Susan and David Hendricks - Part 1

0:00 Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm Rich. If there's one thing we've learned in over twenty years of marriage. It's that some days you'll feel like killing. Your wife, and some days you'll feel like killing your husband. Welcome to love, Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey Tina, how are you. I'm tired, but you've had a week. Yeah. I get back from a red eye flight this morning at seven am, and I can't sleep on planes, so you can't. No, I'm a little I'm a little beat, but I. Think you're a lot beat. It was quite a week.

0:42 I missed you, you did. I did. Yeah. I was kind of excited for you to be away for a few days, but then I was kind of like, oh, I don't have anyone to talk to. No, I missed you, you do. But you're my favorite person to talk to you. That is nice to hear you're my favorite too, and you're gonna miss me again next week unfortunately. Yeah. Well I was productive though. Yeah. I wrote a two part episode in a few days, which is as you know, that's that's a lot of work, a lot of work. And I cleaned the pantry was very exciting. I didn't know it was such a nerd like I really do enjoy cleaning and organizing, and for some reason when other people around I don't know, it's just harder. So that was I went into the pantry this morning, and I'm afraid I didn't notice, So I apologize. I would go back that you would when we're done recording, I'm going to go back and admire your work because.

1:30 I'm sure, well it was more, to be honest, like more of a weeding out than, you know, than thorough cleaning. Right. And I'm a little sad today, actually a lot sad, but I'm gonna I'm going to soldier on as we do. I'm a little sad too. Yeah, our little baby girl left today, has moved out. Yeah I'm not going to cry. No, I think you're going to, but I mean I. Have a few times. I'm just I'm very happy for her. It's just, you know, we've been together for a long time. I think I think we were both feeling a little you know, emotional. But it'll be fun, yeah, you know, we'll be able to meet places and have dinner together and you know, go on adventures. And that's what parenting is all about, is preparing your kids to go out on their own eventually and live. Yeah, productive lives. Then she's on our way.

2:16 Yeah, she's done. Check that off my list, raise a daughter. Check Before we dive into today's case, I have some candy for you. Today's snack was sent to us by two of our lovely listeners. This is from our og listener, Lisa, who is one of my favorite people, one of my oldest podcast friends. They're called Mojeska's Mojeska's. I don't think I said it right. I don't think you said it right. The Mojeska is a beloved Kentucky candy made of soft, homemade marshmallow dipped and rich buttery carmel. Created in eighteen eighty three by Louisville confectioner Anton Bousaff. The tree was named in honor of Polish actress Helena Mojeska after her performance and a local play capture the city's admiration with her blessing. The candy became a regional favorite and is still handcrafted today by shops like Bowers And this is where these came from. They are sweet, nostalgic, and uniquely Kentucky.

3:12 And the Mojeska is a bite of southern charm wrapped in caramel. Interesting. Just for the record, I know you can't see it, but it's a beautiful little box and the candies are beautifully wrapped. Oh there is. I never would have guessed they were from Kentucky with you when you said the name of them. Interesting background. You want to try one? I sure do. What did you think of the mojescas? I liked it a lot. I really it's an interesting combination, the caramel and the marshmallow. I love marshmallow. I've said it before. I think marshmallow is an underrated flavor. You said that before, I've said it many times, many times. But it's weird because the kramel is like outside of the marshmallow, the caramel is like a little different than normal caramel.

3:58 Really nice, beautiful kramel. I guess I did not love love the combination of the two or yeah, I think I would have just preferred a karmel, but really good. Yeah, thank you so much, Lisa. Our second snack today comes all the way from Newfoundland, Canada from our listener Tammy, who is kind enough to send these candies. They're called They're from Purity Factories. The Candy Company. Apparently they make an entire line of crackers, cookies, and candies for over one hundred years. And I don't believe I've ever had a snack from Newfoundland. So these are assorted kisses. There are different flavors, I guess. So the kisses we have them, they're not like Hershey's kisses. We have them here in the States. I have not seen them in a long time. These are similar to the ones that we used to find at Halloween time that have orange and black you know what I'm talking about, peanut butter. Yeah, and they're wrapped in like you know, the orange and the black. So there's four flavors. There is molasses, banana, peanut butter, and butter, rum and butter.

4:55 Which one do you want to try? I try the peanut butter, not that the anything, but the banana. What did you think? They're really tasty? Yeah? I had a rum and butter butter rum life saver is my favorite life saver. It's kind of like going back to my childhood. Yeah, the peanut butter one was similar to the Halloween ones, but a little bit of a different flavor. But yeah, it was really good. Thanks, So, yeah, thank you so much, Tammy. But they're really fresh, like you can tell that, yes, they came from you know, the factory. And because a lot of times you would get this here and it would. Be right the Halloween ones you get, I feel like they're like ten years old probably. Yeah, and these were really fresh and yeah, very yummy.

5:35 Thank you so much to Tammy and Lisa. Today's case is a true crime classic. I feel like a lot of listeners probably know this case already. I had listened to I think an episode of Crime Junkie years ago and was really intrigued by this case. At least two listeners had recommended it, Katie and Evelyn. Thank you so much, Katie and Evelyn for recommending this case. Well. The year was nineteen eighty three. Do you remember where you were in nineteen eighty three? I do. Ronald Reagan was in the third year of his first presidency. His administration focused on Cold War attentions, economic recovery dubbed Reaganomics, and a strong emphasis on conservative values. The biggest hits on the radio that year were Billy Jean, Every Breath you Take, Sweet Dreams are made of These flash dance with a feeling beat. It total eclipse of the Heart.

6:24 Movies that year were a mix of blockbusters and cold classics, Return of the Jedi, Flash Dance, Terms of Endearment, trading places, wargames, a Christmas Story, Scarface. Popular TV shows that year were also iconic, including Dallas, Dynasty, Mash in its final season, The A Team, which premiered that year, Tears Family Ties, and Magnum Pi. In nineteen eighty three, prices looked a lot different. The average income was about twenty one thousand dollars a year. The average home price is about seventy five thousand dollars. A gallon of gas cost a dollar twenty four. Interest rates were very high, over ten percent. In Bloomington, Illinois. On November eighth, nineteen eighty three, election night officer Mike Hibbins was nearing the end of his shift and heading back to the station early after a quiet night when he received a call over his radio to do a welfare check at three one three Carl drive.

7:19 Mildly irritated, thinking only of getting home and into bed, he answered the call Adam three ten four and headed to the upscale neighborhood on the outskirts of Bloomington. Detective Dennis O'Brien overheard the call and offered to head over to Carl Drive two, his instincts immediately kicking in. Hibbins arrived first. He grabbed a flashlight and walked around the house, sipping his jacket against the November chill. The house was quiet and peaceful, in complete darkness. At the rear of the house, he found the door to the sun room unlocked. Just as he was about to enter, he saw the beam of another flashlight bobbing in the night, approaching him, along with two shadowy figures. The men quickly explained that they were related to Susan Hendricks, one of the home owners.

8:01 One of the men said, my sister lives here. We're afraid something is wrong. I haven't been able to reach her, and my brother in law is out of town. By this time, Detective O'Brien arrived. O'Brien and Hibbins told the other two men to wait outside while they searched the house. They walked through the kitchen and dining room, lit only by their flashlights, noting several open cabinet doors and drawers, along with a purse with its contents spilled on the floor. As they mounted the dark stairs. They flipped on the hallway light, shocking themselves with the sudden brightness. The first room they came upon was the primary bedroom. A woman, Susan, they assumed, appeared to be sleeping in the bed, the blue comforter pulled up high. When they flicked on the bedroom light. She didn't move. At first glance, she looked like she was simply sleeping, tucked neatly beneath the covers, But when they pulled the comforter down, the illusion shattered.

8:49 Her face and neck were drenched in blood, the wounds savage, her skin cold to the touch. Shaken. The officers backed out of the room and moved down the hall, dread building with every step. The next door they opened was a boy's bedroom empty. Then they reached the girl's room. Two bunks, two small bodies in the lower bed, one in the top. All three children lay motionless, soaked in blood, their young faces and necks brutally mutilated, just like their mothers. On the floor ominously sat a blooded axe and a butcher's knife. That sounds like a brutal scene. I'm not familiar with this case at all, so this is all new to me, But that sounds really shocking. This case is going to take you in a lot of different directions. David Hendricks was the second of seven children born to Laverne and Charles. Charles was an electrical engineer and Laverne was a housewife. The Hendricks home was loving but strict. Laverne deferred to Charles in all matters and viewed him as the head of the house. Church and the Bible were the center of their lives. The family lived in a large home in Oak Park, Illinois.

9:48 Oak Park's most famous resident was Frank Lloyd Wright, who not only lived and worked there, but built more than twenty other homes there, making it the largest concentration of Wright homes. How Frank Lloyd Wright did it? It designed so many homes and buildings it's unreal. He was a hard worker. The Hendricks family gathered around the table together each night for dinner. They said a prayer together before they ate, and again at bedtime. Charles Hendricks often read from the Bible to his family. The Hendricks were active in the Plymouth Brethren movement, which is a conservative fundamentalist movement dating back to early eighteen hundreds Ireland. The group consider themselves autonomous and instead of a minister preaching in a church. They consider the spirit to be within each of them. The members prefer to meet in small groups at their homes and break bread together and discuss scripture. They consider all met and their brethren holy enough to teach the Bible and learn from each other.

10:41 The meetings are led by men. Women were allowed to attend, but not allowed to speak. Divorce is forbidden, except in the case of adultery. Divorce is quite a scandal and reviewed by a board of the elders. David had personally delivered a letter to a woman who sought a divorce informing her that she could no longer socialize with any of the break including her entire family. Members of the movement are encouraged not to stray outside of the group for friendships. So if you divorce here basically ostracized in the group. It sounds like well the Hendrix and most members of the Brethren didn't own a television to prevent them from being influenced from outside sources. Many don't even own a radio or read newspapers. I can't believe they'd missed the last season of Mash.

11:25 David was intelligent, but didn't excel in school because he lacked the ability to focus. He was a loner with few friends, but was allowed to participate in sports. He enjoyed football, basketball, and tennis. Frequently, on weekends, the family would travel to nearby cities for meetings with other members. It was on one of these weekends, during a trip to central Illinois, that fifteen year old David first met sixteen year old Susan Palmer. He was quickly smitten, but she was oblivious. Susan Palmer, like David, came from a family of seven and was a member of the Brethren. She achieved straight AA through high school. She was a member of the National Honor Society and first chair clarinet in the school band.

12:06 She was a quiet, shy girl who had been raised to keep her opinions to herself. The summer before her senior year of high school, she took a summer job working in the office of Bible Truth Publishers, located in Oak Park. The Hendricks offered to Houser for the summer. The publisher was so pleased with Susan's work they offered her a full time job. Despite having a year left of high school. Torn Susan accepted the job with plans to finish her diploma at Oak Park High School. I think she only had a couple of classes to finish up to get her diploma. She hated the large high school and the work was more challenging, prompting her to drop out. She got an apartment with two other members of the Brethren, worked full time, and finished her coursework at night. David began working at the publishing house and finally caught Susan's eye. Since their first meeting, he had been wrapped up in daydreams of her.

12:53 He left love poems on her desk and invited her on long walks during their lunch break. A fun fact, Susan was David's first girlfriend, but Susan had dated like seven other boys. They were all named David except for one. Wow and fun fact about Rich and Tina, the girl that Rich dated before me was also I only. Dated one other teena about seven. They fell in love quickly and secretly decided to get married as soon as David graduated from high school. Suddenly motivated, he took as many credits as he could and finished his high school diploma in three years. The first person at oak Park High. With that distinction, a family friend who worked in prosthetics and orthotics convinced David to pursue a career in the specialty field. He offered to help pay his tuition if he would come work for him. After two years, David completed the requirements of the program. In July nineteen seventy three, Susan and David were married at the American Legion Hall in Delavan, Illinois, with about one hundred and twenty five people in attendance. With a small budget, they were limited to travel in Indiana and Illinois, but that was fine with the young couple. When they returned from their honeymoon, they relocated to Mazanie, Wisconsin, rented a small parsonage, and David began to work at Heinz Brinkmann Prosthetics. He only made three dollars and twenty cents an hour, ever industrious.

14:11 As a side hustle, David bought and sold used cars. He saw himself as quite the deal maker. David would just look in the newspaper for cars that were for sale, and he'd be like, Oh, that's a good deal on that Honda Civic and then he would you fix it? Up just a little bit, and then he would resell it. Oh, it's like flipping flipping cars. Flipping cars. He was very smart and a really good business person. He saw himself as quite the deal maker. Soon Susan learned that she was pregnant with their first child, and the couple bought their first home for eleven thousand dollars, a real fixer upper, but they enjoyed remodeling the home together. On September twenty fourth, nineteen seventy four, Rebecca Karen was born. After three years with Brinkman, David wanted to set out on his own. His employer wasn't happy about him leaving, but David was ambitious and needed to make more money for his growing family. Susan was due soon with their second child. When David put in his notice. Brinkman, infuriated after investing in his education, fired him on the spot.

15:09 After Grace Esther was born in April nineteen seventy six, the family sold their little house for twenty two thousand dollars, loaded up a U haul and set off for Galesburg, Illinois, in the northwestern part of the state, about an hour from Susan's family in Delavan. After making a nice profit from their first house, the Hendricks decided flipping houses was a good way to make money. In two years, they moved six times. David first worked as a contract employee for the hospital, but then became a hospital employee after a dispute over payment. The hospital told him he could resign or be fired. The hospital claimed he resigned, but David said he was fired. It made a difference whether or not he would receive unemployment. It took a year, but he ultimately won that battle. While the legal battle was playing out, he focused on flipping houses and selling used cars, and also took up a new hobby flying.

16:00 The family also traveled to South America's missionaries. Susan was the disciplinarian of the family. She ran a tight ship with a strict schedule and chore charts. A plaque in her home summed up her thoughts on her duties as a wife and mother Proverbs thirty one. A good wife looks well to the ways of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness. I eat a lot of idle bread. She wrote in a diary almost daily. The entries are brief. January third, nineteen eighty two, Lord's Day, our kids performed poorly. June first, nineteen eighty two, Tuesday, took gift to Martha Brown. David called, he's lonely and so am. I did some sewing, decorated cake for missus Rustin July twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two, David surprised me for our ninth anniversary, arranged for J and L to take kids. Went to Joomors for night and supper. October thirteenth, nineteen eighty two, had doctor appointment to begin one thousand calorie diet. David and I are working on it together. November nineteenth, nineteen eighty two, Friday visited school, watched Grace's class do a skit. David surprised me and took me to Juomors ate there and spent the night. David gave me a nightie.

17:13 I've never been good at journaling or diary entries, but I kind of liked this approach. You know, it's just really quick and you can just look back on it. I feel like you would. Yeah, I forget so many things that I feel like if you write down, like, oh, here's what I did today, just very briefly, that it would just help you kind of remember. Things humors, which she mentioned several times is a casino. A casino and a restaurant and a hotel, which kind of surprises me. That doesn't seem like that would be sounds. Like they went there quite often. Interesting. The diary entries reveal a woman content with her life. She expressed love and appreciation for her husband, who seemed thoughtful and loving towards her. She never complained about her marriage, although as David's business grew, she lamented that he spent less time with the family than she would have liked.

17:57 She wasn't impressed with material goods like David was. In the book that I read, the author actually said that she was uncomfortable with the level of wealth that they had at the time. Interesting. Susan and David, like their families growing up, were strict parents and observed the rules of the Brethren. Religion and the Bible were the center of their lives. There was no television, radio, or daily newspaper. For fun, the family played games together or went on day trips to museums or the zoo. On Halloween. The children weren't allowed to wear costumes or participate in their classroom parties. Susan would pick them up early from school. During trick or treating, the Hendrixes would pass out religious pamphlets to the children who rang their doorbell. I bet the neighborhood children just loved coming to their.

18:41 Very popular. Christmas also wasn't observed. So let's talk just for a second about how this must have affected their life and their children. I think it's really hard for kids to go to public school when they don't celebrate these holidays. I think the kids seemed like they were great kids, and they were very happy, and they were well adjusted. But it must have been really hard for them. Yeah, they must have felt very different, right they see all their friends doing these things and having these celebrations, and yeah, not being allowed to participate. Must have coming back to school the day after Christmas break and you know, everyone talking about the toys they got or their new clothes or whatever. Yeah, but again, the kids did seem like they were happy with their life. David saw an opportunity in Bloomington, Normal, a growing area underrepresented in prosthetics, and the hendrix has moved again. While Susan was pregnant with their third child. David named his new business Illinois Orthopedic Appliances. They purchased a modest home.

19:35 A few months before their third and final child, Benjamin Caleb, was born. Business must have been going well. A few months later he bought a Cessna one seventy two airplane for thirty one thousand dollars in cash. In nineteen seventy nine, David won a patent for a new back brace he named the CASH brace. CASH was an acronym that stood for cruciform anterior spinal hyper extension nailed it. The brace was very lucrative for Hendrix. In nineteen eighty one, he sold Illinois Orthopedic Appliances to focus on manufacturing and selling the brace. A cash brace is used primarily for the treatment of certain types of spinal deformities, particularly in cases of scoliosis. It helps to stabilize the spine and prevent further curvature. It may also be used after spinal surgery to provide support during recovery or to assist in the healing process following spinal injuries. It provides support while allowing the patient movement. After enduring years of painful, heavy menstrual cycles, Susan's doctor recommended a hysterectomy. When she arrived at the hospital for the procedure, she was surprised to learn that she was pregnant again. After the pregnancy ended in a miscarriage a few weeks later, Susan ultimately went ahead with the hysterectomy. Although she had three healthy children, she and David had hoped for a bigger brood will be back after a break.

20:59 With the success of his in his new backbrace, David was able to pay ninety two thousand dollars in cash for a new four bedroom, two and a half bathhouse in Bloomington. And that's about three hundred and twenty thousand dollars today. Can you mention paying cash cairehouse would be pretty sweet? Bloomington, Illinois, is a mid size city in central Illinois with a blend of suburban neighborhoods, farmland, and commercial areas. It's halfway between Chicago and Saint Louis. It forms the Twin Cities with nearby Normal and is often called Blown by locals. With around seventy eight thousand residents, it serves as the seat of McLean County, the largest county in Illinois by land area. The city has an act of art scene, several local theaters, and hosts a variety of festivals and community events throughout the year. Known for its deep legal history, Abraham Lincoln practiced law there. Oh, do you remember him?

21:51 I've heard of him. Bloomington has been the backdrop for several high profile criminal cases, including the one we're discussing here today. Home to State Farm Insurance headquarters in Illinois Wesleyan University, Bloomington blends a corporate and college town vibe. Its tight knit community and central location give it a mix of suburban and rural character that also houses the McLean County Courthouse, jail, and State's Attorney office, making it the legal heart of the region. Bloomington experiences classic Midwest weather with hot summers and cold winters. Bestplaces dot Com list Bloomington's violent crime index at twenty nine compared to a national average of twenty two point seven, indicating slightly above average levels. Is that more information than you ever needed to know about Bloomington?

22:38 Maybe? David's younger brother, Jim, was shunned from the Brethren when he was twenty one for having sex outside of marriage. The situation was challenging for the family, especially because he still lived at home with the time with his parents. If rules were strictly adhered to, he'd be thrown out of the house and no one in his family could have a meal with him or even talk to him. If he apologized and showed genuine remorse, it was possible that he'd be forgiven, but he refused and left the group. When his father, Charles decided to move to southern Illinois, James stayed behind and rented a small apartment in Chicago. David was sympathetic to James and was the only family member to remain close to him. And I mentioned this because out of the entire family, David was mooth sympathetic and was it because maybe he could relate and had similar feelings. By July of nineteen eighty three, David had earned about one hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars that year, or about five hundred thousand dollars today. It was a level of wealth that neither him or his family or Susan's family had ever known. They were humbled about people, and this kind of money was far outside of their world.

23:45 David had twice traded in his planes for newer, more expensive models and He'd even purchased a motorcycle. Sometimes he took his plane on short business trips. Maybe you should do that, I should. David's thriving business allowed him to become a benefactor with the launch of the Bloomington Fellowship Fund. Within the first half of the year, he deposited about twenty six thousand dollars into the account with intent to assist fellow Brethren members when they were going through challenging times. But in April nineteen eighty three, he quietly transferred seven one hundred dollars from the Fellowship Fund into his business account. David seemed to really enjoy sending money to people he deemed were a need. Was he really a good guy or did he just like this image of being this benefactor could be The summer of nineteen eighty three was a busy one for the Hendricks family. David bought a van and the family took a two week road trip to the Rocky Mountains. When they returned, they were busy with visits from family members and trips to religious conferences.

24:45 At the end of the summer, Susan and David went to London, just the two of them. I think they were celebrating their tenth wedding anniversary. As David's success grew, so did his waistline. He weighed two hundred and seventy five pounds. He'd gained seventy five pounds since getting married. When David asked Susan what she wanted for her birthday, she told him that she'd love for him to lose weight ouch. David agreed and committed to making healthier choices. Susan joined him in the effort for support, though at one hundred and thirty five pounds, she was already with a healthy weight range. Remember her diary entry of I'm going on this one thousand calories, yet that's not enough calories by the way. In October, David, along with his assistant Bev, went to Phoenix for a trade show while Susan manned the office in their absence. Within a few months, David was down about forty pounds. He shaved off his mustache and got a trendier hairstyle. Uh, oh, so he's looking good. Why do you see?

25:41 Oh? I don't. I just cares about it where it's going. They're still really young. David is twenty nine and Susan is thirty to have this much success is yeah, that's pretty pretty impressive. On Monday, November seventh, Susan Hendricks had a doctor's appointment. She'd recently found a small pain bomp on her neck that had been bothering her. The doctor didn't have a diagnosis yet, but he ordered an ultrasound to check whether it might be cancerous or benign, and ran a blood test to look at her thighbroid function. Later that day, Susan had lunch at home with David. He was preparing for a business trip to Wisconsin to promote his new spinal race. He was going to visit physical therapists and orthodists that evening. Susan had plans to attend a baby shower in Delavan with friends and family. Before she left around five fifty p m. David told her not to worry about dinner. He'd handle it and take the kids out for the night. Once she was gone, David played a bit of football in the yard with the kids.

26:37 He was seen by several neighbors, including Sarah Cater, who had asked him for help with a mouse that she found in her garbage can. After that, David showered, got the kids ready, and took them to the Eastland shopping Mall to see a piece of Becky's award winning artwork that was on display. By six point thirty, they made their way to Chuck E Cheese. David ordered a medium veggie pizza and a pitcher of rupier. About an hour later, he told the kids it was time to go, but they begged for a little more time. He gave in, told them to keep playing, and left briefly to get gas. The receipt shows he filled his tank with fourteen point four gallons seventeen dollars in total at a dollar eighteen a gallon. The time was seven thirty six pm, so he went back and picked the kids up from Chuck E Cheese and made one last stop at the Bookmobile before it closed. At eight fifteen. A neighbor saw them leaving with fresh stacks of books. Back home, the kids played a quick game of hide and seek, then got ready for bed. Well David read to them for about thirty minutes. When we were parents have younger children, one thing that we were really strict about was bedtime. Like we always had our kids at that by like I don't know, seven thirty.

27:44 Or eight o'clock we had it down to a routine. Yeah, and these kids were pretty young, and I know Dad's in charge. But the fact that it's eight fifteen, they're just leaving the bookmobile, you know. Then they're going to go home and get ready for bed. It's kind of a late bedtime because it is a school night. When Susan returned from the baby shower around ten thirty pm, the house was quiet and the children were fast asleep. David kissed her goodbye and left for his trip to Wassaw, Wisconsin, just before midnight. He grabbed a cup of coffee at Perkins on his way out of town. Do you think it's odd that he left at midnight for a business trip. I don't know. It's hard to say. I don't know his business, I don't know his routine. Yes, definitely unusual, though I would say for people to leave on a business trip. Was he flying his own plane.

28:30 Or this was he was driving? He was going to Wisconsin? Okay. So David had recently made a modification to his cash brace and was excited to promote it. His plan was to cold call about a dozen clients the next day. The drive from Bloomington to Wassaw is about three hundred and thirty miles roughly six hours. In nineteen eighty three, the speed limit was just fifty five miles per hour. At about four am, David pulled into a rest stop to change into his suit. At seven seventeen am, he stopped at a parties for breakfast, ready to start his day of sales calls. So he hadn't slept the whole night, and then he was going to, you know, start his sales calls. Okay, probably wouldn't be at your best to doing sales calls without a good night.

29:12 Yeah, he had laid down for a few minutes, I think, after before Susan got home and before he left, but I don't think he really slept. So it would take four hours and forty three minutes approximately to get from Bloomington, Illinois to Stevens Point, Wisconsin where the Heartys was. Okay, and he supposedly left at midnight. Right, so there was some time there that either he didn't leave at midnight, or there's some time that isn't accounted for, because yeah, he would have gotten to the Heartys. At like five am, yeah, or even at. Six am, So it seems like there wouldn't have been any traffic, right, and if you're driving after midnight, you can probably go a little faster. Yeah. Yeah, so the timeline is off for meat yep.

29:54 Despite the long night of driving, David made his first call at nine am. He made several calls before checking into a red roof in in Madison at three PM. Okay, I wrote this, but I think he actually checked into the red roof in around noon, but then went on more calls and then came back to the hotel at three and then he I think he was His plan was to crash. Okay, he's exhausted, he hadn't slept all day, so he was going to sleep at the hotel for a little bit. So a couple of things to mention about his trip. All of the calls were cold calls. He didn't arrange anything in advance, okay. And you know, he'd been in the business for a while, so he had a lot of associates that he was friendly with and they were all happy to see him. It was a little loud that he didn't make any appointments beforehand. Most of these calls lasted between five and ten minutes. I thought it was a little loud that he didn't bring this new brace with him, like he was really proud of the new brace. He did have pamphlets that described the brace, but to show you he would have brought. So I don't know if he had forgotten it or he just never intended to bring the brace.

30:52 But because David was able to cut out the middleman, he made a lot of money that way. Like some you know, some people did order it from like a supply company, but if he was selling them, you know, direct directly. Yeah, it saved the customer money. It saved the client money, and David, you know, got more on his end too, right. He had tried to call home to check in with Susan several times, but there was no answer. David knew Susan had plans to have dinner with her family that evening, so he wasn't too concerned, but called his office and asked his assistant Bev, to keep calling Susan let her know that he was finally crashing after being up for almost forty eight hours without sleep. But David didn't go to sleep. He continued to call home, trying to reach Susan.

31:35 It was nineteen eighty three, there are no cell phones, he can't get a hold of his wife. How nervous are you at that point, Like, You've tried to call me probably four times, you know, at different different points in the day. I think he called her like in the morning and then you know, early late morning, early afternoon. Probably wouldn't be that nervous. It'd be too worried either. I don't know if they had an answering machine. That was never made clear. I would think you would, you know, leave a message. He probably had an answering yeah, probably like call me, you know, I don't know. Yeah, But then maybe they didn't have an answering machine, because he told BEV specifically, like, tell Susan, tell hering that the red roof in, tell her that I'm going to sleep in for the next several hours. So maybe they didn't have an answering mission.

32:15 Yeah, I know we didn't have one in nineteen eighty three, but my mom was a little behind the times. Yeah. At five forty pm, he called Nadine Palmer, who was hosting Susan and the kids that night. She told him that they were expecting them at five point thirty and hadn't heard from Susan that day. By this point, several people were concerned about Susan, Becky, Grace, and Benji. David made another call to John and Karen Kramer. They're good friends and neighbors who lived three houses away. Karen said she hadn't seen Susan or the kids all day. She offered to walk over to check on them. When there was no answer at the house, she checked in with several other neighbors to see if anyone had seen them. No one could confirm a sighting. David called Susan's family at five forty. She's ten minutes late and everyone is already worried. Do you think that's odd?

33:00 She was She was known to be prompt, but I don't know how worried people would be. I guess what I assumed is they were worried because they hadn't heard from her all day, or they hadn't seen her, or you know, the same with David too, that he might have just been not worried because she was ten minutes late, but because she just had been out of communication. True. David asked Karen for the phone number for the Bloomington Police Department. She offered to call, but he said that he would rather do it. He called them at six thirty four pm. He called a non emergency number. Do you think that's odd? Oh? Not necessarily he is out of town right five hours six hours away. Yeah, well, at this point, I don't think, to me, I don't think I would be all that worried.

33:42 But if I don't think I would be worried enough. To call the police, No, I don't think I would, especially. Sorry, especially when there's so many family members that are only half an hour away. Yeah, the neighbor is right there, and there is a high a key, so Kieren the neighbor, Like, I'm not sure why he wouldn't have been like Karen, you know, maybe the phone's out of order by but just you know, why didn't you just unlock the door and take a look. Yeah, and there are other family members that also he had keys, and I think that he could have. I think personally, I would not want to bother include the police in this unless I knew that there was definitely something nefarious going on. I think I would send a friend, a neighbor or someone like that before I would call the police. Yeah, I agree. The Bloomington police suggested that he call the Illinois State Police to see if there had been any accidents on the highway. There were no accidents reported that evening. At seven pm, David checked out of the hotel and drove home. Meanwhile, Susan's mother, Nadine, called the Bloomington Police department with a suggestion check with the children's school to see if they had been in attendance that day.

34:42 The police told her they were already dispatching an officer to the Hendricks home to investigate. The children were not in school that day, by the way. Not willing to wait, Nadine also sent her son Nate and son in law Jerry out to search the rural back roads that Susan would have taken during the forty five minute drive from blooming to Delevan. They arrived at the house at ten ten pm and began by checking the garage, but the windows were covered, making it impossible to see if Susan's car was inside. Susan I think had made homemade curtains for her garage. I think about this all the time, like our garage windows. Most people's garage windows are open. Yeah, and that really is kind of dumb that we you know, it's nice to have a window in your garage, right, but yeah, you could just.

35:23 Go and see if your car is they're not. Yeah. As they circle the house, trying to peer through the windows, officers Hibbin and O'Brien approached them at the back of the property. The officers instructed Nate and Jerry to remain outside while they went in to investigate. So this is where we began the story. Right. I'm a little surprised that the officers went inside the house. I don't know what the rules are, but. Yeah, I was. I was surprised by that too. They knew that David was on his way. Yeah, and it doesn't seem like there was any imminent danger or anything like that. Like I think they only usually go in houses if there's a threat to someone's life and they're you know, they need to go in. Well, this was nineteen eighty three, so I don't know if the rules were different. Then five minutes later, the officers emerged from the house, pale, wide eyed, visibly shaken. Officer O'Brien stepped forward, his voice wavered as he spoke, quote, I'm sorry to have to tell you they're all inside, but they're all gone. The words hung in the air. All four men wished that they weren't true. Jerry, stunned, grasped for an explanation. Was it a gas sleek? The officers exchanged a glance. We can't say anything more right now. As the weight of the moment settled in, two more squad cars pulled up.

36:34 Flashing lights lit up the quiet street, and the house transformed from a family home into a crime scene. At eleven fifteen, David pulled up to Carl Drive. Nate and Jerry met him and delivered the devastating news. David fell to his knees, crying and wailing, but Detective O'Brien and coroner Dan Brady remember it differently. O'Brien claims that he was the one that told David that his family had been murdered bonded quote. Oh no, did they suffer? The detective said, quote the scene was violent. David replied, they're with the lord now. When asked if he could go into his house, the police told him not yet, but they would want him to stay close. Karen Kramer took David into her home, wrapped him in a blanket, and gave him a cup of coffee. At eleven thirty, detectives Charles Crow and Michael Scott questioned David in the Kramer's home in the primary bedroom. David said he had first called home at eleven thirty that morning, when no one answered.

37:31 He claimed it wasn't unusual for him to leave in the middle of the night on a business trip, though he usually flew his plane. He said he changed into a suit and tie at a rest stop, but the clothes that he was currently wearing were the clothes he had been wearing when he left his house. When asked if he owned an axe, he said he had one in the garage, but didn't own any hunting knives. At the end of their hour long conversation, the police asked him to sign a form allowing the search of his home, vehicles, office, and airplane hangar, which he complied. But they weren't done with David yet. They asked him to come down to the station for further questioning. I think we say this just about every case, but I can't imagine having to go to the police station after your four closest family members have just been brutally murriged.

38:15 The early edition of the newspaper, printed hours before sunrise, featured the headline multiple deaths probed the media works fast. When David arrived at the station, he was read his miranda rights. He seemed calm considering the circumstances. He asked why he was being read his rights, and the officers explained that he was the last person to see his family alive. David said he kissed them all goodbye before he left. Benji five had slipped into his sister's bed. He couldn't remember if he had locked all the doors. When asked to describe the nature of his marriage, he called it happy and said that in the last hours with Susan, they had decided to adopt another child. He said he had no idea who would want to kill his family, He had no enemies, and there was nothing of value in the high But he did say that several hundred dollars in cash was missing.

39:04 Hmmm, he hadn't been in the house. How did he know cash was missing? That is a very good pace untuse, he asked the detectives, like, oh, there's cash here, yeah, is it missing? Hm? Why would he even think? I guess maybe you would think that that maybe there was a burglary, But it does seem a little odd. The detectives wanted David to take a polygraph, but he hedged. He said he didn't trust them and wanted to talk to his attorney before he committed to take the test. O'Brien said, quote, you know what, David, the reason you don't want to take the polygraph is because you're the one who killed your family. No, I didn't kill my family. Why would I kill my family? I loved my family. How could a person as religious as you profess to be kill your family? That's what I want to know.

39:46 I didn't kill them. What do you think the Lord will do? What do you think will happen to a person who did something like this? I hope there will be forgiveness whoever did this. I think the Lord will forgive them if they seek forgiveness. I can understand how a husband might kill his wife, but his children too. Were you after insurance? Was your business going down the tubes and you needed some quick cash? We don't have any insurance. The business is doing well. In fact, we paid cash for the house. What do you have some girlfriend and you wanted to get rid of your wife. She probably had a boyfriend. That was it, wasn't it. No, we just celebrated our tenth anniversary. I took her to England by the way, bravo. That was some of your finest acting.

40:27 Thank you. The officers left the room for a few minutes to call the Madison red roof in to request it not be cleaned or rented until they had a chance to investigate. O'Brien returned and said, David, we know you did it. Just admit it now and save us all the trouble. At five thirty am, the police asked David for his clothing and to submit to a body scan. Nothing of note was found. After six am, at his request, David was taken to his office. It had already been searched by law enforcement. Nothing of interest was found. So what a girl night for David. Like he hadn't slept at all, right, he was at the police headquarters for the whole night. Yeah, he must. Be completely completely drained.

41:09 We'll be back after a break. On the morning of September ninth, the murders were front page news and the names of the deceased were revealed. People were shocked and horrified by the loss of Susan and her three children, although at least one friend of the family said, quote, my God, Susie went into a religious frenzy and killed her kids and herself. It was the nineteen eighties, after all, so there were rumors that a Satanic colt slayd the Hundrecks, whom were the Satanic pan Yeah, of course, frightened residents of Bloomington rushed to purchase handguns. The media caught Nadine Palmer in front of the house on Carl Drive as the bodies were being extracted and loaded into herses. She said, quote, just a perfect family, no drinking, no smoking, religious family.

42:01 We know that at this time they're with the Lord. They're with him, they're safe, and there's no more pain or sorrow for them at all. And Dave is the one who has the pain right now and the rest of the family. I know this seems like an odd observation, but it's really weird to start off saying no drinking, no smoking. It's so funny. I was going to say the same thing, like that's your first Some good people do smoke and drink. Yeah, it just seems like an odd thing to say about. You know, your loved ones who are have just been. Killed, Well, to them it was important. Now I know it's it's yeah. At ten thirty am, Bloomington Police Chief Lewis of All's gave a press conference. He told the media that there was no suspect, that David Hendricks's alibi had been partially confirmed, and they believe the murders were an isolated incident and local residents need not be worried about a murderer on the loose. Later, David agreed to be interviewed by a reporter from the local newspaper, The Daily Pantograph and also WJBC.

43:00 His interview was played on the news station. He said quote, I thank you for giving me the chance. I mainly wanted to say to the people of this community that I love you and thank you very much for all the support that has come my way. It has been absolutely fabulous. All the people that I didn't even realize I knew that have called in here with offers for help and support. I just want to say, at a time like this, the love and generosity of people is tremendous. I want to let the community know that the people who are gone, the four that were part of my family, are the most wonderful people that ever touched my life. They're great David was also interviewed for a television broadcast and said, quote, Susie and my three children are much better off, and I wish them back for me as a selfish thing, but I know that they are with the Lord Jesus in heaven, and I am satisfied now in knowing that. When asked if the person who murdered his family should receive the death penalty, he said, quote, I would like to see them get saved. It would be worth it if one person found their way to heaven.

44:00 Don't you think It's. Hard to know without hearing the actual audio, but just hearing you read the quotes, he sounds sort of blase about this. Yeah, a little more casual or a little less upset than you might think. Well the whole like they're better off with the Lord. I just don't understand that sentiment. Yeah, And to be to I understand, like a lot of people find it important to forgive if somebody, you know, kills your family or something like that, like for religious reasons it's important to forgive. But that quickly after the fact to be talking like that that, I would hope they get saved. And they're very astute of you. A lot of people have pointed to that and said, you know, that's really weird to me. People can understand getting there eventually, but not immediately. I'm not judging him for this, just personally.

44:44 For me, if my family was slain, there's there's just no way that I would be able to have the words to speak publicly. Maybe eventually, but not that not the day after. It would just be so much to process. And again that's just me, but I would be in bed. I would be distraught. Police, of course, were aware of these interviews. A body language expert analyzed David's posture and determine his behavior was rife with signs of deceit. One thing that he said during an interview stuck with prosecutors. He said the police told him quote, some things looked like some things were taken. They had not, and no one ever told him that. David, advised by his business attorney, hired Harold Jennings to represent him. He was the most esteemed criminal defense attorney in Bloomington. He advised David to not cooperate with the police. If they had questions, they would need to go through him. Later that day, David met with Susan's family at the funeral home to begin arrangements.

45:44 It was the first time he'd seen his mother in law. He cried into her arms and said, quote, I know they're happy with the Lord now, but I still wish they were back with me here now. David was decidedly more emotional in the presence of his family than he was during his police interview. The visitation was planned for Friday and the funeral for Saturday. After the meeting at the funeral home, David called the manager of the car dealership where he'd just ordered two new cars, one for him and one for Susan. He canceled the car for Susan, but not the car for him. From the moment detectives met David Hendricks, their instinct told them something was off. He came across as rehearsed, too polished, too controlled. Sure he was emotional, but it seemed as if it was on cue. His account of September seventh and eighth never wavered, as if he'd practiced it over and over. To them, it felt more like a performance than a grieving husband's story.

46:35 Nineteen officers were assigned to the Hendricks case full time. Their tasks included corroborating David's account, interviewing friends and family of the Hendricks, and sorting through the landfill. When detectives met with David's family, Charles Hendrick said, quote, these murders were the work of Satan to break up a good Christian family. He mentioned that David and his family were free from worldly temptation because they eschewed TV, radio, smoking, and drinking. A detective replied, what would you say if I told you that a bottle of wine was found in your son's home. Charles responded, quote, I'd say, if you find the person who brought that bottle of wine into the house, you'd have found the killer. This next part might be a little disturbing for some listeners, as we're going to talk about the autopsy.

47:21 The bodies of Susan, Becky, Grace, and Benji were sent to the morgue at Brokaw Hospital. Susan had been savagely struck nine times. The worst injury was a three and a half inch gash to the back of her head, which exposed her skull and vertebrae. She had likely died from a brain hemorrhage within twenty minutes. The pathologists thought All of the children had died quickly within seconds of their injuries. Becky received a massive blow to the head that resulted in a skull fracture that caused her death. Grace had three large, gaping cuts on the left side of the head and neck, one abrasion on the left side of her forehead, and one superficial cut on the upper right chest. She died from blood loss from the cuts to her neck. Benji's skull was fractured and his jaw was broken. He suffered a major brain injury and fatal blood loss. The heads and faces of all the victims were attacked. Susan had eight facial wounds, Becky two, Grace five, and Benji sixteen.

48:18 It's shocking that Benji had the worst of the injuries. He was the littlest. Yeah, that is really shocking. And these were with an axe or a hunting knife. Or what was it a hunting knife It was a butcher's knife, butcher so Yeah, most of the wounds were I think both from the axe. Yeah. Later the FBI would determine that the personal nature of the attacks led them to believe that they had been executed by someone well known to them. The strikes were very accurate and intentional. None of the four victims had defensive wounds and appeared to be struck in their sleep. So I was grateful to hear that, especially with the kids. I think about this all the time and these family annihilations situations like to be the child that is the last one it's murdered, Yeah.

49:00 The last moments of your life to be like. Yeah, just horrific to think about that. Yeah. The butcher knife and the axe, believed to be the murder weapons, came from the Hendricks home. Although they were found in the girl's bedroom, the pathologists could not determine definitively that they were the murder weapons. But in all likelihood they were. All three children had partially digested food in their stomachs, identified as pizza Susan two had undigested food in her stomach. The pathologists wisely reserved their stomach contents, which would become pivotal later. The bodies were then sent to the Metzler Memorial Funeral Home. They were received by Bud Metzler and Claude Miller, who months later would become important witnesses. The site of four white caskets lined up all closed was shocking for the mourners. At the visitation, David was constantly flanked by family or friends lending their support. Law enforcement hid in the shadows, watching who came and went. They followed a man that they deemed suspicious and made note of his license. The next day, at the funeral, two hundred and fifty people attended, David was in rough shape and had several emotional outbursts. During the service, Police covertly photographed the license plates of all of the attendees.

50:13 Those police are always working, Yeah. I mean it's very thorough. After midnight on September tenth, an officer who was guarding the Hendricks home answered the phone. The caller said, quote, mister Hendricks, I know the two people who did this. They went to Chicago. I'm sorry, I can't say any more. The call was untraceable. And also probably a red herring. Mm hmm. After the funeral was over, investigators regrouped to evaluate the evidence in the case. They had disappointingly little to go on. They called it the cleanest bloody crime scene they had ever seen. The blood was contained to the primary bedroom and the bedroom the children were found in. There was no sign of forced entry and no fingerprint or forensic evidence.

50:55 Three partial footprints were found on the kitchen floor that didn't belong to any of David's shoes. All of the pea traps in the Hendrix's home were checked for signs of blood, as were the sewer lines, and none was found. A pea trap is the bend in a pipe that allows water to collect at the bottom of the pipe, which prevents sewer gases from entering the home. Oh, now you know what it is. I texted you the other day like. Do you know what heard that? Yeah, I'd never heard that term. Well, do you remember one of our houses, the bathroom that we didn't use very often? A lot of times the pea trap would have vaborate and then we would have this. Yeah, I mean, I know what it was, but I always just called it a trap, So gotcha. The washing machine was also checked for blood residue, but none was found there either the murder weapons. Neither the axe nor the knife contained any fingerprints. Although Becky and Benji's hair was found on the blade, the clothes that David had turned over had no blood on them. The investigation of the house was so thorough two weeks after the murder's law enforcement still had possession of the house. David had been staying with friends, but then decided to rent a mobile home. He called the police with updates about his life.

52:07 He knew that he was being followed. He had also gotten his new car, a Pontiac six thousand ste. So he would call the police and he would say, got my new car. So now you know that you need to follow the Pontiac six thousand or you know. Yeah, he really knew that they were on his trail. Yeah, he was trying to be helpful. The search of Hendrick's car, office, and hangar all came up empty too. He was able to produce receipts proving what time he left Bloomington. Investigators interviewed violent criminals in the area and all had solid alibis. Told that David would only answer questions through his attorney, the detectives compiled a list of twenty questions for him. One thing that bothered investigators was the time of death and the contents of the children's stomachs. A reliable time of death had been hard to pin down, but the three children all had undigested pizza in their stomachs. It typically takes two to four hours for the stomach to empty, depending on what was consumed. The latest possible time they could have eaten was seven PM, and the earliest time they could have been killed if David wasn't responsible, would have been midnight after he left, so their stomach should have been empty. However, David claimed that they had taken the remaining pizza home and the kids had eaten the leftovers before bed. A medium pizza typically has eight slices of pizza. Could they all have eaten only one slice of pizza at the restaurant.

53:29 There was no pizza box found in the trash, but it was garbage night, and neighbors recalled seeing David haul their cans to the curb. I think I could be wrong about the size of the pizza. The pizza could have had ten slices. Okay, Well, put a pin in this and come back to it later. Later, doctor Michael Boden analyzed the stomach contents. And of course he did. Of course, he believed that the children were killed two to four hours after eating the pizza, between nine and eleven PM. I think you can tell already that the stomach contents are going to become a major part of this case. Yeah, and I think we say this every case, but doctor Michael Boden, how is he involved in every single.

54:09 High profile pretty amazing? Yeah, but this was in the peak of his career. Really, because it's nineteen eighty three. The investigators called David and asked him to come answer the questions in person, arguing that they wanted to clear him so they could focus on other leads. That's always what they say. We just want to clear you so we can get to the It's true, though he refused and only answered two of the twenty questions investigators had requested that he answer. So is that suspicious to you? Kind of? Yeah? Yeah. McClean County State's attorney Ron Doser was growing increasingly frustrated when he requested again that David take a lie detector test Harold Jennings. His attorney implied they would consider it if passing would eliminate him as a suspect. Afraid that Hendricks was a sociopath capable of beating the test, Dojer refused to entertain the idea. He decided to hold a press conference for the information hungry media two weeks after the murders. Quote mister Hendricks is not helping with the investigation of the murders of his wife and three children.

55:08 He has refused to be interviewed by police. He's been on TV professing to be a practicing Christian and professing to be innocent. He has said publicly that he is concerned and upset and wants to cooperate, but he's not. I'd like to see the real David Hendricks stand up. When asked if David was a suspect, Dojer said, quote, I can't say he's a suspect, but there are some things about the case that point in this direction. I'd like to see him take a polygraph examination. I'm wondering why a person who really has nothing to hide, who has done nothing wrong, would object to simply going through in detail with the police what his activities were the night that he left. Would you take a polygraph in this situation. If I was innocent, I probibly you would be innocent.

55:50 You wouldn't kill your family. No. Ron Dojer had grown up in a strict fundamentalist Christian household, so when it came to understanding David Hendricks, he believed that he had a unique perspective he saw in David the familiar pressures of religious discipline and the internal conflict that can come when personal desires clashed with deeply held beliefs. In Doser's view, David's actions may have been driven by guilt over some hidden transgression, something that felt so incompatible with his faith that it pushed him to the breaking point. He had rather send his family to heaven, where they remained innocent and clean from his ungodly actions. Alternatively, Dojer suspected that David's rapid financial success had pulled him away from the austere, disciplined life that he had once embraced. Maybe he was simply tired of the rules. Maybe he craved freedom, the thrill of luxury, status and indulgence. Dojer believed that David wanted to shed the burdens of his devout lifestyle and fully embrace the fast paced, pleasure filled world that his wealth could now buy him. They had been tailing David NonStop, but so far, he hadn't done anything out of the ordinary. He met with fellow brethren, visited family, visited the gravesite of Susan Becky, Grace and Benji So. A month into the investigation, David was the only suspect. As much as the state's attorney wanted to arrest him, there just wasn't enough evidence. Here's what they had, his overall demeanor, body language, and willingness to forgive the perpetrator so quickly. Both murder weapons came from inside the house. There was no motive for anyone else.

57:23 And the odd time he left for his business trip, and I guess there was the food evidence to seem to kind of point to David. Okay, you're going to be mad, but this is where we're ending Part one. I am a little mad because I'm really intrigued by this case and I can't believe I wasn't familiar with it at all. It does. None of it sounds familiar to me. Yeah, so there really isn't much evidence here. No, there's not evidence pointing to David, but there's not evidence pointing to anyone else either. My question for you is the lack of evidence evidence in itself. Hmm. Like, David is known to be a very fastidious man. Now, if he were the one who committed the murders, of course he would, you know, have a plan, very smart man, and he would be able to you know, leave a very clean crime scene, right, The crime scene is shockingly clean.

58:08 We're going to talk more about this in part two. But there's there's there's nothing. Yeah, you would think with the murders being committed the way that they were, with all that blood and everything, there would be a trail of blood or there would be some more forensic evidence at the scene, which does to your point. Obviously, David lived in the house, so his fingerprints are going to be all over the house as well. So the fact that there weren't other fingerprints found or other evidence of other people in the house does kind of make me think that points to David. Yeah, and I don't want to say this yet, but this case reminds me of another case that we did a while ago. But yeah, just the lack of evidence is kind of crazy, something that I didn't mention. I don't think we're going to talk about it in part two.

58:50 But when you hit some moon with an axe, I actually thought about having you do a recreation with a watermelon, just so we could see how much splittered. But who whoever the murderer was like, would have gotten so much spray on them, because like some of the wall didn't have spray because the murderer blocked it and they took the spray instead of the wall. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's interesting. One thing I was going to ask you about is I think you said there were three footprints or shoe prints that weren't David's shoes. Yeah, we don't know that. You know, David couldn't have you taken those shoes because we know that his route from blooming Bloomington to Wassau it probably took longer than it needed to. He could have stopped at any number of places, and yeah, it's trash. I believe that the police did search the highway for evidence and didn't find any.

59:41 I mean, that's a long route to search. Absolutely. So if we're to believe that someone came into the house to burgle it, why would they have to kill the family? No, I mean burglary. It makes no sense at all. If you're gonna rob a house, first of all, you're not out to kill somebody, And second of all, you're not going to kill them by hitting them eleven or multiple times with an axe. That just doesn't make any sense. And most most people that rob houses, they do not want to kill anyone. They are just looking for money. Yeah. The only two things that make sense to me are David did it or it was like a Charles Manson type situation where it was like a you know, not necessarily satanic, but some you know, something like that. So if that's the case, those people would they wouldn't care to leave the crime scene clean, right, They would be dripping blood through the hallway and on the doors and yeah. And also they would have brought a murder weapon along with them, right, and these murders where like the axe was from the garage, the butcher knife was from the kitchen.

1:00:37 Good point. So you'll come back for a part two. Absolutely, we'll talk more about this in part two. But David's appearance change was actually evidence for a lot of people, Like he lost weight, he shaved off his mustache, he got a better hair, cuye. I mean you heard how I reacted to it. Yeah, Like, okay, I could see this is going but it just. Made me laugh because facial hair. David got me thinking about men and facial hair. I am not a fan of men's facial hair, but all of a sudden, it's like the trend, Like I cannot believe that mustaches are back, you know, like I know in the eighties, you know, like Magnum p I had a mustache and other men grew a mustache, but they were kind of I thought maybe you had a mustache, didn't you really?

1:01:25 I look back on pictures that I'm like, oh, that was not a good look. Yeah, it's just shocking to me that facial hair is back, especially in most A lot of men have beards. Yeah, I think beard. To me, a beard can look good like just having a mustache, though on its own, yeah looks kind of cheesy. Yeah, you did have a beard for well, A lot of people say, like a beard from man is like man makeup. You have a lovely square jaw, but. You know, suffers up some imperfection, right, like a weak. Chin or you know, not a not a strong jaw line. So I don't know, I have a few backs for you, Okay about facial hairs. So, beards were once taxed in sixteen ninety eight Russia Tzarpeter the Great imposed of Beard tax Men had to shave or pay to keep their facial hair, and if they paid, they got a special beard token to prove that they'd ponied up.

1:02:18 That's really quite a way to provide an incentive not to have facial hair. I guess in Victorian England they were actually military regulations requiring mustaches for soldiers in certain regiments. Abraham Lincoln grew his iconic beard after an eleven year old girl wrote him and said he'd looked better with one. He took her advice, and it became one of the most famous beards in history. Beards can actually protect your face. Studies have shown that beards can block up to ninety five percent of UV rates. I'm not trying to talk you and it grows, it sounds like you are potentially lowering the risk of sun damage and even skin cancer on the covered areas. I also read that beards can help allergies because they trap allergy. I guess I think that's one of my maybe my biggest problem with like facial hair and manages. You can't stuck in it egg yoke and great like it's just yeah. There is a World Beard and Mustache Championship, which really isn't that surprising, but people from around the world compete in categories like freestyle beard, Imperial mustache, and even full beard.

1:03:22 I saw a video the other day of a guy. This must have been like maybe he competed in that competition or whatever. He had this mustache and he showed a picture of himself grooming it. And this mustache went around like up to his eyes, like it rolled around almost like his eyes, like it was almost in front of his eyes of it. I think it has to redo it every day. It looked like and it looked like it took forever. Ache mustaches had their own club in London. The Handlebar Club, founded in nineteen forty seven, is only open to men with a graspable mustache and no beards. They're still going strong. In the eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, wanted criminals often shaved beards or mustaches to avoid being identified. I think any criminal would do that.

1:04:04 Today, Yeah, I would think so. Before fingerprinting in digital records, that was sometimes all it took to throw off the law. I think, Yeah, there's a lot of easy ways to change your appearance. Yeah, right, true or false? Beards grow faster and cold weather. Gosh, I'm gonna say false. Yeah, I wouldn't think so. Hair grows faster in warmer months due to increased testosterone and blood flow interesting. All right, that's all I have on facial hair. Thank you for taking that little journey, all right, well. No, thank you for encouraging me to grow a beard again. Please you heard that, then you're hearing the wrong thing. But if honestly, though, if you really want to, you should really.

1:04:45 Last time I grew a beard, you were. I didn't like. Well. I think part of the problem is that like, it looks okay, but then you're not good at like you have to keep it really short, I think, and like once it gets just looks not good. But if you're out there and you have a I totally support it. But it's different when it's your sweetypie husband who's the cutest man in the whole universe. I want to say thank you to other sweet listeners. We've had a couple of hard cases and several people reached out and were like, hey, are you guys Okay, those were some hard cases you had to cover, And is that just so kind? Yeah? Really? Is We have the nicest listener. You really do. We're so grateful that you're here. Every listen, follow, review, and share helps keep us growing and reminds us how lucky we are to have such a thoughtful community. If you'd like to reach out, we're on social media, or you can email us at Lovemrykill at gmail dot com.

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1:06:40 Hi, I'm Tina and I'm rich. And if there's one thing we've learned over twenty years of marriage, some days you'll feel, oh my god. That next line is mine actually told. Okay,