The Staudte Family

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Hi, I'm Tina and I'm Emma. And if there's one thing I've learned

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in over twenty years of being a
mom, some days you're gonna feel like

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killing your mom, and some days
you'll feel like killing your kid. Welcome

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to Love Mary Kill, a bonus
Mother's Day episode. Well, Hi,

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Emma, Hi Mom. I'm just
gonna say if you want to introduce yourself,

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but I guess you just said mom. So everyone knows you are my

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oldest guest. I am Tina's oldest
daughter. I am surprised that you agreed

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to do this me too, but
you know, it's always good to try

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new things and I like to be
involved. How do you feel having international

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superstars as parents? It feels pretty
great. I brag about you guys all

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the time. I'm just kidding.
We are not international superstars. Know,

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you and your brother have both been
very supportive and we appreciate that. Yeah,

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I think it's awesome that you guys
started this from the ground up and

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you work so hard at it.
Yeah, it's been It's been a lot

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of fun. So you've had some
major life achievements lately. Do you want

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to talk about those just for a
second. Sure? So I just graduated

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from college with a degree in early
childhood education as your GPA. Do you

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want the people to know, Let's
just say you graduated suma cum laure which

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we're very proud of you for.
Thank you, and you were very this

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is the saddest thing ever, but
you were really sick. I was really

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sick, and you were not able
to participate in graduation. It was really

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sad. It was sad. I
was mostly sad because I had a cute

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outfit planned. That's the worst part, not that you got to wear two

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chords. I mean that outfit's the
most important thing, let's be real.

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Well, and then the morning of
graduation, I came down with what you

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had and I remember laying there because
you were when you went to bed the

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night before, you were so determined. You're like, I'm going to graduation

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tomorrow, no matter why. And
then I started feeling horrible and I was

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like, oh, I don't know
if there's no way I'm going to be

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able to sit through graduation. And
then you said there's no way I can

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sit through graduation either. So that
was kind of war breaking. But this

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weekend we should have you wear You're
cute outfit and we can go out to

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dinner and you can put you will
take pictures. We haven't done that yet,

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but we should do that. Yeah, I'd like to do that.

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And yeah, I was an awful
upper respiratory virus. My voice is still

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a little crispy from it. So
if I have local fry, just know

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that this is not my normal timbre. And you already have a job that

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you started this week? Yes,
I did, and I'm very excited.

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You're a star. And how did
how did your first week go? It

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was amazing. It was the best
first week I've had at any job,

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and I feel incredibly lucky. That
is great to hear. Okay, so

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you made me a snack? I
did. Do you want to talk about

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it real quick? Sure? So
it's a recipe I've been wanting to make

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for some time. I found it
on the subreddit Old Recipes, and it

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is called peanut butter bread. It's
a very butter bread. It's a very

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simple recipe. Flour, baking powder, peanut butter, honey. We don't

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have to Okay, I don't know, but it's a it's not a yeast

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bread, right, it's not a
yeast bread. Okay, I will.

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Let's we're going to take a quick
break and we're gonna have Have you tried

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it yet? Yes? I did? Oh you did. Okay, I'm

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gonna try real quick. Well.
That was really good. God, I'm

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glad you enjoyed it. I yeah, I don't think I would have picked

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this out myself to make, but
it's really good. Yeah. Maybe I

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would throw some chocolate chunks in it, okay, or a chocolate drizzle on

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top. But I think it's really
good good. And yeah, I think

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it's kind of like banana bread consistency, but without the banana taste. And

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I really don't like banana bread.
You don't. I think banana bread all

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the time and you never want to
eat it. Yeah, so this is

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a good alternative. Well, thank
you for the bread, and thank you

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for being here, Thanks for having
me. We cover a lot of sad

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and tragic stories about dysfunctional families,
but this is one of the saddest I've

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ever heard. It reminds me of
the quote at the beginning of Anna Corenna.

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All happy families are alike. Each
unhappy family is unhappy in its own

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way. Ready, I'm ready.
Diane Richter was born in nineteen sixty two

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to a devout Lutheran family in Springfield, Missouri. She showed her musical prowess

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at an early age when she began
playing the piano at three years of age.

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Growing up, Diane was quiet and
awkward, same Diane. After high

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school, she attended a luth college
in Kansas and studied nursing. Mark Staddi

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was born in nineteen fifty one in
Saint Louis, Missouri. Mark's father was

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in the military, which forced the
family to move off and around the world.

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Mark studied communications at Saint John's College
in Winfield, Kansas, but after

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graduation he decided to pursue a music
career. Diane and Mark met in nineteen

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eighty five at a bluegrass music festival
in Kansas. Mark was eleven years Diane

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senior. Like Diane, Mark was
quiet and reserved. Music was an important

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part of both of their lives.
Mark was very talented. He sang,

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played multiple instruments, and wrote his
own songs. He was the lead singer

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and guitarist of a local blues band, Messing with Destiny. Mark was easy

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going and well loved in his community. Diane preferred to display her musical talents

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in church. Mark and Diane were
married on December twenty eighth, nineteen eighty

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five, just months after they met. Stotti's first child, a son named

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Sean, was born in nineteen eighty
six. Sean had seizures as a young

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child, constantly worring his parents.
Two more children followed, both daughters,

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Sarah, born in nineteen eighty eight
and Rachel, born in nineteen ninety.

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In nineteen ninety four, the Staudy
family moved to Springfield, Missouri. Located

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in southwest Missouri, Springfield, the
heart of the Ozarks, calls itself a

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big small town. It is known
to be a warm and welcoming community,

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often called the buckle of the Bible
Belt. There's a church on every corner.

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Springfield, made up of five counties, is home to almost five hundred

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thousand. The city offers one hundred
five parks and Ozark's Greenway, a linear

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trail system that integrates with the city's
growing by grout system. Springfield also boasts

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an airport, an art museum,
a zoo, and a minor league baseball

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team, and is home to bass
Pro shops in Johnny Morris's Wonders of Wildlife

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Museum, and Aquarium, Missouri State
University, Drury and evangel Universities, Ozark's

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Technical Community College, and two nationally
recognized Top one hundred integrated health systems.

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I may have gone to the chambro
of Commerce and gotten that information. Is

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Ozark's Technical Community College like a notable
institution of Yes, I'm sure it is.

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A Guess who is Springfield's most famous
past resident their most famous son.

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You're probably not going to guess it, but I have no clue. Brad

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Pitt, Oh, it came from
Springfield, Missouri. There's a rumor that

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he may or may not have a
house there. Interesting. Diane was the

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breadwinner for the family. She worked
as a cardiac nurse and was very active

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in her church, Holy Redeemer Lutheran
Church in Springfield. Diane said Mark could

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never hold down a job. He
sometimes worked as a bartender or at other

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odd jobs, but Mark never held
a steady job. It would have been

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fine if he'd been a stay at
home parent, but Mark wasn't good at

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cooking, cleaning, or meeting his
children's emotional or physical needs. Diane accused

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Mark of irresponsible spending, drinking,
and doing drugs, but his friends say

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that it isn't true. He liked
to play his music and have a drink

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or two, but he was in
control. The Stouty family moved to Springfield

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in nineteen ninety four, in part
because Diane's family lived in Springfield and could

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help with the children. Brianna,
the youngest child, was born in two

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thousand and one, completing the family. Of the four children, Diane strongly

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favored Rachel. Rachel was intelligent and
musically gifted. She sang and played several

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instruments. Mark and Diane were very
proud of her. She was the golden

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child. Diane and Rachel bonded over
the music program at their church. They

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were both deeply involved. Diane had
been the church organist for over thirty years

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at Holy Redeemer. On Good Friday
twenty twelve, Mark sixty one suddenly fell

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ill with flu like symptoms. Mark
was scheduled to record with his band that

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week. His bandmates recalled that he
was unfocused and disoriented during rehearsal, His

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skin was sallow, and he couldn't
keep food down. The day before his

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death, on April seventh, Sean
Stowdy wrote in his journal, my father

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is slowly getting sicker. His voice
is slurred, his walking is wobbly.

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Seawn was very concerned about his father. By April eighth, Easter Sunday,

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Mark was gravely ill. When Diane
and the children arrived home after church,

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they found Mark unconscious. Diane called
nine one one, but when the paramedics

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arrived, it was too late.
Mark was dead. Diane wrote on Facebook

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quote for all my friends on Facebook, this past Sunday evening, Mark,

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my husband of twenty seven years,
reached his eternal home. None. She

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included a Bible verse John chapter fourteen, verse one through four. Let not

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your hearts be troubled. Believe in
God. Believe also in me. In

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my father's house are many rooms.
If it were not so, so what

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I have told you that I am
going there to prepare a place for you.

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And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come

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back and take you to be with
me, that you also may be where

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I am. At his memorial service, Mark's friend and bandmate said Diane showed

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no emotion. He said it was
like she was hosting a party. There

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was no sadness. I thought it
was just her way of grieving. Mark's

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death was ruled to be from natural
causes because of his unhealthy lifestyle. He

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was an overweight smoker who ate badly
and never exercised. There was no autopsy.

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Mark's body was cremated. Okay,
So in a lot of the cases

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we cover, if the body is
cremated, it's because the spouse has requested

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for it to be cremated, and
oftentimes they're trying to hide something because you

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can always exhum a body. Do
you know what exzooming a body means.

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I don't want to insult you,
but do you know what that means to

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exam a body? It means to
dig it up. Oh, so there

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is a physical body remaining, they
can exhum it and then detect you know,

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if there was a afarious means of
death. Right. Jeff Sippy,

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the pastor at the Stoudiest church and
a friend of the family, told twenty

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twenty quote, there was nothing in
me that believed that it was of the

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natural cause. I didn't believe that
he died of a stroke, a heart

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attack, or in his sleep.
I just didn't. There's nothing scientific,

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there's nothing professional about my observation.
But my first words were, no way,

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he did not just die. End
quote. What do you think I

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don't know. I mean, it
sounds like he did have an unhealthy lifestyle,

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but it was just he was just
sick, right, flu like symptoms

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and flew like symptoms, and after
like he's came became ill on Good Friday

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and he died by Easter. So
within forty eight hours he passed away.

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Okay, that's definitely questionable. I
forgot to say the top of the episode.

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But there is a reason that I
picked this case for our Mother's Day

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episode. I figured there's a little
for shadowy. The studies lived in a

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modest, nine hundred square foot home. Do you have a picture on your

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head of what nine hundred square feet
is? Yeah, pretty cozy, It

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would be pretty small. Yeah,
so I think nine hundred square feet is

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probably about the size of our basement. Okay, So imagine there's four kids

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and two grown ups and that's you
know, their living quarters, their bedrooms,

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their kitchen, and that would be
pretty cramped right right. It was

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cluttered and disorganized. There was a
lot of fighting for space and privacy amongst

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the family members. The children had
been a constant challenge for Diana. Mark

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Sean was developmentally delayed in fifth grade. He was diagnosed with autism. Sean

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also suffered from seizure disorder. Sarah
had severe separation anxiety. Diane called her

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a difficult child. Rihanna, the
youngest, was developmentally delayed and had learning

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disabilities. Rachel, the third child, was the easiest and most self sufficient.

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But Diane said all of her children
had their gifts. All my kids

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were a joy. Have you ever
heard little professors syndrome? They all have

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their little special interests. So in
Sean's case, Sean enjoyed reading about Sweden

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architecture, mechanics. What about Sarah? They spoke French. Rachel was into

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Japan. She plays multiple instruments,
so she played in the church band as

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well, The Two of You.
Was she talented? I think so,

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yeah, very talented. And Brianna
was into dinosaurs and cats. She was

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gifted with computers. After Mark's death, Diane received a twenty thousand dollars life

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insurance payout. She and the children
moved into a bigger home in a nicer

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neighborhood, and Diane began to work
from home as a claims handler for an

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insurance company. As the family settled
into their new home, five months after

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Mark's death, Sean became mysteriously ill
with flu like sim shows. I'm sorry

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to laugh, but it's funny to
see your expressions. Well, I have

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a thought. Okay, I don't
know if it's too early to come in,

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but yeah, why don't you just
hold on to your Okay, you

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just want to you know where this
is going? Right? I think I

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might. You're just much more expressive
than my usual podcast partner. Days later,

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on September Tewod twenty twelve, Diane
found twenty six year old Sean dead

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on his bedroom floor again after returning
home from church. Diane again took to

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Facebook to notify friends and family.
She wrote, quote to my Facebook friends

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and family, it is hard for
me to come up with the right words,

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but here goes. On Sunday,
my oldest child, Sean died.

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Although he had been sick lately,
we thought he was getting better. Thank

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you to those who have called or
messaged me. Please continue to pray for

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us during this time. End quote. Diane said it was hard for me

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to come up with the right words. Well, she doesn't say anything nice

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about her son at all. She
just says he died, And you know,

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didn't you think that was kind?
Of weird, Yeah it was.

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There was no memorial service for Sean. His body was cremated like Marx had

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been. Not long after Shawn's death, Rachel posted a picture of her mom

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on Facebook, sitting cross legged and
smiling, with a caption that read,

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don't think I've seen my mom Diane
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time. That's weird. What's weird
that she posted that two days right after

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Shawn's dath is just a couple of
days, Yeah, and her mom's all

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relaxed and chilled out right, And
like, did she ask Rachel to post

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that? I don't know. So. There was an autopsy after Sean's death.

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The manner of his death was ruled
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just like his dance has been.
The pathologist believed he had died from

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a seizure when no one was at
home. A mysterious ring of blood appeared

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around his mouth. Mark also had
the same ring of blood around his mouth.

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The autopsy revealed that Sean had a
congenital kidney defect and that he'd also

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suffered some brain damage in his life. In December twenty twelve, Sarah's Dottie

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graduated from Missouri State College with honors
with a degree in French. Diane posted

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a picture of her on Facebook with
the heartfelt caption, congrats Sarah. Well,

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I didn't even get a post,
so I think that was pretty generous.

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There wasn't a picture to post.
I you, we haven't taken a

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picture yet, and I don't have
a personal account of Okay, you deserve

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that and so much more. I'm
just not but would you agree that Congrats

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Sarah? Like you know not.
We're really proud of you and you worked

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so hard. Just congrats Sarah.
Yeah, that's a little weak. Despite

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earning her college degree, Sarah was
in no rush to get a job,

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unlike my beautiful daughter. Diane grew
frustrated with her oldest daughter. She warned

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her that her student loan payments would
begin soon. Diane didn't want to be

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stuck making the payments on Sarah's loan. On June ninth, twenty thirteen,

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Diane rushed Sarah twenty four, to
the hospital. She was near organ failure

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for the third time, and fourteen
months a member of the Staddy family was

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gravely ill. A doctor who treated
Sarah told twenty twenty quote she was the

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sickest of the sick. He'd never
seen a twenty four year old so sick.

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Sarah was treated for multiple organ failures
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She was in dire condition and she
wasn't expected to survive. Doctors were confused

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about what caused her illness. Diane
requested the hospital stop treatment. They didn't,

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but despite Sarah's dire condition, she
gradually began improving. Diane's behavior at

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the hospital was odd and off putting
to staff. She was laughing and joking

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and talking about an upcoming vacation to
Florida. She said she was going to

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take the vacation regardless of Sarah's situation. Dianne posted again on Facebook quote asking

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for prayers for my daughter. Sarah
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What would you think if you were
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I would be a little suspicious.
Other people were starting to get suspicious as

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well. On June eleventh, twenty
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an anonymous call was placed to the
Springfield Police Department. A call came from

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the pastor of the Stoddeis Church,
Jeff Sippy. Oh Boy, we'll be

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back after a break. What do
you think is going on at the Stoddy

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house? Why is everyone getting sick? I am getting flowers in the attic

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vibes here if you know what I
mean. I actually have never read Flowers

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in the Attic. It may surprise
you. Oh well, if anyone wants

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to read it and doesn't want a
spoiler to get ahead. The book fifty

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years old at this point, So
I mean arsenic poisoning. Oh, this

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is what I'm thinking. Who is
poisoning? I guess we've made it pretty

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obvious the mom. Yeah, there's
no incest involved in this case as far

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as I know, But just the
similarities between how quickly the illness started with

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all of the family members brings a
bell for me. Right after the tip

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from the pastor, an investigation was
opened into the deaths of Mark and Sean

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Stoudy. Investigators talked to the doctor
who was treating Sarah and said her symptoms

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were suspicious and maybe the result of
heavy metal poisoning. Testing for heavy metals

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isn't something a normal toxicology screening looks
for. The sample must be sent to

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a separate lab. Shawn's autopsy results
were revisited. Tissue samples had been saved

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from his autopsy, which allowed for
a more thorough toxicology screening. Initially,

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the pathologists thought Sean could have died
from heavy metal poisoning or arsenic okay,

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I was close, but neither was
found. However, the presence of ethylene

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glycol was found, So you were
close. I was close, and in

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flowers in the attic. The mom
gives them doughnuts and the doughnuts have powdered

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sugar on the top, and the
powdered sugar contains arsenic. So I'm wondering

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how the ethylene glycol was You are
delayed to find out. Oh boy,

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keep going. Anti freeze or ethylene
glycol is the perfect poison. At least

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it was until twenty twelve. It
has a sweet taste that is attractive to

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small children and pets. It is
less and undetectable in food or drink.

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The symptoms of ethylene glycol poisoning include
nausea, vomiting, decreased level of alertness,

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and slurred speech. It's a slow
and brutal death. The symptoms are

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often confused with other ailments. In
December twenty twelve, the Consumer Specialty Products

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Association and Humane Society Legislative Fund announced
that anti freeze manufacturers in the United States

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agreed to voluntarily add a bitter flavoring
agent, rendering it less enticing to pets

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and children. Before this legislation was
passed, as many as ten thousand animals

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a year were killed by drinking anti
freeze. Isn't that horrible? It really

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is? And I should say I
did a little bit of research, but

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I'm not positive, but I think
that not all anti freeze actually has that

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bittering agent. I think you can
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That's interesting because I mean, I've
never tasted it, but I didn't

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know that it happened sweet taste.
Don't taste it. No, I'm not

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planning on it, but yeah,
a lot of people would put it like,

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you know, you're in your garage
and you know you're working, you're

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changing your aunt to freeze, and
they would leave it in like a pan

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in the garage and then their dog
or toddler would happen upon it. That's

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so sad. Yeah, But I
believe that they bought it online, and

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they bought it online on purpose because
they thought that it was less likely to

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contain the bittering agent that way.
Hmm okay. Diane fifty one voluntarily went

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to the police station for questioning with
Detective Neil mcamis on June twentieth, ten

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days after Sarah had been admitted to
the hospital. Diane was calm at first,

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but then as questions focused on her
actions, she became uncomfortable. Diane

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tried to explain Mark's stath away as
a possible drug overdose. She said he

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had some shady friends. When asked
about Sean, she said he suffered from

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seizure disorder and had suffered from several
strokes in his life. She said that

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he was experiencing suicidal thoughts and had
googled ways to take his own life.

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She told detective mcamos that Sarah was
bipolar and had threatened to slit her wrists

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before. The detective kept telling Diane
she was a good person and that good

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people make mistakes sometimes when they reach
a breaking point. He was very kind

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and sympathetic to her. That's how
they get you, That's how Detective mcgamos

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said, quote, I had to
be very careful in speaking with her because

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this is someone who has just been
terribly unlucky that her family has had these

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terrible tragedies, or is this something
a lot more sinister. It was a

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very fine line I had to walk
during that interview end quote. As the

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interview progressed, things weren't adding up, so Detective mccamos turned up the heat.

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Mccamos told Ozark first quote, I
began putting a little bit more pressure

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on her. Diane had a career
in nursing, and when she couldn't really

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explain why this was going on,
some of her explanations didn't make sense,

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so I put a little pressure on
her just to see where it would go.

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It was a real gradual chipping away
at her story, and eventually it

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started to unravel and it seemed to
just slip more and more. And then

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she starts talking about anti freeze unquote, so tell me about it, Dinair.

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There's a lot of bar arguments.
Could it really shortened? Sweet?

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I knew they were drinking anti freeze, an Michelleman, I didn't want a

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tanker man. Daniel right now,
is your achieance too to make some of

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this somewhat right? Because you're going
to want people to see that you're remorseful

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and that you know you're sorry for
what you did. And you knew that

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they were drinking and a freeze.
You knew that they didn't We both know

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that you knew, Diane, that
they were drinking in a freeze because you

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were giving it to them. Didn't
know what else to do? They really

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do? What were you putting it
in? Cop problem? How much would

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you put in just a little gap? You're saying Mark is the first one.

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There's nobody before Mark, not in
your past, live or not any

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Okay, Mark's the first one.
And it just got started. You said

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you hated his guts and couldn't take
him anymore. Hated his guts here she

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that was intense. Yeah, that
was a that was a very tough interview.

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There sounds so eerie too. Her
tone of voice, She's I think

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she's really creepy. Yeah. So
Diane explained that she didn't know what to

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do. She couldn't get her husband
and kids out of the house, and

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they were getting in the way of
her work and peace of mind. She

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snapped. She said she hated her
life. Diane said of Mark, I

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hated his guts. He would throw
things at me. He would throw things

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at the kids. I guess I'd
had enough. However, later in an

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interview again with twenty twenty, Diane
said that she didn't remember having that conversation.

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To me, one of the weirdest
things is she talks about like how

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she knew they were drinking anti freeze
to take their own lives, and she

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claimed that she saw them do it. It's very weird. It is very

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weird. I promise I will stop
you if I ever see you drinking aunt

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to freeze. Diane said that someone
she refused to say who, for her

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own safety, forced her to poison
her family. She said no one knew

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the depth of her suffering. When
detective mc amis asked Diane why she took

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Sarah to the hospital when she barely
clung to life and not let her die

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at home like Mark and Sean,
Diane said she didn't want quote another one

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to die at home. Houses are
nasty after somebody has died in it end

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quote. She told the detective that
after Sean died, they had been spooped

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after they thought they'd had a haunting
incident after Rachel had moved into Shawn's room.

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I hope Sean haunted the heck out
of them. Diane said that Rachel

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was not aware of her plan to
kill her family, that she'd acted on

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her own, and after her confession, Diane was arrested. Rachel twenty two.

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You remember Rachel, she's the third
one and she's the Yeah, she

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was the golden Yeah. She was
brought in for questioning and told about her

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mother's arrest. And basically, what
has happened is your mom isn't killing your

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dad and your brother and trying to
kill your sister with poison? Take some

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time, HM, and Mom said
this too, But obviously I have to

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answer these questions. You didn't have
any involvement in any of this stuff.

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Don't take don't take it the wrong
way, but I have to ask those

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questions. Okay, Mom never confided
in you that she was doing this.

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Never, and from what I califeina
I diet from you, that thought didn't

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even enter your mind. I know
you said she was frustrated, but I

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kind of thinking as you didn't think
she was frustrated to the point where she

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wouldn't do something like this, right, what do you think? I mean?

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It's hard to say because she was
just crying pretty much the whole time,

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which I don't know. I mean, she has every right to be

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sad, but well, Rachel denied
any involvement, and she was very quiet

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during most of the interview. Do
you think she was involved? I don't

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know if I can say, but
I think there's a chance. After Diane's

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arrest, a search warrant was executed
at the Staddy home. Police found their

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home to be messy, cluttered,
and chaotic. A jug of anti freeze

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was found in the garage next to
a six pack of Coca cola. A

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lavender floral journal was found in Rachel's
bedroom, which contained mind blowing information about

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the murders of Mark and Sean.
Rachel was complicit, after all in the

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murders, it seemed. In an
entry from June thirteenth, twenty eleven,

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Rachel wrote, quote, it's sad
when I realized that my father will pass

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on in the next two months.
Sean my brother will move on shortly after.

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It will be tough getting used to
the changes, but everything will work

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out end quote. A note was
discovered that Rachel had penn that said quote,

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Once upon a time there was six, Now there are only three.

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Only the quiet ones will be left. My mother my little sister and me

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end quote. Oh my goodness,
Okay, another flowers in the attic connection

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I've made here. The eldest daughter
is basically the sole survivor in that book

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and on the whole book for me. Well, she writes a poem like

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that that rhymes Oh maybe Rachel was
a fan of VC Andrews. Maybe she

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was. I want to look this
up and read it because it is it's

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really similar. Interesting. Rachel was
summoned back to the police station the next

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day for another round of questioning.
This time, detective mcgamis was armed with

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her journal entries. Were you ever
suspicious of your mom? No? You

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know it sounds like you and hear
from talking to her that you and her

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were pretty good buddies. Is that
right? You guys are real close,

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almost best friend kind of. Did
she ever mention anything at all? No?

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So she never told you specifically that
she wanted to hurt your dad,

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your brother, or your sister.
Do you recognize this? Yeah? I

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remember this. What is that little
journal thing? Who's journal? Mine?

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Your journal? So you wrote this
then? Is what you're telling me?

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Okay, no more lies or untruth. We need to be honest about everything.

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You understand what is this. I'd
had a lot of really bad dreams

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about them dying. I talked to
mom about it, and she mentioned she

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was thinking of hurting them. So
you said you'd been having some dreams about

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them dying, and you told your
mother about this. What did you tell

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your mother? That I would look
back, that that it'd be easy,

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that that'd be to Heaven's moon and
we could move on. I don't like

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Rachel's vibe. No, I don't
like Diane's vibes. Rachel went on to

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say that her father and brother were
a drain and the family. Mark spent

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money recklessly and he partied all the
time. Rachel claimed that she didn't want

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to kill Sean. She thought that
he could have gone to assistant living,

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but Diane wanted him out of their
lives for good. The decision to kill

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Sarah arose because she lacked the ambition
to get a job despite graduating from college.

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She had no way to pay back
her loans and that was weighing heavily

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and Diane. So when did the
plan to kill Sarah come about? May?

407
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:37.960
June, May or Jen And so
why was it decided to kill Sarah?

408
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.960
Oh? The fact that she basically
lived in the back then room and

409
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:50.519
didn't like have any dunction to get
a job. I'm not certain. One

410
00:33:50.559 --> 00:34:05.759
probably has her own issues with her
what about you? Yes, but I

411
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:10.239
don't know. It's just it's chilling, isn't it. It really is.

412
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.360
She's so cold about it all.
Rachel tried to explain away her journal entries

413
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.000
as if they were had been dreams, but she knew that really didn't make

414
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.800
sense. She said that Diane was
the mastermind behind the poisonings and her mother

415
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:29.519
was the one who decided to use
anti freeze. Although Rachel had researched discrete

416
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:34.840
poisons while she was at Missouri State
College, Detective mccamis said, quote,

417
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.199
both Rachel and her mother said they
did a lot of research. They looked

418
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:42.440
into poisonous plants. They said,
they looked into other methods of poison and

419
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.559
said they eventually decided to go with
anti freeze because they could get tasteless anti

420
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.159
freeze. Can I ask a question, Yeah, do you know what Rachel's

421
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.360
doing with her life at this point? Well? I do, yes,

422
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.880
Okay, because well, at this
point, you mean, at the point

423
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.760
in the story she's a college student
and oh, Okay, so if she

424
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.440
hasn't graduated yet, no, I
think she was also at Missouri's yet.

425
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.519
She was at Missouri'ska where her sister
had gone. Diane put the anti freeze

426
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:13.519
and Mark's gatorade, but used coke
for Sean and Sarah. She would unscrew

427
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.559
the caps, put a tablespoon of
anti freeze in and then reseal the cap,

428
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.400
and Rachel knew not to drink the
cokes that had been previously unscrewed.

429
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.039
She admitted to once giving her father
a tainted gatorade, but when pressed by

430
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:30.039
the detective, she confessed it was
more like three or four times. Detective

431
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:36.199
mccamis believes that Rachel was more involved
than she admitted to. Rachel said Diane

432
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.159
was the only family member who understood
her. I think they both really just

433
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.159
felt like they were the only ones
that got each other. You know,

434
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:50.039
they were the ones that were just
like I'm just like us. Although we

435
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.880
do have like the redhead thing.
We're both very vibrant redheads, was very

436
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:59.920
sensitive and vibes. We're both very
pale and blue. I mean we do

437
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.079
look similar, but yeah, I
think we do have that bond, which

438
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.440
is great. Yeah, this part's
gonna make you mad. Look at me,

439
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.840
don't look at the script. But
what about the youngest daddie, twelve

440
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.239
year old Brianna? Was she safe
from her mother and sister? When when

441
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:25.519
were you guys gonna feel Brianna some
time after Shara? And how are you

442
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:32.960
going to do that? Well,
she liked, Rupia could easily have gone

443
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.920
the same way that we did with
the others. We didn't really going to

444
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:45.360
any new ways. Isn't that horrible? Yeah? And that was Rachel.

445
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:52.760
How is she so lack a days
ago about it? I don't know.

446
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:59.360
Shockingly, Sarah's health began to improve
after twenty four hours. She survived,

447
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:04.119
but suffered brain and organ damage.
She had to relearn many everyday tasks.

448
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.119
She lives in an assisted living facility
and requires a full time caregiver. She

449
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:13.119
will never fully recover from the damage
of the anti freeze poisoning. At the

450
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:17.440
sentencing hearing, Sarah addressed her mother, quote, I forgive my mom for

451
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.159
what she did to me, But
she not only took away my dad and

452
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.719
my brother, but she took away
my lifestyle and independence end quote. She

453
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.599
told Deborah Roberts quote, I wish
I could slap them both and called them

454
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.039
b words. End quote. She
did say that to B words all.

455
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.960
Sarah is very hurt and angry,
and who can blame her. I'm sorry

456
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:45.760
for what she went through, but
I'm sorry for what everybody goes through.

457
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.199
I'm sorry for what I had to
go through. Are you saying that you

458
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.239
were poisoned as well? I can't
rule it out? And what a horrible

459
00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:00.639
excuse for a human being and mother. So Diane thinks she was poisoned.

460
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:07.519
I mean, she's she's said some
really really weird things since she's well spoiler

461
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.079
alert, she's going to go to
prison, but she has said some really

462
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:16.079
weird things since she's been in prison. Diane and Rachel were both charged with

463
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.559
two counts of murder and one count
of assault. They both pleaded not guilty.

464
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.119
Prosecutors pitted Diane and Rachel against each
other, trying to get them to

465
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:30.840
testify against the other. Diane's case
was a death penalty case. She was

466
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.440
considered the brains behind the operation and
had planned the deaths. Rachel just went

467
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.400
along with her mother, so she
was up against two life sentences plus twenty

468
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.920
years in prison, not the death
penalty. Who do you think cout a

469
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.800
deal with the prosecution first, I'm
gonna say, Rachel. Yeah. On

470
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:52.079
January twenty first, twenty sixteen,
two and a half years after her arrest,

471
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.000
Diane, at the last minute,
to avoid the death penalty, knowing

472
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.719
there was a mountain of evidence against
her, took an Alfred plea. Do

473
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.639
you know what an Elford plea is? You probably don't. That's a tricky

474
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.960
thing. I bet our listeners know
because we've had a couple of high profile

475
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.719
cases where the defendant has taken an
Elford plea. What it means. It's

476
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:17.719
not an admission of guilt, but
it's an acknowledgment that prosecutors have sufficient evidence

477
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.920
to convict you. It's like they
know there's no way that a jury is

478
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.480
not going to find me guilty,
so I'm going to take this plea.

479
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:30.679
Okay. So I'm a bit confused
about this still, and I don't know

480
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.320
if it's just an abstract concept because
I'm not into true crime. But what's

481
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.599
the point if you have all this
evidence and you admit you're not guilty?

482
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:44.000
Like, why is that a thing? It's a very nuanced concept, and

483
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.239
the law is tricky. Dad and
I always talk about how we need to

484
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.199
go to law school to be able
to understand it all. And I don't

485
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.400
really quite understand it, but a
lot of people have. They take an

486
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:58.800
Alford plea because it's a lesser sentence, And in this case, Diane took

487
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.519
it because she didn't want to be
killed. She didn't, you know,

488
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:07.400
she didn't want the death penalty,
right, Okay, So Diane showed no

489
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.880
remorse for killing her husband and son
and for disabling her daughter, causing her

490
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:15.719
permanent brain damage. In twenty eighteen, Diane was sentenced to life in prison

491
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:22.039
without the possibility of parole. Rachel
addressed the court and publicly apologized to her

492
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.800
sister Sarah. She tearfully said,
quote, I'm sorry I couldn't find the

493
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.519
courage to stand up for what was
right, to go for help and protect

494
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.599
you. I can try and change
and become a better person. I want

495
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.239
you to know that you're an inspiration
to me. Thank you for showing me

496
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:45.199
who I can't be. End quote. Rachel, unlike her mother, seemed

497
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:50.000
to be remorseful. She will be
eligible for parole in twenty fifty five,

498
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.920
when she is sixty five years of
age. She doesn't seem like you were

499
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.920
buying Rachel's heartfelt statement there no no, but a lot of times it does

500
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.639
feel like when people are reading their
statements in front of the court room that

501
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:08.719
sometimes they do come off as artificial
and maybe hoping that the judge will take

502
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:15.159
pity on them, and the judge
here wasn't having it. The twenty twenty

503
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:19.599
two interview with twenty twenty is the
only time Diane has spoken publicly about her

504
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:23.199
crimes. It's a chilling interview,
and she expresses no remorse and makes ridiculous

505
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:29.320
accusations. She presents with flat affect
and is very careful of what she says.

506
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.719
When first questioned, Diane claimed that
she killed her husband because someone was

507
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.719
threatening her, but she refused to
name them. She said she was told

508
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:43.360
by this mysterious person quote no hospitals, no doctors, or I will kill

509
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.840
you. End quote. She denied
any culpability. There is no proof that

510
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.679
anyone other than Diane and Rachel were
involved in the murders of Mark and Sean

511
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.599
and the attempted murder of Sarah.
She claimed that Mark was involved in drug

512
00:41:54.639 --> 00:42:00.440
trafficking and those people were after her
and her family. She said, quote

513
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.320
Mark was with some people that are
just very dangerous. People have disappeared.

514
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.280
I was told in jail that Mark
had been green lighted to be killed by

515
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:15.519
a hitman. I'm saying somebody probably
came in and gave him something. End

516
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.960
quote. She said that Sean took
his own life. When shown a picture

517
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.519
of Sarah, Diane said, oh, wow, she's gained wake. That's

518
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:30.480
the most expressive she's been in anything
I know. And it's such like a

519
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:36.280
horrible, meanlike mom thing to say, you know, yeah, and she

520
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:42.039
like put her daughter in the hospital. She's permanent, she has permanent disabilities.

521
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.599
And that's her statement, Like,
Oh, it looks like she's,

522
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.039
you know, overcome a lot of
things, and she looks healthy, and

523
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.920
oh she's trying so hard in therapy
and no, oh wow, she's Yeah,

524
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.159
it's disgusting. She said she's sorry
for all that Sarah has gone through,

525
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.039
and she hopes she is happy.
Sarah said she loves her mother and

526
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:06.239
sister, but also hates them.
She has no contact with them. At

527
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.400
Diane's sentencing hearing, she said,
quote, I prefer to be a survivor

528
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.400
than a victim. I forgive my
mom for what she did to me,

529
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.599
but she not only took away my
dad and brother, but she took away

530
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:22.719
my lifestyle, livelihood, and my
independence. End quote. So that's pretty

531
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:29.599
much the story of the Staudi family. Wow, isn't it sad? Yeah?

532
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:31.960
That was really sad. Rihanna was
sent to live in a foster care

533
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:37.280
and I don't believe she has any
contact with her mother or sister, and

534
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:43.400
she was given a new identity.
Okay. Diane and Rachel occasionally exchanged letters.

535
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:49.440
They reside in different prisons. Rachel
is incarcerated at the Women's Eastern Reception

536
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.400
Diagnostic and Correctional Center. Diana is
incarcerated at the Chili Cothee Correctional Center in

537
00:43:54.519 --> 00:44:00.400
Chiliicothee, Missouri. I hope I
said that right, Rachel has a her

538
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.559
conviction. She argued, quote,
when lawyers were appointed, my fear of

539
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:10.039
men was not accommodated, leaving to
miscommunication, coercion, and mental dress.

540
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.159
Being in an interview room alone with
a male detective was like being flailed alive.

541
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.559
End quote. So I knew that
this quote was there, and then

542
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:21.880
when I went back and watched the
interviews, I thought, you know,

543
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.159
she actually seems fine. I don't
think I mean, she was under a

544
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:29.920
little bit of dress, but I
think she was fine. So what do

545
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:34.679
you think of this case? What
do you think Diane's motive was. I

546
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:42.119
mean, I do question whether Mark
was abusive to Diane and the children.

547
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.320
I think he was verbally abusive.
I think the whole house was just it

548
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:50.199
just sounds like they were all at
odds with each other. You know,

549
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.400
they didn't have a lot of space, they didn't have a lot of money,

550
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:58.480
and you know, Mark, he
didn't work other than his music gig

551
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.920
where you know, he probably made
little to no money. That I understand

552
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:07.679
that Dane was probably super stressed out. Yeah, it sounds like maybe she

553
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:13.119
just had a low tolerance for that
type of stress and it just got to

554
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.679
her and one of the kids were
you know, like twenty six, twenty

555
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:22.440
two, and twenty four. And
I'm not excusing her behavior even a little

556
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.280
bit, but I think she was
under a lot of stress. I feel

557
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.920
like Diane was genuinely stressed with what
was going on, and for whatever reason,

558
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.719
her and Rachel kind of trauma bonded
over that and they thought they were

559
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.239
better than the rest of the family
too. Right, Yeah, that bothered

560
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:45.880
me with the whole mental illness with
the other children, how dismissed they were

561
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:50.880
of that, And yeah, like
Sean could have been put in assisted living,

562
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:55.400
and you know, Sarah would have
gotten a job eventually. And Brianna

563
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:59.840
was a bait. I mean,
you know, gratefully she wasn't killed.

564
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.920
Yeah, she was only eleven or
twelve, right, so really it was

565
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.679
really a sad story, right,
Yeah, I hope she's okay now.

566
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.639
So I think we have a pretty
good mother daughter bond. Yeah, I

567
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:15.920
would agree, And I've never really
felt like getting rid of any family members.

568
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.639
You've never come to me and said
okay, snow, I can't.

569
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:22.519
Like That's why I can't get into
true crime as much, because I just

570
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:29.880
can't put myself in these mindsets and
it's just it's gross to me. Yeah,

571
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:34.559
you're not a true crime person.
Really, I'm a softie. I

572
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.000
like, I like, but yeah, anyone else, I just we don't

573
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:43.440
even really listen to our podcast I
used to when I would clean do What

574
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.000
did we do to offend you?
Oh? Nothing, I just I don't

575
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.599
listen to podcasts much anymore. Yeah, you did have a job where you

576
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.800
were cleaning houses and then you listen
to us quite a bit. Then,

577
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:58.000
Yeah, it was. It was
almost comforting at that time. We'll rest

578
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.760
in peace to Sean and Mark and
I feel horrible about what happened to Sarah.

579
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:07.440
Yeah, she seems like she's she's
doing pretty well, but she'll never

580
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:15.840
be able to live on her own. So there's this thing I keep saying

581
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.039
online and social media, would you
rather be in the woods with a bear

582
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.440
or a man? Have you heard
this? I haven't, No, Okay,

583
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.320
so a lot of people are just
women, you know, asking women

584
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.280
would you rather be in the woods
with a bear or a man? I

585
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.920
mean it depends on the man,
and it depends on the bear. I

586
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.800
mean, if it's Paddington Bear,
then I'm going to be in those woods

587
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.840
with that bear. I don't think. I don't think Paddington hangs out in

588
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.400
the woods though. I think he's
in like a nice little English cottage somewhere.

589
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:46.960
I mean, this is a hypothetical, so it doesn't have to be

590
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:50.880
realistic. Well, you get the
gist of the question, right, Like

591
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:52.880
a lot of women are saying,
yeah, I like my odds better with

592
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.920
a grizzly bear than a man.
So it's just a random man. You

593
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.320
don't know if it's going to be
yeah, yeah, you don't, right,

594
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:07.480
and you don't know if the bear
is a domesticated bear or a grizzly

595
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.880
bear. Okay, but they're both
approximately the same size and weight. Allry,

596
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:14.400
I guess I'd take my chances with
the bear. Then you think so,

597
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:15.840
yeah, I mean, I've never
come face to face with the bear,

598
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.079
and I think that the bear would
pick up on my vibes and know

599
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:25.320
that I'm I'm chill. I hate
that women are never safe and we have

600
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:28.960
to make these choices all the time, and we always have to be aware

601
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:35.360
that you know of our circumstances.
Yes, well, thank you for doing

602
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.480
this. It was it was fun
to do it with you. It was

603
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:43.920
fun. I was nervous, but
you did great. You're a great daughter.

604
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:45.440
You're a great person. I get
it from my mama. No,

605
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:49.119
you don't. You're a good person
on your own. I love you.

606
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.599
I'm proud of you. You're a
great kid. You've been pretty great your

607
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:58.599
whole life. We've had some we've
had some blips, for sure. Those

608
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:04.760
teen years weren't so easy. I
know Mother's Day is kind of a tricky

609
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.239
holiday for a lot of people,
and I'm thinking of you and sending you

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at our listeners love, and I've
talked to so many of you, and

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I know your great parents and your
great moms, and I respect you guys.

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And I wanted to say that one
of our very good listener friends,

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Cindy, lost her mom this week
and we're thinking of you, Cindy,

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and we love you. Do you
have anything you want to say before we

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go? Yes? I do.
Be nice to my mom please, and

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my dad for what it's worth.
Anytime they get a rude comment, I

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hear about it and it hurts my
feelings for them because they try their best.

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So that's all I have to say. Be nice to them, please,

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do you know what I ninety nine
point nine nine percent of our listeners

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are just really sweet and amazing.
But thank you for saying that and having

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our backs. We appreciate you.
I love you, I love you,

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and I love da. Maybe you'll
come back for fathers. Maybe brother if

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you can't get my brother, Yeah, brother was like nope, nope.

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