June 23, 2025

Susan and David Hendricks - Part 2

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On the night of November 8, 1983, David Hendricks returned home from a business trip to find his wife, Susan, and their three young children brutally murdered in their beds. They had been killed with an axe and a butcher knife—both from the family home. Investigators quickly turned their focus to David. There were no signs of forced entry, the burglary attempt seemed staged, and there were no other viable suspects. It was called the “cleanest bloody crime scene”. David’s unemotional demeanor, strange midnight business trip, and seemingly rehearsed account raised suspicions, and the coroner’s estimate of the time of death—based on the children’s stomach contents—suggested the murders occurred before David left for his trip. Prosecutors theorized he was growing restless in his strict religious life and may have killed his family to escape it. Did David Hendricks kill his family or was it an intruder?

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Hi. I'm Tina, and I'm Rich. And if there's one

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thing we've learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's

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that some days you'll feel like killing your wife, and

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some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

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Welcome to love, Mary Kill Hi Rich, Hi Tina.

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How are you.

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I'm doing pretty good. How are you?

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I'm pretty good too. A little sleepy. I think you're

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a lot sleepy.

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Him.

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My slept recording earlier than we normally record, so we

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both just kind of rolled out of bed and yeah.

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Well, I slept writing nine hours last night and I

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still I could have slept probably three more.

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Wow. Well, I hope you get a chance to catch

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up soon.

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Me too.

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I have a bone to pick with you. Uh oh,

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I got up before you and the bed was not made.

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Oh that's weird. Yeah, I wonder how that how did

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not get made?

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Well, even if I round down, I am in bed

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one hundred percent of the time after you And uh yeah,

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so you were the last one up today. So which

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is your responsibility to make the bed?

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It happens so rarely you do that real quick, Yeah,

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let me go do that.

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What percentage of the time do you think most people

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make their beds.

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Well, I don't know, like on average overall of all

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the people.

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Yeah, you think it's fifty percent. Yeah, I bet it's

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higher than that.

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Well, I don't know.

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We make ours pretty much one percent.

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That's when I get up after you par I.

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Mean, i'll make it later. Maybe you'll make it later.

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I don't know. I think there's an intimidation factor sometimes

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because you're not Maybe it's good.

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It's a skill and I am not very good at it.

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You're a scene. I think it probably sent you to

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YouTube videos of like Pete. There's a competition bed making competitions. Yeah,

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it's pretty impressive. But they're making the bed like from

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the ground up. They're even putting like the Devey and

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the cover. It's it's you don't remember seeing them. I'll

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show you later. It's pretty entertaining.

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I just watch entertainment.

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I could watch it all day loud. I almost forgot.

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I made you a snack, okay, because we have not

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been able to go to BUCkies, I brought BUCkies to you, okay.

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I made you homemade.

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Bever Oh wow.

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Yeah. We've been trying to eat a little healthier around

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here and trying not to eat things that don't actually

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look like food, and beaver nuggets are probably the least

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foody thing that you can eat. But these are, if

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I say, do say so myself, these.

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Are pretty really good.

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It's not like I made them from scratch. I actually

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did see a recipe where you could make beaver nuggets

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from scratch, like with corn meal. No, this, I just

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bought a bag of.

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Like puffs, oh okay, like corn puffs.

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Corn puffs, and then you just put it. It's essentially

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like caramel corn. But it does taste like a beaver's.

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Bucky bucky beaver's nuggets. Beavers, why are you laughing at me?

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Say it does taste like a beaver's and waiting for

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the next word, But yeah, I get it.

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They're actually the news this morning, the ann Arbor News.

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Some beavers were killed at a damn. Oh yeah, isn't

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that horrible?

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Yeah?

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Okay, anyway, brought me down. Do you want to drive

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these beaver nuggets real quick?

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I do.

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What did you think of the homemade beaver nuggets?

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Really good?

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They liked them.

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Taste pretty much like caramel corn. But yeah, they tasted

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not very different from the BUCkies ones. Maybe a little

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little chewier, but oh, they were really good.

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I didn't cook them quite as long as the recipe said.

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You cooked them at two hundred and fifty degrees and

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you were supposed to toss them every ten minutes, and

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I was like, I'm busy for this, so I probably

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cooked them for like forty minutes. And I think they

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may be a little stickier than they should be, but yeah,

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I think they're pretty pretty delicious. Can you rate my snack?

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I'll give you the nine out of ten.

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Wow, all right, cool? Do you ready to get back

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to David Hendricks?

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Sun. Yeah, I'm really interested to see what happens in

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this one.

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Do you want to give us a summary?

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On the night of November eighth, nineteen eighty three, David

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Hendricks returned home from a business trip to find his wife,

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Susan and their three young children brutally murdered in their beds.

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They had been killed with an axe and a butcher knife,

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both from the family home. Investigators quickly turned their focus

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to David. There were no signs of forced entry, the

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burglary attempt seemed staged, and there were no other viable suspects.

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It was called the cleanest bloody crime scene. David's unemotional demeanor,

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strange midnight business trip, and seemingly rehearsed account raised suspicions,

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and the coroner's estimate of the time of death, based

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on the children's stomach contents, suggested the murders occurred before

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David left for his trip. Prosecutors theorized that he was

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growing restless in his strict religious life and may have

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killed his family to escape it.

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Is there anything else that we should mention? From episode one?

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We briefly mentioned his late night business trip. I thought

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that was really interesting because he supposedly left it midnight

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to drive to a business trip in Wisconsin, La four

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and a half, four hours and forty five minutes away.

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It was three hundred miles, yeah.

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And so he left at midnight but didn't get there

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until seven when we know.

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That he stopped at a Hearty's as I think it

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was seven to seventeen am.

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So there's really an extra at least hour hour and

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a half in there that doesn't really.

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There's no corroborating evidence that he left Bloomington at midnight.

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I looked on zillow dot com and there are pictures

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of three pin to three Carl drive the Hendricks home.

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I'm sure that the home has been updated and it's

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changed hands several times, but it does look like the

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floor plan is similar, so I will put that in

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our show notes if anyone wants to look at pictures

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of the house. A break, small but potentially explosive, finally

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came when investigators learned that David had hired models to

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wear his brace, young attractive models, at least a dozen.

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The state's attorney was sure that Hendrix had an inappropriate

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relationship with at least one of these models. So up

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until this point, we have had no real motive, right right.

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We know that he updated his hair.

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He opited his hairstyle, shaved off his loss lawsome weight,

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but there's been no evidence that he's sought any relationship

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out center business, and.

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There was no evidence of their marriage having no issues.

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Yeah, they seemed very happy. It wasn't much, but it

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was something, something that portrayed David as someone different from

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the devout and loyal husband and father that he claimed

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to be. Investigators devised a plan bring David in for

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questioning while simultaneously interviewing the women, hoping the pressure would

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rattle him and shake loose a confession. One of the

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women was also represented by Hale Jennings, David's own attorney.

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When she called Hale seeking advice about complying with the

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police interview, Jennings saw through the trap and called David

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to give him a heads up. On Sunday, December fourth,

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nineteen eighty three, David called his parents with a startling confession.

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Something had been weighing heavily on his conscience. The next day,

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December fifth, at one pm, David was arrested at his office.

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As he was let out and handcuffs, he glanced over

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his shoulder and shouted to his assistant, call my attorney.

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David was paraded through the Bloomington police station, where he

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saw several of the models he'd worked with being interviewed.

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He seemed unbothered, most likely because he'd been tipped off.

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He was read as rights booked and taken to the

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McLean County Jail. He was put on suicide watch for

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twenty four hours as a precaution. The next morning, he

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asked for a bucket and a scrub brush to clean

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his cell, which he scrubbed vigorously. So David likes things clean.

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If he's a sastidious man, so now we know he

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likes to clean. While David was in jail, the investigation

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at three Pinet, three Carl Drive was ongoing. Investigators sprayed

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the house from top to bottom with luminol. The hall

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bathroom lit up impressively. The bathroom and shower walls were

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covered in blue. Later that afternoon, during his arraignment, David

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pleaded not guilty. He was denied bond. There was little

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chance he'd be released before the trial. Despite being only

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thirty years old. Susan Hendrix had left a will behind

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as a reminder David, it's twenty nine and Susan thirty.

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They're still very young. They've been married for ten years.

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They got married very young. But he's doing really well.

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He's super successful, right. Some people have referred to him

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as a millionaire. I don't think he was quite there yet,

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but he was doing really well. Susan's estate was worth

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about one hundred and thirty thousand dollars were well named

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David as her beneficiary, but because he was a suspect

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in her murder, the money was to go to the

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next named parties, who were the children in the instance

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of their death. The money was to be split between

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Susan and David's siblings. They all agreed to waive the

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inheritance and donate the money to David's legal bills. Oh wow,

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so the families. Both families are one hundred percent solidly

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behind David. Interesting David sold the home on Carl Drive

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for just eighty four thousand dollars, way below market value,

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and he also sold the patent to his brace. I

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think they bought the home about a year a year

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and a half earlier for a ninety four thousand dollars.

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On December fifteenth, the grand jury convened. Most of the

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witnesses were investigators, but also bev David's assistant testified. The

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new blood evidence found during the luminol test was presented.

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The hearing took just over a week. At the end,

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they voted for indictment. After Christmas, on December twenty seventh,

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the police were finally done with the investigation of the

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Hendricks home and released it back to his family. The

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house that Susan had meticulously cleaned and cared for was

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in shambles. After law enforcement was finished, the defense was

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allowed an investigation of the house. We've probably talked about

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this before, but luminol really destroys everything that it touches,

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and it all has to be repainted and replaced. And

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when the defense was finished with the home, Laverne Hendrix

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and Nadine Palmer cleaned the house from top to bottom

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and packed up the family's belongings, truly a heartbreaking task.

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In accordance with Illinois law, David was allowed to veto

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a judge. He vetoed the first two and settled on

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Judge James nect.

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I don't know if it's just Illinois law. I didn't

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know that the defendant hand that right.

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Yeah, that's kind of weird. Like if you have a

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reputation as a tough judge, you would probably always be

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getting vetoed. Hal Jennings told David that he would need

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to hire an additional attorney to work on the case.

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He hired Mike Costello from Springfield, Illinois. The defense asked

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for a venue change, citing a survey that they'd done

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where ninety six percent of respondents had seen David Hendricks

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on the news, sixty eight percent thought he was definitely guilty,

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and ninety percent thought he was probably guilty.

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That's a pretty high yes.

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The judge reluctantly ruled to move the trial. Both attorneys

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agreed on Rockford, Illinois, the second largest city in Illinois,

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about two hours north of Bloomington near the Wisconsin border.

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I know her well, Yes you do. I grew up

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in the Rockford area.

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In August, the defense team moved to have some of

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David's conversations with police before he was mirandized stricken from

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the record. They also wanted to limit any discussion of

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the hendricks Brethren faith and the models who had worked

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with David. Defense was also frustrated that they had no

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idea what motive the prosecution would be arguing. The judge

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ruled in favor of the state. The defense was nervous

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about what the state might throw at them. They knew

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that David wasn't the perfect Christian man he pretended to be,

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and that he would be vulnerable in front of a jury.

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The defense's strategy was to raise the possibility that the

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murders had been done by a serial killer. The problem

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was there were no similar killings in the area. Throughout

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the country, however, there are examples of madmen showing up

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to kill a family at random.

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the loose that will attack a family at random sometimes.

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But would that person leave the house in Christine order?

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Right? Are they going to clean up and go in

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the shower? Right?

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Would they take the time to make this weak attempt

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at making the house look like a hitdmen burglarized?

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So I do question that.

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I know it's possible, though, yeah, it seems very unlikely.

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While David awaited trial, he sat in jail and read

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over the Discovery documents. He was dismayed by some of

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what he read, which prompted him to write a letter

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he sent to two dozen friends and family members in

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February nineteen eighty four.

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I'll read the letter for you. In reading through the Discovery,

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I've seen many of the interviews the police have had

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with some of you. I must say that I have

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been very unpleasantly surprised at the way innocent statements of

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yours are twisted to make them say things that you

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didn't really mean to say. I say surprised because I

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really expected the police and prosecutors to try to find

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out facts and determine the truth. But it has become

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obvious that they are simply interested in recording only those

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things that they can use to convict me. They have

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used guile to see and outright lies. Therefore, I would

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advise you all, if you care about me want to

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help me, do not talk to the police. Don't even

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listen to them. Don't even record your no comment comments.

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For now, silence is golden. Thanks. There are many things

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I want to explain to you all and share with you,

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but I can't because of these charges hanging over my head. However,

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when this is over and I am free, we'll share everything.

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One thing I ask is for your continued prayers. I

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still miss Susie terribly and think of my dear children often.

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I thought that perhaps by now grief would have largely

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been assuaged, but it persists with seemingly undiminished force. Also,

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of course, your prayers regarding my upcoming trial are greatly appreciated.

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I also pray for many of you each day. Please

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continue to write. I hope I haven't offended anyone by

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this impersonal response. May God richly bless each of you.

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I love you all affectionately and appreciatively. David. I took

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some of the letter out just so you know.

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Some of that sounds a little like witness tampering. To me,

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I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like he's kind

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of trying to influence, right. It sounded vaguely threatening, Yeah,

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a little bit.

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Yeah, keep your mouth shut.

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David cell was checked three times a day. The jail

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was afraid he would take his own life. Four days

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before the trial was set to start, Hendricks asked state

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Attorney Ron Dozer for a meeting, to which he agreed.

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Doser posed a scenario to David that if he can,

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he would not seek the death penalty. David acted offended

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by the suggestion. He told Dojer that he was not

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a murderer. He was innocent. He would never harm anyone,

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let alone his family. David implored him to drop the

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charges against him, told him it was his duty. Dojer

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saw himself in Hendrix and began to think it was

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possible that he was innocent. Quote, you're either a hell

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of a good salesman or you're innocent. I don't know which.

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Doser told him to give him a few days to

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think about it. To close the meeting, the men set

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a prayer together, led by Ron Dojer. Quote, we pray

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God that you will give us the love and courage

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to see that justice is done. Amen.

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That was kind of a strange meeting, right, It seems.

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Like that very strange. Yeah, the States Attorney would even

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at that point they've.

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Already entertain dismissing the charges. I think dojer really struggled

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with this case a lot.

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He also was a very religious man, so.

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A little bit, and he I think had a hard

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time wrapping his head around a man like himself committing

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this horrible crime.

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Yeah. The trial faced an unexpected delay when Judge Necked

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was hospitalized with a back injury that required surgery. In

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his place, Judge Richard Bayner was reassigned to oversee the case.

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Originally expected to last six to eight weeks, the proceedings

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were pushed back by two weeks. Jury selection began at

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the Winnebago County Courthouse in Rockford, Illinois, a change of

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venue meant to help ensure fairness due to the case's

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high profile status. Still, finding twelve impartial jurors who were

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also open to imposing the death penalty proved challenging. After

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nine days of questioning, the final jury was seated six

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women and six men, all white, with an average age

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of thirty three and largely middle class backgrounds. Four alternates

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were also chosen. On October ninth, nineteen eighty four, the

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first day of the trial, the courtroom was about half

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full with curious spectators. Prosecutors Brad Murphy and Ron Doser

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represented the state, while David was defended by Hal Jennings

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and John Long.

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I know sometimes we go through the trials and it

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can be a little bit boring, but in this case,

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the trial revealed a lot of things about the case

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that we hadn't learned up until this point. Okay, so

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we're just going to highlight some of those things.

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David's legal bills were quickly mounting. Jennings and Long were

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staying at the nicest hotel in Rockford. The Hendricks family

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was footing the bill for their hotel and all of

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their expenses. Irritated by their extravagant spending, the family complained

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and the attorneys agreed to stay at a more modest hotel.

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Do you know what the nicest hotel in Rockford was?

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So you spent a fair amount of time in Rockford.

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Tower Clack Tower, yeah, I remember that.

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The clock tower was just I mean you could see

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it for miles. It was a big wedding there once

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we went to Ye, my friend got married there. I

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think we even stayed there.

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Do you know what that it was demolished?

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Oh no, I didn't.

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Yeah, which was shocking to me. Wow, tower and everything. Yeah,

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we haven't been back in a long time. Yeah, it's

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all gone.

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In his opening statement, Prosecutor d Murphy painted a picture

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of a man eager to escape the life that he

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had built. David Hendrix, he argued, had found financial success,

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lost weight, improved his appearance, made lavish purchases, and begun traveling,

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more signs of a man seeking a more exciting, liberated existence.

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Be careful, guys, if you're losing weight out there, because

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people will, you know, look at you differently.

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Oh yeah. Murphy suggested that David craved sexual freedom and

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a lifestyle that no longer aligned with the strict beliefs

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of the Brethren. While Susan was a kind and lovely woman,

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she remained deeply committed to their faith and had no

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interest in change. A divorce or extramarital affair would have

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cost David everything, his status, his community, and the support

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of his friends and family. Murphy implied that murder was

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the only way David could be free without facing total rejection.

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His opening argument lasted thirty eight minutes. Hal Jennings delivered

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the opening for the defense. David wiped at his eyes

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with a handkerchief while Jennings spoke about an intruder coming

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into the Hendricks home to steal and murder. He accused

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the police of confirmation bias and not understanding that David's

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measured response to his family being murdered was due to

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his deeply held religious beliefs. To him, his family being

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in heaven was a good thing, Jennings continued. In the

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two months that investigators had possession of the Hendricks home,

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they hadn't found any evidence linking David to the crime.

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Nor did they find any evidence of anyone else being

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in the home.

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Right The defense attorney admitted that David may have been

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slightly inappropriate with some of the models, but never had

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an extramarital affair. We'll be back after a break.

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The guilt or innocence of David Hendricks hinged on one

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major point. What time had the family been killed. You

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remember the timeline, Like he said, he left at midnight,

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and if the family had been killed before midnight, we

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could prove that obviously he was the murderer. Anytime after

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midnight it was an introu.

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But even the midnight thing, all we have is his

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word on that, right, Yeah, he has. Theoretically, he could

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have left Bloomington as late as like what two in

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the morning and still gotten to where he was going

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at that to the heart use for breakfast at seven

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or whatever.

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Yeah, I think investigators think that he left at twelve

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forty five for some reason. I'm not sure why they

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pinpointed it to that, but okay, Yeah, we know that

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he did stop at Perkins for coffee, but I don't

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think he had a receipt for that. Okay, I could

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be wrong. Though, typical measures used to determine time of death,

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such as rigor mortis and body temperature, were not reliable

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in this case, because almost twenty four hours had passed

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before the bodies were found. The prosecution relied heavily on

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what time the children had last eaten to prove that

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David was the killer. The Winnebago County Coroner testified that

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he believed the children had eaten one to three hours

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before their deaths. The defense was able to largely discredit

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his testimony. However, the coroner was wise enough to save

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the stomach contents for others to analyze the coroner as

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a part time farmer, so they tried to make him

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look like country bumpkin. Yeah right. Doctor Michael Bodden testified because,

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of course he didn't. Of course, it was nineteen eighty

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four and he was already the most expert of expert witnesses.

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He served as New York City Chief Medical Officer before

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he was demoted by Mayor Ed Koch after allegations of

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sloppy record keeping, poor judgment in cooperation, although it's rumored

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that he was fired after revealing private information about the

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death of Nelson Rockefeller during a drunken Oh interesting, I

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think Nelson Rockefeller died in the arms of another woman.

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Oh bought and believe that the time of death for

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the children was about two hours after their last meal,

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which would be about nine PM. Without getting too graphic,

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we have the stomach contents at trial. They're put in

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like these styrofoam cups, and the pizza had been a

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veggie pizza, and some of the vegetables remained identified. Boden

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was on the stand for over two days, for nine hours,

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and most of that time was spent by the defense

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trying to credit him as an expert in the science

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of food digestion. The next witness, when asked to rate

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the level of digestion, said that the food was only

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about ten percent digested. During the police interviews, David had

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been less than upfront with investigators. He implied that they

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had taken some of the leftover pizza home and he said, oh,

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the kids ate the pizza right before they had another snack,

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right before they went to bed, and you'd be with

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the leftover pizza right But there was no pizza box

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ever found. That's something that investigators really struggled with, like, well,

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you have a medium pizza and you've got three kids

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plus yourself, Like they just didn't think that any of

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the pizza had been left.

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Over, and if you did bring it home, there would

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be a pizza box someone.

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Pizza box, but the travage had gone. Yeah, and that

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was one of the things. They had searched a landfill

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and they had looked for this pizza box. The pizza

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box was never found. It was a major win for

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the defense when the deputy coroner testified that he had

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gathered the stomach contents from the victims using a ladle

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of funnel and a plastic cup before he washed the

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rest down the sync. The defense argued that without the

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entire contents of the stomachs to analyze, no conclusions could

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be drawn. So that's kind of frustrating, right, yeah, And

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I see their point, because if you can't look at

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all of the contents, you can't really determine you digested exactly.

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But the deputy corner hind of thought that he had

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a good sampling of what the remnants and the stomachs were.

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Some of the most compelling witnesses to take the stand

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where the young women David had hired to model his

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orthopedic backbrace, first for a promotional pamphlet and then for

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a trade show. The presence of the models in the

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courtroom brought an undeniable visual impact that bolstered the prosecution's narrative.

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Aware of how damaging their testimony might appear, the defense

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fought to have it excluded, arguing it would unfairly tarnish

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David's character. But after weighing the arguments, the judge ruled

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their testimony could proceed with strict limitations. The women would

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not be allowed to speak to David's moral character directly. Instead,

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their accounts were admitted solely to suggest potential motive that David,

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beneath his religious exterior may have been driven by desire,

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what the prosecution described as lust in his heart. The

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first model to testify, a young woman named Echo, had

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been eighteen when she met David in the summer of

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nineteen eighty one. They met at the photo studio and

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she was wearing a leotard under the brace. She said

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00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.240
he was a perfect gentleman and there'd been no inappropriate

480
00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:38.519
contact or conversation. The second woman to testify was named Diana.

481
00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.559
She was nineteen when David hired her. He asked her

482
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:43.880
to come to his office for a fitting. She came

483
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.200
with her mother. David told her that she needed to

484
00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:48.440
be in her bra and underwear. Then he told her

485
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:50.880
she needed to take her bra off because he needed

486
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.079
to make a plaster cast of her chest. David asked

487
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.319
Diana's mother to leave the room. She at first refused,

488
00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.920
but when David said he'd be embarrassed, if she'd see

489
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:04.519
She begrudgingly left. Well, first he said, well, I don't

490
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.640
want your daughter to be embarrassed, and the model was like,

491
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:09.960
I'm fine. And then he said, well, I don't want

492
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.160
your mother to be embarrassed, and she said I'm fine.

493
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.400
But then David said, well I'd be embarrassed.

494
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:15.799
We can for any reason to get her out of

495
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:16.119
the room.

496
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.720
It sounds like exactly David put basiline under her breasts,

497
00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.680
on her stomach, and below her panteline before applying the plaster.

498
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.240
Seems like there's no reason for him to be making

499
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:31.400
plaster casts of anyone's bodies. Several women testified about David's

500
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.119
odd behavior with them. He put a plaster cast on

501
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.240
a woman's legs and she had no idea why he

502
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:40.200
measured their body parts with a tape measure and mark

503
00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.079
their skin with a sharpie. The youngest of the models

504
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.680
was just sixteen. David had taken her picture himself in

505
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.079
the basement of his home. In the summer of nineteen

506
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:51.519
eighty three, David was driving along when he saw a

507
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.240
sixteen year old girl named Penny walking to the swimming

508
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:57.400
pool wearing a bikini top in shorts. He pulled over

509
00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:59.359
and asked her if she wanted to model for him.

510
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.680
He gave his card. Later, the girl's mother called him

511
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:04.880
and gave him a piece of her mind, but the

512
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.599
judge did not allow her to testify. Another woman testified

513
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:10.720
that he showed up at her apartment and asked her

514
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:13.079
to be a model. She'd never met him before. He

515
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.079
said he'd gotten her information from her friend. This time,

516
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:17.960
he told her that she needed to be naked for

517
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.119
the fitting, and she complied. Another young woman said that

518
00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.759
he came within inches of kissing her before she pushed

519
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:25.960
him away and told him to leave her apartment. A

520
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.319
woman who brought her husband to the fitting was never

521
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.000
asked back. He gave yet another woman a back and

522
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:35.279
frontal massage, caressing her breasts. David, it seemed, was becoming

523
00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.039
more brazen with the models. When traveling out of state,

524
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.680
he began having the models meet him in his hotel room.

525
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:42.799
He asked one of the young women to show him

526
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:46.279
around Phoenix. She agreed because she thought his assistant, Bev,

527
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:48.880
would be joining them. He confided in her that he

528
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.519
was having doubts about his religion. He told her that

529
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:54.640
he'd had several affairs that his wife didn't know about.

530
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:56.960
When he tried to kiss her, she told him to

531
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.519
back off. Twelve models testified It took three days to

532
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.440
hear all of their testimony. Hendricks had told several of

533
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.480
the models that he was a doctor, increasing their trust

534
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.759
in him when he requested they disrobe. We should probably

535
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:14.640
point out that most people who wear back braces are overweight, older,

536
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.440
plenty of men, But anyone that modeled the brace was,

537
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.440
you know, young women, young beautiful women. A doctor testified

538
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.880
as to the ease of fitting the brace, said it

539
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.599
only took a few minutes, and he always fitted it

540
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:31.279
over a person's clothing, and the brace was designed to

541
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:34.039
be worn over a light T shirt. You weren't supposed

542
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.720
to even wear it, you know, without your undervironments on.

543
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.480
There were a few more interesting moments in the trial.

544
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.000
David Hendricks elected to excuse himself from the courtroom during

545
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.519
sensitive testimony. Remember when the bathroom lit up blue after

546
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:50.200
the luminol was sprayed. A crime scene technician testified that

547
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:55.000
some cleaning products and other biological materials can activate the chemicals.

548
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.440
Right, I forgot about that. I didn't know that, though you.

549
00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.720
Did know that the only blood found in the house

550
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:04.680
than in the bedrooms. Was one tiny, unidentifiable print on

551
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.079
a vanity in the upstairs bathroom. One piece of evidence

552
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.240
that wasn't gathered from the crime scene in the two

553
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.640
months that law enforcement had possession of the house, but

554
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.759
later found in a photo was a single wooden match

555
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.599
on the stairs, or what appeared to be a match.

556
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.319
It could also have just been a sliver of wood.

557
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.039
To the defense, it was proof that someone else had

558
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.640
been inside the house. But how would they missed this

559
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.279
one match on the stairs for two months?

560
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:30.880
Oh? Yeah, they It seemed like they went through the

561
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.160
house very thoroughly.

562
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:33.559
Right, And how do we know one of them didn't

563
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:33.960
drop it?

564
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:34.240
Right?

565
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.480
An expert testified that the robbery was staged for several reasons.

566
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:41.119
Drawers were opened but not really gone through, and the

567
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.440
stereo equipment, which was valuable, was not taken. At the

568
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.799
end of the seventh week of the trial, the prosecution

569
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:51.480
was finishing with its seventy sixth and final witness long trial.

570
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.359
On November sixth, nineteen eighty four, the defense began Later

571
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:57.799
that day. Ronald Reagan would be re elected to a

572
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.599
second term. Hendrick's attorney, John Long started the day moving

573
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:05.160
for an acquittal, citing lack of motive and no hard evidence.

574
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:08.079
He argued his case until lunch, but the judge denied

575
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.640
his motion. The defense continued to argue that stomach contents

576
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.039
are not a good indicator of time of death and

577
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:18.440
vary from person to person. Several witnesses testified that exercise,

578
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.519
or in this case, the children playing at Chuck E Cheese,

579
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.119
could prolong digestion and increase the amount of time food

580
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.200
remained in the stomach.

581
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.119
Do you remember Chuck E Cheese back in nineteen yeah,

582
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:29.920
eighty four.

583
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:31.759
We spent a lot of time. Oh no, I didn't

584
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:33.440
spend a lot of time when.

585
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:35.559
We had kids. Yes, but Chuck E Cheese used to

586
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:37.279
be a lot more fun than it is now.

587
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:38.720
I haven't been there a long time.

588
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:40.599
Well, you know, they used to have the ball pit,

589
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.000
which they took the ballpit, so it was a little

590
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:43.759
more physical.

591
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:45.319
Okay, Yeah, there were like.

592
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.720
More I think running around today. I think it's mostly

593
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:50.000
video game.

594
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.559
Rid of germs passing around. I guess they took away

595
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:53.160
some of that stuff.

596
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.720
Were really you know, when we would take our kids

597
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.039
to any kind of play area like that, we would

598
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.920
just immediately like disrobe them and put them in the

599
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.680
bathroom they were, I think they would still throw them down. Yeah,

600
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.400
because this case weighs so heavily, and that digestion of food.

601
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.680
I did a little bit of research on my own,

602
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:17.400
and vegetables do tend to digest faster than fat and protein, right. Yeah,

603
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.920
So the fact that, in my expert opinion, that you

604
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.880
could still see like particles of vegetables tells me that

605
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:28.720
I tend to think that their digestion was ceased early

606
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:29.480
in the process.

607
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.319
Yeah, that makes sense to me as well. Another expert

608
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.119
testified that he thought as many as four weapons were

609
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:38.400
used in the murders, consistent with two or more assailants.

610
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.279
He also said he thought the house had been burglarized,

611
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:46.960
pointing to an open freezer door as proof. Okay, burglars

612
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.279
always opened the freezer. That's one thing I've learned. At

613
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.839
least a dozen people testified about David's character. He was

614
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.799
well liked, respected and a good husband, father, friend, and neighbor.

615
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.000
I'm growing increasingly frustrated by expert Witnes.

616
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.599
Yeah. I've always been frustrated by it.

617
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.119
Yeah, But the longer we do this, it just seems

618
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:09.359
like at least twelve people I believe expert witnesses and

619
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.240
food digestion gave differing opinions.

620
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.880
Yeah. Yeah, it seems you can pay somebody to say

621
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:16.160
whatever you want them to say.

622
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.559
Yeah, and you can you know, manipulate a science experiment

623
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.200
to right a little bit. So it is really it's

624
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.160
really tough as a juror, yeah, to know you know

625
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.599
which expert to believe, right.

626
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:28.440
Yeah. I think all you can do is trust your

627
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.599
instinct of who seems the most believable, who seems the

628
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:33.880
most honest. But it's really hard to do.

629
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:34.519
Yeah.

630
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.119
On November thirteenth, David was called as a witness. He

631
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.799
was ready to defend himself after sitting in the courtroom

632
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.559
for weeks as a passive observer.

633
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:43.960
Are you surprised that he tested?

634
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.599
I am surprised, yeah, especially because he didn't talk to

635
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:47.640
the police or anything.

636
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.960
But again, remember he's he's a smart guy, and he

637
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.640
he sees him I don't think even everyone sees him

638
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.079
as a charismatic talker and a good salesman.

639
00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.599
Yeah. When asked what time he left his house on

640
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.680
the night of September seventh, he said around eleven pm,

641
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.880
which was an hour earlier than he had told the

642
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:09.079
police previously. Hmmm. He cried several times when asked about

643
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.240
the models. He denied a lot of what the women

644
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:14.759
testified to, like saying he was a doctor or my

645
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.799
wife can't find out about this. He admitted to only

646
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:21.240
improperly touching one woman. As they were breaking for the weekend,

647
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.799
the judge gave the jury a choice. Would they rather

648
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.519
be sequestered for the weekend or have a special two

649
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.240
night court session. A mini series was airing on television

650
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.440
that weekend that the judge did not want the jury

651
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.480
to see. Oh, okay, I thought you were either. You're

652
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:36.039
going to say the judge didn't want to miss this

653
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:37.000
mini series.

654
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.599
Well, but the judge really wanted to watch it. Can

655
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.480
you guess what the mini series was? Think? Really hard?

656
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:44.079
You know this?

657
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:46.359
I don't know it.

658
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.559
So the mini series, the case that the mini series

659
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.000
is about is similar to this case, and it's a

660
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.640
case that we covered very early on.

661
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.599
Okay, do you know I can't remember the name of.

662
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:00.519
Jeffrey McDonald's story. Yes.

663
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:05.519
Nadine Palmer, Susan's mother, and Laverne Hendrix, David's mother, both

664
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.839
testified for the defense. They both spoke glowingly of the

665
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.559
marriage and were in agreement that neither of them knew

666
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.599
of a better relationship than the one they'd witnessed between

667
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.599
their children. I wonder if Susan's mother was there. She

668
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.839
probably wasn't allowed to hear the testimony of all the models,

669
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.160
so she ate. Yeah. The mothers were the final witnesses

670
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.240
for the defense. Doctor Michael Bodden was called as a

671
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.559
rebuttal witness, because of course he was. He said that

672
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.920
he thought there could have been more than one assailant.

673
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:37.559
The court adjourned for Thanksgiving before closing arguments and jury instructions.

674
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.000
So we are weeks and weeks and weeks into this

675
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:40.960
trial at this point.

676
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.160
Yeah, it's a marathon. During closing, the prosecution said there

677
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.599
was no record of David ever leaving so late for

678
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.839
a business trip before, and he had scheduled zero appointments

679
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.799
while in Wisconsin and failed to bring a brace with him.

680
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:56.160
Just after five pm on November twenty eighth, the jury

681
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.319
was given the case to deliberate. After sixty four days

682
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.400
and over one hundred and thirty witnesses, the jury was

683
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.200
grateful to finally be able to talk about the case together.

684
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.079
They all hoped to quickly come to a consensus and

685
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.039
avoid sequestration. A forty seven year old affable man named

686
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.200
Joe was nominated to be foreman. He was the oldest

687
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.759
of the group. At eight thirty pm, the first vote

688
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.319
was taken, six guilty, six not guilty. They knew they

689
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.160
still had a lot of work to do, so they

690
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:23.880
called it a night.

691
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.880
Wonder said, if both of these mothers think that he's innocent,

692
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.720
who are we to think differently? And when they said that,

693
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.960
it does make me question things because if Susan's mother

694
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.319
is one hundred percent behind David, she knows him, knows

695
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:41.319
the relationship. Yeah, that's fight.

696
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.359
It, I mean not really like I can understand that

697
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.880
thought process. It's like, well, yeah, if the victim's mom

698
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.359
thinks he's innocent, but still, you know, people only can

699
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.480
know someone so well. And she wasn't his mother, she

700
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:54.680
was Susan's mother.

701
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.880
So yeah, yeah, Well, while I have you here looking

702
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.640
at me and not looking ahead, Okay, do you think

703
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.200
the jury will find him guilty or not guilty?

704
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.039
I don't know, to be honest with you, I think

705
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.320
there is I think from everything I know so far

706
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.119
that he is the most likely person to have done this,

707
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.679
but there really isn't a lot of hard evidence.

708
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.440
So you have to make a decision. What is the

709
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.360
jury going to decide?

710
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.559
I am going to say they will decide not guilty.

711
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:21.960
Okay.

712
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.119
At nine pm the jury was busted to the Ramada

713
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.480
Inn for the night. The next day, another vote was

714
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.519
taken eight to four, eight to four in favor of

715
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:32.000
guilt or not guilt.

716
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:32.760
Keep reading.

717
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:35.159
By one point thirty that afternoon, after five and a

718
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.280
half hours of deliberation, they had reached a verdict. As

719
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.800
they filed back into the courtroom, all of the jurors

720
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.199
avoided eye contact with David Hendrix, always a bad sign

721
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.119
for the defendant. Starting with Benji, the judge read the

722
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.760
verdicts for the four victims guilty on all counts.

723
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.239
Which of the evidence is most compelling to support David's

724
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:55.920
guilt in your.

725
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.159
Opinion, I think the food evidence is definitely the most compelling,

726
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.920
And to me, I know this isn't really evidence that

727
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:04.599
a jury can consider or should consider, but there's no

728
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.239
other likely explanation other than him.

729
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.679
I think, though, if you're sitting on the jury, that

730
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.239
the defense did a really good job disproving the digestion evidence.

731
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.239
So I don't know if they considered that right.

732
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.000
David didn't express any emotion, but his family members behind

733
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.320
him weeped. But the jury's duty wasn't done yet. David

734
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.559
had a day to decide if he wanted the jury

735
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.559
or the judge to decide his sentence. The jury was

736
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.760
sent back into sequestration until he made up his mind. Ultimately,

737
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:36.440
he let the judge decide his fate. A hearing was

738
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.880
held on December seventeenth, nineteen eighty four, to determine if

739
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.119
David was eligible for the death penalty. That question was

740
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.400
whether or not the children had suffered. His sentencing hearing

741
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.039
was held on January seventeenth. A psychiatrist who had spent

742
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.039
two days with Hendrix testified that he diagnosed him with

743
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:57.880
bipolar disorder. However, other mental health professionals disagreed, finding no

744
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.599
evidence of a personality disorder or or any formal diagnosis.

745
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.159
In the end, the judge spared him the death penalty

746
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.800
and sentenced him to four consecutive life sentences without the

747
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.239
possibility of parole. During sentencing, the judge admitted that he

748
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.360
disagreed with the verdict. Wow, that's kind of shocking to

749
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.360
hear that he personally wasn't sure the state proved their

750
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.800
case beyond a reasonable doubt. Quote. I cannot in good

751
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.519
conscience apply the sanction of death unless I have been

752
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.480
convinced of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I have not,

753
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:30.920
and mere belief is not enough. Wow. That's really interesting

754
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.159
to hear that. I thought a judge could vacate a

755
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.800
jury's decision if they disagreed with it.

756
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.440
I'm not sure about that. But one thing to think

757
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.320
about here is that if David had had a bench trial,

758
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:42.480
he would have been released.

759
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:46.599
Yeah. Interesting. David was sent to the Menard Correctional Center,

760
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.960
a maximum security prison about an hour south of Saint Louis.

761
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.920
He appealed his conviction. Of course, In February nineteen eighty six,

762
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.920
an inquest was held into the Hendrick's family murders. A

763
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.480
three judge panel upheld the conviction, but later in March

764
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.039
nineteen eighty seven, the Illinois Supreme Court reviewed the case.

765
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.440
It took twenty one months for their ruling. David's conviction

766
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.679
was upheld by a four to two decision.

767
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:11.239
Twenty one months.

768
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:12.400
That's a long time you.

769
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.000
Imagine sitting in jail, just having the hope that you

770
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.079
know you might be Yeah, a new trial. Yeah.

771
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.400
The Hendricks and Palmer families offered a twenty thousand dollars

772
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.280
reward for information about the murders, but no one bit.

773
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:26.320
We'll be back after a break.

774
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.440
In December nineteen eighty eight, David was married to a

775
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.280
divorcee from Toledo, Ohio, named Pat Miller. They were married

776
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.280
in the prison. David's family attended the wedding, and Pat

777
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.719
and her children relocated to Illinois to be closer to

778
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.400
the prison. Pat, along with David's friends and family, created

779
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.119
Faith Friends Against Injustice to Hendricks.

780
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.239
Okay, they had to work really hard to make that

781
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.440
acronym fit, didn't they.

782
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.920
In September nineteen eighty nine, the Illinois Supreme Court decided

783
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.199
to take another look at Hendrix's case after receiving a

784
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:09.159
petition from his new Chicago attorney, Thomas Decker. He was

785
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.440
seeking a second trial. Included in the petition was a

786
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:16.239
statement written by David accusing his former brother in law,

787
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:20.320
John Lewis of the murders. Quote, I am convinced I

788
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.360
know why he did it. If I could give you

789
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.960
all of the evidence I have, I think you too

790
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.239
would be convinced and closed were four pages of evidence

791
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:32.400
against Lewis. Martha, Susan's sister, divorced John Lewis in early

792
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:35.960
nineteen eighty nine after seven years of marriage. David claimed

793
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.000
that John hated the Plymouth Brethren and had forbidden his

794
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.960
wife from attending the meetings. He accused Louis of being

795
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:46.119
jealous of his and Susan's marriage, financial success, and lifestyle.

796
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.480
The Sunday before the murders, Susan and David drove Martha

797
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.559
and her son to a meeting they attended together. Remember

798
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.719
the night of the murders that Susan had attended a

799
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.960
baby shower while Martha was not invited, and she was

800
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.800
very hurt. John was incensed that his wife had been slighted.

801
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.159
David said that John had a key to his home

802
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.800
and was very familiar with the layout. He knew that

803
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.079
David owned an axe, in fact, he'd even borrowed it before.

804
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.239
The brief continued quote. Shortly after the murders, John brought

805
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.639
home a pair of scrubs, the front of which were

806
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.920
covered in blood spatter. He told Martha to wash them.

807
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.960
When investigators asked him about them. Recently, he claimed he

808
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.079
got up from a doctor. John named the doctor. The

809
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:29.440
doctor denies giving bloody scrubs to John, and it turns

810
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.400
out the doctor didn't work in the hospital with John

811
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.440
until months later. When the investigators confronted John with the information,

812
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.719
he refused to talk about it, further intriguing. Right the

813
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.760
source of all this new evidence was Martha Lewis. When

814
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.400
she had first talked to the police in November nineteen

815
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.679
eighty three, she said that John was with her in

816
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:51.079
bed sleeping at the time of the murders, but she

817
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:55.039
recanted her original story and now after the divorce, told

818
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.719
police that John had left the house after ten pm

819
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.920
to go to the gym. She called him mental unstable.

820
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:04.440
John worked as an EMT and he would have access

821
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.559
to scrubs and certainly sometimes they would be bloody from

822
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.559
his work. He cooperated with police, who performed a search

823
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.119
of his house and submitted to a lie detector test,

824
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.719
which he passed with flying colors. He said that Martha's

825
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:20.159
allegations against him were caused by her bitterness. In response

826
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.800
to David's allegations, he said quote, I'm dumbfounded. I was

827
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.960
visited by two of David's investigators and I told them

828
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.519
all that I could remember. It wasn't until after the

829
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.519
divorce that they started coming after me, And he said

830
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.199
that he believes David is innocent of the murders. He

831
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.079
said that the story regarding the scrubs is true, but

832
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.719
that is pretty damning evidence. And why would a doctor

833
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.960
give him scrubs to take home and wash when hospitals

834
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.119
have a service that washes their scrubs for them.

835
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:48.920
Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. And it's

836
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.280
strange that John would admit the story about the scrubs,

837
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:53.880
that he would tell police.

838
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.800
That the Palmer and Hendrick's family hired private investigators over

839
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.239
the years to find the real killers. They claimed that

840
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.440
Lewis is who they pointed to, but the Bloomington Police

841
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.719
Department said he is actually only one of the suspects

842
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:08.719
that the family has accused over the years.

843
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.199
Yeah, it seems like the one thing I really question

844
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:14.920
about him potentially being the killer is the motive, Like

845
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.480
he's mad because his wife was slighted, it wasn't invited

846
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:20.840
to a baby shower that he didn't seems pretty weak.

847
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.599
I know there were other things too, but it just

848
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:24.440
doesn't seem to add up to killing.

849
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.039
When anyone ever uses jealousy as a motive for a murder,

850
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.719
like in this situation like this, Oh, they were so

851
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:33.079
jealous of my success that just seems. Yeah, I'm not

852
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.480
sure I buy it. There was some weird story, and

853
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.920
I might not get it right, but John had taken

854
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:42.159
Benji on a walk, passed a cemetery and said something, oh,

855
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.599
you're going to be coming here soon, or something to

856
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.679
that effect. I didn't really believe that story. July thirtieth,

857
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.840
nineteen ninety, the Illinois Supreme Court, in an unprecedented move,

858
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.239
voted six to zero to overturn David's conviction, ruling that

859
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:01.880
testimony about his religion and womanizing was judicial and unnecessary,

860
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.280
but he wasn't a free man. He'd have to go

861
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.039
through a new trial. The trial was held in McClain County,

862
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.800
where the murders had taken place seven years earlier. The

863
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.639
jury was busted in from Decatur each day. A member

864
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.239
of the jury from the first trial attended each day

865
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.000
wearing a discutch. Many I think jurors sometimes they're just

866
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.599
really Oh, yeah, I think I would be too for that.

867
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.599
If you're sitting through that much of testimony.

868
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.079
You're invested. Many of the same witnesses and evidence was presented,

869
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.840
except for one big difference. None of the models were

870
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.039
allowed to testifying. And I think that model testimony was Yeah.

871
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.039
It's one of the most compelling things in terms of

872
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:38.000
pointing to a motive.

873
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.199
At the last minute, a man named Danny Wayne Stark,

874
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.559
who was serving a thirty year sentence for a theft

875
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.039
in Indiana, came forward with a shocking story. He claimed

876
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:50.199
that David had confessed to him. He passed a polygraph

877
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.440
test and was allowed to testify. He said quote he said,

878
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.000
nobody's seen him do it. A lot of it had

879
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.079
to do with his family. He was running around on

880
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.599
his wife, living a different lifestyle. His wife became suspicious

881
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:03.719
of it and began to threaten him with it. He

882
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.559
was really worried about his father finding out. He said

883
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.840
divorce would ruin him. David said he got married too young.

884
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.000
All of a sudden, he had a family, He came

885
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.000
into money and found himself stuck in his situation he

886
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.639
couldn't deal with. He said his wife was a plain woman,

887
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:19.639
small breasted.

888
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:23.679
I think Danny nailed it. That sounds very plausible. That

889
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.519
whole thing. Hey, the plain woman being small breasted seems

890
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:27.360
a little irrelevant.

891
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.159
But while three other men who served time with both

892
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.159
men testified for the defense that Stark was a known liarer,

893
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.679
one last witness of interest was David's younger brother, James.

894
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.480
He testified that he had traveled to San Francisco a

895
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.440
few weeks earlier to confront John Lewis. He claimed that

896
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.480
Lewis said, quote, I hacked up his family and then

897
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.320
allegedly said he would deny ever admitting that. However, the

898
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.320
judge ruled that the testimony was inadmissible.

899
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.079
That sounds very much like hearsay. Yes.

900
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.000
Once the case was handed to the jury, they deliberated

901
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:03.400
for ten hours before landing on an innocent verdict. David's

902
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:07.119
family and friends cheered raucously. David emerged from the courthouse

903
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.239
a few minutes later and hugged his wife and two

904
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:13.719
young step children. After nearly eight long years, David Hendricks

905
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.199
was a freeman. Wow, are you surprised?

906
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.119
I am A well, I'm not that surprised because they

907
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.320
didn't allow the testimony the models, so I'm not too

908
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:23.480
surprised that he was found.

909
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:25.360
Really, there wasn't much there.

910
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.000
But I don't know. I still think he did it.

911
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.840
After David's exoneration, he and Pat moved to Toledo, Ohio.

912
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:34.639
He opened a very successful arthotics practice, but divorced Pat

913
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.960
about a year later. During their marriage, he'd undergone a

914
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.639
vasectomy because he felt like her three children would be enough.

915
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:43.760
I think she had two younger children and then one

916
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:44.360
older child.

917
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:44.760
Okay.

918
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.880
David later said, quote, it was a very dumb decision

919
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.880
to go into that marriage. We were not at all compatible.

920
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.360
I think I would a little nuts after prison. It

921
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.760
was like a midlife crisis where the guy goes out

922
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.880
and buys a red Corvette. Well, I had one of

923
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:02.039
those and a silver Porsche. I flew a Bonanza, which is,

924
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.360
I guess must be a nicer plane. I had to

925
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.760
get past that, and it took a couple of years. Pat,

926
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.760
for her part, said she never doubted his innocence, but

927
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:14.639
implied there were some shady dealings. I think the shady

928
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:18.119
dealings had to do with other women. David entered into

929
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.880
a third marriage with a secretary named Brenda, but that

930
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.920
marriage only lasted a year. Today, David Hendrix, now seventy,

931
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.840
lives in Orlando, Florida, with his fourth wife of fourteen years.

932
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:30.599
I'm not sure how to pronounce her name, but I

933
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.840
think it might be Gazel. She is twenty five years

934
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.639
his junior. They have two young children, a son and

935
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:41.800
a daughter, like really young, really like under ten. He

936
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:45.920
has done very well for himself professionally. He bought, renovated, rented,

937
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.800
and then sold sixteen homes in the Orlando area at

938
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:52.679
a large profit. He's also ran and sold several orthotic

939
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:56.480
businesses over the years. In twenty thirteen, David wrote a

940
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:00.920
book called Tom Henry Confessions of a Killer, about former cellmate.

941
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:04.159
He said someday he would like to write his own story.

942
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.360
As for David's faith, in nineteen ninety seven, he told

943
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.599
the Tampa Bay Times quote, I don't think I'm an atheist,

944
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.719
but I'm an agnostic. I doubt I guess it went

945
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.760
in stages. The first thought was how could a good

946
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.199
and just God allow this bad thing to happen to

947
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.159
a good person like me? The second thought was how

948
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.119
can I say that when others have been through so

949
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.039
much more than I have. The third thought is how

950
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:29.760
can a good and just God allow all those awful

951
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.039
things to happen to other people? And finally, the thought

952
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:37.280
maybe God's just not running things. That's kind of shocking, right,

953
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.239
Like his whole life, he was raised to be very

954
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:41.679
religious and devalued a little bit.

955
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.239
Yeah, I'm a little hung up on the first thing

956
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:46.400
he says is, how could God allow such a bad

957
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.039
thing to happen to me, a good person like me? Like,

958
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.760
it's not all about you, David, I mean your wife

959
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.119
and three children exactly.

960
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:54.400
That was my first thought too.

961
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:55.159
Yeah.

962
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.639
In November nineteen seventy three, church leaders of the Plymouth

963
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.920
Brethren disciplined Roger Pains, a beloved family man famous for

964
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:06.239
his faith and dedication, for a minor offense. They placed

965
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.239
him in a state of spiritual and social exile known

966
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.119
as shut up. He was completely cut off even within

967
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.960
his own home, from worship meals and intimacy with his

968
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.239
wife and children. The extreme isolation pushed him into a

969
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.480
mental crisis after a failed suicide attempt, The crisis culminated

970
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.199
in a horrendous atrocity in March nineteen seventy four. He

971
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:29.800
murdered his wife and three children with an axe while

972
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.440
they slept, and hung himself.

973
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.039
That sounds very familiar, right, That's really weird.

974
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.840
Probably not related all this was ten years earlier. Right, Yeah,

975
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:41.480
the Bloomington Police Department consider the Hendricks murder case closed,

976
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.119
but somewhere in an evidence locker the stomach contents of

977
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.360
the Forest Lane Hendricks family members.

978
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:47.880
Sits.

979
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.840
In high profile cases like this, the victims get lost. Yeah,

980
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:56.360
we're just consumed with you know, easy guilty or innocent.

981
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.079
But I believe that Susan, Becky, Grace, and Benji all

982
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.719
have been lost at a lot. Susan Hendricks was a

983
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.400
loving wife and a devoted mother who lived her faith

984
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.199
every day. She was deeply committed to raising her children

985
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.480
and a home filled with love, structure, and spiritual guidance.

986
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:15.039
Friends remember her as kind, thoughtful, and nurturing, the kind

987
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.840
of mother who made each of her children feel cherished.

988
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.880
Her three children were her world. She was looking forward

989
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.320
to adding to their family by adoption at the time

990
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.480
of her death. Backy nine was intelligent, responsible, and already

991
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.320
showing signs of becoming a natural leader. She loved to

992
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.920
read and often helped her mother care for the younger two.

993
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:36.800
Grace seven had a gentle spirit and a spark of playfulness.

994
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.159
She was the one most likely to offer a hug

995
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.320
or try to lift someone's spirits with a joke or

996
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.920
a song. Benji, just five, was lively, affectionate and adored

997
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.960
by his sisters. He loved trucks, sports, and crawling into

998
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.199
lapse for a story or a snuggle. Together they made

999
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.719
a close knit family, one that should have had more

1000
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.480
ordinary days, birthdays and milestones together. We honor them not

1001
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.840
just as victims, but as people deeply loved and profoundly missed.

1002
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.280
Rest in peace, Susan, Becky, Grace.

1003
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:05.480
And Benji, Rest in peace.

1004
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.000
My main source for this case was a book written

1005
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.639
by Steve Vogel called Reasonable Doubt, written in nineteen eighty nine,

1006
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:15.320
but he has nicely updated it since. Any quotations in

1007
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.639
this episode come from his book. In twenty eighteen, Steve

1008
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.119
Vogel re released the book for the thirty fifth anniversary

1009
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.960
of the crime. At the book signing, Charlie Crowe, Lee,

1010
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.360
detective from the case, and Ron Doser, former prosecutor and

1011
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.760
then judge, came to see him. Later, David Hendricks emailed

1012
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.280
him to congratulate him on the book. He told him

1013
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.280
that he had jury duty the following week. Vogel would

1014
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.679
ask by the Bloomington Pentagraph newspaper if he thought Hendricks

1015
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.760
was guilty or innocent, said quote today, I believe David

1016
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.880
Hendricks did not commit the crime. All the family members

1017
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.119
have stood beside him and never doubted his innocence.

1018
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:50.800
Interesting.

1019
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.320
Can you imagine David Hendricks sitting on a jury. No,

1020
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:56.440
they would dismiss it pretty quickly.

1021
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.480
I was going to say, it doesn't seem quite right,

1022
00:49:58.639 --> 00:49:59.800
but yeah.

1023
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:03.079
Book Reasonable Doubt was great. He did a fabulous job.

1024
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.679
I would give it five stars. I would highly recommend it.

1025
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.559
One of the most thorough true crime books I read.

1026
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.000
And I like that Steve presented both cases for guilt

1027
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:12.800
and innocence.

1028
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:14.639
Okay. I was going to ask you if his book

1029
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:16.880
seemed to present an opinion one way or another, but

1030
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:18.880
it seems like it was pretty even.

1031
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.920
I think the updated part, you know, you could definitely

1032
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.000
tell that. I think he must have had some sort

1033
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:26.519
of relationship with David. Yeah, I think he had come

1034
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.440
to the point of believing that he was innocent. In

1035
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:33.079
nineteen ninety one, Hale Jennings, David's attorney in the first trial,

1036
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:34.960
married one of David's models.

1037
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:35.639
Okay.

1038
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.280
Another of the models purchased the hendricks old home at

1039
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:40.599
three one three Carl drive.

1040
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:41.199
It's weird.

1041
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.320
I just read this last night. But in nineteen ninety four,

1042
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.639
Ron Doser claimed that Hendrix failed a polygraph, but hal

1043
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.679
Jenkins denied this ever happen.

1044
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:51.960
Mmmmm interesting to.

1045
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.239
Remember that David was like, I'm not taking a polygraph

1046
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:59.639
unless you guarantee me that you'll release me as a suspect.

1047
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.159
They wouldn't do that. So I don't know if this

1048
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:06.119
is just a case of bad memory or right, or

1049
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.199
hal Jenkins is still defending David. I don't know. Yeah,

1050
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:11.440
something that has stood out to me in this case

1051
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:15.800
is how lucky David Hendricks is to have that second chance. Yeah.

1052
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.480
A lot of men would not get that second chance.

1053
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:23.320
It's pretty unprecedented for the Illinois Supreme Court to take

1054
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:24.719
such an interest in a case.

1055
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.480
Yeah, and they considered it twice, right, Like the first

1056
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.360
time they denied his appeal, but then they went back

1057
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.159
and considered it again, which is really unusual.

1058
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.039
Why do you think the murderer used two weapons?

1059
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.599
That's a good question. I don't know. Why would you

1060
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:40.920
use two weapons.

1061
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.840
Perhaps to make a look as if there were two Yeah,

1062
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.400
to just make the you know, put a little doubt there.

1063
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:48.800
Well as it was two murderers.

1064
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:51.159
But yeah, right, do you think we should go over

1065
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:56.119
how you properly burghle a home. This comes up over

1066
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:56.920
and over again.

1067
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.039
I'm not sure what the proper way is because I

1068
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.159
think we've talked about this a couple times before. But

1069
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:03.280
you know, some people, I think try to make it

1070
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.079
look like a burglary by like just throwing stuff out

1071
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.119
of drawers and stuff like that. But I don't know,

1072
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.840
maybe sometimes burglars do do that to look for valuables.

1073
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:14.159
Well, I think it's Steve Bogol's book. He addressed that

1074
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.960
a little bit. Maybe he talked to her criminal and

1075
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:20.320
I think they said that they look in the drawer, right,

1076
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.159
but they just kind of rake their hands through it

1077
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:23.079
and see if there, you know.

1078
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.039
Might be just yeah, they don't just pull stuff out

1079
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.039
and start scattering things around the room.

1080
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.400
And in this case, whoever the murderer was went to

1081
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.360
all the bedrooms and opened like a ton of drawers.

1082
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:36.400
But this makes me think that David could be guilty

1083
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.400
because again, you know, fastidious man, Nothing was really thrown

1084
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.679
out of the drawers they just opened.

1085
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.079
And yeah, you know, well, I just keep going back

1086
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.880
to the fact that I'm sure there are cases where

1087
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:51.320
burglars have killed a family in the home, but to

1088
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:55.840
kill them so violently, so horribly, it just doesn't seem

1089
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.199
likely that a burglar would do that.

1090
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.440
When they were all asleep in their beds. No one

1091
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:03.119
was killed all the way or the entryway, you know.

1092
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:05.840
Right, I'm sure usually when a burglar does kill somebody

1093
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.679
it's because they walk in on the scene. And yeah,

1094
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:10.440
so it doesn't It just seems very unlikely.

1095
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:12.159
I know, you didn't read the book, and you didn't

1096
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.159
read all the testimony. So Steve Ogel's book had a

1097
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.920
lot of the testimony like written out our stomach contents

1098
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:19.800
a good indicator of time of death.

1099
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.840
I mean, I'm sure there's variability. I'm not, of course,

1100
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.920
not an expert on this. I'm sure, I'm sure it

1101
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.519
does vary a lot from person to person. But it

1102
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:33.400
does seem like having the vegetables that were not disintegrating

1103
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:36.599
or not digested, it seems like it had to be

1104
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.320
relatively soon after, and it.

1105
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.239
Was all three of the children's so I think that, Yeah,

1106
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.760
you know, even if the stomach contents are not like

1107
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.559
a perfect indicator, you have you know, consistency among the children.

1108
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:48.920
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

1109
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.679
Susan was at the baby shower, and she also she

1110
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.280
had some vegetables. I think that she, you know, she

1111
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.119
and David were on this diet. But her mother said

1112
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:00.159
that she also had some cookies on her plate. She

1113
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.960
could not confirm that she ate the cookieska, but her

1114
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:05.760
stomach contents. She didn't have much in her stomach compared

1115
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:06.400
to the children.

1116
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.559
Okay, And remind me what time she got home or

1117
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:09.519
left the baby.

1118
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.239
Shower ten forty five okay?

1119
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.119
And was she killed in her bed also?

1120
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.000
Yeah, And the covers were pulled up, so.

1121
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.159
She had probably gone home and gone to bed.

1122
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.519
David said that she came to bed pretty quickly. And

1123
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:23.920
I think she must have read murdered first because the

1124
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:25.679
axe had hairs on it from the shi.

1125
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:26.760
That would make sense too. That.

1126
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.239
Yeah, So you believe that David was.

1127
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:33.960
The murderer based on everything I've heard, I think so, yes.

1128
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:35.960
I don't know if I would have convicted him, that's

1129
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.800
the weird thing, but I just don't see any other explanation.

1130
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.719
And I do think the models that whole thing tells

1131
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:44.920
me that he was looking outside of his marriage. She

1132
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:48.079
was pretty creepy with these really young girls so to me,

1133
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.480
that does point to motive of wanting to be free,

1134
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.960
wanting to date other girls, and he felt like he

1135
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.239
couldn't really do that in his current week.

1136
00:54:56.119 --> 00:55:02.960
Motive though there was no evidence that he had any affair. Yeah, seriously,

1137
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:05.920
romanticizing being with any of these women, he just.

1138
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:07.760
I guess so. But it just points to the fact

1139
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.880
that he wasn't happy with his life as a married

1140
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:14.000
man with three kids, and that to me, maybe it's

1141
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.679
not the strongest motive, but it is a motive.

1142
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:20.360
Yeah, he was definitely creepy and his behavior was hugely interpeting.

1143
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:21.880
Oh yeah, I do.

1144
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.599
Believe the women when they said that he said he

1145
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.960
was a doctor, and I believed him. He was not

1146
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.719
a doctor, and you know, he had no right to

1147
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:31.039
touch their bodies he did.

1148
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.039
Yeah. Well, let me ask you what you think. Do

1149
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:34.480
you think he is guilty or innocent?

1150
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.719
I do think that David is guilty. I'll give you

1151
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:41.280
some reasons why he lied about the time that he left. Yes,

1152
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.199
he said he left at midnight, but then at trial

1153
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.000
he said he left at eleven. Why would he do that?

1154
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:50.079
And once you lie about one thing, how do we

1155
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.079
believe anything that you write? He lied about how much

1156
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.599
pizza was consumed. I don't think I mentioned this, but

1157
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.280
he later said that, yes, the whole pizza was eaten,

1158
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.519
So he had about that during the investigation. He wanted

1159
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:04.480
it to make it seem that the kids had eaten

1160
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.440
later and they didn't. Another thing I have an issue

1161
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.360
with is why he contacted the police early. You might say, oh,

1162
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:13.039
he didn't contact the police at early, but at that point,

1163
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.920
Susan was supposed to be at her family's house, and

1164
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:18.079
he talked to the police at like six point thirty,

1165
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.760
but his brother or his brother in law, the two

1166
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.880
brothers in laws were going to the house already. There

1167
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.199
was a Heida key, right, the neighbor had been to

1168
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:28.960
the house. You know, he could have said, why don't

1169
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:30.719
you just let yourself into the house.

1170
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:32.199
And check things, Yeah, see if anything's wrong.

1171
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.280
So it seemed to me that in the nine one

1172
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:36.239
one call he said a few times like, well, I'm

1173
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.000
out of town. I'm out of town, so I can't look.

1174
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:40.480
That was a little fishy to me.

1175
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:43.000
Yeah, it definitely made it seem like he was trying

1176
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.400
to basically, you know, plant an alibi for himself and

1177
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:47.760
establish that.

1178
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.760
And yeah, it must have been really tired, because we

1179
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:52.760
don't know if he We don't think he slept the

1180
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.719
whole day, right, I think that that were you. He

1181
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:57.599
didn't have any meetings the next day, He didn't have

1182
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.400
anything scheduled, you know, these were all impromptu meetings. I

1183
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.840
think you would have gotten in your car and come home. Yeah,

1184
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:05.199
and then I don't know, what do you think you

1185
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:05.760
would have done?

1186
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.079
Well, you mean when he thought she when he couldn't

1187
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:10.639
get a hold of her, but he didn't really know

1188
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:12.519
anything was wrong at that point. Yeah, I don't know

1189
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:14.360
if I would have. I mean, he was four four

1190
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.599
and a half, five hours away or six hours. I

1191
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:17.880
don't know if I would have gotten in my car

1192
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:19.400
and driven home at that point. But I wouldn't have

1193
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.119
called the police yet. That just seems a little fishy

1194
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:23.480
to me. I would, like you said, I would have

1195
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:26.000
called one of our relatives and said, hey, there's a

1196
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:28.239
heide gee, just go in and check, make sure everything's

1197
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:28.639
all right.

1198
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.960
Yeah. And the meticulous nature of the crime scene, which

1199
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.239
left virtually no evidence, really that's impressive. Yeah, whoever the

1200
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.840
murderer is to leave behind, you know, no blood other

1201
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:42.079
than in the bedrooms. Yeah, when the killing sure how

1202
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:43.599
that would have happened, right.

1203
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.079
And the killing is done with an axe and a

1204
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:47.840
butcher knife. That just seems like, yeah, really hard to

1205
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:48.280
clean up.

1206
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.800
So the brother in law, you know, he had access

1207
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:54.239
to scrubs, but David did too. He worked, I think

1208
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:57.320
in a doctor's office. Sometimes he used that as his

1209
00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:59.840
lab when he was like working on his brace, Okay,

1210
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.559
things like that. So and he had access to scrubs too,

1211
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:06.679
so possibly he could have worn right, Actually, probably not scrubs,

1212
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:07.280
maybe more like.

1213
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:09.679
Just something to cover him up and has just throw

1214
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:10.079
it out.

1215
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:14.679
Or another thought is maybe he didn't naked.

1216
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.280
Yeah, it could be, Yeah, it could be.

1217
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.119
I'm going to ask you about pea traps again, Okay.

1218
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.280
I believe that there were seven pea traps in the

1219
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:25.360
house that the police took out and analyzed for Do

1220
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.800
our neighbors know every time we record?

1221
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.440
They totally know every time we record. Time to mow

1222
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:30.800
the law?

1223
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:33.280
Yeah, I'm sorry if you can hear that, But they

1224
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:35.599
how long would it take for the water to be

1225
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.440
flushed out of a pea trap? They looked at the

1226
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.440
pea traps for evidence of blood, and there was no

1227
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.199
evidence of blood. But I would think if he knew

1228
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.920
to like, you know, go right to the shower, you

1229
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:47.920
would flush that out.

1230
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:52.480
I would think so too. I don't know, so I'm

1231
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:56.079
not an expert. Again, not an expert in really many

1232
00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:59.280
things at all, but especially not this. So so I

1233
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:02.280
would think that blood is going to be heavier than water,

1234
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:03.800
so it's going to kind of sink to the bottom

1235
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.119
of the pit trap. So I could see that blood

1236
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.480
might you know, remain in traces on the very bottom

1237
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:11.719
of it. But I also think it wouldn't take long

1238
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.000
to flush it out either, Like if you've got water

1239
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:16.920
running through it, Yeah, it's going to push all that through.

1240
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.960
I mean, so, yeah, it does seem a little unlikely

1241
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:21.199
that you would find blood there.

1242
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.559
Yeah. The night time trip also was suspicious to me.

1243
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.119
I mean, it's really abnormal to leave at midnight, drive

1244
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.679
all night and then expect yourself to be fresh as

1245
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.679
a daisy in the morning and sell your dice.

1246
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.719
But in his defense, let me just say she was

1247
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:38.800
at a baby shower that night, so she wasn't going

1248
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.480
to get home until ten thirty, so he had to

1249
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:43.199
be there for the kids, right, So.

1250
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:46.360
I carried babysitters, okay, yea, all right, And he could

1251
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:48.679
have left at you know, six in the morning and

1252
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.000
still been there by noon. He didn't have to miss

1253
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:52.480
his calls at eight am.

1254
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:54.440
Yeah, no, that's a good point. Yeah, it does seem weird.

1255
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:55.239
I would never do that.

1256
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.480
I believe his assistant Bev testified that he did this

1257
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:01.599
all the time, but other people that know this was unusual.

1258
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:02.639
Interesting.

1259
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:05.599
So to sum it up, I do think that David

1260
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:09.159
Hendrix is the most likely person that killed his family.

1261
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.159
I can't get to John Lewis killing them, and really

1262
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:14.920
I just don't think there's evidence that anyone else had

1263
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.880
a motive, even though the motive here I think is

1264
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:17.480
pretty weak.

1265
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:20.079
Yeah, well, as usual, we're on the same page.

1266
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.559
Well, thank you so much to Katie and Evelyn for

1267
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.719
recommending this case. It was a good one.

1268
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:26.880
Yeah, very interesting.

1269
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:28.920
Really enjoyed it. And thank you so much to our

1270
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.000
friends Lisa and Tammy for sending us snacks in part

1271
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:33.440
one that I forgot to think.

1272
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:34.639
Yeah, that's so kind.

1273
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.480
And thank you to myself for making the beaver.

1274
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.199
Of Yes, thank you to you for making those. They're

1275
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.119
really good and we'll post the recipe.

1276
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:50.880
Sure. I felt like during this episode both of our

1277
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.400
voices were not the best.

1278
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:55.719
I thought you sounded fine, but I definitely lacking sleep

1279
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:58.039
that I talked so much this week. I was at

1280
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.679
a trade show for my company, and you're at trade jo,

1281
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:03.079
You're just talking all the time, and I just don't.

1282
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:06.079
My voice is not used to that. So I'm still

1283
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:07.039
recovering a little bit.

1284
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:10.920
Yeah, And there's always these allergies in the air, and

1285
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.039
I take an allergy pill every day, but you know,

1286
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:16.639
a little allergy pill tries its best, always get there.

1287
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:18.960
Have you had a chance to try the new sleep

1288
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:20.360
trick that I talked to you about.

1289
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.119
I tried it one time, and how did it work?

1290
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:24.440
Well?

1291
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:27.199
I can't I don't remember, which tells me that maybe

1292
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:30.199
it did work, because I must have fallen back asleep.

1293
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.039
So I saw this on Instagram this week because someone

1294
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:35.199
was talking about you know a lot of times you

1295
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:37.920
go to sleep, but then you wake up and and

1296
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:39.920
you kind of get panicked and you can't fall back

1297
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:40.320
to sleep.

1298
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:42.239
Right. A lot of times my body feels like, oh,

1299
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.639
I just took a nap and I'm done napping now, right.

1300
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.159
Yeah, So you just close your eyes and first you

1301
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:48.199
go back and forth.

1302
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.159
You move your eyes back and forth.

1303
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:52.400
Yeah, behind your closed eyelids and then you move them

1304
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.400
up and down. You just kind of move them. Then

1305
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:58.719
you might want to like do an eight pattern. Then

1306
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:01.719
you're supposed to like cross your We're supposed to do

1307
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:03.840
that for a few cycles, and it's supposed to help

1308
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:05.039
you nod right off.

1309
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:06.519
And have you tried it.

1310
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.800
Yeah, it feels really weird to make those. I'm ok

1311
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:13.519
with your like, I feel like I think I'm doing it,

1312
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.239
but I don't know if I'm doing it.

1313
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.440
Yeah, No, it totally does. You don't have the visual

1314
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:21.559
feedback to know whether you're moving your eyeballs or Yeah.

1315
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:24.679
For me, it seems like, yeah, I have fallen asleep

1316
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:26.960
after that, not during it, So I don't know if

1317
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.559
that's you're supposed to just I'm not sure which how

1318
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:31.599
it's supposed to work. If you're supposed to immediately fall asleep,

1319
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:32.000
or as.

1320
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:33.840
Long as you fall asleep pretty quickly after that, that

1321
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:35.920
it's a good thing. But I'll try to remember to

1322
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.280
try it again next time that happens. It's not something

1323
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:39.760
like when you wake up in the middle of the night.

1324
01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:42.199
You don't not something you think of automatically, I should

1325
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:43.960
try this, So, yeah, you have to kind of plant

1326
01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:45.519
it in your brain before you go to sleep.

1327
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:48.800
Well, because I was working in this case really hard

1328
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:51.679
this week. Not to make you feel guilty, but because

1329
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:54.440
you were out of town, I stayed up later. And

1330
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.559
then when I do that, I have a hard time sleeping.

1331
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.480
When I have a hard time sleeping and you're not home,

1332
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:04.320
I like to listen to a sleepy podcast, the Sleepy Bookshelf.

1333
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:08.000
I love that so much, the moost soothing voice in

1334
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:11.039
the world. And I fall asleep usually pretty quickly. Have

1335
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:12.719
you never tried that? Have you do?

1336
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.280
I can't sleep when something is on, when a TV

1337
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.760
is on or a podcast is on, I just my

1338
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.840
brain won't just detach from it and fall asleep.

1339
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.760
I can and the opposite. So I would rather have noise.

1340
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:25.519
I know a lot of people, yeah, are like that.

1341
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:27.400
I don't mind like white noise or things like that.

1342
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:31.199
But if somebody's talking, you know, there's dialogue, it just

1343
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:33.000
I can't not listen to it.

1344
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:35.199
It puts me to sleep like a baby. I'm looking

1345
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.880
at Keith, looking at you, Keith. Keith over there in

1346
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.000
the corner of Morison from Dateline.

1347
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:42.119
He's here in the room with Yes.

1348
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:44.400
That's always He's always in the room with us. He

1349
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:47.000
puts me to He's one of my preferred voices.

1350
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:47.960
Really interesting.

1351
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.199
People say that they fall asleep to us all the time.

1352
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.280
Yeah, they have such a names sweet.

1353
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:56.239
Dreams that we want. We have the best night's sleep. Okay,

1354
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:59.079
one last thing before we go. I pulled up this quiz,

1355
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.159
this true crime quiz. You're gonna hate it, but I

1356
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:03.920
think our listeners might like it. I'm just going to

1357
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.079
ask you a few questions because I don't think you're

1358
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.679
going to do super great. We'll put the link in

1359
01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:10.519
our show notes because I think a lot of listeners

1360
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.840
will probably do really well on this. Okay, we're interested

1361
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.599
by true crime. We have a true crime podcast, but

1362
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.599
we're not true crime experts or historians. Right you ready?

1363
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:24.039
I am which serial killer enjoy dressing up as a

1364
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.280
clown and working charity events?

1365
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:31.719
Oh something? Right?

1366
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:35.280
Ian Brady, Dennis Raider, John Wayne gaze.

1367
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:38.320
Oh, John Wayne Gazey. There's another series.

1368
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:39.920
It was the only one. I was like, I know,

1369
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:41.280
get I should have gotten it.

1370
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:41.559
Yeah.

1371
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:46.199
The Saint Valentine's Day massacre is associated with which famous

1372
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:51.039
criminal Al Capone, John Dillinger Junior or George.

1373
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.519
Moran have no idea al Capone.

1374
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:58.000
Al Capone is right in Chicago. Criminal H. H. Holmes

1375
01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:01.800
had a house in Chicago that eventually Which nickname is

1376
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:02.920
that The Devil in the White City?

1377
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.559
Yes, that's the Devil in the White City. The names, Yeah,

1378
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:08.599
I don't remember the nickname of the house.

1379
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:12.239
The Dungeon, Fraudeville, or Murder Castle.

1380
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:14.840
I'm gonna guess murder Castle.

1381
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:15.760
That is correct.

1382
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:18.159
I remember the story very well. It's The Devil in

1383
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:20.000
the White City. It is an amazing book if.

1384
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:22.000
You have a raised a story, yeah, because it's.

1385
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.320
Not just about the murder. It's also about the World's

1386
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:26.039
Fair and it's really really about that.

1387
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.920
Book by Eric Larson, who has since written many similar

1388
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:31.599
like true crime.

1389
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:33.760
Not really true crime very often. Most of his books

1390
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:34.639
are just historical.

1391
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.679
Well it was just say history wrapped true crime wrapped

1392
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:38.559
up in history.

1393
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:39.719
Yeah, he's a really good writer.

1394
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.039
But the first book is phenomenal. I don't think the

1395
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:43.800
other ones have been quite as interesting.

1396
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.320
They've all been interesting for different reasons, but yeah, that

1397
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:47.719
was probably the best that I've read.

1398
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:51.239
Which man was the most prolific known serial killer in

1399
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:56.559
the United States history? Gary Ridgway, Jeffrey Dahmer or Paul Knowles.

1400
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:58.559
I think Gary Ridgeway.

1401
01:05:58.159 --> 01:05:59.320
You are correct.

1402
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:00.840
Dumbs.

1403
01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.400
Which serial killer claimed that a demonic dog commanded him

1404
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:10.440
to commit murdermnic Dog, Dennis Raider, David Berkowitz or Bobby

1405
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:12.960
Joe Long Gosh, I don't know.

1406
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:14.559
I'm going to guess David Burkewitz.

1407
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.360
You're correct. He was known as the son of Sam

1408
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.039
and he killed six. Okay, I'm just going to be

1409
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:21.679
one more. Let me pick a good one. This is

1410
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:25.360
actually a really long quiz. A serial killer Ted Bundy

1411
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:29.960
once worked at which location a funeral home, a heart hospital,

1412
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.199
or a suicide prevention hotline?

1413
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:36.840
I will say a suicide prevention hotline?

1414
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:39.199
Correct? Do you know who he was? And Rule?

1415
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:40.840
I do know that. I was trying to think where

1416
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:42.760
would I because I thought Ann Rule worked for the

1417
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:45.119
police at some point, so I thought, well, maybe the

1418
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.480
suicide prevention hotline was somehow related to that work.

1419
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.480
So yeah, yeah, you did. You did a very good well.

1420
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.039
You gave me the choice of giving me the options.

1421
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:55.400
Let's help ques the.

1422
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:57.519
Quiz, though I didn't give you any clue, you know,

1423
01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:00.159
any extra clues. Yeah, I was just trying to allow

1424
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.519
you to prove your intelligence to everyone. Once again, it's

1425
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.119
trying to find a cuiz that was, like, you know,

1426
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:11.079
am I a genius? But which clearly you are. Clearly

1427
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:16.639
I have not let you know. I remind him pretty

1428
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:21.000
much hourly that he is the smartest one percent of

1429
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:24.480
the population. Well, I think that's all that we have

1430
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:26.960
for you today. Thank you so much for listening.

1431
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.559
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1432
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.159
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1433
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:37.440
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01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:48.679
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1438
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:51.639
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01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.000
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If you could give us a five star review, that

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really does help us. It makes us feel really warm

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and fuzzy inside and help other people find the podcast.

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The higher our rating is and we love to hear

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your Spotify comments.

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We sure do. Until next time, don't kill a wife

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and don't kill your husband.