Shanti Cooper-Tronnes and David Tronnes

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Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm
Rich. And if there's one thing we've

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learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's that some days you'll feel like

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killing your wife, and some days
you'll feel like killing your husband. Welcome

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to love, Mary Kill, Hey
Rich, Hey Tina. How are you

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pretty good? How are you excellent? It is a beautiful day here in

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southeast Michigan. It is really beautiful. That's not There was some tornadoes,

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but in southwest Michigan. Did you
hear about that? I did, yeah,

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and it looked really scary here.
We had a tornado watch and it

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looked really ominous for a while.
Yes, but we did not have a

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tornado. We did have a tornado
like twelve years ago or thirteen years ago.

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We did, and we got a
lot of new things at our house.

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I brought you a snack. Oh
good, So we had a delay.

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We were supposed to record like an
hour ago, but you had something

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you needed to do. And I
had the snack here on the table and

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someone, some four legged friend of
ours. When I brought you it was

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a smoothie and I came in a
few minute end of the smoothie was all

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over the floor like then tire it. Yeah, and it's pink and we

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have white carpets, so that was
a mess. Yeah, and I think

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he dumped it over to get to
the cheese. It doesn't even really eat

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cheese. Today's case was a recommendation
from our friend Ali from ann Arbor,

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and Ali, thank you for recommending
this case. But Allie also recommended a

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snack. Do you know what it
is? It's a sweet potato crackers.

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That's why I brought the cheese and
the smoothie, because I was like,

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well, I know he's not gonna
like the crackers, but there's sweet R.

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W. Garcia sweet potato crackers,
three seed, flax seeds, poppy

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seeds, chia seeds. They're gluten
free. It's a Delicio just blend of

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corn and sweet potato. Rich does
not like sweet potato. They don't really

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taste like sweet potato. Well I
will. I'll try them because it's the

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podcast and I feel obligated to try. All Right, Okay, you're going

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to be shocked to hear this,
but I actually like those crackers. Quick

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are really They're actually really good.
Oh I'm glad you like I didn't.

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I didn't taste sweet potato. Sweet
potato is not the first ingredient. The

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first ingredient is corn. I thought
they tasted like a less salty free doo.

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Yeah you see, that's the corn. But you like them? Yeah?

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I did, And I brought you
your favorite Tillamook white Cheddar. Love

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the Tillamok white Cheddar love the Yeah. Today, I'm going to tell you

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a story about a home renovation gone
very wrong. On April twenty fourth,

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twenty eighteen, eight year old Jackson
Cooper was waiting for his mom, Shanty

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Cooper Tries thirty nine, to pick
him up after school in Orlando, Florida.

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Shanty was never late. Jackson grew
concerned as his friends were picked up

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by their parents one by one.
He went to the school office to call

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his mom, but she didn't answer. At four p m. The school

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called Jackson's dad, Jim Cooper,
to pick him up. Jim was surprised

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that Shanty was late picking up their
son. She was a responsible, doting

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mom, a type a personality who
was never late for anything. Jim picked

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Jackson up and drove to the house
Shanty shared with her husband of one year,

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David Tranis, forty nine. The
couple resided in the upscale Delaney Park

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neighborhood of Orlando, Florida. The
historic neighborhood is known for its beautiful,

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unique, stately homes, manicured lawns, and sidewalks lined with majestic oak trees.

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Shanty and David were massively renovating their
home and had temporarily moved into the

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small apartment above the garage. As
Jim and Jackson neared the house, they

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were startled to see police cars and
emergency vehicles lining the street with lights flashing.

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Yellow police tape surrounded the house.
Jim asked a policeman what was going

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on, and he informed him that
there had been a death inside of the

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house minutes before. David found Shanty
dead in the bathtub of the apartment bathroom

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around three thirty pm, after he'd
returned from running errands and doing chores around

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their property. He said Shanty was
wearing her pajamas. She was partially submerged

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floating in the top. David claimed
he attempted CPR, but it was too

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late. She was already dead.
He called nine one one at three point

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fifty one pm. It was an
eight minute call, but we're only going

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to play a couple of minutes,
and as a warning, this is one

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of the most emotional nine one one
calls that I've heard tried. Can you

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tell me what this? Okay?
And who is this? This is Josh?

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Your name is Dan Okay, your
name is David? Okay, who

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is it's not breathing? Why your
wife is not breathing? Take a SIMN.

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It's a paramedic. So we've been
trying to get ourself help. Okay,

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don't hang up. Okay with the
medical we're also going Okay, that's

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that's an emergency. Is tabloized?
What's help from me from this? This

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is four o seven? It's the
house. Fine, exactly what happened?

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Okay? Try Okay, that happened
and she passed away? I got I

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listen, listen, listen. Is
she breathing? So I tried to do

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this the r I K I get
her to freeze? Okay, can you

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get her out of the shower?
Yeah? I fold her? Okay?

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Is she laying time on her back? The blue dumpster, the blue dumpster

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in the dogway. They have to
turn in, and they if they can

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get past, if they have to
dump past, and if they can't get

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past it they're tiny, they'll just
find yeah, yeah, yeah, but

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we're at the bag where before.
I'm so sorry to do that to everyone.

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I hated to even play that,
but I thought it was important that

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you guys hear that, and we
did edit it. You could tell that

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we edit it. But part of
the reason I wanted it include that last

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part of the call where his voice
just he's in histrionics and then he goes

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to like, oh, it's by
the blue humpster in the back of the

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Apartment's just bizarre to me that he's
like sobbing and then he is able to,

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you know, speak in a normal
voice. I thought it was interesting

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that David took the time to put
their dogs in their crates before the police

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got there. So you know,
in that situation you find your spouse and

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they're dead and you have to call
in one one would you take the time

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to do I would think that would
be the last thing you would think about,

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right, So that's in my thought, he must have done it before

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he called nine to one one because
he didn't want the dogs in the way.

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Emergency responders are arrived within three minutes
of the call, and David told

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police when they arrived that Shanty must
have slipped in the bathtub and hit her

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head, but Shanty's bruised and brutally
beaten body told a different story. First

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responders noticed that David appeared to pretend
to sob, the tears never reached his

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eyes. Police quickly scanned the crime
scene and knew that David was definitely lying.

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This is one of those frustrating cases
where I couldn't find a lot of

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background information about Shanty or David.
Really, but Shanty was born in nineteen

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eighty. She was smart and hard
working. She was a self made woman.

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She owned her own successful business,
Process Improvement Solutions, which sold financial

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accounting software. She and her first
husband, Jim, had tried to have

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a baby for several years before their
son, Jackson, was born in two

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thousand and nine. Her first priority
in life was Jackson. He was her

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whole world. But not long after
Jackson's birth, Shanty became unhappy in her

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marriage and she had an affair.
Jim wanted to stay together on things,

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but Shanty wanted to move on.
The divorce was difficult, and Tim admits

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he didn't make it easy on Shanty. David Tranis grew up in Stillwater,

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Minnesota. He was raised by his
mother. His father was not present in

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his life. He and his mother
had a close relationship. He continued to

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live in Minnesota after college. He
worked as an engineer for three M.

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He eventually left engineering to work in
sales at three M. David and his

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first wife, Carol, had been
married for fourteen years before divorcing in twenty

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thirteen. He earned about one hundred
and forty thousand dollars a year before he

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quit his job in two thousand and
eight citing burnout. Carol's friend said that

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David was controlling, especially of her
diet. Allegedly, she filed for divorce

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because she wanted children and David did
not. When being questioned by police about

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her marriage after Shanti's death, she
invoked spousal privilege through her lawyer. I

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didn't know you could do that.
I didn't either, because they're no longer

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married. I didn't want the personal
details of her marriage to become public.

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In my opinion, something seems a
little off about their relationship. She defended

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him. She said he would never
kill anyone, and they had this bank

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account together that was a joint bank
account. After their divorce, that had

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over three hundred thousand dollars in it. Shanty and David met on match dot

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Com in March twenty thirteen. Shanty
lived in Orlando, where she was a

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successful freelance financial analysist before she started
her own company. The romance between David

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and Shanty bloomed slowly over email.
Shanty had been through a difficult divorce and

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was nervous to date again, but
David was patient and kind. He seemed

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different. They were both excited about
the deep connection they'd quickly made over email

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and text. Here's what Shanty wrote
in one email, Dave, I will

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have to say this will be a
delicious detour, amazing, magnificent, life

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changing detour if the planet's aligned.
I feel lucky to have these emails.

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They are a very healthy distraction for
me. I guess we will have to

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see how this will all work out. I will keep it simple, like

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you said, or try to.
I will start to pull in the reins

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a bit. But I can't say
that I didn't wake up with a smile

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on my face when I saw your
emails. I have had a pep in

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my step since we started this little
email affair. Don't trust those emotions you

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have in the first six months of
a relationship. It's all chemical. I

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know. Just reading that it is
funny, you could just totally see like,

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oh, early early stage relationship.
Just yeah, yeah, you want

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to believe that this is this person
is amazing, but this person hasn't showed

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you who they really are. Right
after twenty years of marriage, that's that's

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when you know someone. Do you
remember our early days? Oh, yes,

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Verily, we were, Yeah,
we were gross. David tilt Shanty.

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He had inherited about five million dollars
from his father's estate after his death,

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and he didn't need to work.
When they met in person, they

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hit it off and began seeing each
other every other weekend, taking turns flying

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to each other's state. Do you
remember that sounds familiar? That sound Vera,

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We did the same thing. We
didn't fly that, we drove.

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After just a few months, David
relocated to Orlando. They were head over

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heels in love. He proposed a
Shanty with a beautiful, custom made diamond

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engagement ring, valued at fifteen thousand
dollars. She loved the ring and proudly

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showed it off to everyone. Shanty
told friends how great David was He doted

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on her and made her feel like
a princess. Their friends were very happy

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for them. They seemed like the
perfect couple. One friend described them as

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nauseating at times for their excessive affection. Do you think any of our friends

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would have described us as nauseating in
those early days? I'm so like,

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I can think of one time,
and I bet you know which time.

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I mean, I think about it, and we should we owe the whole

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entire city of Chicago and apology.
I don't know what time you're talking about,

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you don't. We went to some
like blues Fest or something. Oh

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don't need to say anymore, but
we were a lot of public display of

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affection going on. I guess yes. In twenty seventeen, Shanty and David

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were married at the Courthouse in Orlando
after four years together. No friends or

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family attended the wedding. After Shanti's
death, her grandmother Mary and Perry,

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who said they were very close,
didn't know they were married. That's strange,

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That's very strange, missus, Perry
told KFTV nine Orlando quote. I

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suspected him from the minute they told
me he wouldn't look you in the eye

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when he spoke to you unquote.
Marion described Shanty as a hard worker,

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dependable and roll on the floor funny. She enjoyed traveling to Europe with her

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granddaughter and going on cruises after their
wedding. Friends and family said that they

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worried that David was controlling. They
saw Shanty much less and she had lost

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some of her sparkle and sense of
humor. Two months before her death,

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Shanty was struck with a burst of
pay Her recovery from the surgery had been

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rocky. Shanty had been in pain
ever since, forcing her to slow down.

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She didn't want clients or her son
to know the extent of her pain.

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She hadn't been able to keep much
food down for months, including after

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the surgery, when she should have
felt better. She eliminated alcohol and subsisted

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on very bland foods. Her friends
said she'd lost a lot of weight.

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Appendicitis and poisoning can have similar symptoms. By the way, why do you

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mention poisoning? There? After her
death, Shanti's assistant asked David for permission

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to notify their clients. David agreed, but told her he still needed to

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contact her family and friends about her
death. It took him several days to

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do so that's very strange, too, super strange. Shanty's friends and family

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were shocked and devastated by her death. They couldn't imagine what had happened,

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but many of them pointed to Shanti's
first husband, Jim Cooper. Police interviewed

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him and could see a clear motive. He was their first viable suspect.

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However, Jim had been at a
job site at the time of Shanti's murder.

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Coworkers corroborated his whereabouts and he was
quickly cleared. David and Shanti lived

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at two eighteen East Copeland Drive,
in a four bedroom, five bathroom forty

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five hundred square foot colonial revival built
in the nineteen twenties. If you go

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to Zillo dot com and you put
that address in, there are still pictures

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of I believe when David bought the
house. Okay, David bought the house

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in twenty fifteen for six hundred and
seven thousand dollars in cash. The realtor

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who sold him the house described him
as intense, and she told forty eight

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hours she was glad when the deal
was over and she no longer had to

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deal with him. The house was. The house was actually really nice,

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upscale neighborhood. It's one of probably
the best places to live in Orlando,

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and that was said to be a
really good price. It's a lot of

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money, but for that neighborhood,
it was a very good price. The

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house was put in a trust between
David and his mother, Beverly. It

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was a beautiful home with a tile
roof, spa pole, enlarged lanai in

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the historic Delaney Park neighborhood just south
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diverse, adding to its charm,
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Most homes were built between nineteen twenty
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from five hundred thousand dollars to one
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at over two million dollars. Delaney
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neighborhoods in Orlando, known for its
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brick paved streets, and proximity to
the hospital. Two gargoyles sit protectively atop

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the roof of the house. The
house did need some updating, Shanty and

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David planned to make the house into
an open floor plan, and David didn't

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have a job, so he spent
his days exercising and swimming and doing yoga

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and taking care of the dogs.
But soon the house became his job.

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He became obsessed with the renovation and
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In preparation for the massive renovation,
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and dirt floors. The house was
essentially just an empty, hollow shell of

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the house's interior, and it remained
gutted for over two years. Oh boy,

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the house became a literal money pit. David hired and fired countless architects

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and contractors. He could not find
anyone to complete his vision that he could

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work with. Shanty and her young
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six and eight. During this time, they lived in the apartment above the

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garage. Pictures of the apartment show
a cramped, unorganized space. There was

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no functioning kitchen in the eight hundred
square foot apartment, and Shanty worked long

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hours from home in the tight living
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the unair conditioned garage that he'd conred
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really just a garage that he put
the couches in and all of their not

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all of their belongings, but a
lot of their belongings. Can you picture

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this in your eyes? I can. And this is for two years.

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I can't even two years and these
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means, they have money, and
I can't. I would go, you

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know me, I would. I
would be crazy. David wanted their home

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renovation to appear on a TV show
on the A and E channel called Zombie

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House Flipping. Here's a description of
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a house has been left for dead, the Zombie House Flippers bring it back

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to life. Operating in Orlando,
Florida, Justin Stamper, Ashley Casserly and

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Keith or have made a name for
themselves flipping rotting abandoned properties zombie houses into

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beautifully remade homes for a top dollar. Hour long episodes show the inner workings

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of this high stakes world full of
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personalities that only Florida can provide.
With budgets tight and timeline is short,

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it's a mad scramble to finish these
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The show has been on for I
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one hundred episodes, and I watched
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I mean, I've watched way more
home renovating shows than the Only time

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I ever watched home renovating shows is
when I'm at my dentist because they always

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put they have a TV on the
ceiling and that's all they play is home

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renovation show. It's a pretty neutral
thing to play, but they probably don't.

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I mean, it's I watched an
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show, but they're always like way
more dramatic than they need to be.

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Yeah, I'm a little confused why
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show, because normally they buy like
it or maybe it's just for show.

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They just pretend that they're buying in
a banded house, but it usually appears

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that they're buying, you know,
a banded house like it says that's been

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left for dead and this house,
you know, was owned right David and

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Shanti's Zombie House Flipping host Keith Orie
said the Trontis house was structurally unsound near

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collapse. The support beams had been
removed. An engineer confirmed that the only

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thing holding the house together was the
two inches of exterior stucco. That's crazy.

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I'm not a big home renovation guy, but I know you don't tear

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out supporting like beams. That's a
bad idea, you don't. I will

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show you some pictures and we'll post
some pictures. Here's a clip of keith

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Ory. When I met with Dave. I walked right through those doors there,

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and that's when sort of the enormity
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I mean, it's holy cowed.
There's no house on the inside of

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this house. This level of demo
is unprecedented. Nobody ever does what they

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did. It wasn't structurally safe.
I was trying to figure out what was

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holding the house up. Quite frankly, it was absolutely alarming. In all

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renovation, there's a few movies that
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and the movie The Money Pit is
certainly one of them, and it's gonna

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be fun fixing it up. You'll
see this house would be a prototypical money

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pit. It's not clear to me
whether David did all the stripping down of

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the house or if they'd hired a
demolition crew. Well, if the supports

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were taken out, I'm guessing David
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imagine anyone who knew what they were
doing would do that. Work had begun

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on the house, and the weeks
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added, making the house safer.
But Keith was having a hard time meeting

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with a couple. He could sense
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obvious that Shanty wanted nothing to do
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not want to appear on the show, which caused tension between the couple.

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I did hear one account of a
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want to appear on the show,
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in the episode that I watched,
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Keithori and his crew and the contractors. Interesting. Most of those shows are

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pretty formulaic, so I would think
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maybe not. Yeah, and maybe
their intent was just their house. They

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would fix the house and they would
the house would appear, But not necessarily

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the couple. Among the issues Shanty
and David were fighting over was the title

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of the house. Her name had
never been added to the title, and

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she was fronting all of the money
for the remodel. Ten days after Shanti's

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death, David removed his mother's name
from the trust and he became the sole

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owner. Later at the trial,
the defense claimed that Shanty's name was never

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added to the title because she had
bad credit, which I don't think was

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true because she was doing very well
for herself and she owned her own business.

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I thought this guy was a multi
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money for this That's an excellent question. I think Shanty wondered the same thing

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as did all her friends and family
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David voluntarily went to the police station
for questioning. He did not call an

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attorney. He was very emotional,
but cooperative. Detective Teresa Sprague and Detective

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Barb Sharp were in charge of the
questioning. They were like Cagney and Lacy.

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Apparently, of course they're great.
These two were a great team.

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They started the interview sympathetic and kind. First of all, on behalfy Land,

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the case of private. We want
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your loss and also for everything that
you're going through. I know this is

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very for you, David said.
Shanty worked from home on the day of

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her death. She came downstairs around
nine am, and that was the last

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time David saw her alive. And
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All right, she's not been feeling
well. He went for a walk and

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then later took the dogs on a
two hour walk at the park. He

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came home, cleaned the pool and
did some yardwork before he went up to

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the apartment to check on Shanty.
He heard the water running. He walked

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into the bathroom and found her face
down in a filled tub with what he

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called rose colored water. The water's
like ha full. She's submerged partially and

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it's just extremely awful. It doesn't
look natural. Obviously she fell or something

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happened. It's never been more love. So David's story isn't making a lot

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of sense. He's saying that she's
partially submerged and she's floating. But then

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later he said, like the stopper
wasn't in the tub because remember, like

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he's it's just like running around running
errands and stuff. And then he comes

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up and he finds the top running
and had the stopper it would have been

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overflowing and for her to be floating. You understand where he I'm going here?

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Yeah, it just doesn't all add
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David was subjected to a body check, swabbing, and nail clipping by the

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police. There were no scratches or
defensive wounds on his body. His clothes

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were taken from him. For most
of the time David was at the police

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station, he sat in an uncomfortable
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I'm guessing a paper suit is just
what it sounds like, like some

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kind of temporary thing that police give
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Yeah. I think it's like a
coverall type thing. Late in the

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evening, David agreed to take a
polygraph, but the detectives couldn't find anyone

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to administer the test. That's a
problem. As the hours ticked by the

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detectives became increasingly impatient and frustrated with
David, they said the evidence did not

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fit his version of the events.
Why was the bathroom dry? Why was

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shanty already in rigor mortis. Why
hadn't Shanty moved her phone at all since

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the previous night. You're not a
good liar. You're terrible at it,

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terrible. The evidence in her body
speak for itself, and your story is

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bs. You fake cried for about
seven or eight hours. Ay, not

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one tear came out of your eyes, not one. You screwed up,

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you made a mistake, whatever it
is. I'm starting to believe it wasn't

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a mistake. I love that you're
a terrible liar. I feel like I

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missed my calling. You would be
good at that, But as a mom,

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I really get to use those skills
a lot as a mom. David

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was questioned for fourteen hours before he
went home. The next day, he

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hired an attorney and a private detective
to find the real murderer. David refused

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to participate in a polygraph test after
that. I hope we're never in this

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situation where one of us dies under
suspicious circumstances. Hope not to. But

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fourteen hours, I like the worst
day of your life. You know you've

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lost your spouse. I just can't
imagine being subjected to fourteen hours of questioning.

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I can't either. He was.
I think he was given a break

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for a couple of hours at what
point and he was left in the room

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to doze for a little bit.
Yeah, stiill a lot. We'll be

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back after a break. So you're
still lunching on the sweet potato crackers during

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our break. I forgot to tell
you that those were the ones that fell

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on the floor. Yeah, it's
okay, the best wife. Law enforcement

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immediately began investigating the crime scene.
David claimed that he'd found Shanty face down

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in the tub and pulled her out, yet the bathroom was dry. There

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was no sign the bathtub or shower
had recently been used. There were no

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wet towels or rugs. Shanty's hair
and the pajamas she wore were damp,

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but not soaking wet as if she'd
been taken out of a tub. David

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was dry too. He didn't look
like someone that had pulled his wife out

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of a tub filled with water,
and Shanty's injuries were not consistent with the

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slip and fall. Her body was
already in rigor mortis, and as we

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know, rigor mortis begins at about
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twelve hours after death, there was
blood found on Shanty's bed frame. David

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told the detectives that it was from
her period, but the detectives knew better.

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Shanty was most likely killed in her
bed. Detectives disassembled the bed frame

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and found more blood on the wooden
slats of the bed frame. Detectives told

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David that the crime scene did not
support his version of events. David claimed

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that the house had been burgled.
Dollars in cash was missing, along with

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Shanty's valuable engagement ring. However,
there was no sign of forest entry,

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unknown fingerprints, DNA, or evidence
of a struggle in the apartment. Jewelry,

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cash, Shanty's wallet, credit cards, electronics, and other high priced

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items left out in the open were
not taken. How often do we have

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this in these cases? The people
need to learn how to stage a fake

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boards. Well, I'm I'm glad
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David met with Shanti's father, Kish
and Matani to discuss her death. David

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referred to the injuries to the left
side of Shanti's head, which weren't visible

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or known until after the autopsy was
conducted. According to The Orlando Sentinel,

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detective Sprague wrote a one hundred and
twenty three page report that revealed some of

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the evidence against David Tranis, including
that Shanti's DNA was found under his fingernails

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and the only fingerprints on the bathtub
longed to him. Part of the report

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read quote the tub did not have
water in it and was not wet,

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but there was a ring of dry, diluted blood around the tub. The

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floor outside the tub was dry,
and the bathroom rug was also dry.

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The carpet from the bathroom entrance to
the area where the decedent was laying was

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dry. The descendent's clothing looked damp, but was not soaking wet, as

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if she'd just been removed from a
tub full of water. The blood observed

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on her skin was also dried.
End quote. Detective Sprague had a secret

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surveillance camera trained on the Tronti Striway
to capture the comings and goings at the

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house. When neighbors were questioned if
they'd seen anything suspicious in the neighborhood,

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several mentioned a transient in the neighborhood
who looked like Woody Harrelson and it might

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have been with her, except Detective
Sprague did track him down, interview him,

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and released him. She was confident
there was no evidence linking Woody to

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Shanti's murder. Was his name actually, Wouldy? I don't think it was.

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As the investigation continued into the couple, it was revealed that Shanty was

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paying for the costly home renovations out
of her pocket. Where was David's multimillion

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dollar inheritance? That was my question, A very good question. It was

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causing her a lot of stress.
Shanty asked David many times to put her

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name on the title, but he
refused. Shanty had spent nearly two hundred

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and fifty thousand dollars on the house
and it was still far from livable with

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no end date in sight. So
for the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

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really all they'd done is got the
place. Yeah, David didn't pay

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for anything, not even groceries.
Shanti's friends called him miserly. At the

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time of Shanti's death, David had
about one hundred and thirty thousand dollars in

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his bank account, Shanty had over
three hundred and sixty thousand in her personal

403
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:53.839
account, and they had a joint
account that contained over four hundred and eighty

404
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:59.559
thousand dollars, but there are no
accounts with five million dollars, so that

405
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:05.240
was that was a lie. What
they did. They had enough money and

406
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.519
I'm not sure there might have been
more retirement type accounts. Were Shanty's only

407
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:13.240
thirty nine years old. Mm hmmm, Yeah, she was doing pretty well,

408
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.920
but she was doing great, Yeah, but not the five million dollars

409
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.279
that David claimed to have. One
day, Shanty called her friend crying over

410
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.039
the state of her marriage. She
said she was afraid of David. She

411
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.920
said, quote, he knows I
know too much and he won't let me

412
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:31.359
go on quote, without any further
explanation. Later the same day, Shanty

413
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.680
called her friend back and said they
had worked things out and she was okay.

414
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.359
Jackson's nanny revealed that she had sensed
tension in the marriage and recently felt

415
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:45.880
that Shanty had reached her breaking point. She had overheard Shanty yelling at David.

416
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.039
She said, I can't live like
this. You need to fix it.

417
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.079
Yes, she was talking about the
house, Oh for sure. The

418
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:57.599
nanny also said that David played mind
games with Jackson. He would hide his

419
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.319
toys from him and then casually put
them back days later. The police found

420
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:07.759
an old, unplugged refrigerator that contained
several of Jackson's toys. That's just bizarre

421
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:13.640
and just yeah, just very mean. And Jackson is a sweet, adorable

422
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:19.480
kid. Jackson loved his mother very
much. He said that Shanty and David

423
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.559
fought often, loudly screaming at each
other. He was verbally abusive to Jackson

424
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.920
when Shanty wasn't around, he threatened
to break his toys or throw them away.

425
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.599
We're just going to go over the
timeline briefly. Jackson was the last

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00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.039
person other than David to see Shanty
alive. Shanty and Jackson had dinner with

427
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.839
her grandmother that night. Shanty dropped
Jackson off at his father's house on April

428
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:47.480
twenty third at eight thirty pm before
heading home. Jackson is grateful he got

429
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.119
to hug his mom and say I
love you for a final time hours before

430
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:57.240
her death. Shanty's cell phone was
last used at eleven fifty eight pm on

431
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.920
April twenty third. It was not
used or even moved at all. The

432
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.920
next day. She received a text
at six fifty eight am on April twenty

433
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:09.239
fourth regarding a work matter, but
she never responded and she was known for

434
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:15.400
her quick text backs. David claimed
he saw her at seven am and again

435
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.239
at nine am. On the morning
of April twenty fourth, David took a

436
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.840
long walk by himself, returned home, got the dogs, and took them

437
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.599
on a long walk at the dog
park. When they returned, he worked

438
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.480
around the yard and cleaned the pool. The cameras at the park were broken,

439
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.119
so this could not be corroborated.
He went upstairs to check on Shanty

440
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.920
at about three forty five and found
her in the tub. He called nine

441
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.159
one one at three fifty one pm. According to the autopsy, Shanty had

442
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:50.679
PATIKII lacerations on her face, extensive
bruising on her body and neck, scrapes

443
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.920
on her knees, and clumps of
hair missing. The attack was so brutal

444
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:59.280
that Shanty's skull was cracked, and
the attack must have been a surprise because

445
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:05.000
she had notice defensive wounds. Shanty
had a quote unusual linear mark on the

446
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:09.280
right side of her neck, with
possible ligature markings on either side. On

447
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:14.480
May second, twenty eighteen, the
manner of Shanti's death was ruled a homicide

448
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:19.480
and her cause of death was blunt
forest trauma and strangulation. There was no

449
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:24.079
evidence of drowning as David had suggested. Shanty was wearing one diamond earring before

450
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.880
her death and the other lie on
the bedside table next to her, along

451
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.480
with her watch. Investigators believed she'd
been attacked at the moment when she was

452
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.519
removing her jewelry before bed, and
the bed frame had several spots of blood

453
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:43.880
on it, but oddly the bedding
was clean and completely free of blood.

454
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:50.119
Remember that there was a dispute over
Shanty's remains between David and Jim Cooper,

455
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.159
Shanty's ex husband, who was representing
his son's interest. Jim filed an emergency

456
00:35:54.159 --> 00:36:00.119
petition to try to get possession of
Shanty's body, citing a statue and it

457
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:05.320
gives others possession if the victim's spouse
is arrested for the crime. The judge

458
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.920
denied the request, saying, quote, there is no evidence that the surviving

459
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:13.559
spouse, David Tranis, has been
arrested for committing against the deceased and an

460
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.840
act of domestic violence that resulted in
or contributed to the death end quote.

461
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:23.880
David and Jim agreed to have Shanty's
remains cremated, and they held separate funeral

462
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:29.760
services for her. Later, a
judge ruled that Jim and Jackson Cooper should

463
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.159
have possession of Shanty's remains and David
would be responsible for the cost of the

464
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:39.159
cremation. Shanty had a journal that
showed signs of a strained marriage. Some

465
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.000
of the entries read, why do
you treat the dogs better than me?

466
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.960
Is it because they don't question you? Do you love me anymore? People

467
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.519
who love each other don't act this
way. Maybe it is time for a

468
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.800
change. I asked him why he
is so cheap? And he keeps telling

469
00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:00.159
me how much money he has spent
on this house and that we will almost

470
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.239
have one million dollars into it.
We are no further along into the renovation,

471
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:09.639
and our relationship is getting worse.
It was apparent that Shanty was very

472
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:15.599
unhappy before her death. David met
his first wife, Carol, on a

473
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.320
blind date in nineteen ninety seven.
They were married in April of nineteen ninety

474
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:23.119
nine and divorced in twenty thirteen.
According to The Orlando Sentinel, Carol said

475
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:29.239
that David was attractive, smart,
interesting, and energetic. She described their

476
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:34.039
marriage as healthy and loving. However, friends and family said after their marriage,

477
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.159
Carol changed and withdrew from them.
They claim that David made her quit

478
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:42.920
her job and played mind games with
her. Carol said David was stubborn but

479
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:49.000
not controlling. They remained friendly throughout
the years since their divorce. After Shanti's

480
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.639
death, she called to offer him
her condolences. I didn't say this earlier,

481
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:59.039
but the time between his divorce from
Carol to his romance with Shanty was

482
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:04.519
pretty short. Okay, he wasn't
single for long. Detective Spray Again prosecutor

483
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:08.920
Ryan Veschio traveled to Minnesota to interview
David's first wife, Carol. She didn't

484
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:14.400
think David was capable of harming Shanty. She insisted that he wasn't a violent

485
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:19.000
person. Carroll's friends revealed that during
her marriage to David, about a year

486
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.639
into the marriage, she had become
mysteriously ill. She suffered from nausea,

487
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:28.480
fainting spells, and severe stomach pain, similar to symptoms that Shanty had suffered

488
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.559
from. Carol did not believe that
David had poisoned her. He did do

489
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:37.039
all of the cooking, but she
said her stomach symptoms had continued after their

490
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:43.840
divorce. Strangely, as investigators delved
into David's finances. They found a joint

491
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.679
bank account that he shared with Carol
that held over three hundred thousand dollars.

492
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.440
After Shanti's death, David had access
to her bank accounts and life insurance,

493
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:58.000
which was worth over a million dollars. He formed an LLC for estate planning.

494
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.599
He asked his ex wife Carol to
join him, and she agreed.

495
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:07.440
Prosecutors have accused him of setting this
up to hide money. Interesting very confusing.

496
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.639
Investigator has also found that David joined
a gym and bath house called Club

497
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.320
Orlando for gay men. Nothing wrong
with joining a bath house, but you

498
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.440
should probably tell your wife yes.
Here's a description of Club Orlando from its

499
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.559
website. Located only minutes from downtown
Orlando, the Club Orlando is the perfect

500
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.760
place for those looking to explore their
fantasies away from the mouse. Flax in

501
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.280
the hot tub, dive in the
pool, blow off some steam in the

502
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.559
steam room, watch a movie in
our video loune, or socialize in your

503
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:43.800
own private room. We've got it
all covered. The gym is available to

504
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:46.679
all Club Orlando members who have a
fitness or weight loss goal. Club Orlando

505
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:52.000
is a unique and that we are
able to serve as a community testing site

506
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:57.239
for std in HIV in a place
to distribute condoms and valuable safe sex information

507
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.960
to both members and non members,
whether you're gay, bisexual, or straight.

508
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:06.000
The Orange County Health Department offers free
testing every fourth of the month.

509
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:10.000
Amenities include a full gym, whirlpool, heated pool, sun deck, clothing,

510
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:15.639
optional, video lounges, lockers,
free Wi Fi, and private dressing

511
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:21.000
rooms. With the exception of the
eighteen to twenty four year old price special,

512
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.920
we will not be honoring any other
discounts, coupons or previous time of

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00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.239
day specials. Not legal to give
a price discount to people because of their

514
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:36.920
age. I wouldn't know. David
had been a member since twenty sixteen.

515
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.320
Members interviewed admitted to having hookups in
the gym with David as recently as the

516
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.119
week before Shanti's death. He went
to the clubs seventy eight times in two

517
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:50.480
years, including the day after his
wedding to Shanty, According to KFTV nine

518
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.079
Orlando, Arthur Adams, a worker
at Club Orlando, told police he witnessed

519
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:59.360
David having sexual contact with men at
the gym at least twice. Once in

520
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.440
the locker room and once behind the
building, he said, quote for a

521
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.639
while there he was coming like at
least twice a week. Friend said it

522
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.480
was impossible that Shanty knew and tolerated
David's double life and membership to the club.

523
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.360
But is it possible that Shanty discovered
David's double life and that led to

524
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:22.840
an ugly fight that escalated into her
murder. We'll never know what was the

525
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.559
motive for Shanty's murder. She had
a life insurance policy valued at three hundred

526
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:31.599
and fifty thousand dollars. David was
the sole beneficiary. She had other investments

527
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.239
valued at over a million dollars that
he would gain control of. David had

528
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.639
been living a lie. He was
not worth millions of dollars as he had

529
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:45.360
claimed. He was angry that Shanty
didn't want to appear on Zombie House Flipping,

530
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.239
but was he mad enough to kill
her? And then there was his

531
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:54.440
penchant for going to bathhouses. Shanty's
friend Melissa Berzinski told law enforcement after her

532
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:59.519
death, quote, we all thought
we knew David Tranis, come to find

533
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.480
out what we knew was a facade. He was living a total lie.

534
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.119
On August twenty ninth, twenty eighteen, one hundred and twenty seven, days

535
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:13.480
after Shanty was murdered, David,
fifty was arrested for her murder after a

536
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:17.480
grand jury had sent down a secret
indictment. He was arrested without incident at

537
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.239
his mother's house, where he had
been living. He pleaded not guilty and

538
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:27.440
was denied bail. He had no
previous arrest history. After his arrest,

539
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:32.679
Missus Troness's house was searched, Detective
Sprague found Shanty's engagement ring among David's things,

540
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.800
the ring that he claimed had been
stolen. David was being represented by

541
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:43.079
a public defender because he claimed to
be indigent, until it was discovered that

542
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:46.559
he'd been hiding money. The prosecutor
found an account David had opened as an

543
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:52.039
LLC in the weeks before he was
arrested. The account contained over one hundred

544
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:57.199
and twenty thousand dollars. David was
stripped of his public defender and forced to

545
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.239
hire an attorney using his resources.
At a pre trial hearing a month before

546
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:06.360
the trial was set to begin,
the judge became frustrated with David when he

547
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.280
hadn't yet hired an attorney. He
was accused of trying to delay the trial.

548
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:15.639
A former cellmate of David's, Edward
Gizmondi, came forward to alert authorities

549
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.920
that David had confessed to him that
he had killed Shanti. Gizmondi was in

550
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.760
prison for sexual assault. He's out
now. The two became friends after David

551
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:30.280
told Edward he recognized him from Club
Orlando. David claimed that he remembered fighting

552
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.519
with Shanty, but then blacked out
and when he woke up, she was

553
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:37.800
dead. David said Shanty was angry
over lude text messages he'd received from a

554
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.039
man that she had found on his
phone. She allegedly told David that she

555
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.119
was going to reveal his secret hookups
to all of their family and friends.

556
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:52.039
Gizmondi told investigators that David said he
loved his wife and continued to wear his

557
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:58.480
wedding ring while in prison. David
and Gismondi both had an interest in psychedelic

558
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:05.039
drugs told him about SAPO or combo, which is a deadly tree frog sap.

559
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:10.159
David said that SAPO was undetectable when
placed into foods like salsa, and

560
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:15.880
wasn't apparent in toxicology screenings. Although
David stopped short of admitting that he poisoned

561
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:22.280
Shanty. Remember that Shanti had recently
undergone an appendectomy. Detective Sprague, who

562
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.880
was working the case, called the
hospital to see if they had retained Shanty's

563
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:30.760
appendix so they could test it for
poison The hospital had the appendix, but

564
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.320
it had been soaking in a solution
that made it unable to be tested.

565
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.760
The DA decided it wasn't the good
move to pursue David for poisoning because there

566
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.599
was little to no evidence to support
the charge. Two months before the start

567
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.760
of the trial, the prosecutor,
Ryan Veschio, received a call from David's

568
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:54.400
attorney, Robert Mandal. He said
he'd been up all night worrying about failing

569
00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:00.239
to turn over some evidence. He
said some potential items of evidence had been

570
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:07.800
overlooked by law enforcement during their investigation
of the Trontis house. Detective Sprake instantly

571
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.960
knew what he was referring to.
Do you have any guesses? You probably

572
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:15.079
don't know. I gave you a
hint earlier, but when the crime scene

573
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.559
was first investigated, she recalled thinking
the bed looked too neatly made, and

574
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.880
remember there was no blood and the
sheets at all. She asked if the

575
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:29.119
defense attorney had the bloody sheets,
and he did boy remember the secret surveillance

576
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:34.000
camera Detective Sprague had placed on the
house, while Robert Mendel likely found out

577
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:38.599
about the camera and was concerned that
his private investigators were caught on camera carrying

578
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:44.000
the sheets out of the house.
Photos of the linen closet were taking during

579
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.239
the first two searches of the apartment, a set of balled up sheets were

580
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.320
visible on a shelf. Investigators had
returned for a third search and again had

581
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:57.840
taken pictures of the linen closet,
and when compared with the previous two pictures,

582
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.360
there was a space on the shelf
where the sheets had been. The

583
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:06.960
defense tried to defend their withholding of
evidence by saying they didn't know if there

584
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.800
was menstrual fluid or blood on the
sheets, and they'd intended to have the

585
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.840
sheets tested but had forgotten to do
so. How convenient, David had told

586
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.199
them that Shanda had been having her
period the previous previous weekend and they'd gotten

587
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.039
blood on the sheets during intercourse.
The state considered charging the defense attorneys with

588
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:30.000
tampering with evidence, but I believe
they decided not to. The sheets were

589
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.639
eventually tested and blood from both Shanty
and David was found on the sheets.

590
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.280
Prosecutor Ryan Veshio told forty eight Hours
that he called Robert Mandel and told him

591
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:45.280
that he needed to immediately turn over
any other evidence that he might be withholding.

592
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.000
He said he might have one more
thing. He handed over a green

593
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:55.000
plastic cord that had been hanging in
the rafters of the main house. David's

594
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.320
attorney had told the prosecutor that David
attempted suicide with the cord, but Vascio

595
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:05.679
thought the chord may have been used
to strangle Shanti, remember that was one

596
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.440
of her causes of death. After
the chord was sent to the lab for

597
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:13.239
testing, none of Shanti's DNA was
found on it. In fact, no

598
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:17.360
DNA was found on it, which
was strange. Investigators believe that David cleaned

599
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.039
the chord in the weeks after Shanti's
death. The start of the trial was

600
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:27.800
delayed several times, first because of
COVID but then because David's attorney claimed that

601
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:32.519
he wasn't competent to stand trial.
He had received a diagnosis of schizophrenia from

602
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:38.639
two psychiatrists. Schizophrenia is usually diagnosed
in the late teens or early twenties and

603
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:45.079
men. Laid onset schizophrenia is a
diagnosis that happens between ages forty and sixty.

604
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:50.840
It's rare, but not unheard of. Symptoms tend to be milder and

605
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:54.480
older individuals, which makes diagnosis harder
and less likely for the patient to seek

606
00:47:54.480 --> 00:48:00.199
treatment. The most common symptoms of
schizophrenia are delusions and halloo ucinations of any

607
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:06.760
of the five senses. Other symptoms
include a lack of emotion, jerky or

608
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:14.840
repetitive movements, lack of personal hygiene, and avoiding interpersonal relationships. State prosecutor

609
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.920
Will Jay said quote. Both doctors
have agreed in their reports that the defendant

610
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:25.119
is incompetent to proceed and recommended he
be committed. In January twenty twenty two,

611
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:30.079
the judge found David incompetent to stand
trial and sent him to a state

612
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.440
mental institution. A year later,
David's doctors declared him competent to stand trial.

613
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.920
The judge set a trial date for
October of twenty twenty three. He

614
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:44.880
had considered pleading guilty by reason of
insanity, but changed his mind, and

615
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:50.760
finally, more than five years later, the trial began on October eleventh,

616
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:55.079
twenty twenty three. At the trial, David appeared disheveled and scruffy. He'd

617
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.960
grown a beard, and his hair
was long, unkept and pulled back an

618
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:05.159
a messy bunn which is surprising because
normally a defendant, you know, is

619
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:09.480
presented clean shaven, and so I
don't know if that was attacted by his

620
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:14.400
defense team. Yeah, I'm going
to show you a picture really quick,

621
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:19.000
Okay, So he looks remarkably different. Yeah, for sure, we'll post

622
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.239
those pictures. When Jackson Cooper,
now thirteen, saw David and court,

623
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.920
he said, quote, it's good
because I know he's not doing good at

624
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.480
all. The state of him.
He looks horrible. The defense declined to

625
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:36.320
give an opening argument. Jackson attended
the trial deally with his father, seeking

626
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.360
justice for Shanty. Throughout the proceedings, he clutched a photograph of his mom

627
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:46.079
tightly and breaks. Merit keith Or
from Zombie House Flipping testified to the precarious

628
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:52.599
nature of the house. Shanty's friends
testified to David's miserly ways. They said,

629
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:57.480
for the entirety of their relationship,
he'd never paid for anything. Before

630
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:00.760
they bought the big house, they
had been renting a smaller house, and

631
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:06.000
David would only pay one third of
the rent because he didn't think he should

632
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:10.039
have to support Jackson the guy.
David's secret sex life was not allowed as

633
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:15.119
evidence in the trial. The defense
did not call any witnesses. They were

634
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.880
confident that the state had not proven
their case. The trial lasted six days.

635
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.239
On October eighteenth, twenty twenty three, David was found what do you

636
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:30.440
think guilty? Guilty after the jury
deliberated for only five hours. He was

637
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:36.159
sentenced to life in prison without the
possibility of parole. Shanty's family requested for

638
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:40.760
the death penalty to be excluded from
consideration. At david sentencing, Jackson and

639
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:47.239
Jim Cooper both read victim impact statements. You honor. My mom was the

640
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:54.559
best person I ever knew. She
worked a lot, but she never put

641
00:50:54.599 --> 00:51:01.320
her family over work. Early twenty
eighteen, she was taken from me and

642
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:06.199
my family. It's like a hole
in my heart that I can't fill or

643
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:10.880
fix. She didn't die peacefully.
She did not deserve anything that happened to

644
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:19.320
her that night. My family and
I have been waiting for about five years

645
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.440
for justice. I miss her so
much. I would have never thought the

646
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:30.199
day before was the last time I
would see my mother alive. I missed

647
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.599
the times where we would go to
universal or just the simple times like walking

648
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:39.519
the dogs or going to the park. She was the best mom I could

649
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:51.719
ever ask for. That's it your
honor. When Shanty and I were married,

650
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:58.119
we tried for years to have a
child, no success. It was

651
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:04.159
an extremely difficult time for us,
and we were about to give up when

652
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:09.440
we got the wonderful news in early
two thousand and nine. We did our

653
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:15.719
best to raise him together, but
as you know, in life, it

654
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:21.719
is not without its curveballs and heartaches. And when we divorced, as difficult

655
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:29.079
as it was, one thing we
never fought or wavered on was raising Jackson

656
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:35.320
the best we could. He's tall
like his dad, but he got his

657
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:39.719
brains, his compassion, and his
outlook on life from his mother and Er

658
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:47.440
and I moved forward and continued raising
a wonderful son. When this parasite came

659
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:52.199
into our lives, he took something
from us, and most importantly, from

660
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:58.000
Jackson. And what he took is
not replaceable. It is something that I

661
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:07.840
struggle with every day. He lost
a good parent. It is still unfathomable

662
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:13.719
to me what he did to her
and what he put Jackson through. He

663
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:19.199
knew when he saw firsthand how special
their bond was, and he still tortured

664
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:25.519
him and brutally ripped her from this
world, our lives and Jackson's. As

665
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.639
I struggled to understand to this day, the only word I come back to

666
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:37.760
is evil. Only evil would do
what he did to her and Jackson when

667
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.559
he had the choice not to do
what he did. It's a heartbreaking to

668
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:46.719
listen to that poor kid. How
old was Jackson when his mom was killed

669
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.440
again? He was eight when she
died in thirteen during the trial, But

670
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.519
yeah, that's it just seems like
such a sweet kid. Yeah, Jackson

671
00:53:54.519 --> 00:54:00.840
now lives with his father, Jim. Jim said he was feeling quote exhilaration

672
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.960
and a little bit of peace after
the guilty verdict and sentencing. He said,

673
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.000
the only word I come back to
is evil. Only evil would do

674
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.719
that to her. Now we're going
to wake up tomorrow a little bit brighter.

675
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:16.400
Jackson told wk MG Orlando, quote, It's like a weight has been

676
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:21.039
lifted off of our shoulders. Feels
good that he's finally where he is.

677
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.000
We can move on knowing that he's
where he's supposed to be where he's meant

678
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:30.480
to be. David Tranas is appealing
his conviction. Ryan Vescio left the States

679
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.079
Attorney's Office and now works in private
practice and he represents the state of Chanti

680
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.320
Cooper Tranis, and he is determined
to recoup all the money that he can

681
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:45.199
for Jackson. David Tranis is serving
his sentence at the Northwest Florida Receptions Center

682
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.440
Annex. Do you know what the
basis of his appeal is. I'm not

683
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:52.639
sure, but I have to guess
it has something to do with his defense.

684
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.280
I mean, his defense didn't do
anything. You know, they didn't

685
00:54:55.280 --> 00:55:00.239
even give an opening statement and they
called no witnesses. Yeah, so what

686
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:04.559
do you think do you think that
David was guilty? Yes? What do

687
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:08.920
you think his motive was? It's
a good question. I think it was

688
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:13.920
either money or it was like you
mentioned that maybe they had a fight.

689
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:17.159
She had found out maybe about his
affairs with other men, and that they

690
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.440
had had a fight which led to
her death. I don't know for sure,

691
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.800
but either way, I am pretty
confident that he's guilty. Me too.

692
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:30.679
Definitely, just the state of their
house for two years, just the

693
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.400
stress that that must have had all
of them. Yeah. I can't imagine

694
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:39.280
living like that for two years when
they lived in Orlando and it's just really

695
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.679
hot and humid all the time,
right, and he lived in the garage.

696
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.039
That must not have been fun.
Yeah. Rest in peace, Shanti.

697
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:52.159
She was a beloved daughter and mother. She was smart, funny,

698
00:55:52.719 --> 00:56:04.360
kind and beautiful. I wanted to
talk about Susanne Morrifhew for a minute.

699
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:08.000
This might be a little outdated by
the time this episode airs, but Suzanne's

700
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:13.800
manner of death was ruled a homicide
just this last week. Her cause of

701
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.800
death was listed as undetermined means.
According to the autopsy report released by the

702
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:23.639
Chaffee County Attorney's Office, a cocktail
of drugs that are used to tranquilize wildlife

703
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:29.800
was found in one of her bones, and there was no indication of trauma.

704
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:34.440
The report said. To her remains, I think were skeletal remains.

705
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.119
How long had she been missing for
before they found her? I believe it's

706
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:42.599
four years four years, but her
remains were found this past September. Two

707
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:45.760
of the drugs are You that were
found are used to immobilize wildlife, and

708
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:52.320
a third is an opioid nasal spray
used to treat migraines. Her remains were

709
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:57.480
found in a remote area more than
forty miles south of their home. I

710
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:01.199
believe it was I think everyone thought, oh, it must be her remains

711
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:06.159
would be in the mountains, but
I think this was like a field or

712
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.840
forested area. If you remember,
Barry was in jail for a while,

713
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:15.320
and right before the trial was set
to begin, he was set free because

714
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.599
they didn't think they had enough strong
enough case against him. He is suing

715
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:25.719
the state for fifteen million dollars for
malicious prosecution. Barry's lawyer made a statement

716
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.719
and accused the state of looking at
the case with blinders. He said that

717
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:36.280
the evidence suggests that Suzanne Morphew was
abducted, drugged, and killed by someone

718
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:40.440
else. I strongly disagree. The
attorney also claimed, at the time of

719
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:45.760
Suzanne's disappearance, Barry's tranquilizer gun wasn't
working, so it couldn't have been hippened.

720
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.920
Oh and he was not in possession
of any of the chemicals that caused

721
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.199
her death. This case is one
of the ones that we covered that you

722
00:57:54.880 --> 00:58:00.000
stays close to. It sticks with
me and I really went justice for Suzanne.

723
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.440
Yeah, me too. I mean, in my opinion, he's so

724
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:09.679
clearly guilty, and you remember the
daughters still defend him and support him.

725
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:15.519
It's super heartbreaking. Yes, but
before we go, I think this is

726
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:20.039
our one hundredth episode. I think
it is our officially, we've done more

727
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.800
than one hundred, but some of
those are patrion I know, but we've

728
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:27.360
we passed that up and we haven't
acknowledged it. But it's a big deal

729
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:30.960
and we should one. I asked
me at the beginning if we would get

730
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:34.880
to one hundred episodes, I would
have said no way. Yeah, initially

731
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.840
our intent was just to get to
ten. Well didn't we even have like

732
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:43.320
ten recorded before we even released one? We may have had, Yeah,

733
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.760
we had definitely close to that.
If not ten, Yeah, crazy,

734
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:50.239
that's great questions for you. We
just talked about a case that sticks with

735
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.719
me. Is there a case that
sticks with you? Oh, there's a

736
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:57.320
few of them that definitely stick with
me. I think the one the one

737
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.360
is the Ben and Linley rednick case
that he was the one that was a

738
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.559
snake breeder. I think that one
sticks with me a lot because I talked

739
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.519
to his brother who was the one
who found his body, and that one

740
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:13.039
just really resonated with me, and
also Aaron Corwin. That was the one

741
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:16.480
Aaron's mom reached out to us,
and that just she's just a lovely lady

742
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:20.559
and the fact that she reached out
to us was it meant a lot.

743
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:25.239
Yeah. Yeah, We've had a
few things like that happen, and it's

744
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:30.159
always kind of shocking when you know, we realize that people are listening that

745
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.239
we don't think are listening. Right, It's been great. One of the

746
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:38.079
cases that sticks with me is Sarah
and Ryan Widmer, which I did very

747
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:44.519
early on, and I almost want
to revisit it because I think I'm a

748
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.159
little better at research now and I
remember I read the book. I think

749
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:52.719
the book may have been a little
biased. A lot of people are convinced

750
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:55.679
that Ryan is guilty, but my
opinion is I don't think there is enough

751
00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:00.159
evidence. Yeah, in that case, but I don't. Maybe we would

752
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.960
revisit some of these cases someday,
Yeah, I think so. Those are

753
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.400
some of the most interesting ones are
when they're when it's really not clear.

754
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:09.199
You know, you want to have
like a conclusion, you want to have

755
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:14.480
a definite understanding of who did it
at the end, but sometimes you just

756
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:17.239
don't get that. Do you have
a favorite episode or a favorite case?

757
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:21.159
I would have to say, like
when people ask me if I'm going to

758
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.159
listen to one episode, which one
should I listen to, I steer them

759
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:29.360
to the Liz Gallier, Carrie Farvar
Dave Krupa case, because that one is

760
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:34.960
just so crazy, so insane,
such a wild story that I just I

761
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.960
find that one really interesting. Oh. One of my favorite episodes, I

762
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:42.280
don't know if I could say one
was Kim Wall and Peter Madson, which

763
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.199
wasn't really a love Mary kill case
as much, but she just was such

764
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:50.320
an awesome lady and it was so
horrible what happened to her. Yeah.

765
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.880
Yeah, Do you have any episodes
that you would like to do over?

766
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:54.280
You're like, oh, I flubbed
this up. I could do better now

767
01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.800
or most of them. No.
The only thing I would say is our

768
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:05.559
early episodes, our sound quality was
not great. It still may not be

769
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.320
ideals. I feel like I'm learning
every day of how to do better editing,

770
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:12.960
but probably our first ten ten to
fifteen episodes, I think the sound

771
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:17.400
quality was a little rough. I
think I might want to do Chris wats

772
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:22.639
over someday. We've had a lot
of sweet people that have told us that

773
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:29.320
despite my emotional nature, that I
think they felt like I was very invested

774
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:31.719
in the case, but I was
super Oh yeah, you were totally Yeah.

775
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:38.519
So anyway, a favorite snack A
favorite snack I can only go based

776
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:45.800
on recency, but the Reese's peanut
butter ice cream sandwiches that was very recent.

777
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.559
That was very recent, but it's
top of mind for me. Yeah,

778
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:51.840
how about you. I mean,
the Garrett's popcorn is always good.

779
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.039
I remember one of our sweet listeners, Allison, sent us a box of

780
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:59.400
chocolate. Oh yeah, that was
a really good box of chocolate. So

781
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:04.199
anyway, Happy one hundred episode,
Happy one hundred. Last thing we've talked

782
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.639
about before we go is we've been
watching a show on Netflix called Everyone's Watching

783
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.679
a Lot. It's very popular right
now, called Baby Reindeer. It's not

784
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:16.519
a true crime documentary, but it
is apparently based on real events. This

785
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:22.840
guy who is a comedian, a
terrible comedian, but he has this stalker

786
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:27.639
who comes into the bar where he
works, and she will not leave him

787
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.960
alone, and she comes off as
completely insane. Although he does not come

788
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.480
off well either in this show,
because no, he doesn't. He's an

789
01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.599
idiot and just makes a lot of
really dumb decisions. Yeah, are you

790
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.199
enjoying it? I'm enjoying it.
Yeah, I really like the first episode.

791
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.679
Whatever, since I just I'm not
in love with it. But we

792
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:47.360
have one episode left to go.
But if you haven't watched it, you

793
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.360
know, watch episode one. Yeah, and then we'd say, if you

794
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.360
don't like it after episode one,
don't watch anymore. Yeah. I think

795
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:58.559
I like it. I'm enjoying it, but I'm curious how true it is.

796
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.039
Well, I was just to say, the real life Martha who is

797
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:05.679
the stalker in the show. Her
name's not really Martha, but she is

798
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:12.159
going to be on Pierce Morgan's show
tomorrow Thursday night, so it'll be already

799
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:15.880
aired by the time we published this
episode, and she apparently is going to

800
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.639
tell the real story from her perspective. Yeah, I mean, I don't

801
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:23.239
know her side of the story,
but if she is innocent, I do

802
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:28.719
feel not innocent, but if he
makes her look bad, I feel kind

803
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.639
of bad for her. I do
too, But I can't imagine that her

804
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:36.280
name got out there, and I
guess I feel I mean, if she

805
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:40.039
is like a rapid stalker, but
obviously this is her entertainment purposes, and

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this guy was trying to get his
career going right. And I don't know

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how her name got out there,
but I am curious to hear her side

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of the story. But I can't
imagine that she did not do some things

809
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that were pretty bad to have gotten
him to write this story. So I

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think they're both a little bear some
of the blame for what happened. Or

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