The many wives of Drew Peterson - Part 1

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Hi, I'm Tina, and I'm
Rich. And if there's one thing we've

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learned in over twenty years of marriage, it's that some days you'll feel like

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killing your wife, and some days
you'll feel like killing your husband. Welcome

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to love, Mary Kill, Hey
Rich, Hey Tina. How are you?

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I'm doing pretty good. How are
you? I'm fabulous, fabulous.

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I'm really excited to be done with
the Peterson trilogy. Yeah, I'm sure

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there will be another Peterson that will
pop up eventually. I refused to research

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anywhere Peterson's. Never do another Peterson
case exactly. I'm almost pausitive. This

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will be two parts. No way
to just say it's going to commit to

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it two parts. Yes, sorry
for all the multi parters, but man,

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there's just so much information about these
men. One thing I will say

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for Drew is I am one hundred
positive that Drew is guilty. And I

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wouldn't say that in many cases,
all the Peterson's, all the Peterson's,

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I think he is the most guilty. I mean, I think that Scott

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is guilty too, for sure,
but I think that the evidence against Drew

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is just overwhelming. I think,
well, honestly, there is not a

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ton of no evidence against him.
But once you get to know Drew,

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and you got to know Drew,
you just don't doubt his built at all.

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I have no doubt. So huge, huge, huge news in the

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true crime community this week that shook
everyone. Yeah, the news is that

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the La Innocence Project has taken up
Scott's case. Shock, it was shocking,

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It was shocking. They made some
court filings where they are basically seeking

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additional DNA testing, additional discovery and
what was that. There was a third

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thing reviewing documents that have been under
seal. It's hundreds and hundreds of pages

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long. People are questioning the Los
Angeles Innocence projects credibility, but they are

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credible organizations. They're very reputable.
They're not the same as the Innocence Project,

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but they are affiliated with the Innocence
Project through the what's called the Innocence

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Network, which is a there's a
whole bunch of different seventy two different factions

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of it. Yeah, so it
is a Yeah, it's a reputable organization.

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There is some new evidence and we've
been hearing about this new evidence for

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years from Janey is it Janie Peterson, Yes, she's talked about this for

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years, so we don't really know
what this new evidence could be possibly related

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to the Medina burglary. We'll stand
the story, of course, and if

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there's enough information, we'll do a
little mini episode about it. Yeah,

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fascinating development. Will be interested to
see where it goes. I really dropped

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the ball because this case is in
Chicago, Chicago Land. Yeah, I'm

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from Chicago, born in Chicago,
wasn't raised in Chicago. I don't have

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a Chicago snack, and I'm really
I'm I'm really mad at myself that I

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didn't plan ahead, very disappointed in
you. No, I don't really know

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what Chicago snacks would be. I
know exactly what Chicago snack you would pick,

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Miss Fisher's. That's not that's a
Rockford snack. That's not a Chicago

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enough like a hot like hot dogs
or the Italian beef a beefizza. I

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don't know. We'll never know,
now, will we. All? Right?

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Well, my lovely, amazing,
sweet kind friend Kelly, who is

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a personal friend that I've known since
high school, believe it or not,

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sent me this beautiful box from nuts
dot com, and I'm just going to

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give that much shout out. And
that's just a snack that I brought you

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because this is the Supreme Box.
So thank you, Kelly. It really

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a lovely gift and huge box of
nuts and it's like a it was packaged

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really well. So the reason I'm
saying this is just if you not not

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sponsored, because they wouldn't sponsor,
but well maybe they would, but it's

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just beautifully packaged and I'm Kelly probably
picked out the things in it, but

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it's it's lovely. It has several
different kinds of nuts where big nut nut

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eaters. There's a little jar of
jelly. There's some dried apricots, some

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chocolate covered sunflower seeds, just chocolate
covered sunflower seeds. Yeah, some cheese

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sticks. Just it's a lovely gift. So all right, we're going to

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take a sample of everything. Sure, no, no, you can pick

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one. You can pick one thing
to open, all right. I don't

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know what I'm gonna pick. I'm
fascinated by the chocolate covered sunflower seeds.

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Oh really, I've never had those
before. Oh yeah, yeah it existed.

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Okay, I'll let you have those, all right, we'll be right

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back. What do you think I
really like the chocolate covered sunflower seeds?

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The Rich has a lot of salads, and on his sALS you always put

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sunflower seeds, but you have never
chocolate some flower seeds. Really though,

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you can hardly taste the sunflower seeds. It's kind of like just eating chocolate.

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They're really cute and colorful. I
had some cashews. I can never

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have enough cashews, and they were
fresh and delicious. And cashew is your

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favorite nut, I couldn't pick up. I really do genuinely love nuts.

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I have some unfavorite nuts, but
I don't think I have a favorite nuts.

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But we have cashews or maceadamia nuts
or almonds. They're all good.

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Nice. So that was a lot
of nut talk, And I'm curious how

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much of are my comments get edited
because you do the editing and I never

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less. I don't. I don't
edit you. I deserve to be edited.

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Absolutely. The world deserves to hear
the full glory of Tino. According

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to that one star review we got
this week, but we're not gonna We're

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not gonna dwell on then, we're
just gonna let it go, Let it

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go, Let it go. At
three pm today, there's a huge event

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that you're really excited about, Virtue
Crime podcast that is made up of ninety

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percent female listeners. We talk about
football way more than we should. You're

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the one who brought her up.
Do you want it? Well? I

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know, but I know you're so
excited about it. It's the Detroit Lions

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and they are in the playoffs.
So I just want you to give a

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predictions so by the time this airs
next Monday, you'll either be like a

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really smart guy or people will feel
lout of Well. I do want to

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remind every one of my prediction back
in like August, before the season started,

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I said the Lions were going to
make it to the NFC Championship game

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boiler he says this every August.
Okay, maybe, but they're so.

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They're playing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this
afternoon. I predict the Lions will win.

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It will be thirty one to twenty
seven. Okay. And it's so

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sweet because we had several people like
that have messaged us, you know,

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Can Teleridge, congratulations and the U
of M National championship. So well,

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for anyone who knows anything about the
Lions football, they've been bad for as

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long as I've been alive, so
and that's a long time. Yeah,

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So I am not a Lions fan, but I am thrilled for you because

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I love you. All right.
On to Drew Peterson. Stacy Peterson,

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twenty three, was last seen on
Sunday morning, October twenty eighth, two

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thousand and seven, in bowling Brook, Illinois, by her fifty three year

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old husband, Drew Peterson. Drew, a police sergeant, was a twenty

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nine year veteran of the bowling Brook
Police Department. Stacy planned to meet her

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sister and a friend to paint a
rental house. She never showed up,

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and no one was able to locate
her all day. Her husband claimed he'd

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talk to Stacy, his fourth wife, around nine pm, when she told

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him she was leaving him and their
four children for another man. No one,

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not any of Stacy's friends or a
family, believed this claim. In

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the early morning hours of October twenty
ninth, twenty two year old Cassandra Cale's,

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Stacy's sister, walked into the Illinois
State Police Department in Lockport, Illinois

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to report her beloved sister as a
missing person. We're going to talk about

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bowling Brook, Illinois for a minute. Bowlingbrook, Illinois incorporated in nineteen sixty

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five. Is younger than its most
famous resident, Drew Peterson. Less than

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thirty miles southwest of Chicago, young
families were lured by advertisements that featured a

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handsome and distinguished British butler named mister
Dover to model homes in three similar subdivisions,

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the Westbury, Colonial Village and King's
Park subdivisions. I'm not sure I

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would be lured to a town just
because of some English butler on an advertisement,

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But okay, I think if you
lived in the Chicago area and you

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wanted affordable housing, you mister Dover
probably looked pretty good to you. These

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three subdivisions were referred to as Bowlingbrook
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People came via the Stevenson Expressway,
the new and improved Route sixty six

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had been renamed. It was the
long umbilical cord that stretched out from the

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city of Chicago to the far west
farmlands. The first model homes went up

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on Rockland Court off Route fifty three, just north of the current plus Pheasant

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Hill shopping center. For as little
as a two hundred dollars down payment,

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you could purchase a ten thousand dollars
home. But for that price. You

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received little more than an unfinished box
on an unpaved street, bare of many

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creature comforts like carpet, flooring or
landscaping. But you are a homeowner today.

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Nearly seventy five thousand people live in
bowling Brook. Bowling Brook borders the

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communities of Woodridge, Romeoville, Plainfield, Naperville, and Darien. It's relatively

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inexpensive housing and its proximity to Chicago
make it an increasingly popular place to call

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home. Bowling Brook is a safe
place to live, with a crime rate

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sixty percent lower than the national average. That is, unless you are romantically

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linked to Drew Peterson. Have you
ever been to bowling Brook? You know,

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I have a lot of family in
Illinois and cousins and things, but

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I don't think anyone in bowling Brook. But it's we considered moving to Naperville

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years ago, years and years ago. And it's a great area. Yeah,

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great location near Chicago. Yep,
very nice. Drew Walter Peterson was

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born on January fifth, nineteen fifty
four, in bowling Brook, Illinois,

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the oldest of three children. So
another horrible Capricorn. I'm a Capricorn.

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It just seems like there's an abundant
amount of capricorns. I don't know.

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His father, a former marine,
was an abusive alcoholic. His mother was

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a meticulous housekeeper, a standard Drew's
four wives would later fall short of.

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According to him, Drew's father was
hard on him. He had high expectations

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for him, and high school,
Drew was on the football team. He

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frequently had to run laps for mouthing
off to his coaches, wearing all of

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his cumbersome football gear. He became
so good at running that he joined the

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cross country team instead. He graduated
from Willowbrook High School in nineteen seventy four,

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then joined the Army, where he
became a member of the Elite Honor

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Guard. After two years in the
Army, Drew joined the bowling Brook Police

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Department. He was soon promoted to
work as an undercover narcotics officer for multiple

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jurisdictions with the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad. I don't have this in here,

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but for a while he worked at
it must have been when he was in

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the Army he worked as a guard
at the White House. Interesting. Drew

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married his high school sweetheart, Carol
Brown, in nineteen seventy four. He

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was twenty. She was seventeen seventeen. That's young. Yeah, she was

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young. They had two sons together, Stephen and Eric. They divorced in

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nineteen eighty after six years of marriage
when she discovered that Drew was having an

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affair. This would not be Drew's
only affair. No, hard to believe,

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well, Drew said, quote,
I take full responsibility for that.

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Carol was a good woman. Unquote. Vicki Connolly became Drew's second wife in

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nineteen eighty two. They met at
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She was five years younger than Drew. He had a daughter from a previous

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relationship. Vicky and Drew didn't have
any children together. Drew was abusive to

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Vicki and frequently cheated on her.
He had threatened to kill her and promised

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that everyone would believe her death was
an accident. Vicky recalled waking up one

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night Withdrew menacingly standing over her when
Vicky was in a near fatal car accident.

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She believed that Drew tampered with the
brakes on her car. They were

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married for nine years, and she
told the Chicago Tribune quote, when it

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was good, it was wonderful,
It was great, but when it was

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bad, it was really bad.
Unquote. Vicky said that Drew played mind

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games and bugged their home. He
was the one having an affair, but

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became increasingly suspicious and controlling of her. Vicky was never unfaithful. Drew said

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that Vicky was warm and loving before
the marriage fell apart. It's nice that

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he can say nice things about his
wife. I guess, yeah, I'm

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already starting. I already hate this
guy. Between his first and second marriages,

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Drew was engaged to another woman,
twenty year old Kyle Peiriri. They

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were engaged for four months before she
ended the engagement years later. She accused

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him of stalking her and using his
authority as a police officer to make her

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life difficult. He stalked her while
he was working, pulled her over,

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and ticketed her several times for benign
offenses such as bald tires. Oh that's

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horrible. It is horrible, and
it's terrifying. Like if you're dating a

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police officer and it goes bad and
they want to get revenge or they want

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like it's that's scary, right.
They have a lot of power and they

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can make your life miserable and there
are several examples of Drew abusing his authority

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as a police officer. Kathleen Savio
was the youngest of four children born to

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Henry and Mary Savio. Henry was
an HVAC technician. The Savio kids grew

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up in Chicago's Little Italy neighborhood.
Henry and Marry divorced when Kitty, as

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her family called her, was two. When Mary remarried, the family moved

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to Melrose Park, Illinois. Kitty's
new stepfather didn't have a steady job,

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and Henry failed to pay child support, which caused the money to be tight

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for the family. When Kathleen was
seventeen, she earned her ged and moved

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out of the house. She began
work as a bookkeeper while attending community college

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working towards a degree in accounting.
Kathleen ended a five year relationship with an

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accountant that she had been dating when
she didn't think it was going anywhere,

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and she agreed to go out on
a blind date with Drew Peterson. Kathleen

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was in her late twenties and wanted
to get married and start her own family.

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She quickly fell for Drew, but
she didn't know that he was still

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married to his second wife, Vicki. When she found out, she was

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furious. Drew told her that Vicky
wasn't a good wife, she was a

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drug addict, and they were getting
divorced. Drew proposed to Kathleen six months

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after their first date. Are you
seeing a pattern here? A little bit

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of a pattern? Yet? They
were married on May third, nineteen ninety

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two, a few months after his
divorce from Vickie was finalized. Kathleen's sisters

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said, quote, he seemed wonderful. He was mister Romance, the nice,

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upstanding young cop. In the beginning
their marriage was great. Kathleen had

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things like she never had before,
a beautiful home, fur coats, everything.

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She felt like a princess. They
quickly had two sons together nineteen months

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apart, Thomas and Christopher. Kathleen
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she was a beloved member of her
family. But she was also known to

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be strong, willed, feisty,
and a fighter. Was there an age

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difference between Drew and Kathleen ten years
ago. I'm sensing a pattern. Yeah,

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definitely, he had some patterns.
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He called Kathleen fad and said she
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and pushed her once down the stairs. Her injuries were severe enough to land

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her in the er she was and
bruises. So just not a nice guy.

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No, it's another pattern with him
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And yeah, I think the abuse
Scott increasingly worse is he got older.

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One month, Kathleen noticed that Drew's
cell phone bill had blown up. She

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took a closer look and called the
number that most frequently appeared. A young

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woman named Heather answered. Kathleen asked
her to come over to the house so

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that she could confront her other to
stop the affair with Drew. After her

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talk with Kathleen, so Kathleen was
like a brave woman. She wasn't afraid

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to confront things in her life.
In two thousand and one, Drew began

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a relationship with sixteen year old Stacy
Kalees. He brought her to his home

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to have sex with her while his
family supped upstairs. Kathleen received an anonymous

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letter from a bowling Brook City employee
alerting her to the affair. In early

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two thousand and two. There are
conflicting reports about Stacy's age when she and

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Drew started seeing each other. But
Cassandra, Stacy's sister and biggest advocate,

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is adamant that she was sixteen when
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know if their relationship was physical at
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she was seventeen the relationship became physical. And how old was Drew at this

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point? He's thirty years older.
Oh my goodness, yeah, he was

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forty seven when they started dating.
Here's the letter that Kathleen received in the

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mail. Kathy, this letter is
being sent to you for your benefit.

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At this point in time, you
are probably aware that your husband is having

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an affair. The girl's name and
she is just that a girl is Stacy

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Yelton, which isn't her name?
Her name is Stacy Cale's. She was

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born July seventeenth, nineteen eighty four
and resides at five eleven Preston, Apartment

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one twenty nine in Bowling Brook.
You may already have all of this information,

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but if not, you will need
it to prevent any further embarrassment and

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disgrace to you and your family.
This affair has been going on for several

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months and several people have been aware
of this situation. Because of her age

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seventeen and the fact that she is
an employee of the village, and because

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of Drew's age and his occupation,
he holds a position of authority over her.

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Hw could be charged criminally for his
intimate involvement with this minor. Village

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officials and everyone at the police department
have complete knowledge of this situation. It

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has been an ongoing joke within the
department. The issue has been discussed and

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has been decided to conceal his behavior
to protect the village and Drew because of

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his political alliances with Roger Clark and
Ken Each they are protecting themselves from the

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embarrassment and the liability. The real
victims being you and your family should be

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the ones being protected from the embarrassment. This is not the first time in

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the past year that Drew's immoral and
unethical behavior has been concealed. This past

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summer, Drew allowed the beating of
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The past fall, Drew was suspected
to have planted narcotics cocaine on two separate

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drug raids to obtain a substantial arrest
to overshadow his recent behavior and now his

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illegal intimate relationship with a minor.
Drew has been willing to sacrifice his integrity

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for his personal gain, with total
disregard that his actions will embarrass and disrespect

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his wife and children. Beware who
you talk to within the village administration and

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within the police department. Protect yourself
and your family. Wow, isn't that

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crazy? I have questions? So, and Kathleen has some notes scrawled on

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the bottom of this letter, and
it says letters sent to my home in

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October two thousand and one warning me
of Drew's illegal actions and embarrassment to wife

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and kids. Drew's credibility isn't there
anymore, and now he dictates a seventeen

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year old to do his dirty work. That's astonishing to the receive a letter.

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Oh, I know, I can't
imagine. And we don't know who

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wrote the letter. It was anonymous. I mean it was a city employee,

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right, someone. And Kathleen did
not She was not aware of the

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affair before this letter. Like that
was her how she found out? I

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believe. So. Yeah, yeah, Kathleen was devastated. She kicked Drew

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out of the house and immediately took
steps to end the marriage, and the

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spring, Drew and Stacey moved in
together into a new house that he purchased

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blocks away from the home he had
shared with Kathleen and his sons, so

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in the same subdivision. Drew claimed
he wanted to be close to his children,

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but it seemed more likely that he
was trying to antagonize Kathleen. Drew

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and Stacy taunted Kathleen, rollerblading past
her house and giving her the finger.

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Stacey and Drew liked the attention their
age difference attracted. They would kiss passionately

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in public, and she would pretend
he was buying liquor for her and her

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friends and call him Daddy. I
mean, Stacy's seventeen. Bit of a

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break. Yeah, definitely give Stacy
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And we're going to learn more about
Stacy in a few minutes, but she's

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had a pretty hard upbringing. On
occasions Stacy and Drew were dropping the boys

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off at Kathleen's house after a weekend
visit, Stacy held Kathleen's video camera in

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her hand, filming her. Kathleen
lunged at the camera and Stacy yelled,

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you hit me, Drew put Kathleen
in a headlock and arrested her. She

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was charged with battery. The matter
was later dismissed and expunged from the record,

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so another example of Drew abusing his
authority. The police were called eighteen

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times for domestic disturbances during the contentious
divorce. Kathleen called about twelve times,

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and Drew or Stacy about six.
Kathleen filed an order of protection against Drew

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on March eleventh, two thousand and
two, alleging physical abuse, harassment,

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and interference with her physical liberty.
Drew told her he would burn the house

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down just to shut her up.
He threatened to kill her many times,

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she wrote into the petition to the
court, quote, several times he has

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restrained me, held me down,
knocked me into walls, come after me

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with a poker, ripped my necklace
off, left marks on my body,

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threatened to steal the children and desert
me. The restraining order was granted,

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but Kathleen later dropped it because Drew
would otherwise not have been able to work

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because he wouldn't be able to carry
a gun, and she and the boys

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were still depending on Drew's income as
a police officer and may. Kathleen was

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arrested for pushing, spitting, and
punching Drew when he pressed charges after one

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of their fights, and Kathleen also
punched Stacy. I think Kathleen was just

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she was embarrassed and overall with emotion, and she was really struggling with the

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situation. Sounds like a horrible situation
her. I mean, her husband is

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dating a child right yeah, and
living right in the neighborhood and taunting her.

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Everyone in the neighbors and everyone is
seeing this in front of them.

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It's just it's just he's disgusting.
On July fifth, two thousand and two,

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Drew broke into Kathleen's house and held
her at knife point for hours,

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threatening to kill her while she sat
on the stairs. As he held a

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knife to her throat, he told
her that he would kill her right there,

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but it would be too bloody.
Wow. So Shrew's account of this

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that event, he said, Oh, she was trying to seduce me and

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we were just talking on the stairs, and she was showing me her breast

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and she was trying to have kissed
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that does not sound like the same, very different accounts. Yeah, November

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fourteenth, two thousand and two,
Kathleen wrote a letter to the Assistant States

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Attorney, Elizabeth Fragail, asking for
help. This is kind of long,

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but I think it just shows Kathleen
what she was struggling with and her state

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of mind. And whenever we read
quotes, we have to read them as

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they are, and Kathleen's writing here
is there's some grammatical errors, but we

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need to read it as she wrote
it. Do you want to read it?

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Sure, Miss Fragail. On three
different occasions, I have tried to

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reach you over the phone regarding charge
as I filed against Drew Peterson on the

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date of July fifth, two thousand
and two. Note, I did contact

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the police department and talked to the
Assistant Chief, Mike Kelcagno, in reference

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to Drew's break in that same weekend. I then filed a report in regards

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to my safety from Drew by two
officer that arrived at my residence three nine

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two Pheasant Chase, Bowlingbrook, Illinois. When I found out mister Peterson was

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having an affair with a miner at
the police department, he began to get

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very violent by striking me with his
hand and chasing me through the house with

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a police stick. At that time
on record, I had to get an

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order of protection from him. There
have been several times throughout my marriage with

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this man where I ended up at
the emergency room in bowling Brook for injuries,

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and I have reported this, only
to have the police leave my home

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without filing any reports. On July
fifth, mister Peterson got into my home

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with a garage door opener he programmed
for himself while I was out of town

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with my sons. I was unaware
of his presence and was very, very

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afraid for my life. This man
popped out from our living room well while

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I was walking downstairs with a basket
of laundry. I was shocked and dropped

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all the clothes and stood there asking
him to get out. Drew was in

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uniform, swat uniform with his police
radio in his ear. He yelled for

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me to sit down and be quiet. I refused, and he pushed me

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on the stairs. He told me
to move down to the third step and

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not to move or speak. He
was very angry that in our divorce the

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judge ruled he would have to pay
me child support. He told me he

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didn't want to pay me anything.
He left my boys eight and nine,

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and I with many bills up to
two thousand dollars and with an eleven thousand

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dollar income tax bill as well as
sixty eight hundred dollar property tax bill for

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us to pay. Needless to say, we are without money or any credit.

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He kept me in a position for
a very long length of time while

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trying to convince me how horrible I
am and I just need to die.

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He asked me several times if I
was afraid. I started to panic.

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He pulled out his knife that he
kept around his leg and brought it to

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my neck. I thought I'd never
see my boys again. I just told

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him to end this craziness, and
he, for some reason pulled back.

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I didn't tell the police because I
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I know he will be back.
He's now attempting to try to make me

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look like the bad guy with untrue
charges of battery against him and his seventeen

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year old girlfriend. The sick thing
is I really think they're enjoying this.

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Over the summer, they went out
of their way to rollerblade right in front

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of my home, drive by and
stop for long lengths of time in front

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of the house, childish things like
his girl his girlfriend flipping me off if

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I was out in front with the
kids while driving by. At the present

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time, my children have been in
a program at school called Rainbows, in

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efforts to repair some of the damage
Drew and his girlfriend have created, one

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of which Drew falsely arrested me in
front of my children, with my face

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in the grass and calling me a
criminal for hitting his girl friend, which

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didn't happen. Instead, she called
me a bunch of inappropriate names in front

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of my children, so I felt
it was necessary to get them back in

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the house away from this. When
I ran to the truck, it being

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very high up, I noticed Stacy, his girlfriend, taping me with the

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stolen camera Drew took from our home. I attempted to take the camera and

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my next goal was to return to
my home with my children, but I

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was thrown to the ground and treated
like an outlaw and booked and arrested for

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no reason. My wrist was sprained
when I was being thrown to the ground

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and held down by Drew, who
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While this was happening, my children
were being held against their will by Stacy

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while she told them to sit down
and be quiet. The letter goes on

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for quite a bit longer where she
details other incidents that happened, but I'm

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going to skip past and go to
the end, to the end here where

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she says he knows how to manipulate
the system and his next step is to

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take my children away or kill me
instead. I really would like to know

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why this man wasn't charged with this
unlawful entry and attempt on my life.

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I'm willing to take any test you
want me to take to prove my innocence

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of charges against me, and also
any lie detector test on my statement I

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filed against him. I really feel
Drew is a loose cannon. He's out

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on the streets of bowling Brook patrolling
and just taking the law into his own

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hands. I haven't received any help
from the police here in bowling Brook and

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asking for your help now before it's
too late. I really hope by filing

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this charge it might stop him from
trying to hurt us. Sincerely, Kathleen

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Peterson. Nothing came of this letter, which is so sad and hard it

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is. It's really hard to read
it just because you can just feel her,

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the fear that she has in this
situation and pain m HM. Drew

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and Kathleen bifurcated their divorce, which
means it was divided into two parts.

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Marital status and everything else such as
custody agreements and separation of assets would all

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be handled up. Really, their
marriage was dissolved by the fall of two

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thousand and two, but the rest
of the legal issues were pending, and

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the intent of bifurcating their divorce was
that Drew could sooner marry Stacey. The

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court date for the second half of
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first week in March. Kathleen would
likely be given half of everything. Drew

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was furious, as you can imagine, about his assets being split in half.

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On March first, two thousand and
four, after a weekend with Tom

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and Chris, Drew dropped them off
at their mother's house. When Kathleen didn't

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open the door, Drew brought the
boys back to his house for another night.

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It was unusual for Kathleen to not
be home with the time of a

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schedule drop off. She had called
the police on multiple occasions when Drew was

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late dropping the boys off. The
next night, he attempted to drop them

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off again, dressed in his uniform. Again, Kathleen didn't answer the door.

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Drew summoned two neighbors for help.
Because of his acrimonious relationship with Kathleen,

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00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.200
he was hesitant to enter the house
unassisted. Drew waded in the foyer

406
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.000
while the neighbors searched the house for
Kathleen. After a locksmith was called to

407
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:12.640
open the door, the neighbors found
Kathleen forty naked and dead in the bathtub

408
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:17.160
with a one inch bloody gash to
the back of her head. She was

409
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.279
face down in the tub with her
knees drawn up underneath her, and her

410
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.079
feet were pressed against the back of
the tub. It looked like she was

411
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:26.720
in Child's post. Do you know
what Child's post? It's a yoga pose

412
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.200
I do. I do Child's Post
all the time. I asked you yesterday,

413
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.480
child. I didn't know what it
was, but I googled it and

414
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.519
I was like, oh, yes, I do this all the time because

415
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.359
of my back issues and help Child's
postes. It's a good post. But

416
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.000
it was really odd that that's how
her body was positioned in the tub.

417
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.720
The bathtub was empty, but Kathleen's
hair was wet, I think part of

418
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:55.000
partly wet from with water but also
with coagulated blood, and her fingers were

419
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.240
wrinkled. Blood was also at the
bottom of the tub, which is strange

420
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:00.960
because if there had been water in
the tub, you would think that the

421
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:07.880
blood would have washed away. So
strange. The scene just felt a little

422
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.279
suspicious. There was no towel,
bath matt or robe near the tub,

423
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:18.079
and the shampoo bottles were all kind
of lined up around the tub, like

424
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.720
nothing really looked askew, and you
would think if there, if she fell

425
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:27.319
hit her head, she would have
grabbed for something. And oddly, like

426
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:32.759
I said, there was no towel
or anything, but later, like some

427
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.599
people that arrived at the scene said
there was no towel. But then in

428
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.680
the crime scene photos there was a
towel that was fold in a neatly placed.

429
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.400
I showed you the photo and the
towel was like right by the faucet,

430
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.920
which seemed like you wouldn't put the
towel right by the faucet. So

431
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.440
I don't know if the scene could
have been manipulated or not. The bowling

432
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:53.480
Brook Police Department were called and they
were all too familiar with the troubles between

433
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:59.279
Drew and Kathleen because Drew was a
police officer. It was a delicate situation

434
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:04.039
and the Bowling Police Department decided it
would be prudent to hand the case over

435
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.839
to the Illinois State Police. The
police quickly assessed the situation and assumed that

436
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:13.519
Kathleen had slipped in the tub and
drowned. The house was not properly processed

437
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.359
as a crime scene, however,
no fingerprints or DNA samples were taken.

438
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.000
But to be fair, there were
no signs of foul play at Kathleen's house,

439
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.000
no sign of forced entry or burglary. But if you're Drew Peterson,

440
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.279
you had a key, so you
didn't need to force yourself in. And

441
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:32.680
there were no defensive wounds to her
body, which will go over later because

442
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.559
maybe there were. However, it
was strange that the bathtub was stoppered but

443
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.319
empty, and Kathleen's hair was wet
and her fingers were pruned. It's all

444
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.200
very strange to me. I'm not
sure at what point the water would have

445
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.960
right, Why were her fingers pruned? Yeah, it true, you know,

446
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.400
like it was twenty four hours since
Ian Drew had tried to drop the

447
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.599
kids off. We can assume she
was dead in the tub for at least

448
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:00.319
twenty four hours, I believe.
So. Yes, yeah, it's changed

449
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.599
because you could think, you could
imagine the water would slowly seep out even

450
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.240
if it was stoppard, but the
fact that she was still wet. She

451
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.400
was still wet, her hair was
wett, and think her body was wet.

452
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.119
Give me Sarah woodmer vibes, remember
Sarah. Yeah. The financial settlement,

453
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:20.119
which was said to be finalized the
next week, would force Drew to

454
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.119
give Kathleen half of his pension,
the value of the house, which was

455
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:29.240
over three hundred thousand dollars, and
I believe the house was paid for primary

456
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:34.559
custody of the boys and division of
businesses the couple owned. Drew would also

457
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.839
have to pay a couple thousand dollars
in child sport each month for his two

458
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:44.119
sons, Thomas eleven and Christopher nine. Drew owned a one hundred thousand dollar

459
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:49.039
life insurance policy on Kathleen, but
she also had her own policy that was

460
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.960
valued at a million dollars, and
Drew was the beneficiary of that policy.

461
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:59.559
I believe he still was at that
point sounds like he had a motive.

462
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:06.519
He sure did and means Steve Maniaki, Kathleen's boyfriend of about a year,

463
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.760
was the last person known to have
talked to her. He spoke to her

464
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:15.039
on Sunday morning at about one am. She asked him to come over,

465
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.840
but he was already in bed and
declined. No one was able to reach

466
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.920
Kathleen all day on Sunday, Okay, So I just want to clarify the

467
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:28.360
timeline before we go on. We
know that Kathleen was alive Sunday morning,

468
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.360
very early at one am, yes, and her body was not found by

469
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:36.559
the neighbors until Tuesday evening, right, so it was a pretty long period

470
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.320
of time. But Sunday no one
heard from her, right, so she

471
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:44.480
probably died on Sunday. That's what
I am thinking that early Sunday morning,

472
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:50.920
that that's when Drew came over and
killed her. Kathleen's sister, Susan Savio,

473
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:52.760
said she told her that if she
died, it may look like an

474
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:58.760
accident, but it's not, and
she added, it's just very hard for

475
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.119
me to accept what had happened.
His reactions to this were a laughing matter.

476
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.519
He was cleaning everything out and he
was ready to get rid of the

477
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.360
house. It's very hard end quote. An autopsy was done the day after

478
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.960
Kathleen was found dead. The pathologist
didn't reveal anything suspicious in the autopsy.

479
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.039
Kathleen was a normal, healthy,
forty year old woman. There were no

480
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.880
drugs or alcohol in her system.
They found a one inch blunt laceration to

481
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.159
Kathleen's scalp, a red abrasion to
her left buttox, three bruises on her

482
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.119
lower abdomen, a bruise on the
back of her thigh, purple bruises on

483
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.639
both shins, two abrasions to the
left wrist, an abrasion to her right

484
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:44.960
index finger, and a red abrasion
on her left elbow. The pathologists believed

485
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.639
that all of the bruising and abrasions
were older and from a prior incident,

486
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.559
and did not contribute to Kathleen's death. He believed that the gash on the

487
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.320
back of her head was consistent with
a fall. But it's strange because the

488
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.719
tub was circular in nature, and
you know, I would think you would

489
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:02.559
get a bump, a bad bump. What would you get a gash?

490
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.400
Right? It seems unlikely and all
of those bruises. That was a lot

491
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.760
of bruises were all from a previous, previous incident and not fresh. What

492
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:17.280
do you think about that? I
am suspicious? The pathologist and paneled a

493
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:22.280
six member jury for a coroner's inquest
in May two thousand and four. The

494
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.320
jurors were able to choose between five
possible causes of death, natural, accidental

495
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:32.320
suicide, homicide, or undetermined.
The verdict of a coroner's inquest holds no

496
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:37.480
legal sway. An inquest is held
when the cause of death is suspicious but

497
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:43.400
there is no obvious fall play.
The jury agreed with a pathologist and found

498
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:49.159
Kathleen's cause of death to be accidental. Kathleen's sister was adamant that Kathleen's death

499
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.320
was no accident and implored police to
take a closer look, a more thorough

500
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:57.119
look. Quote. I was screaming
my head off. I was calling everyone

501
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.960
I could. I had a suitcase
full of stuff. The coroner said,

502
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.159
closed, it's an accident. I
asked the coroner's staff more than once.

503
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.039
Is there any further testing you can
do? I'm thinking maybe exotic drugs or

504
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:15.360
maybe a strange poison. Stacy was
Jew's alibi during the time of Kathleen's death.

505
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.159
But it's kind of weird because you
know, we don't know her when

506
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.039
she was three. She was dead. So Stacy was like, I was

507
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.239
by his side for forty eight hours. I guess we don't know. When

508
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.119
Stacy was questioned by the police,
Drew was by her side and he had

509
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.159
coached her for hours before the questioning. Of course he had. Yeah,

510
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.320
so, and you know you're not
supposed to have anyone with you when you're

511
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:43.880
questioned by the police. Shrew produced
a will from the nineteen nineties that gave

512
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:49.119
him ownership of Kathleen's estate, although
Kathleen had told her lawyer that she didn't

513
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:54.079
have a will. Oh do you
think he forged it? Yeah? I

514
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.960
do, I sure do. What
a guy, let's take a break,

515
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:06.679
we'll be right back. You were
going to tell us a little bit about

516
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:12.039
Stacy's background, right, yes.
Stacy and Cales was born on January twentieth,

517
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.760
nineteen eighty four, in Downers Grove, Illinois, to Anthony and Christy

518
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:21.000
Kele's. She was the third of
five children. Stacy had an older brother,

519
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.480
Yelton, and three sisters, Jessica, Lacey, and Cassandra. Jessica

520
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.159
sadly died in a house fire before
Stacy was born. Lacey, who was

521
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:37.400
born two years after Stacy, died
from sudden infant death syndrome. After losing

522
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.880
her second child, Christy fell into
a downward spiral. She left her children

523
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.559
with relatives for weeks at a time
and saw them only occasionally. She spent

524
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.199
time at a psychiatric hospital and struggled
with alcohol abuse, drinking a case of

525
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.840
beer a day. She had several
run ins with the LAFT for disorderly conduct,

526
00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:00.960
drunk driving, damage to property,
and shoplifting. She was also charged

527
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:06.320
with child neglect. Her husband,
Anthony, also an alcoholic, was abusive

528
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.599
to Christy and the children. They
divorced in nineteen ninety. Anthony was granted

529
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.639
custody of the children. Can you
met like the courts like which parent?

530
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:21.800
Which alcoholic parent is less horrible to
the children? Yeah? So Anthony did

531
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.719
get custody and he took the children, relocated to Florida and remarried. So

532
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.320
the children, obviously they did not
have a stable environment. They moved frequently,

533
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:36.079
and eventually they did return to Illinois. Yelton, Stacy, and Cassandra

534
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.920
often had to depend on each other
because of their neglectful parents. The siblings

535
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:44.480
were all very close. All they
had in the world was each other to

536
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.599
depend on, and they had to
be really resourceful sometimes, you know,

537
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:52.400
they didn't have food or money,
and they always made it work. And

538
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.360
they did have some other relatives that
help them out from time to time,

539
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.880
but the only ones they could truly
depend on were each other. Yeah.

540
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.800
When Stacy was fourteen in nineteen ninety
eight, Christy left the house with only

541
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.440
her Bible. She told her family
she was going to church, but she

542
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:13.880
was never heard from again. Her
disappearance was never investigated. Nuts that is

543
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:19.599
insane. Yelton was in and out
of jail on sexual assault and theft charges.

544
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.519
When she was in high school.
Stacy went to live with her half

545
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.880
sister, Tina, who was eight
years older. They were very close.

546
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.679
Cassandra went to live with a family
friend named Pamela Bosco, who became her

547
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:36.079
legal guardian. Stacy graduated from high
school a semester early and worked as an

548
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.880
overnight hotel clerk at spring Hill Suites
in Bolingbrook, and that's where she met

549
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:45.159
Drew Peterson. She was only sixteen
years old. Drew was forty seven.

550
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:51.119
As Drew grew older, his romantic
partners seemed to become younger. They met

551
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:55.679
when Drew's partner was romancing another clerk
at the hotel. Drew was charming and

552
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.719
he made Stacy feel safe. She
preferred older men. Drew was generous with

553
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.920
Stacy. He bought her a car, paid for her apartment, and helped

554
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.119
her furnish it. It was more
than her parents had ever done for her.

555
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:14.039
So Stacy is this vulnerable, very
vulnerable young woman, And I wouldn't

556
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.599
call Drew charming or dashing, but
other people have, and I think she

557
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:21.000
just he made her feel secure and
took care of her. No one else

558
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.159
had been doing that, so I
think it was probably a huge relief to

559
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.360
have him in her life right and
having an authority figure, someone who's a

560
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:34.199
contector. And members of the bowling
Brook Police Department weren't happy when they discovered

561
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.800
that, still married, Drew was
dating a miner, but the age of

562
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.119
consent in Illinois is seventeen. However, if the person the miner is dating

563
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.119
is in a position of authority over
them, it is considered illegal. For

564
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.199
example, if they were a coach
or a teacher. Drew was determined not

565
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.079
to be a person of authority over
Stacy by the Office of the Attorney General

566
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:59.239
of Illinois. It's hard to believe, huh it is. But one question

567
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.079
I have is earlier in the letter
that was written to Kathleen, the person

568
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.440
writing the letter claimed that she worked
for the village, which in that situation,

569
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.000
I would imagine he would be a
person of authority over her. But

570
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:14.800
this sounds like she was working at
a hotel. I don't know if that

571
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.800
person was mistaken, but I know
that Drew and Stacey met while she was

572
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:23.239
working at the hotel. Okay.
Candace Aiken, Stacy's aunt, her mother's

573
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.880
sister, said that she was like
a mother to Stacy. Quote. I

574
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.760
met Drew in two thousand and one, right after she met him. It

575
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.920
was pretty crazy, but she was
old enough to make her own choices.

576
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.480
Yeah, she wasn't. There was
nothing I could do. She didn't have

577
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.599
a mom, she didn't have a
lot of guidance. I don't mean that

578
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:45.199
in a bad way. It's just
how her life was. She lived in

579
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.559
California, so maybe she didn't feel
like there was anything that she could do

580
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.079
that really bothered me. She's like, oh, she's like my daughter by

581
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.960
I wouldn't let my daughter date a
fifty year old right, Yeah, Drew

582
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.760
and Stacy were reckless having sex in
Drew's house when Kathleen and the children were

583
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.400
sleeping. Drew had a secret room
in the basement that had a padlock on

584
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.440
the door. It was painted all
black with mirrors on the walls and ceiling.

585
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.199
Stacy would spend the night and sneak
out in the morning. That's not

586
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.119
creepy, No, not at all. Drew Peterson was fired from the bowling

587
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:21.800
Brook Police Department after working as an
undercover cop for seven years. He enjoyed

588
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.400
being undercover, and his superior said
he was good at the work. Shrew

589
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:29.880
was fired after he went rogue and
ran his own investigation into a gangster.

590
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:36.039
At the same time, the state
was also pursuing an investigation into the same

591
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.599
person, so they were pretty mad
when he screwed it up. No.

592
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:45.000
No, he also tipped off a
biker gang about an impending drug bust.

593
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.960
He was indicted, but the charges
were later dropped and he was rehired.

594
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.760
Which is strange to me that they
hired him. Mm hmm, sounds like

595
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.559
he had a very like his record
was he was always in trouble for something.

596
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:02.280
He was over always overstepping his It
was Drew's world and everyone else was

597
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.880
just living in it. And Drew
was a horrible husband. But he did

598
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:08.639
work hard. I'll give him that. At one time he had as money

599
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:13.719
as six jobs and business as he
owned, among them a printing company,

600
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:20.280
a bar called Sud's Pub, a
karate school. He was a cable installer,

601
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:27.079
a wedding photographer, a chimney sweep. It's a police office he did.

602
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.000
He had all six of these businesses
or jobs at the same time while

603
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.920
he was a police officer. I'm
not sure if they were all at the

604
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:40.960
same time. Wow. There she
was also a licensed pilot. And by

605
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.400
all accounts he was a good dad. But I wrote that, and then

606
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:45.679
later on I found that one of
his sons was like, he was a

607
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:52.760
horrible father. Wow, killing your
children's mothers enough to say you're probably not

608
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:58.159
a good dad. Very valid point. Not long after Kathleen's death, forty

609
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.800
nine year old Drew and nineteen year
olds Stacy were married on October eighteenth,

610
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.360
two thousand and three. Can you
imagine going to that wedding and celebrating this

611
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:12.480
union of these two people, that
thirty year difference, and poor Stacy just

612
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.960
doesn't know what she is getting herself
into. Right, and not long after

613
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.400
Kathleen died too. I mean,
I know they were, you know,

614
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.639
not together anymore, but still,
that's the whole thing is just pretty ugan.

615
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.960
And I don't know what the kids
are supposed to do with right.

616
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.280
Drew proposed three times before Stacy relented
and said yes. Their son, Anthony,

617
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:37.599
named after Stacy's father, was born
three months before their wedding in July

618
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:42.159
two thousand and three. A daughter, Lacey, soon followed in two thousand

619
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.119
and five. Remember Lacey was Stacy's
baby sister who had died in a fire.

620
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:51.320
But Lacey Peterson, Wow, that
is weird. It's weird. It's

621
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.400
not like Lacey is a common name, right, And there's a Kathleen Peterson,

622
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:58.519
Kathleen Peterson, which it makes me
think there's something going on in the

623
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:04.800
simulation. The simulation theory. Can
you can probably tell our listeners more about

624
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.239
that if they don't know about it
all? Well, the theory is that

625
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.480
it's very possible, perhaps even likely, that we are living in a simulation.

626
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.559
Likely, yeah, because if you
I'm not going to do a great

627
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.119
job of explaining this. But if
you lived in a society that had really

628
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.159
powerful abilities to create a simulation of
a of the universe, you would do

629
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:28.159
it eventually. And so if you
created a simulation, you would probably create

630
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.360
lots of different simulations. And so
the odds are pretty good that we're in

631
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:36.760
one of those. The odds are
good. Okay, you're going to have

632
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.199
to give me some data to bake
that maybe we could do it. We're

633
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:44.880
gonna have to bring a physicist on
to explain it a little better. Well,

634
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:45.920
I think about this book a lot, But there's a book called The

635
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.920
Midnight Library, And is that kind
of the same theory. There's kind of

636
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:55.519
like different versions of our life in
different parallel universe type of thing. Yeah,

637
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.320
OKAYO as a rabbit hole, we
should probably go further down. It

638
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:07.840
absolutely not. Drew now had six
children, but his oldest two were like

639
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.119
much older and were grown. And
I should mention too that Drew's two oldest

640
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.840
sons are both older than Stacy.
Ask that. Yeah. After Kathleen's death,

641
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.960
Thomas and Christopher moved in with Stacy
Andrew, and she legally adopted them.

642
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.360
She considered them all her children,
and it sounds like she was fabulous

643
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:29.599
with the kids and loved them dearly
and was a fabulous mom. Family was

644
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.920
very important to her and she worked
hard to keep them all together. Stacy

645
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:37.320
even helped me and Drew's relationship with
his extended family. Stacy Andrew's neighbor,

646
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:42.719
Sharon Bakowski said, quote, Stacy
was your friend in five minutes and your

647
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:46.400
best friend in ten. Family and
relationships were so important to her. End

648
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:52.039
quote. Stacy and Sharon became extremely
close despite a twenty five year age gap.

649
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.800
She told Sharon, quote, if
I'm missing, it's not an accident.

650
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.320
He killed me. She would say
that to me all the time,

651
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.239
many, many, many times.
End quote. Does that sound familiar.

652
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.559
It sounds extremely familiar. Yeah,
I mean Kathleen said it to her sister.

653
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:15.440
After Lacey's birth, Stacy underwent several
cosmetic procedures laci eye surgery, braces,

654
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.039
a breast augmentation, liposection, a
tummy tuck, and laser hair removal.

655
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.079
So Stacy's like twenty two, and
why does she need all these procedures?

656
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:28.760
She was beautiful and I'm sure you
know she bounced back from her pregnancy.

657
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.000
Is just fine. It's just bothers
me that she went through all that.

658
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:36.880
And it's not clear if she wanted
the procedures or Drew wanted her to

659
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:39.440
have the procedures, but Drew was
happy to pay for them, although he

660
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:45.559
was angry when the plastic surgeon refused
to insert double the implants in one hundred

661
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:52.559
pounds. Stacy doctor argued that her
body could not support such large breasts,

662
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.719
and then Stacy just she was trying
really hard to portray this image as a

663
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.119
mom, and she stuck dressing in
her cut off shorts, in her you

664
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.199
know, crop tops, and started
dressing more like a mom. I'm sure

665
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:08.800
Drew was not a fan of that. After Stacy's cosmetic procedures, Drew became

666
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:15.639
obsessed with controlling her and frequently followed
her around town and would show up randomly

667
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.480
wherever she was, which is horrible. I think oftentimes he was in his

668
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.960
patrol car dressed in his uniform and
he would you know, just pop up,

669
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:30.880
just stimidating. Yeah. Yeah.
About a year before Stacy's disappearance,

670
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.880
in September two thousand and six,
her half sister, Tina Ryan, aged

671
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.920
thirty one, died from colon cancer. Tina and Stacy were very close,

672
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:43.760
and she was devastated by the loss
of her sister. She became depressed and

673
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.320
was described antidepressants, and Drew saw
this as a sign of weakness. He

674
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.639
didn't understand why Stacy was bereft and
quickly lost patience with her grieving. Stacy

675
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:58.119
had suffered from postpartum depression as well
after the birth of her children, and

676
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:02.280
then too, Drew just lacked and
would call her hormonal and crazy. And

677
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:07.679
it's one of those guys that think
women on their period are irrational and any

678
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:13.519
possible emotion was because she was having
her period. Yeah, Drew grew increasingly

679
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:19.519
jealous. Stacy stapped marital counseling with
Reverend Neil Shory. Sometimes they met him

680
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.400
as a couple, and sometimes Drew
went and sometimes Stacy went independently of each

681
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:28.719
other. Reverend Shory said one day
that Stacy called him and asked to meet

682
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.920
him at the Starbucks. There was
something she needed to get off her chest,

683
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:35.199
and it happened to be the last
time he ever saw her. About

684
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.920
two months before she disappeared, Stacy
confided a dark secret to him that had

685
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:44.519
been weighing heavily on her. She
at first just told me more things about

686
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.119
her life and her marriage, how
hard it was, the jealousy. And

687
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.280
then she looked at me, and
I just had this sense that she was

688
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.880
about to say something profound. I
said, whatever you want to tell me,

689
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:59.039
you're free to do it. And
she sort of stared at me and

690
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:05.599
she said he did it. I
said he did what? And she said,

691
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:10.679
Drew killed Kathleen Saviot, Drew killed
his third wife. What did you

692
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:14.239
say to her at that point?
I believe one of the first things I

693
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.360
said to her was, what do
you want me to do with this information?

694
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:21.719
And she said, I don't want
you to do anything. I just

695
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:27.880
want you to know. Revn Shory
said he couldn't divulge everything Stacey had told

696
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.440
him, but he was confident with
all the information that he had that True

697
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.679
had killed Kathleen. I have some
issues with Reverend Schory. First of all,

698
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:39.039
he's young, and he's good looking, and I don't think anything was

699
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:44.000
going on between them, but well
Truth thought there was, which he's not

700
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:50.719
a reliable source. But I watched
at least six different documentaries or you know,

701
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.480
just different segments on TV shows,
and he was in all of them,

702
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.440
it seemed, and that always is
a little suspicious to me when someone

703
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.800
he does have some good information,
but he said, you know, what

704
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.840
do you want me to do with
this information? Well, well, Reverend,

705
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.880
if if Drew killed his other wife, shouldn't you tell Stacy leave right?

706
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:14.320
I don't think he was a licensed
therapist, but but still I think

707
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.440
that he could have protected Sugar.
Yeah. And the fact that he wanted

708
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:21.480
to tell everyone his story, well, but he does say like, oh,

709
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:23.280
I want everyone to know this story, and that's why he, you

710
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:28.880
know, tells so many people.
Yeah. Stacy's sister Cassandra told Crime Watch

711
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.800
Daily that she was planning to file
divorce just days before she disappeared. Stacy's

712
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:37.679
aunt Candy, her good friend and
neighbor Sharon Bakowski, and Reverend Neil all

713
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.920
corroborated that Stacy had confided in them
as well that she was going to enter

714
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.239
her marriage. Furthermore, an attorney
named Harry Smith said Stacy had called him

715
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.760
in the days before she disappeared,
seeking his counsel as well. On the

716
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.960
night before Kathleen's body was found,
Stacy woke up in the middle of the

717
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.639
night and noticed that Drew was not
in bed. She went downstairs. As

718
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.800
he entered the house wearing all black, he put some strangely put some women's

719
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.360
clothing in the washer, and she
really didn't question about it, and he

720
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:13.920
went to bed and they never spoke
of it. Stacy began taking nursing classes

721
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.440
at the local community college and the
fall of her disappearance and she was planning

722
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:22.800
for a fresh start without Drew.
That's really sad, and she must have

723
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.599
been so terrified. I mean,
if you were married to someone and you

724
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:31.800
knew in your heart that that person
had killed his previous wife, that's just

725
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:37.000
such a scary situation, especially when
he's a cop and you know that he

726
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.159
can get away with things, and
that would be really terrifying. Well,

727
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.000
Stacy was so young and impressionable.
I'm sure that when they first started dating,

728
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:49.679
through was like, oh, Kathleen, it's horrible, you would believe

729
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:55.360
this woman. And then Drew manipulated
this situation, put Kathleen in these situations

730
00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.960
where she was so emotional and made
her look a little crazy, like by

731
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.159
stealing her camera and just you know, all the aggression microaggressions and some were

732
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:12.880
not mi you know, bigger aggressions. Yeah, my point is that Stacey

733
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.400
thought that Kathleen was crazy, but
then years into their marriage, she realized,

734
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:21.440
oh, there's nothing special about me. I'm I'm going to be Kathleen

735
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.679
too. She was trying to get
out of the marriage, but she,

736
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:30.480
you know, she didn't do it
fast enough. We put the cart before

737
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.519
the horse a little bit, and
we haven't talked about Stacy's disappearance, but

738
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:36.880
I think we're going to have to
get to that next time. Oh not

739
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.760
until part two, huh, Not
until part two, okay, but we'll

740
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:46.639
definitely finish tomorrow and then we will
be done with Peterson's forever. I'm tired

741
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:52.119
of the Petersons, me too.
All right, before we leave, do

742
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:53.800
you want to talk about the show
we watched on Netflix last night? Real

743
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:57.599
quick? Yeah, Well, we
just started watching it, so we only

744
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.559
watched one episode, which was very
like I really I wanted to binge the

745
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:01.400
whole thing, but I was like, Oh, I have this case to

746
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:06.519
finish. It's called American Nightmare.
It's I think it's gotten a lot of

747
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.880
attention. I've heard about it a
few places, so you may have already

748
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:14.000
seen it. If you have,
don't tell us anything. The story is

749
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.599
just a crazy, crazy story.
It's bananas and I just don't know where

750
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.840
it's going to go, but I
am looking forward to and if you haven't

751
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:22.280
watched it, you might want to
give it a try. It's called American

752
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:28.920
Nightmare and it's on Netflix. Netflix. Who charges way too much these days?

753
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:32.440
Oh, some criticism. It's so
expensive, it's ridiculous, and we

754
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:37.679
threaten every month to stop it,
but we have not stopped. Yeah,

755
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.320
well, we got to finish this
first. Well that's how they get you.

756
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:44.079
Yeah, but it is fun when
we have like a collective documentary that

757
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.840
we're all watching at the same time
and experiencing, because you know, we

758
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:51.760
don't have that any as much with
I guess there's sports and some reality TV.

759
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:53.559
Yeah, yeah, not like the
old days like who Shot Jr?

760
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:58.079
Wished myself a little bit there,
But I was a child. I was

761
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.840
a child, yeah, like three
years old, probably probably younger than I

762
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.920
was, probably my mother's phoon.
I was probably a twinkle in my dad's

763
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:07.000
eye, as they say. All. I think that's all we have.

764
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:13.199
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