The many wives of Drew Peterson - Part 2

WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.000
Hi. I'm Tina and I'm Rich. And if there's one thing we've learned

2
00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:06.040
in over twenty years of marriage,
it's that some days you'll feel like killing

3
00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:10.720
your wife and some days you'll feel
like killing your husband. Welcome to love,

4
00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:29.320
Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey
Tina. How are you? I'm

5
00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.079
doing all right? How are you? You know? You you the on

6
00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:34.920
the intro, you sounded a little
low energy. Yeah, I'm feeling a

7
00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:38.759
little low energy. Yeah. Well
we're recording. We did something we've never

8
00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:43.039
done before. It's Monday. We
recorded part one or yeah, part one

9
00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.759
of Drew Peterson yesterday. Normally we
just do them both in the same day,

10
00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:49.320
but we had to break. Why
did we have to break? We

11
00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:53.119
had to break because of football,
because of all And how did that turn

12
00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:58.079
out for you? It turned out
really well. Yeah, you are quite

13
00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:03.119
happy. I am quite happy.
But many people message us on social media

14
00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:07.959
and say Teleridge, congratulations, I'm
reading for the lions and just lovely you

15
00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.239
peep, just lovely, lovely people, very lovely. It's very nice to

16
00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.000
hear. I feel especially good though, because you asked me for a score

17
00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.719
prediction and I said thirty one to
twenty seven, and it was pretty close

18
00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:23.920
to bring that up. Yeah,
do you want to tell the listeners what

19
00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.840
happened after the second game, the
Kansas City game and the Buffalo Build game.

20
00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:33.439
What happened there when you were laughing
at the Buffalo poor Buffalo Bills.

21
00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:40.879
It was so mean because the Buffalo
people like they I had a lapse.

22
00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:45.359
Well, was in this the third
year in the road that Kansas City beat

23
00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:47.439
them in a playoff game? Oh? I don't know. I think I

24
00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:49.599
heard that online today. So people
were like, genuinely, you know,

25
00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.439
just like I was wrong to make
fun of the fan who was crying.

26
00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.319
I admit it. I was wrong. You need to be careful, sir,

27
00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:01.319
I do. I am pretty Are
you sure there will be tears flowing

28
00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:05.959
if the Detroit Lions lose next week? I don't think it'll be too upset

29
00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:07.920
if they lose in the Super Bowl. I think he'll just be happy if

30
00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.120
they get Yeah. Well, here's
the thing. Before the season even started,

31
00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:14.919
I made a bold prediction on our
podcast. I'm going to go back

32
00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:19.199
and find it right now and insert
it into the episode. Yes, okay,

33
00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:25.120
okay, So what do you think
is going to happen for the Lions

34
00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.039
this season? I would like you
to be able to I think they are

35
00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:30.919
going to make the playoffs. I
really, I really feel confident that they

36
00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.439
are going to make the playoffs.
Whether they go far in the playoffs,

37
00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.039
who knows. I believe you have
said, I've said that around the dinner

38
00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:43.000
table that they could go to the
super Bowl. I think it's I think

39
00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:47.360
it's possible. Yeah, you must
say very of course it's possible. I

40
00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.719
mean, they play in the NFL, anyone could go to the super Bowl.

41
00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:53.240
If I okay, if I,
if you're going to pin me down

42
00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.599
to make a prediction that we can
go back and look at later. My

43
00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.439
prediction will be that they will make
it to the NFC championship game, and

44
00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:05.400
they will lose the NFC championship games, so they won't go to the super

45
00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:12.479
Bowl, but they'll get close.
And at the time I made that prediction,

46
00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.080
I would have been super super happy
if it came true, and now

47
00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:21.360
I'm gonna be kind of sad if
it comes true. Of course. Yeah,

48
00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.240
but we'll see. She is now
a football podcast. All right,

49
00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.120
let's move on. All right.
I did bring a snack, and our

50
00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.120
lovely daughter made this snack, so
I can take no credit for it.

51
00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.639
But they are just the cutest little
cookies that you've ever seen. There,

52
00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:39.080
do you want to say it?
Macarone? So I had a friend belittle

53
00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:44.080
me because I said macaroon once.
So now whenever I have to say macarone,

54
00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:49.159
I get an intense amount of anxiety
because obviously I am an uncouth,

55
00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:54.439
unrefined woman who cannot speak French at
all. So those are macarons. I

56
00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:59.759
am no longer really friends with that
person who belittled me. She belittled me

57
00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.560
a lot of show. Oh yeah, do you want to I know if

58
00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:08.879
we have tried the raspberry vanilla by
the way, and they're just they're so

59
00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.680
cute. They're a little tiny,
they're almost bite sized. Yeah yeah,

60
00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.639
but we've already tasted them. But
do you want to taste a make?

61
00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:26.720
I do, okay that they're so
good they I think it took her about

62
00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.680
four hours to make them yesterday.
As you know, I like to bake,

63
00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.319
but I am not a fancy baker. Where our daughter is. She's

64
00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:36.279
kind of a fancy baker, and
she's just a more artistic person. She

65
00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:40.600
has the patience and the skills where
I'm just kind of, you know,

66
00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.639
like to slap slap the dough on
the cookies sheet and bacon. But she

67
00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.519
is more of an artist than I
am. So yeah, they're delicious.

68
00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.399
We'll post the recipe. Yeah,
they're really good. And usually I don't

69
00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:54.519
like fruity desserts, as you know, but this is just like the raspberry.

70
00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.879
It's just so refreshing and there's like
just a tiny bit of raspberry jam

71
00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:02.000
on it. Okay, on to
Drew Peterson. This is our official last

72
00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:06.759
Peterson podcast ever, maybe not ever, probably not ever. Maybe, I

73
00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:13.199
mean there are other bad Peterson's,
but uh, should we summarize a little

74
00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.920
bit? Do you remember where we
left off? I really actually don't remember

75
00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:21.240
where we left off, but I
do remember that Drew Peterson is a horrible,

76
00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:27.680
horrible man who got married several times, usually or always to younger women.

77
00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:30.959
And his yeah started out with like, you know, a three year

78
00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.519
gap on, then a five year
gap on, the ten year gap,

79
00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:38.839
yeah, Kathleen, thirty year gap. Kathleen was his second wife, third

80
00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.720
one. Kathleen was his third wife. Stacy was his fourth wife. Okay,

81
00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:47.519
and Kathleen was found dead in a
bathtub and they were separated. At

82
00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:53.120
the time he was with this seventeen
year old girl or seventeen when they met

83
00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:59.120
Stacy, and they were Kathleen and
Drew were going through a divorce and it

84
00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.680
was pretty ugly and they were he
was going to lose a lot of money

85
00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.199
in the divorce. Yeah, And
she was found dead, but it was

86
00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:11.720
ruled an accident, an accident,
but Drew worked for the police department and

87
00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:16.160
had a lot of connections there in
law enforcement, So the fact that her

88
00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.279
death was ruled in an accident was
a little bit questionable even at the time.

89
00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:24.959
We didn't talk about this during the
first episode. But for a police

90
00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:28.800
officer, I think financially, Drew
he was doing pretty well for him.

91
00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:30.279
He had a lot of side hustles
and a lot of side hustles, and

92
00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:33.480
he owned I know he owned the
bar, and I think he owned a

93
00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:38.839
couple of other businesses. I'm not
sure exactly which ones he owned. But

94
00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.439
I don't think he needed to be
a police officer necessarily, And I think

95
00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.680
he just liked the power. He
liked the power that that job gave him.

96
00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.639
Yeah. On Sunday, October twenty
eighth, the last day Stacey was

97
00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:53.480
seen or heard from, she was
supposed to meet her sister Cassandra and her

98
00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:58.079
friend Bruce to paint the house they'd
rented for her brother, Yelton. He

99
00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:00.600
had been in and out of jail
for years, and he was given house

100
00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:05.199
arrest for his most recent sentence.
Stacy and Cassandra had rented a house for

101
00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:10.000
him and painted it to make it
homey, but he had quickly broken the

102
00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:14.120
terms of his house arrest and was
shipped back to prison. The rental needed

103
00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.399
to be painted back to its original
neutral colors. Bruce talked to Stacey at

104
00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:21.800
ten thirty that morning and she said
she was on her way. Cassandra tried

105
00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:28.079
to reach her unsuccessfully the rest of
the day, and Cassandra said she always

106
00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.920
answers the phone when I call it. So Cassandra was worried right away.

107
00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:35.839
She knew something was something was off. Drew left the kids with his neighbor,

108
00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:42.759
Sharon. Remember Sharon, Sharon Bachowski
Bikowski h vaguely. She was the

109
00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.279
next door neighbor. She was twenty
five years older than Stacy, but they

110
00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.639
were like best friends, okay,
and she spent a lot of time with

111
00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.240
the kids. She was like,
you know, an aunt to the kids,

112
00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.839
and she's she kept them all the
time, so the kids were with

113
00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:01.279
Sharon for several hours. Drew told
her that he had arans to run later

114
00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.600
in the day. Tom Morphy,
stepbrother of Drew Peterson, groggily answered the

115
00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.480
phone on the night of October twenty
eight, two thousand and seven. Tom

116
00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.639
was a nice guy, but he
struggled with bipolar disorder, alcoholism, and

117
00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.680
drug addiction. Drew helped him out
by letting him work at SuDS Pub,

118
00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.839
but he was known to drink on
the job and sometimes pass out. Tom

119
00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.360
had fallen asleep watching the Bears game. Who were the Bears playing? The

120
00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:31.600
Bears were playing the Lions? Oh? Who loved? I believe the Bears

121
00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:35.240
might have lost that day. By
the way, listeners, everyone's always saying,

122
00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:39.240
oh, tell Rich you know congregate. No one ever gives me empathy

123
00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.000
about the Bears. Maybe people.
I don't talk about it, but I'm

124
00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.600
a Bears fan. I am not
a Lions. Yeah, I'm happy for

125
00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:48.639
you and the Lions, but I
am I am definitely a Chicago Bear fan.

126
00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.559
Drew asked Tom to meet him at
the Starbucks and Bowling Brook at seven

127
00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:56.159
pm. Drew was scheduled to work
the night shift, but he had called

128
00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.879
in sick. When Drew arrived at
Starbucks, they made small talk for a

129
00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.440
few minutes before Drew made an odd
request. He handed Tom his cell phone

130
00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.039
and asked him to keep it with
him at the Starbucks and not answer it

131
00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:13.519
no matter what. Drew left.
About thirty minutes later, the phone screen

132
00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.639
lit up with an incoming call.
The caller ID identified the number as Stacy's.

133
00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.840
Tom did not answer it. Drew
reappeared thirty minutes later at the Starbucks.

134
00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.399
He thanked Tom, and the two
men parted ways. A couple of

135
00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.600
hours later, Drew called again and
asked Tom to come to his house to

136
00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:35.000
help him move something. When Tom
arrived, Drew took him into the primary

137
00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.720
bedroom, where a large, blue, sealed fifty five gallon barrel sat in

138
00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.919
the middle of the room. That's
not odd at all is in the bedroom.

139
00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.360
Tom later recalled. It was warm
to the touch and weighed about one

140
00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.600
hundred and twenty pounds. Stacey weighs
about one hundred pounds, and the barrel

141
00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:58.759
you know, probably yeah, Drew
told Tom it was chlorine, But wouldn't

142
00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.679
it has been like slashing, yeah, exactly. They carried the blue barrel

143
00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:07.159
outside to Drew's gmc denali and hoisted
it inside the vehicle. Drew told Tom

144
00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.639
he needed to go deliver the chlorine
to a man he was selling it to.

145
00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:15.120
Like, come on, and if
it was chlorine, why would you

146
00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.200
have a barrel of chlorine in your
bedroom? In your bedroom, why would

147
00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.799
you It's just ridiculous. And he
didn't mention any smells. And I mean,

148
00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.200
obviously you wouldn't have a barrel of
chlorine in your bedroom, but if

149
00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.399
you did, it would smell.
And anyway, it's just Drew told Tom

150
00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.919
that Stacy was out with her sister
and the children were sleeping. Drew handed

151
00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.639
Tom a lot of bills and sped
off. Tom returned home and tried to

152
00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.639
process what had just happened. After
several drinks and a handful of pills,

153
00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.919
he walked to his good friend and
neighbor Walter martin Nick's house. When Walter

154
00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.399
answered the door, Tom said,
I think I just helped Drew move Stacy's

155
00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.879
body. Walter said he was distraught
and racked with guilt. He tried to

156
00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.320
give him the money that Drew had
given him. The next day, Tom

157
00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.039
awoke in the hospital. He had
nearly died from an overdose oh wow,

158
00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:05.799
and this was so Stacy hadn't even
been reported missing at this point, so

159
00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:11.840
he just he knew what was going
on, even though she hadn't disappeared yet.

160
00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:15.840
Yeah, I mean, he just
he had a feeling. Yeah.

161
00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:20.279
Here's Drew's account of what happened on
October twenty eighth. He said he worked

162
00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.360
the late shift on October twenty eighth, and when he returned in the early

163
00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.240
hour mornings, he said he briefly
talked to Stacy before she left for the

164
00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:31.519
day. The kids woke him up
around ten am and Stacy was already gone.

165
00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:33.799
Drew was scheduled to work that evening, but he called in sick.

166
00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:37.039
He said he had plenty of sick
days and he'd lose them if he didn't

167
00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.159
take them. He claimed Stacy called
him that night at nine pm and told

168
00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:46.039
him she was leaving him for another
man. Drew went to look for Stacy

169
00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.639
and he didn't find her, but
he found her car at Clow Airport,

170
00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:54.600
which is a small airport about a
mile from their house. And he walked

171
00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.440
there for some reason and he found
Stacy's car and then he drove it back.

172
00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.759
Okay, so he just knew her
car was going to be at the

173
00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.720
airport, so he's like, I'll
just walk there. But okay, this

174
00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.720
is not adding up. No,
Drew said that Stacy, like her mother,

175
00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.759
abandoned her children and she'd run off
with another man. He claimed that

176
00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.399
Stacy had been seeing as many as
five other men and she ran off with

177
00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.440
one of them to the Bahamas or
Jamaica, along with twenty five thousand dollars

178
00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.399
in cash, her passport, the
title to the car's house, and a

179
00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.159
bikini. So you know, Stacy, what do you think about that?

180
00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.360
I think it's a bunch of boloney. Obviously, there is no evidence to

181
00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.519
support Drew's claim. Stacy's friends and
family knew that she would never abandon her

182
00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:43.480
children as her mother had abandoned her. Investigators did recover text messages on Stacy's

183
00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:48.360
phone from another man, Scott rosetto
thirty five, a nurse whose twin brother

184
00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:54.159
had briefly dated Stacy Earl's years earlier, when she was a minor. I

185
00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.440
need to add, so he's thirty
five. Stacy at this time is twenty

186
00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.720
three, so there's a twelve difference. So she would have been really young

187
00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:07.399
then too. So it just is
disturbing to me. That so many men

188
00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.799
think it's okay to date a minor. He said Stacy texted out of the

189
00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.320
blue about three weeks before she vanished. Rosetto said that he and Stacy were

190
00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.399
just friends, and she confided in
him that she was unhappy in her marriage

191
00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.639
and was planning to divorce Drew.
The text messages, however, were more

192
00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.600
than friendly. They were flirty and
promiscuous. Scott thanked Stacy for their quote

193
00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:35.399
physical activity in one text. The
last text from Stacy's phone were sent to

194
00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.600
Scott Rosetto on the morning of October
twenty eighth, So you can probably put

195
00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.799
two and two together what might have
happened here. Drew might have seen this.

196
00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.879
But they were Stacy and Drew were
they remind me, I know we

197
00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.600
talked about it last time, But
were they headed toward divorce? Like,

198
00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.799
were they already? I don't know
if Drew knew that she was planning on

199
00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.200
divorcing him. We don't know what
his state of mind is, And I

200
00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.960
mean, he definitely did not want
a divorce. But remember Stacy had told,

201
00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.440
you know, her sister and the
reverend that she was talking. She

202
00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.279
had you know, she had told
multiple people that she was seeking a divorce.

203
00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:11.360
So it's possible that he just found
out about it that day, Yeah,

204
00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.320
Stacian's well, it's possible too that
you know, Stacy knew that she

205
00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.000
had to have a plan in place. You know a lot of women have

206
00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.200
to have like a very they have
to have the money sake, and like

207
00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.799
she was going back to school,
and they can't just leave. Knowing Drew,

208
00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.399
if he had found out that she
was making a plan to leave,

209
00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.320
he would have flipped out right.
He would have either made her life miserable

210
00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.080
or he would have been viable.
He would have done everything to stop her.

211
00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.120
And yeah, yeah, Stacy and
Scott met at Denny's about a week

212
00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.840
before she disappeared. Do you think
they had moons over my Hammi? Drew

213
00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.720
showed up dressed in uniform, driving
his squad car in an attempt to intimidate

214
00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:52.360
Rosetto. He entered the restaurant and
sat at the table with Scott and Stacy.

215
00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.080
Scott said, quote, he asked
me how I'd feel if my wife

216
00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.720
went off with another guy. He
just kept staring at her. He sat

217
00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:03.399
with a for a good fifteen to
twenty minutes. End quote. He asked

218
00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:09.879
Scott for his id jew stared at
it for a few minutes and handed it

219
00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.799
back to him. So Drew did
know about Stacy and Scott, or at

220
00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.919
least saw them together one time,
but maybe he didn't know that they were

221
00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.240
Well. Remember Drew followed Stacy everywhere. Yeah, not everywhere, but you

222
00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.879
know a lot of the times.
He had to know where she was all

223
00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.399
the time. And Stacy was adamant
that they were just friends to Drew,

224
00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.320
and I mean Scott said they were
just friends too, but it seemed like

225
00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.799
they were more than friends. Yeah, but I don't think Drew had any

226
00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.840
inkling that Stacy wanted a divorce.
Okay. Police would later search near Scott's

227
00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.399
home in Shorewood, Illinois for Stacy. They didn't think Scott had anything to

228
00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:48.279
do with Stacy's disappearance, but they
thought that Drew may have wanted it to

229
00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:54.360
look that way, and Stacy's phone
had pinged near his house. When questioned

230
00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.519
later by police, Rosetta was adamant
that their relationship was platonic, but police

231
00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.519
didn't believe him due to this section
nature of the text messages they'd intercepted.

232
00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:07.279
Cassandra Kale's Stacy's younger sister, called
Drew at eleven pm on October twenty eighth.

233
00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.279
He answered and said he was home. Cassandra knew who was lying because

234
00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.879
she'd just driven by the house and
hadn't seen his truck when she knocked on

235
00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.399
the door. One of her nephews
answered the door and told her that his

236
00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.039
parents had had a big fight that
morning and he didn't know where they were.

237
00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.360
It's poor kids. They've been through
it. They've been through a lot,

238
00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:32.720
and it's just really sad. Cassandra
went to the Illinois State Police to

239
00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:37.159
report Stacy missing. Hundreds of people
came out to search for Stacy in the

240
00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:41.720
weeks and months to follow. No
trace of her was ever found. Police

241
00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.120
later examined Drew's phone records and found
his phone had pinged in Romeoville near the

242
00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:51.480
Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal. The
Sanitary and Ship Canal is a twenty eight

243
00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:56.240
mile stretch from Chicago to Lockport,
Illinois, that connects the Chicago River to

244
00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.200
the des Plains River. It was
built to curtail waste walk from entering and

245
00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.200
polluting Lake Michigan. It took eight
years to be built. It opened in

246
00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:11.720
nineteen hundred. Engineers devised a way
to dilute Chicago's sewage using water from Lake

247
00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.000
Michigan and then send it down the
canal. Before the construction of the canal,

248
00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:22.000
wastewaters entered Lake Michigan, which was
problematic because Chicago's drinking water was drawn

249
00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.559
from the lake, causing typhoid dysentery
and cholera. In nineteen fifty five,

250
00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:32.240
the American Society of Civil Engineers deemed
the canal one of the seven Wonders of

251
00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:37.079
American Engineering. The Chicago Sanitary and
Ship Canal is significant as a component of

252
00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:44.200
the Illinois Waterway, which opened in
nineteen thirty and created a navigable waterway connecting

253
00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:49.119
Chicago and Lake Michigan with the Mississippi
River and beyond. Eventually, the canal

254
00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.440
opened up shipping routes from the Great
Lakes to the rest of the world.

255
00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.880
It is interesting, I love these
little rabbit holes. All of this to

256
00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.440
say that the Sanitary Ship Canal is
murky wide and as deep as twenty four

257
00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:10.119
feet in some spots, it was
very difficult to search. Law enforcement searched

258
00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:15.279
the canals for Stacy's body using equipment
with the latest technology. The water in

259
00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:19.440
the canal was lowered as many as
twenty five to thirty submerged stolen vehicles were

260
00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:23.599
removed from the water to search more
thoroughly for Stacy, but she wasn't found

261
00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:30.400
after weeks of looking in frigid temperatures
and adverse weather conditions. Drew knew the

262
00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.160
rules of the game all too well. He knew if Stacy's body was not

263
00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.880
found, it would be much harder
to prosecute him for her murder, and

264
00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:41.680
he knew the canal was the perfect
place to dispose of a body. On

265
00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:47.319
Halloween, the Illinois State Police served
and executed a search warrant at Drew in

266
00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:52.160
Stacey's home and vehicles. Eleven guns, computers, and other miscellaneous items were

267
00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.880
taken. Cadaver dogs were brought in
and they alerted in the primary bedroom.

268
00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.359
However, that was later disputed.
On November ninth, the State Police called

269
00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.799
Stacy's disappearance a potential homicide and named
Drew as a suspect, but no charges

270
00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:15.000
were filed. No body murder cases
in Illinois are difficult to prosecute. The

271
00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.559
bowling Brook Police were suspicious of Drew
Peterson from the start. His career with

272
00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:23.599
the police force was long but checkered. He had been under investigation several times

273
00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:29.599
during his career. He found himself
under investigation again for an undisclosed reason in

274
00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:33.759
November. It had something to do
with stacy. He retired from the Bowlingbrook

275
00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.960
Police Department on November twenty one,
two thousand and seven, after nearly thirty

276
00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:44.599
years on the force. His retirement
ended the internal affairs investigation and saved his

277
00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.759
six thousand dollars a month pension.
He was scheduled to meet with internal affairs

278
00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:53.799
the next day. Some in the
department were incredulous that he hadn't been fired,

279
00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:59.400
including Police Chief Ray mcgury, who
blamed Drew for bringing shame to the

280
00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.799
bowling Brook Police Department and he wanted
to see him fired. Quote. I

281
00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.480
still don't think it was a valid
retirement. I'm not an attorney, and

282
00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.920
there's absolutely well, there's no doubt
he circumvented the system so that he didn't

283
00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.680
have to stand, you know,
and be charged with some things. Unquote.

284
00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:21.839
Chief mcgurry, by the way,
requested an investigation into his department by

285
00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:26.880
the FBI. He wanted to make
sure that Drew Peterson didn't receive any preferential

286
00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:32.359
treatment. After the death of Kathleen
Saviot, it's admirable of Chief mcgury to

287
00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:36.319
bring the FBI in. I think, oh absolutely. Can you believe Drew

288
00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.359
didn't get fired though, that they
let him keep his pension? I mean,

289
00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.880
you hear that. It seems to
happen a lot, you know,

290
00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:47.359
I don't know. It's like they're
afraid to fire somebody. They said legally,

291
00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:49.839
they knew that they would lose,
so that's why they didn't try to

292
00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.599
keep it from him. Yeah,
the FBI was brought in to help with

293
00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:59.279
the case. An FBI profiler classified
Drew as a narcissist and said that he

294
00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:03.519
was likely capable of murder. I'm
shocked. I agree. In late November,

295
00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:08.480
a grand jury convened to consider charging
Drew. They were given four months,

296
00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:14.200
with a likely extension of six months. The grand jury was also working

297
00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:17.839
on the case of Lisa Stebeck,
a thirty eight year old mother of two

298
00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.640
who went missing on April thirtieth,
two thousand and seven, from Plainfield,

299
00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:26.279
Illinois. The cases are eerily similar, and maybe we'll cover Lisa's case in

300
00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:32.480
an upcoming podcast. During this time, I'll talk about the book that I

301
00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:36.759
read later, But the journalist was
Joe Hoosey. I think his name is,

302
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.319
and he listed like there were about
ten women that went missing from this

303
00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.839
area during it was like a two
to three year period. It's really crazy.

304
00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:51.599
Wow. On Christmas Eve, twenty
four year old a new Slonky disappeared

305
00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:55.680
from Des Plains, Illinois. Her
husband said she'd gone to the river to

306
00:21:55.759 --> 00:22:00.079
place a religious statue there, and
he feared that she had drowned. The

307
00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:04.240
statue of the deity Ganesh they'd received
as a wedding gift had broken. A

308
00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:07.759
Hindu priest told them that placing it
in the water would ward off the bad

309
00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:14.200
luck a broken statue might otherwise bring
to its owners. A rigorous search ensued,

310
00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:18.720
but a news body was never found. Days later, anew was found

311
00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.920
in southern California with a man who
aided in her escape. Drew and his

312
00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.160
lawyer pointed to this incident as proof
that Stacy had also fled her marriage and

313
00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:32.759
made a ridiculous appeal to the state
attorney. Drew's attorney, Joel Brodsky said,

314
00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:37.400
quote, we're demanding that the state's
attorney come forward and state if Stacey

315
00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:41.799
comes back right now or shows herself, she will not be prosecuted or sued.

316
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:48.680
Unquote isn't that ridiculous. That's completely
ridiculous. Twelve days after Stacy disappeared,

317
00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:53.160
authorities decided to reopen Kathleen Savio's case. Her family quickly agreed to an

318
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:59.480
exhumation. They'd been begging for Kathleen's
case to be reopened for years. Her

319
00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.599
body was a zoomed on November ninth, two thousand and seven. On February

320
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.759
twenty first, two thousand and eight, the manner of Kathleen's death was changed

321
00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:14.599
from accident to homicide. The cause
of death remained drowning. Famed forensic pathologist,

322
00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:19.519
doctor Michael Baden oversaw the exhumation.
The autopsy was performed by doctor Larry

323
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:26.799
Bloom. I'm doctor Larry Bloom.
I performed an autopsy on Kathleen Sabio.

324
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.880
I believe there were of up to
sixteen areas of her body that showed injuries,

325
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:36.359
and she had bruises on both sides. All the bruises that I looked

326
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:41.119
at appeared to be very recent.
But to slip in a small garden sized

327
00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:47.039
tub in her home and come up
with all these injuries, I couldn't conceive

328
00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:52.519
of it. I found Kathleen Savio
died of drowning due to homicidal means.

329
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:57.160
An exceptional amount of bruising was found
on Kathleen's body that doctor Bloom called fresh

330
00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:03.279
bruising. The original autop had declared
them old and not acquired at the time

331
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:08.160
of Kathleen's death. The Savvo family
paid for the exhumation, but I actually

332
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.680
think that Fox News paid for it. Oh really And the second autopsy,

333
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.519
Yeah, they were given like exclusive
rights to it. And I can't remember

334
00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.559
which host it was, but one
of the hosts. It's kind of kind

335
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:23.519
of icky, but they released the
results of the autopsy on air. Interesting,

336
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:26.559
Yeah, but I mean, at
least she got the second autopsy,

337
00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.279
regardless of who paid for it.
It was. It was amazing that they

338
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:33.839
were able to do that. And
I just I can't believe there's so much

339
00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.480
information that you can still get from
a corpse that's been buried for three or

340
00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:41.720
four years. Well, especially like
the recency of the bruising. That that

341
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.720
is interesting to me that he was
able to make that determination after this much

342
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.759
time had passed. Well, and
the original pathologist had, you know,

343
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.279
just said oh, those were old
bruises. But I think there was I

344
00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:57.880
don't know if there was pressure to
declare her cause of death and accident maybe.

345
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:03.599
Yeah. With Kathleen's cause of death
now changed to homicide, all eyes

346
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.720
were on Drew Peterson, but there
was still no evidence directly tying him to

347
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.920
Kathleen's death, and now his alibi
had vanished and she could no longer vouch

348
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:15.160
for him. A miscalculation by Drew. Oh yeah, he got rid of

349
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:19.319
his alibi. Didn't even think about
that. Will County prosecutor, well,

350
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:23.599
he didn't think he was going to
get caught. Will County Prosecutor James Glasgow

351
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:29.160
told the media that he believed Kathleen's
death was a homicide staged to look like

352
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:33.079
an accident. He believed Drew had
drowned Kathleen in the toilet and then posed

353
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:37.839
her in the bathtub. Oh wow, it's just so hor Like the woman

354
00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.880
that you loved, that you married, that you know, she had your

355
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:47.880
children, and that's that's what you
do with it. Yeah, that's awful.

356
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.400
I wonder, like, I wonder
how he came to the conclusion that

357
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.880
Drew drowned her in the toilet,
Like there was a gash on the back

358
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.599
of her head, was it?
I think there was some some of the

359
00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:03.119
bruising was around her neck something from
the exhumation. I didn't talk about this,

360
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.400
but her hyoid bone had dissolved.
I think, oh yeah, they

361
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.240
said there was no evidence of a
high weid bone anymore. Yeah, so

362
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:14.720
they couldn't tell if she'd been strangled. I think the bruising around her neck

363
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.119
made them think, like, you
know, they kind of grabbed her and

364
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:18.960
pushed her head down, and it's
just so horrible. Yeah, think about

365
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.640
her way to die. I know
that he's thinking about it. We'll be

366
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:33.920
right back. It's hard to believe
in hindsight, but Drew initially hid from

367
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:38.880
the media following Stacy's disappearance. The
blinds on his house were tightly drawn and

368
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:44.599
the front door was never opened.
He avoided the cameras and declined interviews,

369
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.599
but soon, like a butterfly vacating
its cocoon, Drew emerged from his house

370
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:55.319
and became his own spokesperson. He
held court every day and seemingly loved the

371
00:26:55.359 --> 00:27:00.759
attention and egged the media on Heraldo
Rivera was the first interv you granted by

372
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:04.359
Drew. Haraldo wasn't a fan of
Drew's He called him the skunk of Bowling

373
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:10.680
Brook. That's great. A media
frenzy ensued, with all the major media

374
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.440
outlets camped out on his block waiting
to catch a glimpse of the most famous

375
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:18.920
man in Bowling Brook. Greta van
Sustern reported live outside of Drew's house in

376
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:23.400
the first days of Stacy's disappearance and
was allowed in his home to film a

377
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.279
day in the life of Drew.
He enjoyed playing mister mom in front of

378
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:32.480
the cameras. On one occasion,
Drew told Matt Lauer during one of his

379
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:36.359
three appearances on The Today Show,
quote, I'm not trying to be funny

380
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:38.799
here, but Stacy would ask me
for a divorce after her sister died on

381
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:42.640
a regular basis. I'm not trying
to be funny, and it was based

382
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:48.960
on her menstrual cycle. What the
heck? He's a great, great guy.

383
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.480
While on the Today Show, he
begged an attorney to come forward to

384
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:57.200
defend him, although he had already
hired two perfectly good attorneys. Joel Brodsky,

385
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:02.839
an attorney from Chicago, came for
and offered to defend Drew. Brodsky,

386
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.039
like Drew, never met a camera, he didn't love, and had

387
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:11.599
questionable morals. His law license had
been suspended by the Illinois Bar Association for

388
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:17.519
three months after he'd forged a deceased
client's signature on a check to pay himself.

389
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:22.640
Brodsky encouraged Drew to continue his shenanigans
with the media. In January,

390
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:29.119
Drew called into Chicago on air personality
Steve Doll's radio show, which led to

391
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:33.880
an on air contest win a date
with Drew Peterson. Drew loved the idea,

392
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.359
but the radio station management wisely shut
it down. Drew seemed to be

393
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.079
having a great time playing with the
media, and the media obliged him by

394
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:48.680
giving him endless airtime and closely following
his every move. Drew appeared on Fox

395
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.440
News with Shepherd Smith. The interview
began amiably enough, but it devolved quickly

396
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:57.839
when Smith asked him about neighbors witnessing
him carrying a blue fifty five gallon barrel

397
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:03.240
out of his house in the hour
after Stacey disappeared. I think Drew had

398
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.240
a bit of a love hate relationship
with the media. He loved the attention,

399
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:10.599
but anytime, like Shep Smith did, would ask him a hard question

400
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:15.240
like that or something you know,
pointing to evidence against him, he would

401
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:21.440
get very irritated. I vaguely remember
this period of time, and you couldn't

402
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.759
turn your TV on without seeing him
on one show or another. It's shocking

403
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:29.279
how many shows he was on.
He was on The Today Show three times.

404
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.720
He was on Larry King several times. Remember Larry King Live? Yeah,

405
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.119
oh yeah, that was a good
show. Yeah. I put together

406
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:40.680
a little montage of a few of
these clips, and looking at these brought

407
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.000
back memories to me too, because
I had forgotten all about him. But

408
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.920
when I saw these, I was
like, oh, yeah, I remember

409
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.799
him being everywhere. Now that we
would be remiss to do this episode and

410
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.880
not talk about Drew in the media, because that was such an important part

411
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.640
of the case. I think initially
I thought that people were supporting him,

412
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.640
but no, I think everyone was
like, why is this Turkey on our

413
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.359
TV? Right? Yeah, well, here are a few of those clips.

414
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.440
What's going on today? What's going
on today? Yes, we went

415
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.920
to McDonald's. We had happy meals
and mcgroub sandwiches. How's that? And

416
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.240
that's what's going on today. What
I want to talk about is I'm gonna

417
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.480
come camp myself in front of your
house and see if you like it.

418
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.359
Please go home. Thanksgivings the next
couple of days. Please go home.

419
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:30.160
Please leave me alone. Please don't
get involved in my little world. Folks,

420
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.839
this is the holiday season. I
know at least five families that are

421
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:38.000
losing their homes that are in this
area. You probably should put it maybe

422
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.799
a little bit of effort into saving
these people and their families or reaching out

423
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:47.519
to your fellow man if someone needs
a shoulder to cry on or they need

424
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.079
a meal for their families, you
guys should be maybe putting a little more

425
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:56.000
effort into doindo rather than harassing my
family. Folks, have a good day.

426
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.960
Will you ever physical with her?
Never? Never? Those stories are

427
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.519
totally untrue, correct. You know, I'm a police officer, right and

428
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.720
I don't work for the phone company
or the power company, And as a

429
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.559
police officer, we don't have the
same ability to do things as the common

430
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.599
person. If I get involved in
a domestic situation where I'm physical with a

431
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.000
wife, I'll lose my job and
I would never even care to even come

432
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:25.440
close to risking that. And I
kind of challenge anybody out there to find

433
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:29.400
anybody that has ever even seen me
mad. So you don't have a temper.

434
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.319
No, it's are you in love
with Jacy very much? So I

435
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:37.079
think you might be alive. I
do the neighbors said that they saw you

436
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.319
carrying out a big blue barrel.
That would be big again, Shepherd,

437
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.160
that's not what we agree to talk
about. I didn't. I didn't agree

438
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.680
to any any restrictions on conversation.
I would never do that. I just

439
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.559
I just wonder, Okay, well
then then I guess I got to walk

440
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.440
away. Have a good day,
mister Shepherd. It was nice talking you.

441
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.079
Well, he'll talk about the dating, guess, but he won't talk

442
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:04.279
about the fact that the neighbors that
the neighbors say they saw him with a

443
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.799
large, fifty five gallon blue barrel. I love Shepherd Smith for that.

444
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:15.000
I would never agree to restrictions.
I a good interview is a good interview.

445
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.559
Yeah. Watching those clips too,
I was just struck by how like

446
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.720
just how smug and like he had
a smirk on his face and just he

447
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:29.240
just seems so arrogant and you'd be
hard pressed to find a cockier man in

448
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:35.200
the United States. Drew took the
children to Disney World shortly after Stacy's disappearance,

449
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.960
when he returned. There was an
anonymous letter from someone claiming to have

450
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:44.559
seen Stacy on November eighteenth, two
thousand and seven. The letter writer claimed

451
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.559
Stacy was with an unidentified man and
when they approached her, she implored the

452
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.640
letter writer to leave her alone.
She said, please, don't ruin my

453
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.240
life. Please, I just want
to be left alone. Please. They

454
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.079
snapped a picture of Stacy, but
it wasn't included in the letter. The

455
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.000
letter was sent to Drew's house,
but it was addressed to Joel Peterson.

456
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.079
So Drew had driven to Disney World
and I can't remember where the letter was

457
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.519
from, but somewhere all. Yeah, it was pretty much postmarked along the

458
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:19.960
route and it was it was fairly
obvious that pretty weak attempt at giving him

459
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.839
an excuse, And it was addressed
to Joel Peterson, which is weird.

460
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:30.799
But Joel Brodsky as his attorney,
so I think he was just confused and

461
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.799
very convenient that they snapped a picture
but they didn't send it. You can't

462
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:39.319
see it, but believe me,
there's a picture. Sharon Bakowski, Stacy's

463
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:44.400
friend and neighbor, mounted a large
sign in her yard with Stacy's picture that

464
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:50.480
read Where's Stacy. She did it
to antagonize Drew. Sharon and her son

465
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.119
organized an informal boycott at local bars. If Drew walked in, the patrons

466
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:58.680
would leave him sitting by himself.
I love that too, I know.

467
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:04.200
So the public really did start to
hate him, and Sharon put this huge

468
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.559
poster on her front lawn, which
I thought was great, But then I

469
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.239
thought, well, these poor kids
are still living there. And the two

470
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:16.079
little ones, Lacey and Anthony,
they were like two and three or two

471
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:20.360
and four, so they were really
little and they were probably missing their mommy,

472
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.880
and so that made me kind of
sad. In December two thousand and

473
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:29.719
eight, Treu announced he was engaged
to a twenty four year old woman named

474
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:34.800
Christina Rains because he couldn't get any
younger than Stacy had been. Drew was

475
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.360
a friend of the Rains family and
had known Christina when she was younger.

476
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.440
They were later reacquainted at a local
bar. Christina soon moved into Drew's house.

477
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.559
She said Drew was good to her, but claims that he admitted to

478
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.519
her that he strangled Stacy, placed
her body in a blue barrel, and

479
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.719
dumped her body two and a half
hours away. Here's a clip of Christina

480
00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:02.840
being interviewed by Julie Chen. Do
you love him? I don't love him.

481
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.480
Did you love him? I thought
I did. How did you become

482
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.159
engaged to him? When did you
become engaged to him? It's never an

483
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:17.880
engagement. What was it? Then? It's more like a stunt, a

484
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.480
stunt? Yes, on whose part
Andrew? So he could be in the

485
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:28.159
media. Did you know it was
a stunt? When well? He had

486
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:32.280
told me that his lawyer had wanted
him to be in the media and wanted

487
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:39.800
to propose to someone at a restaurant. And then what happened? So he

488
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.800
said to you, we're friends,
we're dating. You wanna be part of

489
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.440
this stunt? Is that how it
went down? That's how it went down.

490
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:51.960
But I would not go with it. I would not go along with

491
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.239
it. What would you say to
him? I told him? No.

492
00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.119
He had said, well, it
comes out that I am engaged to someone.

493
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.599
It's not really true. So you
were never engaged him, Is that

494
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.719
what you're saying? No, I
was never engaged to him. Why would

495
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:14.480
any lawyer want his client in this
situation to be in the media more and

496
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.719
more and especially to be in the
media for getting engaged to a new girl

497
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:22.239
when his wife is missing. It
doesn't make any sense. Well, you

498
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.000
know what they say, No publicity
is bad publicity. I guess it took

499
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.039
more than a year for Drew Peterson
to be arrested after the exhumation of Kathleen's

500
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:32.519
body. On May eighth, two
thousand and nine, while Drew was driving,

501
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.440
he was pulled over, arrested without
incident, charged with quote two counts

502
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:43.119
of first degree murder, one with
the theory of intentional killing, the second

503
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.320
for knowingly doing an act that can
cause great bodily harm. He was held

504
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.760
on a twenty million dollar bond.
The state attorney said Kathleen's death appeared consistent

505
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:59.800
with the staging of an accident to
conceal a homicide. His arrest interfered with

506
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.639
the trip he was planning the next
day to Reno, Nevada, where he

507
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:07.159
planned to meet with HBO to appear
on cat House, a reality show about

508
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.440
one of Nevada's legal brothels. That
makes perfect sense that he would appear on

509
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:17.079
that classy fella. Drew began a
website, defendrew dot Com to solicit donations

510
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:22.280
towards his legal defense. It's unclear
how much money he received. Maybe we

511
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.400
could donate this month to him with
RP. Yes you no, I'm gonna

512
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.280
say no to that one, okay. In two thousand and eight, the

513
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.280
Illinois General Assembly passed Drew's Law.
You're gonna like this. Drew must have

514
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.920
been thrilled to have a law name
are for him. First of all,

515
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.159
Drew's Law made it legal for a
judge to admit hearsay statements if the prosecutor

516
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.880
can prove a defendant may have killed
a witness to prevent him or her from

517
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:52.400
testifying. Similar laws are used in
organized crime cases. And what does hearsay

518
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:58.239
I mean? Isn't it a statement
that like somebody made to somebody else.

519
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.880
So if I came into court and
said, oh, so and So told

520
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:06.440
me this, that would be hearsay. The official definition is a statement made

521
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:12.519
outside of judicial proceedings, and it's
considered unreliable and usually not admissible in trials.

522
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:16.440
But they made an exception good,
which is I thought was amazing.

523
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:22.840
The law made the words of Kathleen
Savio and Stacy admissible and allowed them to

524
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:29.159
testify in a way against Drew.
And Drew did have I mean, he

525
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.480
had good old Joel Brodsky, but
he had a dream team of lawyers.

526
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:37.000
He had several different people that were
working for him. In a surprising move,

527
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.920
the defense called Harry Smith, a
divorce attorney whom Stacy had contacted days

528
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.079
before her disappearance, to testify for
the defense. Here's a clip of Harry

529
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:51.199
Smith and one of Drew's defense attorneys
discussing how it went. Stacy sort of

530
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.679
casually said to me, could I
get more money in the divorce if we

531
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.039
go to the police and tell them
how Drew killed Kathy? Just said it.

532
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.800
Mister Bronski wanted to clarify the fact
that what Stacy had done was asked

533
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.760
me, could she get more money
if we told the police he killed Kathleen.

534
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.960
He did that a couple of times, and he gave me the ability

535
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.760
to keep saying no. She said, if I tell him how he did

536
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:22.119
it. And I think driving that
point home was a problem. It went

537
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:27.480
worse than I could have ever imagined. If I had been an alcoholic,

538
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.320
I would have pulled out my flask
right there in the courtroom and started drinking.

539
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:35.679
Well that's what you get when you
defend monsters. I guess. So

540
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:42.320
State's attorney Jim Glasgow called Smith's testimony
a gift from God that was a little

541
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.519
confusing. Do you understand what happened
there? I have to admit I'm a

542
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.920
little I think my brain is a
little slow today, but I am not

543
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:53.480
fully understanding what that clip meant.
Well, it's nuanced, like the words.

544
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.760
Basically, the defense thought Stacy was
trying to get more money out of

545
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.639
the divorce by saying, well,
I'll just say that Drew killed Kathleen.

546
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.719
But what she was really saying was, well, I know how Drew killed

547
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.480
Kathleen, and I am willing to
tell you. And the defense didn't realize.

548
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.119
Okay, yeah, so they were
just kind of shocked and blindsided that,

549
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.920
you know, Stacey actually did know
exactly what happened. Gotcha. Cassandra

550
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:27.599
and Reverend Shorey were among the witnesses, as was Thomas Drew and Kathleen's son,

551
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.880
and he defended his father he didn't
think he was capable of murder.

552
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:37.039
A former co worker of Drew's,
Jeff Patcher, testified that in the months

553
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.360
before Kathleen's death, Drew had offered
him to twenty five thousand dollars to kill

554
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.159
her. Drew never testified, which
I was kind of surprised by. You

555
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.800
would think he would have loved the
attention. Yet, the trial lasted three

556
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:52.719
weeks and there were forty four witnesses. On September fifth, two thousand and

557
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.840
nine, the jury began deliberations.
They deliberated for about a day and Drew

558
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:02.719
was found guilty of NaN's first agree
murder. During the sentencing hearing, Drew

559
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.760
yelled at the courtroom insisting he didn't
kill Kathleen. He said, quote,

560
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:13.159
this is the largest railroad job ever. He challenged prosecutor at Glasgow to look

561
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:20.239
him in the eyes. He was
allowed to address the courtroom. Good aggravated

562
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.159
the situation here, I thought,
I think that can need to be sad.

563
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:30.760
Say whatever you choose with no sure
that one prosecuted looking in India AFL

564
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:40.480
today and the hope he never pretty
good. You've done here be forced to

565
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:51.559
sit side out since the beginning of
all lane Well, the guy who doesn't

566
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.800
have a temper. Huh that was
kind of crazy having just helded that out

567
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:59.760
out of nowhere. Yeah. Drew
sixty one was sentenced to thirty eight years

568
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.320
in prison. The maximum sentence was
sixty years, which I'm like, Why

569
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:07.800
did you not give him the maximum
sentence and he won't be eligible for parole

570
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.000
until he is ninety three years old. That is strange. Like you said,

571
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.760
it was first degree murder he was
found guilty of him was thirty eight

572
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.840
years. Usually when you hear first
degree murder, you think like life,

573
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:22.280
but I guess that's not always the
case. While fearing an impending arrest,

574
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.840
Drew had given his oldest son,
Stephen, who worked as a police officer

575
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.880
in nearby Oakbrook, Illinois, a
check for two hundred thousand dollars. He

576
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.599
told him to keep it in case
he was arrested to help raise the children,

577
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.519
but Drew likely gave Steven that large
sum of money to bail him out

578
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:42.800
of jail. In my opinion,
Drew brought three firearms to Stephen's house for

579
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.800
him to store. When police searched
Drew in Stacy's house, they came across

580
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:51.719
ammunition but no guns. They asked
where the weapons were, and Drew told

581
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.960
him they were at Steven's house.
Police ask Stephen to come in for questioning

582
00:42:54.000 --> 00:43:00.039
and bring along the weapons. Stephen's
commanding officer pressed and turned old charges against

583
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:07.519
him, alleging he impeded the investigation
into his father. Steven denies this adamantly,

584
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.800
but he was fired anyway. Since
Drew's convictions, Stephen has struggled with

585
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:19.039
anxiety, depression, and alcohol and
drug addiction. His wife left him and

586
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.679
took their daughter. Stephen moved into
his father's former home in bowling Brook and

587
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:28.400
took care of his four younger siblings, which is pretty admirable. He has

588
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:32.320
stated that he thinks Drew likely killed
both Kathleen and Stacy. Eric Peterson,

589
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.079
Drew's second son, hates his father. He said he wasn't a good dad

590
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.760
and was abusive towards his wife's and
is certain of his guilt. In April

591
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.760
twenty twenty one, Eric was arrested
for possessing forty marijuana plants in his home.

592
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:51.519
Thomas, however, is doing great. He was a valedictorian of his

593
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.119
class at Bolingbrook High in twenty twelve. He majored in neuroscience at Penn State.

594
00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:00.159
And I don't have any updates on
the youngest two kids, but it's

595
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.559
hardably, but they're adults now too. I did see pictures on I always

596
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.440
feel like such a stalker, but
I looked at Stevens Facebook and he had

597
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:13.039
a lot of pictures of all six
kids together, which was it was pretty

598
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.039
heartwarmingly. His reason is this Christmas. I think they had pictures all together,

599
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.760
and you can't tell much by a
picture, but they all but yeah,

600
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.119
at least they're cappy and together and
that was wonderful to see. That's

601
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:28.440
a good sign. Not surprisingly,
Drew has filed multiple appeals. He has

602
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:34.920
cited ineffective council that Kathleen and Stacy's
conversations and writings to others shouldn't have been

603
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.280
admitted because they were hearsay, but
as you mentioned, that was Drew's law

604
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:44.280
right. He's blamed Hollywood, saying
that a movie starring Rob Low portrayed him

605
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:49.159
in a very negative light in the
eyes of the jury, and he's claimed

606
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:53.599
that Will County State's Attorney James Glasgow, was an over zealous and unethical prosecutor

607
00:44:53.599 --> 00:45:00.719
who intimidated witnesses. To date,
all of his appeals have failed. So

608
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.840
I'm I really wanted to see the
Rob Low movie and I couldn't find it

609
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:09.039
durn lifetime. I can't picture Rob
Low as Drew Peterson. I did watch

610
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:14.719
a two minute clip and I don't
know he didn't do a horrible job.

611
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.079
But I think it would be really
hard to play Drew Peterson. Yeah,

612
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.679
and Rob Low. I mean he's
a beautiful man, and I mean Drew

613
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:28.199
Up. Yeah, he'sicky. Drew
Peterson approached fellow inmate Antonio the Beast Smith

614
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.639
to help him use his connections to
have Will County State Attorney James Glasgow,

615
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:39.199
the attorney who had successfully prosecuted him
for Kathleen's death, murdered. Drew openly

616
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:45.960
despised Glasgow. Smith was a former
member of the gang Satan's Disciples, and

617
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:50.320
he was serving a forty year sentence
for attempted murder, home invasion and robbery.

618
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:52.000
I guess if you want to have
somebody murdered, I would go to

619
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.239
a guy named the Beast. You
can't do it. After Drew asked him

620
00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.639
for his help, Antonio Smith contacted
the state's attorney and volunteered to wear a

621
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:06.119
wire to record his conversations with Drew
Peterson. In the recordings, Drew blamed

622
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.320
Glasgow for his incarceration and the loss
of his police pension. He also claimed

623
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.119
that his son, Stephen, was
fired from his job as a police officer

624
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:19.199
because of Glasgow's actions. Drew was
charged with attempted murder. In February twenty

625
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.760
fifteen, the case went to trial
and the damning recordings from the Beast were

626
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.280
played in court. We don't have
any of those, but oh I wish

627
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:30.320
we did. I bet the beast. I mean, you imagine, if

628
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:34.880
you're a cop in prison, you
probably people probably don't like you very much

629
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.360
if they know, if they knew
he was a cop. So the Beast

630
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:42.639
this guy probably was like, oh
man, what a great opportunity to get

631
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.880
this guy. Well, I don't
know much about the Beast, but I

632
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.840
know that he and Drew. I
don't know if he did this, you

633
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.119
know, intentionally, but he befriended
him, and you know, true thought

634
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:57.159
they were best friends. They ate
their meals together and they spent their time

635
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:00.000
together in the yard. Yeah,
the Beast may have just set up.

636
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.199
Yeah. Antonio Smith testified at the
trial and he claimed that Drew told him

637
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.599
that he killed Stacy and through her
body in Lake Michigan. Wow. The

638
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.719
jury deliberated for less than an hour
and Drew has found guilty on the additional

639
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:19.440
solicitation of murder charge, and an
additional forty years was added to his prison

640
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:23.199
sentence. Good but he will be
eligible for parole when he is one hundred

641
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:30.760
and twenty seven years old. Just
picturing one hundred and twenty seven year old

642
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:37.000
Drew. H Yeah. The body
of Stacy Peterson sadly has never been found

643
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.760
and no one has ever been charged
with her murder, which is just oh

644
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.760
so horrible. Drew is looking for
wife number five, however, in prison,

645
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.039
of course he is. Yeah,
sure, I'm sure he's getting some

646
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.760
good mail. Candace Aiken, Stacy's
aunt, has corresponded with Drew over the

647
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.639
years, which I found really surprising. Hmm, that is very strange.

648
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.199
Drew's law was repeat after his conviction. Members of the jury said that here's

649
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:07.800
the evidence was what solidified Drew's guilt
for them. Without Drew's Law, he

650
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.480
may not have been convicted. Oh
that's interesting, well played. Yeah,

651
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:15.039
but can they still like if the
law was repealed, can't he go back

652
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.400
then and say, well, the
law is no longer valid, so that

653
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:23.280
shouldn't have been allowed At this point. I mean, he's in prison for

654
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:28.920
the other crime audition, so I
think he should be in prison for Stacey's

655
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:31.639
murder as well. I mean,
I hope they find her remains on day

656
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:38.920
In December twenty nineteen, Jew was
released from federal custody and transferred to a

657
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:44.559
state facility outside of Illinois. His
location is not being disclosed for safety reasons.

658
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.719
Drew's lawyer, Joel Brodsky, had
his law license suspended in twenty nineteen

659
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:55.000
for two years for quote a pattern
and practice of unprofessional behavior, including false

660
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:01.079
allegations and inappropriate hiatribes and pleadings appropriate
dietrone. It's so cold in here,

661
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:07.039
I'm shivering, so I'm having a
right time talking. Joel Brodsky talked to

662
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.000
WGN News in twenty twenty two.
And this is going to make you really

663
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:14.280
mad. Look at me, don't
look at the screen. Maybe it's time.

664
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.880
It's something that weighs on my conscience. I would never do anything that

665
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:21.000
would hurt or former a client.
But he's in prison and he's never getting

666
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.360
out. So if he's a man
and he'd say, quote, I'm done,

667
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:28.039
here's what happened end quote, so
people can have closure. I know

668
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.719
everything about both of his wives everything. I feel bad, and Drew is

669
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:37.440
still not taking any responsibility, and
Stacy's still being missing. I'm thinking about

670
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:43.280
maybe revealing what happened to Stacy.
And where she is end quote. Wow,

671
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:49.760
so he knows hmm. I mean, it's an interesting it's really weird

672
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.960
that he would even say that that
much. But it is like, you

673
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.840
know, attorney client privilege. He
can't really say anything. He shouldn't have

674
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.519
said that. Even he shouldn't have
said that. He's obviously not a very

675
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.960
ethical guy to begin with. Former
appellate judge David Ericson said, quote,

676
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.280
I think it's despicable to break that
breaks the very trust that this entire system

677
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.719
of law should be based away,
right, I mean, just slip Cassandra.

678
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.800
Poor Cassandra has been through it.
Slip her a little note something.

679
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:21.440
Stacy's sister, Cassandra Cale's has not
given up looking for her sister. She

680
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:25.280
claims to have located Stacy's body at
the bottom of the Chicago Sanitarian Ship Canal

681
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.360
using advanced sonar two years ago.
She gave the information to police, but

682
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.239
they didn't send divers to the area
until five months later, and they were

683
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.199
unable to find the skeleton that Cassandra
thought she found. She uses all of

684
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:45.760
her time, personal material resources,
along with public donations, continue to continue

685
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:51.159
the search for Stacy. Cassandra has
worked tirelessly trying to find her beloved sister

686
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.800
and has helped many other families search
for their loved ones too. She truly

687
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:59.000
believed that one day she will find
Stacy. Cassandra broke my heart because she

688
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:04.119
really just loved her sister and just
wanted her back so badly. Stacy and

689
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.960
Kathleen's families were not allowed to see
the children when they were growing up.

690
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.119
But like I said earlier, all
the children are adults now, so I

691
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:15.519
hope that they've been able to receive
the love and support from their extended families.

692
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:20.039
Yeah, I hope so too.
Norma Peterson, the wife of Drew's

693
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:24.719
brother Paul and Stacy's sister in law, has formed a nonprofit called Document the

694
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.559
Abuse dot com. It is a
website that allows victims of domestic abuse to

695
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:38.320
document their experiences of domestic violence in
an evidentiary abuse affidavid or an EAA.

696
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:46.960
Here's a clip of Norma explaining the
evidentiary abuse affidavid In watching what had gone

697
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:53.000
on with Kathy, I mean,
it just seemed so disgraceful and so disturbing.

698
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:59.360
And there was a domestic violence awareness
advocate by the name of Susan Murphy

699
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.960
Milano, who was working in this
area right about the time that Stacy went

700
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.880
missing and Kathy's case came up,
and when she saw everything that Kathy had

701
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:14.719
gone through, she had created something
called an evidentiary abuse AFFI David. So

702
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:20.199
what this evidentiary abuse Affidavid does is
that it allows victims to write down everything

703
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:25.519
that's happening to them in a way
that is meaningful for them. So all

704
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:31.000
those police reports that Kathy had,
the hospital reports that she had, all

705
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:36.119
of this can be put into this
affidavit. It's called Document the Abuse.

706
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:43.639
You can find it online or literally
getting out there into different countries and getting

707
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:45.920
this information out there, because with
the pandemic, as we've all seen,

708
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.000
these numbers are going up. And
when you don't feel like you can tell

709
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:55.239
anybody, or it's not safe to
tell anybody, sometimes just getting it out

710
00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:01.519
under paper can be healing. So
now that becomes the legacy that I want

711
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:08.159
to see for both Kathleen and for
Stacy to present for her children. That's

712
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:14.119
going to be their mother's legacy that
they not will only be tributorson's wives,

713
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:19.960
they will be the reason that other
women and other victims, regardless of their

714
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:25.679
gender will be able to hopefully survive
these types of situations and to be able

715
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:30.039
to give them the tools that they
need in order to get out. And

716
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:35.960
that has helped become my work in
going through all of this as a way

717
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:44.039
to again give legacy to these women, but also it's a way for me

718
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:53.199
to heal and to move forward and
do something positive. It's always just so

719
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.840
moving to me and a family member
who has gone through you know, something

720
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.920
like that does something, you know, with their pain and with their tragedies.

721
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.440
You know, I can't talk right
now, I know, I know,

722
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:10.559
it's it's incredibly moving that. Yeah, you said that very well.

723
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:15.400
Like nothing makes me more emotional than
these brave victims, families that really want

724
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:19.280
to make a difference. Yeah,
I mean, and the cycle of violence.

725
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.760
Yes, I just want to put
myself in their shoes, like I

726
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:24.880
don't know if I could even get
out of bed or you know, well,

727
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.440
I mean yeah, I mean it's
been several years, but it's it's

728
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:32.119
just so admirable, So well done. Again, that was document the Abuse

729
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:37.840
dot Com. If you visit document
the Abuse dot Com and you use Chrome,

730
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:43.079
there's a quick escape button that goes
to a different website right away,

731
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:47.199
which I think is a really a
really good idea. Well, that is

732
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:53.920
the horrible story of Drew Peterson and
rest in Kathleen. Yeah, and Stacy,

733
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:59.199
I am so glad that Drew is
in jail and we'll never get out.

734
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:05.880
Me too. Just it's just shocking
that, you know, he got

735
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:08.880
away with it. I mean he
would have gotten away, Yeah, I

736
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:13.679
mean he almost got away with it, all right. I have to compose

737
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:21.400
myself sometimes I just you just don't
know, and it's gonna but norma she

738
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.079
stayed with the kids. I think
a lot too, and you know,

739
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:29.440
seems like a lovely person. Okay, so we are officially done. We

740
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:31.840
are done with the Petersons. Done
with the Petersons for until we find another

741
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:37.119
horrible Peterson. Yeah. So our
friend Kylie. Kylie is the sweetest,

742
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.639
she's the hardest working. I always
say she's the hardest working podcast or she

743
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:47.199
is the host of Primetime Crime Crime
with the k. We were texting back

744
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:52.559
and forth about how horrible the Petersons
are and how you know how gross Drew

745
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.719
was, and I made her play
not love Mary Kill, but Mary Kill.

746
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:01.679
Oh oh God, Like you can't
cop out. You have to answer.

747
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:07.079
So I guess I would ask you
as I know you're not a woman,

748
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.519
but you have you have to answer, Kylie did I'm not going to

749
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:13.159
reveal her answers. I'll tell you
mine if you tell you yours. Oh

750
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.679
god, I can't, I can't. You could take a second to think

751
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:20.760
about it, Okay, I really
isn't that fun? I just think it's

752
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:29.000
funny. I kill myself. I
can't. Okay, we had to stop

753
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.119
recording for ten minutes. Really think
this is one of the most cruel things.

754
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.760
If you're making me do this.
I had to really think about this

755
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:37.199
hard. Okay, But here I
go. Okay, here's my answer.

756
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:44.719
All right. I am going to
marry Scott Peterson because he's like he tends

757
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:47.159
to become whatever his partner wants.
So as long as he doesn't kill me,

758
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:55.480
I am going to f Michael Peterson. Well just you know, any

759
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.599
it would be horrible any of them, but it'll get it'll be done,

760
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:04.400
and they'll be done. Drew Peterson
I'm gonna kill okay, all right,

761
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.719
Yeah, I mean he deserves it. I mean really, I think I

762
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:14.079
think you're right. I would marry
Scott because he's I mean, you can

763
00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:16.000
hate me. But he's not.
He's not horrible yet. I mean he's

764
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:21.159
and he really isn't interested in me
anyway, So he would never be home.

765
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:27.480
He'd always be with his girlfriend.
I would probably f true and I'd

766
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.599
kill Michael. Yeah, that's my
answer. I so judge me. I

767
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:32.599
was, Yeah, I was on
the fence about that. I mean,

768
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.199
really they you know, like you
said, I'd rather take my own life.

769
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:43.480
I can't believe that. I'm sorry. Please forgive us. We got

770
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:47.400
a lot of new listeners lately,
so thank you so much and welcome o

771
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:52.360
G listeners. We love you,
guys, and so grateful for you and

772
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.239
all the people that message me.
I love you guys. You're the best.

773
00:57:54.679 --> 00:58:00.360
Sometimes you're just the sunshine and brightness
of my day. So know that

774
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.559
I truly love you and we're for
all best friends, and thank you.

775
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.280
I do too, even though I
don't I don't handle like our you know,

776
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.599
community outreach as much, but I
love hearing yea from our listeners and

777
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.360
all your your comments, stories and
stilly us with rich. So thank you,

778
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:20.840
thank you very much. Please rate, review, follow and subscribe,

779
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.400
find us on social media, or
send us an email at Lovemrykill at gmail

780
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:30.480
dot com, and consider supporting us
on Patreon dot com. Slash Love Mary

781
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:35.239
Kill one tier five dollars a month
for early ad free access and a monthly

782
00:58:35.280 --> 00:59:28.320
bonus episode. Till next time,
The Accup the