159
celebration without her mother by her side. If you have any information, about

768
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:15.199
Sarah's disappearance. Please call the Marion
County Sheriff's Office at three five two three

769
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:20.960
six eight three fiveh eight. Well, we are so sorry to Sarah's family

770
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:30.800
and we hope that she is found
safely soon. Yes, I have a

771
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.039
couple of items, pop culture items. You know, I'm a big fan

772
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:36.760
of pop culture. Yeah, to
talk about Well, this isn't even pop

773
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:38.800
culture. This is about domestic violence. But did you happen to see the

774
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:44.480
video of Sean Combe? Oh?
I did. It's very disturbing, horrific?

775
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:46.679
Yeah, what what a piece of
shit. I'm just going to say

776
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:51.079
it. He's just a horrible person. I've never liked the guy, but

777
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.880
like this is just and it's from
is it from twenty fifteen? Like it's

778
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.599
it's older, and I have to
think that he paid someone just you know,

779
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:02.559
to keep bit hidden. This grosses
me out when people use their money

780
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:06.840
and such. Oh yeah, and
ways like that. Just the fact that

781
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:08.599
he would do what he did when
he's in a you know, hallway where

782
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:12.599
he I'm sure he knew there were
cameras there or whatever, and just felt

783
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.559
like he didn't have to worry about
it. I apologized today. Okay,

784
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.639
then he said, you know,
he takes full accountability of it, so

785
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:23.280
right, you know, well,
and you know if someone's doing that in

786
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:28.880
front of cameras a hundred you know, one hundred times. Yeah, so

787
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:35.679
very sad, And I just think
it's really important to call out domestic violence

788
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:40.440
when you can, and when when
you know people are acting inappropriately and not

789
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:45.800
treating their spouse with dignating respect.
I think it's really becoming increasingly more important

790
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.119
for us to not just us,
but you know, as a society,

791
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.719
to call it out. On a
lighter note, though, did you hear

792
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:58.519
that Ben Affleck and shlo like they're
not wearing their wedding rings. I heard

793
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:01.280
the divorce is imminent. I know
they're public figures, but it makes me

794
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:07.280
sad. And yeah, they still
deserve boundaries and respect, and I can't

795
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.639
imagine what it be like heavy.
I'm such a private person. I don't

796
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:15.199
like to post pictures of myself as
people know of Yeah, I don't think

797
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.039
people have a right to know everything
that's going on in their marriage. I

798
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.199
know there's a video I just saw
the other day of it's I think it's

799
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:24.360
from a few years ago, but
you might have seen it, like Ben

800
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:29.559
Affleck is holding the door open for
her, and he closes the door,

801
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:30.920
and the way he closed the door, he's just like you can just tell

802
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:36.599
he's like a fight or whatever.
They closed the door like he's just done.

803
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.639
Then he walks around and he looks
up and he sees the person filming

804
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:43.320
him, and he just gets a
look at his face like, dude,

805
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.960
what the Like? I know,
you just feel like he should really go

806
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:52.400
live in the mountains where cameras can't
capture his every move because clearly he's not

807
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.039
the happiest fella. Yeah. I
don't know anything about this other than it's

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a movie that Jlo made. I
think it's some sort of auto biographical documentary

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or something. It's called The Greatest
Story Never Told, Wait, the Greatest

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Love Story Never Told. And I
think she spent like twenty million dollars of

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her own money making this, and
it's like a tribute to her and Ben's

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love. Oh so she might be
regretting that money right now. Maybe.

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I hope you work things out. I

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