Sheri and Chris Coleman - Part 1

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Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm
Rich. And if there's one thing we've

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learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's that some days you'll feel like

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killing your wife, and some days
you'll feel like killing your husband. Welcome

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to love, Mary Kill, Hey
Rich, Hey Tina. How are you

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doing pretty good? How are you? I'm great, great and great.

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I did want to give a little
warning though. Today's episode contains course language,

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adult themes, and violence against women
and children, so please listen with

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care. I will. It's kind
of a rough one. Yeah, yeah,

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but like I usually try to do, I don't go too it's not

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too graphics. Okay, are you
gonna You're gonna stick around? I think

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I will? Yeah, I do
have a choice. You know, you

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almost made me leave the room.
I accidentally said let her rip when we

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were about to start, and you
did. H Our friend Cosmo isn't here.

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Why isn't he here? You know? He usually just sits right on

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the bean bag chair in this room? Is about something. I think he's

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on strike because we ran out of
chu Ru. If you have a cat

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and your cat doesn't eat Chu Rou, you might went to or c h

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u are you? We usually get
it on Amazon. I love it.

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I love it. It's really and
we haven't had it for a couple of

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days, and he has a little
salty. Yeah. I don't blame him,

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okay, with him not being here, I'm a little mad at him.

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Every night for the last week.
He torments you. He does.

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He just loves you so much.
He's coming up the stairs right now,

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and talk about him. He's here. He did someone say? True?

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It did it? Did? It
was delivered today? Yes, it's so

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funny. You just came up.
Are you looking forward to having the house

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to yourself for the next two weeks? If only I had the house?

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I guess, not completely to yourself. But I'll be gone. I mean,

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I don't mind when you travel.
It's a little weird for you to

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be gone almost two weeks. It's
weird that you're going to be You're going

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to completely miss Easter. I know
that is kind of weird. Yeah,

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So I mean that's yeah. But
I hope you have a good trip.

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I hope you're safe. I hope
you bring me back some good snacks.

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Yeah, I plan to. Are
you staying. I know you're going to

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Paris and then you're going to London. Are you staying in just two different

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places? Yeah, multiple hotels unfortunately, Okay, because I get there,

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I get to Paris on Monday that
I've got a hotel, and then we

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have an off site meeting at some
cool chateau thing, and then I'm going

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to London on Good Friday, and
then I'll be in London over the weekend

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and then meetings the following week.
Yeah. Well, hopefully you can check

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in on Kate. I will Kate, I'll make Yeah. I hope she's

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doing Okay, I know that was
heartbreaking. Yeah, hey, I brought

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you a snack. Oh you did? Yeah, what was surprised. There's

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some grapes right there, some nice
bright green grapes. I like grapes.

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I know. There you go.
Can you see him there? I can't.

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Oh okay, yeah, that's grapes, green grapes. By all right,

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I did make you something. I
told you to temper your expectations because

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I kind of forgot because I was
really busy. So we're trying to work

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ahead, so we're kind of making
a lot of content this last week.

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But I made you snack mix.
Oh okay, I made you ranch.

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Usually you can do this. Everyone
out there has probably made this at some

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point, But it's like spicy ranch
crackers. You take ranch and a couple

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packages of ranch and some dill weed
and garlic and onion salt, and you

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have made it so much oil.
I haven't made it in a while because

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I just I'm the only one hitting
you eat. But this time, lick.

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What the fun things I put in
there? Can you see? Kind

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of? Yeah, we usually have
a pretty pretty full snack pantry, so

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there's bugles and cheese. It's and
I put some pretzels in there. I

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put some mini club crackers and there
are some oyster crackers too, like Tina's

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own check spicks. You know,
I love an empty calorie. Do you

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want to take a quick break and
try this? Yeah? For sure?

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Well that was really good? Oh
you liked that good? I did?

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Yeah. I wish I would have
put more red pepper flakes in it to

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make it a little spicier. But
I think it's perfect. I think it's

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good. Yeah. I did skimp
on the oil. I kind of doubled

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it. And you're supposed to use
three quarters cup of oil. Really yeah,

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like I am not using a cup
and a half of oil. I

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probably only used half a cup,
and I think it's still pretty. I

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think it's good, perfect, good, glad you like it. Watch tonight

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when you are watching the NC Double
A game. The Yeah Oakland Golden Grizzlies

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of Oakland University, your alma mater, undergrad alma mater. Yeah, they're

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in the second round of the tournament, which is unheard of. Wild.

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It was very excited for you.
Yeah, I'm not like the big into

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it. But we talked about this
on our Patreon episodes and apologize to our

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patreons, but yeah, that was
first time they've ever won an NC Double

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A tournament game. That's amazing.
Well, today, when this episode is

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released, the final game will be
on tonight. I'm guessing right. I

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think that's right. Yeah, surely
you must have her prediction. Well I

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don't, and please stop calling me. Surely, I if I had to,

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I'm not like, I'm not very
knowledgeable about college basketball. I'm very

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much a like I'll watch March Madness, but that's it. But if this

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year, yeah, they're not in
it. Kind of shocking status though.

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Yeah, Michigan State's in it,
which I don't really care about. Oakland

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University is in it. But if
I had to make a prediction. I'm

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going to say University of Connecticut.
It's a safe it's a safe prediction.

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I think who in the final game. Oh, I don't know. There's

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good I didn't look. I didn't
look closely enough in the bracket to know

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who they might be playing, which
is Zay Oakland? Okay, yeah,

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is that an university? We don't
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depends on the bracket. We really
wanted to do like a mean that we

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didn't get to it. We'll do
it next year. Yeah, I'm going

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to make you commit to doing it
next year because logistically we didn't even know

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how we would do what we were
going to do. We were going to

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call it like March meanness. I
think March monstrousness. Oh gosh, okay,

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all right, well we have a
whole year to fight about it.

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Yeah. But yeah, we're just
going to do like brackets with like the

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most horrible people that we've talked about
people. Yeah, we were both going

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to pick sixteen people, but by
next year we'll have even more. Yeah,

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we'll do sixty four. Who do
you think would win? Oh?

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Boy, there's so many horrible,
horrible people that we've talked about, maybe

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today's I was just going to say, that's a great segue, because Chris

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Coleman is right up there with the
worst people we've talked about. Yeah,

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he is kind of the original Chris
Watts. Oh yeah. Not all chris

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Is are bad, not all Peterson's
are bad, but you know, these

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these two chriss are pretty horrible.
On May fifth, two thousand and nine,

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Detective Justin Barlow was awakened by his
ringing cell phone at a quarter to

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seven in the morning in Columbia,
Illinois. He'd already been awakened once that

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night by his six month old baby. His neighbor, Chris Coleman, was

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calling. Chris couldn't get a hold
of his family, and he was worried.

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Chris's wife, Sherry, and their
two sons, Garrett eleven and Gavin,

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nine, should have been awake and
getting ready for their day by now.

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Chris had left to work out that
morning at a gym just over the

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state line in Saint Louis, Missouri. Columbia, Illinois, where the Colemans

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lived, is fifteen miles south of
Saint Louis. Chris was about ten minutes

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from his home when he made the
worried call to his neighbor. Chris Coleman

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worked for joyce Meyer Ministries as head
of security. In November, he had

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received some threatening emails. He had
also received two typewritten letters in his mailbox,

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one in January and one more recently
at the end of April. The

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messages advised Chris to quit his job
and publicly renounced joyce Meyer Ministries, or

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else his family would be killed.
He didn't comply with the threats. He

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called them a hoax. Justin was
aware of the threat to the Coleman family.

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He had told Chris to call him
if there was ever anything he could

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do to help. After the call
from Chris, he quickly dressed and left

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his house to go check on the
Colemans. He called the police station for

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backup. He rang the doorbell once
and waited. A squad car pulled up

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at six fifty three am as Justin
rang the doorbell for a second time.

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Still no answer. Justin thought Chris
should have returned home by then. From

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the bridge to the Columbia Lake Subdivision
was only seven minutes away. Wouldn't Chris

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be driving as fast as he could
to get home to his family one with

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them. I think if he was
worried about them. A uniformed officer,

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Jason don John, walked around the
house and found a basement window open with

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the screen removed. Justin joined him
at the basement window, and they decided

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to enter the house through the window. They didn't see anything amiss in the

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dark basement. The two officers crept
up the basement stairs that led to the

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kitchen, guns drawn, they detected
the sharp, acrid odor of paint on

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a wall of family photos in the
kitchen. Someone had written over them fuck

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you I'm always watching and read spray
paint. Another wall was painted with I

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saw you leave. There was yet
another message on the living room wall,

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fuck you bitch punished. A final
message painted on the wall going up the

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stairs to the second floor said you
have paid. Oh sounds ominous, m

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hmmm. A third officer, Steve
Patten, arrived at the house the same

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time as Chris Coleman at six fifty
six a m officer. Patten told Chris

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to stay outside. Freeofficers didn't find
anything out of place on the first floor

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other than the spray painted messages,
and they went up the stairs the first

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room. They encountered was eleven year
old Garrett's room. He appeared to be

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sleeping soundly with the covers pulled up
around his body, but a closer look

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revealed his complexion was gray and his
lips were blue. He appeared to have

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ligature marks around his neck, and
he was cold to the touch. Red

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spray paint stained his blanket. They
walked down the hall to find nine year

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old Gavin lying face down on his
bed, wearing Spider Man pajamas. He

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was also covered with blankets and had
red ligature marks on his neck. The

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words fuck you were spray painted on
his blanket. Both boys appeared to have

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been dead for several hours. Their
mother and Chris's wife, Sherry thirty one,

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was found in bed in the primary
bedroom. She too was dead.

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Her limbs were stiffening as rigor mortis
sat in. Her skin was mottled and

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purple, indicating that liver mortise the
pulling or settling of blood had also set

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in. Cherry had double ligature marks
around her neck, a large bruise on

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her left eye, and a less
prominent bruise on her right eye. The

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three officers were sickened and shocked by
what they saw Chris had been waiting outside

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for them, but grew impatient.
The stunt officers heard him enter the house

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and yell, what's going on?
How were they going to break the horrible

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news to this poor man that they
had failed him and some sick person had

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killed his beautiful family. Well,
you already kind of gave the spoiler of

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who might be responsible for this,
But that's really horrible, especially those kids.

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Yeah, it's a horrible story.
Erry Weiss was born on July third,

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nineteen seventy seven, in Berwin,
Illinois, to high school sweethearts Angela

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and Don Weiss. Her brother Mario
was born two years earlier. The family

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moved from apartment to apartment until they
settled in Cicero, on the outskirts of

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Chicago. Angela and Don were barely
out of high school, but they were

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great parents. Angela put the children
in every activity in spae she could find.

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She even started the PTA in Mario
and Sherry school. The kids had

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a happy childhood, growing up in
a diverse neighborhood full of kids to play

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with. Cherry was bright with a
sunny disposition. Mario was smart and more

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introverted than Sherry. He was a
great big brother and protected her fiercely.

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He wasn't a violent kid, but
he would throw punches if necessary to defend

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his sister's honor. The family moved
to Largo, Florida, in nineteen eighty

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eight, when the kids were twelve
and ten, after Don took a job

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there. The kids missed their old
neighborhood, but Sherry adapted and was quick

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to make friends. Mario was slower
to adjust. Cherry was a cheerleader in

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high school and also played softball and
was in the drama club. Cherry attended

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the Barbizon School for modeling, but
she was only five feet tall and she

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was told she was too short to
be a model. Cherry was a big

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sports fan. You could take the
girl out of Chicago, but she's always

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going to be in Asper at Stowe. I've heard she loved the Bulls and

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the white Sox. I didn't know
they were any white Sox. I know

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that thought every Chicago person was a
Cubs fan. Yeah, no, there's

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two Chicago baseball teams. There are
white Sox fans out there. When her

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favorite player, Michael Jordan, tried
his hand at baseball for a season,

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Cherry went to watch him at training
camp. Do you remember that? Oh?

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Yeah, can I forget? Yeah? She brought flowers for Michael.

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She gave them to an assistant to
give to Michael after practice. Serry got

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the thrill of her life when after
the game, Michael pulled up next to

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her in his corvette and thanked her
for the flowers. Angie and Don's marriage,

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once so strong, crumbled when Sherry
was a senior in high school.

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Cherry and Mario blamed Don for the
breakup of their family and refused to speak

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to him. He didn't have an
affair, but as middle age crept up

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on him, he wanted to see
what else life had to offer. Cherry

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graduated from high school in nineteen eighty
five, and to the shock and surprise

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of her family, she joined the
Air Force. Why was that shocking to

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them? Does she just not seem
like the military type? I think it

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just kind of came the blue.
Christopher Coleman was born on March twentieth,

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nineteen seventy seven, in Percy,
Illinois, to Ron and Connie Coleman.

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He has two younger brothers, Brad
and Keith. The Colman family has deep

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roots in Percy. They came from
a long line of coal miners on both

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sides. Chris's grandparents were coal miners
and farmers. His paternal grandfather also served

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as mayor of Percy for two terms. Young men would graduate from high school

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and then head to the mines for
work. After graduation, ron Coleman worked

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in the mines for a time,
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He and some friends formed a new
Methodist church in Belleville, Illinois,

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about an hour away. As their
church grew, they refurbished an old tavern

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called the Nighthawk in Chester, Illinois
and renamed it Grace Bible Church. It

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was a lively congregation. People frequently
broke out speaking in tongues, even Chris,

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do you remember the time we saw
someone speaking in to I'll never forget

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it. Our friends, our good
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they got intertwined with this coldish religion. We were trying to support them and

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we went to this it was called
a sands and we witnessed people. I

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just remember one lady was there more
than one lady, I just remember one

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also. But it was pretty freaky. It was really freaky, and I

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mean, I'm not sure if it's
real or not it seemed. I don't

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know. That was such a strange
situation. It was very strange. I

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don't know what else to say about
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The whole thing freaked us out.
It some day we'll someday we'll do

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a story time and go into more
detail on that. I think, yeah,

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I think we promised that before.
But it was one of the weirdest

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experiences of our life. It's all
like, guess I have to say about

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it. Ron Chris's dad lacked the
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but he was determined to succeed.
Looking for ends inspiration, Ron began

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driving to Saint Louis to see evangelical
preacher Joyce Meyer, who had become a

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dynamic force among the community. She
was relatable and direct. The people loved

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her. The Grace Bible Church continued
to grow. By nineteen ninety four,

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they were able to build a new
church. Ron was promoted from part time

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pastor to full time. Ron wasn't
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he was kind and loyal, and
his church slowly grew. He was able

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to quit the coal mine and the
family moved to Chester to be closer to

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their church. Chester, Illinois,
is a small town of about eight thousand

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located in southwest Illinois, about sixty
miles south of Saint Louis. Chester is

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home to Elsie Seeger, creator of
the comic Popeye, who was born there

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in eighteen ninety four. Popeye was
not born there, was Elsie was born

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there? Yes, Okay. The
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with statues throughout the downtown honoring Popeye, Olive Oil, and Wimpy, who

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are all based on real people from
Chester. Each fall in Chester, a

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Popeye parade and picnic are held honoring
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Yeah, it was really cute,
and it's not far so. My dad

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lives in southern Illinois too, and
we have made many trips. This is

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further north where my dad lives,
on the very tip of southern Illinois.

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But Metropolis. I was gonna mention
that we used to go to Metropolis,

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which is basically a big homage to
Supermanly. That was a cute little town

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too. Chester is also home to
the Menard Correctional Facility, the second oldest

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and the largest maximum security prison in
Illinois, which used to house Illinois's Death

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Row inmates. There are at least
thirteen churches in Chester, very religious community,

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it sounds like it. Chris attended
Chester High School. He was a

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good kid, well liked by all, and unlike his brothers, not a

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troublemaker. He was the golden child
of the family. His mother said the

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worst words she ever heard him say
was piss Chris pretty bad. Chris played

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football and baseball Charlie Maddingly. His
coach said, quote, you couldn't ask

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for a better kid. He was
very kind. He was a team player.

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I hardly ever saw him lose his
temper. He went out one night

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and had drunk a little bit.
His parents were out of town, and

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he felt so guilty. He called
his high school basketball coach and confessed.

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Chris struggled with his confidence, though, when a Marine came to his high

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school, Chris was impressed with his
confidence and poise. After high school,

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Chris enlisted in the Marines. While
stationed in Quantico, he met Sherry Coleman

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while working in the canine unit.
After basic training, Sherry was assigned to

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the canine unit in Quantico, Virginia. She and her German shepherd patrolled the

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base. Cherry had an adventurous,
spunky spirit and loved making new friends in

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the Air Force. A few months
into her job, she met Chris Coleman,

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a fellow canine officer. They quickly
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became pregnant in September nineteen ninety seven, just a few months into the relationship.

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She and Chris twenty two decided to
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life together in southern Illinois, where
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Sharry and Chris drove to his parents'
house. Chris introduced her as a

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good friend instead of fiance. Sensing
their disapproval, Oh boy, he told

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his parents that he was driving her
to Chicago to visit her family. Years

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later, Ron Coleman said of the
meeting, quote, we didn't pick up

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anything except she was a worldly little
girl, little short shorts, tattoo on

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her leg. Not the person we
thought he'd be with. So that's not

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very complimentary. No, I wonder
how Sherry felt about that. And when

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Ron said this, Sheherry had already
passed, So just they were pretty horrible

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to her. Yeah, here's Connie
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with Shay, Sorry, what did
you think? Surprise, surprise, I

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was surprised. I wasn't impressed one
or the other. She was just a

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little blondeheaded girl to me, a
little blonde headed girl. So again,

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this is after Sharry had passed.
These people had they didn't have a lot

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of nice things to say about Sherry, and Sherry was lovely. Yeah,

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Angela and Mario, Sherry's mother and
brother had recently moved back to Illinois from

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Florida. Scherry was excited to introduce
her family to Chris. Unfortunately, that

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meeting did not go well. Mario
took an instant dislike to Chris and found

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him off putting, distant, and
boring. Mario tried to talk his sister

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out of marrying Chris. Neither had
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this point. A few days later, Sharry and Chris went to Chicago City

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Hall and quietly got married, just
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hours to their new home in Perry, Illinois. The town of only one

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thousand was a coal mining town that
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They waited a month to tell their
families that they were expecting a baby.

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You can imagine the Coleman's happy.
Although Sheherry had been baptized Catholic,

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she wasn't particularly religious. She was
a free spirit. Life in southern Illinois

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centered around the church. While the
Colemans weren't thrilled at their son's choice of

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wife, they were pleased that she
was malleable and willing to attend church with

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them. Sharry took to the New
Church as if she'd always been an evangelical

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Christian. She was baptized in nineteen
ninety eight and soon was also speaking in

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tongues. Chris began working at the
Chester Mental Health Center as a security therapy

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aid. On April thirtieth, nineteen
ninety eight, Sharry and Chris welcomed their

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first son, Garrett Dominic. He
was his father's image. Sharry doated on

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her new son. Have you heard
of Joyce Meyer before this? No?

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I don't think so. I don't
think I had either. But she is

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definitely a major player in the televangelist
community. So she was not just a

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Southern Illinois oh, she is worldwide. Ron and Connie Coleman were friendly with

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Joyce Meyer Joyce had a new dog
that she needed help training, and Ron

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and Connie mentioned their son had trained
dogs in the Marines. Joyce hired Chris

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to train her new dog. Impressed
with his work ethic, she offered him

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a job in her security department.
He was soon promoted to head of security.

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A great job for such a young
man. Here's a clip of Joy's

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talking about her ministry and how she
hired Chris. We have a large teaching

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ministry that goes around the world by
television and radio, and we have large

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show outreaches around the world to the
poor and the needy. Lot of orphanages

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and support hospitals and medical programs and
things like that for the underprivileged. How

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many employees do you think you have
worldwide? About nine hundred and we'll get

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right to the point. Do you
know the defendant in this case, Christopher

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Coleman? Yes, I did.
How long have you known him? Since

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he was a little boy? And
how was that his parents came to some

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conferences that I did over in Illinois. I did a weekly meeting over there,

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and his mother came to it brought
him with him. Now, at

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some point did he become an employee
of Joyce Meyer's ministry. Yes he did.

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And about when was that probably about
nineteen ninety eight, so in through

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two thousand and nine he was with
you about eleven years, is that correct?

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What kind of employee was he?
What was his responsibilities there? He

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was in the security department? Was
he in general security? Did he move

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up through the ranks? What happened
with that? If I remember correctly,

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he started in general security, and
then he became the supervisor of that department,

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and then one a personal security person
that I had left our employee.

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We offered Chris that job and he
took it. Defendant huh I mentioned that

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was from a deposition. The deposition
could have been from any number of legal

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Okay. Chris overhauled and modernized the
whole security tail and hired a team of

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his choosing made up of former police
officers and military. Chris was excellent at

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his job. He ran the campus
and knew exactly where everyone was at all

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times. When Joyce traveled to her
speaking engagements, Chris traveled with her to

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scope out the venue and ensure her
safety. And Chris at this time,

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he was like twenty three, twenty
four. He's very young. That's pretty

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impressive. Joyce Meyer Ministries was located
in Fenton, Missouri, a long joy

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for Chris. The Colemans moved to
Afton, Missouri, a suburb of Saint

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Louis soon after he got the job, to a furnished three bedroom house that

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was on the ministry campus. Cherry
gave birth to the couple's second son,

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Gavin Christopher, in January of two
thousand. He looked just like his big

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brother, but he had Cherry's bubbly
personality. Garrett was more introverted, but

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Gavin was a little more rampunctious and
outgoing. Okay, Soon after, Chris

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got a vasectomy. He was about
twenty three twenty four, which is pretty

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young to make that decision. Yeah, Scherry wanted more children, but Chris

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was like, I'm done. Cherry
also began working for the ministry, closely

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with Joyce Meyer. She went on
a life changing trip to India. She

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was forever changed by the hunger and
suffering she saw during her visit. She

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set her mind to returning someday with
the ability to help more people. Cherry

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was proud of the life that she
and Chris had built together, and she

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wanted her parents to be proud of
her too. In two thousand and two,

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she decided to test the waters with
her father. They hadn't spoken since

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her parents' divorce. She sent him
an email. Don still lived in Florida

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and was engaged. He was ecstatic
to hear from his daughter. He didn't

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even know that he was a grandfather. Don asked if he and his fiancee,

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Deborah could come for a visit,
and Sherry agreed. The reunion went

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great, better than anyone expected.
Don wasn't sure about his son in law,

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though, he was so quiet and
expressionless that he was hard to read.

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Despite the Coleman's involvement with Joyce Meyer, they still drove to Chester every

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weekend to attend church with Chris's parents
at Grace Church. George Wise, a

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co worker of Chris's who was in
charge of communications at Joyce Meyer, worked

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in the office right next to Chris. He thought Chris was wound a little

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too tight, he said quote.
He was staunch and direct in his bearing,

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very spiffy and military like. He
definitely didn't have a friendly demeanor.

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He was also a perfectionist and very
tightly wrapped. He struck me as being

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potentially explosive. The kind of guy
who was always struggling to keep his temper

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under control. He'd get upset over
seemingly minor things, like somebody being on

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a computer when they weren't supposed to
be unquote. Some people thought Chris's power

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had gone to his head. He
was arrogant and off putting to his co

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workers, but he was proud of
how efficient the campus ran, and he

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knew Joyce Smyer was safe in his
hands. He didn't care what other people

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thought of him. Often, Chris's
job required him to travel with Joyce for

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a week or two at a time. Joyce Smyer liked to shop. Chris

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would carry her bags. Sometimes she'd
buy him expensive things. I guess I'm

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pretty close to Joyce because I know
her bra and panty size, He'd liked

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to tell people on these trips he
served as Joyce's bodyguard. Chris had bulked

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up over the years and was now
one hundred and ninety pounds of lean muscle.

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He'd shaved his head because he thought
it made him look tougher. There

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were rumors that he had a little
help from steroids to get his new muscles.

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I think Chris looked like an idiot
with his shaved head. Oh really,

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I just hate him. He's a
horrible person. That's all I'm going

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to say. Okay, that's all
I'm going to do. It's not all

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i'm gonna say for now, though. Joyce Smyer had been a rising star

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in the evangelical movement for the past
two decades. Growing up in Saint Louis,

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she was a victim of sexual abuse
by her father. Her first marriage,

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at the age of eighteen, ended
in a after five years. As

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a young divorcee, she frequented bars
and had one night stands until she settled

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down and married her second husband,
Dave Meyer, in nineteen sixty seven.

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They've been married ever since, and
they have four children together. In nineteen

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seventy six, Joyce said she heard
God calling her. She became drunk with

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the spirit of God and never looked
back. She started teaching Bible classes at

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her church, then began a successful
Bible study radio show. She became an

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associate pastor at her church, Life
Christian Center, until she founded her own

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ministry in nineteen eighty five, called
Life in the Word, which eventually became

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Joyce Meyer Ministries. Along with her
daily radio show, she began a TV

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show, Enjoying Everyday Life that became
nationally syndicated. Her ministry's annual revenue is

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over one hundred million dollars. I
should say that that was estimated from like

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twenty years ago. It's much bigger
now, I'm sure a lot. She

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has won people over with her plainspokenness
and self deprecating humor. She has empowered

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millions of people, mostly women,
to accept God into their lives. Joyce

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isn't without critics, lots of them. She believes in prosperity Gospel, which

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advocates for accumulating material wealth and riches. She preaches that the more money you

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send to her ministry, the more
you will prosper God has made her rich,

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she says, and there's no reason
to think that he won't make you

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rich. Also, if you stay
in your faith, you are going to

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get paid. She once told an
audience in Detroit, I'm living now in

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my reward. Joyce Meyer Ministries sits
on a fifty two acre campus in Fenton,

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Missouri, just outside of Saint Louis. The complex contains one hundred and

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fifty thousand square foot office building,
a thirty five thousand foot distribution center and

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a five thousand foot garage. In
two thousand and two, Joyce's headquarters was

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valued at twenty million dollars. The
interior is filled with another six million dollars

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of extravagant furnishings. Joyce owns multiple
homes valued in the millions of dollars,

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a ten million dollar private jet,
a fleet of cars, and extensive art

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and jewelry collections. She employs a
full time hairstylist, and her four children

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live in luxurious homes paid for by
the ministry. Her home in Saint Louis

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is said to be valued at twenty
million dollars. Joyce employs about nine hundred

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people. A battle has raged for
years between Joyce and the state of Missouri

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about the Ministry's tax exempt status.
The tax code states that religious leaders,

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homes, salaries, and perks must
be reasonable to keep their tax free status.

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Religious groups are given liberties that other
nonprofits don't enjoy. They don't have

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to prove their charitable contributions, and
they don't have to report their earnings.

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But Joyce is adamant that she is
exempt from paying taxes. She doesn't defend

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her spaced habits because quote there's no
need for us to apologize for being blessed.

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Unquote. She once said, quote, you can be a businessman here

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in Saint Louis, and people think
the more you have, the more wonderful

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it is. But if you're a
preacher, then all of a sudden,

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it becomes a problem. End quote. We mentioned Joyce's lifestyle just to say

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that she had enemies and people that
consider her to be a fraud and a

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scam artist. There's a lot of
money. It's a lot of money bringing

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in Yeah. Yeah, it is
hard to reconcile it. We're not here

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to comfort religion at all. But
you know, if your minister has a

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private jet and multiple million dollar homes, you know that would raise my brains.

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You're living in you know again,
if you're asking me to give you

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money every week and wait and she
I believe. She preaches like give till

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it hurts and it'll come back to
you in space. Right. She does

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bring in a lot of money,
but some of the money goes to charitable

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causes and she supports other ministries and
people around the world. Right, We'll

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be right back after a break.
Joyce Meyer was thrilled with the initiative and

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professionalism of Chris Coleman. In two
thousand and four, he was making an

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impressive seventy six thousand dollars a year, which is about one hundred and twenty

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00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.680
five thousand dollars today. He and
Cherry bought a nice house in Colombia,

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Illinois. They moved to a newly
developed area of Columbia called Columbia Lakes.

445
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It was a fifteen minute drive across
the bridge to Saint Louis. They moved

446
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into a five year old neat two
story white house with black shutters on Robert

447
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:44.359
Drive. The new neighborhood was a
perfect fit for the Colemans, with lots

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00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:49.440
of other young families. Cherry quickly
made friends with many neighbors. Chris was

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more reserved and slower to make friends. His busiest schedule didn't help. Cherry

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was also moving quickly through the ranks
at Joyce Meyer Ministries. She got a

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job working in the IT department.
Between the boys, her job, friends,

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and church, Cherry was busy.
Her father Don invited her to his

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wedding in Florida. She'd said she
would go, but was a no show

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00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:14.359
on the big day. Don was
hurt and the father and daughter had another

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falling out that lasted sadly until the
end of Sherry's life. Cherry went to

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Chicago as much as she could to
see her family. She had tried hard

457
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to be accepted into the Coleman family, but whatever she did, she fell

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short of their expectations and never quite
won their approval or love. Which is

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00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:36.640
crazy, because everyone adored Sherry.
She was sweet, kind, fun,

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00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.079
hard working, and a great friend
and mother. Cherry wasn't a pushover and

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tried to be confident and true to
herself, which maybe what irked her in

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00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.920
laws. In Ron's Grace Church,
he had become more aggressive in his preaching

463
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.680
and with his parishioners. This is
my church. He'd say, if you

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don't like the way I'm running things, then you can leave. Or perhaps

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he'd use his favorite line, which
was also my mom's favorite line, if

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you don't like it here, there's
the door. Don't let it hit you

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00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.440
on the butt on your way out. Connie had also become a pastor,

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and together they ran their church with
tight control. They were more aggressive than

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00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.599
nurturing with their flock. If anyone
had a gall to leave the church,

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they were ostracized. There was a
rumor that joyce Meyer had given the Colemans

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one hundred thousand dollars to help pay
off the mortgage on Greece Church. For

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a person who hadn't attended church much
in her younger life, it became the

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focal point of Sherry's life. She
was a devoted Christian now. In the

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spring of two thousand and six,
Scherry began attending the non denominational Destiny Church.

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It was a small, understated cinder
block building, but it felt like

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home to Sherry and Chris and the
boys began worshiping with her at Destiny Church.

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In two thousand and seven, Scharry
left her job at joyce Meyer Ministries

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for an opportunity to work with Phil
Stern, the pastor of Destiny Church.

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She worked as a receptionist and and
helped plan missions to Asia and Latin America.

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Cherry also began training to be an
EMT, following through with the promise

481
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she had made to herself during her
trip to India. She saw the dire

482
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.840
need for medical care in some of
the countries she visited and wanted to help

483
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:21.719
save lives. So Sherry super busy
lady Lots Going on two thousand and eight

484
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would prove to be a trying year
for the Colemans. In January, Sherry

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grew tired of being a single parent
half of the time and asked Chris to

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quit his job. He agreed initially, the boys, now eight and ten,

487
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.920
were growing up fast and he was
missing it. Gavin and Garrett were

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sweet, active boys. They loved
sports and wrestling each other. They were

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well disciplined. Cherry was the permissive
parent and Chris was the disciplinarian. No

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00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.480
one ever witnessed Chris being physical with
the boys, but all it took was

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00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.880
a stern look from him for their
behavior to change in a split second.

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Garrett and Gavin both played baseball and
football. Chris loved watching their games and

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helping to coach their teams. With
his demanding travel schedule, he missed the

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bulk of their seasons. He had
been thinking of starting his own surveillance business,

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00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:10.280
and the timing seemed right, but
he'd received another raise from Joyce and

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00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.639
decided to hang on a little longer. Joyce and her adult children took advantage

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of Chris, and he sometimes did
menial tasks for them, like shoveling their

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driveways. His request, I mean
Joyce had someone to do everything for.

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It surprised me that she asked him
that his requests for a time off were

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often denied because Joyce only felt safe
when Chris was with her. During her

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travels, he began to be disgusted
by Joyce Meyer and the way she spent

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the heart, hard earned money of
her supporters. It bothered him to see

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00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:46.559
people with modest incomes fork over a
hefty percentage of their paycheck to the ministry.

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00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.480
Most of her supporters came from very
modest means. Chris appeared to be

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a good father and husband when he
was in town. Neighbors often saw him

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00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:59.679
playing catch with the boys in the
yard. Chris and Sherry went on frequent

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00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:04.440
date nights with other couples and always
seemed happy together. One night, though,

508
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.320
they were getting into a hot toue
with some friends and they noticed that

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Sherry had several bruises on her arms
and legs. Chris had confided in a

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00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.000
friend that the couple were deep in
debt. Shecherry liked a shop and it

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00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.960
was nothing for her to charge one
thousand dollars on her credit card on one

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afternoon of shopping. Chris said he
was thinking about divorce. He felt trapped

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in his marriage and had married Cherry
only because she was pregnant. He told

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00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.239
a friend that he had never loved
her, which is a horrible thing to

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say. Yeah. In summer of
two thousand and eight, while Chris was

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on a trip, Sherry confided in
her friend Megan that Chris had beat her

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up pretty badly. She told Sherry
that she and the boys could stay with

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her, but Sherry brushed it off
and said they were okay, things would

519
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:50.320
get better. She was determined to
stay with Chris and work on their marriage.

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For Sherry, divorce was completely off
the table. In October, Chris

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planned to travel to Tampa Bay,
Florida with Joyce Meyer. Cherry's best friend

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from high school lived in the arre. Tara Lynce was divorced and worked at

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00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.639
a dog track as a cocktail waitress. She had previously worked at a gentleman's

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00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:13.079
club. Scherry thought that Tara could
benefit from hearing Joyce Meyers speak and recommended

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00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.000
that she attend the conference. Oh
boy, I have a bad feeling where

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00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.760
this is going. Chris arrived in
town a couple of days before the conference.

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He called Tara and asked her to
meet him for dinner and drinks.

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They had known each other a little
bit previously. I believe Tara accepted the

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invitation. They met for dinner the
first night, and then every night after.

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Chris extended his trip to spend more
time in Florida with Tara. Before

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the end of the week, Chris
and Tara had proclaimed their love for each

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other. Chris, to put it
simply, was obsessed. He was like

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00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:47.440
a teenager in love. They both
were. Tara was wild and uninhibited.

534
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.559
She didn't have any children, and
Chris became the focus of her world too.

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00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.960
Was Tara really in love with Chris
or was she enjoying stealing her friend's

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00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.840
husband and spoiling her perfect life in
high school? Sherry had gotten all the

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00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.440
guys, and now it might be
time for Tara to even the score.

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Chris created a document on his computer
titled All About Tara. In it,

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00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.000
he listed everything he had learned about
Tara in the past week, all of

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00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:20.880
her favorite things, her sizes,
passwords, their sexual fantasies together, and

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00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.079
even the name of their future daughter, oh boy, zoe Lynn Coleman,

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which would entail Chris traversing his dyseectomy. They planned to get married within a

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00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:35.159
year in Florida, and then Tara
would move to the Saint Louis area so

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Chris could keep his job with Joyce
Meyer. They had a plan all right,

545
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:43.039
but the problem was that Chris was
already married with a wife and two

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00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.519
children, and Joyce Meyer didn't believe
in divorce. That is a problem.

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So they named So they've been together
for like a week or two weeks,

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00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:58.000
and they they they're naming their children, and it's that's a little a little

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00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.880
fast. Well it's immature too.
We're going to have a daughter and we're

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going to name Zoe. Yeah,
that seems like something a fifteen year old

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would do, right. Yeah.
In November, Chris received the following email,

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Fuck Chris's family, they are dead. I'm sure this will make it

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00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.920
to someone in the company. If
you jackasses are like any other company,

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00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:21.480
this will be someone's account. Pass
this on to Chris. Tell Joyce to

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00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.880
stop preaching the bullshit, or Chris's
family will die. If I can't get

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00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:28.480
to Joyce, then I will get
to someone close to her. And if

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00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.159
I can't get to him, then
I will kill his wife and kids.

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00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.800
I know Joyce's schedule, so then
I know Chris's schedule. If Joyce doesn't

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00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.840
quit preaching the bullshit, then they
will die during the Houston conference. I

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00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.480
will kill them all as they sleep. If I don't hit there, then

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I will kill them during the book
tour or the trip to India. I

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00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.480
know where he lives and I know
they are alone. Fuck them all and

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00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.519
they will soon die. Tell that
motherfucker next time to let me talk to

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Joyce. She needs to hear what
I have to say, and now she

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00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:05.280
will. Oh language that was pretty
fierce, I'll say. The email was

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00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:09.039
sent individually to Chris, Joyce,
and her family members. The next day,

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00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:14.360
another threatening, rage filled email was
sent to the same parties. It

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00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.360
said, I know you all got
my fucking email. You think I am

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00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.239
full of shit? Just wait,
I will shoot their asses with my forty

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00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.559
kill them all. I am so
sick of bitches like her taking everyone's cash

571
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.199
so she can fly her jet and
pamper her white ass. Fuck you all.

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Tell Chris I will kill them.
He has no idea when, but

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00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.840
it will happen. I'm sure you
motherfuckers are going to try putting your pussy

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00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.639
ass security team at the house or
police whatever. I kill them. That

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I am coming after Chris, then
you, Danny, then David. I

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00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.920
may not be able to get to
Joyce, but I'll get the rest of

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you motherfuckers. Fuck you all.
I know when you read these, just

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00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.760
wait, you will see fuck you
all. Tell that bitch Joyce to give

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00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.280
my money back and talk to me, and this will all stop. Until

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00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.199
then everyone will die, starting with
Chris's wife and kids. I know his

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00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.519
fucking schedule. Every time Joyce is
gone, he is gone. You motherfuckers

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00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:12.199
are probably wondering how I got your
emails, you stupid fucks, just like

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00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:16.159
every company, so fucking predictable,
dumb asses. Okay, I'm sorry,

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00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.239
but I feel like it was important
that we read those. Yeah, there's

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more than I've sworn in the last
three years combined, twenty years probably.

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00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.239
So who else would you go after? Then? You know? The security

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00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:34.360
guy? Yeah? Like and how
would they know his scheduled? Like it's

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00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.880
the whole thing is just ridiculous.
Yeah, seems a little uh questionable.

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00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.320
Like if you have a problem with
the minister, you know, go after

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00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.079
the minister, go after the minister's
family, not this random guy. How

591
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.800
would they even know Joyce's security guy's
name? Yeah? And his wife and

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00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.679
you know family. Why would anyone
want to kill his wife and his family.

593
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:58.000
Well, Joyce had her enemies,
so it was not altogether shocking,

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00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.320
but nothing like this had ever happened
before. The ministry wasn't sure if the

595
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.960
threats were legitimate. Chris reported the
emails to the police and they assured him

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00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:10.639
that they would include his house in
their nightly patrols. Joyce had offered to

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00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.559
pay for a security system for the
Colemans, but Chris declined. He said

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00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.519
Sherry owned a gun and she wasn't
afraid to use it. It seems a

599
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.719
bit strange that he would decline an
offer a very nice offer to provide him

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00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.800
a security system when he is traveling
all over the place. You know,

601
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.280
Yeah, he's not there to defend
his wife and kids. He's the security

602
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.199
guy, right, and you would
think the security guy would want to make

603
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.760
his family the most secure place of
all. Yeah, for sure. Meanwhile,

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00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:43.119
Chris and Tara texted each other NonStop
all day and night. Chris took

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00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:46.400
to sleeping in the basement so he
could send and receive Tara's explicit messages till

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00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:51.639
the early morning hours. He was
all but done with his marriage to Sherry.

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00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.719
On November twenty fifth, two thousand
and eight, Chris told Sherry he

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00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:59.800
was divorcing her, three weeks after
he and Tara had begun their relationship.

609
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.000
He told Sherry he was tired of
fighting and that being married had gotten the

610
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.159
way of doing his job. Sherry
was confused and heartbroken. She knew her

611
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:12.320
marriage was troubled, but she would
do anything she could to save it.

612
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.440
She made an anonymous prayer request at
Destiny Church for members to pray for her

613
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:21.440
marriage. A couple of weeks later, the pastor to whom she'd made the

614
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:25.559
prayer request received the following text from
Sherry. Quote, just want to let

615
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.559
you know it's going to be okay
with Chris and me. He's got some

616
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:31.679
things to work through, but he's
willing to work it out. Thanks for

617
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.960
your prayers. It's going to be
super tough, but it will work.

618
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:40.000
Unquote. Sherry was optimistic, but
Chris had no intention of staying in the

619
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:45.920
marriage. Just before Christmas, Chris
accompanied Joyce to Florida. He assured her

620
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.960
safety aboard a cruise ship, and
then met Tara in Orlando and they went

621
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:57.119
to a NKOTB concert. I don't
know what NKOTB is no new kids on

622
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.880
the block. Okay, I got
Chris and Tara exchanged promise rings for Christmas?

623
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:06.159
Oh my god, hey go,
so these two they really are like

624
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.599
fifteen year old Sherry left home alone
again with the boys, pondered the state

625
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:15.119
of her marriage. She began to
think that Chris was having an affair.

626
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.760
She couldn't help, but wonder if
he was having an affair with Joyce.

627
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.559
He was so loyal to her and
wouldn't quit. Joyce was well into her

628
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:27.519
sixties, but she didn't know who
else it could be. Cherry reached out

629
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.960
to her oldest friend for support.
She told Tara all about her deepest fears.

630
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.239
Tara was a sympathetic year Oh boy, I bet yeah, I bet

631
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.840
she was. You know, it's
the worst when that happens, Like when

632
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.920
the best friend is involved and they're
like playing the sympathetic party and yeah,

633
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.840
that's pretty sorrels. Meanwhile, Chris's
older brother, Keith, left his wife

634
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.800
for another woman just before Christmas and
Mario, Sherry's brother, was arrested.

635
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:59.840
Sherry was worried he would be sent
to prison. On December twenty first,

636
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.079
Chris called Sherry from Florida and told
her he no longer loved her and wanted

637
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.159
a divorce. He told Sherry that
she and the boys were keeping him from

638
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:13.400
realizing God's destiny for his life.
Cherry told him that there was no way

639
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.599
she would agree to a divorce.
She loved him too much to let him

640
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:20.320
go. She wanted to work on
things. She begged him to go to

641
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.119
marriage counseling, but he refused.
Cherry took the kids and went to Chicago

642
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:29.519
a few days before Christmas. Being
with her family always made her feel better.

643
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.840
She returned home and she and Chris
spent Christmas together, but he was

644
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:38.440
cold and distant. Few words were
exchanged between them. Cherry confided in several

645
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:44.159
friends about her broken heart and Chris's
request for a divorce. She asked many

646
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.400
of her friends from church for prayers
for her marriage. So it's kind of

647
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:52.480
interesting to me that Chris seemed like
he was asking for a divorce, because

648
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.679
you said earlier that he didn't he
wouldn't want to do that because Joyce wouldn't

649
00:46:55.760 --> 00:47:00.119
approve exactly. But he did ask
for a divorce. And yeah, they

650
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:05.559
kept talking about divorce, but I
think he was torn. He was,

651
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.000
like I want a divorce, but
I know I'll lose my job, and

652
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.440
he really I think he had mixed
feelings about the job too. I think

653
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.400
he liked and he was thinking about
starting his own thing as well. Right,

654
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.920
yeah, but he liked the status
of being, you know, Joyce's

655
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.840
security guard. He was got to
travel, right, So yeah, I

656
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:28.199
think he was really torn about what
to do. After the holidays, Chris

657
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.480
received another message from his harassmer.
This time a type letter came in his

658
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:37.159
mailbox and it said, fuck you
deny your God publicly or else, no

659
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:42.440
more opportunities. Time is running out
for you and your family. Have a

660
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:46.360
good time in India, motherfucker.
Like, these letters are so poorly written,

661
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:52.679
and what is the letter writer supposedly
asking for for him to publicly denounce

662
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:59.800
Joyce and just quit his job.
Chris had an upcoming trip to India with

663
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.079
from January fifteenth to the eighteenth.
He took the letter to the Columbia Police

664
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.039
Department and they agreed to make some
additional patrols during his absence, but they

665
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:14.400
really didn't do anything else because remember
he had taken the emails there and they

666
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:21.119
hadn't really done any investigation into them. Cherry continued to ask to attend marriage

667
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.159
counseling, but Chris refused to go. He was adamant that he needed to

668
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:30.159
end the marriage so that he could
realize my true destiny. He was still

669
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.440
sleeping in the basement, but one
night he appeared in Cherry's bedroom for sex.

670
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.559
He told her not to get the
wrong idea, he was just horny.

671
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:43.639
Cherry began to put the pieces together
and suspected that Tara could be the

672
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:49.039
new object of Chris's affection. She
realized that Chris had started talking about divorce

673
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.360
after the trip to Florida. She
knew that Tara was beautiful and seductive and

674
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:58.199
even a little jealous of her life. Scherry didn't like to keep things bottled

675
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.960
up. She shared her suspicion with
several friends about her husband and Tara.

676
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.599
She even said to one friend,
do you want to see a picture of

677
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.880
my husband's new girlfriend? And I
think it was like Tara's picture on Facebook?

678
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.039
In a hail mary attempt Sherry told
Chris's newly single brother Keith, about

679
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:20.119
Tara. She sent him Tara's picture
and encouraged him to reach out to her,

680
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.199
but Tara didn't bite. She was
taken, so she was trying to

681
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:30.360
set up She was yeah, although
so like nothing happened, but months later

682
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:37.679
some nudes of Tara were found on
Keith's phone. Chris told Cherry an old

683
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.960
friend had reached out to him with
Super Bowl tickets and he was planning on

684
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:45.519
going. Scherry knew the game was
being held in Tampa and he would probably

685
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.519
be going with Tara. She tried
to talk him out of going. Sharry

686
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.119
was desperate. She pulled the last
card out of her toolbox to try to

687
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:58.320
salvage her marriage. She contacted Joyce
Meyer. Oh Boy. Chris was called

688
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.320
into a meeting with Joyce the next
day. Joyce convinced him to give marriage

689
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:07.000
counseling a try. He knew he
had no other choice. Joyce would likely

690
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.400
fire or demote him if he got
a divorce. Here's a brief clip of

691
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.639
Joyce talking about the situation. I
have to ask you, if the defendant

692
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.880
were having an affair, if you
had known that at the time, and

693
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.039
I understand you've testified that you didn't, what effect would that have had on

694
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:30.159
his employment? If he would have
been having an adulterous affair while he was

695
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:37.400
still married, then it could have
definitely affected his job. Were there persons

696
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.760
over the years that were terminated in
situations like that, We had situations where

697
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:45.719
they were Yes, and in fact, he was married during the period of

698
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.000
time they'd worked for you, married
to Sherry Coleman. Correct. Yes.

699
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:54.599
Were there other persons who had adulterous
affairs while married whose employment was terminated at

700
00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:00.840
Joyce Meyer Ministry? Yes? For
that reason. Yes, And now I

701
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:02.960
have to ask you about the distinction
here. What if it was a divorce

702
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:09.559
as opposed to an adulterous affair.
Each situation is handled totally separately based on

703
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:14.880
the circumstances. We have many people
that work for us that have been divorced,

704
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:20.199
and a person is not necessarily do
they lose their job because they get

705
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.840
a divorce. It wouldn't have been
the divorce so much as the ammorality.

706
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.559
So, for instance, if a
person in your employment, if their spouse

707
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.960
filed for divorce against them, and
perhaps they had little control over that,

708
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:38.239
you might leave them in your employment. That's possibility. So surprisingly, Chris

709
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:42.840
came home and told Sherry that he
would go to counseling and try to make

710
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:46.559
their marriage work. Sherry felt optimistic
and was confident things were going to get

711
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.760
better. She told him go ahead
and go to Super Bowl. I trust

712
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.360
you. Wow. Cherry sent Chris
a naked selfie while he was at the

713
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.880
game. He was with Tara.
Of course, Tara saw the picture,

714
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.519
grabbed Chris's phone and texted Sherry quote, Honey, you've really got to stop

715
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:08.440
this. I'm not in love with
you anymore. Tara was becoming impatient.

716
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:13.000
She wanted to get married and moved
to Illinois to be with Chris. She

717
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:17.280
even made a wedding registry. She
and Chris already had a credit card together

718
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:22.679
too to pay for Tara's travel expenses, and Chris also had a secret credit

719
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.599
card that he hid from Sherry.
He used it to send surprise gifts to

720
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.639
Tara, like lingerie, perfume,
and flowers. He'd even sent her a

721
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:36.480
vibrator. He loved spoiling Tara,
all this effort to put into Tara,

722
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.000
when if he put maybe you know, ten percent of that effort into his

723
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:43.480
marriage, that he would have been
you know, they both would have been

724
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.760
happier in the marriage. Tara told
him he needed to file for divorce by

725
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:52.280
May fourth, or she was done. Chris's hands were tied. He loved

726
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.480
the stature that his job at Joyce
Meyer gave him. He enjoyed ruling the

727
00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:00.199
ministry campus and being a representative for
such a successful woman. He knew that

728
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:05.400
he would be demoted or fired if
he and Sherry divorced. He couldn't handle

729
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.599
the thought of being demoted in his
job and losing the status that he had

730
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:14.079
become an integral part of his identity. His job came with so many perks.

731
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.320
Among them was playing in a celebrity
of football flag football game. Joyce

732
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.239
sponsored an annual flag football game,
and he'd gotten to play with the likes

733
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:27.239
of Kurt Warner, Donovan McNabb,
and Phil Simms. I don't know who

734
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.559
those people are. I mean,
they're pretty famous people that would be that

735
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.960
would be a fun perk to have
in a job, right, And I

736
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.360
know, he said he got to
like he got to drive them around and

737
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.679
spend the day with him, And
yeah, he really enjoyed that. Yeah,

738
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.159
Chris was on his cell phone NonStop, texting, calling, and sending

739
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.280
brisque pictures and videos to Tara.
He used his work cell phone, which

740
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.719
if you're listening and you're having an
affair, don't do that. Remember,

741
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:59.039
Cherry used to work for Joyce Meyer
too, and still had several good friends

742
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:05.239
there. Christine Sencta paid employees cell
phone bills, and she noticed a dramatic

743
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:09.440
uptick in Chris's cell phone data usage. She and Serry had had dinner together

744
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:15.039
recently, and Scherry had told her
that their marriage was struggling. Christine shared

745
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:20.440
the information about the cell phone with
Daniel Meyer, Joyce's son. He called

746
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.760
the number that most frequently appeared on
Chris's bill. When Tara answered, he

747
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:29.639
hung up. Daniel confronted Chris about
having an affair, but Chris lied,

748
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:34.239
claiming Tara was an old friend he
wasn't having an affair. After that,

749
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:38.519
Chris purchased a BlackBerry for personal use. He was excited because now he could

750
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:43.760
send even better videos to Tara.
Once he sent her a five minute video

751
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.760
of himself masturbating in the shower.
It was his gift to her. He

752
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:52.119
said he'd never done that for anyone
else. She brought his wild side his

753
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:59.480
true personality. Isn't that like almost
verbatim like Chris Watts, Yes, yeah,

754
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.599
and Nicole, I mean it's very
similar, right, eerily similar?

755
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:07.519
Yep. In February, Sherry approached
Chris about scheduling a family vacation for that

756
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:13.360
upcoming summer with the boys to Disney
World. He agreed with hesitation. When

757
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.880
Chris told Tara about the trip,
she was furious. She loved Disney and

758
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:22.000
couldn't stand the thought of Chris taking
Sherry and the boys, and the trip

759
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.559
reached the deadline of May fourth that
she had sut for Chris to end his

760
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:30.079
marriage. She demanded Chris cancel the
trip. He refused because they would lose

761
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.840
their deposit. Tara took the matter
into her own hands and called Disney and

762
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:39.920
canceled the trip. Then she called
a travel agent and booked a cruise to

763
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:45.960
Saint Thomas for her and Chris for
that same week in July. It's pretty

764
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:50.000
bold. That was the other night
I was reading when I think you were

765
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.320
in the bedroom, and I was
like my mouth dropped open, and I

766
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:57.760
was like, I can't believe she
did that. Yeah, it's so.

767
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.559
I was so horrible, Like she
can't stand the thought of Chris going to

768
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:05.159
Disney World with his kids. That
is really horrible. And it's also a

769
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.760
good way to turn him against her
as well, right, Like he's you

770
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:13.440
know that can't be something attractive to
someone that you're that demanding and controlling.

771
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:16.280
I think at that point she could
do anything, and chrisy was he was

772
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:22.079
still like a schoolboy. Later that
month, friends and family were shocked to

773
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:27.440
see Sherry's Facebook status changed from married
to single and her last name changed to

774
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:31.159
Weiss, her previous surname. Cherry
had made the changes in hopes of deterring

775
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:36.480
the person who was leaving her threatening
messages multiple times a day, among them

776
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:40.199
messages like you're not good enough for
Chris and you don't deserve him. They

777
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:45.679
didn't stop. Cherry eventually deleted her
Facebook account. Gosh, I wonder who

778
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:50.000
would leave those messages? I can't
even imagine. In March, Chris and

779
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.159
Tara met up in Arizona when he
attended a charity football event held by Kurt

780
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:58.480
Warner. Tara attended the games,
and she and Chris even canoodle on the

781
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.760
sidelines. They also had a tryst
in Hawaii that spring. In late March,

782
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:07.960
Chris returned home after weeks of traveling
abroad with Joyce. He went into

783
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:13.840
Sherry's bedroom and sexually assaulted her.
Later, Cherry called her friend Kathy Laplant,

784
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.760
crying as she recounted the assault during
her drive to Chicago to see her

785
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:22.280
mother. During that phone call,
Sherry told Kathy that if anything happened to

786
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.719
her, it was Chris. Hear
that so often. I hate it so

787
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.360
much. I know. Yeah.
In late April, the Colemans received another

788
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:37.119
threatening typed letter in their mailbox,
fuck you. The letter began, I

789
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.280
am giving you the last warning.
You have not listened to me, and

790
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:44.079
you have not changed your ways.
I have warned you to stop traveling and

791
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:47.599
to stop carrying on with this fake
religious life of stealing people's money. You

792
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.840
think you are so special to do
what you do protecting or think you are

793
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:57.079
protecting her. She is a bitch
and not worth you doing it. Stop

794
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.719
today or else. I know your
schedule. You can hide from me.

795
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.559
Ever, I'm always watching. I
know when you leave in the morning,

796
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.880
and I know when you stay home. I saw you leave this morning.

797
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.760
I will be watching you. Better
stop traveling and doing what you are doing.

798
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.079
This is my last morning. Your
worst nightmare is about to happen.

799
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:21.840
Chris went to the police station and
dropped off the letter with Officer Sean Westfall.

800
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:27.119
Officer Westfall noticed that the address on
the letter was the same street that

801
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:31.480
his friend, Detective Justin Barlow lived
on. Officer Westfall went to talk with

802
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:36.639
Justin. Yeah, Justin said he
knew who Chris was, but he didn't

803
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.960
know him well. They'd lived on
the same street for years. Justin had

804
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:45.119
given a friendly wave to Chris numerous
times, but eventually gave up, writing

805
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:50.000
him off as unfriendly and arrogant.
But Justin had an idea. He knew

806
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.360
that a window in his son's bedroom
looked down to the Coleman's driveway and mailbox.

807
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:59.599
He suggested mounting a camera near the
window to capture the Coleman's letter writer.

808
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:04.639
Chris agreed to the plan. Justin
gave Chris his cell phone number if

809
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:08.119
he ever needed help or felt unsafe. After the most recent letter, Chris

810
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:14.079
finally installed a security system at his
house. I think we're going to stop

811
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:17.679
there. Okay, what do you
think so far of Chris Coleman. I

812
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:21.760
think he's a horrible, horrible person. I think he's going to get more

813
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.280
horrible in part two. Yeah,
he's pretty unlikable. Yeah, very unlikable.

814
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.159
So you're headed to France. How
much French do you know? I

815
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:34.239
know, you know a little French. I know almost no French. Really,

816
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.800
I took one year in high school. Oh that's right. You only

817
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:38.440
took one year of four language in
high school. Yeah, isn't that sad?

818
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:43.159
It's not sad. It was just
like I think when I was in

819
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.000
high school, which was four hundred
and twelve years ago, we had we

820
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.320
didn't have to take four years.
But if you were going to college,

821
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:51.480
like, oh, yeah, you
need four years. And I don't think

822
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:53.119
I had to take any if I
didn't want to. I think I took

823
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:57.559
one year just because I thought it
was a good idea, and then I

824
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:02.639
didn't really enjoy it, so I
didn't go back say something French blue,

825
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:07.800
the sky is blue, the notebook
is blue. That's right, that's right.

826
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.039
I mean I don't know French,
but I know remember well you know

827
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:15.360
hi Hello? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I know enough to say,

828
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:19.280
like, yeah, thank you.
I probably want to bring back any French

829
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.199
bake goods because you're going to be
gone a whole other week. Yeah,

830
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.440
I'll bring you back some fish and
chips from London and put them in your

831
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:30.519
pocket. Yeah. Sure, they'll
be delicious by the time I get back.

832
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:32.760
I could go for some fish and
chips, but maybe Yeah, maybe

833
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:35.760
some day I'll go with you.
Well, I do have a colleague that

834
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:38.159
lives in Ireland that's going to be
in London, and she told me she's

835
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:43.000
going to bring me some Irish snacks, so that's amazing. Yeah, I'm

836
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.000
looking forward to that. That's very
Irish. I have no idea. I

837
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:52.320
don't know what to expect, Guinness. Really it could work, huh,

838
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:54.719
I don't know. I would like
to go to Ireland. My daughter went

839
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:58.440
to Ireland, she did. Yeah, I would love to go to Ireland.

840
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.559
I did want to mention the last
episode that we recorded. I think

841
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:07.440
it was the last episode we had
talked about something negative that someone had said

842
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:13.360
to us, and our intent wasn't
We weren't looking for looking for sympathy.

843
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:15.440
It was just we wanted to make
it clear that we didn't plagiarize, because

844
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:21.039
that's, you know, kind of
a bad accusation. But to all you

845
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:27.119
view amazing sweethearts that sent us messages
or I think we got to pot a

846
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:29.760
couple of nice reviews out of it, we thank you. Yeah, that

847
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.320
is so nice, so much.
You guys are so generous to us and

848
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:38.320
we appreciate it more than more than
we can express here. Yeah. If

849
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:42.360
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850
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:46.519
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852
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853
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854
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