Tina and Gabe Watson - Part 1

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Hi, I'm Tina and I'm Rich. And if there's one thing we've learned

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in over twenty years of marriage,
it's that some days you'll feel like killing

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your wife, and some days you'll
feel like killing your husband. Welcome to

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love, Mary Kill, Hey Rich, Hey Tina. How are you.

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I'm a little sleepy. How are
you. I'm a little sleepy too.

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Are you not a surprise? Huh? You seem to have been sleeping pretty

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well last night? Oh and you
didn't. Well, there were many disturbances

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really. So we have two cats, as everyone knows, Cosmo and Clover

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love them very much. And Clover
so Cosmos like kind of like a fat

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cat who's kind of like a Garfield
type, and Clover's like young. Well

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they're both the same age, but
she's more spry and why she loves to

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play. She'll play all day.
Got her new toy because she wasn't playing

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very much. Yeah, and she's
so needs like she was just like,

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I'm tired of all of these things. So I got a couple of new

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toys catscus they're they're pretty spoiled,
yea. And she woke me up to

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play with her in the middle of
the night and we sleep in the same

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bed, you and I, and
you didn't seem to wake up. I

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do not remember that. It was
just like she comes in a room,

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she starts to I'm like, no, I'm not going to play with you

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right now. So it's just really
sweet that she really loves, loves,

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loves loves her new toy. She's
very good at letting you know what she

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wants to. She's really she's very
smart. She's so cute. But I

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was gonna just say the name of
the toy. It's Emmy O h u.

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I and you think it's I think
it's yeah, kind of a cute

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take on how to. But it's
like this dangy toys, Like it's like

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a fishing pole. Looks like a
fishing pole. Yeah, and it seems

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pretty star. He hasn't broken yet, and she's been pretty aggressive with it,

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and it has like these little dangly
feathers and other little Anyway, no

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one wants to hear this, but
she just really loves it. Cames with

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two and it was only ten ninety
nine, so it's a great toy.

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See how long she stays interested in
it, you never know. I'm kind

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of it like I was tired of
all her old toys, so it's a

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fun one. Anyway, I'm sorry
she woke you up. Oh it wasn't

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just that though, So she like
it was both cats and then the boycat

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like he gets mad if she gets
in bed, like she'll sit at the

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end of the bed where he just
wants to, like sit on my face.

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Fell pet him all night, yeah, because that's how much I love

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him, Like I'll sacrifice my sleep. So I'm like, oh, he

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needs he needs me at him.
He doesn't sleep with this every night.

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But anyway, he was like she
was in the bed, and I think

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he was like, oh no,
we're yeah, and I think he was

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like then an alert and he was
like, I'm going to scare her away,

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so then he anyway, I wasn't
aware any of this was going We

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have an alarm system, an alarm
system, and they're allowed because it's an

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alarm system. It's supposed to wake
you up. And it went off,

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and I was scared because it doesn't
It wasn't it wasn't armed, yeah,

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but it just went off and so
I didn't really know what it was.

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It was like one of the rare
times that I actually fell asleep for five

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minutes, and then I didn't know
what it was. And I've over twenty

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years of marriage, I don't know
if I've ever woken you up in the

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middle of the night for almost anything, right, I mean that's I don't

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wake you up like I probably have, but I just don't recall. So

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I like wake you up, and
I'm like, honey, I'm like,

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what is that noise? You literally
and it's an alarm again going off.

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Quite Look, you literally rolled over
and went back to sleep. Not like,

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oh, let me protect my wife
and children and cats. No,

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you literally rolled over and went back
to I have a vague of just a

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very vague recollection. Oh my gosh. I was kind of stunned. I

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was like, Okay, don't worry, I'll take care of it. So

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then I like, it took me
a few minutes and then I figured it

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out and I turned it off.
But I'm glad there wasn't. Initially I

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was like, what is that noise? Because it doesn't normally go off especially

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yet three am. Oh, I'm
glad there wasn't an intruder. Yeah,

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me too. Well, you would
have been safe because I would have had

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to have taken care of it.
Well, A good job taking care of

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stuff. All right. Well,
I did bring you a snack. I

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liked you. Told you I didn't, but I brought you a second.

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You're gonna be really exciting, sneaky, I know, I am. Okay,

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hold on, hold on, I'm
gonna feel it here in just a

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second. Under the table, he's
gonna I think he's gonna gasp when he

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sees this boy. I can't wait. Maybe he won't. I don't know.

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Yeah, there you go. Cookie. You made cookie? I made

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cookie. Well, I didn't mate
cookies. I made these cookies. I

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posted them on Instagram, I think
because I was they were so good over

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a month ago, and I saved
a couple or a podcast. They are

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from Mel's Kitchen Cafe who mel is
one of my favorite blog recipe sites to

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go or Instagram people to follow.
And they're from their knockoff cookies from the

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I think I'm gonna say, I
hope I'm saying this right, the Lavan

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Bakery, which is well known in
New York for their like colossal yes cookies.

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Wow, Well, let's take a
quick break. Hold on, let

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me just say they're they're called big
Fat, Double Dark chocolate cookies, and

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I think I made them smaller than
what males suggested, and they're they're they're

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pretty big. Yeah, right,
do you want to take a break to

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test? Let's do that. Okay. Twenty two minutes later, I was

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so good I had to eat the
whole thing. I know. I was

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like, are you almost do you
don't have to eat the whole note it

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was kind of big and chewy and
just oh man, it's so chocolate e.

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They're really they're really good. I
highly recommend I say that every freaking

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time they made cookies. But they're
so good. Yeah, you rarely make

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a bad cookie when I've said this
a lot of times. But we are

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trying to reduce our sugar and takes. I think when we do eat a

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cookie now we're just like, this
is the best condemn thing I've ever put

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in my mouth. I was gonna
say that, yeah, because I think

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I haven't eaten a lot of sugar
lace. It is the benefit, honestly,

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of eating less sugar, because when
you do eat it, some people

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are like, oh, it's too
sweet, I don't like it, but

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I'm still like, no, I
love it. It tastes even better when

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you just eat one cookie a week
or whatever it is. Yes, excellent,

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thank you, you're you're quite welcome. So I lied. We lied

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last week when we recorded, we
said, oh, we're probably going to

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be on vacation this week. I
had the timing off. We're actually on

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vacation right now. Yeah, you're
right, we are going to be on

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vacation when people are listening to this
episode. Yeah, that's good. I'm

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looking forward to it. I mean, it's it's it's a lot shorter than

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we would like. Yeah, but
it was our babies are going with us,

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not the cats. And yeah,
I'm very much conferred to spending some

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time too. And I bet our
listeners, if you've been listening for a

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while, you know where we're going. You don't. Maybe I don't know.

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Just we're going to Traverse City or
home away from home. Well,

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I'm going to tell you a story
today about Tina and Gabe Watson. Spoiler

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alert, You're gonna hate Gabe Watson. Okay, you're really gonna You're not

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gonna like him very much at all. I pare myself to hate him.

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This case is also called like the
Honeymoon Killer, So I guess that tells

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you all you need to know,
I guess so, And this is going

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to be a two parter, right. This might be my longest case to

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date by by just like a couple
one hundred words. But it's long,

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and uh I kind of had to
rush it a little bit at the end.

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So yeah, just hang in there
with me. Buckle up, everyone,

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Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna start
by telling you about the Great Barrier

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Reef. The Great Barrier Reef is
the biggest coral reef system and our planet,

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and is one of the seven Natural
wonder of the World. Composed of

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over nine hundred islands and over three
thousand reefs, the Great Barrier Reef is

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over one hundred thirty five thousand square
miles and is a vast and delicate ecosystem

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of its own. The best time
of a year to explore the reef is

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in the dry months of Australia May
to October, when the waters are warmer

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and clearer and stingers are less active. The best diving on the reef is

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the wreck of the S. S. Youngala, a deep dive as deep

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as thirty meters in some places that
requires advanced certification. The waters are generally

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too warm for great white sharks,
so the dive is generally safe. Preservation

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of the reefs is of utmost importance. Many factors threaten the reef's existence,

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among them tourism, over fishing,
the crown of Thorne's starfish, pollution,

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ocean acidification, and warming waters due
to climate change. The crown of Thorne's

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starfish is one of the largest starfish
and it actually eats the coral. The

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reef is susceptible to bleaching, which
is exactly what it sounds like. Coral

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reefs have a symbiotic relationship with a
microscopic algae called zooxanthelli, which produced the

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vibrant colors of the reef. When
the coral becomes stressed by various factors,

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it expels the lgae and the reef
loses its color, turning white looking bleached.

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Lower tides, pollution and too much
sunlight also can cause bleaching. Up

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to seventy five percent of corals have
experience experienced bleaching. The most important factor

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in reducing bleaching is to address climate
change. The good news is that coral

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can heal itself, but it takes
quite a long time. Anyway, I

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always learned something new when you do
your episodes. I appreciate that. I

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hope other will do too. I
am very naturally am a pretty curious person,

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so I always I love hearing about
little tidbits like that related to the

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case. Well, thank you,
all right, here we go. Christina

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May Thomas, known as Tina,
was born on February thirteenth, nineteen seventy

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seven, in lun Stall, Germany. Kind of, I'm just going to

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tell a quick story, like I
am known as Tina. I was going

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to ask you that or my name
this is this is such a silly thing.

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But my name was supposed to be
Christina, but it's not. It's

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not. My name is Tina,
Tina Marie on your birth certificate. On

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my birth certificate, it's Tina Marie. And the story is that my mom

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was, you know, drugged up, passed out, and they asked my

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dad what my name was and he
said Tina, not Christina as he was

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supposed to and my no one ever
changed it on my birth ortain. Like,

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I don't really I think there's some
holes in that story. Maybe,

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but it's probably pretty uncommon for people
to have the actual first name of Tina.

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You think it's uncommon. Yeah,
I mean, I think most Tina's

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are Christina. Maybe I've always kind
of wanted to change it because I actually

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don't like the name Tina. But
anyway. Her mother, Mary Cynthia Waddell

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Ivy Burge Thomas or Cindy, married
Jerry Ivy when she was seventeen and still

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in high school. Their marriage didn't
last long. She married her second husband,

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Don Burge when she was nineteen.
Cindy and Dodd lived in Germany,

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where he served in the Army.
Tina was born there, but they returned

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to Midland, Texas when she was
about one. Cindy and Don divorced in

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June of nineteen seventy eight, and
Cindy soon met William Edwin Thomas the Third

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or Tommy, who was serving in
the Air Force at the time. Tommy

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and Cindy married and moved to Alabama, where Tommy's family was from. Well,

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the third time was the charm.
I'm happy to report Tommy and Cindy

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were very happy together. In nineteen
eighty, Tommy adopted three year old Tina

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and her last name was changed to
Thomas. Tina's sister, Alanda, was

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also born that year. The sisters
were best friends from the start, but

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her parents noticed that Tina never matched
the energy of Alanda or or other children.

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Although she was known for her sweet
disposition and dimpled smile, she tired

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easily. Around the age of five, Tina was diagnosed with a heart condition

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called paroxysmal superventricular tachycardia or PSVT.
That doesn't sound good. Can you tell

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me how good I did pronouncing that? Because that was I have no idea,

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but it sounded good to me.
PSVT can cause fainting, heart palpitations,

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rapid pulse, and convulsions. The
doctor insisted Tina's case was minor and

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prescribed her medication to stop the heart
palpitations. The condition didn't really affect her

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daily life, but she was never
very active or athletic. Tommy's outgoing personality

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made him a natural salesman. After
leaving the military, he began selling insurance.

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The Thomas family frequently moved through the
South. As he was promoted.

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In nineteen ninety one, they moved
to Mandeville, Louisiana, where Tina met

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Amanda Lorenz, who would become her
lifelong best friend. They were inseparable and

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even worked together as models for J
c. Penny after school. Tina was

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a bit of a Southern bell.
She embraced her femininity and enjoyed doing her

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hair and makeup, and she loved
fashion. She also loved Gone with the

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Wind, both the book and the
movie. In her bedroom, she had

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a framed poster from the movie,
a life sized cardboard cutout of Scarlett O'Hara,

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and a scarlet barbie that she never
took out of the box. She

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was a romantic at heart and waiting
for her rut butler, but romance eluded

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her while her sister and friends had
many suitors. She graduated from Mandeville High

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School in nineteen ninety five, then
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in mass communications. Tina continued modeling
part time and began working as a pharmacy

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technician. Tommy and Cindy moved back
to Alabama to a small town called Helena

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near Birmingham while Tina remained studying at
s LSU. She missed her family and

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eventually moved to Alabama with her parents, where she transferred to the University of

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Alabama. At Birmingham, she joined
a sorority and she was very active the

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sorority was Alpha Omicron Pie. In
nineteen ninety nine, Alanda, aged nineteen,

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got married. Tina was her maid
of honor, and in two thousand

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and one Amanda got married. Tina
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ten years older at the time,
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bit like an old maid, even
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lot of people in the South,
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and she was just a little I
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her dating life. Right in August
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twenty four, Tina had a procedure
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from since she was a child.
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finally had more energy and was ready
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vigor and determination. That's cool.
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you know, I say, like, she wasn't athletic, but she was

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a very vibrant. She was of
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a really great personality. People really
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about to tell you about was not
a room lighter upper. David Gabriel Watson,

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known as Gabe, is the oldest
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after his father, David. He
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baseball with three athletic sons, David
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sporty family. David coached his son's
teams when he could, and Glenda

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was their cheerleader. They were an
active family with endless sporting events, camping

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trips, and volunteering at their church. They owned a cottage on a lake

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that they went to as much as
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in nineteen ninety five, then attended
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took him seven years to finish his
undergraduate degree because he worked at the family

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business packing materials on supply in Birmingham
while attending college. Gabe is the only

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son who were of the family business. He was actually a huge asset to

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the company and helped modernize and stream
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Gabe had always loved being in the
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As a teenager, he fell in
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was to someday visit Australia and dive
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a Level four diver under the PADI
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He was trained how to identify stress
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Gabe planned to continue his dive training
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commercial diver. Are you with me
so far? I am okay? Tina

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met Gabe in a communications class at
the University of Alabama. Tina was still

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dating Stan and wasn't really interested at
Gabe. Gabe, however, was very

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interested. There are rumors that Gabe
stalked Tina like online, like on different

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forums. I found this, but
I not corroborate it, so it's possible

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that he stalked her. Yeah,
they were friendly and hung out sometimes in

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group settings. He bought her a
Christmas gift, a red Kate Spade spadebag

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that she'd had her eye on.
Red was her favorite color, so allegedly,

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stand her boyfriend at the time,
went to New York on a trip

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and she was like, Hey,
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And stand failed to get it for
I think she must have told the story

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to Gabe and Gabe was like,
hmmm, ah, he saw his inn.

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Yeah. Her relationship with Stan had
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she broke it off with him and
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on New Year's Eve. Tina was
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She had loved her close knit family, but sometimes they were overbearing and two

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opinionated, especially when it came to
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him in May, Gabe didn't make
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reserved, and moody. Tommy was
disappointed. He liked to be friendly

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and roast the people that Tina dated. Tommy tried to keep his feelings to

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himself, but he and Cindy noticed
the Gabe was gone a lot on the

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weekends, on fishing trips with the
guys or at his parents' cabin. Tina

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was left behind often. Sometimes she
went to the Watson's cabins, but outdoor

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activities just weren't her thing. But
she really did love Gabe's family. The

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Thomas could feel her slipping away.
They saw her rarely since she'd been dating

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Gabe. She was always at his
place. One night, Tina and Alanda

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were out for pizza. When Gabe
showed up. He was quiet and grumpy,

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making Alanda uncomfortable. She and Tina
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his presence had shifted the mood.
When the pizza came, Sorry I shouldn't

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laugh, Gabe picked up a piece
and threw it at Tina. I just

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laughed because they imagined like that happened. I'd be like, what is your

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problem? It's insane, I know. Shocked. Alanda didn't know what to

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do, so she left the restaurant. I'm pretty sure that happened to my

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sister. I'd be like, I
pump him, girl. I know.

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I think I would have been like, you apologize to my sister right now.

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He Gabe certainly wasn't winning any points
with the Thomas family. In January

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two thousand and three, Tina,
then twenty five, decided to take scuba

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diving lessons. Her parents thought it
was a bad idea. Tina had never

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been athletic and was generally risk averse. Diving also is a really expensive sport.

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A basic set of scuba gear will
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and certification cost about a thousand dollars. But Tina wanted to learn so she

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and Gabe could dive together. She
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condition and she wanted to try new
things. Tina was excited when classes began,

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but things didn't go as planned.
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it made her anxious, and to
make matters worse, she suffered a couple

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of lung infections. During her first
certification test, Tina had a panic attack

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and needed to be rescued. Her
structor cautioned her that diving wasn't for everyone

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and it was okay if she didn't
want to continue, but she told him

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Gabe would kill her if she didn't
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Her instructor later said that she was
the most nervous, panicky student he'd

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ever had. I really loved the
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I would be terrified. I'm the
same. The idea of it sounds so

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cool, like being in this other
world and seeing all these cool and beautiful

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things under the water. But man, I just would I think I would

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panic would, I would definitely panic. And I think something that people might

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not know until your underwater is it
soundless? And I think that would freak

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me out, like one of your
senses is pretty much completely gone. Right,

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So a new tension erupted in Tina's
relationship with her parents. She started

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seeing a therapist to work her way
through the problems with her family, and

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she ended up moving into her own
apartment. Up until this point, she

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had lived with her parents. Okay, and what how old was she at

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this point? I think she's about
twenty five. Several months into dating Tina,

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Gabe purchased an engagement ring. He
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his entertainment center. He was taunting
her. Tina knew it was there and

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was anxious that Gabe hadn't yet proposed. When they had a disagreement, Gabe

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would tell her he was going to
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Months literally passed and Tina was on
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She thought that maybe he was waiting
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they passed Thanksgiving, Christmas, New
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and still no ring. Gabe knew
that Tina wanted him to ask her father

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for his approval. When the time
came, finally, Tommy received the call

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from Gabe he was expecting. Tommy
told Gabe that he'd preferred to meet in

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person. They met at the coffee
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February fifteenth, two thousand and three, and had an awkward conversation. Tommy

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just couldn't shake the bad feeling in
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in Gabe's presence. When he asked
Gabe if he loved Tina, he didn't

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give a direct answer. The question
seemed to make him uncomfortable. As he

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drove away, Tommy realized he had
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that must must have given him solace
in the years to come. This might

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be an unpopular opinion, but in
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the idea of a woman waiting for
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Yes, and the man has to
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to mark her as his property,
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Do you think that's a little like
that's kind of bullshit? And it

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is kind of Yeah, I guess
I never really thought about it being a

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man, but yeah, you're right, and asking permission for a girl's parents

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seems a little archaic. Also,
Yeah, the whole thing is just it's

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just kind of weird. Yeah,
but I guess most girls seem to still

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like it. Yeah, I guess, I don't know, but I was.

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I was thinking about this case,
and I was just like, yeah,

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this just kind of like it made
me sad that she, poor Tina

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is just sitting there waiting for this
proposal for months. In a month and

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from a guy who through pizza at
her at a restaurant. That makes me

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sad. Also, it did seem
like she was settling a little bit.

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Yeah, So Tina became increasingly frustrated
by the lack of proposal. She and

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Gabe decided to take a break.
She started talking to Amanda's cousin, Xander,

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who lived in Atlanta. Tina and
Xander had a fling years before when

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they were in college, and she'd
always wondered what could have been. Xander

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invited her to come see him for
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chance. She felt young as free. As she drove her red Mazdamiata for

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three hours to Georgia. The weekend, however, wasn't the romantic get away

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she'd hope for. Things felt awkward
and they failed to ignite the spark that

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once had been there. Tina ended
up leaving early. She had been avoiding

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Gabe's calls all weekend, and finally
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him where she had been. He
was furious, but happy to have her

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back in his fold. On Easter
Sunday, April twentieth, two thousand and

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three, Gabe made an Easter egg
hunt for Tina, with plastic eggs hidden

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around her apartment. She loved holidays
and was very excited Gabe had finally done

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something thoughtful for her. She opened
the candy filled eggs and one had a

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note inside that said, will you
marry me? She screamed as he placed

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the three thousand, five hundred dollar
ring on her hand. She was very

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glad to be finally engaged, but
her friends and family were rested, less

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than effusive with their congratulations, and
some of them even actually said, like,

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she didn't seem quite as excited as
we thought she would, So three

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thousand, five hundred dollars that's a
pretty nice ring. Adjusted for inflation,

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Just in case anyone's wondering on air, it's five thousand, eight hundred dollars,

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So that's a pretty nice nice Yeah, we're not going to talk about

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the price of engagement rings because I
don't want to bring up any sold I'm

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just kidding. I love my ring. Wedding plans immediately ensued. Gabe's parents

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and grandparents had gifted him with a
trip to Australia after his long awaited graduation

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from college. Tina suggested that they
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honeymoon. The best months of the
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I think we said mentioned this earlier. Are quiz times summer for us,

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but in Australia it's the dry season, right like September and October. Okay,

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So the wedding and honeymoon moon were
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A few months before the wedding,
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and at the same time she discovered
that she was pregnant. Tina moved

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in with her to help her through
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Tina and Alanda had always been close
and in recent years they worked together

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at the department store Parisian as department
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Alanda was relieved to have the love
and support of her best friend and

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sister. I should say years years, years years ago. My sister and

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I worked together at the Piggy Wigley
and it was a lot of fun working

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together. That was a very fun
time. In June, Tina retested for

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her open water scuba certification and this
time she passed. She was very relieved.

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They had already put a deposit down
on the honeymoon, but she still

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needed the next level of certification to
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Gabe was most looking forward to the
Young Gala Wreck dive. The Angala

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Wreck dive is Australia's best known shipwreck
and one of the best dives along the

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Great Barrier Reef. I'm going to
talk about that more a little bit later.

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Gabe purchased travel insurance. He was
apparently a big believer insurance because he

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also told Tina to increase her life
insurance benefit at work to the maximum available

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coverage and be sure to change the
beneficiary to him. This did raise some

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eyebrows, though, especially to Tommy, who had sold insurance his whole life.

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He told Tina not to worry about
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honeymoon. A few months before the
wedding, the couple bought a house together

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and Hoover, Alabama, and Gabe
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his credit card so they could qualify
for a home loan, as her debt

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to income ratio would have made it
difficult to have a mortgage approved. They

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paid nearly one hundred ninety thousand dollars
for a brick and vinyl split level home

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on Oak Leaf Circle near Gabe's parents, who generously helped with a deposit,

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gave me. Tina trade in her
Mazda Miata for a Jeep Cherokee. He

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was six foot two and couldn't easily
fit into the Miata, and he made

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sure that his name was on the
title. So I've said Mazamata twice and

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you haven't. You haven't said anything. It's a cute card. But what

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would I say? You don't remember
this? No? What? What?

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What am I not remembering? Oh
my god, I want like when we

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were for that first dating, we
weren't married yet, and I really wanted

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it a Masdimiyata okay, and you
were like, no, really you don't

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remember this? No? Oh my
yeah, that was a huge It was

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a heat, like why would I
say no? What did I What was

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I supposed to? I think he
thought it was. I mean, I

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don't think they were the safest car. I think they're really cute. Yeah,

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you you didn't want me to get
it. You were really adamant about

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it. Oh, I'm a jerk. I'm surprised you don't remember it because

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that was you don't fight off of
it. I think that was a pretty

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big like yeah, and it wasn't
like now looking back, like you never

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tell me no to anything, so
that I'm shocked. I don't know.

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I'm surprised you don't remember this.
Well anyway, my apologies. It's okay,

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but it's still like now I'm old, and who want you know?

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Now I won't look as good at
a bride convertible. Oh you'd still look

406
00:28:55.240 --> 00:29:00.079
fine in a Masdamiata convertible. Well
I don't. Maybe we could. I

407
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.839
don't think they make most in means
anymore. I really do. Speaking of

408
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.680
vehicles, though, I really am
happy with the car that I have it.

409
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.680
I really like it. Yeah,
it's a Kia, which I don't

410
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.279
think i've ever I didn't say before
because I wasn't sure if I'd like it

411
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.119
or not, but I think it's
been great. It's a Key and Nero

412
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:21.599
keya Nero plug in hybrid, and
the gas mileage is insane. It really

413
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.279
is. Yeah, yeah, the
plug in part. I'm not sure why

414
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.400
I'm talking about this now, but
in case anyone's wondering, if you're looking

415
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.480
for a new car, I really
like it. All of some people would

416
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.400
be like Actually, someone literally said
to me the other day in a parking

417
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:33.039
lot. They were like, oh, your car's so cute, and I

418
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.799
was like thanks, and I told
her what it was, and it's like

419
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:38.480
it's a plug in hybrid hybrid,
and she was like, oh, I'm

420
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.160
not ready for all that, which
literally you just have to plug it in

421
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.599
and you get like thirty five miles
from the plug in part, which isn't

422
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.480
a ton if you're on a road
tart, but it's plenty for like just

423
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.480
local driving, which I was amazed
when you got it. Like you didn't

424
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.319
have to get gas for like it
seemed like for a month and a half

425
00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:03.359
or two months you didn't get gas
because it never used gas anyway. Tina's

426
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.160
childhood dog, a miniature Schnauzer named
Tiffy, died unexpectedly and she was heartbroken.

427
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.440
Gabe bought a black Lab puppy to
take Tiffy's place, but Tina didn't

428
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.680
love the new dog. It was
probably just too soon since her beloved Tiffy

429
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:21.480
had passed on October tenth, the
day of the wedding rehearsal and dinner,

430
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:25.279
Tina wasn't feeling well. She had
a cough and cold, with aches and

431
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:29.240
difficulty breathing. She went to the
doctor and they gave her medication and a

432
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.440
shot to help her feel better as
soon as possible. The day, off

433
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.880
to a rocky start, didn't get
any better. There was tension between the

434
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.920
families. It only met once previously
and hadn't really hit it off after the

435
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.039
engagement. That Thomases had invited the
Watsons over for dinner and Glenda said,

436
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:52.240
why we're not mirroring into your family? Gabe is the pastor. Craig Greer

437
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.720
later recalled it was the worst rehearsal
he had ever officiated. Chrissie mccampbell,

438
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.799
Tina's cousin, recalled Tina seemed little
quiet and pensive on the day of the

439
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.079
wedding. She even took her aside
and told her she didn't have to go

440
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.839
through with it, but Tina shrugged
it off and everything went off as planned.

441
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:12.359
Tina was a beautiful bride with a
classic off the shoulder dress. Her

442
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:18.000
bridesmaids wore purple and carried apricot roses. Despite a bumpy start, everyone was

443
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.559
on their best behavior and it was
a happy night for both families of celebration

444
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.039
and unity. But sadly, it
was the last time any of them saw

445
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:33.799
Tina alive. I haven't really described
to Tina and Gabe up to this point,

446
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:40.920
but Tina was just a really beautiful
blonde, blue eye, just flawless

447
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.599
complexion. She's actually done modeling,
right, I mean for the JC Penny

448
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:48.039
catalog. But yeah, she was
a very pretty, very pretty young woman.

449
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.279
And Gabe looks like a lump.
Oh. I saw a picture of

450
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.000
him. I did show you a
picture because I said, describe this person.

451
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.880
What did it showed? And I
can look up that word. I

452
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.640
did not know what we're all adults
here. Yeah, it's a it's a

453
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:10.759
slang word for a penis that is
very wide. He just he just looks

454
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:16.039
like I mean, it's not like
grossly unattractive or anything. He's just kind

455
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.200
of it looks like a lump.
He's just like this big kind of you

456
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.839
know, like a guy that played
football in high school. And how they

457
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.160
look like later, how they just
kind of it turns into like just fat

458
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.000
kind of. It wasn't like grossly
fat or anything. He's just a big

459
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.880
guy, just a big guy.
And whenever I saw I think the picture

460
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.519
I showed of you, when he
tries to smile, it just looks he

461
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:43.240
looks really uncomfortable. Yeah, so
I just don't have the best impression of

462
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.200
Gabe. The honeymoon was planned for
two weeks. We took a two week

463
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:51.400
honeymoon. We did and that was
my favorite thing. Yeah, it was

464
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:57.839
good anyway. The first leg was
for Tina. The newlyweds flew into Sydney.

465
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.000
They did touristy things like this,
the opera house and the zoo and

466
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:06.599
the aquarium. They were having a
wonderful time. On October twentieth, two

467
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.400
thousand and three, the second leg
of the honeymoon started. It was the

468
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.759
trip that Gabe had been dreaming of
since he was a kid. We kind

469
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.960
of did the same thing. The
first week was sort of for you.

470
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:19.039
We went to Disney World, and
the second week was for me. We

471
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.279
went to Jamaica and went to the
beach and stuff like that. I mean,

472
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:23.559
I don't think that was your dream
honeymoon. It was my dream,

473
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.039
but it was more you were.
Disney World was definitely more for you.

474
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.480
For sure. I would live at
Disney World if I know. It says

475
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.519
a lot about me. I know, people judge I'm not like a Disney

476
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:42.599
adult, but I love I love
Disney and superficial happiness. Yes, but

477
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.119
Tina was excited for the second week
too. Finding Nemo had just come out

478
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:50.079
that year, and she was looking
forward to finding Nemo and the Sea Turtles.

479
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:54.039
Gabe and Tina boarded a one hundred
footboat called the Spoil Sport in Townsville,

480
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.960
Queensland for a seven day diving excursion
with the mic Ball Diving Expedition.

481
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:06.240
There were twelve crew, crew members
and twenty five passengers. Everyone boarding the

482
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.360
boat was super excited and friendly.
Each guest brought their own gear, except

483
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.760
for oxygen tanks that were already on
board the ship. After getting settled,

484
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:21.119
each passenger was interviewed by Wade Singleton
thirty four, a master scuba diving instructor

485
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:25.280
who was the trip director. He
inquired about each divers level of training,

486
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:31.159
number of dives, health history,
medications, etc. Wade allow Tina and

487
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:37.719
Gabe to be interviewed together, even
though this was against company regulations. The

488
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.599
divers are supposed to be interviewed alone
so their answers can't be influenced by each

489
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.440
other. Tina did not mention the
heart issue that she had had surgery to

490
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:50.639
repair, and Wade didn't ask Gabe
or Tina about the number of ocean dives

491
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.599
that they had completed. The divers
were given a rating based on their experience

492
00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:00.079
and training, which dictated which dives
they would allowed to be go on from.

493
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:06.840
Green were less experienced divers, Yellow
for intermediate, and read for more

494
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:12.239
experienced divers. Are you with me
so far? The Angala dive was ranked

495
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.199
as a red dive. It was
challenging because of its depth, strong current,

496
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.840
and difficulty to navigate. The Angala
was typically saved for the last dive

497
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.280
of the week as it was the
most challenging, but if the weather was

498
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.519
better earlier in the week, the
order of the dives was switched. Due

499
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.360
to her lack of experience, Tina
was required to do an orientation dive with

500
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:37.000
an instructor at night, but according
to the mic Ball Diving policy, she

501
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:43.719
should have been required to do a
supervised orientation dive. Wade suggested that her

502
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.679
first dive should be supervised, but
she refused. Everyone on the boat was

503
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:52.800
friendly and thought Gabe and Tina were
a very cute couple, and they were.

504
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:58.400
They were put in the luxury estate
room because they had been because they

505
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.159
were on their honeymoon. I've seen
pictures of this room and it is not

506
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.039
what you would consider a luxury.
Well, I think gets you know,

507
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.000
you're on a boat. It's not
a huge boat, and in any boat,

508
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:14.599
the rooms are small, but it's
just the room just I think it

509
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:16.559
might have handed on sweet bathroom.
Maybe that was what made a luxury I

510
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:22.000
think some of the guest rooms had
a shared bathroom. It took three hours

511
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:27.079
to travel the forty eight nautical miles
from the dock and Townsville, Queensland,

512
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.519
to the Young Gala shipwreck. The
anchor dropped at one fifteen am near thee

513
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.760
You're the Young Gala wreck while most
of the crew and passengers slept. There

514
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:42.559
are twelve different levels of scuba diving
certification, according to the PADI Certification program.

515
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:46.880
One through five are considered recreational and
six through twelve professional. The certification

516
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.840
is based on the number of hours
in a classroom and the number of dives

517
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.519
you've done. Level one you're allowed
to dive at a maximum depth of forty

518
00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:00.320
feet and must be accompanied by a
professional diver. Tina had passed her level

519
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.119
to certification meeting. She could dive
to a depth of eighteen meters or fifty

520
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.880
nine feet. Gabe was a Level
four diver, a rescue diver. He

521
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:14.199
was trained to look after other divers
and identify anyone in distress and be able

522
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:19.280
to help them. Every diver is
required to keep a detailed dive log of

523
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.400
the depth, length, gases,
buddy, etc. Tina had about eleven

524
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:28.039
dives, all in pools or in
an old quarry where she had trained.

525
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.400
Gabe had over fifty dives, but
he had only dived in the ocean once

526
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:37.719
before in Mexico several years prior to
the Honeymoon. Okay, no, I'm

527
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.400
going to tell you a little bit
about the Young Gala. The SS Young

528
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:45.159
Gala was a cargo and passenger steamship
that sank in nineteen eleven off the coast

529
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:50.599
of Queensland after a cyclone hit the
area, resulting in the depths of all

530
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.239
one hundred twenty two people aboard.
Though the ship had room for two hundred

531
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:59.280
forty passengers on the day of the
wreck, seventy three passengers and forty nine

532
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.400
crew members our board, including a
race horse named Moonshine, which was the

533
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.079
only body that was found washed ashore. The shipwreck was found in nineteen fifty

534
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:14.039
eight by free divers in near perfect
condition, after decades of speculation about where

535
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:19.039
the missing ship had sunk. The
Youngala shipwreck is three hundred sixty feet long,

536
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.199
so that's pretty long. The Spoil
Sport is one hundred feet long,

537
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:28.000
so it's over three times the size
of the Spoil Sport, where ten thousand

538
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.360
people visit the site each year.
It's known as one of the ten best

539
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.280
shipwrecks in the world, known for
its vast marine life, including over one

540
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:39.039
hundred twenty two species of tropical fish
and sea turtles in the center of the

541
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:45.679
Great Barrier reef. It's unique because
it's become its own unique reef structure covered

542
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:51.960
in colorful coral cool. Okay,
another it's just a tiny little rabbit hole

543
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.639
here. Another one. The rabbit
holes always have rabbit holes. The oldest

544
00:38:55.639 --> 00:39:01.679
known shipwreck is the Docos shipwrecked in
the a GNC from somewhere between twenty two

545
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.599
hundred to twenty seven hundred BC.
Although the ship dissolved in the sea,

546
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:12.599
clay pottery was found at the site
and excavated. Hundreds of clay artifacts were

547
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:16.320
found, consisting of over five hundred
vases, cops, and plates of the

548
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.320
Heladic period before the invention of the
pottery wheel. Archaeologists assume the items were

549
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.960
meant to be traded, and the
pottery is over four thousand years old.

550
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:32.480
That's essential. Yeah, Okay,
so now you got you have a vision

551
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.480
of the young galaship, right,
I do, which I have to say

552
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:37.840
I have kind of like mixed feelings
about, Like, you know, we

553
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:44.400
recently had that Titanic. Oh yeah, the submersible. Yeah, the summers

554
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.000
they had that. I think it's
kind of weird because we know one hundred

555
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:51.320
and twenty people like this is their
their grain and their tomb, and to

556
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.000
dive it just becomes like a tourists
destination. Yeah. It's a little bits

557
00:39:54.719 --> 00:40:00.679
a little uncomfortable. Yeah, as
long as people are respectful, right,

558
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.960
Yeah. And I don't think you're
supposed to go into the You're supposed to

559
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:08.639
dive along it. The next morning, October twenty two, two thousand and

560
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:14.400
three, the dive instructors took a
preliminary dive to assess the conditions and noted

561
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:19.159
perfect weather, what the current was
strong. Before the excited divers could get

562
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.360
into the water, they were given
a forty minute briefing by Wade Singleton about

563
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:28.960
water conditions, procedure, and safety
protocol. He gave very specific instructions as

564
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.000
how the dive should proceed and caution
the divers that the current was swift.

565
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:36.800
At nine thirty am, Teina and
Gabe put on their wetsuits and gear.

566
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:42.400
Gabe helps Tina because she had forgotten
where some of the equipment went. Among

567
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:47.960
the equipment is a BCD, or
buoyancy control device, which wraps around the

568
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.920
body like a vest and buckles in
the front. The air tank is connected

569
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:59.039
to the back of the BCD.
The BCD allows a diver to control their

570
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.719
buoyancy underwater by adding or releasing air
to the vest By the way, the

571
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.079
air tank is filled with seventy eight
percent nitrogen, twenty one percent oxygen,

572
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:14.480
and the remaining other gases, just
like the air in her atmosphere. The

573
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:17.480
divers would be doing a drift dive. There were two lines. One was

574
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.119
attached to the dive platform at the
surface of the water to the top and

575
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.599
then it went down to the top
of the shipwreck. The divers would then

576
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:30.559
drift across the Young Gala shipwreck with
the current and then grab another line to

577
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.159
help them ascent to the surface.
Can you picture that. Yeah, So

578
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.920
remember it's three hundred and sixty feet
long. This, so they're going from

579
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:43.679
you know, they hold onto the
chain or rope and then and then the

580
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:45.559
current takes them down the shipwreck and
then they go back up. Then they

581
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.440
go back up the other line exactly. Support staff was offered to any divers

582
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.079
that felt uncomfortable or wanted to guide. Wade Singleton checked in with Tina and

583
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:58.079
asked if she wanted to do a
guided dive with him, and she said

584
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.639
no, She'd be with Gabe and
she fell safe. She said she would

585
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.880
dive with weight later on during the
night dive. I think I might have

586
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.400
said this, but I think they're
supposed to do four to five dives a

587
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:14.199
day, and none of the dives
are You're not supposed to be underwater super

588
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.760
long. I think most of them
are like thirty minutes. Over the course

589
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.440
of the week on the Spoil Sport
there were twenty five planned dives, and

590
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.920
I should mention the importance of a
dive buddy. Tina and Gabe were dive

591
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:30.679
buddies. It's dangerous for any diver
to go alone. You should always have

592
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.719
your buddy, and you are never
supposed to leave your dive buddy. They

593
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.440
should always be in your vision.
As divers immersed themselves into the cool,

594
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:44.000
seventy seven degree water, they were
immediately struck by the current. It wasn't

595
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.599
unmanageable, but required a strong kick
and focus. The divers were amazed by

596
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.559
the abundance and diversity of the marine
life. Tina and Gabe went into the

597
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.280
water for their first dive and went
down a few feet. When Gabe realized

598
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.320
that his dive computer wasn't working.
It was beeping, alerting him that it

599
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.320
was malfunctioning. A dive computer is
a device that looks like a watch and

600
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.840
it you wear it on your wrist
and it forms the diver of the depth

601
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.599
and length of their dive, as
well as the air and their tank,

602
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:15.960
which is important to know when you
should return to the surface. Understandable,

603
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.760
Yeah, Divers are told to monitor
their air. One third is for the

604
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:24.440
descent and a third is for your
ascent back up. But you're always supposed

605
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:30.519
to leave at least one third of
your tank for emergencies. The dive computer

606
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ensures a safe ascent. It alerts
the diver if they are going too fast,

607
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:42.719
preventing decompression, sickness or bends,
which occurs when the pressure changes too

608
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.199
quickly. You're supposed to like kind
of hang out like when you ascend.

609
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.440
You're supposed to hang out for stop
at certain points. Yeah, supposed to

610
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:53.519
just equalize the pressure. Gavantina had
to go back to the Spoil Sport to

611
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.840
have his dive computer looked at,
but when they got there, he realized

612
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.760
the battery was just inserted backwards,
which would later be called into question.

613
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.400
If the batteries were in backwards,
how was it beeping, and it did

614
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.880
record the first dive. Tina added
more weight to the pockets of her BCD,

615
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.559
as much as twenty pounds during this
time. Okay, so divers have

616
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to add weight because some of the
they have a hard time controlling their buoyancy.

617
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Some divers are too buoyant. Some
divers aren't buoyant enough, so you

618
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.440
have to add because when you're underwater, you're essentially weightless, so you're using

619
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your BCD to get up and down. Do you know I'm not a divers,

620
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.239
so some of this is this technical
stuff has a little confusing. Some

621
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:43.320
divers use a belt and the belt
has extra weight in it. But I

622
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.320
believe Tina had in her vest,
she had little pockets where she could put

623
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:52.960
these little weights in, and she
added as much as twenty pounds. Experts

624
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.519
would later say that Tina added too
much weight and eight pounds would have been

625
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:01.000
the appropriate amount, and they called
her grossly overweight. Did some divers struggle

626
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:05.599
more than others with being extra buoyant
and adding the weight it helps them descend

627
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.719
more efficiently. Gabe fixed the battery
in his dive computer and they were taken

628
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back to the dive platform. Guests
are transported back and forth by tenders.

629
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Do you know what a tender is? No, I don't because of my

630
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:24.159
exclusive viewing of Bravo's blowdeck, which
really came in handy at this episode.

631
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It's just a smaller a little like
speedboat kind of thing. They just take

632
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.280
you back and forth between the you
know, the smaller or the larger boats

633
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and the dive decks. So they
were taken back and they re entered the

634
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water. There was another ship called
the Jazz two that was moored near the

635
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Spoil Sport. It was a smaller
ship, about fifty feet with thirteen people

636
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:50.159
on board, and they were also
descending in to see the Young Gala Rack

637
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.320
at the same time as the Spoil
Sport. It isn't clear what happened next,

638
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:59.440
but a thirty year old er doctor
named Stanley Stutz, who was a

639
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.159
passenger on the Jazz too, was
descending along the anchor rope to the wreck

640
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.519
and saw Tina in the water with
her blonde hair trailing behind her. Her

641
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body was in a horizontal position,
which is not right, shouldn't. His

642
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:19.039
assessment was that she was in trouble. Her limbs were flailing about and in

643
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:23.360
an unproductive manner. Her eyes were
wide and fear her regulator. I don't

644
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:25.599
think I've talked about the regulator yet. Do you know what that is.

645
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.199
It's like the part that goes in
your mouth, the breathing apparatus that is

646
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:35.719
connected to the air tank. It
remained in her mouth. He saw a

647
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.719
larger male who he would later identify
his Gabe, swim over to help her.

648
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:43.760
He put his hands under her armpits
and embraced her in a bear hug,

649
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:45.880
as if trying to lift her up. For as long as thirty seconds,

650
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:52.280
Doctor Sand couldn't clearly see what was
happening, but he saw Gabe ascend

651
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.119
without Tina as she drifted downwards.
He said, at no time did he

652
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:04.400
see any interaction that could be an
interpeted gave a readjusting his mask and regulator.

653
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.320
Doctor Stan was too far away to
reach Tina as her body began sinking.

654
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.639
By the time that he had notified
his dive guide, Wade Singleton,

655
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was on his way to Tina.
He was doing an orientation dive with another

656
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:22.800
Newlywood couple, Dawn Asana and Gary
Stempler. They were both experienced divers,

657
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:27.679
but Don had requested that Wade keep
close to her because it had been a

658
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.760
while since she dived. Gary was
testing out his new underwater camera by snapping

659
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.639
a few pictures of Dawn as she
explored the wreck. It was then that

660
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he knowingly captured a picture of Tina, motionless on the floor of the sea.

661
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.360
Wade saw Tina out of the corner
of his eye and immediately swam over

662
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.719
to her, noting the lack of
bubbles coming from the regulator in her mouth.

663
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.239
Her eyes were open, but she
was unresponsive. He quickly noted that

664
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:59.599
she still had plenty of air in
her tank and her BCD was empty,

665
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:05.320
dropped his weight belt and inflated both
his own and Tina's BCD and began the

666
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:08.400
ascent. He ignored his beeping dive
computer, warning him that he was ascending

667
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:13.159
too quickly. He knew Tina's life
was in his hands and brushed off any

668
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.719
worry for his own health. He
traveled eighty nine feet to the surface of

669
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:22.840
the water in just ninety two seconds
while tightly clutching Tina. Are you with

670
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.320
me? Yeah? So. A
minute before Wade's re entry with Tina,

671
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.599
Gabe had made it to the surface, yelling help help. He explained somewhat

672
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.639
incoherently that Tina was in trouble and
he hadn't been able to lift her,

673
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.519
but couldn't communicate her location. It
had taken Gabe two to three minutes to

674
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:44.760
ascend the fifteen meters to the surface. Rescue divers were quickly dispatched and ready

675
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.599
to descend into the waters when Wade
and Tina appeared about a minute later.

676
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.920
Wade had covered twice the distance and
half the time as Gabe, with Tina

677
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.480
as her limp body was brought to
the surface. There was foam, blood,

678
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:00.960
and vomit coming from Tina's mouth.
Her eyes were fixed and dilated.

679
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:06.119
There wasn't much water coming from her
mouth, which isn't typical in a drowning.

680
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.119
The Jazz two diving platform was closer, so Wade brought Tina. There

681
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:15.320
were several people helped by quickly stripping
Tina of her dive gear and scuba suit

682
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:22.360
to prepare her for chest compressions,
while Wade cast his equipment aside. Tina

683
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.719
didn't have a pulse and there was
no d strip of lead or aboard either

684
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:29.960
boat. While life saving measures were
being administered to Tina on the dock,

685
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:32.960
Gabe was back on the spoils board, crying and trying to explain to the

686
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:39.239
other divers why he'd abandoned his new
wife rather than helping her himself when he

687
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:44.519
was a trained and certified rescue diver. He said that she'd grabbed at his

688
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.760
mask and tried to take the regulator
out of his mouth. Every diver has

689
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:53.199
a secondary air source called an octopus
on them, so what he should have

690
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:58.639
done was grabbed it and given it
to her. When he saw that she

691
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.039
was flailing, He said that he
tried to hold her, but he lost

692
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:07.880
grip and she began to sink.
Instead of trying to regain her in his

693
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.320
grasp, he made a calculated decision
to ascend to the surface and call for

694
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.760
help. The remaining divers on the
spoil Sport tried to comfort Gabe, but

695
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:22.159
couldn't help wondering what really had happened
and why he wasn't with his wife while

696
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.000
Wade and the others tried to revive
Tina. Doctor John Downey, thirty six,

697
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.400
an emergency room physician from Chicago,
was on board the Spoil Sport when

698
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:36.320
he was summoned to the Jazz Too. He worked on resuscitating Tina for forty

699
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:40.880
minutes. Usy Burney, a master
diver who had taught medical first aid while

700
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.559
in the Israeli Army, was by
the doctor's side doing NonStop chest compressions.

701
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:52.119
Doctor Downey inserted an ivy and administered
five doses of epinephrin to Tina and two

702
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:57.119
doses of light acane. They checked
her dive computer to get a better picture

703
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.519
of what had happened in the water. She'd been on the water for ten

704
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.039
minutes at a maximum depth of eighty
nine feet. Her dive computer displayed the

705
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.519
message too fast because of Wade's quick
assent with her during the rescue. Her

706
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.639
blood nitrogen appeared to be within the
normal range, and her oxygen take was

707
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:19.159
at two thousand psi, about two
thirds full. Tina's gear was set aside

708
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.679
to be taken back to the spoil
sport and not to be touched again until

709
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:27.960
an investigation could take place. Doctor
Stan, who had witnessed Tina flailing underwater,

710
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:31.519
re emerged to be of assistance.
He quickly assessed the situation and said

711
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:36.000
there was nothing else that could be
done for Tina. That's so sad.

712
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.880
Every time I just can't choke it
back. I'm just like I can feel

713
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:45.679
myself getting emotional. He called the
time of death at eleven twenty seven am.

714
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:51.119
So yeah, as headly she died. Yeah. Doctor John Downey took

715
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.880
a tender back to the spoil Sport
to tell Gabe the tragic news. Gabe

716
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:59.280
fell to the floor and sobbed,
while John Ken and other passengers tried to

717
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.039
console him. Gabe asked to go
see Tina, but not before trying to

718
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:07.719
explain again what had transpired underwater.
Quote. We went down to about forty

719
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.800
five feet. We'd started to dive
along the wreck. At some point Tina

720
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.519
signaled that she wanted to turn around
and head back. Her eyes were wide

721
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:19.199
open. We turned around to start
heading back and I grabbed her hand.

722
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.199
She seemed to relax, but then
suddenly tried to grab my regulator from my

723
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.320
mouth and to grab my mask.
I couldn't tow her anymore, and I

724
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:32.119
let her go and she sank to
the bottom. Gabe would repeat many times

725
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:36.800
later that Tina had grabbed at his
mask and had filled with water. When

726
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.480
he took the time to empty the
mask of water with both hands, he

727
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:44.840
lost focus on her and she quickly
fell out of his reach, sinking to

728
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.920
the bottom. He claimed that he
tried to go after her, but realized

729
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.199
she was sinking faster than he could
swim to her, even though she was

730
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.679
less than ten feet away. He
decided to ascend to the top and get

731
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:59.559
help. Gabe may have panicked and
forgotten to release some of the air from

732
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:05.119
his beast CD, making it near
impossible to descend further. Gabe was taken

733
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.320
by tender to the jazz Who's diving
deck where Tina lay. The people there

734
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:12.840
that had tried to revive her were
still there. They left to give Gabe

735
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.280
some time alone with Tina. After
a few minutes, he said he was

736
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:19.760
ready to go back to the Spoil
Sport. Tina's body was putting a body

737
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.559
bag and taken back to the boat, where he's putting a cold, air

738
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:28.360
conditioned cabin along with her gear.
I was a little surprised that they had

739
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.760
body bags on board. I mean, I know you have to prepare for

740
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:37.280
worst case. But the door of
the cabin was locked by order of the

741
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.480
water police, who had been contacted
by the boat's staff until they could assess

742
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:46.199
the situation. When the Spoil Sport
returned to land, it took three hours

743
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:50.599
to get back to the mainland.
Gabe addressed the passengers on the ship.

744
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.920
He said, quote, I want
to thank those people who have been supportive

745
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:57.079
of me, supportive of me and
the past hours, as you know,

746
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.360
as you know, my wife died
today. This just really sucks. End

747
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:07.760
quote. There were conflicting reports as
to whether he was playing or not.

748
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.079
A Gabe was seen sitting at a
table where people were playing cards on the

749
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:14.519
trip back to Townsville. A passengers
noted that he didn't look like a husband

750
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:19.679
who had just lost his wife.
Suspicious, I mean a little suspicious.

751
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:24.000
I'll be interested to hear more about
the investigation because I've always felt like scuba,

752
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:27.559
like scuba diving, if you were
going to kill someone, it would

753
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.079
be the perfect way to do it
and get away with it because there's,

754
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.000
you know, nobody to really witness
what happens under the water, right,

755
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.280
And it sounds like there were a
couple of people that sort of saw things

756
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.760
that happen. But it just seems
like it would be it would be hard

757
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:47.840
to it would be hard for investigators
to really identify in intent on Gabe's part

758
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:52.119
of killing her. Well, we'll
just have to wait and see. I

759
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.920
know, therefore, there were I
don't know how many people are underwater,

760
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.519
but I think there could have been
as many as twenty five people underwater.

761
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.840
Right, But it's a big area, you know, because it was an

762
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.639
expedition. It wasn't just a couple
of people. It was like a whole

763
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:05.719
you know, a whole group of
people. And I think they were all

764
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.559
it was their first introductory dive,
right, So I think there were a

765
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:13.440
lot of people underwater. Yeah,
well, I'll look forward to hearing the

766
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.079
rest of it. What do you
think of Gape so far? I mean,

767
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:20.239
you know, so far, you
haven't said other than the pizza incident.

768
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.400
You know, you haven't said anything
that was makes him into too horrible

769
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:28.719
of a person. I mean,
obviously I don't like him because you told

770
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.159
me I wasn't gonna like him.
So I don't know, we'll see a

771
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:36.039
Part two should be really interesting.
So I hope you all come back for

772
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.199
part two. I'm going to end
it here. Please don't throw things at

773
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:43.320
me. But yeah, this is
a there's a lot. There's a lot

774
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:46.840
in part two, and you there
are definitely some things in part two where

775
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:53.079
you're going to be like, huh, that happened I can't wait. Yeah,

776
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:58.679
so before we start part two,
can I have another cookie? Uh?

777
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.360
No, Well you mean by I
mean I've been good. I've been

778
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:06.880
listening, I've been paying attention.
You told me that until we went on

779
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.320
vacation that you didn't want to eat
any treats, and I already give you

780
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:15.000
half a cooky. I'm gonna have
another half. Well, I guess I

781
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.840
can't stop you. You are bigger
than me. Well, it's always thank

782
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:21.639
you so much for listening. We
really appreciate it. We really do.

783
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:27.519
We really really do. Follow us
on Facebook or Instagram, Love Mary Kill,

784
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:34.000
threads, or Twitter, send us
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785
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:39.480
gmail dot com. Cook Oh yeah, I love talking to you guys.

786
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:44.719
So people always message me be like, oh, I know you're really busy.

787
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:45.760
I'm like, I'm never too busy
to talk to you guys. It

788
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.679
really makes it worthwhile for us when
we hear it does, because that's the

789
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.840
only positive reinforcement we have. Yes, I was, I was just gonna

790
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.800
mention. Reviews are also a nice
bit of positive reinforcement. So if you

791
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.679
have a minute, leave us a
review or rating on any where you listen.

792
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:04.960
If you don't, just yeah,
I just move along, move al

793
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.159
But if you don't like, because
you probably haven't made it to the rest

794
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.679
the end of this episode, but
anyway, until next time, don't kill

795
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:59.400
your wife, don't kill your husband. Hi. I'm Tina and I'm rich

796
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:05.320
and if they're There's one thing I've
learned is that I'm bad at podcasting. M