Tina and Gabe Watson - Part 2

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Hi. I'm Tina and I'm Rich. And if there's one thing we've learned

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in over twenty years of marriage,
it's that some days you'll feel like killing

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your wife and some days you'll feel
like killing your husband. Welcome to love,

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Mary, Kill, Hey Rich,
Hey Tina, how are you?

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You came back for part number two? I sure did. I can't wait,

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really, I can't. Yeah,
I'm fascinated. I am. I

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love a good scuba diving story,
and there are a lot of scuba diving.

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Well. I read a book,
actually, I read a book twice

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called Shadow Divers. It's kind of
funny because I read it and then years

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later I started reading it again,
not knowing that, not remembering that I

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had already read it, and I
got like halfway through it before I was

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like, God, this sounds so
familiar. I've had that happened before.

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And then I finished it because it
was a really good book. Actually,

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but it was about these people who
do like deep sea diving, like they

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go to the deepest depths to look
at shipwrecks, and I could possibly go,

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yeah, it was really like,
okay, hold on, I think

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I hear someone calling mom, hold
on, we're back. Yeah, someone

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had to someone's going to get dinner
because yeah, because mom is podcasting.

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What were we talking about diving?
Yeah? The book? I should probably

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read that because I am this.
This episode was really interesting to me.

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I didn't know a lot about diving. I still don't know a ton about

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diving. But it's really fascinating book. Yeah, it's terrifying. Also,

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I only have time to read books
about true crime, right, I know.

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So we're back from vacation. What
a wonderful time we had. I'm

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sure we did. And we had
an anniversary, happy related anniversary. Thank

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you for the lovely gift? Oh, thank you. I think I've done

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that many times. I know is
a big one. Yea four hundred years

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together, four hundred years. It's
amazing, hard to believe, it seems

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like only that's not fair, all
right? So what else would you like?

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My shirt? Yeah? Lovely?
You do look you always like lovely.

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But yes, it's a nice guy. I got it. I costco.

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It's a really, it's a really. It's by the time anyone hears

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this, it'll probably be gone.
But I don't know if it was ten

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or fifteen dollars, but it's like
this nice little cap sleeve T shirt.

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It's really comfy. It's soft and
it has like terry lining kind of.

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It's really comfy. Costco does they
do a pretty good job. I end

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up getting a lot of clothing from
for both of us. Actually at Costco,

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do we get kids clothes clothing for
No, they get expensive clothing for

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creep by Costco and old navy clothing. It's like to be a parent.

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Sure is uh? So? Oh
snack brought you? I brought you a

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special snack. Are you ready for
it? Yeah? Ice water? You

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were really nice. I was in
a hurry. And what did you say

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to me when you handed me this
ice You made me this ice water?

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What did you? Oh? I
said, I put lemon in it.

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But I think that it's very possible
that a lemon seed might have gotten in

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it, so be careful choking.
You know, it was just set up

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well, you just don't want to
You don't want to be drinking water out

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of a straw when you don't realize
that there's a lemon seed in it.

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Right, So it does it does
happen? Yeah, thank you very much.

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I am really into the lemon ice
water lately, which our dentists probably

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wouldn't like I did bring a real
snack though, you did? Yeah?

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I did? Yeah, okay,
oh some Michigan Actually they're not Michigan cherries,

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are they. I think they're Canadian
cherries. They're delicious, They're good.

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There's still good cherries, really good. Yeah. Trying, we're trying

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to do some healthier snacks kind of
sort of try and eat more protein.

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Yeah, and so I brought brought
some chomps. Chomps is sounds like a

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dog, it really does. You're
right. This is the original beefstick.

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It is ninety calories, nine grams
of protein, zero sugar. Wow.

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So yeah, it's a good snack. I actually got them for our son,

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who just that kid loves a beef
jerky. He really is one of

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his big things. And he's going
away to Actually he's already there. I

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hope he's having a good first day. But yeah, he left for college.

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So we got him a bunch of
snacks and I stole one of these

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so we could try cool. Do
you want to try it or do you

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wanna? Yeah, I'll try it. Okay, all right, we'll be

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right back. Well, big thumbs
up on the cherries, the chomp thing.

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It was all right, I don't
know, and I didn't love it,

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So I that was the first bite
of food I've had today, and

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I thought it was I think they're
I think they're pretty tasty, and the

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cherries are delicious. Love cherries.
Can you tell me something about cherries and

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Michigan. Well, you know,
I've always known that Michigan grows a very

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large percentage of the world's cherries,
but I didn't I looked up because it's

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off of Wikipedia. So, uh, Michigan grows seventy five percent of the

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world's tart cherries, but only twenty
percent of the world's sweet cherries. Okay,

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gotcha, Yeah, actually not in
the world United States. So seventy

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five percent of the tart cherries in
the United States are growing in Michigan.

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China grows a lot of cherries too, right, I don't know, probably,

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yeah, so Michigan if you ever
go up north, which I know

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people are probably tired of me talking
about Cheriver City, but Cheiver City is

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like the cherry capital, right,
and just lots of good cherry stuff.

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The Cherry Republic. Well, the
really good thing too, is there's a

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there's like a farm, a farm
stand up there a farm store or whatever,

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and they sell they sell cherry donuts
frisk is frisk frisks orchard f ri

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s k ees. I actually have
we These cherry donuts are like one of

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the best things you've ever eaten in
your life. They're so good. I'm

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sure we had I'm sure we stopped
there. If we didn't, I'm going

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to be really mad at you.
But it's it's a they're so good.

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Yeah. I have looked to see
if you can have them shipped and you

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can't. They're one of our favorite
treats for sure. And what else about

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Traverse City? Oh, do you
want to talk about the house? Oh,

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it's too depressing, so go ahead. As you know, I am

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obsessed with real estate and I look
on realtor dot com all the time.

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And even though we are at least
two years away from moving, we are

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thinking we're going to go move up
to Traverse City and that'll be like where

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we live out our years, well
at least the next ten years or so.

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I don't know. Yeah, but
yeah, I've looked and I found

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this house and it was perfect.
It was like the perfect house. But

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we didn't see it in person,
right, we saw the perfect house,

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and we were serious. I've showed
it. I sent it to you,

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and I sent it to you and
I said, I remember writing texting you

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this and saying, I don't know
why I just sent this to you,

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and you texted me back and said
I love it. Yeah, And so

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that I was like, oh,
which is great, which is one of

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the great things about us, Like
we tend to agree on important things like

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that we do, which I'm very
grateful for. So when I called the

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realtor and I said, hey,
well yeah, because we are so we

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are not ready to buy a house
right now, but we thought, well

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maybe I mean, this is the
perfect house for us. If it is,

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then maybe we buy it now,
and maybe we could airbnb it rented,

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you know, for a couple of
years until we're ready to move up

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there, and then we could you
know, go, which is something we've

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thought out for a few years now. Yeah, but every time we go

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to maybe buy the airbnb house,
it's well, what happened in this case

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is that, well, you called
the realtor, but then I started looking

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up like the laws and where this
particular house is located, the township where

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it's located. They basically have outlawed
Airbnb. It's like short short term rentals.

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They have outlawed because they don't like
people coming up in partying or whatever.

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So essentially it wasn't an option anymore. So yeah, very sad.

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Yeah, we were going to drop
everything and go see the house and had

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an offer with within a day or
two. So it was a great house.

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It was on the was on the
water, and really there's probably not

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many other houses that are going to
be that perfect. Well, you know,

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I'm going to keep you up today
on net. Yeah, all right,

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So I hope that wasn't too boring. Do you want to do a

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little recap? I'll help you.
Okay, I can try, I can

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try. I mean I really don't
have a lot of notes. So the

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story overall seems I mean a lot
of it was just background setting up their

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you know, their childhoods and things
like that. So there was Tina,

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I don't remember her maiden named Thomas, was it Tina? Thomas grew up

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in like Louisiana in the South at
different places. Her dad moved around because

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mostly in Alabama, but yeah,
they did, Yeah, they did go

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to Louisiana for a bit. Yeah, and she seems like a lovely person

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had a couple of sisters, right, and did one sister? Just one?

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She had two? Okay, she
worked as a pharmacy tech I believe

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she did while she was in college. But she worked as a department manager

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store, and her sister managed another
department at the parish. Right, and

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her sister was I think three years
younger than her, and her sister got

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married before she did, which made
her feel a little bit like she was

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getting to be an old maid even
though she was. She was she you're

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right, She was a lovely,
beautiful young woman, and she was dating

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a guy named Stan, and then
she met Gabe. Gabe was pretty aggressive

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in pursuing her stand didn't buy her
the purse that she was hinting at,

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and Gabe did buy her the purse
a little surprise prior to them dating.

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Yeah, kind of was pretty good, and it was good. Gabe was

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kind of a jerk, though.
He threw pizza at her at a restaurant

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in front of her sister, which
I just can't even I never threw a

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piece of pizza at anyone. I
never would, And if someone threw a

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piece of pizza at me, I
think that would be the end of the

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relationship. Really, I can't.
I don't know. Maybe there's a reason

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that you could throw a piece of
pizza at someone and continue seeing them,

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but that would be that would be
a tough one. I think she was

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a pretty nice girl. Something that
happened more towards episode one than I didn't

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mention. Like people, you know, when something like this happens, people

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are just searching for any kind of
clue that they can grab onto, leading

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them one way or another. And
while Tina was packing for the honeymoon,

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Gabe was videoing her and he said
say goodbye as the camera. She was

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like by camera, and then he
said I think he said blow a kiss

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to the camera, and she blew
a kiss, and so people were like,

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oh, yeah, so that was
one of the things that happened.

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But yeah, they got married and
Gabe was really into scuba diving, and

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so he kind of wanted Tina.
Tina had some health problems when she was

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younger with her heart. She was
able to get that corrected. Eventually,

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she had some surgery to help fix
with that, which allowed her to become

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more active, and so Gabe really
wanted her to take up scuba diving,

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and so she did, even though
she was kind of terrified of it,

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but she did go through the lessons
and everything. And then for their honeymoon

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they went to Australia. The first
week was sent well, the first week

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was spent kind of doing what Tina
wanted, which was more like touristy things,

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right, and then the second week
was going to be there scuba diving

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trip where they went out to the
Great Barrier Reef and there was a shipwreck

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that they were going to explore,
and it was like, yeah, and

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Gala and the ship that took them
out. It was like they were going

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to be out there for like a
week, right, and well they were,

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they were going to move around,
you know, the two different areas

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of the reef. Yeah, but
really it was the first dive that they

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did, Tina got into trouble and
Gabe was seen trying to like with his

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arms around her, trying to bring
her up, but then he dropped her

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and left her and she sunk to
the bottom, and then the dive instructor

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went down, got her, brought
her up really quickly. He was already

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there, he mean, he was
just you know, yeah, a few

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hundred feet away. Okay, whatever, but of course to no avail unfortunately.

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Yeah, and Gave's actions were seen
as a little suspicious because he wasn't

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there during the resuscitation attempt, and
and she had too much weight on her,

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Like you put weights on you to
help with get you to the proper

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level of buoyancy so that you can
descend properly. And she had way more

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than she should have had. Yeah, she had at least twenty pounds on

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her. And so one thing I
can't remember if I talked about it or

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not, but some people wear the
belt which has the weight on it,

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but hers went into her buoyancy control
device until I think there were little pockets

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and she could put the weight in
there. And I think that was kind

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of a hindrance because like when Wade
went to rescue her, he just took

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off his belt, okay, where
it would have been harder to take out

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individuals. Okay, I was going
to ask you about that. If it

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was easy to take take outwaits if
you felt like too much, I don't

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know, but I wouldn't. I
wouldn't imagine, right, And it would

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be much easier to just whip off
your belt. Yeah, all right,

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do you think that's that's a good
summary. You tell me, I think,

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I hope so, I think that's
pretty Yeah, I think that's pretty

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good. If you didn't listen to
episode one, please go back and listen

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to episode one. All right,
all right, here we go. When

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the spoil Sport docked in Townsville,
the police were waiting to talk to Gabe,

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the staff, and all the passengers
from both boats to take their statements

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and begin the investigation. Fifty people
would be questioned. Gabe asked Paula Snyder,

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one of the passengers on this ship, to stay with him. She

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was older and maternal, and Gabe
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investigators that she thought Gabe was in
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mother arrived because he was as helpless
as a child. The Australian police gathered

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everyone's divelogs. We talked about this
in episode one, but a divelog it's

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really important. Any dive you take, you log it in this blog.

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So they gathered the dive logs Gabe
and Tina's dive gear, as well as

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the captain's ship logs. Investigators were
very confused about how a trained rescue diver

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would let his wife sink to the
ocean floor, and we talked about this

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last episode. But Gabe was a
level four diver. He was trained to

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help people if they needed rescue exactly. Gabe was questioned first for four hours.

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His story was consistent, but each
time he told it he made slight

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variations. Gave alleged that on his
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water, he tapped two divers and
tried to get their attention to alert them

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to Tina's distress, but this was
never corroborated. He was He also told

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investigators that he had never swam so
fast in his life as when he went

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to ascend to the surface. So
do you remember during the first episode we

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talked about how how fast was his
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the dive instructor made it up before
him, right, he had to go

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twice the distance and he did it
in half the time. So, Gabe,

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I don't know if his memory was
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wasn't, or if he wasn't if
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called his parents after the interview,
and he asked his dad David, to

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call Tina's parents, Glenda, his
mom immediately booked a flight to Australia to

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be there for Gabe. And you
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Australia not an easy at least twelve
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it longer? Probably longer, yeah, because I thought it was like,

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yeah, I underestimated it's going to
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Before he left the police station for
the night, he asked police for his

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dive computers back. He said they
were worth a lot of money, but

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police weren't finished with them. Gabe
was adamant and aggressive that he wanted them

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back. He was told no,
and he left in a half. Tina

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Graves, another Tina and her husband
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would comfort a Gabe after Tina's death, She couldn't stop thinking about one thing

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Gabe had told her under duress.
He had told her that he pushed Tina

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away after she'd reached for the regulator
in his mouth. She shared this with

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the police during her questioning. Paula
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the night with him. Meanwhile,
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the difficult call to Tommy Thomas.
I can't imagine. It was eight thirty

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AM. Tommy was in Florida for
her business. David was blunt. He

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told Tommy that Tina had been in
an accident and drowned. Then he handed

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the phone to Reverend Greer, who
had just married Tina and Gabe eleven days

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before. David had requested that Reverend
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the call. Tommy was shocked,
devastated, and heartbroken. He rushed back

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to his hotel and got a flight
home to Alabama as soon as possible.

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I can't it's just so sad to
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to make that flight back just hed. He loved his daughter, both of

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them so much. He wanted to
tell Cindy and Alanda about Tina in person

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before anyone else could, and he
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the story soon. He was too
late. When Alanda got to work at

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the Parisian around nine AM, the
store manager, who had already heard the

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news, called her into his office
to tell her that Tina had been in

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an accident. Alanda called Tommy,
who told her the little information that he

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knew. Her friend drove her to
her parents house. Cindy was sleeping in

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that morning and hadn't yet heard the
news. Alanda woke her and told her

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the worst news that she'd ever received
in her life. And she was shocked

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and confused. How could her beautiful
daughter be gone when she was supposed to

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be celebrating the happiest time of her
life. There were so many questions and

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so few answers. Tommy tried to
contact David Watson times throughout the day to

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get more answers. After the initial
shock war off, David didn't answer or

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return any of his phone calls.
Instead, he had Reverend Greer call him.

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When the Thomases were told that Glenda
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Australia, they realized that the Watsons
had known about Tina's death for many hours

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before they were informed. That would
have that really made me mad. Yeah,

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I would just be so hurt and
like call me a why Tina?

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Why they waited? I think they
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wait for morning or you know,
a better time. They talked to Gabe

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that night and he tried to explain
how he'd left Tina and swammed with the

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surface to get help, but the
Thomas family didn't understand why he'd left Tina

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instead of helping her himself. He
was strong and a trained rescue diver.

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Tommy asked if he'd been there during
the attempt to resuscitate Tina and Gabe lyde

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and told him that he was there
with Tina the whole time. But that

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would really upset me to you for
sure, Gabete. The following email meant

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to be dispersed to family and friends. Just say you know, of course

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I always spell check and grammar check
my case before we present it. There

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were so many spelling errors and just
bad english in this, but whenever we

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read a quote, you know we
have to read it as so. Craig

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and Dad, please send this to
everyone who you can think of, and

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everyone who gets this passed along to
anyone you think may want to see it.

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I just wanted to take a chance
to talk to everyone at once.

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I know a lot of you guys
have wanted to call, but just not

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have the chance. I guess on
how I guess on how I am doing.

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It's pretty obvious I'm a total mess
right now. I have my moments.

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I don't think reality has yet set
in, and I am in justice

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state of numbness. I think my
ear is going to be okay, So

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there is really nothing to worry about
as far as that goes. Oh thank

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did I mention this like they had
some trauma to his ear because of his

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quote rapid assent. I'm trying to
stay strong because Tina would have wanted me

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to be strong, a strong man, and take care of this and get

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her home as soon as possible.
So right now that is my only focus,

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getting my baby home. I'm not
leaving until I know she is on

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the way. It looks like we
will be here for another seven days or

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so. Today is October twenty fourth
here. She died on October twenty second.

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There maybe a couple more or less, we just won't know until Monday

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or Tuesday. The government here is
just as slow as ours. Everyone here

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in Townsville, from the authorities down
to the citizens, have just been incredibly

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supportive of me. Right now.
The autopsy was completed today and the results

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were inconclusive, but they do have
some more test results due in on Monday.

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Maybe we will know what caused this
by then. For those of you

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who would like to know exactly how
the events of the dive played out,

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Craig knows what happened, as well
as a few other people, so if

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they were up to telling you,
it's okay to ask. Those are pretty

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much the only details I have right
now. We will know more on Monday.

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Also to prepare everyone, there is
a story with our names and hometowns

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headed for the US. I saw
it here today and it was tough to

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read, so I just wanted to
give you guys a heads up. For

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those of you who would like to
read on. I would like to say

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a little something about Tina. I
feel so cheated by this entire situation.

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Four or five years of knowing her
in ten days of marriage was just not

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enough time with her. Those ten
days, however, have been absolutely the

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happiest ten days of my entire life. I'm so glad to have had just

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those days with her as opposed to
no days with her at all. I

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love Tina so much is almost scary, and I know she knows that even

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the things she does that annoy me. I love Those of you who know

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her know what I mean. You
can't help but love her. Before I

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met Tina. I didn't believe in
soulmates, just that you had a certain

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type of personality that you clicked with. Now that I have lost her,

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I know without a doubt that she
was meant for me and I was meant

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for her. She was the one
person on earth who was meant for me,

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and now she is gone. I
can tell you the last days were

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the happiest of days Tina and I
have ever had. We went from being

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on top of the world from the
wedding to even higher. She got to

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go to the Torongo Zoo and have
a picture taken with a koala. She

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got to see a nemo at the
Sydney Aquarium, and we went to the

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Australian Museum, the Art Gallery,
She got to see Sydney from the harbor,

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and I even managed to keep my
surprise from her until Saturday night.

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We went to take a tour,
dinner and see A Midsummer's Night Dream at

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the Sydney Opera House. She was
so surprised when we got there and found

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out what we were going to do, she actually broke down and cried.

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I've never seen her so happy,
and seeing her that happy could not have

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made me any happier. That's the
way I will always remember her. She

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even got to see a little sea
turtle on the start of her dive.

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I can't express on words how much
I miss her already. It is barely

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even forty eight hours. I'm going
to need each and every one of you

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to be ready when we finally get
home, because I'm going to lose it

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and be a total wreck. Not
only did I lose my wife, but

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I lost my best damn friend in
the whole world. I never felt more

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complete than I did when I was
with Tina, and now that she has

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gone, I won't ever feel one
hundred sent complete again from now till the

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day I die, no matter what
the future holds. She was just the

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most incredible person I've ever met in
every aspect. I can't imagine a more

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perfect person I know is at the
most difficult times are still ahead. And

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when the reality hits and I realized
that she will not be there to share

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our dreams with me and do the
things we had talked about doing over the

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next few years, that house is
going to feel so empty without her,

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but nowhere near as empty as my
heart feels. I just need everyone to

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be ready because this is going to
be rough and I'm not going to be

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able to handle it. I don't
know how anyone does. She would have

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been the one I would have turned
too in a time like this. I

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just had to get these things off
my chest and get them out there for

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everyone to see things. For everything
you guys have done, I love you

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all and we'll see you soon.
Gabe, Oh that was a lot.

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At Glenda arrived in Australia. She
and Gabe spent a week sight seeing without

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much enthusiasm as they waited for Tina's
body to be cleared for transfers to the

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United States. They went to the
Mark several times to see Tina and someone

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overheard him talking to her. He
said, quote, I'm so sorry.

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I never meant to hurt you.
I should have kept I shouldn't have kept

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Kate taking you down. I'm sorry
I couldn't stop it. End quote what

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do you make it up? Sounds
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but of course he felt guilty.
Yeah, I was gonna say it could

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be could be innocent and taken that
way, or it could be taken another

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way. So the autopsy was inconclusive, pending the return of tests. On

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October twenty seven, five days after
Tina's death, Gabe once again was questioned

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by the police for two and a
half hours. During this questioning, Gabe

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insisted no orientation dive was offered to
him and Tina, a point later vehemently

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refuted by Wade Singleton. Gabe also
said that he thought the current was too

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strong for novice divers. He described
his ascent as quote rocketed to the top

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and faster than he'd ever swam before, although the data on his dive computer

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disputed his allegation. If Gabe had
rocketed to the top, the rapid ascent

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alarm alarm would have gone off on
his dive computer, and it did not.

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In reality, Gabe's dive computer revealed
it took him over two minutes to

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go the forty feet. Gabe complained
of ear pain in the days after the

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accident, but when examined by a
doctor, they described it as mild barrow

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trauma and said his ears looked fine
and he would be okay to fly home.

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Which can you imagine if you had
like abruptured ear drama flying it would

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be horrible. The investigation of Tina's
personal dive equipment found her equipment was of

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excellent quality and cleanliness and no thright
and no life threatening faults. Furthermore,

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gaves dim was tested and was found
to be one hundred percent accurate. Gabe

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had been underwater for seven minutes at
a maximum of fifty four pet feet and

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Tea under for ten minutes at a
maximum depth of eighty nine feet according to

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their dive computers. So that surprised
me like in ten like so much happened

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in that ten minutes. Meanwhile,
back in Alabama, Tommy and Cindy went

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to the local funeral home to begin
planning Tina's funeral. Tina's parents had made

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it clear that they wanted to plan
and pay for Tina's burial and funeral.

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The funeral home told the Thomases that
Gabe had already contacted them and he would

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be making the arrangements, even though
he was still in Australia. They relented.

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Gabe was Tina's husband after all,
but their one request was that Tina's

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casket be carried by a horse and
carriage. They knew, with her love

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of gone with a win, that
she would have loved them. Gabe spoke

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to the Australian newspaper, the Townsville
Bulletin, and here's a brief excerpt from

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that article. Mister Watson said he
entered the water with his wife and decided

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to abort the dive after a matter
of minutes when they realized just how strong

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the current was. Quote, Tina
got into difficulty as we turned back.

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It is my belief that whatever physical
problem took Tina's life was triggered by our

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struggle with the current as we tried
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Tina's body arrived back in Alabama on
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October twenty second, November two.
It took five flights to get her home.

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Things became even more intense between the
two families during this time that Thomas's

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had taken all of the wedding gifts
back to their house after the wedding,

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where they remained unopened. David insisted
that they be delivered immediately to Gabe,

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along with Tina's jeep and any other
possessions of hers that they had. Alanda

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called Gabe and tried to reason with
him, telling him her family needed some

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time, but Gabe said, quote, you have to understand, I have

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already completed the grieving process and you
are just started starting. I just want

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the wedding presents and anything that belonged
to Tina. They are rightfully mined.

409
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End quote. I'm sorry mine end
quote. All the hell like completed the

410
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.359
grieving process, cares about material possessions. I just I can't imagine that.

411
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That's After several more angry phone calls, the Watsons showed up at the Thomas's

412
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.720
home and demanded the gifts. To
make matters worse, they were on their

413
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:32.440
way to Utina's body. Some friends
of the family were there and threatened to

414
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:36.279
call the police at the Watsons didn't
leave, and they were grudgingly left.

415
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.319
I don't know what. I just
can't imagine anyone would care about stupid wedding

416
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.119
gifts. On November fifth, the
day of the funeral, the funeral director

417
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.559
quietly talked to Tommy and Cindy and
told him that the Watsons had asked him

418
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:53.200
to tell them that if there was
any trouble, they would call the police

419
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:57.359
and have them escorted out of the
funeral. Two rooms were set up to

420
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:02.960
keep the families apart. Amanda,
Tina's best friend, tried her best to

421
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.880
be nice to Gabe, but he
was awkward as usual. As they viewed

422
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.799
Tina in her casket, she commented
that Tina looked pretty, and Gabe replied,

423
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.000
you're not gonna believe this one.
At least her breasts look perky.

424
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.039
Oh god. He denied later saying
that, but Amanda said, imagine why

425
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.920
she would make that up. And
later he showed friends a picture of Tina

426
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:29.160
from the honeymoon next to a sign
that said caution risk of drowning. People

427
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.279
thought he purposely took that picture.
But to be fair, if you go

428
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.400
anywhere by the water, you know
there's there's science is like, you know,

429
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.200
like when we went to Remember we
went to South Carolina and the alligators

430
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.680
were everywhere, right, But I
don't think I would be showing that picture

431
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:47.839
to people. True may mean Gabe
is just he is just a really awkward

432
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.880
human being. The funeral director later
admitted to police that it was the most

433
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:57.119
tension and drama that they'd ever experienced
during a funeral between two families. It

434
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:03.000
just bothers me so much. It's
like, yeah, in respect the memory

435
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.440
of I think both families genuinely loved
her, like you know, that's your

436
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:10.039
job to respect her memory. Yeah, it's a tough situation though. The

437
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.039
day after the funeral, Tommy returned
to the funeral home to write a check

438
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.920
for the service, but the Watsons
had already paid. He asked the director

439
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.240
about the plants sent by family and
friends that hadn't been taken to the grave

440
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.279
site. He was told that the
Watsons had taken them and her and had

441
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:30.680
requested none be given to the Thomas
family. Man, I know, they're

442
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:37.119
just aggressive assholes. So what was
Tina's cause of death? She probably became

443
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:42.960
more nervous in the current, causing
an irregular heartbeat, and maybe she had

444
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:48.960
a severe anxiety attack, but that
probably wouldn't have caused her to become unconscious.

445
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.319
Death would probably only occur if the
victim lost her scuba regulator or ascend

446
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:59.160
it to the surface while breath holding. In Tina's case, neither of those

447
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:03.200
things happened. The autopsy ruled out
any heart issues, and no abnormalities of

448
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.599
Tina's heart were reported. In fact, I think that doctor or the pathologists

449
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:14.279
who examined her said that they believed
that the surgery had corrected the issue that

450
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.079
she had had when she was younger. The cause of death was listed as

451
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.599
drowning, the manner of death undetermined
on the death certificate. There was a

452
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.319
question as to whether the death was
accidental or deliberate, and undetermined was written

453
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.640
Tina did not choke on vomit and
there was little water in her mouth.

454
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.599
The pathologist said that there was no
evidence of disease and ruled out Tina's death

455
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:41.759
as drowning by exclusion of other causes. Does that make sense? The last

456
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:48.160
part was a little confusing. Ruled
the pathologists ruled out drowning as determined by

457
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:55.039
that. You lost me there,
okay? They ruled her death is drowning

458
00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.759
by exclusion of other causes. Like
okay, not Like, there's nothing else

459
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.279
that made sense, so it must
have been drowning exactly, gotcha. Noted

460
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.599
in the autopsy were multiple air embolisms
or air pockets in the blood, which

461
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:14.839
were likely caused during the rescue attempt
and could have hastened Tina's death. An

462
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.799
autopsy is unable to identify extraneous factors, such as anxiety, panic, or

463
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.440
fatigue that could have also led to
Tina's death. Like the current was really

464
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:29.720
strong, and you know, she
just really was possibly exhausted by trying to

465
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.759
swim against the current. We talked
about the current though. This confuses me

466
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.480
because they're going down, like there's
like a rope that they're going down on,

467
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.440
right, So I don't understand why
the current would be such a big

468
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.079
issue because they're like attached to the
rope, right, and they're kind of

469
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.480
going down. But then they let
go of the rope and they're kind of

470
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.759
supposed to like flow with the current. But she hadn't gotten down that far

471
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:52.240
yet though, right, I mean
she was at the top of the wreck.

472
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.960
Oh, so the wreck is,
you know, it's three hundred feet

473
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.200
wide, and I'm not sure how
you know, like the depth of from

474
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.759
the top of the wreck to the
bottom of wreck that was project. I

475
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.960
didn't realize she was down that far
already. I was thinking it was not

476
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.480
She wasn't all the way down yet. She wasn't all the way down,

477
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.240
but she did drift all the way
down even if she became unconscious. Gabe

478
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.160
should have been trained to handle an
unconscious diver during his training. He should

479
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:22.359
have known to drop her extra weights, and he should have known to give

480
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.599
her his spare breathing apparatus. Also
called an octopus, and he should have

481
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:32.480
inflated both of their BCDs. Gabe, despite having logged her with fifty dives,

482
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.880
had mostly dived in pools or at
the quarry where he had trained,

483
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.319
where there was no current and there
was good visibility. He had taken a

484
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.440
dive trip to Mexico, but even
then he had dived about fifteen times,

485
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:51.559
and that had been about four years
previously, with maximum depths of fourteen meters

486
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.880
or forty six feet, and most
of his dives were supervised. I think

487
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:02.400
that he vastly overestimated his diving skills. The day before Thanksgiving, Ken Snyder,

488
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.359
who had been one of the divers
on the spoil Sport, called Tommy.

489
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.920
Ken and his wife Paula had been
aboard the spoil Sport with Gave and

490
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:14.719
Tina. Ken wanted to meet with
Tommy and talk face to face. When

491
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.599
they met at a coffee shop,
Ken, and extremely experienced diver with over

492
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:22.239
five hundred dives, told Tommy that
gave story was bullshit and then he shouldn't

493
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:27.599
leave it for one second. He
told Tommy that a distressed diver wouldn't just

494
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.199
sink to the bottom of the sea. They'd be kicking hard and flailing their

495
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:36.079
arms, doing just about anything to
fight the current unless they were unconscious or

496
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.639
their air supply had been turned off. Ken said that dead people sink,

497
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:45.320
not panic divers can also relate the
devastating news that Gabe had not been by

498
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:51.760
Tina's side during the resuscitation attempt.
Tommy was overwhelmed with sadness that his daughter

499
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.840
had died amongst strangers, and that
her own husband hadn't been there to encourage

500
00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:00.440
her in her last moments of life. Could gave him stay away from the

501
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.760
Jazz two during Tina's CPR because he
was afraid that she would regain consciousness and

502
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.239
tell others what had really happened during
the dive. I'm asking you, I

503
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:15.679
don't know. Maybe The Thoma's family
thought that celebrating Christmas in Alabama would be

504
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.880
too difficult, so they decided to
go to Australia, despite a law to

505
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.519
being seven months pregnant. They wanted
to see all the sights that Tina had

506
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.480
seen in her last days and meet
some of the people who had tried so

507
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:30.519
valiantly to save her life. Tommy
flew to Townsville while the ladies stayed in

508
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.519
Sydney. They said the trip to
where Tina died would be too emotional for

509
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.079
them. Tommy met Wade Singleton and
shook his hand in person to thank him

510
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:43.400
for trying to save Tina. He
also went aboard the Spoil Sport and the

511
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:47.000
Jazz two. Tommy was moved to
tears several times. When they returned to

512
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:51.719
the States on New Year's Eve,
there was a check from Tina's life insurance

513
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.599
policy for just over thirty three thousand
dollars. The policy was from her employer,

514
00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:00.440
who ensured Tina for one year or
her salary for her job at Parisian.

515
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.800
There was also a letter from Gabe's
attorney demanding they turn over all of

516
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.519
Tina's personal property to Gabe. Although
at the end of the month, the

517
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:13.639
Thomas family would get a reprieve from
the stress and grief of the preceding months.

518
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:17.440
When Alanda gave birth three weeks early
to William Matthew. It was a

519
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.119
joyous occasion, but dampened because Tina
wasn't there to meet her nephew, whom

520
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:28.519
she would have adored and spoiled.
Gabe was reportedly depressed in struggling with Tina's

521
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.320
death. He refused to go back
to the house he and Tina had planned

522
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:35.320
on living in together. Instead,
he stayed with his parents and rarely left

523
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.079
the house. Gabe joined a young
widow support group. He was struggling with

524
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:45.440
grief and financial stress. He wrote
letters to politicians about the lack of support

525
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:50.519
for her young widows. Amanda,
Tina's best friend, received an awkward Christmas

526
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.760
card from Gabe. It was a
picture of him and Tina from their honeymoon.

527
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:58.760
Inside the card, Gabe had written
who's that sexy looking guy standing next

528
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.199
to Tina? Oh? Yeah,
that's me with a big smiley face next

529
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:07.400
to it. Amanda was creeped out
and proclaimed that she was done trying to

530
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.119
be friends with Gabe after this.
I'll say that I know just super creepy.

531
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:16.079
He's just a weirdo. Gabe's in
the same card to others and everyone

532
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.960
found it off putting. Eventually,
Gabe did move into the house with his

533
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.880
brothers because he had purchased trip insurance. Gabe filed a claim for over ten

534
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.599
thousand dollars to be reimbursed for the
cost of the trip, medical and trafical

535
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:35.039
travel expenses relating to Tina's death and
the extra expenses he had incurred while waiting

536
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.840
for Tina's body to be cleared for
transfer back to the US. Gabe had

537
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.559
failed to read the fine print.
However, his claim was denied. The

538
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:50.880
policy stated that the insurance became invalid
if participating in risky activities such as bungee

539
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.239
jumping, skydiving, scuba diving,
hand gliding, or deep sea diving.

540
00:37:54.760 --> 00:38:00.599
Gabe immediately contacted his lawyer to soothe
insurance company and the travel agency who had

541
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.079
sold him the insurance. Tommy,
Cindy, Alanda, and even baby William

542
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.880
were all regular visitors to Tina's grave. They frequently brought flowers or other small

543
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:14.880
mementos that they thought she'd enjoy.
Her headstone hadn't been placed yet, and

544
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.760
it bothered Tommy to have her grave
appear so spartan compared to the others,

545
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.639
so he bought a new wreath of
flowers every two weeks to put on her

546
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:28.239
grave. Alanda and Cindy also frequently
brought flowers, but the Thomas Has noticed

547
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.000
that the flowers were going missing by
the time the next person went to the

548
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.719
grave, and also the Thomas Has
learned in the summer that Gabe was planning

549
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.960
on moving Tina to a different part
of the cemetery, and they were told

550
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.679
there was nothing that they could do
about it. However, Tommy, not

551
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:49.440
one to give up easily, contact
the Queensland's police and they reached out to

552
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.159
the DA who put a stop to
the move. But eventually Tina was relocated,

553
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:58.559
but it was only about one hundred
yards from her original grave site.

554
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.440
It's weird. Do we know why
he wanted to do that. He said

555
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.440
it was a better spot, but
I think it had more to do with

556
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.639
like he wanted to buy more plots, which is always so awkward. They

557
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:14.639
were only married for eleven days and
her eternal resting places. I mean,

558
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.159
I don't know what the right decision
is. I don't either, really,

559
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:22.159
that's a tricky one. Tommy was
alone representative to oversee the exhumation of Tina's

560
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:27.880
grave. Gabe hadn't even showed up
to oversee the move. Tommy became obsessed

561
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.719
with the disappearing flowers. He filed
a report with the police and then drove

562
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:37.280
a stake into the ground at Tina's
new grave site and attached a heavy chain

563
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:43.239
to which he could attach a new
floral wreath. A patient. Police officer

564
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:47.239
sat one afternoon for five hours waiting
for the flower thief who would be so

565
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.320
cruel to remove flowers from a beloved
daughter's grave. Let me guess, I

566
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.280
don't think you're going to get it, all right, Go ahead, try

567
00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:00.480
Gabe, You've got it. The
officer saw a all burly man exit a

568
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:06.960
black suv as the officer videotaped him. Gabe brabbed a pair of heavy duty

569
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.119
bolt cutters and walked toward the grave. It took several minutes, but he

570
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:14.360
cut the chain, released the flowers, and dumped the chain in the trash,

571
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:19.480
the flowers in the road, and
hastily left Tina's grave without pausing to

572
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.599
pay respects to his dead wife.
He would later claim that Tina didn't like

573
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.480
plastic flowers and that's why he removed
them. Glenda Watson alleged that she had

574
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.880
placed angels on Tina's grave and they
went missing too. So this battle between

575
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:38.920
these two families, months later,
it continues. Gabe said, quote,

576
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:43.159
I promise you I won't go away. I'll be here for years to come.

577
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.960
He was threatening the Townsville police after
he'd learned that they hadn't yet determined

578
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:52.360
whether or not a formal inquest into
Tina's death would be made his dive of

579
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.480
computer would not be returned anytime soon. He wrote to them and claimed he

580
00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:01.400
would single handedly destroy the Australian diving
industry by uncovering how safe it was and

581
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:07.480
how incompetent the local police were.
The Townsville Police tried to secure funding to

582
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:13.039
conduct more in person interviews, but
received resistance from the government because of the

583
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.239
expense. The guests aboard the Spoil
Sport and the Jazz Two were scattered all

584
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:22.400
over the world. Tommy and Cindy
became impatient with the slow pace of the

585
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:27.480
investigation and decided to visit Australia again. In March two thousand and six,

586
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.440
almost two and a half years after
Tina's death, they went to the sight

587
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:36.199
of the Young Gala and sprinkled Tina's
favorite flowers, purple tulips, in the

588
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.039
water. The Queensland Police informed the
Thomas' is that they would have to let

589
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:45.000
the interviews of the US passengers be
taken care of by the American police because

590
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.079
of the lack of funding, and
they encouraged them to go to the Alabama

591
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:52.800
Police and file report The Queensland Police
weren't able to rule Tina's death an accident,

592
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:58.199
but they also couldn't rule out foul
play. While they were unable to

593
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:01.199
conduct the interviews, they were still
in investigating Tina's death. So here we

594
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:07.360
are, like almost three years later
and they still Yeah, they're still going

595
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.360
at it, which would probably be
driving like it drove Tommy and Cindy crazy,

596
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.840
which rued me crazy too. They
thought there was a possibility that Gabe

597
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.280
had turned off Tina's air supply,
causing her to lose consciousness, and then

598
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.400
he turned it back on before letting
her drift to the bottom of the sea.

599
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:30.480
This would have taken anywhere from ninety
seconds to two minutes. Another metric

600
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.719
that could be used to assess Tina's
distress underwater was her air consumption. The

601
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.039
amount of air left in her tank
was lower than it should have been under

602
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:44.159
normal circumstances, indicated that she may
have been panicking underwater and consuming more air

603
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.039
because she was you know, she
was breathing more rapidly. The Toma's family

604
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:51.920
had started to become suspicious of Gabe
in the weeks and months after Tina's death.

605
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.320
His behavior did nothing to quell their
fears. They had talked to several

606
00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.239
passengers aboard the spoil Sport who had
told him that Gabe's behavior just didn't seem

607
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:06.840
normal. Tommy became more aggressive and
approach and told police in both the US

608
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:12.320
and Australia that they needed to consider
Gabe had murdered Tina. The police in

609
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:16.199
Australia had been investigating Gabe seriously and
did think that he was guilty of murder.

610
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:21.760
As their investigation intensified, it just
took much longer than Cindy and Tommy

611
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:25.039
Thomas would have liked, and they
pressed even harder to press charges against date

612
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:32.599
Gabe. So are you, like
Cindy and Tommy are sure that Gabe filled

613
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.480
Tina? And they're trying to convince
everyone and get as much attention, and

614
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.519
they really were very vocal. I
hope by making that, I think I

615
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.480
probably we can see clear, but
I think Okay. The Queensland Police did

616
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:49.039
meticulous re enactments of the day of
Tina's death and nearly identical weather conditions,

617
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:53.199
which took months of preparation, Like
they wanted to do this reenactment and they're

618
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:57.519
like, no, we need to
wait till October. Okay, divers similar

619
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:01.840
in size to Gabe and Tina portrayed
them. But here's so it was two

620
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:06.679
guys and one guy was bigger and
then one guy was smaller who was supposed

621
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.800
to portray Tina. But the difference
between a man's body and a woman's body

622
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:15.840
is it's pretty different, right,
And so they thought they were doing this

623
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.440
meticulous and re enactment. But in
my heart, I'm like, well,

624
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.519
that doesn't really makes sense to use
a man. Yeah. Wade Singleton,

625
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.119
who had left the dive industry to
become a paramedic, which I think is

626
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:30.079
a little telling. Assisted in the
simulation. They repeated Tina and Gave's dives

627
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.400
several times, but each time the
diver playing Tina fell on the deck of

628
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:39.119
the wreck, not on the sea
floor, again calling into question Gave's recollection

629
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:45.039
of the accident. A report was
submitted after the simulation with a following result

630
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.840
quote, there is no possible way
if she separated from the defendant, like

631
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.679
he stated, in a limb position
from the mid deck area and approximately fifty

632
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.199
feet of water, that the deceased
could have ended up in the position that

633
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.800
she did. She could have only
gotten to that position and from the front

634
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:06.000
of the wreck from the side and
in open water. Okay, I don't

635
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.039
know if that makes any sense,
but I guess what they're saying is that

636
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.920
every time they tried it, she
ended up on the deck, not in

637
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.599
the open water. Right, So
they're implying that he let go over at

638
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.920
a different point or that's it's confusing
what they're lost implying that his whole story

639
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.239
story is suspicious, that they don't
believe, you know, it's just they

640
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.920
don't believe anything that Gabe is telling
them. In April two thousand and six,

641
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.719
the Thomas Has went public with your
theory that Tina's death was a homicide,

642
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.360
and finally in April two thousand and
seven, the Australian police were cleared

643
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:45.679
for travel to the US to conduct
interviews. On April twenty third, two

644
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.400
thousand and seven, at six fifteen
am, Gabe's home was rated by the

645
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:53.239
FBI, the local Alabama police,
as well as two officers from Townsville,

646
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:59.239
Queensland, Australia. Gabe was handcuffed
while his house was searched. The search

647
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.320
lasted about an hour. His computer
was taken, along with some legal paperwork

648
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:07.719
and photographs. So this is four
years later, right, So I'm not

649
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:13.000
sure what they were hoping to find
four years later. Yeah, it seems

650
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.519
like you'd be hard to get a
ton of relevant evidence. Yeah. Sure.

651
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.000
November two thousand and seven, Australia
launched a coronial inquest similar to an

652
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:27.639
American grand jury, but it's conducted
by the coroner, who was seeking to

653
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.639
determine if Tina's manner of death was
accidental or homicidal. The coroner believed that

654
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:37.000
Gabe had turned off Tina's air supply
during the bear hug that doctor Stanley STIs

655
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:42.639
had witnessed, and turned it back
on after Tina became unconscious and he pushed

656
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.559
he pushed her away, okay,
on to the sea floor, and I

657
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.840
guess the dive computer wouldn't show if
her air supply had been turned on or

658
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.840
off. It didn't. And I
should mention that their dive computers weren't the

659
00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:00.760
most expensive and they might have been
a little older. So police discovered that

660
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.599
at September, a month before the
wedding, Gabe had inquired about getting an

661
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.920
additional life insurance policy for Tina and
the amount of two hundred and fifty thousand

662
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:13.760
dollars, but he never followed through, Could we have a case maybe that

663
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.639
we don't talk about life controls.
It's insane. He had also told Tina

664
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:21.880
to change her work policy to the
maximum benefit and changed the beneficiary on the

665
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.679
policy to him. She talked to
her father about this and he told her

666
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.719
not to worry about it until after
they returned from their honeymoon. She never

667
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.480
so she never changed the policy.
Well, obviously we talked about how Tommy

668
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.800
had gotten the check at Gabe had
never asked her about it again, though

669
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:40.199
he told her once, Hey,
you know, maybe we should change But

670
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:45.119
he didn't follow through with with either
of those things. The civil lawsuit that

671
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.519
Gabe had filed against the travel agent
and insurance company was set to go to

672
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.480
trial in February two thousand and seven. He was seeking forty five thousand dollars

673
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:58.400
for a reimbursement of the trip in
addition to medical expenses, travel expenses,

674
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:04.440
and punitive damage is for mental and
emotional anguish. In May two thousand and

675
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:08.679
eight, Gabe dismissed the lawsuit under
the grounds of self incrimination in the ongoing

676
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:15.519
legal battle in Australia wait for self
incriminal so he was afraid that the discovery

677
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:22.920
in the lawsuit would reveal things that
would incriminate him exactly. An inquest began

678
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:27.119
into the death of Tina Watson in
Australia. There were sixty two witnesses over

679
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:31.760
four weeks. Gabe did not attend
despite his presence being requested. Cindy and

680
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:36.719
Tommy were there every day. There
were twelve major points that the coroner and

681
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.599
the police were stuck on. One
Why hadn't Gabe been able to save Tina

682
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.639
when he was a certified rescue diver. Why had he abandoned his dive buddy

683
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:51.639
and returned to the surface. Every
diver carries something on them called a safety

684
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.960
submersible device, also called a safety
sausage or an SMB. It's a long,

685
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:01.800
hollow tube that can be quickly filled
using the BCD or the diver's own

686
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:08.400
breath. It can be used under
or above water to locate a diver if

687
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.880
they're in danger, or if they've
drifted away from their boat to be picked

688
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:16.840
up. And Gabe should have deployed
this to alert nearby divers. This is

689
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:21.679
like a marker that will show people. It'll make it visible where a diver.

690
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.360
It's like this really long, skinny
booy like okay, yeah, yeah,

691
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.840
and you just and once people see
it, they know that someone's in

692
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:36.440
danger. How had his dive computer
initially malfunctioned? Gabe said it was beeping,

693
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.639
but if the battery was inserted backwards, how was it beeping. Gabe

694
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.760
had allegedly alerted two divers to Tina's
incident on his way up, but they

695
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.079
were never found. Gabe complained about
his ears, but the doctors said they

696
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:58.280
looked fine. His slow ascent,
the cemetery incidents, the insurance issues he

697
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:04.719
told like sixteen to ferring accounts of
what happened on October twenty second, and

698
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.440
why didn't he give Tina his secondary
air source or his octopus. After reviewing

699
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:14.960
all the evidence in testimony, the
inquest determined that Gabe Watson should stand trial

700
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.480
for murder. He was indicted on
November twenty ninth, two thousand and eight,

701
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.400
more than five years after Tina's death. A warrant was issued for his

702
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:29.840
arrest. Extradition proceedings began. Gabe
fought hard against extradition for six months,

703
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.480
but on May eighteenth, two thousand
and nine, he willingly returned to Australia

704
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.960
to face the charges. So so
much time is past. It's two thousand

705
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:43.119
nine and the incidents happened in two
thousand three. Yeah, it's rumored that

706
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.679
Gabe received a plea deal from the
prosecutor for admitting guilt to the lesser charge.

707
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:52.079
He pleaded innocent to the charge of
murder but guilty to the charge of

708
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.280
manslaughter. The court accepted his plea
and he was sentenced to four and a

709
00:50:55.320 --> 00:51:01.280
half years in Australian prison, to
be suspended after one year. This decision

710
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:06.400
was later challenged by the prosecutors and
the Court of Appeals, where three judges

711
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:10.000
listened to the argument that gave sentence
should be extended. One judge moved to

712
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:15.599
dismiss entirely, one voted to extend
the sentence to two and a half years,

713
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.519
and the Chief Justice decided to compromise
and added an additional six months to

714
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:27.280
gabe sentence, so he was supposed
to serve eighteen months. All three Thomases

715
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.760
were there, along with Tina's best
friend Amanda, to see Gabe receive what

716
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:36.320
they thought would be justice, but
they were sickened and heartbroken by his plea

717
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:40.000
and lesser sentence. They wanted the
case to go to trial and see Gabe

718
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.920
received the maximum sentence. Outside the
court house, Tommy said, quote,

719
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:50.760
it's total injustice. It's ludicrous what
we have just seen. He was charged

720
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:54.360
with murder by a senior coroner and
the Townsville Supreme Court, who had completed

721
00:51:54.440 --> 00:52:00.599
an extensive investigation of the police's investigation. I was just totally destroyed. It's

722
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:06.559
ludicrous. It's a slap to the
Australian people and the justice system. It's

723
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.199
a slap in the face to the
police on both sides, both in the

724
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:15.079
United States and Australia, that spent
time investigating this case and the four and

725
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:20.280
a half years here as a joke. End quote. Detective Brad Flynn,

726
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:24.079
who was the lead investigator in Alabama, had made the trip to Australia and

727
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.679
he said, quote, I am
very shaken. You dedicate yourself, like

728
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.760
five and a half years of your
life to the case. You want to

729
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.800
see resolution, You want to see
some closure. You didn't get that today,

730
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:38.840
not for me, but for her
family. We didn't get it.

731
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:44.559
End quote. Gabe said he didn't
murder Tina, but he was guilty of

732
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:49.559
being an irresponsible dive buddy. He
was guilty of manslaughter for not helping her

733
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.800
with the buoyancy vest, getting her
weights dropped and letting her slip from his

734
00:52:53.480 --> 00:53:00.719
grasp. Wade Singleton was also disappointed
and said he thought them and slaughter Plea

735
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:05.280
was wrong and Gabe got off light. He said as soon as Gabe Leftina's

736
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.760
side, she had no chance of
survival, which I agree with. I

737
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:10.559
think it's crazy that he thought,
oh, I'm going to go get help

738
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.679
and then to come back and yeah, yeah, obviously he was thinking clearly.

739
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:22.360
Wade Singleton admitted that he and other
crew members made critical errors. Gabe

740
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.639
and Tina should have been interviewed separately
on the spoil sport. It was company

741
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:30.199
policy for passengers to be interviewed separately
so no one was under pressure. Also,

742
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.719
Tina's air tank should have had a
clear label that she was a green

743
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:37.360
diver, and an introductory dive should
have not just been offered, but required.

744
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:43.360
Gabe was classified as a red diver
when technically he was probably a green

745
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:47.920
diver or just barely a yellow diver. Divers are classified as green if they've

746
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:52.480
had fewer than fifteen dives ocean dives, yellow if they were between fifteen and

747
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:58.320
fifty ocean dives and red if they
have over fifty ocean dives, because it's

748
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.440
a big difference between diving and the
to diving in a swimming pool or quary

749
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:07.559
or even a lake. Gabe had
about fifteen ocean dives, but we said

750
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.119
this earlier, but had been several
years since he dived in the ocean.

751
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.599
Did have certification as a rescue diver, but his training was inadequate. Normally,

752
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:20.639
the training was supposed to last for
four days, but for some reason,

753
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:25.559
Gabe only had two days of training
and had never rescued anyone without supervision.

754
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.119
He admitted that he was not equipped
to rescue someone in one hundred meters

755
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:38.079
of water. So in no Remember
of twenty ten, after serving eighteen months

756
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:44.039
in an Australian prison, Gabe was
released. However, an indictment of capital

757
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:49.559
murder and kidnapping by deception awaited him
in the United States. He was to

758
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.960
be extradited to Alabama, where he
would be charged with capital murder, and

759
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:59.480
the Attorney General planned to seek the
death penalty. However, the Australian government

760
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:04.559
refused to hand over Gabe and their
investigation materials until the death penalty was taken

761
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.519
off the table. Because there's no
death penalty in Australia. Interesting, But

762
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:14.679
why would Australia. I'm a little
confused by that. But okay, tell

763
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:15.760
me why you're confusing. I don't
know. It just seems like it's not

764
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:21.440
Australia's business if we want to prosecute
him here in the United States. I

765
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:27.039
know it was the crime happened in
Australia, but still under the Australian Extradition

766
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.800
Act, a person cannot be deported
to face prosecution for an offense which carries

767
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:37.239
the death penalty unless the requesting country
gives Australia an agreement that the death penalty

768
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.000
will not be imposed, or,
if imposed, will not be carried out.

769
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:46.159
The Alabama Attorney General but grudgingly agreed, So I see your point.

770
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:51.199
But also, I mean, it
would be different if he was an Australian

771
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.079
citizen, I guess. And you
know, we were trying to extradite an

772
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.320
Australian citizen to the US to face
the death penalty. But being that he

773
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.000
was a US citizen, it seems
a little odd to me. But they

774
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.760
laws are laws, I guess.
I think they just feel strongly about their

775
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:09.119
stands on the death penalty. Charging
Gabe in the US was not considered double

776
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:15.199
jeopardy because the cases were tried in
two separate sovereign states under two different sets

777
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:20.199
of laws. Alabama prosecutors set the
plot to kill Tina started on US soil,

778
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.079
so Gabe should face charges in the
US. I wondered about that because

779
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:27.239
the crime actually didn't take place in
the US, But I guess if the

780
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.199
plotting took place here, then I
think a lot of people were really angry,

781
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:36.239
and I think Tommy Thomas was a
really I think he did a really

782
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:40.079
good job of advocating for his daughter
and he wanted justice. Gabe was arrested

783
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:44.760
upon returning to the United States and
remained in custody for three weeks, but

784
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.199
he was later released after posting one
hundred thousand dollars in bail, which was

785
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:54.000
surprising the bail was given at all
in a capital case. Gabe was required

786
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:59.320
to wear an inkle monitor and adhere
to curfews. His trial was set for

787
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:05.840
February twenty eleven, but later and
definitely postponed because of severe staffing shortages in

788
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.400
the Alabama court system. And they
knew that this was going to be a

789
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:15.960
big case requiring extra security, and
they just didn't have the manpower, so

790
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:21.480
they just they just delayed it,
which I think. So trial started one

791
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:25.400
year later and on February thirteenth,
twenty twelve, which was actually Tina's birthday,

792
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:31.320
but twenty like, it's nine years
later, and I just think these

793
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:37.360
poor family they needed, they needed
to end their grieving and to move on

794
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.400
with their lives, and it just
kept getting dragged out. The charge of

795
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:47.239
kidnapping had been dropped, which seemed
they were just saying that he, you

796
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:51.679
know, kind of tricked her into
going to Australia, which really it was

797
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:52.960
she was the one who said,
hey, let's let's take that trip for

798
00:57:52.960 --> 00:58:00.519
our honeymoon. The judge ruled certain
evidence against Gabe as inadmissible, such as

799
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:06.400
Gabe's antics at Tina's grave site and
his request that Tina increase her insurance and

800
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.760
changed the policy's beneficiary to him.
Several witnesses helped the defense more than the

801
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:16.639
prosecution. When doctor Stanley Stutts was
asked, you don't think you saw a

802
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:21.280
murder that day, did you,
he replied, quote, I was surprised

803
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:24.920
when I got an email saying it
was a murder investigation. Doctor stan said

804
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:30.440
he'd never actually said the word bear
hug, but the police just kind of

805
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:34.000
glombed onto it. He admitted he
didn't have the best view of Gabe and

806
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.480
Tina, and he said to him, it did look like the Gabe had

807
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:44.199
attempted to rescue Tina prior to his
ascent to the top. Gabe's rescue diver

808
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:49.159
and instructor testified that he did teach
Gabe that if all else fails, a

809
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:53.639
rescue diver should rise to the surface
and seek help. Two dive experts testified

810
00:58:53.719 --> 00:59:00.079
that Tina was wearing an extra small
BCD or buoyancy controlled vice and it can

811
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:06.440
only left a maximum of nineteen extra
pounds, so that seems like a pretty

812
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:10.960
big air. Whoever suited her with
that vest should have well in the weight

813
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.119
that she was carrying. Also,
we know it was probably at least twenty

814
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.800
pounds, so that slowed her assent. In addition, at greater depths,

815
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:24.039
the inflate button on the BCD needs
to be firmly pressed for like the longer

816
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:29.000
the lower you are, the longer
you need to press it. And at

817
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:30.719
that the depth that Tina was at, she would have had to have pressed

818
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:35.440
it, pressed it for as long
as fifteen seconds, and I would imagine

819
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.920
that's that's kind of a lot like
if you count to fifteen, that's kind

820
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.480
of to be under the water,
knowing that you're struggling, you're having a

821
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:45.079
hard time breathing. To have to
press it for that long, I can

822
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.760
imagine she might have started a panic. YEA. On February twenty third,

823
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:53.039
twenty twelve, after the prosecution rested, the defense moved to dismiss and a

824
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:57.800
quit their a client, as the
defense frequently does prior to presenting their case.

825
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.760
In a move that shocked everyone,
Judge Tommy Nail agreed wow and dismissed

826
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.960
the case against Gabe. He called
the state's case sorely lacking and said,

827
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.559
quote, the only way to convict
this man of capital murder is to use

828
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:17.079
speculation and conjecture. The state has
failed to establish an intentional killing. This

829
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:23.480
case is dismissed. Gabe cried and
hugged his well okay, spoiler alert,

830
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:30.000
his new wife and family. His
supporters cheered. Some of the jurors were

831
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:34.239
interviewed and said that they would have
found Gabe guilty of murder. That's all

832
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:38.280
that's interesting to me that they that
was dismissed. I've I know about that,

833
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:42.880
and actually the case I'm working on
right now, the defense also requested

834
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:45.599
that, and I think it's very
common. Like you said, I've never

835
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:51.039
heard of a situation where it gets
dismissed because why not let the jury decide

836
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:55.920
exactly? And that was that was
the thing that really bothered Tommy and Sindy

837
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.880
Sure. In an interview with Elizabeth
Vargas on twenty twenty twelve, Gabe said

838
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:04.840
quote, I mean, it definitely
wasn't my finest hour. I had just

839
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.360
been accused of murder. I was
still dealing with the death of Tina.

840
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:10.880
I wasn't thinking clearly on anything that
I did. I fled guilty to basically

841
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.280
not rendering the proper aid, not
sending my saving my dive buddy. It

842
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:20.000
was hard to imagine that there's someone
out there that thinks that I did this.

843
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:22.400
I was still going through the grieving
process. There were all kinds of

844
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.920
stuff going on that while it made
me act in different ways, I'm not

845
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.840
saying that what I did was good
in any way. When I would go

846
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.360
out to Tina's grave, I always
left fresh flowers, and it struck a

847
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:37.760
nerve with me. What I considered
and what I think Tina would have considered

848
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:42.000
big, gaudy, plastic arrangements that
would sit out there and get faded in

849
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:45.480
the sun. End quote. It
sounds like he's kind of all over the

850
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:47.760
place there, And that quote like
he's talking about how we acted on the

851
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:52.360
dive, how he acted after at
the manslaughter charges, the flowers at the

852
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.719
grave. Well, I struggled.
Anytime I have to read a quote of

853
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.039
Gabes, I struggle because he's not
the most well spoken person, and it's

854
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.760
a quote because I have to.
Yeah, I mean, he's definitely scattered,

855
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:06.519
he's but also what he did was
indefensible, and I think that's what

856
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.679
he's struggling with. Whether he liked
Tina's parents or not, they deserved to

857
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:14.920
lay flowers at their daughter's grave,
right They were grieving. They deserved to

858
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.840
be able to have the space to
grieve. And what he did was disgusting.

859
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.199
Yeah, so I'm going to go
through the evidence against Gabe and then

860
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.920
you and I can talk about whether
we think it's valid or not. The

861
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:31.039
insurance policy that he inquired about,
is that enough to think he's guilty?

862
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:37.199
I mean not really. He never
followed through with buying insurance. Even if

863
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.960
if Tina had maxed out her work
insurance policy, it would have not been

864
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.519
a huge settlement. It would have
been about one hundred and sixty thousand dollars,

865
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.639
which I know is a lot of
money, Yeah, but not worth

866
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.559
killing your new wife, right,
And I think taking out insurance on your

867
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:57.360
spouse is not it's not a crime. It's something that people do, even

868
01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.360
if they don't kill their spouse.
So you know, this isn't me insulting

869
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:05.880
you, but I think you and
you're not like Gabe, but you're you're

870
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:09.000
more of a cross your eyes and
your tea tease type person, and I

871
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:13.000
think you would have been maybe similar
and like, hey, don't forget to

872
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:16.760
change this, But he didn't beliebor
the point. Yeah. At the trial,

873
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:22.639
it was also revealed that Tina had
twenty four thousand dollars of personal debt

874
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:24.360
at the time or her her death, and he knew that because, like

875
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:28.920
I had said earlier, he took
on part of her debt and put it

876
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:35.360
on his credit card because they wanted
to qualify for the mortgage. So the

877
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:39.199
fact that Gabe didn't go to the
jazz too while Tina was being resuscitated a

878
01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:44.400
lot of people point to that as
him not caring that she died, but

879
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:49.000
it's actually common for people not to
want to see their loved one being resuscitated.

880
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:52.639
Doctor Stanley Stutz said that at the
trial, what do you think,

881
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:57.320
I mean, it does seem a
little it does seem a little odd,

882
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:00.679
like I would think that you would
want to go over and try to help

883
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.360
or to or even know to be
there for the person, or knowing the

884
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:09.039
severity of her condition. He I
don't think at that point he knew that

885
01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:12.920
she was unconscious, right, But
at the same time, I know,

886
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:15.480
you know, people act in different
ways when they're in shock or when they're

887
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:19.119
in a situation like that, and
so you know, again, I don't

888
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:25.159
think that is evidence that he killed
her. The conversation that was heard in

889
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.079
the morgue when he said, I'm
so sorry. I never meant to hurt

890
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:31.280
you. I shouldn't have kept taking
you down. I'm sorry I couldn't stop

891
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:35.679
it. A lot of people pointed
to that as him saying apologizing for murdering

892
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:41.199
her. To me, that's I
don't perceive it as that way, just

893
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:45.320
him apologizing for taking her Like you
said before, I mean, he obviously

894
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.079
if it was an accident, I'm
sure he felt very guilty, Like,

895
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:51.559
even if he didn't do it on
purpose, he felt guilt, And that

896
01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:57.159
could easily be the statement of somebody
who just felt guilty. He changed his

897
01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.679
story sixteen times. The police kept
saying he changed his stories to teen times,

898
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:04.800
but the differences were subtle. Even
the police admitted this. I think

899
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:11.320
I think Gabe is a weenie.
He I think he felt bad that he

900
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:15.320
couldn't save her, and he was
embarrassed, and so I think that's why

901
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:17.199
his story changed a little bit.
He was trying to make himself not look

902
01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:23.039
weak. Yeah, it could be
so this bear hug that people think,

903
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.480
do you know, can you visualize
that? Like he gave her a bear

904
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:31.320
hug and you know, allegedly turned
off her air tank and doctor Stanley's toots

905
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.559
said it was probably like a maximum
of thirty seconds. And I don't think

906
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:40.800
that was probably enough to kill her, well if she was panicking, though,

907
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:44.920
I could imagine it could be enough
to kill someone. But I don't

908
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:47.480
know. But he didn't have a
stop watch. I would have to believe

909
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:53.519
that the time under water goes by
slower. I don't know. Yeah,

910
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:58.440
and again, it's the account of
one witness who was rather far away,

911
01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:00.639
and the water isn't Chris clear.
It's not like he had this great vision

912
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.559
of it and he admitted it himself. I couldn't see it. Gabe claimed

913
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:09.800
to have attempted to alert to divers
to tina struggle before his ascent, and

914
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:15.519
those divers were ever found. That
one's interesting, assuming they interviewed everybody that

915
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:20.159
was there on both of the boats. That one's pretty strange. But again,

916
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:23.519
it's pretty damning. But it could
also be, like you said,

917
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:27.079
he was trying not to look like
an idiot or trying trying to look make

918
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:30.239
himself look better. So he could
have said that because he was, you

919
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:33.559
know, trying to make himself look
But at the end of the day,

920
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:39.440
the biggest question is how did Tina
die with her regulator in her mouth and

921
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.199
plenty of air in her Yeah,
that's why I'm still a little be fuddled

922
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.679
by. Yeah. Detective Brad Flynn, who was in charge of the investigation

923
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:51.920
in Alabama, like most investigators who've
looked at the facts, had trouble understanding

924
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:57.719
the motivation for foul play here.
They were newlyweds with a seemingly bright future,

925
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:00.760
and there was not an insurance pay
out to the surviving husband. He

926
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:05.280
said, quote, we seem to
believe that to have our murder you have

927
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:09.800
to have a motive of sex or
money. None of that really comes into

928
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:14.360
play here. But that doesn't rule
anything out. I have to follow the

929
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:17.639
evidence, regardless of where that leads
me. End quote. But it's also

930
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:24.320
possible, Detective Brad Flynn, that
maybe there wasn't a murder, right He's

931
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:28.800
you know, sometimes they're trying to
bend the facts around. Yeah, evidence

932
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:32.280
that just isn't there. So if
you can tell already what I feel happened,

933
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:40.039
I think that Gabe is one thousand
percent guilty of gross negligence. He

934
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:44.280
was the more experienced diver, and
Tina felt protected by him, and he

935
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.880
let her down. He literally left
her on the ocean floor. So yeah,

936
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:54.440
I think I think I agree with
you. I think it is possible

937
01:07:54.599 --> 01:08:00.039
that he intentionally killed her, but
I don't think it is provable. I

938
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.760
don't think that beyond I don't think
it's provable beyond a reasonable doubt that he

939
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:09.679
intended to kill her. I think
it's likely that he was just overconfident and

940
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:15.280
didn't know what he was doing and
maybe panicked and didn't do what he should

941
01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:19.159
have done in the situation, and
like you said, was basically guilty of

942
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:25.279
being negligent. I do think it's
possible that he killed her intentionally, but

943
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:28.800
I don't think I could have voted
if I was on a jury hearing all

944
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:31.720
the evidence, I don't think I
could have voted guilty. And my opinion

945
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:35.640
is highly controversial. I read a
lot of message boards and read it,

946
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:40.039
and everyone was like, he's guilty, He's guilty, He's guilty as fucking

947
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.119
I thought that too when I first
started researching the case, like the thing

948
01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:46.359
like with the flowers, and how
he threw the pizza, and how he

949
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.800
the engagement ring issue, like all, he's guilty of being a jerk.

950
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.399
He's guilty of being a huge dick, and if I saw him in person,

951
01:08:56.439 --> 01:09:00.159
i'd slap him. But it doesn't
make someone guilty of murder. It

952
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:05.960
doesn't give Tina any justice by punishing
Gabe for you know, being a bad

953
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:12.439
dive buddy. Yeah, but I
this again might be unpopular because when I

954
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.239
first you know, i'll tell you
about the book at the end. But

955
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:16.880
when I was reading the book,
I thought Wade Singleton, I was like,

956
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:19.319
oh my gosh, what a guy. He's such a great guy.

957
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:25.159
But the more I think about it, I think Wade Singleton is even more

958
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:29.840
culpable than Gabe. The things that
he did wrong. He didn't do a

959
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:34.439
great job interviewing Tina and Gabe separately. He didn't ask some really important questions

960
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:39.800
like how many ocean dives had have
you had? If Tina would have said

961
01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:46.079
zero, he would have insisted that
that she have a supervised dive for sure,

962
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:50.720
and like her tank should have been
tagged as like, you know,

963
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:55.600
a novice diver. And there's just
a lot of things that he could have

964
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:59.640
done differently he did. And even
her assent to the top because he,

965
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.680
you know, took her off as
fast as he could. And if she

966
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:08.039
had a I don't know this by
you know, all the like little pockets

967
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:13.119
of air in her lungs, you
know those could have caused more damage because

968
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:15.000
of the fastest scent. Yeah,
I'm not sure, Like what you know,

969
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:16.880
that's a trade off there, right, you want to get her to

970
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:20.560
the surface as quickly as you can, but obviously that is not gonna that's

971
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:23.880
gonna be bad for her. Also, right, and we don't know if

972
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:26.840
she I mean, possibly she could
have been dead on the ocean floor,

973
01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.840
and I think that's probably what he
assumed that she was like, you know,

974
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:34.760
maybe a you know, a quick
resuscitation attempt would have saved her life.

975
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:40.479
In two thousand and six, Gabe
began dating Kim Lewis, a teacher

976
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:44.000
who had gone to high school with
him at Hoover High. She was two

977
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:46.760
years younger. They were married in
August of two thousand and eight. A

978
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.800
lot of people online said that she
looks like Tina. She does in as

979
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:57.439
far as she is pretty and she
is blonde, And some forums that I

980
01:10:57.520 --> 01:11:00.399
read online, people are like,
oh, he got married right away and

981
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:02.680
he killed Tina so he could be
with Kim. And they didn't get married

982
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:05.840
until August two thousand and eight.
These didn't start dating, so it had

983
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:12.479
been at least three years before he
started dating her, which I would want.

984
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.840
I would hope that you would date
within a year of my passing,

985
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.319
within a year, I would hope
you would wait at least ten years.

986
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:27.079
Okay, okay, okay. I
don't even know where to take to go

987
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:30.239
at that, because I don't want
to picture that. But Gabe and Kim

988
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:35.960
live in Alabama. I believe still
Gabe keeps a picture of Tina and his

989
01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:40.800
new wife in his office. He
still works at the family business. As

990
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:44.359
far as I know, I couldn't
find a whole lot out about what's currently

991
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:47.680
happening. I think he really keeps
a low profile, and he's not on

992
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:51.399
social media that I could tell.
Prior to the beginning of the trial,

993
01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:57.279
Gabe was removed as executor of Tina's
a state and was forbidden from visiting her

994
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:01.640
grave. He was also required to
return and her items to Tina's family,

995
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:06.920
including photographs and other personal items.
And sadly, oh this is I can

996
01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.199
I can if I can feel it
coming on. Tommy Thomas, who fought

997
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:15.720
so hard for his daughter, died
of cancer in November twenty fifteen. I

998
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:18.439
know, Cindy said quote he is
holding her sweet daughter now. It's just

999
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:23.159
so sad. I mean that man, he I mean, I don't agree

1000
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:26.159
with everything that he did. I'm
sure I would be the same, but

1001
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:29.479
he falls so hard for his daughter, and it's just I just think that's

1002
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.760
it, you know, Yeah,
that's that's I understand. Alana has since

1003
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:38.960
remarried and she has another son named
Michael. In a December twenty twelve article

1004
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:45.880
and Diving in Hyperbaric Medicine Journals,
how I love that journal subscript It's a

1005
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.680
good one, uh. Carl Edmonds, who has over fifty years of experience

1006
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:54.319
in diving medicine, wrote, quote, Tina Watson suffered the two most common

1007
01:12:54.439 --> 01:13:00.279
causes of death and young scuba divers
drowning in airy embolism from pulmonary barrel trama.

1008
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:03.279
She had most of the contributing factors
for these. She was medically,

1009
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:10.359
physically and psychologically unsuited for the dives
she undertook. She was inexperienced, doing

1010
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:15.079
the deepest dive she had ever attempted, her first dive in open water and

1011
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:19.560
against currents she had never encountered.
She was overweighted and without adequate supervision.

1012
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:28.079
She panicked and was probably exhausted and
overbreathed. Her regulator aspirated water and became

1013
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:32.920
hypoxic or not getting enough air.
Yeah, she lost consciousness and finally drowned.

1014
01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:39.800
This was complicated by bursting her lungs
during a rapid emergency ascent. How

1015
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.680
anyone could claim that there was no
reason for her death or attribute it to

1016
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:46.960
a murder is beyond my comprehension end
quote. And he is one of the

1017
01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:53.520
you know, the world's most informed. Sure you could find another expert who

1018
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:57.640
would say the opposite, but that
definitely makes sense. There was actually two

1019
01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:02.079
experts at the trial that pretty much
said the same thing. Mike Ball diving

1020
01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:08.039
was fined six thousand, five hundred
dollars for not following safety protocol, which

1021
01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:13.119
isn't her. Tina's life was worth
much more than that. Tina's grave remained

1022
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:16.439
unmarked until two thousand and nine,
when Gabe finally purchased a grave marker.

1023
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:20.199
It was a simple marker with her
name, Tina Watson, her birth and

1024
01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:25.279
death dates. On one side is
an image of a panda and on the

1025
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:30.000
other side a koala, which I
thought was a little bit of an interesting

1026
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:34.960
take. So that's that's the story
of Tina and Gabe Watson. Well,

1027
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:39.880
a fascinating story. Well we had
already we already talked about a lot of

1028
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.840
this. I always have discussion at
the end, but we always end up

1029
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:46.039
talking about it before. But I
think I think it came down to Gabe

1030
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:49.680
was not as experienced as he thought
he was, and when you break down

1031
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:55.439
his dive log book, he really
did have very little experience and open water.

1032
01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:59.439
I think he had a lot of
you know, pride. It's like

1033
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.239
it's so incumbent upon men to take
care of their women, and I think

1034
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:05.680
he was embarrassed, and I think
that's what led to a lot of right

1035
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:12.359
kind of the the lies or untruths. And I think a lot of people

1036
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:15.680
online don't know the whole story.
I think I did a pretty deep dive

1037
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:19.239
here. Ye no pun intended.
And I think if you look at like

1038
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:23.039
some of like if you there's a
lot of YouTubers and people like that,

1039
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.319
to do a ten or fifteen minute, they give you just like the bare

1040
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.640
facts and then you're like, yep, he's guilty. But I think if

1041
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:31.199
you really look at it, let
me know what you think. Listeners,

1042
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:34.399
people in general love to be outraged. Then they love to you know,

1043
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:39.279
they want people to be guilty because
it makes them feel better. And I

1044
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:45.800
understand that instinct and everything, but
you know, just yeah, people should

1045
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:48.119
definitely be held accountable for their actions. And I do think Gabe, I

1046
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:54.479
think the manslaughter charge was adequate because
he did leave her and he should not

1047
01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.680
have done that. I am wondering
if Tina could have like just had a

1048
01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:01.800
little bit of water in her throat, like maybe her regulator was just loosen

1049
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:04.960
a little bit and she just had
enough water to just kind of choke on

1050
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:08.359
because I choke on water all the
time. Yeah, No, I could

1051
01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:12.039
totally picture that. I've never been
scuba diving, but I could totally imagine

1052
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:14.319
that. If you were in a
situation like that and you were a little

1053
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.279
bit nervous, something like that happened, you would panic, and then once

1054
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:21.520
you panic, it's it's you know, it's all downhill from there. Well,

1055
01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:26.560
and remember, so Gabe and Tina
they went on the water the first

1056
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.920
time and they came right back out, and he had the whole thing with

1057
01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:30.399
his dive computer, and he was
like, oh, it's not working,

1058
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:34.039
right. I think that it's possible
he got he got really nervous, and

1059
01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:36.119
he was like, oh shit,
what have I done? Like this water

1060
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:40.720
is a little and I don't think
it was super crazy, but for him

1061
01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.960
it might have been way more intense
than he anticipated. Yeah, and I

1062
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:45.399
think he might have needed a little
breather and was like, I don't know

1063
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:47.920
what to do here. But then
they were like, yeah, let's let's

1064
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:53.119
just go in. Yeah, about
eighty divers in North America die each year,

1065
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:57.720
and diving accidents between three point four
and four point two deaths per one

1066
01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:01.640
hundred thousand. The most recent statistic
I could find was from twenty eighteen,

1067
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:06.920
and there were ninety two deaths in
the US and Canada and ninety seven combined

1068
01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:12.960
in all other countries. The most
common causes of death while scuba diving are

1069
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:17.920
insufficient air, rapid ascent due to
panicking, air embolism, entrapment, and

1070
01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:26.960
equipment failure. Entrapment meaning trapped inside. Oh oh, horrifying. I think

1071
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:31.800
we've talked about this before, but
that like the sorry running out of air

1072
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:36.880
under it just must be so scary. Yeah. Eighty percent of those that

1073
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:43.119
died were a male. Sixty seven
percent of the fatalities were people fifty years

1074
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:47.319
of age or older. The average
age was fifty four. The youngest fatality

1075
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:54.359
was ten years old and the oldest
was seventy three. Fifty percent of those

1076
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:59.439
that died had less than twenty dives. And that's all I have. I

1077
01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:01.800
know I wore you out, you
did, but it was a fascinating story.

1078
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:06.199
I love a good scuba diving story, and it's really sad what happened.

1079
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:12.119
I agree that, yeah, he
probably should not have been found guilty

1080
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:15.000
of murder. So you think the
judge dismissing the case, Well, I

1081
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:17.199
don't know about that. I do. I still think, like, you

1082
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:21.159
know, let the jury decide,
but I don't know. I wasn't there

1083
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:26.079
in the courtroom, so I can't
really say so. One of our lovely

1084
01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:29.640
listeners recommended this case, and I
have forgotten to say it until this point,

1085
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:31.680
and I feel badly, so I
hope you're still listening. And I

1086
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:35.560
don't have their name. They recommended
it a while ago, and I've been

1087
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:40.000
reased, so well, thank you
whoever. I mean, I really did.

1088
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:43.520
I think this was a great case
and it was I enjoyed researching it.

1089
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:47.079
It was weird doing a case about
someone named Tina. But I need

1090
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:53.279
to give credit to my main source, which is a book called Fatal Honeymoon

1091
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:58.399
Dive by Lindsay Simpson and Jennifer Cook. They did a fabulous job, and

1092
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:00.520
you and I both have read someone
these books at this point and a lot

1093
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:04.840
of time. I mean there it's
hard not to pick aside, and they

1094
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:09.640
really did a great job being objective
throughout the book and letting the reader make

1095
01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.600
up their mind, because at times
I was like, oh, he's guilty

1096
01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:15.319
as sin, and the other times, you know, I could see I

1097
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:18.680
mean, he was guilty of something, but I don't. I don't think

1098
01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:23.159
it was an intentional murder. So
please tell me if you feel otherwise.

1099
01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:26.439
I'd be curious to hear your argument, but I just I just don't see

1100
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:30.479
the evidence. And also, there
was a great podcast I listened to from

1101
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:36.159
case File on this case and it
was I don't know if I'd listened to

1102
01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:41.800
a case file before, but it's
very it's a little dry, but it's

1103
01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:45.680
just very fact driven and they did
a really good job. So listen to

1104
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:50.000
that if you're still interested. Cool
man, I'm a little worn out.

1105
01:19:50.359 --> 01:19:55.000
Yeah, let's take the rest of
the day off. Well it's it's yeah,

1106
01:19:55.159 --> 01:20:00.560
seventh, I'm done. Stick a
work in me. Yeah. So

1107
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:06.960
this week I went and I did
a deep dive into our podcast host and

1108
01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.359
I'd never really looked to see.
I mean, I know people from all

1109
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:15.520
over a listening, but I can
confirm that every state has listened. That's

1110
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:18.920
pretty cool. And Hi, I
texted you what the it was over one

1111
01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:21.640
hundred countries have listened to us.
Yeah, well, I didn't know how

1112
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:25.640
many countries there were in the world, so I actually looked it up.

1113
01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:27.720
But I think there's one hundred and
ninety five. And I think you said

1114
01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:31.560
one hundred and fifteen from one hundred
and fifteen countries, which is pretty amazing.

1115
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:35.159
I mean, we're just we can't
say it enough, but we are

1116
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:39.239
so grateful. And it's not like
everyone in the like there was thousands of

1117
01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:42.920
listens in the Philippines. They're a
handful, yeah, but at a lot

1118
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.720
of people in Australia, yeah,
listening to us. So yeah, one

1119
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:49.520
of our bigger downlets comes from Australia. So I hope we did you justice

1120
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:57.399
Australia. I know that this case
was the Australian people were pretty angry about

1121
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:01.960
Gabe and they really did think he
was he was guilty interest of murder.

1122
01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:06.520
So yeah, and I did want
to say too. We won't be releasing

1123
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:09.760
this for a couple of weeks,
but we wanted to. I'm thinking about

1124
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:13.199
our friends in Hawaii. Oh yeah, the fires there, Gosh, it's

1125
01:21:13.239 --> 01:21:15.439
it's just devastating. It's such a
beautiful place, and we're thinking about you

1126
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:21.840
and pulling for you, and yeah, it's horrible. Yeah, well thanks

1127
01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:26.319
for listening. Yeah, great job
on the case. Thanks for going through

1128
01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:30.199
it and sweating. Thank you everybody
for listening. We do truly appreciate all

1129
01:21:30.239 --> 01:22:03.159
of our listeners. Well, until
next time, don't kill your your husband. Be the