June 16, 2025

Susan and David Hendricks - Part 1

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On the night of November 8, 1983, David Hendricks returned home from a business trip to find his wife, Susan, and their three young children brutally murdered in their beds. They had been killed with an axe and a butcher knife—both from the family home. Investigators quickly turned their focus to David. There were no signs of forced entry, the burglary attempt seemed staged, and there were no other viable suspects. It was called the “cleanest bloody crime scene”. David’s unemotional demeanor, strange midnight business trip, and seemingly rehearsed account raised suspicions, and the coroner’s estimate of the time of death—based on the children’s stomach contents—suggested the murders occurred before David left for his trip. Prosecutors theorized he was growing restless in his strict religious life and may have killed his family to escape it. Did David Hendricks kill his family or was it an intruder?

Listen to both parts on Patreon today: https://patreon.com/LoveMarryKill

Today's snacks: Modjeskas and Purity Assorted Kisses (thanks Lisa and Tammy)

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Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm Rich. If there's one thing

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we've learned in over twenty years of marriage.

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It's that some days you'll feel like killing.

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Your wife, and some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to love, Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey Tina, how

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are you. I'm tired, but you've had a week. Yeah.

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I get back from a red eye flight this morning

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at seven am, and I can't sleep on planes, so

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you can't. No, I'm a little I'm a little beat,

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but I.

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Think you're a lot beat. It was quite a week.

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I missed you, you did. I did. Yeah. I was

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kind of excited for you to be away for a

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few days, but then I was kind of like, oh,

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I don't have anyone to talk to.

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No, I missed you, you do.

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But you're my favorite person to talk to you.

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That is nice to hear you're my favorite too, and

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you're gonna miss me again next week unfortunately.

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Yeah. Well I was productive though.

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Yeah.

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I wrote a two part episode in a few days,

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which is as you know, that's that's a lot of work,

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a lot of work. And I cleaned the pantry was

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very exciting. I didn't know it was such a nerd

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like I really do enjoy cleaning and organizing, and for

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some reason when other people around I don't know, it's

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just harder.

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So that was I went into the pantry this morning,

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and I'm afraid I didn't notice, So I apologize. I

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would go back that you would when we're done recording,

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I'm going to go back and admire your work because.

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I'm sure, well it was more, to be honest, like

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more of a weeding out than, you know, than thorough cleaning.

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Right.

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And I'm a little sad today, actually a lot sad,

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but I'm gonna I'm going to soldier on as we do.

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I'm a little sad too.

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Yeah, our little baby girl left today, has moved out.

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Yeah I'm not going to cry.

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No, I think you're going to, but I mean I.

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Have a few times. I'm just I'm very happy for her.

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It's just, you know, we've been together for a long time.

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I think I think we were both feeling a little

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you know, emotional. But it'll be fun, yeah, you know,

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we'll be able to meet places and have dinner together

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and you know, go on adventures.

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And that's what parenting is all about, is preparing your

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kids to go out on their own eventually and live. Yeah,

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productive lives. Then she's on our way.

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Yeah, she's done. Check that off my list, raise a daughter.

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Check Before we dive into today's case, I have some

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candy for you. Today's snack was sent to us by

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two of our lovely listeners. This is from our og listener, Lisa,

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who is one of my favorite people, one of my

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oldest podcast friends. They're called Mojeska's Mojeska's. I don't think

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I said it right.

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I don't think you said it right.

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The Mojeska is a beloved Kentucky candy made of soft,

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homemade marshmallow dipped and rich buttery carmel. Created in eighteen

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eighty three by Louisville confectioner Anton Bousaff. The tree was

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named in honor of Polish actress Helena Mojeska after her

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performance and a local play capture the city's admiration with

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her blessing. The candy became a regional favorite and is

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still handcrafted today by shops like Bowers And this is

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where these came from. They are sweet, nostalgic, and uniquely Kentucky.

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And the Mojeska is a bite of southern charm wrapped

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in caramel.

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Interesting.

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Just for the record, I know you can't see it,

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but it's a beautiful little box and the candies are

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beautifully wrapped.

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Oh there is. I never would have guessed they were

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from Kentucky with you when you said the name of them.

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Interesting background.

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You want to try one?

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I sure do.

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What did you think of the mojescas?

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I liked it a lot. I really it's an interesting combination,

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the caramel and the marshmallow. I love marshmallow. I've said

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it before. I think marshmallow is an underrated flavor. You

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said that before, I've said it many times, many times.

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But it's weird because the kramel is like outside of

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the marshmallow, the caramel is like a little different than

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normal caramel.

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Really nice, beautiful kramel. I guess I did not love

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love the combination of the two or yeah, I think

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I would have just preferred a karmel, but really good. Yeah,

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thank you so much, Lisa.

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Our second snack today comes all the way from Newfoundland,

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Canada from our listener Tammy, who is kind enough to

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send these candies. They're called They're from Purity Factories. The

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Candy Company. Apparently they make an entire line of crackers, cookies,

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and candies for over one hundred years. And I don't

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believe I've ever had a snack from Newfoundland. So these

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are assorted kisses. There are different flavors, I guess.

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So the kisses we have them, they're not like Hershey's kisses.

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We have them here in the States. I have not

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seen them in a long time. These are similar to

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the ones that we used to find at Halloween time

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that have orange and black you know what I'm talking about,

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peanut butter. Yeah, and they're wrapped in like you know,

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the orange and the black. So there's four flavors. There

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is molasses, banana, peanut butter, and butter, rum and butter.

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Which one do you want to try?

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I try the peanut butter, not that the anything, but

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the banana. What did you think?

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They're really tasty?

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Yeah?

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I had a rum and butter butter rum life saver

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is my favorite life saver. It's kind of like going

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back to my childhood.

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Yeah, the peanut butter one was similar to the Halloween ones,

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but a little bit of a different flavor. But yeah,

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it was really good.

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Thanks, So, yeah, thank you so much, Tammy. But they're

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really fresh, like you can tell that, yes, they came

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from you know, the factory. And because a lot of

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times you would get this here and it would.

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Be right the Halloween ones you get, I feel like

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they're like ten years old probably.

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Yeah, and these were really fresh and yeah, very yummy.

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Thank you so much to Tammy and Lisa. Today's case

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is a true crime classic. I feel like a lot

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of listeners probably know this case already. I had listened

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to I think an episode of Crime Junkie years ago

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and was really intrigued by this case. At least two

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listeners had recommended it, Katie and Evelyn. Thank you so much,

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Katie and Evelyn for recommending this case.

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Well.

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The year was nineteen eighty three. Do you remember where

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you were in nineteen eighty three?

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I do.

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Ronald Reagan was in the third year of his first presidency.

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His administration focused on Cold War attentions, economic recovery dubbed Reaganomics,

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and a strong emphasis on conservative values. The biggest hits

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on the radio that year were Billy Jean, Every Breath

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you Take, Sweet Dreams are made of These flash dance

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with a feeling beat. It total eclipse of the Heart.

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Movies that year were a mix of blockbusters and cold classics,

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Return of the Jedi, Flash Dance, Terms of Endearment, trading places, wargames,

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a Christmas Story, Scarface. Popular TV shows that year were

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also iconic, including Dallas, Dynasty, Mash in its final season,

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The A Team, which premiered that year, Tears Family Ties,

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and Magnum Pi. In nineteen eighty three, prices looked a

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lot different. The average income was about twenty one thousand

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dollars a year. The average home price is about seventy

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five thousand dollars. A gallon of gas cost a dollar

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twenty four. Interest rates were very high, over ten percent.

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In Bloomington, Illinois. On November eighth, nineteen eighty three, election

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night officer Mike Hibbins was nearing the end of his

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shift and heading back to the station early after a

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quiet night when he received a call over his radio

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to do a welfare check at three one three Carl drive.

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Mildly irritated, thinking only of getting home and into bed,

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he answered the call Adam three ten four and headed

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to the upscale neighborhood on the outskirts of Bloomington. Detective

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Dennis O'Brien overheard the call and offered to head over

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to Carl Drive two, his instincts immediately kicking in. Hibbins

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arrived first. He grabbed a flashlight and walked around the house,

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sipping his jacket against the November chill. The house was

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quiet and peaceful, in complete darkness. At the rear of

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the house, he found the door to the sun room unlocked.

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Just as he was about to enter, he saw the

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beam of another flashlight bobbing in the night, approaching him,

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along with two shadowy figures. The men quickly explained that

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they were related to Susan Hendricks, one of the home owners.

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One of the men said, my sister lives here. We're

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afraid something is wrong. I haven't been able to reach her,

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and my brother in law is out of town. By

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this time, Detective O'Brien arrived. O'Brien and Hibbins told the

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other two men to wait outside while they searched the house.

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They walked through the kitchen and dining room, lit only

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by their flashlights, noting several open cabinet doors and drawers,

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along with a purse with its contents spilled on the floor.

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As they mounted the dark stairs. They flipped on the

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hallway light, shocking themselves with the sudden brightness. The first

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room they came upon was the primary bedroom. A woman, Susan,

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they assumed, appeared to be sleeping in the bed, the

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blue comforter pulled up high. When they flicked on the

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bedroom light. She didn't move. At first glance, she looked

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like she was simply sleeping, tucked neatly beneath the covers,

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But when they pulled the comforter down, the illusion shattered.

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Her face and neck were drenched in blood, the wounds savage,

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her skin cold to the touch. Shaken. The officers backed

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out of the room and moved down the hall, dread

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building with every step. The next door they opened was

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a boy's bedroom empty. Then they reached the girl's room.

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Two bunks, two small bodies in the lower bed, one

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in the top. All three children lay motionless, soaked in blood,

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their young faces and necks brutally mutilated, just like their mothers.

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On the floor ominously sat a blooded axe and a

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butcher's knife.

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That sounds like a brutal scene. I'm not familiar with

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this case at all, so this is all new to me,

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But that sounds really shocking.

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This case is going to take you in a lot

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of different directions. David Hendricks was the second of seven

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children born to Laverne and Charles. Charles was an electrical

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engineer and Laverne was a housewife. The Hendricks home was

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loving but strict. Laverne deferred to Charles in all matters

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and viewed him as the head of the house. Church

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and the Bible were the center of their lives. The

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family lived in a large home in Oak Park, Illinois.

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Oak Park's most famous resident was Frank Lloyd Wright, who

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not only lived and worked there, but built more than

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twenty other homes there, making it the largest concentration of

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Wright homes.

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How Frank Lloyd Wright did it? It designed so many

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homes and buildings it's unreal.

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He was a hard worker. The Hendricks family gathered around

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the table together each night for dinner. They said a

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prayer together before they ate, and again at bedtime. Charles

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Hendricks often read from the Bible to his family. The

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Hendricks were active in the Plymouth Brethren movement, which is

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a conservative fundamentalist movement dating back to early eighteen hundreds Ireland.

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The group consider themselves autonomous and instead of a minister

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preaching in a church. They consider the spirit to be

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within each of them. The members prefer to meet in

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small groups at their homes and break bread together and

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discuss scripture. They consider all met and their brethren holy

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enough to teach the Bible and learn from each other.

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The meetings are led by men. Women were allowed to attend,

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but not allowed to speak. Divorce is forbidden, except in

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the case of adultery. Divorce is quite a scandal and

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reviewed by a board of the elders. David had personally

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delivered a letter to a woman who sought a divorce

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informing her that she could no longer socialize with any

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of the break including her entire family. Members of the

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movement are encouraged not to stray outside of the group

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for friendships.

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So if you divorce here basically ostracized in the group.

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It sounds like well the Hendrix and most members of

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the Brethren didn't own a television to prevent them from

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being influenced from outside sources. Many don't even own a

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radio or read newspapers.

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I can't believe they'd missed the last season of Mash.

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David was intelligent, but didn't excel in school because he

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lacked the ability to focus. He was a loner with

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few friends, but was allowed to participate in sports. He

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enjoyed football, basketball, and tennis. Frequently, on weekends, the family

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would travel to nearby cities for meetings with other members.

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It was on one of these weekends, during a trip

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to central Illinois, that fifteen year old David first met

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sixteen year old Susan Palmer. He was quickly smitten, but

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she was oblivious.

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Susan Palmer, like David, came from a family of seven

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and was a member of the Brethren. She achieved straight

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AA through high school. She was a member of the

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National Honor Society and first chair clarinet in the school band.

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She was a quiet, shy girl who had been raised

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to keep her opinions to herself. The summer before her

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senior year of high school, she took a summer job

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working in the office of Bible Truth Publishers, located in

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Oak Park. The Hendricks offered to Houser for the summer.

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The publisher was so pleased with Susan's work they offered

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her a full time job. Despite having a year left

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of high school. Torn Susan accepted the job with plans

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to finish her diploma at Oak Park High School.

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I think she only had a couple of classes to

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finish up to get her diploma.

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She hated the large high school and the work was

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more challenging, prompting her to drop out. She got an

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apartment with two other members of the Brethren, worked full time,

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and finished her coursework at night. David began working at

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the publishing house and finally caught Susan's eye. Since their

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first meeting, he had been wrapped up in daydreams of her.

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He left love poems on her desk and invited her

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on long walks during their lunch break.

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A fun fact, Susan was David's first girlfriend, but Susan

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had dated like seven other boys. They were all named

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David except for one. Wow and fun fact about Rich

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and Tina, the girl that Rich dated before me was

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also I only.

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Dated one other teena about seven. They fell in love

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quickly and secretly decided to get married as soon as

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David graduated from high school. Suddenly motivated, he took as

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many credits as he could and finished his high school

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diploma in three years. The first person at oak Park High.

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With that distinction, a family friend who worked in prosthetics

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and orthotics convinced David to pursue a career in the

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specialty field. He offered to help pay his tuition if

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he would come work for him. After two years, David

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completed the requirements of the program. In July nineteen seventy three,

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Susan and David were married at the American Legion Hall

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in Delavan, Illinois, with about one hundred and twenty five

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people in attendance. With a small budget, they were limited

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to travel in Indiana and Illinois, but that was fine

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with the young couple. When they returned from their honeymoon,

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they relocated to Mazanie, Wisconsin, rented a small parsonage, and

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David began to work at Heinz Brinkmann Prosthetics. He only

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made three dollars and twenty cents an hour, ever industrious.

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As a side hustle, David bought and sold used cars.

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He saw himself as quite the deal maker.

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David would just look in the newspaper for cars that

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were for sale, and he'd be like, Oh, that's a

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good deal on that Honda Civic and then he would

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you fix it? Up just a little bit, and then

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he would resell it.

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Oh, it's like flipping flipping cars.

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Flipping cars. He was very smart and a really good

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business person.

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He saw himself as quite the deal maker. Soon Susan

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learned that she was pregnant with their first child, and

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the couple bought their first home for eleven thousand dollars,

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a real fixer upper, but they enjoyed remodeling the home together.

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On September twenty fourth, nineteen seventy four, Rebecca Karen was born.

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After three years with Brinkman, David wanted to set out

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on his own. His employer wasn't happy about him leaving,

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but David was ambitious and needed to make more money

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for his growing family. Susan was due soon with their

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second child. When David put in his notice. Brinkman, infuriated

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after investing in his education, fired him on the spot.

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After Grace Esther was born in April nineteen seventy six,

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the family sold their little house for twenty two thousand dollars,

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loaded up a U haul and set off for Galesburg, Illinois,

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in the northwestern part of the state, about an hour

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from Susan's family in Delavan. After making a nice profit

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from their first house, the Hendricks decided flipping houses was

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a good way to make money. In two years, they

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moved six times. David first worked as a contract employee

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for the hospital, but then became a hospital employee after

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a dispute over payment. The hospital told him he could

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resign or be fired. The hospital claimed he resigned, but

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David said he was fired. It made a difference whether

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or not he would receive unemployment. It took a year,

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but he ultimately won that battle. While the legal battle

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was playing out, he focused on flipping houses and selling

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used cars, and also took up a new hobby flying.

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The family also traveled to South America's missionaries. Susan was

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the disciplinarian of the family. She ran a tight ship

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with a strict schedule and chore charts. A plaque in

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her home summed up her thoughts on her duties as

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a wife and mother Proverbs thirty one. A good wife

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looks well to the ways of her household and does

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not eat the bread of idleness.

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I eat a lot of idle bread.

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She wrote in a diary almost daily. The entries are brief.

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January third, nineteen eighty two, Lord's Day, our kids performed poorly.

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June first, nineteen eighty two, Tuesday, took gift to Martha Brown.

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David called, he's lonely and so am. I did some sewing,

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decorated cake for missus Rustin July twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two,

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David surprised me for our ninth anniversary, arranged for J

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and L to take kids. Went to Joomors for night

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and supper. October thirteenth, nineteen eighty two, had doctor appointment

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to begin one thousand calorie diet. David and I are

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working on it together. November nineteenth, nineteen eighty two, Friday

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visited school, watched Grace's class do a skit. David surprised

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me and took me to Juomors ate there and spent

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the night. David gave me a nightie.

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I've never been good at journaling or diary entries, but

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I kind of liked this approach. You know, it's just

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really quick and you can just look back on it.

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I feel like you would. Yeah, I forget so many

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things that I feel like if you write down, like, oh,

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here's what I did today, just very briefly, that it

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would just help you kind of remember.

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Things humors, which she mentioned several times is a casino.

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A casino and a restaurant and a hotel, which kind

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of surprises me.

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That doesn't seem like that would be sounds.

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Like they went there quite often.

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Interesting. The diary entries reveal a woman content with her life.

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She expressed love and appreciation for her husband, who seemed

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thoughtful and loving towards her. She never complained about her marriage,

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although as David's business grew, she lamented that he spent

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less time with the family than she would have liked.

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She wasn't impressed with material goods like David was.

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In the book that I read, the author actually said

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that she was uncomfortable with the level of wealth that

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they had at the time.

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Interesting. Susan and David, like their families growing up, were

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strict parents and observed the rules of the Brethren. Religion

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and the Bible were the center of their lives. There

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was no television, radio, or daily newspaper. For fun, the

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family played games together or went on day trips to

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museums or the zoo. On Halloween. The children weren't allowed

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to wear costumes or participate in their classroom parties. Susan

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would pick them up early from school. During trick or treating,

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the Hendrixes would pass out religious pamphlets to the children

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who rang their doorbell. I bet the neighborhood children just

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loved coming to their.

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Very popular.

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Christmas also wasn't observed.

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So let's talk just for a second about how this

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must have affected their life and their children. I think

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it's really hard for kids to go to public school

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when they don't celebrate these holidays. I think the kids

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seemed like they were great kids, and they were very happy,

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and they were well adjusted. But it must have been

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really hard for them.

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Yeah, they must have felt very different, right they see

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all their friends doing these things and having these celebrations,

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and yeah, not being allowed to participate.

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Must have coming back to school the day after Christmas

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break and you know, everyone talking about the toys they

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got or their new clothes or whatever. Yeah, but again,

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the kids did seem like they were happy with their life.

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David saw an opportunity in Bloomington, Normal, a growing area

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underrepresented in prosthetics, and the hendrix has moved again. While

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Susan was pregnant with their third child. David named his

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new business Illinois Orthopedic Appliances. They purchased a modest home.

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A few months before their third and final child, Benjamin Caleb,

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was born. Business must have been going well. A few

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months later he bought a Cessna one seventy two airplane

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for thirty one thousand dollars in cash. In nineteen seventy nine,

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David won a patent for a new back brace he

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named the CASH brace. CASH was an acronym that stood

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for cruciform anterior spinal hyper extension nailed it. The brace

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was very lucrative for Hendrix. In nineteen eighty one, he

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sold Illinois Orthopedic Appliances to focus on manufacturing and selling

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the brace. A cash brace is used primarily for the

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treatment of certain types of spinal deformities, particularly in cases

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of scoliosis. It helps to stabilize the spine and prevent

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further curvature. It may also be used after spinal surgery

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to provide support during recovery or to assist in the

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healing process following spinal injuries. It provides support while allowing

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the patient movement. After enduring years of painful, heavy menstrual cycles,

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Susan's doctor recommended a hysterectomy. When she arrived at the

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hospital for the procedure, she was surprised to learn that

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she was pregnant again. After the pregnancy ended in a

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miscarriage a few weeks later, Susan ultimately went ahead with

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the hysterectomy. Although she had three healthy children, she and

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David had hoped for a bigger brood will be back

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after a break.

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With the success of his in his new backbrace, David

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was able to pay ninety two thousand dollars in cash

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for a new four bedroom, two and a half bathhouse

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in Bloomington. And that's about three hundred and twenty thousand

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dollars today. Can you mention paying cash cairehouse would be

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pretty sweet? Bloomington, Illinois, is a mid size city in

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central Illinois with a blend of suburban neighborhoods, farmland, and

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commercial areas. It's halfway between Chicago and Saint Louis. It

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forms the Twin Cities with nearby Normal and is often

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called Blown by locals. With around seventy eight thousand residents,

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it serves as the seat of McLean County, the largest

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county in Illinois by land area. The city has an

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act of art scene, several local theaters, and hosts a

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variety of festivals and community events throughout the year. Known

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for its deep legal history, Abraham Lincoln practiced law there. Oh,

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do you remember him?

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I've heard of him.

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Bloomington has been the backdrop for several high profile criminal cases,

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including the one we're discussing here today. Home to State

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Farm Insurance headquarters in Illinois Wesleyan University, Bloomington blends a

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corporate and college town vibe. Its tight knit community and

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central location give it a mix of suburban and rural

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character that also houses the McLean County Courthouse, jail, and

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State's Attorney office, making it the legal heart of the region.

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Bloomington experiences classic Midwest weather with hot summers and cold winters.

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Bestplaces dot Com list Bloomington's violent crime index at twenty

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nine compared to a national average of twenty two point seven,

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indicating slightly above average levels. Is that more information than

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you ever needed to know about Bloomington?

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Maybe?

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David's younger brother, Jim, was shunned from the Brethren when

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he was twenty one for having sex outside of marriage.

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The situation was challenging for the family, especially because he

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still lived at home with the time with his parents.

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If rules were strictly adhered to, he'd be thrown out

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of the house and no one in his family could

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have a meal with him or even talk to him.

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If he apologized and showed genuine remorse, it was possible

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that he'd be forgiven, but he refused and left the group.

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When his father, Charles decided to move to southern Illinois,

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James stayed behind and rented a small apartment in Chicago.

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David was sympathetic to James and was the only family

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member to remain close to him. And I mentioned this

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because out of the entire family, David was mooth sympathetic

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and was it because maybe he could relate and had

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similar feelings. By July of nineteen eighty three, David had

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earned about one hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars that year,

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or about five hundred thousand dollars today. It was a

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level of wealth that neither him or his family or

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00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:42.000
Susan's family had ever known. They were humbled about people,

476
00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.000
and this kind of money was far outside of their world.

477
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:48.279
David had twice traded in his planes for newer, more

478
00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.920
expensive models and He'd even purchased a motorcycle. Sometimes he

479
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.079
took his plane on short business trips. Maybe you should

480
00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:00.000
do that, I should. David's thriving business allowed him to

481
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:04.000
become a benefactor with the launch of the Bloomington Fellowship Fund.

482
00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:07.119
Within the first half of the year, he deposited about

483
00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:10.200
twenty six thousand dollars into the account with intent to

484
00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:13.960
assist fellow Brethren members when they were going through challenging times.

485
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.160
But in April nineteen eighty three, he quietly transferred seven

486
00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.920
one hundred dollars from the Fellowship Fund into his business account.

487
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.200
David seemed to really enjoy sending money to people he

488
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.079
deemed were a need. Was he really a good guy

489
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.559
or did he just like this image of being this

490
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.319
benefactor could be The summer of nineteen eighty three was

491
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:36.839
a busy one for the Hendricks family. David bought a

492
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:39.440
van and the family took a two week road trip

493
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.200
to the Rocky Mountains. When they returned, they were busy

494
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.640
with visits from family members and trips to religious conferences.

495
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.000
At the end of the summer, Susan and David went

496
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:50.160
to London, just the two of them. I think they

497
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:54.440
were celebrating their tenth wedding anniversary. As David's success grew,

498
00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:57.680
so did his waistline. He weighed two hundred and seventy

499
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.200
five pounds. He'd gained seventy five pounds since getting married.

500
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.920
When David asked Susan what she wanted for her birthday,

501
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.119
she told him that she'd love for him to lose

502
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:10.160
weight ouch. David agreed and committed to making healthier choices.

503
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:13.279
Susan joined him in the effort for support, though at

504
00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.880
one hundred and thirty five pounds, she was already with

505
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:19.279
a healthy weight range. Remember her diary entry of I'm

506
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:22.720
going on this one thousand calories, yet that's not enough

507
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.440
calories by the way. In October, David, along with his

508
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:29.720
assistant Bev, went to Phoenix for a trade show while

509
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:33.160
Susan manned the office in their absence. Within a few months,

510
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.559
David was down about forty pounds. He shaved off his

511
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.519
mustache and got a trendier hairstyle. Uh, oh, so he's

512
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:41.480
looking good. Why do you see?

513
00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:42.200
Oh? I don't.

514
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:45.920
I just cares about it where it's going. They're still

515
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.279
really young. David is twenty nine and Susan is thirty

516
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.839
to have this much success is yeah, that's pretty pretty impressive.

517
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:58.119
On Monday, November seventh, Susan Hendricks had a doctor's appointment.

518
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.160
She'd recently found a small pain bomp on her neck

519
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:03.799
that had been bothering her. The doctor didn't have a

520
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.880
diagnosis yet, but he ordered an ultrasound to check whether

521
00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:09.400
it might be cancerous or benign, and ran a blood

522
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:12.440
test to look at her thighbroid function. Later that day,

523
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.319
Susan had lunch at home with David. He was preparing

524
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:17.960
for a business trip to Wisconsin to promote his new

525
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.880
spinal race. He was going to visit physical therapists and

526
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.759
orthodists that evening. Susan had plans to attend a baby

527
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:27.960
shower in Delavan with friends and family. Before she left

528
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.519
around five fifty p m. David told her not to

529
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.119
worry about dinner. He'd handle it and take the kids

530
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.839
out for the night. Once she was gone, David played

531
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:37.599
a bit of football in the yard with the kids.

532
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.920
He was seen by several neighbors, including Sarah Cater, who

533
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.079
had asked him for help with a mouse that she

534
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.200
found in her garbage can. After that, David showered, got

535
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.920
the kids ready, and took them to the Eastland shopping

536
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.079
Mall to see a piece of Becky's award winning artwork

537
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.519
that was on display. By six point thirty, they made

538
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.559
their way to Chuck E Cheese. David ordered a medium

539
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:01.079
veggie pizza and a pitcher of rupier. About an hour later,

540
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:02.920
he told the kids it was time to go, but

541
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.480
they begged for a little more time. He gave in,

542
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.720
told them to keep playing, and left briefly to get gas.

543
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.000
The receipt shows he filled his tank with fourteen point

544
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.799
four gallons seventeen dollars in total at a dollar eighteen

545
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.119
a gallon. The time was seven thirty six pm, so

546
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.000
he went back and picked the kids up from Chuck

547
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.839
E Cheese and made one last stop at the Bookmobile

548
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.920
before it closed. At eight fifteen. A neighbor saw them

549
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.359
leaving with fresh stacks of books. Back home, the kids

550
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.480
played a quick game of hide and seek, then got

551
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.960
ready for bed. Well David read to them for about

552
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.160
thirty minutes. When we were parents have younger children, one

553
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.160
thing that we were really strict about was bedtime. Like

554
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.720
we always had our kids at that by like I

555
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:44.880
don't know, seven thirty.

556
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.039
Or eight o'clock we had it down to a routine.

557
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.440
Yeah, and these kids were pretty young, and I know

558
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.559
Dad's in charge. But the fact that it's eight fifteen,

559
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.519
they're just leaving the bookmobile, you know. Then they're going

560
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:57.640
to go home and get ready for bed. It's kind

561
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.759
of a late bedtime because it is a school night.

562
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.480
When Susan returned from the baby shower around ten thirty pm,

563
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.559
the house was quiet and the children were fast asleep.

564
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.519
David kissed her goodbye and left for his trip to Wassaw, Wisconsin,

565
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.519
just before midnight. He grabbed a cup of coffee at

566
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.960
Perkins on his way out of town. Do you think

567
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.839
it's odd that he left at midnight for a business trip.

568
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.839
I don't know. It's hard to say. I don't know

569
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.680
his business, I don't know his routine. Yes, definitely unusual,

570
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:28.559
though I would say for people to leave on a

571
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.799
business trip. Was he flying his own plane.

572
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.759
Or this was he was driving? He was going to Wisconsin?

573
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:34.119
Okay.

574
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.039
So David had recently made a modification to his cash

575
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.759
brace and was excited to promote it. His plan was

576
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.680
to cold call about a dozen clients the next day.

577
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:46.359
The drive from Bloomington to Wassaw is about three hundred

578
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.920
and thirty miles roughly six hours. In nineteen eighty three,

579
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.440
the speed limit was just fifty five miles per hour.

580
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.880
At about four am, David pulled into a rest stop

581
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.240
to change into his suit. At seven seventeen am, he

582
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.440
stopped at a parties for breakfast, ready to start his

583
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.480
day of sales calls. So he hadn't slept the whole night,

584
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:07.359
and then he was going to, you know, start his

585
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:08.119
sales calls.

586
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.119
Okay, probably wouldn't be at your best to doing sales

587
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.359
calls without a good night.

588
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.880
Yeah, he had laid down for a few minutes, I think,

589
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.279
after before Susan got home and before he left, but

590
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.079
I don't think he really slept. So it would take

591
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:23.960
four hours and forty three minutes approximately to get from Bloomington,

592
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.359
Illinois to Stevens Point, Wisconsin where the Heartys was.

593
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.680
Okay, and he supposedly left at midnight.

594
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.599
Right, so there was some time there that either he

595
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.400
didn't leave at midnight, or there's some time that isn't

596
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:40.440
accounted for, because yeah, he would have gotten to the Heartys.

597
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.279
At like five am, yeah, or even at.

598
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.960
Six am, So it seems like there wouldn't have been

599
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.680
any traffic, right, and if you're driving after midnight, you

600
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.240
can probably go a little faster. Yeah. Yeah, so the

601
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.119
timeline is off for meat yep.

602
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.279
Despite the long night of driving, David made his first

603
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.480
call at nine am. He made several calls before checking

604
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.119
into a red roof in in Madison at three PM.

605
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.400
Okay, I wrote this, but I think he actually checked

606
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.400
into the red roof in around noon, but then went

607
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.759
on more calls and then came back to the hotel

608
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.640
at three and then he I think he was His

609
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.839
plan was to crash. Okay, he's exhausted, he hadn't slept

610
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.079
all day, so he was going to sleep at the

611
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:19.960
hotel for a little bit. So a couple of things

612
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.279
to mention about his trip. All of the calls were

613
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.400
cold calls. He didn't arrange anything in advance, okay. And

614
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.319
you know, he'd been in the business for a while,

615
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.400
so he had a lot of associates that he was

616
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:31.839
friendly with and they were all happy to see him.

617
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:33.720
It was a little loud that he didn't make any

618
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:38.000
appointments beforehand. Most of these calls lasted between five and

619
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.039
ten minutes. I thought it was a little loud that

620
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.079
he didn't bring this new brace with him, like he

621
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.079
was really proud of the new brace. He did have

622
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.240
pamphlets that described the brace, but to show you he

623
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.799
would have brought. So I don't know if he had

624
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.640
forgotten it or he just never intended to bring the brace.

625
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.559
But because David was able to cut out the middleman,

626
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.839
he made a lot of money that way. Like some

627
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.519
you know, some people did order it from like a

628
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.880
supply company, but if he was selling them, you know,

629
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.880
direct directly. Yeah, it saved the customer money. It saved

630
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.400
the client money, and David, you know, got more on

631
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:11.359
his end too, right.

632
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.359
He had tried to call home to check in with

633
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:16.680
Susan several times, but there was no answer. David knew

634
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.440
Susan had plans to have dinner with her family that evening,

635
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.279
so he wasn't too concerned, but called his office and

636
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.559
asked his assistant Bev, to keep calling Susan let her

637
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.319
know that he was finally crashing after being up for

638
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.440
almost forty eight hours without sleep. But David didn't go

639
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.720
to sleep. He continued to call home, trying to reach Susan.

640
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.359
It was nineteen eighty three, there are no cell phones,

641
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.640
he can't get a hold of his wife. How nervous

642
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.559
are you at that point, Like, You've tried to call

643
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.880
me probably four times, you know, at different different points

644
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.759
in the day. I think he called her like in

645
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:51.000
the morning and then you know, early late morning, early afternoon.

646
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:52.759
Probably wouldn't be that nervous.

647
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:54.480
It'd be too worried either. I don't know if they

648
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.359
had an answering machine. That was never made clear. I

649
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.240
would think you would, you know, leave a message. He

650
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.039
probably had an answering yeah, probably like call me, you know,

651
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.200
I don't know. Yeah, But then maybe they didn't have

652
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:08.759
an answering machine, because he told BEV specifically, like, tell Susan,

653
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.000
tell hering that the red roof in, tell her that

654
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.599
I'm going to sleep in for the next several hours.

655
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.039
So maybe they didn't have an answering mission.

656
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.400
Yeah, I know we didn't have one in nineteen eighty three,

657
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.880
but my mom was a little behind the times.

658
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:20.480
Yeah.

659
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.680
At five forty pm, he called Nadine Palmer, who was

660
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:26.440
hosting Susan and the kids that night. She told him

661
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.559
that they were expecting them at five point thirty and

662
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.720
hadn't heard from Susan that day. By this point, several

663
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:35.599
people were concerned about Susan, Becky, Grace, and Benji. David

664
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.359
made another call to John and Karen Kramer. They're good

665
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.960
friends and neighbors who lived three houses away. Karen said

666
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.640
she hadn't seen Susan or the kids all day. She

667
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.920
offered to walk over to check on them. When there

668
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.039
was no answer at the house, she checked in with

669
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.720
several other neighbors to see if anyone had seen them.

670
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:53.559
No one could confirm a sighting.

671
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.680
David called Susan's family at five forty. She's ten minutes

672
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.440
late and everyone is already worried. Do you think that's odd?

673
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.079
She was She was known to be prompt, but I

674
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:04.640
don't know how worried people would be.

675
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.759
I guess what I assumed is they were worried because

676
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.240
they hadn't heard from her all day, or they hadn't

677
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.680
seen her, or you know, the same with David too,

678
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.440
that he might have just been not worried because she

679
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.839
was ten minutes late, but because she just had been

680
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:17.839
out of communication.

681
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:18.799
True.

682
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.920
David asked Karen for the phone number for the Bloomington

683
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.680
Police Department. She offered to call, but he said that

684
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:26.880
he would rather do it. He called them at six

685
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.119
thirty four pm.

686
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.920
He called a non emergency number. Do you think that's odd? Oh?

687
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:36.519
Not necessarily he is out of town right five hours

688
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:37.720
six hours away.

689
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.000
Yeah, well, at this point, I don't think, to me,

690
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:41.960
I don't think I would be all that worried.

691
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.839
But if I don't think I would be worried enough.

692
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.079
To call the police, No, I don't think I would, especially.

693
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.279
Sorry, especially when there's so many family members that are

694
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.519
only half an hour away. Yeah, the neighbor is right there,

695
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:56.039
and there is a high a key, so Kieren the neighbor, Like,

696
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.319
I'm not sure why he wouldn't have been like Karen,

697
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:00.119
you know, maybe the phone's out of order by but

698
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.279
just you know, why didn't you just unlock the door

699
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.279
and take a look. Yeah, and there are other family

700
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.519
members that also he had keys, and I think that

701
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.840
he could have. I think personally, I would not want

702
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.679
to bother include the police in this unless I knew

703
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.239
that there was definitely something nefarious going on. I think

704
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.199
I would send a friend, a neighbor or someone like

705
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:20.519
that before I would call the police.

706
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.679
Yeah, I agree. The Bloomington police suggested that he call

707
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.119
the Illinois State Police to see if there had been

708
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.559
any accidents on the highway. There were no accidents reported

709
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.320
that evening. At seven pm, David checked out of the

710
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.199
hotel and drove home. Meanwhile, Susan's mother, Nadine, called the

711
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.760
Bloomington Police department with a suggestion check with the children's

712
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.159
school to see if they had been in attendance that day.

713
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.079
The police told her they were already dispatching an officer

714
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.079
to the Hendricks home to investigate.

715
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.760
The children were not in school that day, by the way.

716
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.000
Not willing to wait, Nadine also sent her son Nate

717
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.599
and son in law Jerry out to search the rural

718
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.480
back roads that Susan would have taken during the forty

719
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.920
five minute drive from blooming to Delevan. They arrived at

720
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.760
the house at ten ten pm and began by checking

721
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.960
the garage, but the windows were covered, making it impossible

722
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.039
to see if Susan's car was inside.

723
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.400
Susan I think had made homemade curtains for her garage.

724
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.960
I think about this all the time, like our garage windows.

725
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.760
Most people's garage windows are open. Yeah, and that really

726
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.039
is kind of dumb that we you know, it's nice

727
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.039
to have a window in your garage, right, but yeah,

728
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:23.400
you could just.

729
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.440
Go and see if your car is they're not. Yeah.

730
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.400
As they circle the house, trying to peer through the windows,

731
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.320
officers Hibbin and O'Brien approached them at the back of

732
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.920
the property. The officers instructed Nate and Jerry to remain

733
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.039
outside while they went in to investigate.

734
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.159
So this is where we began the story.

735
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.400
Right. I'm a little surprised that the officers went inside

736
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.639
the house. I don't know what the rules are, but.

737
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.320
Yeah, I was. I was surprised by that too. They

738
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.039
knew that David was on his way.

739
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.320
Yeah, and it doesn't seem like there was any imminent

740
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.800
danger or anything like that. Like I think they only

741
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.599
usually go in houses if there's a threat to someone's

742
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:59.679
life and they're you know, they need to go in.

743
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.960
Well, this was nineteen eighty three, so I don't know

744
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:02.840
if the rules were different.

745
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:06.400
Then five minutes later, the officers emerged from the house, pale,

746
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:11.400
wide eyed, visibly shaken. Officer O'Brien stepped forward, his voice

747
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:14.199
wavered as he spoke, quote, I'm sorry to have to

748
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.480
tell you they're all inside, but they're all gone. The

749
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.400
words hung in the air. All four men wished that

750
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.920
they weren't true. Jerry, stunned, grasped for an explanation. Was

751
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.360
it a gas sleek? The officers exchanged a glance. We

752
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.280
can't say anything more right now. As the weight of

753
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.320
the moment settled in, two more squad cars pulled up.

754
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.559
Flashing lights lit up the quiet street, and the house

755
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:41.159
transformed from a family home into a crime scene. At

756
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:44.760
eleven fifteen, David pulled up to Carl Drive. Nate and

757
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:48.400
Jerry met him and delivered the devastating news. David fell

758
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:52.599
to his knees, crying and wailing, but Detective O'Brien and

759
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:56.559
coroner Dan Brady remember it differently. O'Brien claims that he

760
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:58.719
was the one that told David that his family had

761
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.000
been murdered bonded quote. Oh no, did they suffer? The

762
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:07.719
detective said, quote the scene was violent. David replied, they're

763
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.119
with the lord now. When asked if he could go

764
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:12.679
into his house, the police told him not yet, but

765
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.679
they would want him to stay close. Karen Kramer took

766
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.280
David into her home, wrapped him in a blanket, and

767
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.719
gave him a cup of coffee. At eleven thirty, detectives

768
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.039
Charles Crow and Michael Scott questioned David in the Kramer's

769
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.039
home in the primary bedroom. David said he had first

770
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.159
called home at eleven thirty that morning, when no one answered.

771
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.719
He claimed it wasn't unusual for him to leave in

772
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:35.880
the middle of the night on a business trip, though

773
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.719
he usually flew his plane. He said he changed into

774
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:40.800
a suit and tie at a rest stop, but the

775
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.199
clothes that he was currently wearing were the clothes he

776
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.800
had been wearing when he left his house. When asked

777
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:48.039
if he owned an axe, he said he had one

778
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.320
in the garage, but didn't own any hunting knives. At

779
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:53.920
the end of their hour long conversation, the police asked

780
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.880
him to sign a form allowing the search of his home, vehicles, office,

781
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.159
and airplane hangar, which he complied. But they weren't done

782
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.320
with David yet. They asked him to come down to

783
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.000
the station for further questioning.

784
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.480
I think we say this just about every case, but

785
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.280
I can't imagine having to go to the police station

786
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:14.599
after your four closest family members have just been brutally murriged.

787
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.519
The early edition of the newspaper, printed hours before sunrise,

788
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:23.079
featured the headline multiple deaths probed the media works fast.

789
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.079
When David arrived at the station, he was read his

790
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:30.639
miranda rights. He seemed calm considering the circumstances. He asked

791
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.239
why he was being read his rights, and the officers

792
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.599
explained that he was the last person to see his

793
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.920
family alive. David said he kissed them all goodbye before

794
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.480
he left. Benji five had slipped into his sister's bed.

795
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:44.920
He couldn't remember if he had locked all the doors.

796
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:48.199
When asked to describe the nature of his marriage, he

797
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.800
called it happy and said that in the last hours

798
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.079
with Susan, they had decided to adopt another child. He

799
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.119
said he had no idea who would want to kill

800
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.239
his family, He had no enemies, and there was nothing

801
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.599
of value in the high But he did say that

802
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:03.840
several hundred dollars in cash was missing.

803
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.519
Hmmm, he hadn't been in the house. How did he

804
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.519
know cash was missing? That is a very good pace untuse,

805
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.880
he asked the detectives, like, oh, there's cash here, yeah,

806
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:13.639
is it missing?

807
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.159
Hm? Why would he even think? I guess maybe you

808
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.199
would think that that maybe there was a burglary, But

809
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.599
it does seem a little odd. The detectives wanted David

810
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:24.280
to take a polygraph, but he hedged. He said he

811
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.800
didn't trust them and wanted to talk to his attorney

812
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.440
before he committed to take the test. O'Brien said, quote,

813
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.760
you know what, David, the reason you don't want to

814
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.079
take the polygraph is because you're the one who killed

815
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:35.639
your family.

816
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:38.440
No, I didn't kill my family. Why would I kill

817
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.280
my family? I loved my family.

818
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.199
How could a person as religious as you profess to

819
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.760
be kill your family? That's what I want to know.

820
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:47.280
I didn't kill them.

821
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:48.960
What do you think the Lord will do? What do

822
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.159
you think will happen to a person who did something

823
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:51.599
like this?

824
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.800
I hope there will be forgiveness whoever did this. I

825
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.599
think the Lord will forgive them if they seek forgiveness.

826
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.679
I can understand how a husband might kill his wife,

827
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.159
but his children too. Were you after insurance? Was your

828
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.079
business going down the tubes and you needed some quick cash?

829
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:11.039
We don't have any insurance. The business is doing well.

830
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.400
In fact, we paid cash for the house.

831
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:15.880
What do you have some girlfriend and you wanted to

832
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.480
get rid of your wife. She probably had a boyfriend.

833
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:19.719
That was it, wasn't it.

834
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.440
No, we just celebrated our tenth anniversary. I took her

835
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.280
to England by the way, bravo. That was some of

836
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:27.480
your finest acting.

837
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.199
Thank you. The officers left the room for a few

838
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:33.000
minutes to call the Madison red roof in to request

839
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:35.440
it not be cleaned or rented until they had a

840
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.559
chance to investigate. O'Brien returned and said, David, we know

841
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.039
you did it. Just admit it now and save us

842
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.280
all the trouble. At five thirty am, the police asked

843
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.280
David for his clothing and to submit to a body scan.

844
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.400
Nothing of note was found. After six am, at his request,

845
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.320
David was taken to his office. It had already been

846
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.440
searched by law enforcement. Nothing of interest was found.

847
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.760
So what a girl night for David. Like he hadn't

848
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.239
slept at all, right, he was at the police headquarters

849
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.239
for the whole night. Yeah, he must.

850
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.400
Be completely completely drained.

851
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:19.559
We'll be back after a break. On the morning of

852
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.400
September ninth, the murders were front page news and the

853
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.559
names of the deceased were revealed. People were shocked and

854
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.800
horrified by the loss of Susan and her three children,

855
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.480
although at least one friend of the family said, quote,

856
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.559
my God, Susie went into a religious frenzy and killed

857
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:38.039
her kids and herself. It was the nineteen eighties, after all,

858
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.519
so there were rumors that a Satanic colt slayd the Hundrecks,

859
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.880
whom were the Satanic pan Yeah, of course, frightened residents

860
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.840
of Bloomington rushed to purchase handguns. The media caught Nadine

861
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.159
Palmer in front of the house on Carl Drive as

862
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.960
the bodies were being extracted and loaded into herses. She said, quote,

863
00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.960
just a perfect family, no drinking, no smoking, religious family.

864
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.320
We know that at this time they're with the Lord.

865
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.280
They're with him, they're safe, and there's no more pain

866
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.440
or sorrow for them at all. And Dave is the

867
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.079
one who has the pain right now and the rest

868
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:12.679
of the family.

869
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.159
I know this seems like an odd observation, but it's

870
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.000
really weird to start off saying no drinking, no smoking.

871
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:20.719
It's so funny. I was going to say the same thing,

872
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:25.000
like that's your first Some good people do smoke and drink.

873
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.840
Yeah, it just seems like an odd thing to say about.

874
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.360
You know, your loved ones who are have just been.

875
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.239
Killed, Well, to them it was important.

876
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.280
Now I know it's it's yeah.

877
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.880
At ten thirty am, Bloomington Police Chief Lewis of All's

878
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.639
gave a press conference. He told the media that there

879
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.000
was no suspect, that David Hendricks's alibi had been partially confirmed,

880
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.920
and they believe the murders were an isolated incident and

881
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.199
local residents need not be worried about a murderer on

882
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.119
the loose. Later, David agreed to be interviewed by a

883
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.639
reporter from the local newspaper, The Daily Pantograph and also WJBC.

884
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.800
His interview was played on the news station. He said quote,

885
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.079
I thank you for giving me the chance. I mainly

886
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.320
wanted to say to the people of this community that

887
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.880
I love you and thank you very much for all

888
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.519
the support that has come my way. It has been

889
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.239
absolutely fabulous. All the people that I didn't even realize

890
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.039
I knew that have called in here with offers for

891
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.320
help and support. I just want to say, at a

892
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.840
time like this, the love and generosity of people is tremendous.

893
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.320
I want to let the community know that the people

894
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.039
who are gone, the four that were part of my family,

895
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.719
are the most wonderful people that ever touched my life.

896
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.320
They're great David was also interviewed for a television broadcast

897
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.280
and said, quote, Susie and my three children are much

898
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.480
better off, and I wish them back for me as

899
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.800
a selfish thing, but I know that they are with

900
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.880
the Lord Jesus in heaven, and I am satisfied now

901
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.039
in knowing that. When asked if the person who murdered

902
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.760
his family should receive the death penalty, he said, quote,

903
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.960
I would like to see them get saved. It would

904
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.800
be worth it if one person found their way to heaven.

905
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:02.159
Don't you think It's.

906
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.199
Hard to know without hearing the actual audio, but just

907
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.639
hearing you read the quotes, he sounds sort of blase

908
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.000
about this. Yeah, a little more casual or a little

909
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.440
less upset than you might think.

910
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:14.840
Well the whole like they're better off with the Lord.

911
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.280
I just don't understand that sentiment.

912
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:20.239
Yeah, And to be to I understand, like a lot

913
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.719
of people find it important to forgive if somebody, you know,

914
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.280
kills your family or something like that, like for religious

915
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.519
reasons it's important to forgive. But that quickly after the

916
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.440
fact to be talking like that that, I would hope

917
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:33.159
they get saved.

918
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.360
And they're very astute of you. A lot of people

919
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.639
have pointed to that and said, you know, that's really

920
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.800
weird to me. People can understand getting there eventually, but

921
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.480
not immediately. I'm not judging him for this, just personally.

922
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.519
For me, if my family was slain, there's there's just

923
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.760
no way that I would be able to have the

924
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.920
words to speak publicly. Maybe eventually, but not that not

925
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.000
the day after. It would just be so much to process.

926
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:02.119
And again that's just me, but I would be in bed.

927
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:05.440
I would be distraught. Police, of course, were aware of

928
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.119
these interviews. A body language expert analyzed David's posture and

929
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.920
determine his behavior was rife with signs of deceit. One

930
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.480
thing that he said during an interview stuck with prosecutors.

931
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.679
He said the police told him quote, some things looked

932
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.159
like some things were taken. They had not, and no

933
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:27.400
one ever told him that. David, advised by his business attorney,

934
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.840
hired Harold Jennings to represent him. He was the most

935
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.880
esteemed criminal defense attorney in Bloomington. He advised David to

936
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.039
not cooperate with the police. If they had questions, they

937
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:41.320
would need to go through him. Later that day, David

938
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.320
met with Susan's family at the funeral home to begin arrangements.

939
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.519
It was the first time he'd seen his mother in law.

940
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.239
He cried into her arms and said, quote, I know

941
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.000
they're happy with the Lord now, but I still wish

942
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.559
they were back with me here now. David was decidedly

943
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.159
more emotional in the presence of his family than he

944
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.559
was during his police interview. The visitation was planned for

945
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.599
Friday and the funeral for Saturday. After the meeting at

946
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:06.800
the funeral home, David called the manager of the car

947
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.760
dealership where he'd just ordered two new cars, one for

948
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.800
him and one for Susan. He canceled the car for Susan,

949
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.840
but not the car for him. From the moment detectives

950
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.880
met David Hendricks, their instinct told them something was off.

951
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:23.239
He came across as rehearsed, too polished, too controlled. Sure

952
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.920
he was emotional, but it seemed as if it was

953
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.679
on cue. His account of September seventh and eighth never wavered,

954
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.280
as if he'd practiced it over and over. To them,

955
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.639
it felt more like a performance than a grieving husband's story.

956
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:39.599
Nineteen officers were assigned to the Hendricks case full time.

957
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:44.280
Their tasks included corroborating David's account, interviewing friends and family

958
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:48.880
of the Hendricks, and sorting through the landfill. When detectives

959
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.519
met with David's family, Charles Hendrick said, quote, these murders

960
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.400
were the work of Satan to break up a good

961
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.480
Christian family. He mentioned that David and his family were

962
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:02.400
free from worldly temptation because they eschewed TV, radio, smoking,

963
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.519
and drinking. A detective replied, what would you say if

964
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.480
I told you that a bottle of wine was found

965
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:11.199
in your son's home. Charles responded, quote, I'd say, if

966
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:13.400
you find the person who brought that bottle of wine

967
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.559
into the house, you'd have found the killer. This next

968
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.920
part might be a little disturbing for some listeners, as

969
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:20.639
we're going to talk about the autopsy.

970
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.360
The bodies of Susan, Becky, Grace, and Benji were sent

971
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.840
to the morgue at Brokaw Hospital. Susan had been savagely

972
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.760
struck nine times. The worst injury was a three and

973
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.800
a half inch gash to the back of her head,

974
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.480
which exposed her skull and vertebrae. She had likely died

975
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:40.159
from a brain hemorrhage within twenty minutes. The pathologists thought

976
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.039
All of the children had died quickly within seconds of

977
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.239
their injuries. Becky received a massive blow to the head

978
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.079
that resulted in a skull fracture that caused her death.

979
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.400
Grace had three large, gaping cuts on the left side

980
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.880
of the head and neck, one abrasion on the left

981
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.920
side of her forehead, and one superficial cut on the

982
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.239
upper right chest. She died from blood loss from the

983
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:04.480
cuts to her neck. Benji's skull was fractured and his

984
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.719
jaw was broken. He suffered a major brain injury and

985
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.920
fatal blood loss. The heads and faces of all the

986
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:15.199
victims were attacked. Susan had eight facial wounds, Becky two,

987
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.000
Grace five, and Benji sixteen.

988
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.559
It's shocking that Benji had the worst of the injuries.

989
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:22.639
He was the littlest.

990
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.559
Yeah, that is really shocking. And these were with an

991
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:27.599
axe or a hunting knife.

992
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:28.960
Or what was it a hunting knife It was a

993
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.960
butcher's knife, butcher so Yeah, most of the wounds were

994
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.400
I think both from the axe.

995
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:37.000
Yeah. Later the FBI would determine that the personal nature

996
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.280
of the attacks led them to believe that they had

997
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:42.440
been executed by someone well known to them. The strikes

998
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:46.079
were very accurate and intentional. None of the four victims

999
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.039
had defensive wounds and appeared to be struck in their sleep.

1000
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.800
So I was grateful to hear that, especially with the kids.

1001
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:53.800
I think about this all the time and these family

1002
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.159
annihilations situations like to be the child that is the

1003
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.960
last one it's murdered, Yeah.

1004
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.239
The last moments of your life to be like.

1005
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.119
Yeah, just horrific to think about that. Yeah.

1006
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.480
The butcher knife and the axe, believed to be the

1007
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.760
murder weapons, came from the Hendricks home. Although they were

1008
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.039
found in the girl's bedroom, the pathologists could not determine

1009
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:18.000
definitively that they were the murder weapons.

1010
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.039
But in all likelihood they were.

1011
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.639
All three children had partially digested food in their stomachs,

1012
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:27.199
identified as pizza Susan two had undigested food in her stomach.

1013
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:31.400
The pathologists wisely reserved their stomach contents, which would become

1014
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.639
pivotal later. The bodies were then sent to the Metzler

1015
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.280
Memorial Funeral Home. They were received by Bud Metzler and

1016
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:42.360
Claude Miller, who months later would become important witnesses. The

1017
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:46.039
site of four white caskets lined up all closed was

1018
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.800
shocking for the mourners. At the visitation, David was constantly

1019
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.599
flanked by family or friends lending their support. Law enforcement

1020
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:56.519
hid in the shadows, watching who came and went. They

1021
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.280
followed a man that they deemed suspicious and made note

1022
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.400
of his license. The next day, at the funeral, two

1023
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.800
hundred and fifty people attended, David was in rough shape

1024
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:10.280
and had several emotional outbursts. During the service, Police covertly

1025
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.960
photographed the license plates of all of the attendees.

1026
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:15.639
Those police are always working, Yeah.

1027
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.639
I mean it's very thorough. After midnight on September tenth,

1028
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.960
an officer who was guarding the Hendricks home answered the phone.

1029
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:26.239
The caller said, quote, mister Hendricks, I know the two

1030
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.400
people who did this. They went to Chicago. I'm sorry,

1031
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:33.039
I can't say any more. The call was untraceable.

1032
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.000
And also probably a red herring. Mm hmm.

1033
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:39.199
After the funeral was over, investigators regrouped to evaluate the

1034
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.559
evidence in the case. They had disappointingly little to go on.

1035
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.760
They called it the cleanest bloody crime scene they had

1036
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.159
ever seen. The blood was contained to the primary bedroom

1037
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:51.760
and the bedroom the children were found in. There was

1038
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:55.639
no sign of forced entry and no fingerprint or forensic evidence.

1039
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.079
Three partial footprints were found on the kitchen floor that

1040
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.119
didn't belong to any of David's shoes. All of the

1041
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:04.960
pea traps in the Hendrix's home were checked for signs

1042
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:08.159
of blood, as were the sewer lines, and none was found.

1043
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.480
A pea trap is the bend in a pipe that

1044
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.920
allows water to collect at the bottom of the pipe,

1045
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.639
which prevents sewer gases from entering the home.

1046
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.840
Oh, now you know what it is. I texted you

1047
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:20.559
the other day like.

1048
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.880
Do you know what heard that? Yeah, I'd never heard

1049
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:24.239
that term.

1050
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.719
Well, do you remember one of our houses, the bathroom

1051
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:29.960
that we didn't use very often? A lot of times

1052
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.239
the pea trap would have vaborate and then we would

1053
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:33.679
have this.

1054
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.119
Yeah, I mean, I know what it was, but I

1055
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.000
always just called it a trap, So gotcha. The washing

1056
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.639
machine was also checked for blood residue, but none was

1057
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:45.159
found there either the murder weapons. Neither the axe nor

1058
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.880
the knife contained any fingerprints. Although Becky and Benji's hair

1059
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.880
was found on the blade, the clothes that David had

1060
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.880
turned over had no blood on them. The investigation of

1061
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:57.679
the house was so thorough two weeks after the murder's

1062
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.159
law enforcement still had possession of the house. David had

1063
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.639
been staying with friends, but then decided to rent a

1064
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.800
mobile home. He called the police with updates about his life.

1065
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.599
He knew that he was being followed. He had also

1066
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:12.840
gotten his new car, a Pontiac six thousand ste.

1067
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.360
So he would call the police and he would say,

1068
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:19.079
got my new car. So now you know that you

1069
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.679
need to follow the Pontiac six thousand or you know. Yeah,

1070
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.280
he really knew that they were on his trail. Yeah,

1071
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:26.840
he was trying to be helpful.

1072
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.320
The search of Hendrick's car, office, and hangar all came

1073
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.719
up empty too. He was able to produce receipts proving

1074
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:38.119
what time he left Bloomington. Investigators interviewed violent criminals in

1075
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:41.679
the area and all had solid alibis. Told that David

1076
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:45.119
would only answer questions through his attorney, the detectives compiled

1077
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.800
a list of twenty questions for him. One thing that

1078
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.000
bothered investigators was the time of death and the contents

1079
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.159
of the children's stomachs. A reliable time of death had

1080
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:56.800
been hard to pin down, but the three children all

1081
00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:00.519
had undigested pizza in their stomachs. It typically takes two

1082
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.360
to four hours for the stomach to empty, depending on

1083
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:06.360
what was consumed. The latest possible time they could have

1084
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:09.360
eaten was seven PM, and the earliest time they could

1085
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.360
have been killed if David wasn't responsible, would have been

1086
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:16.679
midnight after he left, so their stomach should have been empty. However,

1087
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.519
David claimed that they had taken the remaining pizza home

1088
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.880
and the kids had eaten the leftovers before bed. A

1089
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:26.639
medium pizza typically has eight slices of pizza. Could they

1090
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.519
all have eaten only one slice of pizza at the restaurant.

1091
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.280
There was no pizza box found in the trash, but

1092
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:35.880
it was garbage night, and neighbors recalled seeing David haul

1093
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.159
their cans to the curb.

1094
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.360
I think I could be wrong about the size of

1095
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:44.000
the pizza. The pizza could have had ten slices. Okay, Well,

1096
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.000
put a pin in this and come back to it later.

1097
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:50.280
Later, doctor Michael Boden analyzed the stomach contents.

1098
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:50.840
And of course he did.

1099
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.800
Of course, he believed that the children were killed two

1100
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:57.000
to four hours after eating the pizza, between nine and

1101
00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:58.079
eleven PM.

1102
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.079
I think you can tell already that the stomach contents

1103
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.400
are going to become a major part of this case. Yeah,

1104
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.039
and I think we say this every case, but doctor

1105
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.159
Michael Boden, how is he involved in every single.

1106
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:11.480
High profile pretty amazing?

1107
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.119
Yeah, but this was in the peak of his career. Really,

1108
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:15.280
because it's nineteen eighty three.

1109
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:18.679
The investigators called David and asked him to come answer

1110
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.599
the questions in person, arguing that they wanted to clear

1111
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.159
him so they could focus on other leads. That's always

1112
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:26.280
what they say. We just want to clear you so

1113
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.840
we can get to the It's true, though he refused

1114
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:32.920
and only answered two of the twenty questions investigators had

1115
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:34.119
requested that he answer.

1116
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:35.760
So is that suspicious to you?

1117
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:36.920
Kind of? Yeah?

1118
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:37.400
Yeah.

1119
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:42.119
McClean County State's attorney Ron Doser was growing increasingly frustrated

1120
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.079
when he requested again that David take a lie detector

1121
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.840
test Harold Jennings. His attorney implied they would consider it

1122
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:52.199
if passing would eliminate him as a suspect. Afraid that

1123
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.880
Hendricks was a sociopath capable of beating the test, Dojer

1124
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.920
refused to entertain the idea. He decided to hold a

1125
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:02.320
press conference for the information hungry media two weeks after

1126
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:05.639
the murders. Quote mister Hendricks is not helping with the

1127
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:08.480
investigation of the murders of his wife and three children.

1128
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.559
He has refused to be interviewed by police. He's been

1129
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:15.000
on TV professing to be a practicing Christian and professing

1130
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.599
to be innocent. He has said publicly that he is

1131
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.000
concerned and upset and wants to cooperate, but he's not.

1132
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:23.960
I'd like to see the real David Hendricks stand up.

1133
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.480
When asked if David was a suspect, Dojer said, quote,

1134
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:29.920
I can't say he's a suspect, but there are some

1135
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.880
things about the case that point in this direction. I'd

1136
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.960
like to see him take a polygraph examination. I'm wondering

1137
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.400
why a person who really has nothing to hide, who

1138
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.519
has done nothing wrong, would object to simply going through

1139
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:44.679
in detail with the police what his activities were the

1140
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:45.639
night that he left.

1141
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.280
Would you take a polygraph in this situation.

1142
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:50.280
If I was innocent, I probibly you would be innocent.

1143
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:51.480
You wouldn't kill your family.

1144
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.960
No. Ron Dojer had grown up in a strict fundamentalist

1145
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.599
Christian household, so when it came to understanding David Hendricks,

1146
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.880
he believed that he had a unique perspective he saw

1147
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.599
in David the familiar pressures of religious discipline and the

1148
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:09.360
internal conflict that can come when personal desires clashed with

1149
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:13.320
deeply held beliefs. In Doser's view, David's actions may have

1150
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:17.039
been driven by guilt over some hidden transgression, something that

1151
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.039
felt so incompatible with his faith that it pushed him

1152
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.599
to the breaking point. He had rather send his family

1153
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.599
to heaven, where they remained innocent and clean from his

1154
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:31.239
ungodly actions. Alternatively, Dojer suspected that David's rapid financial success

1155
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.679
had pulled him away from the austere, disciplined life that

1156
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.639
he had once embraced. Maybe he was simply tired of

1157
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:41.119
the rules. Maybe he craved freedom, the thrill of luxury,

1158
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:45.159
status and indulgence. Dojer believed that David wanted to shed

1159
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:48.320
the burdens of his devout lifestyle and fully embrace the

1160
00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.400
fast paced, pleasure filled world that his wealth could now

1161
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:55.079
buy him. They had been tailing David NonStop, but so far,

1162
00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:57.639
he hadn't done anything out of the ordinary. He met

1163
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:02.159
with fellow brethren, visited family, visited the gravesite of Susan Becky,

1164
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.880
Grace and Benji So. A month into the investigation, David

1165
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:08.880
was the only suspect. As much as the state's attorney

1166
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.280
wanted to arrest him, there just wasn't enough evidence. Here's

1167
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:16.199
what they had, his overall demeanor, body language, and willingness

1168
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.719
to forgive the perpetrator so quickly. Both murder weapons came

1169
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:22.880
from inside the house. There was no motive for anyone else.

1170
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.519
And the odd time he left for his business trip,

1171
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.280
and I guess there was the food evidence to seem

1172
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:29.480
to kind of point to David.

1173
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:31.280
Okay, you're going to be mad, but this is where

1174
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:32.360
we're ending Part one.

1175
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:35.119
I am a little mad because I'm really intrigued by

1176
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.559
this case and I can't believe I wasn't familiar with

1177
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:39.480
it at all. It does. None of it sounds familiar

1178
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:39.679
to me.

1179
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.519
Yeah, so there really isn't much evidence here. No, there's

1180
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.559
not evidence pointing to David, but there's not evidence pointing

1181
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.519
to anyone else either. My question for you is the

1182
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:52.079
lack of evidence evidence in itself.

1183
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:52.599
Hmm.

1184
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:56.880
Like, David is known to be a very fastidious man. Now,

1185
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.480
if he were the one who committed the murders, of

1186
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.800
course he would, you know, have a plan, very smart man,

1187
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:05.199
and he would be able to you know, leave a

1188
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.599
very clean crime scene, right, The crime scene is shockingly clean.

1189
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:10.480
We're going to talk more about this in part two.

1190
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:12.199
But there's there's there's nothing.

1191
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.880
Yeah, you would think with the murders being committed the

1192
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.159
way that they were, with all that blood and everything,

1193
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.960
there would be a trail of blood or there would

1194
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.159
be some more forensic evidence at the scene, which does

1195
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:25.880
to your point. Obviously, David lived in the house, so

1196
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:27.840
his fingerprints are going to be all over the house

1197
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.079
as well. So the fact that there weren't other fingerprints

1198
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:33.760
found or other evidence of other people in the house

1199
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:36.920
does kind of make me think that points to David.

1200
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:38.920
Yeah, and I don't want to say this yet, but

1201
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.159
this case reminds me of another case that we did

1202
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.599
a while ago. But yeah, just the lack of evidence

1203
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.559
is kind of crazy, something that I didn't mention. I

1204
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:50.199
don't think we're going to talk about it in part two.

1205
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.000
But when you hit some moon with an axe, I

1206
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.079
actually thought about having you do a recreation with a watermelon,

1207
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:59.960
just so we could see how much splittered. But who

1208
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.960
whoever the murderer was like, would have gotten so much

1209
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:07.199
spray on them, because like some of the wall didn't

1210
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.639
have spray because the murderer blocked it and they took

1211
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:12.880
the spray instead of the wall. You know what I'm saying.

1212
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:15.679
Yeah, that's interesting. One thing I was going to ask

1213
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.440
you about is I think you said there were three

1214
00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:21.280
footprints or shoe prints that weren't David's shoes.

1215
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.000
Yeah, we don't know that. You know, David couldn't have

1216
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:27.320
you taken those shoes because we know that his route

1217
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:32.639
from blooming Bloomington to Wassau it probably took longer than

1218
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.119
it needed to. He could have stopped at any number

1219
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.280
of places, and yeah, it's trash. I believe that the

1220
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.320
police did search the highway for evidence and didn't find any.

1221
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:43.199
I mean, that's a long route to search.

1222
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:46.039
Absolutely. So if we're to believe that someone came into

1223
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.039
the house to burgle it, why would they have to

1224
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:49.880
kill the family?

1225
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.800
No, I mean burglary. It makes no sense at all.

1226
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:55.519
If you're gonna rob a house, first of all, you're

1227
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:57.519
not out to kill somebody, And second of all, you're

1228
00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.280
not going to kill them by hitting them eleven or

1229
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.239
multiple times with an axe. That just doesn't make any sense.

1230
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:06.360
And most most people that rob houses, they do not

1231
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.000
want to kill anyone. They are just looking for money.

1232
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:10.840
Yeah. The only two things that make sense to me

1233
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.559
are David did it or it was like a Charles

1234
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:15.880
Manson type situation where it was like a you know,

1235
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:19.719
not necessarily satanic, but some you know, something like that.

1236
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.840
So if that's the case, those people would they wouldn't

1237
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.360
care to leave the crime scene clean, right, They would

1238
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:28.400
be dripping blood through the hallway and on the doors

1239
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.679
and yeah. And also they would have brought a murder

1240
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:34.440
weapon along with them, right, and these murders where like

1241
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:36.639
the axe was from the garage, the butcher knife was

1242
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:37.360
from the kitchen.

1243
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:37.960
Good point.

1244
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:46.400
So you'll come back for a part two. Absolutely, we'll

1245
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:49.480
talk more about this in part two. But David's appearance

1246
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:53.119
change was actually evidence for a lot of people, Like

1247
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.880
he lost weight, he shaved off his mustache, he got

1248
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:56.880
a better hair, cuye.

1249
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.480
I mean you heard how I reacted to it. Yeah, Like, okay,

1250
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:01.519
I could see this is going but it just.

1251
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:05.000
Made me laugh because facial hair. David got me thinking

1252
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.440
about men and facial hair. I am not a fan

1253
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:09.760
of men's facial hair, but all of a sudden, it's

1254
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:14.559
like the trend, Like I cannot believe that mustaches are back,

1255
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.280
you know, like I know in the eighties, you know,

1256
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:19.599
like Magnum p I had a mustache and other men

1257
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:22.000
grew a mustache, but they were kind of I thought

1258
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.280
maybe you had a mustache, didn't you really?

1259
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:27.639
I look back on pictures that I'm like, oh, that

1260
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:28.760
was not a good look.

1261
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:31.840
Yeah, it's just shocking to me that facial hair is back,

1262
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.599
especially in most A lot of men have beards.

1263
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.519
Yeah, I think beard. To me, a beard can look

1264
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.880
good like just having a mustache, though on its own,

1265
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:42.280
yeah looks kind of cheesy.

1266
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:44.159
Yeah, you did have a beard for well, A lot

1267
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.119
of people say, like a beard from man is like

1268
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:51.400
man makeup. You have a lovely square jaw, but.

1269
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.559
You know, suffers up some imperfection, right, like a weak.

1270
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.159
Chin or you know, not a not a strong jaw line.

1271
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:00.000
So I don't know, I have a few backs for you,

1272
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.320
Okay about facial hairs. So, beards were once taxed in

1273
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:09.119
sixteen ninety eight Russia Tzarpeter the Great imposed of Beard

1274
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.159
tax Men had to shave or pay to keep their

1275
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.000
facial hair, and if they paid, they got a special

1276
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.199
beard token to prove that they'd ponied up.

1277
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:22.719
That's really quite a way to provide an incentive not

1278
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:23.519
to have facial hair.

1279
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:26.800
I guess in Victorian England they were actually military regulations

1280
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:32.119
requiring mustaches for soldiers in certain regiments. Abraham Lincoln grew

1281
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.000
his iconic beard after an eleven year old girl wrote

1282
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.480
him and said he'd looked better with one. He took

1283
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:40.199
her advice, and it became one of the most famous

1284
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:44.000
beards in history. Beards can actually protect your face. Studies

1285
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:46.159
have shown that beards can block up to ninety five

1286
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:48.360
percent of UV rates. I'm not trying to talk you

1287
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:51.519
and it grows, it sounds like you are potentially lowering

1288
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.079
the risk of sun damage and even skin cancer on

1289
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.840
the covered areas. I also read that beards can help

1290
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:02.840
allergies because they trap allergy. I guess I think that's

1291
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:05.840
one of my maybe my biggest problem with like facial

1292
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.639
hair and manages. You can't stuck in it egg yoke

1293
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:12.239
and great like it's just yeah. There is a World

1294
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.880
Beard and Mustache Championship, which really isn't that surprising, but

1295
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.360
people from around the world compete in categories like freestyle beard,

1296
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.280
Imperial mustache, and even full beard.

1297
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.599
I saw a video the other day of a guy.

1298
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:26.960
This must have been like maybe he competed in that

1299
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.760
competition or whatever. He had this mustache and he showed

1300
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.320
a picture of himself grooming it. And this mustache went

1301
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.679
around like up to his eyes, like it rolled around

1302
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.639
almost like his eyes, like it was almost in front

1303
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:39.159
of his eyes of it.

1304
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:40.800
I think it has to redo it every day.

1305
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:42.719
It looked like and it looked like it took forever.

1306
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:47.280
Ache mustaches had their own club in London. The Handlebar Club,

1307
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:50.280
founded in nineteen forty seven, is only open to men

1308
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:55.719
with a graspable mustache and no beards. They're still going strong.

1309
01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:59.320
In the eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, wanted criminals

1310
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:02.920
often shaved beards or mustaches to avoid being identified. I

1311
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:04.519
think any criminal would do that.

1312
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:06.039
Today, Yeah, I would think so.

1313
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:09.679
Before fingerprinting in digital records, that was sometimes all it

1314
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:12.440
took to throw off the law. I think, Yeah, there's

1315
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.880
a lot of easy ways to change your appearance. Yeah, right,

1316
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.559
true or false? Beards grow faster and cold weather.

1317
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:22.880
Gosh, I'm gonna say false. Yeah, I wouldn't think so.

1318
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:27.280
Hair grows faster in warmer months due to increased testosterone

1319
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.599
and blood flow interesting. All right, that's all I have

1320
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.559
on facial hair. Thank you for taking that little journey,

1321
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:33.400
all right, well.

1322
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.119
No, thank you for encouraging me to grow a beard again.

1323
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:39.360
Please you heard that, then you're hearing the wrong thing.

1324
01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:44.119
But if honestly, though, if you really want to, you

1325
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:45.079
should really.

1326
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:46.679
Last time I grew a beard, you were.

1327
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:47.360
I didn't like.

1328
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:48.599
Well.

1329
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:51.079
I think part of the problem is that like, it

1330
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.800
looks okay, but then you're not good at like you

1331
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:56.119
have to keep it really short, I think, and like

1332
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.119
once it gets just looks not good. But if you're

1333
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:01.320
out there and you have a I totally support it.

1334
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.119
But it's different when it's your sweetypie husband who's the

1335
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:07.559
cutest man in the whole universe. I want to say

1336
01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:10.360
thank you to other sweet listeners. We've had a couple

1337
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:13.800
of hard cases and several people reached out and were like, hey,

1338
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.920
are you guys Okay, those were some hard cases you

1339
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.719
had to cover, And is that just so kind? Yeah?

1340
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:20.920
Really? Is We have the nicest listener.

1341
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:25.400
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1342
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:28.440
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1343
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:31.320
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1344
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:33.639
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1345
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:36.800
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Don't kill your wife and don't kill your husband.

1353
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:42.159
Hi, I'm Tina and I'm rich. And if there's one

1354
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.360
thing we've learned over twenty years of marriage, some days

1355
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.280
you'll feel, oh my god.

1356
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.480
That next line is mine actually told.

1357
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:51.000
Okay,